Re: Seeing Eye app

[Richard Turner]

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> I keep trying to renue my app subscription. It says I’ve bought it, but will 
> keep asking me to purchase when I open the app. Help!
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Seeing Eye app

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
I keep trying to renue my app subscription. It says I’ve bought it, but will 
keep asking me to purchase when I open the app. Help!
Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

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Seeing Eye app on sale

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Hi Group,

I received this in an email and I hope it is true.  See the email below.

 

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From: Kim Casey k...@senderogroup.com

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2015 06:09:58 -0800

Subject: One-day iPhone GPS super-sale!

To: Kim Casey k...@senderogroup.com

 

It's finally here!  To celebrate the 6th birthday of Mike May's Seeing Eye
dog, Tank, Sendero is having a one-day sale on the one-year subscriptions
for Seeing Eye GPS and RNIB Navigator apps today.  For today only, pay

$39.99 for a one-year subscription!

 

 

 

North American customers can purchase Seeing Eye GPS at:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/seeing-eye-gps/id668624446?mt=8#

 

 

 

U.K. and Ireland customers can purchase RNIB Navigator at:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/rnib-navigator/id783866151?mt=8

Please be advised that should you have urgent matters pertaining to the
health and or quality of work of your Guide dog, you should contact the
Guiding Eyes training department as soon as possible.  Training staff will
be able to offer professional support.

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Re: ?: The Jaw Bone BT Headset or the After Shock BT Headsets for the Seeing Eye App or Use With Other GPS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 

I changed the subject line, but it is related to which headset would be a 
better fit with the Seeing Eye GPS or other GPS apps used on the iOS devices. 
Unfortunately, I have misplaced my After Shock headsets, so I am not sure if I 
will replace them or look at the Jaw Bone BT headset. Can anyone delineate the 
differences between the two and why they would purchase one over the other? 

thanks in advance. 

Cheers, 
Eileen 
On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

 I haven't. I do have the aftershocks blue hed set. from Mich. 
 - Original Message -
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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:38 AM
 Subject: Re: what is a good vo accessible ear peace to use with the seeing 
 eye gps app?
 
 Have you tried the jaw bone bluetooth headset?
 On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
 
 Hi all. I just downloaded the seeing eye gps app. I am wondering what is a 
 good vo accessible blue tooth ear peace that would be good to use with this 
 app? Many thanks for any recommendations that any one can give me. from Mich.
 
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Re: ?: The Jaw Bone BT Headset or the After Shock BT Headsets for the Seeing Eye App or Use With Other GPS

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi.

For this purpose, I would personally choose one of the Aftershokz models 
for the simple reason that the Jawbone BT headset still goes into one 
ear, thereby blocking out some sound. The Aftershokz do not interfere 
with your hearing at all.




Best Regards,

Rick alfaro

On 1/8/2014 5:17 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote:

Hello,

I changed the subject line, but it is related to which headset would be
a better fit with the Seeing Eye GPS or other GPS apps used on the iOS
devices. Unfortunately, I have misplaced my After Shock headsets, so I
am not sure if I will replace them or look at the Jaw Bone BT headset.
Can anyone delineate the differences between the two and why they would
purchase one over the other?

thanks in advance.

Cheers,
Eileen
On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca
mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:


I haven't. I do have the aftershocks blue hed set. from Mich.

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the seeing eye gps app?

Have you tried the jaw bone bluetooth headset?
On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca
mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:


Hi all. I just downloaded the seeing eye gps app. I am wondering
what is a good vo accessible blue tooth ear peace that would be
good to use with this app? Many thanks for any recommendations
that any one can give me. from Mich.

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Re: ?: The Jaw Bone BT Headset or the After Shock BT Headsets for the Seeing Eye App or Use With Other GPS

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hi Rick, 

Thanks for the prompt response. I will definitely replace the After Shocks 
after I do a thorough search within the home. I still think they are around 
somewhere, but that's always my dilemma  in finding something that I have 
misplaced. *Smile* 

Eileen 
On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:13 PM, Rick Alfaro rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi.
 
 For this purpose, I would personally choose one of the Aftershokz models for 
 the simple reason that the Jawbone BT headset still goes into one ear, 
 thereby blocking out some sound. The Aftershokz do not interfere with your 
 hearing at all.
 
 
 
 Best Regards,
 
 Rick alfaro
 
 On 1/8/2014 5:17 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I changed the subject line, but it is related to which headset would be
 a better fit with the Seeing Eye GPS or other GPS apps used on the iOS
 devices. Unfortunately, I have misplaced my After Shock headsets, so I
 am not sure if I will replace them or look at the Jaw Bone BT headset.
 Can anyone delineate the differences between the two and why they would
 purchase one over the other?
 
 thanks in advance.
 
 Cheers,
 Eileen
 On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca
 mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
 
 I haven't. I do have the aftershocks blue hed set. from Mich.
 
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*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Sent:*Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:38 AM
*Subject:*Re: what is a good vo accessible ear peace to use with
the seeing eye gps app?
 
Have you tried the jaw bone bluetooth headset?
On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca
mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
 
Hi all. I just downloaded the seeing eye gps app. I am wondering
what is a good vo accessible blue tooth ear peace that would be
good to use with this app? Many thanks for any recommendations
that any one can give me. from Mich.
 
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Re: The Jaw Bone BT Headset or the After Shock BT Headsets for the Seeing Eye App or Use With Other GPS

[Andy Baracco]

The Aftershokz are bone conduction so the pieces do not sit on or go into your 
ears. This means that you can hear things like traffic sounds along with your 
GPS, or whatever is coming through the headset. Don’t know if the Jawbones are 
bone conduction.

Andy

From: Eileen Misrahi 
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: ?: The Jaw Bone BT Headset or the After Shock BT Headsets for the 
Seeing Eye App or Use With Other GPS
Hello,  

I changed the subject line, but it is related to which headset would be a 
better fit with the Seeing Eye GPS or other GPS apps used on the iOS devices. 
Unfortunately, I have misplaced my After Shock headsets, so I am not sure if I 
will replace them or look at the Jaw Bone BT headset. Can anyone delineate the 
differences between the two and why they would purchase one over the other? 

thanks in advance. 

Cheers, 
Eileen 

On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:


  I haven't. I do have the aftershocks blue hed set. from Mich. 
- Original Message -
From: isaac
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: what is a good vo accessible ear peace to use with the seeing 
eye gps app?

Have you tried the jaw bone bluetooth headset?

On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:55 AM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:


  Hi all. I just downloaded the seeing eye gps app. I am wondering what is 
a good vo accessible blue tooth ear peace that would be good to use with this 
app? Many thanks for any recommendations that any one can give me. from Mich.

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Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall

[Dan Rossi]

Interior navigation is a holy grail of navigation.  these days.  I
have had many conversations with professors here at the university
about this, and it is currently not achievable without very large
infrastructure modifications to buildings.  GPS just does not work in
doors.  Cell is not good enough for triangulation.  Even indoor
broadcasting is problematic because of multipathing, radio waves
bounce all over the place and their arrival time to your receiver can
actually be quite off from their actual distance to you.

Bluetooth is OK for basic broadcasting of data, say from a specific
store, but still makes for issues with navigation.  For example, you
could walk into a mall, have the mall load it's map onto your device,
then bluetooth transmitters could tell your device what store you are
passing close to, and then an app on your device would corelate that
with the internal map and begin some form of path planning.

This is great, but it again requires a lot of infrastructure changes.
Installation and maintenance of all the transmitters, developing and
maintaining accurate maps and data for the transmitters, and
maintenance of the transmitters.  None of this is impossible, nor
particularly difficult, we just haven't reached a point where wide
spread adoption of this is valuable enough to the stake holders for it
to get any traction.

I expect it is coming, and it has been demonstrated by Google already,
but it will be a while before it is deployed on any scale.

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Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall

[Donna]

Have you tried using the app Places Around? Maybe it will do what you are 
wanting. I used this app this summer while on vacation. It was able to tell me 
that a particular place was within feet of me. I haven't tried it in a mall, 
actually never thought of doing so.The app is Free, so why not give it a 
try.

Donna


  I would like to use the Seeing Eye app to identify stores I am walking 
past in a mall, but I can't figure out how to get this info. I was using it 
inside a mall today, and it told me a couple of things, like that Starbucks was 
nearby, but it was mostly telling me about streets and intersections near the 
mall. What settings do I need to make sure the app is set to in order to get it 
to identify the stores inside? Is it part of the location wand, or is it a 
particular setting, or some combination of things?

  Thanks,
  Sarah



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RE: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall

[Kevin Minor]

Hi Sieghard.

 

You're probably right about things like stores in a mall not being in some
GPS apps, but these apps use more than the satellites to get their position.
They use triangulation from several cell towers to get a more accurate
position.  This is why you can get to within ten feet or so to a location in
a place like an airport, where the satellites may be very difficult to
receive.  The Seeing Eye app does this, and I'm sure other GPS apps do the
same thing as well.

 

What I think will happen is malls will start producing apps, and when you
walk by a store it will vibrate your phone and alert you of items for sale
at the store, or perhaps even producing a coupon for the store on the
screen.  To get these apps accessible to us VO users, we'll need to tell the
mall owners of our needs.  This could benefit us as blind users in a couple
of ways.  First, it gives us easier travel in a mall.  The second is people
could realize that blind people can be quite independent with the right
tools.

 

Just my thoughts.

 

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall

[Christopher Chaltain]

They also use triangulation to known wifi hot spots, which is why you 
get that message that your location accuracy will decrease if you turn 
off wifi.



On 11/07/2013 12:26 PM, Kevin Minor wrote:


Hi Sieghard.

You're probably right about things like stores in a mall not being in 
some GPS apps, but these apps use more than the satellites to get 
their position. They use triangulation from several cell towers to get 
a more accurate position.  This is why you can get to within ten feet 
or so to a location in a place like an airport, where the satellites 
may be very difficult to receive.  The Seeing Eye app does this, and 
I'm sure other GPS apps do the same thing as well.


What I think will happen is malls will start producing apps, and when 
you walk by a store it will vibrate your phone and alert you of items 
for sale at the store, or perhaps even producing a coupon for the 
store on the screen.  To get these apps accessible to us VO users, 
we'll need to tell the mall owners of our needs.  This could benefit 
us as blind users in a couple of ways.  First, it gives us easier 
travel in a mall.  The second is people could realize that blind 
people can be quite independent with the right tools.


Just my thoughts.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

kmi...@windstream.net

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Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall

[David Chittenden]

GPS in conjunction with cell tower triangulation can boost recognition up to 10 
feet on a very good day with strong GPS reception. That said, Cell tower signal 
alone can give an accuracy of approximately 3 miles. When in the coverage area 
of two towers, the accuracy is between one quarter and half a mile.

For accuracy of a few feet that one would need inside a mall, one would need to 
be receiving signals from between 15 and 20 location-based transmitters. The UK 
is experimenting with this for guiding large ships through the extremely 
crowded English Channel.

Stores are experimenting with BlueTooth radio transmission technologies for 
alerting shoppers to specials they might like whilst shopping in different 
areas of the store. These transmissions should also work to help blind people 
navigate malls and such, but the concepts are still in development.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 8 Nov 2013, at 7:26, Kevin Minor kmi...@windstream.net wrote:
 
 Hi Sieghard.
  
 You’re probably right about things like stores in a mall not being in some 
 GPS apps, but these apps use more than the satellites to get their position.  
 They use triangulation from several cell towers to get a more accurate 
 position.  This is why you can get to within ten feet or so to a location in 
 a place like an airport, where the satellites may be very difficult to 
 receive.  The Seeing Eye app does this, and I’m sure other GPS apps do the 
 same thing as well.
  
 What I think will happen is malls will start producing apps, and when you 
 walk by a store it will vibrate your phone and alert you of items for sale at 
 the store, or perhaps even producing a coupon for the store on the screen.  
 To get these apps accessible to us VO users, we’ll need to tell the mall 
 owners of our needs.  This could benefit us as blind users in a couple of 
 ways.  First, it gives us easier travel in a mall.  The second is people 
 could realize that blind people can be quite independent with the right tools.
  
 Just my thoughts.
  
 Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall

[Alan Paganelli]

GPS can  locate you with in a 30 foot circle with you at it's center.  The 
United States government controls that.  They keep it that way for good reasons 
which I won't go in to here.  I'm just giving you an over view of how GPS works 
so that you'll better understand.

As was already pointed out, inside a building the GPS signals are very week.  
The stores in a mall are very close together and even if you should by some 
chance get a good clear signal, it still won't do you any good.

Here's why.  GPS or ground positioning system can only use latitude and 
longitude signals.  Where those two points meet is where your standing.  That 
raw data isn't going to do you much good in the real world.  A sailor at sea 
who knows how to shoot a star  with a sexton and hasn't forgot totally how to 
use one could figure out where he and his ship is.  Today, they have computers 
to do that for them and give a constant reading.

Meanwhile back in the real world, a GPS system locates you using internal or 
external maps.  The data can be right or wrong and those of us who have been 
using GPS for the blind for many years have come to know that there can be 
gotchas in the data base your using.  For example, the map data may say your at 
point X when in reality, your nowhere anywhere near that place or point.  As 
they use to say in computer programming, garbage in, garbage out.  In other 
words, the GPS can only report to you what's in it's database.

With week signals inside a mall and no database to refer to, your GPS is 
useless even if it did get a good clean signal.  There are other ways it can be 
done but not with GPS alone.
---

Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2013!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  Move 
out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:00 PM
  Subject: RE: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall


  Hi Sarah,

   

  I don't think there is a single GPS app which will do this. The GPS signal is 
very weak to begin with and while modern receivers are very good and often 
might pick up the signal inside a building, the accuracy will suffer especially 
given all the interference of concrete, steel etc.

   

  Another thing is that I doubt the stores in a mall are mapped.

   

  I think we'll have to wait until malls map their buildings and put other 
technologies like RFID or Bluetooth beacons in place and then provide apps 
which can access this information before we get useful results inside malls or 
other large buildings. Give it 10 years and we probably look back and shake our 
heads in wonderment why this didn't exist before.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard


  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sarah Clark
  Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:12 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall

   

  I would like to use the Seeing Eye app to identify stores I am walking 
past in a mall, but I can't figure out how to get this info. I was using it 
inside a mall today, and it told me a couple of things, like that Starbucks was 
nearby, but it was mostly telling me about streets and intersections near the 
mall. What settings do I need to make sure the app is set to in order to get it 
to identify the stores inside? Is it part of the location wand, or is it a 
particular setting, or some combination of things?

   

  Thanks,

  Sarah

   

   

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Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall

[David Chittenden]

A few corrections:

GPS stands for global positioning system
GPS signal is very weak outside. Inside a building, save when one is by a 
window, or sometimes near a skylight, where enough signals can get through, the 
GPS signal is nonexistent.
GPS can locate you somewhere within a 10 to 30 feet circle, but not know 
exactly where in that circle you are actually located, only on a clear day with 
nothing blocking the line of sight to the satellites. In a city with tall 
buildings, in mountains, in canyons, in woods, and so forth, the accuracy will 
almost never be that good. This is because the computer triangulates one's 
location based on the time stamp of the signal and knowing which satellite is 
broadcasting the signal. The computer determines one's approximate location by 
the time differences between all the signals reaching the receiver. Oh, and at 
least four or five different signals are necessary in order to place one's 
location within a mile or so.
On a very overcast day, whilst receiving 7 signals (there are apps that will 
display how many signals are being received), I had an accuracy of 7000 feet. 
Yes, the app kept placing me at locations in a few different towns in the area, 
and changed the location every 20 seconds or so.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 8 Nov 2013, at 11:28, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 GPS can  locate you with in a 30 foot circle with you at it's center.  The 
 United States government controls that.  They keep it that way for good 
 reasons which I won't go in to here.  I'm just giving you an over view of how 
 GPS works so that you'll better understand.
  
 As was already pointed out, inside a building the GPS signals are very week.  
 The stores in a mall are very close together and even if you should by some 
 chance get a good clear signal, it still won't do you any good.
  
 Here's why.  GPS or ground positioning system can only use latitude and 
 longitude signals.  Where those two points meet is where your standing.  That 
 raw data isn't going to do you much good in the real world.  A sailor at sea 
 who knows how to shoot a star  with a sexton and hasn't forgot totally how to 
 use one could figure out where he and his ship is.  Today, they have 
 computers to do that for them and give a constant reading.
  
 Meanwhile back in the real world, a GPS system locates you using internal or 
 external maps.  The data can be right or wrong and those of us who have been 
 using GPS for the blind for many years have come to know that there can be 
 gotchas in the data base your using.  For example, the map data may say your 
 at point X when in reality, your nowhere anywhere near that place or point.  
 As they use to say in computer programming, garbage in, garbage out.  In 
 other words, the GPS can only report to you what's in it's database.
  
 With week signals inside a mall and no database to refer to, your GPS is 
 useless even if it did get a good clean signal.  There are other ways it can 
 be done but not with GPS alone.
 ---
  
 Regards,
  
 Alan
  
 Go Chicago Bears in 2013!
  
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!  
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
  
 Please click on: 
 http://www.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 - Original Message -
 From: Sieghard Weitzel
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 11:00 PM
 Subject: RE: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
 
 Hi Sarah,
  
 I don’t think there is a single GPS app which will do this. The GPS signal is 
 very weak to begin with and while modern receivers are very good and often 
 might pick up the signal inside a building, the accuracy will suffer 
 especially given all the interference of concrete, steel etc.
  
 Another thing is that I doubt the stores in a mall are mapped.
  
 I think we’ll have to wait until malls map their buildings and put other 
 technologies like RFID or Bluetooth beacons in place and then provide apps 
 which can access this information before we get useful results inside malls 
 or other large buildings. Give it 10 years and we probably look back and 
 shake our heads in wonderment why this didn’t exist before.
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Sarah Clark
 Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:12 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
  
 I would like to use the Seeing Eye app to identify stores I am walking 
 past in a mall, but I can't figure out how to get this info. I was using it 
 inside a mall today, and it told me a couple

Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall

[Sarah Clark]

I would like to use the Seeing Eye app to identify stores I am walking past 
in a mall, but I can't figure out how to get this info. I was using it inside a 
mall today, and it told me a couple of things, like that Starbucks was nearby, 
but it was mostly telling me about streets and intersections near the mall. 
What settings do I need to make sure the app is set to in order to get it to 
identify the stores inside? Is it part of the location wand, or is it a 
particular setting, or some combination of things?

Thanks,
Sarah

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Re: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall

[Ari Moisio]

Hi

I cannot remember if Seeing eue use Foursquare data. If not
you might get better results with Blindsquare.



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Subject: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 22:12:11 -0800
From: Sarah Clark sa...@sarahaclark.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

   I would like to use the Seeing Eye app to identify stores I am walking past 
in a mall, but I can't figure out how to get this info. I was using it inside a 
mall today, and it told me a couple of things, like that Starbucks was nearby, 
but it was mostly telling me about streets and intersections near the mall. 
What settings do I need to make sure the app is set to in order to get it to 
identify the stores inside? Is it part of the location wand, or is it a 
particular setting, or some combination of things?

Thanks,
Sarah




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RE: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Sarah,

 

I don't think there is a single GPS app which will do this. The GPS signal
is very weak to begin with and while modern receivers are very good and
often might pick up the signal inside a building, the accuracy will suffer
especially given all the interference of concrete, steel etc.

 

Another thing is that I doubt the stores in a mall are mapped.

 

I think we'll have to wait until malls map their buildings and put other
technologies like RFID or Bluetooth beacons in place and then provide apps
which can access this information before we get useful results inside malls
or other large buildings. Give it 10 years and we probably look back and
shake our heads in wonderment why this didn't exist before.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sarah Clark
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2013 10:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Using the Seeing Eye App in a Mall

 

I would like to use the Seeing Eye app to identify stores I am walking
past in a mall, but I can't figure out how to get this info. I was using it
inside a mall today, and it told me a couple of things, like that Starbucks
was nearby, but it was mostly telling me about streets and intersections
near the mall. What settings do I need to make sure the app is set to in
order to get it to identify the stores inside? Is it part of the location
wand, or is it a particular setting, or some combination of things?

 

Thanks,

Sarah

 

 

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RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app

[AppleGourmet]

Hi Sieghard! Following your suggestion, I downloaded the Oahu Revealed app. 
Surprise surprise surprise! It contains a full map of the island and they say  
that it will work wonderfully with GPS! Do you think that I would still beat 
Navigon? Have you any experience with this  application and Navigation with 
these maps?  
Looking forward to this evening when the new iPhones will be announced! Yes it 
would be  evening where I am yeah exactly 12 1/2 hours ahead!! Have 
fun! :-)  xx 

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RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app

[AppleGourmet]

Thanks sieghard! BTW did you get any response from the post in the podcast at T 
I I?  

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RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Avnish,

I don't know how useful the maps in the Oahu Revealed apps would be for  a
Voiceover user. As far as I know they don't include turn-by-turn voice
announcements but you just had to explore the app to see if they are of any
use for you with Voiceover. I know the Maui Revealed app had I think 4
unlabelled buttons right on the opening screen. It was easy however to
figure out where they took you and to use the custom label gesture (Double
Tap and Hold) to label the buttons.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Subject: RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app

Hi Sieghard! Following your suggestion, I downloaded the Oahu Revealed app.
Surprise surprise surprise! It contains a full map of the island and they
say  that it will work wonderfully with GPS! Do you think that I would still
beat Navigon? Have you any experience with this  application and Navigation
with these maps?  
Looking forward to this evening when the new iPhones will be announced! Yes
it would be  evening where I am yeah exactly 12 1/2 hours ahead!! Have fun!
:-)  xx 

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question about returning Seeing Eye app

[Shannon Dyer]

Hello, all.

I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to get a refund for the Seeing Eye 
subscription. I've had it for about a month, and it simply doesn't meet my 
needs. Blindsquare performs much better in the area in which I live, and, 
frankly, $70 is quite a bit to have spent on something that doesn't work for me.

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate the information.

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RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Shannon,

I think this would be something you have to take up with Sendero to see if
they are willing to give you a partial refund. Apple states that all sales
are final when it comes to app purchases and the only way where they make an
exception is if you buy an app which turns out not to be accessible. You can
write to iTunes support and explain the circumstances and in such a case
they might give you a refund. Of course you can't make the point that the
Seeing Eye app is not accessible since it is specifically developed for
Voiceover users so it's probably up to Sendero. Keep in mind that Sendero
gets paid by Apple for the subscriptions which have sold, but Apple does
keep 30%, so if you bought a one-year subscription for $70, Sendero gets $49
of that.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: question about returning Seeing Eye app

Hello, all.

I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to get a refund for the Seeing Eye
subscription. I've had it for about a month, and it simply doesn't meet my
needs. Blindsquare performs much better in the area in which I live, and,
frankly, $70 is quite a bit to have spent on something that doesn't work for
me.

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate the information.

Shannon

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Re: question about returning Seeing Eye app

[Joseph FreeTech]

Hi,

I think a phone call and a good explanation would suffice. There should also 
be some relevant information in the terms of agreement and such. Hopefully 
you will post your results as there might be some who will want this 
information. Smile.

Joseph

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Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:32 AM
Subject: question about returning Seeing Eye app


Hello, all.

I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to get a refund for the Seeing Eye 
subscription. I've had it for about a month, and it simply doesn't meet my 
needs. Blindsquare performs much better in the area in which I live, and, 
frankly, $70 is quite a bit to have spent on something that doesn't work for 
me.

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate the information.

Shannon

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RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app

[Scott Duck]

Hi Shannon,
I do sympathize but I don't think that you could get a refund simply because
it doesn't meet your needs well or because you have another app that meets
your needs better.  I think the only situation in which you could get a
refund would be if it did not work with Voice Over or if it just wouldn't
run on your device for some reason.  If you are able to use it OK then I
would say that you are just stuck with it.
Thanks,
Scott Duck


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Subject: question about returning Seeing Eye app

Hello, all.

I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to get a refund for the Seeing Eye
subscription. I've had it for about a month, and it simply doesn't meet my
needs. Blindsquare performs much better in the area in which I live, and,
frankly, $70 is quite a bit to have spent on something that doesn't work for
me.

If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate the information.

Shannon

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Re: question about returning Seeing Eye app

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Hi! I needed to buy that!! Is there anyway that you could transfer the license 
to me? I could pay you for it!
Thank you (Voice Converted to Text via iPhone;Excuse typos) 

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Re: question about returning Seeing Eye app

[Shannon Dyer]

Thank you for this explanation. I will definitely call Sendero, and see if I 
can work something out with them.

Shannon
On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Shannon,
 
 I think this would be something you have to take up with Sendero to see if
 they are willing to give you a partial refund. Apple states that all sales
 are final when it comes to app purchases and the only way where they make an
 exception is if you buy an app which turns out not to be accessible. You can
 write to iTunes support and explain the circumstances and in such a case
 they might give you a refund. Of course you can't make the point that the
 Seeing Eye app is not accessible since it is specifically developed for
 Voiceover users so it's probably up to Sendero. Keep in mind that Sendero
 gets paid by Apple for the subscriptions which have sold, but Apple does
 keep 30%, so if you bought a one-year subscription for $70, Sendero gets $49
 of that.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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 Of Shannon Dyer
 Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 7:33 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: question about returning Seeing Eye app
 
 Hello, all.
 
 I'm wondering if anyone knows of a way to get a refund for the Seeing Eye
 subscription. I've had it for about a month, and it simply doesn't meet my
 needs. Blindsquare performs much better in the area in which I live, and,
 frankly, $70 is quite a bit to have spent on something that doesn't work for
 me.
 
 If anyone has any suggestions, I'd appreciate the information.
 
 Shannon
 
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Re: question about returning Seeing Eye app

[Shannon Dyer]

I have no idea if there's a way to transfer the license. Just from looking at 
the app, it doesn't seem so, but I can check around on Sendero's site and let 
you know.

Shannon
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RE: question about returning Seeing Eye app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Avnish and Shannon,

You cannot transfer an app you bought to somebody else, the app is tied to
your Apple Id. Sendero doesn't really have any influence here since apps are
purchasedvia the App Store.

Avnish, I would not recommend the Seeing Eye app for your trip to Hawaii.
You are mostly concerned about having a GPS for the vehicle and Navigon will
serve you much better. First of all it is less money and secondly you can
download the maps and use the app without having a data connection if
necessary. Lastly, keep in mind that any of the Hawaiian islands are quite
small and it is not so difficult to find your way around even if your friend
who is driving just looks at a printed map. These are just my thoughts.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Subject: Re: question about returning Seeing Eye app

I have no idea if there's a way to transfer the license. Just from looking
at the app, it doesn't seem so, but I can check around on Sendero's site and
let you know.

Shannon
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How do I purchase a subscription to the seeing eye app?

[Ann Byrne]

My credit card had expired, so I updated it.  Now when I try to 
purchase a subscription to the Seeing Eye GPS app on my iPhone, I get 
a message that the zip code i entered doesn't match the one on its 
records.  I get a charge pending, but no subscription.  If I presss 
the continue button to update again, I get another pending 
subscription.  Eventually they all go away--after two or three 
days--but I still can't purchase a subscription.


where do I go from here?

thanks,

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Re: How do I purchase a subscription to the seeing eye app?

[Joseph FreeTech]

Hi

I would start at a quick review of my Apple account data. It is probably 
likely that there is a mistake in how the information was 
entered--expiration date, CRV number, etc.

I of course do not know for sure since I've not experienced it, but it might 
be advisable not to continue trying to purchase the item as multiple 
attempts might be caught as attempted fraud which means a freeze on your 
purchase ability and those headache calls to customer support. :)

Joseph

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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:21 AM
Subject: How do I purchase a subscription to the seeing eye app?


My credit card had expired, so I updated it.  Now when I try to
purchase a subscription to the Seeing Eye GPS app on my iPhone, I get
a message that the zip code i entered doesn't match the one on its
records.  I get a charge pending, but no subscription.  If I presss
the continue button to update again, I get another pending
subscription.  Eventually they all go away--after two or three
days--but I still can't purchase a subscription.

where do I go from here?

thanks,

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Re: Updated Seeing Eye app?

[Andy Baracco]

There was an issue, and apparently it was temporarily pulled.

Andy

From: Tom Frank 
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Subject: Updated Seeing Eye app?

Tom Frank
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I could swear that I saw and upgrade to Seeing Eye Version 1.1 in the app 
store. I tried to update and I'm still at version 1.0. Am I blind or something? 
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Updated Seeing Eye app?

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RE: Updated Seeing Eye app?

[Richard Turner]

Apparently, there was a problem between Sendero submitting the app and Apple
posting it, so the 1.1 turned out to be 1.0.

Sendero has submitted it again as 1.1.1 and asked Apple to expedite the app
so it will hit the app store quickly, they hope.

 

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iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question, related to using seeing Eye app

[Sharon Ballantyne]

Hi All,

These questions likely apply to general phone use but I am asking in context of 
the new Seeing Eye app use.

I am trying to enter an address in the text field and it will not accept what I 
type and keeps changing my word to Breaker when the street name is Brealey. How 
do I make the auto correct not take over?

Also as Seeing Eye uses data, I am concerned about it running and using data 
when I may think it is off but may still be on. I have gone into app switcher 
doing double tap of the home button, doing the tap and hold until I hear 
editing apps when I can then do the split tap but voice over is not saying 
anything to tell me there is nothing left in the app switcher. I am sure it 
used to confirm the app switcher was empty.

Advice greatly appreciated.

Peace and Positivity

Sharon

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RE: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question, related to using seeing Eye app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Sharon,

I usually have the auto correct feature turned off because I don't like how
it works, but I just turned it on and used your example just in a notes app.
First time round it also put Breaker in, but then I tried again and as soon
as it suggested Break I deleted a character, the k, then continued with
ley and I got Brealey although Voiceover of course said it was
misspelled. Give it a try, I always thought the auto correct feature was
supposed to only put in the suggested word if what you hear is what you want
and you then press the spacebar. In this case this does not seem to be the
case because I very carefully typed Brealey and then pressed the spacebar
and it put in breaker. Only way around it was to let it suggest Breaker,
then to delete the ker and put ley in its place.

As for the Seeing Eye app running in the background and using data that
definitely is not going to be happening right now since the app does not
even work unless it has focus, e.g. if you exit the app by pressing the home
key or even just lock the screen, the app stops working. The latter was
something Mike pointed out as a major drawback and I agree. These GPS apps
use enough battery as is and even if you turn the brightness down to 0,
having the screen on all the time uses even more.

If I double tap and hold on an app in the app switcher until I hear Editing
Apps and then proceed to remove all apps by double tapping them, Voiceover
on my 4S will say App Switcher has no items after the last app is gone.
If I want to completely clear my app switcher, I usually touch the very
first app on the left, hold my finger on it and then split tap with another
finger. If you don't move the first finger, as the first app closes, the
next app slides over so to speak under that finger and you can just continue
to split tap as each app moves to the left into that position under your
finger. 


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharon Ballantyne
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question,
related to using seeing Eye app

Hi All,

These questions likely apply to general phone use but I am asking in context
of the new Seeing Eye app use.

I am trying to enter an address in the text field and it will not accept
what I type and keeps changing my word to Breaker when the street name is
Brealey. How do I make the auto correct not take over?

Also as Seeing Eye uses data, I am concerned about it running and using data
when I may think it is off but may still be on. I have gone into app
switcher doing double tap of the home button, doing the tap and hold until I
hear editing apps when I can then do the split tap but voice over is not
saying anything to tell me there is nothing left in the app switcher. I am
sure it used to confirm the app switcher was empty.

Advice greatly appreciated.

Peace and Positivity

Sharon

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Re: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question, related to using seeing Eye app

[Sharon Ballantyne]

Hi there,
Thank-you for your kindness in checking this spelling issue.

How do I disable the auto spelling correction feature?

Also do you know if I can check somewhere if I have somehow regarding the 
reality that my app switcher is no longer speaking that I have no items left in 
the app switcher? I must have done something but I have no idea what.

I really appreciate the clarification about the Seeing Eye app.

Peace and Positivity

Sharon
On 2013-08-01, at 11:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Sharon,
 
 I usually have the auto correct feature turned off because I don't like how
 it works, but I just turned it on and used your example just in a notes app.
 First time round it also put Breaker in, but then I tried again and as soon
 as it suggested Break I deleted a character, the k, then continued with
 ley and I got Brealey although Voiceover of course said it was
 misspelled. Give it a try, I always thought the auto correct feature was
 supposed to only put in the suggested word if what you hear is what you want
 and you then press the spacebar. In this case this does not seem to be the
 case because I very carefully typed Brealey and then pressed the spacebar
 and it put in breaker. Only way around it was to let it suggest Breaker,
 then to delete the ker and put ley in its place.
 
 As for the Seeing Eye app running in the background and using data that
 definitely is not going to be happening right now since the app does not
 even work unless it has focus, e.g. if you exit the app by pressing the home
 key or even just lock the screen, the app stops working. The latter was
 something Mike pointed out as a major drawback and I agree. These GPS apps
 use enough battery as is and even if you turn the brightness down to 0,
 having the screen on all the time uses even more.
 
 If I double tap and hold on an app in the app switcher until I hear Editing
 Apps and then proceed to remove all apps by double tapping them, Voiceover
 on my 4S will say App Switcher has no items after the last app is gone.
 If I want to completely clear my app switcher, I usually touch the very
 first app on the left, hold my finger on it and then split tap with another
 finger. If you don't move the first finger, as the first app closes, the
 next app slides over so to speak under that finger and you can just continue
 to split tap as each app moves to the left into that position under your
 finger. 
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Sharon Ballantyne
 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:59 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question,
 related to using seeing Eye app
 
 Hi All,
 
 These questions likely apply to general phone use but I am asking in context
 of the new Seeing Eye app use.
 
 I am trying to enter an address in the text field and it will not accept
 what I type and keeps changing my word to Breaker when the street name is
 Brealey. How do I make the auto correct not take over?
 
 Also as Seeing Eye uses data, I am concerned about it running and using data
 when I may think it is off but may still be on. I have gone into app
 switcher doing double tap of the home button, doing the tap and hold until I
 hear editing apps when I can then do the split tap but voice over is not
 saying anything to tell me there is nothing left in the app switcher. I am
 sure it used to confirm the app switcher was empty.
 
 Advice greatly appreciated.
 
 Peace and Positivity
 
 Sharon
 
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RE: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher question, related to using seeing Eye app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Sharon,

To disable auto correction, go here:

Settings, General, Keyboard. Second item is Auto Correction. Double tap on
it to turn it off.

Next to it is Check Spelling. I usually leave this on, this way Voiceover
will say if a word is misspelled, but it won't auto correct it.

As for your app switcher, I don't think there is anything you can do to not
make Voiceover say App Switcher has no items.
If I remove all apps and swipe left and right it just goes back and forth
between saying Dismiss App Switcher and App Switcher Has no items.
Can you explain what it says for you? Do you get the Dismiss app switcher
message? If so, what do you get if you do a single finger swipe right from
that?

If you want write to me directly since this might go into more details than
what most people want to read about. My email is siegh...@live.ca.


Regards,
Sieghard



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharon Ballantyne
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 8:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher
question, related to using seeing Eye app

Hi there,
Thank-you for your kindness in checking this spelling issue.

How do I disable the auto spelling correction feature?

Also do you know if I can check somewhere if I have somehow regarding the
reality that my app switcher is no longer speaking that I have no items left
in the app switcher? I must have done something but I have no idea what.

I really appreciate the clarification about the Seeing Eye app.

Peace and Positivity

Sharon
On 2013-08-01, at 11:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Sharon,
 
 I usually have the auto correct feature turned off because I don't 
 like how it works, but I just turned it on and used your example just in a
notes app.
 First time round it also put Breaker in, but then I tried again and as 
 soon as it suggested Break I deleted a character, the k, then 
 continued with ley and I got Brealey although Voiceover of course 
 said it was misspelled. Give it a try, I always thought the auto 
 correct feature was supposed to only put in the suggested word if what 
 you hear is what you want and you then press the spacebar. In this 
 case this does not seem to be the case because I very carefully typed 
 Brealey and then pressed the spacebar and it put in breaker. Only 
 way around it was to let it suggest Breaker, then to delete the ker
and put ley in its place.
 
 As for the Seeing Eye app running in the background and using data 
 that definitely is not going to be happening right now since the app 
 does not even work unless it has focus, e.g. if you exit the app by 
 pressing the home key or even just lock the screen, the app stops 
 working. The latter was something Mike pointed out as a major drawback 
 and I agree. These GPS apps use enough battery as is and even if you 
 turn the brightness down to 0, having the screen on all the time uses even
more.
 
 If I double tap and hold on an app in the app switcher until I hear 
 Editing Apps and then proceed to remove all apps by double tapping 
 them, Voiceover on my 4S will say App Switcher has no items after the
last app is gone.
 If I want to completely clear my app switcher, I usually touch the 
 very first app on the left, hold my finger on it and then split tap 
 with another finger. If you don't move the first finger, as the first 
 app closes, the next app slides over so to speak under that finger and 
 you can just continue to split tap as each app moves to the left into 
 that position under your finger.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne
 Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:59 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: iPhone 4 help for overriding spelling and app swotcher 
 question, related to using seeing Eye app
 
 Hi All,
 
 These questions likely apply to general phone use but I am asking in 
 context of the new Seeing Eye app use.
 
 I am trying to enter an address in the text field and it will not 
 accept what I type and keeps changing my word to Breaker when the 
 street name is Brealey. How do I make the auto correct not take over?
 
 Also as Seeing Eye uses data, I am concerned about it running and 
 using data when I may think it is off but may still be on. I have gone 
 into app switcher doing double tap of the home button, doing the tap 
 and hold until I hear editing apps when I can then do the split tap 
 but voice over is not saying anything to tell me there is nothing left 
 in the app switcher. I am sure it used to confirm the app switcher was
empty.
 
 Advice greatly appreciated.
 
 Peace and Positivity
 
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Seeing eye app is running again.

[Chuck Dean]

Hi all, 
I just tried the app and it seems to be working fine. 





Chuck (mobile)
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Re: Seeing eye app feature request

[Mary Otten]

Hi Shaf,

I trust you saw Alex Hall's info re how to sign up for the gps-talk list on 
freelists.

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Re: Seeing eye app feature request

[Joseph]

Hello,
I didn't see the info for the Seeing Eye GPS list. Would you please repost it 
here?
TIA.


Did you ever realize that the more you know, the more you realize you don't 
know?

My wood shop teacher from many years ago, gave me this little bit of knowledge. 
However, he never did tell me where he got it from.

Sent from my Sprint iPhone 4S.

On Jul 4, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Shaf,
 
 I trust you saw Alex Hall's info re how to sign up for the gps-talk list on 
 freelists.
 
 Mary
 
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RE: Reregistering Seeing Eye App

[Rose Combs]

My subscription button does nothing, absolutely nothing, I just keep seeing
the same screen of settings and I would like to be sure I registered, I was
using a Bluetooth keyboard and hit enter and the screen went away so I am
not sure.  

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Candie Stiles
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 7:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reregistering Seeing Eye App

 

To register the app go to settings and then subscription.

On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:24 PM, Sandy Finley finleykn...@gmail.com wrote:





Hi.  When I purchased this app I did not register it as I was kind of tired
and I thought I had read that I could register later.  Now I can't find
where to go back to register.  Does anyone know?

 

 

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Re: Seeing eye app feature request

[shaf]

Where can we find this list, Mary?


-Shaf

On 7/3/13, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 Robert,
 You may want to subscribe to the gps-talk list, where the Sendero folks
 monitor the traffic and make your feature suggestion there. I don't think
 they are on this list, so suggesting stuff here won't get to them first
 hand, I don't believe.

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Re: Seeing eye app feature request

[Richard Turner]

Here is the link to their mailing list:

http://senderogroup.com/social_media/email.htm

Richard
(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

On Jul 4, 2013, at 4:36 AM, shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Where can we find this list, Mary?
 
 
 -Shaf
 
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Reregistering Seeing Eye App

[Sandy Finley]

Hi.  When I purchased this app I did not register it as I was kind of tired
and I thought I had read that I could register later.  Now I can't find
where to go back to register.  Does anyone know?

 

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Re: Reregistering Seeing Eye App

[Candie Stiles]

To register the app go to settings and then subscription.
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 and I thought I had read that I could register later.  Now I can’t find where 
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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Kevin Barry]

Never count out the people who want something for free that costs others money.

At 09:46 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote:
I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even 
so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've 
already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's 
nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking 
advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. 
Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude 
for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't 
even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind.


Mary Anne Lynskey


On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year 
subscription.


Chuck (mobile)
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On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:


Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for
rights to use the app?

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Proverbs 18:10
The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and
is safe. (ESV)

Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you,
diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart
to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the
Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia,
480-547 AD)
Psalm 23:1-6
1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters;
3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's
sake.
4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no
evil;
for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my

head with oil, my cup overflows.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I
shall
dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.


Psalm 19:8-11


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.


Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my
neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took
a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it
seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk.
The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an
address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already
entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you
are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I
started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app
uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice
that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample
lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name
and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also,
as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by.
On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down
menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told
me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled
this button multi mode.
Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like
to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route,
as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker..
After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It
sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen hundred
dollars seven years ago, it doesn't seem too expensive.
If you figure it out, it comes to about twenty one cents a day for the one
year subscription. And only about thirteen cents a day with the three year
subscription, it seems reasonable to me.





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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Kevin Barry]

She expects everything for nothing.

At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote:
Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee 
in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that 
there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only 
a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out 
through the purchasers.
I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more 
than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars.
If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the 
taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a 
small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific 
portion of the population.


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? 
Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. 
I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's 
nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking 
advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. 
Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude 
for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't 
even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind.


 Mary Anne Lynskey


 On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a 
three-year subscription.


 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:

 Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to 
keep paying for

 rights to use the app?

 To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot
 Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's
 Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the 
subjectline.   of your truth

 and live according to your word.

 Verse of the Week
 Proverbs 18:10
 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs 
into it and

 is safe. (ESV)

 Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you,
 diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold 
you, a heart
 to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the 
power of the

 Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia,
 480-547 AD)
 Psalm 23:1-6
 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside 
still waters;
 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness 
for his name's

 sake.
 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no
 evil;
 for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; 
you anoint my


 head with oil, my cup overflows.
 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my 
life; and I

 shall
 dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.


 Psalm 19:8-11


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

 Of Chuck Dean
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.


 Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my
 neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one 
mile, and took

 a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it
 seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk.
 The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an
 address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already
 entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you
 are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I
 started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app
 uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have 
another voice
 that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and 
given with ample
 lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the 
street name
 and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street 
direction. Also,

 as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by.
 On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened 
a drop down
 menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. 
My wife told
 me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so 
I relabeled

 this button multi mode.
 Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few 
things I'd like
 to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a 
virtual route,

 as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker..
 After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It
 sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Kevin Barry]

I advise against using logic with irrational people.
Kevin

At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote:
So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the 
equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year 
subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance 
exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete.


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

 I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download 
the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss 
leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it 
isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use 
it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who 
asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich.

 - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


 And how much did you pay for that breeze?

 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:

 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I 
downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly 
it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went 
to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been 
deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one 
time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the 
cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then 
to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they 
want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that 
kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are 
other good alternatives. Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and 
support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find 
the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend 
that kind of money and not like it.


 Mary Anne

 On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Mary Anne,

 Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you 
even download

 and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero
 forced you to do so.

 You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or 
whatever it

 is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even
 though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This 
totally reminds me
 about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge 
$5 for their

 LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think
 was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I 
said, don't

 buy it if you don't want it.


 Take care,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

 Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? 
Even so, it's
 too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already 
written this
 as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a 
case of total
 greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and 
stealing money out
 of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! 
What a cocky
 attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are 
anyway? I couldn't

 even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my
 mind.

 Mary Anne Lynskey


 On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year
 subscription.

 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:

 Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep
 paying for rights to use the app?

 To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot
 Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's
 Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline.   of your
 truth
 and live according to your word.

 Verse of the Week
 Proverbs 18:10
 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into
 it and is safe. (ESV)

 Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you,
 diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you,
 a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the
 power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint
 Benedict of Nursia,
 480-547 AD)
 Psalm 23:1-6
 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still
 waters;
 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Sean Paul]

, the more people bitch  complain about its price the more likely the app 
is to go away. Which then wouldn't be right for those of us who have already 
paid the price for the app. If you don't like the price of the app, don't 
buy it. It to me is like a ford verses a BMW. Windows verses a Mac. Beer 
verses Champagne. Don't complain about the cost of the BMW, the Mac or 
Champagne if you don't want one, can't afford one, don't buy one. But, don't 
begrudge those who do want to buy one. Me personally, I'm pretty good at 
drinkin' beer. But, for those of you who want Champagne, I don't begrudge 
you. I would agree that it would be a great idea for them to have a trial 
period so that people can see what the app is like  what it would do for 
them. Rather than having to buy the whole thing up front. I'd also agree 
that perhaps a monthly cost would be a good idea for those who can't or 
don't want to  afford the whole cost up front. , yes as a matter of full 
disclosure, I have already purchased the app. Just one mans opinion, , yes, 
sometimes I do get paid for it.
- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 22:04
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in 
order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are 
not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, 
and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers.
I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than 
this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars.
If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it 
works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay 
for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population.


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:

I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, 
it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already 
written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a 
case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and 
stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is 
outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think 
they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly 
gave them one just to speak my mind.


Mary Anne Lynskey


On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year 
subscription.


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:

Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying 
for

rights to use the app?

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Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's
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and live according to your word”.

Verse of the Week
Proverbs 18:10
The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it 
and

is safe. (ESV)

Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you,
diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a 
heart
to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of 
the

Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia,
480-547 AD)
Psalm 23:1-6
1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still 
waters;
3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his 
name's

sake.
4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear 
no

evil;
for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you 
anoint my


head with oil, my cup overflows.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and 
I

shall
dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.


Psalm 19:8-11


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.


Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my
neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and 
took

a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it
seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile 
walk.

The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an
address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already
entered, so only the address number and street need

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Sean Paul]

Really? Are you serious? Stealing money out of blind peoples pockets? Greed?
Do you feel that the grocery store is stealing money out of your pocket? 
Your cell carrier? Any other business that you do business with?
Where do blind people get off thinking that they should be given everything 
for free? This is the sort of atitude that gives blind persons a bad name  
makes all of us look bad. I'll probably be chastized by the list owners or 
mods for my comments. However, that is the price I'm willing to pay to make 
my point.
No one owes you anything whether you're blind, sighted, left-handed, 
right-handed, etc. If you want it, you buy it, if you don't then don't. But, 
don't begrudge those of us who have nor the company for trying to make 
money.
- Original Message - 
From: Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 21:46
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so,
it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already
written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than
a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people
and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that
is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they
think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I
begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind.

Mary Anne Lynskey


On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year 
subscription.


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:

Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying 
for

rights to use the app?

To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot
Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's
Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline.   of your 
truth

and live according to your word”.

Verse of the Week
Proverbs 18:10
The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it 
and

is safe. (ESV)

Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you,
diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a 
heart
to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of 
the

Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia,
480-547 AD)
Psalm 23:1-6
1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still 
waters;
3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his 
name's

sake.
4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no
evil;
for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint 
my


head with oil, my cup overflows.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and 
I

shall
dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.


Psalm 19:8-11


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.


Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my
neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and 
took

a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it
seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk.
The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an
address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already
entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you
are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I
started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app
uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another 
voice
that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with 
ample
lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street 
name
and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. 
Also,

as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by.
On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop 
down
menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife 
told
me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I 
relabeled

this button multi mode.
Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd 
like
to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual 
route,

as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker..
After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It
sounds like a lot, but considering my old

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Fred Olver]

I know this list is for discussion of apps, but is it also for arguing about 
apps? Whether one decides it is to expensive, or works well or not is 
immaterial, the important thing is that it is out there and available, isn't 
it?


Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!



I advise against using logic with irrational people.
Kevin

At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote:
So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the 
equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year 
subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance 
exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete.


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

 I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download
the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to 
download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all 
since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with 
my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 
at this time it is on sail. from Mich.

 - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


 And how much did you pay for that breeze?

 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:


 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I
downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, 
i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating 
portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. 
By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon 
for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A 
few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but 
certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just 
don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and 
there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze 
and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the 
app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind 
of money and not like it.


 Mary Anne

 On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Mary Anne,

 Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you
even download
 and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like 
 Sendero

 forced you to do so.

 You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or
whatever it
 is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution 
 even

 though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This
totally reminds me
 about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge
$5 for their
 LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I 
 think

 was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I
said, don't
 buy it if you don't want it.


 Take care,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial?
Even so, it's
 too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already
written this
 as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a
case of total
 greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and
stealing money out
 of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous!
What a cocky
 attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are
anyway? I couldn't
 even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to 
 speak my

 mind.

 Mary Anne Lynskey


 On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year
 subscription.

 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com 
 wrote:


 Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep
 paying for rights to use the app?

 To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot
 Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe 
 Dan's
 Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline.   of 
 your

 truth
 and live according to your word.

 Verse of the Week
 Proverbs 18:10
 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into
 it and is safe. (ESV)

 Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Keith]

I thik a critique of the app is good, because just because something is 
available deosn't mean it will work for us all.  Take  glucometers for the 
blind diabetics out there.  Medicare will provide a talking glucometer 
free of charge.  But if you miss your reading the first time  it is 
announced, then you are SOL.  YOu have to retest or have a sighted person 
read the memory function.  Also, most the the free ones from Medicare are 
not blind friendly when it comes to setting them up.  Same can be said for 
aps for smart phones and I devices.


Just saying

Keith
- Original Message - 
From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


I know this list is for discussion of apps, but is it also for arguing 
about apps? Whether one decides it is to expensive, or works well or not is 
immaterial, the important thing is that it is out there and available, 
isn't it?


Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!



I advise against using logic with irrational people.
Kevin

At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote:
So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the 
equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year 
subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance 
exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete.


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

 I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download
the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to 
download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all 
since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with 
my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 
499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich.

 - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


 And how much did you pay for that breeze?

 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:


 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I
downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it 
was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the 
rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from 
my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had 
my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works 
just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is 
reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is 
highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they 
wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. 
Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not 
blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I 
would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it.


 Mary Anne

 On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Mary Anne,

 Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you
even download
 and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like 
 Sendero

 forced you to do so.

 You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or
whatever it
 is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution 
 even

 though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This
totally reminds me
 about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge
$5 for their
 LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I 
 think

 was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I
said, don't
 buy it if you don't want it.


 Take care,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial?
Even so, it's
 too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already
written this
 as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a
case of total
 greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and
stealing money out
 of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous!
What a cocky
 attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are
anyway? I couldn't
 even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to 
 speak my

 mind.

 Mary Anne Lynskey


 On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[James Homuth]

Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been said on
here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is pretty much
exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also don't charge you for
updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also doesn't charge you for map
updates. And if we're being honest, the Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay
for its access to, let's say, foursquare information, which is where it
pulls its points of interest from. So again, what are you paying for for
$70/year?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kevin Barry
Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

She expects everything for nothing.

At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote:
Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in 
order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there 
are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few 
thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through 
the purchasers.
I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more 
than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars.
If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, 
it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price 
to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the 
population.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:

  I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? 
 Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. 
 I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's 
 nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking 
 advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets.
 Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for 
 Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even 
 rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind.
 
  Mary Anne Lynskey
 
 
  On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
  At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a
 three-year subscription.
 
  Chuck (mobile)
  Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
  On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
  Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to
 keep paying for
  rights to use the app?
 
  To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot 
  Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe 
  Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the
 subjectline.   of your truth
  and live according to your word.
 
  Verse of the Week
  Proverbs 18:10
  The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs
 into it and
  is safe. (ESV)
 
  Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive 
  you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to 
  behold
 you, a heart
  to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the
 power of the
  Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of 
  Nursia,
  480-547 AD)
  Psalm 23:1-6
  1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
  2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside
 still waters;
  3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness
 for his name's
  sake.
  4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I 
  fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they 
  comfort me.
  5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
 you anoint my
 
  head with oil, my cup overflows.
  6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my
 life; and I
  shall
  dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
 
 
  Psalm 19:8-11
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
  Of Chuck Dean
  Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.
 
 
  Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my 
  neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one
 mile, and took
  a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS 
  apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one
mile walk.
  The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. 
  Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you 
  are in are already entered, so only the address number and street 
  need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you 
  will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point 
  of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most 
  of the announcements, but does have
 another voice
  that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[James Homuth]

Uh. The last update we pulled in for the Breeze in this house? That would be
yesterday. And yes, it was free. Now, granted to buy any other map, there's
an extra cost. So say you're going to England for a vacation and decide to
drag your GPS along. Except you won't be dragging the Seeing Eye app along,
as it doesn't even work over there.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: July 3, 2013 12:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Hi Mich,

There is nothing misleading since if you didn't know about the subscription
this simply means you didn't read the full app description and information.
Right after where it says the app is free, the release date and customer
ratings it says the following:

Top In-App Purchases
1. Three Year Subscription$129.99
2. One Year Subscription$69.99

OK, so I was remembering the old price for the Breeze, but even at $500 I
cam buy 4 3-year subscription renewals (4 times $130 = $520) which means 12
years of up-to-date coverage. When did you last get a map update for your
Trekker? Was it free?

OK, I know this is actively defending the Seeing Eye app which I am sure has
its shortcomings. But I really dislike it if people bash a product which
took an enormous amount of dedication and resources to develop simply
because it's not given to them for virtually nothing. How about all that
HUmanware greed, I mean how dare they charge the original adopters of the
Breeze $800 or $900 and now they are :giving it away for little more than
half that.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mich
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but
since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free
appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to
by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the
person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on
sail. from Mich.
- Original Message -
From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


And how much did you pay for that breeze?

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:

 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded 
 the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i 
 certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating 
 portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my 
 phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had 
 my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works 
 just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is 
 reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is 
 highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they 
 wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives.
 Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not 
 blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I 
 would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it.

 Mary Anne

 On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Mary Anne,

 Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even 
 download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not 
 like Sendero forced you to do so.

 You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or 
 whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable 
 solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app.
 This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when 
 Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, 
 the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous 
 and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't 
 want it.


 Take care,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even 
 so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've 
 already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's 
 nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking 
 advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets.
 Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude 
 for Sendero

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Robert Fenton]

With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye 
application does provide additional description of intersections and actually 
provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a 
fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're 
doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on 
the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some 
of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map 
updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:

 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are 
 free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part 
 the mystro did not run in the same price range.
 
 
 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My 
 Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades 
 when they happen.
 
 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a 
 valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they 
 already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.
 
 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have.
 
 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other 
 companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps 
 seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it 
 from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the
 Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 =
 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the
 price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How
 likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze
 without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map
 updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and
 I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3
 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses.
 
 Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any
 argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and
 everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did
 look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the
 app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did
 not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told
 them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the
 apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and
 have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now
 and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they
 want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of
 money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good
 alternatives. Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and support a company that
 is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because
 I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it.
 
 Mary Anne
 
 On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Mary Anne,
 
 Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even 
 download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not 
 like Sendero forced you to do so.
 
 You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or 
 whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable 
 solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. 
 This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero 
 dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the 
 outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and 
 while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it.
 
 
 Take care,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Robert Fenton]

I believe Navigon retails for about $59 most of the time. I agree though that 
you can get it on sale occasionally. I didn't hear any discussions about having 
free Demeau's and such when that application was released. How is this 
different?

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-03, at 4:16 AM, Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com wrote:

 Never count out the people who want something for free that costs others 
 money.
 
 At 09:46 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote:
 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's 
 too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this 
 as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total 
 greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out 
 of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky 
 attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't 
 even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my 
 mind.
 
 Mary Anne Lynskey
 
 
 On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year 
 subscription.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
 Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying 
 for
 rights to use the app?
 
 To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot
 Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's
 Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline.   of your truth
 and live according to your word.
 
 Verse of the Week
 Proverbs 18:10
 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and
 is safe. (ESV)
 
 Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you,
 diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a 
 heart
 to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the
 Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia,
 480-547 AD)
 Psalm 23:1-6
 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters;
 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's
 sake.
 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no
 evil;
 for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint 
 my
 
 head with oil, my cup overflows.
 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I
 shall
 dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
 
 
 Psalm 19:8-11
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Chuck Dean
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.
 
 
 Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my
 neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and 
 took
 a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it
 seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk.
 The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an
 address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already
 entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you
 are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I
 started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app
 uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice
 that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample
 lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name
 and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also,
 as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by.
 On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down
 menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife 
 told
 me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled
 this button multi mode.
 Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like
 to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route,
 as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker..
 After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It
 sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen hundred
 dollars seven years ago, it doesn't seem too expensive.
 If you figure it out, it comes to about twenty one cents a day for the one
 year subscription. And only about thirteen cents a day with the three year
 subscription, it seems reasonable to me.
 
 
 
 
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 --
 You received this message because you are subscribed

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Sean Paul]

Again, if you want to buy it, buy it, if you don't, don't. But, don't bitch 
 complain about its price. Pay it or don't. I don't go to the store  
complain to them about the prices which they charge. I either buy something 
while I'm there or I don't. , I don't run around complaining about folks 
stealing money from blind folks pockets. Or, that someone is being greedy. 
Again, if I want it I pay. , yes, this is coming from someone who considers 
himself a cheapskate. It's one thing to talk about what an app will or won't 
do. How it works or how it doesn't. Whether it is accessible or not. 
Complaining about its price is quite another.
- Original Message - 
From: James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 08:50
Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


Uh. The last update we pulled in for the Breeze in this house? That would 
be
yesterday. And yes, it was free. Now, granted to buy any other map, 
there's

an extra cost. So say you're going to England for a vacation and decide to
drag your GPS along. Except you won't be dragging the Seeing Eye app 
along,

as it doesn't even work over there.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: July 3, 2013 12:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Hi Mich,

There is nothing misleading since if you didn't know about the 
subscription
this simply means you didn't read the full app description and 
information.

Right after where it says the app is free, the release date and customer
ratings it says the following:

Top In-App Purchases
1. Three Year Subscription$129.99
2. One Year Subscription$69.99

OK, so I was remembering the old price for the Breeze, but even at $500 I
cam buy 4 3-year subscription renewals (4 times $130 = $520) which means 
12

years of up-to-date coverage. When did you last get a map update for your
Trekker? Was it free?

OK, I know this is actively defending the Seeing Eye app which I am sure 
has

its shortcomings. But I really dislike it if people bash a product which
took an enormous amount of dedication and resources to develop simply
because it's not given to them for virtually nothing. How about all that
HUmanware greed, I mean how dare they charge the original adopters of the
Breeze $800 or $900 and now they are :giving it away for little more 
than

half that.


Regards,
Sieghard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mich
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app 
but
since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a 
free

appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to
by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to 
the

person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on
sail. from Mich.
- Original Message -
From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


And how much did you pay for that breeze?

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:


You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded
the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i
certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating
portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my
phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had
my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works
just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is
reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is
highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they
wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives.
Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not
blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I
would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it.

Mary Anne

On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Mary Anne,

Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even
download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not
like Sendero forced you to do so.

You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or
whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable
solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app.
This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when
Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago,
the outrage some people felt then I

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Robert Fenton]

Having purchased the app already, I can confirm that this application pulls its 
points of interest from three sources and not just foursquare.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-03, at 6:41 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote:

 Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been said on
 here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is pretty much
 exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also don't charge you for
 updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also doesn't charge you for map
 updates. And if we're being honest, the Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay
 for its access to, let's say, foursquare information, which is where it
 pulls its points of interest from. So again, what are you paying for for
 $70/year?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Kevin Barry
 Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 She expects everything for nothing.
 
 At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote:
 Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in 
 order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there 
 are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few 
 thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through 
 the purchasers.
 I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more 
 than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars.
 If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, 
 it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price 
 to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the 
 population.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? 
 Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. 
 I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's 
 nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking 
 advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets.
 Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for 
 Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even 
 rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind.
 
 Mary Anne Lynskey
 
 
 On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a
 three-year subscription.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
 Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to
 keep paying for
 rights to use the app?
 
 To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot 
 Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe 
 Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the
 subjectline.   of your truth
 and live according to your word.
 
 Verse of the Week
 Proverbs 18:10
 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs
 into it and
 is safe. (ESV)
 
 Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive 
 you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to 
 behold
 you, a heart
 to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the
 power of the
 Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of 
 Nursia,
 480-547 AD)
 Psalm 23:1-6
 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside
 still waters;
 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness
 for his name's
 sake.
 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I 
 fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they 
 comfort me.
 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
 you anoint my
 
 head with oil, my cup overflows.
 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my
 life; and I
 shall
 dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
 
 
 Psalm 19:8-11
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Chuck Dean
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.
 
 
 Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my 
 neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one
 mile, and took
 a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS 
 apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one
 mile walk.
 The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. 
 Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you 
 are in are already entered, so only the address number and street 
 need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you 
 will need to change

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[James Homuth]

Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a
map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't
need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps
I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness,
they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're
going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no
problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on
technology not to get me lost either.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye
application does provide additional description of intersections and
actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
pay an extra fee. Thanks.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:

 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are
free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part
the mystro did not run in the same price range.
 
 
 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My
Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
when they happen.
 
 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a
valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.
 
 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already
have.
 
 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the
other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot
of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in
looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the
same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you 
 buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 
 divided by $130 =
 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for 
 the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 
 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out 
 of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and 
 Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which 
 company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on 
 your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye
app uses.
 
 Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any 
 argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while 
 you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I 
 think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded 
 the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i 
 certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the 
 rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted 
 from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. 
 I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the 
 app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the 
 maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly 
 sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, 
 they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. 
 Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not 
 blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I
would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it.
 
 Mary Anne
 
 On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Mary Anne,
 
 Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even 
 download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not 
 like Sendero forced you to do so.
 
 You could go and pay $59

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[James Homuth]

And all 3 of those sources are free. Look it up.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: July 3, 2013 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Having purchased the app already, I can confirm that this application pulls
its points of interest from three sources and not just foursquare.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-03, at 6:41 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote:

 Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been 
 said on here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is 
 pretty much exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also 
 don't charge you for updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also 
 doesn't charge you for map updates. And if we're being honest, the 
 Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay for its access to, let's say, 
 foursquare information, which is where it pulls its points of interest 
 from. So again, what are you paying for for $70/year?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Kevin Barry
 Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 She expects everything for nothing.
 
 At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote:
 Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee 
 in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that 
 there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only 
 a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out 
 through the purchasers.
 I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more 
 than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars.
 If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the 
 taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a 
 small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific 
 portion of the population.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? 
 Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. 
 I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's 
 nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking 
 advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets.
 Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude 
 for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't 
 even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my
mind.
 
 Mary Anne Lynskey
 
 
 On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a
 three-year subscription.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
 Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to
 keep paying for
 rights to use the app?
 
 To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot 
 Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe 
 Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the
 subjectline.   of your truth
 and live according to your word.
 
 Verse of the Week
 Proverbs 18:10
 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs
 into it and
 is safe. (ESV)
 
 Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive 
 you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to 
 behold
 you, a heart
 to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the
 power of the
 Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of 
 Nursia,
 480-547 AD)
 Psalm 23:1-6
 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside
 still waters;
 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness
 for his name's
 sake.
 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I 
 fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they 
 comfort me.
 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
 you anoint my
 
 head with oil, my cup overflows.
 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my
 life; and I
 shall
 dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
 
 
 Psalm 19:8-11
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Chuck Dean
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.
 
 
 Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my 
 neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one
 mile, and took
 a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS 
 apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the 
 one
 mile walk

Seeing eye app feature request

[Robert Fenton]

Hello everybody:

When using this app last night, I noticed that there is one feature that 
NAVIGON does have that I wish this new application would integrate. NAVIGON 
allows a user who is using the around me application to obtain routing 
information to get from where they are to And address of a point of interest 
that they found on the around me application. It would be very helpful if the 
authors of this application would integrate the data with around me so that the 
two applications can work more harmoniously together. Thanks very much.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Paul Ferrara]

All I will say is this: if it hasn't been done already, please post a review 
of the app if you have used it. The rest of this discussion has quickly gone 
to being meaningless. Didn't we have the same discussion for Fleksi, 
M-braille, and any other app that costs more than .99?


Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Kevin Barry

Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

I advise against using logic with irrational people.
Kevin

At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote:
So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the 
equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year 
subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance exponentially 
in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete.


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

 I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download
the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to 
download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all 
since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my 
trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at 
this time it is on sail. from Mich.

 - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


 And how much did you pay for that breeze?

 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:


 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I
downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, 
i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating 
portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. 
By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon 
for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A 
few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but 
certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just 
don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and 
there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and 
support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app 
to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of 
money and not like it.


 Mary Anne

 On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Mary Anne,

 Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you
even download
 and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero
 forced you to do so.

 You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or
whatever it
 is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution 
 even

 though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This
totally reminds me
 about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge
$5 for their
 LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I 
 think

 was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I
said, don't
 buy it if you don't want it.


 Take care,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial?
Even so, it's
 too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already
written this
 as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a
case of total
 greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and
stealing money out
 of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous!
What a cocky
 attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are
anyway? I couldn't
 even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak 
 my

 mind.

 Mary Anne Lynskey


 On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year
 subscription.

 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com 
 wrote:


 Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep
 paying for rights to use the app?

 To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot
 Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe 
 Dan's
 Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline.   of 
 your

 truth
 and live according to your word.

 Verse of the Week
 Proverbs 18:10
 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into
 it and is safe. (ESV)

 Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[May and Noah]

I haven't had to pay any extra fee for my updated maps with Navigon and I've 
had it for years.

But again I'm not saying that either app is perfect either, just that right now 
the Seeing Eye app isn't worth the money I put out for it since my other apps 
give me the same info.

May and Prince Noah
www.canadianlynx.ca

On 2013-07-03, at 8:53 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote:

 With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye 
 application does provide additional description of intersections and actually 
 provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a 
 fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if 
 you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to 
 end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are 
 with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to 
 receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks.
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are 
 free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part 
 the mystro did not run in the same price range.
 
 
 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My 
 Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades 
 when they happen.
 
 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a 
 valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they 
 already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.
 
 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already 
 have.
 
 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other 
 companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps 
 seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it 
 from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the
 Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 =
 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the
 price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How
 likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze
 without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map
 updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and
 I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3
 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses.
 
 Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any
 argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and
 everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did
 look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the
 app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did
 not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told
 them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the
 apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and
 have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now
 and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they
 want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of
 money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good
 alternatives. Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and support a company that
 is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because
 I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it.
 
 Mary Anne
 
 On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Mary Anne,
 
 Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even 
 download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not 
 like Sendero forced you to do so.
 
 You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or 
 whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable 
 solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. 
 This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero 
 dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the 
 outrage some people felt then I think was downright

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Robert Fenton]

For me, the additional information describing intersections is incredibly 
important, not because I need technology not to get lost, but for safety. As 
part of my job, I frequently travel to unfamiliar cities and it is helpful to 
know how intersections look before crossing them quite often for the first time.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-03, at 6:57 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote:

 Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a
 map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't
 need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps
 I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness,
 they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're
 going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no
 problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on
 technology not to get me lost either.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Robert Fenton
 Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye
 application does provide additional description of intersections and
 actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
 person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
 example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
 more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
 destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
 addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
 pay an extra fee. Thanks.
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are
 free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part
 the mystro did not run in the same price range.
 
 
 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My
 Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
 when they happen.
 
 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a
 valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
 already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.
 
 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already
 have.
 
 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the
 other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot
 of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in
 looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the
 same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you 
 buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 
 divided by $130 =
 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for 
 the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 
 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out 
 of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and 
 Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which 
 company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on 
 your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye
 app uses.
 
 Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any 
 argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while 
 you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I 
 think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded 
 the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i 
 certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the 
 rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted 
 from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. 
 I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the 
 app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the 
 maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly 
 sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, 
 they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. 
 Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Peter Logan]

This needs to stop.  They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it 
greed.  All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone 
accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash.


As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, 
costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. 
Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of 
providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them.


Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list.


Peter Logan


-Original Message- 
From: James Homuth

Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a
map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't
need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps
I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness,
they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're
going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no
problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on
technology not to get me lost either.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye
application does provide additional description of intersections and
actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
pay an extra fee. Thanks.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:


You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are

free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part
the mystro did not run in the same price range.



The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My

Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
when they happen.


Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a

valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.


For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already

have.


Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the

other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot
of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in
looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the
same.

May and Prince Noah
www.canadianlynx.ca

On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:


And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you
buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800
divided by $130 =
6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for
the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18
years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out
of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and
Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which
company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on
your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye

app uses.


Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any
argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while
you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I
think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded
the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i
certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the
rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted
from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee.
I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the
app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[James Homuth]

Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once
again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them
to apples.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Peter Logan
Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

This needs to stop.  They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it
greed.  All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone
accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash.

As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years,
costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. 
Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of
providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them.

Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list.


Peter Logan


-Original Message-
From: James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a
map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't
need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps
I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness,
they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're
going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no
problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on
technology not to get me lost either.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye
application does provide additional description of intersections and
actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
pay an extra fee. Thanks.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:

 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze 
 are
free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part
the mystro did not run in the same price range.


 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. 
 My
Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
when they happen.

 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and 
 it's a
valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.

 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I 
 already
have.

 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the
other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot
of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in
looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the
same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca

 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you 
 buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 
 divided by $130 =
 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for 
 the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 
 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out 
 of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and 
 Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which 
 company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on 
 your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing 
 Eye
app uses.

 Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any 
 argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while 
 you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I 
 think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

 You are incorrect assuming that I bought

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[May and Noah]

Ok, now people are just picking to be picking.

I'll drop out of the conversation after this.

I'm not a huge fan of the Seeing Eye, but was glad to try out their app. do I 
believe there should be a yearly cost, nope, but again that's because for now I 
have apps that give me the same info that works for me so the yearly cost isn't 
worth it. GPS is secondary to me if I'm using it just to make sure that I'm not 
ending up in BFE when I'm trying to get to some street over there.

Maybe in time if the app has made updates it will be worth it for me. If this 
app benefits those that like certain features of, hey, that's awesome and 
that's what matters.

There's several things about the app that will need to be worked out, but 
that's the same with the trekker when it first came out, navigon and all the 
rest. In time maybe for me it will be worth the cost.

Now I'm going to shut up and go play in traffic.

May and Prince Noah
www.canadianlynx.ca

On 2013-07-03, at 9:13 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote:

 Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once
 again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them
 to apples.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Peter Logan
 Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 This needs to stop.  They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it
 greed.  All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone
 accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash.
 
 As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years,
 costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. 
 Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of
 providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them.
 
 Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list.
 
 
 Peter Logan
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: James Homuth
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a
 map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't
 need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps
 I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness,
 they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're
 going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no
 problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on
 technology not to get me lost either.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Robert Fenton
 Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye
 application does provide additional description of intersections and
 actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
 person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
 example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
 more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
 destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
 addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
 pay an extra fee. Thanks.
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze 
 are
 free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part
 the mystro did not run in the same price range.
 
 
 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. 
 My
 Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
 when they happen.
 
 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and 
 it's a
 valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
 already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.
 
 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I 
 already
 have.
 
 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the
 other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot
 of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in
 looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the
 same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you 
 buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 
 divided by $130

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Robert Fenton]

Navigon lists several in app purchases. Item 3 in that list indicates that for 
fresh XL maps for North America, the cost is $19.99. This presumably provides 
maps that have additional detail as compared to the regular maps that come with 
the product.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-03, at 7:03 AM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:

 I haven't had to pay any extra fee for my updated maps with Navigon and I've 
 had it for years.
 
 But again I'm not saying that either app is perfect either, just that right 
 now the Seeing Eye app isn't worth the money I put out for it since my other 
 apps give me the same info.
 
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 8:53 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote:
 
 With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye 
 application does provide additional description of intersections and 
 actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind 
 person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For 
 example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're 
 more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your 
 destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In 
 addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to 
 pay an extra fee. Thanks.
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are 
 free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part 
 the mystro did not run in the same price range.
 
 
 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My 
 Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades 
 when they happen.
 
 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a 
 valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they 
 already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.
 
 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already 
 have.
 
 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other 
 companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of 
 apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking 
 at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the
 Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 =
 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the
 price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How
 likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze
 without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map
 updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and
 I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3
 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses.
 
 Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any
 argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you 
 and
 everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did
 look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the
 app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did
 not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told
 them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the
 apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and
 have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every 
 now
 and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they
 want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of
 money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good
 alternatives. Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and support a company 
 that
 is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because
 I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it.
 
 Mary Anne
 
 On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Mary Anne,
 
 Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even 
 download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not 
 like Sendero forced you to do so.
 
 You could go and pay

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[James Homuth]

So those maps are more detailed. Sure. They're also not required. And the
maps you get *with* the program are still updated. An optional $19 is
nowhere near the same as a mandatory $70.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: July 3, 2013 9:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Navigon lists several in app purchases. Item 3 in that list indicates that
for fresh XL maps for North America, the cost is $19.99. This presumably
provides maps that have additional detail as compared to the regular maps
that come with the product.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-03, at 7:03 AM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:

 I haven't had to pay any extra fee for my updated maps with Navigon and
I've had it for years.
 
 But again I'm not saying that either app is perfect either, just that
right now the Seeing Eye app isn't worth the money I put out for it since my
other apps give me the same info.
 
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 8:53 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net
wrote:
 
 With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing
eye application does provide additional description of intersections and
actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
pay an extra fee. Thanks.
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze
are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter
part the mystro did not run in the same price range.
 
 
 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze.
My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
when they happen.
 
 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's
a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.
 
 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already
have.
 
 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the
other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot
of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in
looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the
same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you 
 buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 
 divided by $130 =
 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for 
 the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 
 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service 
 out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker 
 Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I 
 wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether 
 the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones
the Seeing Eye app uses.
 
 Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt 
 any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and 
 while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their 
 opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak
for themselves.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I 
 downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly 
 it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went 
 to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been 
 deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one 
 time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the 
 cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then 
 to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they 
 want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that 
 kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are 
 other good alternatives. Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and 
 support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm

RE: Seeing eye app feature request

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Robert,

The ability to send a destination from Around Me to Navigon is actually a
feature of Around me and not Navigon. Here is what the developer of Around
me writes as part of the app store description:

- Now support Navigon, TomTom, Motion X Drive and Waze navigation software.

You would have to contact Around Me and make them aware of Sendero to see if
they are willing to add support for the Seeing Eye app. I guess it won't
hurt to also let Sendero know since of course they could approach the Around
Me developer to make the request.


Regards,
Sieghard
 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:02 AM
To: Viphone
Subject: Seeing eye app feature request

Hello everybody:

When using this app last night, I noticed that there is one feature that
NAVIGON does have that I wish this new application would integrate. NAVIGON
allows a user who is using the around me application to obtain routing
information to get from where they are to And address of a point of interest
that they found on the around me application. It would be very helpful if
the authors of this application would integrate the data with around me so
that the two applications can work more harmoniously together. Thanks very
much.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Seeing eye app feature request

[Robert Fenton]

Good point, thank you. I thought of that shortly after I posted my message. I 
will contact both developers and see what happens.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-03, at 7:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Robert,
 
 The ability to send a destination from Around Me to Navigon is actually a
 feature of Around me and not Navigon. Here is what the developer of Around
 me writes as part of the app store description:
 
 - Now support Navigon, TomTom, Motion X Drive and Waze navigation software.
 
 You would have to contact Around Me and make them aware of Sendero to see if
 they are willing to add support for the Seeing Eye app. I guess it won't
 hurt to also let Sendero know since of course they could approach the Around
 Me developer to make the request.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Robert Fenton
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:02 AM
 To: Viphone
 Subject: Seeing eye app feature request
 
 Hello everybody:
 
 When using this app last night, I noticed that there is one feature that
 NAVIGON does have that I wish this new application would integrate. NAVIGON
 allows a user who is using the around me application to obtain routing
 information to get from where they are to And address of a point of interest
 that they found on the around me application. It would be very helpful if
 the authors of this application would integrate the data with around me so
 that the two applications can work more harmoniously together. Thanks very
 much.
 
 Bob Fenton
 
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RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The reason why you don't pay full price for an iPhone is because your
provider subsidises the purchase by making you sign a 2-year contract where
you commit to paying a high monthly price for your phone service so in
essence it is not a one-time cost because if you decide to cancel your
contract after 6 months you will have to buy out the phone.
 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once
again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them
to apples.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Peter Logan
Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

This needs to stop.  They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it
greed.  All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone
accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash.

As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years,
costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. 
Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of
providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them.

Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list.


Peter Logan


-Original Message-
From: James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a
map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't
need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps
I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness,
they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're
going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no
problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on
technology not to get me lost either.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye
application does provide additional description of intersections and
actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
pay an extra fee. Thanks.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:

 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze 
 are
free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part
the mystro did not run in the same price range.


 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. 
 My
Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
when they happen.

 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and 
 it's a
valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.

 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I 
 already
have.

 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the
other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot
of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in
looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the
same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca

 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you 
 buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 
 divided by $130 =
 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for 
 the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 
 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out 
 of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and 
 Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which 
 company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on 
 your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing 
 Eye
app uses.

 Anyhow, I think

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi May,
Just out of curiosity and i assure you i do not want to start or contribute to 
any kind of flame war here, but what apps are you having besides the Seeing eye 
gps one and how do they compare if at all? Just so i know in the event the 
Seeing eye app will come to Sweden and so i know if i should get it or not, i 
mean if there are apps out there that does the job just as good as the Seeing 
eye gps, then i see little point in purchasing it.
/Krister

3 jul 2013 kl. 15:23 skrev May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com:

 Ok, now people are just picking to be picking.
 
 I'll drop out of the conversation after this.
 
 I'm not a huge fan of the Seeing Eye, but was glad to try out their app. do I 
 believe there should be a yearly cost, nope, but again that's because for now 
 I have apps that give me the same info that works for me so the yearly cost 
 isn't worth it. GPS is secondary to me if I'm using it just to make sure that 
 I'm not ending up in BFE when I'm trying to get to some street over there.
 
 Maybe in time if the app has made updates it will be worth it for me. If this 
 app benefits those that like certain features of, hey, that's awesome and 
 that's what matters.
 
 There's several things about the app that will need to be worked out, but 
 that's the same with the trekker when it first came out, navigon and all the 
 rest. In time maybe for me it will be worth the cost.
 
 Now I'm going to shut up and go play in traffic.
 
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 9:13 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote:
 
 Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once
 again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them
 to apples.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Peter Logan
 Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 This needs to stop.  They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it
 greed.  All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone
 accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash.
 
 As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years,
 costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. 
 Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of
 providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them.
 
 Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list.
 
 
 Peter Logan
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: James Homuth
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a
 map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't
 need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps
 I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness,
 they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're
 going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no
 problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on
 technology not to get me lost either.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Robert Fenton
 Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye
 application does provide additional description of intersections and
 actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
 person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
 example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
 more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
 destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
 addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
 pay an extra fee. Thanks.
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze 
 are
 free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part
 the mystro did not run in the same price range.
 
 
 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. 
 My
 Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
 when they happen.
 
 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and 
 it's a
 valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
 already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.
 
 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I 
 already
 have.
 
 Also, the maps

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Bob,

Fresh Maps give you quarterly map updates as opposed to yearly map updates.
Since the Seeing Eye app uses maps on the server where it always accesses
the latest maps this of course doesn't apply, but yes, in the end you also
pay something with apps like Navigon if frequent map updates are something
you want.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Navigon lists several in app purchases. Item 3 in that list indicates that
for fresh XL maps for North America, the cost is $19.99. This presumably
provides maps that have additional detail as compared to the regular maps
that come with the product.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-03, at 7:03 AM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:

 I haven't had to pay any extra fee for my updated maps with Navigon and
I've had it for years.
 
 But again I'm not saying that either app is perfect either, just that
right now the Seeing Eye app isn't worth the money I put out for it since my
other apps give me the same info.
 
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 8:53 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net
wrote:
 
 With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing
eye application does provide additional description of intersections and
actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
pay an extra fee. Thanks.
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze
are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter
part the mystro did not run in the same price range.
 
 
 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze.
My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
when they happen.
 
 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's
a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.
 
 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already
have.
 
 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the
other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot
of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in
looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the
same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you 
 buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 
 divided by $130 =
 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for 
 the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 
 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service 
 out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker 
 Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I 
 wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether 
 the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones
the Seeing Eye app uses.
 
 Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt 
 any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and 
 while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their 
 opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak
for themselves.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I 
 downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly 
 it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went 
 to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been 
 deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one 
 time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the 
 cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then 
 to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they 
 want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that 
 kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Krister,

There are apps available which in combination do most of what the Seeing Eye
app does, but if those were all as good and complete than why were so many
of us looking forward to the Seeing Eye app? People have very different
needs and expectations when it comes to navigation apps and devices. May
already owns a Trekker Breeze and for anybody who does have one of those I
can totally understand why the Seeing Eye app is not as attractive. Of
course you have to carry 2 devices, but the advantage also is that you
aren't using up your iPhone's battery. Oh, and none of the existing apps,
not a single one, tells you automatically about intersections, e.g. if it is
a 4-way, 3-way etc. I always found this a  very useful feature when I had my
Windows Smartphone with MobileSpeak and MobileGeo. It is interesting how
often I heard somebody saying If only there was an app for the iPhone as
good as MobileGeo. MobileGeo which required MobileSpeak to function, was
$800 or $900 and MobileSpeak added another $300. I think we all forget what
we used to pay for these devices, only a year ago a Trekker Breeze was still
$900 and only now it's on sale for $500 (Humanware lists it regularly at
$700) here in Canada and I think to a large extend that price drop is
because of devices like the iPhone and apps like Seeing Eye which are a much
more cost effective solution in the long run even if they are not for
everybody.

OK, this is it for me in this discussion as well. I will most definitely buy
the Seeing Eye app because I am confident that it will work well and be
improved down the road. Oh, incidently, if Sendero had chosen to sell it
outright for $200 with no subscription cost there would have been just as
much outrage about it.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, actually this isn't a Sendero thing, but an Apple thing. Over the 
last year, many apps have switched to this model where you get the app, 
which might be an ad version, or a disabled version. Then you do in-app 
purchased to unlock things. Dice World is an example. You just get one 
app, then if you want to add things to it, like get rid of ads, you 
either play and win many games, or you do an in-app purchase and get rid 
of them. Sendero's Seeing App is the same thing in that you get the free 
app, then depending on which subscription you want, you do an in-app 
purchase. Not misleading at all. So, let's stop harping about how evil 
Sendero supposedly is.


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On 7/2/2013 10:40 PM, Mich wrote:

I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app
but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download
a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since
you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my
trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499
at this time it is on sail. from Mich.
- Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


And how much did you pay for that breeze?

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:


You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded
the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i
certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating
portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my
phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had
my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works
just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is
reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is
highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they
wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives.
Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not
blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I
would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it.

Mary Anne

On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Mary Anne,

Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even
download
and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero
forced you to do so.

You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or
whatever it
is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even
though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally
reminds me
about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for
their
LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I
think
was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said,
don't
buy it if you don't want it.


Take care,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Mary Anne Lynskey
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even
so, it's
too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already
written this
as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of
total
greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing
money out
of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a
cocky
attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I
couldn't
even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to
speak my
mind.

Mary Anne Lynskey


On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:

At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year

subscription.


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:


Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep
paying for rights to use the app?

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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Mary Otten]

I think it kind of sucks that people who don't buy a subscription can rate the 
app. Very misleading, since you haven't used the appp.
Hopefully, people who read your review will take it with a cup of salt and 
realize you just want something for nothing.

Mary
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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Mary Otten]

Maybe the real problem is that people who raise these objections  had their 
specialized devices bought for them by rehab, and now times have changed, and 
they have to actually pay for something themselves. 


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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[john gallagher]

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hi all i think we all must realise that we are all diferent and 
have diferent needs and i think it is sometimes hard to price 
apps out.  for me as a piano tuner i have always used sendero 
because there the best and to me what ever they charge i can 
understand why.  it takes a lot of hard work to design an app for 
blind people especially the gps apps.  when and if the gps app 
comes to the uk i will certainly purchase it for a blind person 
getting lost is horrid and to know where you are is everything to 
me.  i aplaud mike may and his team for what they have done for 
us with regards to gps.  when in business you have to make money 
to live and i think the seing eye is well well worth the money 
and at least we have the choice the more of us that buy the lless 
the app will be in the future.


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Re: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.

[Mary Otten]

Do you a data connection for myway classic? Problem with a lot of apps is that 
need for a connection. When camping, most places we go to have no connectivity.

Mary

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Re: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.

[Andy Baracco]

at their rates depending on how old you are, a life time sub could run you 
$2000.


Andy


-Original Message- 
From: Chuck Dean

Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.

At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year 
subscription.


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

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Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying 
for

rights to use the app?

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heart

to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the
Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia,
480-547 AD)
Psalm 23:1-6
1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters;
3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his 
name's

sake.
4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no
evil;
for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint 
my


head with oil, my cup overflows.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I
shall
dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.


Psalm 19:8-11


-Original Message-
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Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.


Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my
neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and 
took

a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it
seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk.
The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an
address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already
entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you
are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I
started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app
uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice
that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with 
ample

lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name
and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also,
as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by.
On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop 
down
menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife 
told

me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled
this button multi mode.
Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd 
like

to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route,
as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker..
After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It
sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen hundred
dollars seven years ago, it doesn't seem too expensive.
If you figure it out, it comes to about twenty one cents a day for the one
year subscription. And only about thirteen cents a day with the three year
subscription, it seems reasonable to me.





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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[michael capelle]

fred, i know we don't get along, but i have to say, i agree with you on this 
point.

hey, does it really matter how much it is?
no, it is there for the using, no one is forcing people to download, 
install, and purchase the app.


- Original Message - 
From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


I know this list is for discussion of apps, but is it also for arguing 
about apps? Whether one decides it is to expensive, or works well or not is 
immaterial, the important thing is that it is out there and available, 
isn't it?


Fred Olver
- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!



I advise against using logic with irrational people.
Kevin

At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote:
So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the 
equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year 
subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance 
exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete.


Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

 I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download
the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to 
download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all 
since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with 
my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 
499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich.

 - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


 And how much did you pay for that breeze?

 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com 
 wrote:


 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I
downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it 
was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the 
rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from 
my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had 
my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works 
just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is 
reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is 
highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they 
wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. 
Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not 
blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I 
would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it.


 Mary Anne

 On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Mary Anne,

 Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you
even download
 and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like 
 Sendero

 forced you to do so.

 You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or
whatever it
 is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution 
 even

 though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This
totally reminds me
 about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge
$5 for their
 LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I 
 think

 was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I
said, don't
 buy it if you don't want it.


 Take care,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial?
Even so, it's
 too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already
written this
 as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a
case of total
 greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and
stealing money out
 of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous!
What a cocky
 attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are
anyway? I couldn't
 even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to 
 speak my

 mind.

 Mary Anne Lynskey


 On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year
 subscription.

 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com 
 wrote:


 Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep
 paying for rights to use the app?

 To receive

Re: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.

[Mary Otten]

Dan, no, you can't buy a lifetime subscription to the app. 3 years is the 
longest, which is actually pretty long, it seems to me, given what happens in 
the technology arena.

Mary

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Re: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.

[Mary Otten]

No, it doesn't have the record a route feature. How many years did it take the 
Braille Note apps to get that feature? And how much did you pay for those apps 
if you have them? Rome was not built in a day.

Mary

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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Mary Otten]

There are plenty of apps that let you download them, but to use them, you have 
to buy content or data. All news stand apps, for  example. Wake up, people.
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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hello Sean, coming from a moderator I can say that your message wasn't 
attacking any one individually, but rather expressing a different view 
point. So, you are good there. For whoever else is reading this, keep 
this in mind when expressing your opinions on whether people are being 
robbed, blind people should get it all for free, or just don't like the 
price point of things.


Thanks.

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Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47

On 7/3/2013 5:52 AM, Sean Paul wrote:

Really? Are you serious? Stealing money out of blind peoples pockets?
Greed?
Do you feel that the grocery store is stealing money out of your pocket?
Your cell carrier? Any other business that you do business with?
Where do blind people get off thinking that they should be given
everything for free? This is the sort of atitude that gives blind
persons a bad name  makes all of us look bad. I'll probably be
chastized by the list owners or mods for my comments. However, that is
the price I'm willing to pay to make my point.
No one owes you anything whether you're blind, sighted, left-handed,
right-handed, etc. If you want it, you buy it, if you don't then don't.
But, don't begrudge those of us who have nor the company for trying to
make money.
- Original Message - From: Mary Anne Lynskey
marlyn...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 21:46
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so,
it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already
written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than
a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people
and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that
is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they
think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I
begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind.

Mary Anne Lynskey


On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:

At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year
subscription.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:


Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep
paying for
rights to use the app?

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.


Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my
neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile,
and took
a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it
seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile
walk.
The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an
address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already
entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If
you
are going to another city, however, you will need to change that
field. I
started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The
app
uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another
voice
that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with
ample
lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street
name
and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction.
Also,
as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by.
On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a
drop down
menu with various options including one

RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Michael Malver]

I might write a 1 star review decrying the ability to test the app first for
a nominal fee.  I want something for something, and if effecting their
average rating will get it, I'm happy to do so. It wouldn't be a misleading
review either since I used the app just enough to know there is no monthly
subscription.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

I think it kind of sucks that people who don't buy a subscription can rate
the app. Very misleading, since you haven't used the appp.
Hopefully, people who read your review will take it with a cup of salt and
realize you just want something for nothing.

Mary
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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

James,

er, excuse me, Navigon offers the same level of access, and you base that on 
what?

I have both, and therefore I am basing this on factual knowledge, Navigon which 
I used for years is not on the same level as Seeing Eye in terms of 
accessibility to O/M information, they are not even in the same league.

Navigon's buttons are labelled sure, and I can use it to get me from A to B, 
but with no intersection data, no POI read aloud data, no intersections I pass 
by on the route data and no 4 Square integration.

Seeing Eye uses 3 sources, two of which are free sources the third NavTeq is 
not and is a paid solution.

I also fail to see why people believe Navigon is giving them map updates for 
free, Navigon App updates are free, but, that is the app alone and not the map 
data. This is an additional on top in app purchase.

If you just download the free updates to Navigon all you are getting is the app 
itself updated and not the map data.



Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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Twitter @neilbarnfather

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On 3 Jul 2013, at 13:41, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote:

 Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been said on
 here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is pretty much
 exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also don't charge you for
 updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also doesn't charge you for map
 updates. And if we're being honest, the Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay
 for its access to, let's say, foursquare information, which is where it
 pulls its points of interest from. So again, what are you paying for for
 $70/year?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Kevin Barry
 Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 She expects everything for nothing.
 
 At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote:
 Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in 
 order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there 
 are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few 
 thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through 
 the purchasers.
 I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more 
 than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars.
 If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, 
 it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price 
 to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the 
 population.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? 
 Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. 
 I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's 
 nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking 
 advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets.
 Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for 
 Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even 
 rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind.
 
 Mary Anne Lynskey
 
 
 On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a
 three-year subscription.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
 Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to
 keep paying for
 rights to use the app?
 
 To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot 
 Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe 
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 Proverbs 18:10
 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs
 into it and
 is safe. (ESV)
 
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 you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to 
 behold
 you, a heart
 to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the
 power of the
 Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of 
 Nursia,
 480-547 AD)
 Psalm 23:1-6
 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside
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 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness
 for his name's
 sake.
 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I 
 fear no evil

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Richard Ring]

You go, Mary!

You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
 Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
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On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:08 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe the real problem is that people who raise these objections  had their 
 specialized devices bought for them by rehab, and now times have changed, and 
 they have to actually pay for something themselves. 
 
 
 Mary Otten
 motte...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.

[Chuck Dean]

No, you do not need a data connection to use MyWay Classic. It works strictly 
off the GPS. It does not use maps, instead you make the map by inserting points 
as you walk. I tried this app yesterday while walking to the barbershop through 
 alleys and parking lots. It worked perfectly!

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

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 Do you a data connection for myway classic? Problem with a lot of apps is 
 that need for a connection. When camping, most places we go to have no 
 connectivity.
 
 Mary
 
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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Richard Ring]

All decisions involving money require some thought. Not all of my sighted 
frinds drive BMW's. For that matter, not all of them have iPhones. At the 
risked of being flamed into a tiny bit of ash, the iPhone is quite expensive. 
In fact, all i devices are rather spendy. However, most people on this list 
have chosen to purchase them. No one has to have GPS in order to be mobile. 
People have been using white canes or guide dogs for years.
Therefore either buy the app or don't!  Blind people in general seem to be 
either under employed or unemployed. Certainly that's not true for all blind 
people, but it seems true for the majority. So, you make decisions as to how to 
spend your money.
So decide whether or not you want this app or not! It's really rather simple!


You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
 Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
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On Jul 3, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Sean Paul newsandtraf...@aol.com wrote:

 Again, if you want to buy it, buy it, if you don't, don't. But, don't bitch  
 complain about its price. Pay it or don't. I don't go to the store  complain 
 to them about the prices which they charge. I either buy something while I'm 
 there or I don't. , I don't run around complaining about folks stealing 
 money from blind folks pockets. Or, that someone is being greedy. Again, if I 
 want it I pay. , yes, this is coming from someone who considers himself a 
 cheapskate. It's one thing to talk about what an app will or won't do. How it 
 works or how it doesn't. Whether it is accessible or not. Complaining about 
 its price is quite another.
 - Original Message - From: James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 08:50
 Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 
 Uh. The last update we pulled in for the Breeze in this house? That would be
 yesterday. And yes, it was free. Now, granted to buy any other map, there's
 an extra cost. So say you're going to England for a vacation and decide to
 drag your GPS along. Except you won't be dragging the Seeing Eye app along,
 as it doesn't even work over there.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: July 3, 2013 12:16 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 Hi Mich,
 
 There is nothing misleading since if you didn't know about the subscription
 this simply means you didn't read the full app description and information.
 Right after where it says the app is free, the release date and customer
 ratings it says the following:
 
 Top In-App Purchases
 1. Three Year Subscription$129.99
 2. One Year Subscription$69.99
 
 OK, so I was remembering the old price for the Breeze, but even at $500 I
 cam buy 4 3-year subscription renewals (4 times $130 = $520) which means 12
 years of up-to-date coverage. When did you last get a map update for your
 Trekker? Was it free?
 
 OK, I know this is actively defending the Seeing Eye app which I am sure has
 its shortcomings. But I really dislike it if people bash a product which
 took an enormous amount of dedication and resources to develop simply
 because it's not given to them for virtually nothing. How about all that
 HUmanware greed, I mean how dare they charge the original adopters of the
 Breeze $800 or $900 and now they are :giving it away for little more than
 half that.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Mich
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:40 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but
 since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free
 appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to
 by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the
 person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on
 sail. from Mich.
 - Original Message -
 From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 
 And how much did you pay for that breeze?
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded
 the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i
 certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating
 portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my
 phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had
 my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works
 just fine. A few bucks every now

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Christopher Chaltain]

and I would claim this is still paying full price for the iPhone. It 
isn't by any means a discount because we're blind users. To be honest, 
I'm not sure how the statement about paying full price for an iPhone or 
not even has anything to do with this argument.


On 07/03/2013 08:44 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

The reason why you don't pay full price for an iPhone is because your
provider subsidises the purchase by making you sign a 2-year contract where
you commit to paying a high monthly price for your phone service so in
essence it is not a one-time cost because if you decide to cancel your
contract after 6 months you will have to buy out the phone.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once
again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them
to apples.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Peter Logan
Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

This needs to stop.  They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it
greed.  All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone
accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash.

As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years,
costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy.
Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of
providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them.

Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list.


Peter Logan


-Original Message-
From: James Homuth
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a
map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't
need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps
I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness,
they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're
going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no
problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on
technology not to get me lost either.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye
application does provide additional description of intersections and
actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
pay an extra fee. Thanks.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:


You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze
are

free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part
the mystro did not run in the same price range.



The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze.
My

Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
when they happen.


Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and
it's a

valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.


For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I
already

have.


Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the

other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot
of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in
looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the
same.

May and Prince Noah
www.canadianlynx.ca

On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:


And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you
buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800
divided by $130 =
6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for
the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18
years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out
of your Breeze

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Christopher Chaltain]

Everyone has to decide for themselves whether an app is worth the price 
being asked for or not. I know some people feel they can get similar 
functionality from less expensive apps or apps with a different payment 
method and that's great! For others, this app has features they're 
willing to pay for. This is no different than any other set of apps in 
the App Store, note taking apps, calendar apps, PIM apps and so on. 
There's a lot of choices and a lot of prices and it's good that we have 
another option.


What I don't understand though about this thread is why some people 
think others care about whether they're willing to pay for this or any 
other app. I'd like information on the app, reviews, podcasts, a trial 
period, comparisons with other apps and so on. I'll decide for myself if 
I think it's worth the money or not. I don't really care if someone else 
in a different situation thinks it's worth the price or not.


On 07/03/2013 08:07 AM, Robert Fenton wrote:

For me, the additional information describing intersections is incredibly 
important, not because I need technology not to get lost, but for safety. As 
part of my job, I frequently travel to unfamiliar cities and it is helpful to 
know how intersections look before crossing them quite often for the first time.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-03, at 6:57 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote:


Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a
map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't
need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps
I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness,
they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're
going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no
problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on
technology not to get me lost either.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robert Fenton
Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye
application does provide additional description of intersections and
actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind
person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For
example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're
more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your
destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In
addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to
pay an extra fee. Thanks.

Bob Fenton

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:


You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are

free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part
the mystro did not run in the same price range.



The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My

Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades
when they happen.


Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a

valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they
already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.


For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already

have.


Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the

other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot
of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in
looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the
same.

May and Prince Noah
www.canadianlynx.ca

On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:


And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you
buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800
divided by $130 =
6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for
the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18
years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out
of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and
Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which
company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on
your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye

app uses.


Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any
argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while
you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I
think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Christopher Chaltain]

I don't think people complaining about it will have anything to do with 
whether it sticks around or not. I'm sure these people aren't new to 
putting out a product or dealing with blind consumers. How many people 
out of the total membership of this list have complained about the 
price? It's a pretty small but vocal minority. I think the marketplace 
will have more to do with whether this product is successful or not than 
anything else.


On 07/03/2013 05:40 AM, Sean Paul wrote:

, the more people bitch  complain about its price the more likely the
app is to go away. Which then wouldn't be right for those of us who have
already paid the price for the app. If you don't like the price of the
app, don't buy it. It to me is like a ford verses a BMW. Windows verses
a Mac. Beer verses Champagne. Don't complain about the cost of the BMW,
the Mac or Champagne if you don't want one, can't afford one, don't buy
one. But, don't begrudge those who do want to buy one. Me personally,
I'm pretty good at drinkin' beer. But, for those of you who want
Champagne, I don't begrudge you. I would agree that it would be a great
idea for them to have a trial period so that people can see what the app
is like  what it would do for them. Rather than having to buy the whole
thing up front. I'd also agree that perhaps a monthly cost would be a
good idea for those who can't or don't want to  afford the whole cost up
front. , yes as a matter of full disclosure, I have already purchased
the app. Just one mans opinion, , yes, sometimes I do get paid for it.
- Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 22:04
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in
order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there
are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few
thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through
the purchasers.
I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than
this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars.
If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes,
it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price
to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the
population.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:


I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even
so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've
already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing
less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of
blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks
a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to
adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero
stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind.

Mary Anne Lynskey


On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:

At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year
subscription.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:


Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep
paying for
rights to use the app?

To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot
Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's
Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline.   of
your truth
and live according to your word”.

Verse of the Week
Proverbs 18:10
The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into
it and
is safe. (ESV)

Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you,
diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you,
a heart
to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power
of the
Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia,
480-547 AD)
Psalm 23:1-6
1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still
waters;
3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his
name's
sake.
4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I
fear no
evil;
for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you
anoint my

head with oil, my cup overflows.
6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life;
and I
shall
dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.


Psalm 19:8-11


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Chuck Dean
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.


Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Maria and Joe Chapman]

HI.

is this app available outside the us?


On 04/07/2013, at 4:20 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't think people complaining about it will have anything to do with 
 whether it sticks around or not. I'm sure these people aren't new to putting 
 out a product or dealing with blind consumers. How many people out of the 
 total membership of this list have complained about the price? It's a pretty 
 small but vocal minority. I think the marketplace will have more to do with 
 whether this product is successful or not than anything else.
 
 On 07/03/2013 05:40 AM, Sean Paul wrote:
 , the more people bitch  complain about its price the more likely the
 app is to go away. Which then wouldn't be right for those of us who have
 already paid the price for the app. If you don't like the price of the
 app, don't buy it. It to me is like a ford verses a BMW. Windows verses
 a Mac. Beer verses Champagne. Don't complain about the cost of the BMW,
 the Mac or Champagne if you don't want one, can't afford one, don't buy
 one. But, don't begrudge those who do want to buy one. Me personally,
 I'm pretty good at drinkin' beer. But, for those of you who want
 Champagne, I don't begrudge you. I would agree that it would be a great
 idea for them to have a trial period so that people can see what the app
 is like  what it would do for them. Rather than having to buy the whole
 thing up front. I'd also agree that perhaps a monthly cost would be a
 good idea for those who can't or don't want to  afford the whole cost up
 front. , yes as a matter of full disclosure, I have already purchased
 the app. Just one mans opinion, , yes, sometimes I do get paid for it.
 - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 22:04
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 
 Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in
 order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there
 are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few
 thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through
 the purchasers.
 I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than
 this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars.
 If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes,
 it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price
 to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the
 population.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even
 so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've
 already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing
 less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of
 blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks
 a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to
 adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero
 stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind.
 
 Mary Anne Lynskey
 
 
 On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
 At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year
 subscription.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
 Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep
 paying for
 rights to use the app?
 
 To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot
 Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's
 Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline.   of
 your truth
 and live according to your word”.
 
 Verse of the Week
 Proverbs 18:10
 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into
 it and
 is safe. (ESV)
 
 Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you,
 diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you,
 a heart
 to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power
 of the
 Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia,
 480-547 AD)
 Psalm 23:1-6
 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still
 waters;
 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his
 name's
 sake.
 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I
 fear no
 evil;
 for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you
 anoint my
 
 head with oil, my cup overflows.
 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life;
 and I
 shall
 dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
 
 
 Psalm 19:8-11
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[David Chittenden]

One correction, if you want to receive frequent map updates from Navigon, you 
need to pay a fee. However, if you are happy with quarterly updates, there is 
no extra fee.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 04/07/2013, at 0:53, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote:

 With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye 
 application does provide additional description of intersections and actually 
 provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a 
 fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if 
 you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to 
 end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are 
 with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to 
 receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks.
 
 Bob Fenton
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are 
 free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part 
 the mystro did not run in the same price range.
 
 
 The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My 
 Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades 
 when they happen.
 
 Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a 
 valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they 
 already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing.
 
 For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already 
 have.
 
 Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other 
 companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps 
 seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it 
 from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same.
 May and Prince Noah
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 
 On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the
 Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 =
 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the
 price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How
 likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze
 without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map
 updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and
 I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3
 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses.
 
 Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any
 argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and
 everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did
 look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Mary Anne Lynskey
 Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
 
 You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the
 app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did
 not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told
 them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the
 apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and
 have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now
 and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they
 want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of
 money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good
 alternatives. Actually, I'll  stay with my Breeze and support a company that
 is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because
 I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it.
 
 Mary Anne
 
 On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Mary Anne,
 
 Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even 
 download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not 
 like Sendero forced you to do so.
 
 You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or 
 whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable 
 solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. 
 This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero 
 dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the 
 outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and 
 while $70 is more than $5, like

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Sean Paul]

I wasn't in any suggesting that in particular that this one would. However, 
others who are not as used to dealing with this group of folks but wanted to 
devolope an app would see this as a lack of appreciation, lack of 
understanding, etc. Yes, I'm sure they're more than aware of all of the 
complaining. The larger pioint I was making was the whole if you don't like 
the price, don't buy it. Again, I've already said that I wished there was a 
trial period, a monthly price, etc. However, at this point, there is not  
making statements such as robbing the blind, taking money out of blind folks 
pockets, greedy, etc are not productive for getting a monthly subscribtion 
price, trial period, etc.
- Original Message - 
From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 14:20
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


I don't think people complaining about it will have anything to do with
whether it sticks around or not. I'm sure these people aren't new to
putting out a product or dealing with blind consumers. How many people
out of the total membership of this list have complained about the
price? It's a pretty small but vocal minority. I think the marketplace
will have more to do with whether this product is successful or not than
anything else.

On 07/03/2013 05:40 AM, Sean Paul wrote:

, the more people bitch  complain about its price the more likely the
app is to go away. Which then wouldn't be right for those of us who have
already paid the price for the app. If you don't like the price of the
app, don't buy it. It to me is like a ford verses a BMW. Windows verses
a Mac. Beer verses Champagne. Don't complain about the cost of the BMW,
the Mac or Champagne if you don't want one, can't afford one, don't buy
one. But, don't begrudge those who do want to buy one. Me personally,
I'm pretty good at drinkin' beer. But, for those of you who want
Champagne, I don't begrudge you. I would agree that it would be a great
idea for them to have a trial period so that people can see what the app
is like  what it would do for them. Rather than having to buy the whole
thing up front. I'd also agree that perhaps a monthly cost would be a
good idea for those who can't or don't want to  afford the whole cost up
front. , yes as a matter of full disclosure, I have already purchased
the app. Just one mans opinion, , yes, sometimes I do get paid for it.
- Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 22:04
Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!


Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in
order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there
are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few
thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through
the purchasers.
I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than
this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars.
If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes,
it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price
to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the
population.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:


I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even
so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've
already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing
less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of
blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks
a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to
adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero
stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind.

Mary Anne Lynskey


On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:

At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year
subscription.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:


Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep
paying for
rights to use the app?

To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot
Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's
Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline.   of
your truth
and live according to your word”.

Verse of the Week
Proverbs 18:10
The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into
it and
is safe. (ESV)

Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you,
diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you,
a heart
to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power
of the
Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia

Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Victor Gouveia]

I was loathe to weigh in on this conversation, but judging from all the posts 
I’ve read on this topic, I think your anger and frustrations are being 
misdirected.

The fact is, the bad guy here is Apple, not Sendero.

If Apple would allow for refunds and not force a person to buy or suffer, then 
it would be fine, since people could purchase an app, and, like in a great deal 
of cases us blind folks find ourselves in, the app isn’t accessible, or doesn’t 
work well for us, we could then obtain a refund, sort of like a seven day grace 
period.

So, in essence, it isn’t Sendero who comes up with this policy, it’s Apple, and 
so you have to live with that, not force Sendero to go against a major company 
like Apple.

If you want Apple to listen, write to them, not Sendero, and certainly not to 
this list.

Victor Gouveia
Vice-President
Training Coordinator
VIP Tech
Phone: 1 (888) 737-1115
Fax: 1 (888) 737-1116
Work e-mail: vipt...@rogers.com
Home E-mail: victor.gouv...@rogers.com
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Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!

[Mary]

That's not fair.  I haven't read anywhere here that Mary Ann wanted something 
for nothing.  Nor did anyone else in this thread, at least not that I know of.  

If there is ever a trial period for the Seeing Eye app, I will take advantage 
of it and then decide if the app fills my needs better than those I already 
have.  Since there is currently no trial version, I will not purchase the app 
at this time.  I will not pay $69 plus tax for an app if I can't try it first.  
That goes for any app, not just one made specifically for the blind.

Nightbird

On Jul 3, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Kevin Barry wrote:

 She expects everything for nothing.
 
 At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote:
 Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in 
 order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are 
 not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, 
 and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers.
 I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than 
 this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars.
 If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it 
 works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay 
 for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, 
  it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already 
  written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a 
  case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and 
  stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is 
  outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think 
  they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly 
  gave them one just to speak my mind.
 
  Mary Anne Lynskey
 
 
  On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote:
  At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year 
  subscription.
 
  Chuck (mobile)
  Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
  On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
  Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying 
  for
  rights to use the app?
 
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  and live according to your word.
 
  Verse of the Week
  Proverbs 18:10
  The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it 
  and
  is safe. (ESV)
 
  Prayer:  O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you,
  diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a 
  heart
  to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of 
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  Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia,
  480-547 AD)
  Psalm 23:1-6
  1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want;
  2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still 
  waters;
  3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his 
  name's
  sake.
  4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no
  evil;
  for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
  5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you 
  anoint my
 
  head with oil, my cup overflows.
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  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
  Behalf
  Of Chuck Dean
  Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test.
 
 
  Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my
  neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and 
  took
  a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it
  seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk.
  The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an
  address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already
  entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you
  are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I
  started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app
  uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another 
  voice
  that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with 
  ample
  lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street 
  name
  and the intersection

Re: Seeing eye app feature request

[Mary Otten]

Robert,
You may want to subscribe to the gps-talk list, where the Sendero folks monitor 
the traffic and make your feature suggestion there. I don't think they are on 
this list, so suggesting stuff here won't get to them first hand, I don't 
believe.

Mary

Mary Otten
motte...@gmail.com


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