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*Jones,* *From the Star Scientific Ltd. **Website.* *Muons are the decayed products of pions, and are the catalysts in the fusion of two hydrogen isotopes, a process which releases copious amounts of energy. The beauty of the muon is that it acts very much like an electron whose job it is to bond atoms together into molecules. Since a muon is 207 times heavier than an electron, it bumps the electron out of the way and replaces it. Because the orbit of the heavier muon is much closer, it causes the atoms in the molecule to draw closer until the natural repelling force is overcome* *and a strong nuclear force brings the atoms together – causing them to fuse. This process kicks the muon out to do it all over again some 300 times. This fusion gives us energetic neutrons, which are easily converted to heat in a pressurized water reactor – resulting in steam which can be harnessed to create electricity.* *Mark* Mark Goldes Chairman, CEO, AESOP Energy LLC 707 861-9070 AESOP Institute website: www.aesopinstitute.org On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:54 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > In retrospect - it’s been one helluva month for surprising LENR > revelations… and it could change the way the whole field is viewed (once > the resistance subsides - assuming replication). > > This has nothing, ostensibly… or maybe a lot to do with the harvest-blood > -super-moon eclipse tomorrow J At least there is a “prophecy” angle > which seems to be upsetting to many closely held notions. Can we blame it > on Obama? > > Anyway, first check out this story of Holmlid’s ultradense deuterium and > muons – which we have talked about many times, in pieces, for several > weeks and months: > > *http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/09/near-term-commercial-fusion-power.html* > <http://nextbigfuture.com/2015/09/near-term-commercial-fusion-power.html> > > … and consider that the results, if true, could be much broader. To wit: > > 1) Muons, as the output of LENR, rather elegantly explain the lack > of gammas and neutrons in many if not all past low energy experiments, and > thus the muon finding could be applicable all the way back to P > > 2) Muon detection is specialized. Muons can go through several feet > of solid steel. Few in LENR before Holmlid considered it. > *http://cms.web.cern.ch/news/muon-detectors* > <http://cms.web.cern.ch/news/muon-detectors> > > 3) P could have been inadvertently practicing a version of MCF > (muon catalyzed fusion) but never realized it. > > 4) A source of light appears to be important to muon creation – > suggesting that one of the reasons that cold fusion was difficult to do > consistently could be related to varying illumination, which has never > been a recognized parameter for cold fusion > > 5) “Cold Fusion” would be defined as an amplified version of MCF, the > simple version of which was invented by Luis Alvarez in 1956. > > 6) Few in physics appreciate that muons can be manufactured so > easily. This is almost as disturbing to the mainstream as cold fusion > itself. > > 7) The NYT article is almost unassailable on this priority of first > discovery of MCF by Alvarez. > > 8) The P version, using lithium electrolyte, would then form the > same kind of ultra-dense deuterium on the cathode as does Holmlid. > > 9) The Letts/Cravens effect can be revisited as MCF > > 10) MCF can be expanded to incorporate the Lipinski finding of an > unexpectedly low threshold energy for D fusion (easily supplied by the > momentum of the muon). > http://unifiedgravity.com/resources/Theory-Describing-All-Forces-and-Prediction-of-the-Baryon-Rest-Masses.pdf > > 11) So many muons seem to be forming, and their lifetime is so low, that > when conservation of charge is considered – the muons could be > transferring from another dimension - Dirac’s “sea”… as explicated by > Hotson. Or else muons and anti-muons are both forming. > > 12) We should hope that the community of LENR researchers does not > circle-the-wagons against Holmlid- at least giving him full benefit of > the doubt until results show otherwise. Yet the full implications are > disturbing to those who are fully invested in standard cold fusion > approach of the past 25 years (somewhat ironic, isn’t it) > >
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Japan Fusion Exploring Alternative Muon Catalyzed Approach With UK Japan fusion alternative energy generation through the muon catalyzed approach continues from two sites around the world. Building on long- and well-understood principles, the researchers feel they have a significant chance of success. Their approach parallels the Australian Star Scientific's initiative <http://www.ialtenergy.com/star-scientific.html> but employs a few different techniques. - See more at: http://www.ialtenergy.com/japan-fusion.html#sthash.xMWT1KQk.dpuf Mark Mark Goldes Chairman, CEO, AESOP Energy LLC 707 861-9070 AESOP Institute website: www.aesopinstitute.org
Re: [Vo]:Revelations
All, *Why has muon catalysed fusion not been successful in the past, and how does Star Scientific plan to overcome this?* People have been producing nuclear fusion reactions from muon catalysed fusion for decades – they just haven’t been able to do it consistently, or in sufficient volumes for it to be considered a viable energy source. Star Scientific is developing a method to efficiently and consistently produce pions, and hence muons economically – and these muons are the catalyst for fusion energy. *How will Star Scientific overcome the “alpha sticking problem” which has caused many scientists to abandon research into muon catalysed fusion?* The ‘alpha sticking problem’ refers to the concern that during the muon catalysed reaction, some muons – about 1% to 2% – bond with the by-products instead of catalysing. This reduces the number of muons available to liberate energy, and therefore the energy output. Star Scientific is perfecting a method to constantly produce pions, which immediately decay into muons, which means the natural loss of some muons during the reaction is of no consequence. *How has Star Scientific addressed the issue of energy input vs output in creating fusion energy?* Energy input versus output is an issue with plasma fusion, not muon catalysed fusion. Plasma fusion consumes 18 times more energy than it produces. The Star Scientific system requires very little energy to run, which means 99% of the energy liberated by the fusion reaction is available for use. *Has your muon catalysed fusion system been independently tested?* Our system has undergone, and continues to undergo, rigorous testing by our own team of scientists as well as leading, independent global experts from around the world. As long as our IP is protected, we have an open door policy where results measurement is concerned to ensure this technology can be officially evaluated and then shared with the world as soon as possible. There is also a Joint Japanese - UK effort involved with developing muon catalyzed fusion. Mark Mark Goldes Chairman, CEO, AESOP Energy LLC 707 861-9070 AESOP Institute website: www.aesopinstitute.org On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 7:08 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > *From:* Eric Walker > > > > Ø It's a source of concern that the evidence both for ultradense > deuterium and for the different branching fractions all go back to Holmlid. > > > > Yes, but he has worked with many respected collaborators, including Miley > and Winterberg. He has over 80 peer reviewed publications, which only goes > part of the way. > > > > Hopefully, we will see replication from an independent party soon. Holmlid > does not seem to be holding back any details – and he says that > off-the-shelf catalyst works. He has patent filings in place – so there is > less reason to try to deceive. > > > > Anyone got a muon detector handy? > > >
Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES
David, Robin, all, You may find SECOND LAW SURPRISES under MORE at aesopinstitute.org of interest. Mark Mark Goldes Chairman, CEO, AESOP Energy LLC 707 861-9070 AESOP Institute website: www.aesopinstitute.org On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 6:05 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: > Robin, > > I think we are on the same frequency in this quest. It appears that any > non linear process that can be coaxed into converting the kinetic energy > due to thermal motion into potential energy of some type will achieve the > goal. > > The second law must be based upon linear behavior of gasses, etc. and may > fail to cover non linear processes on occasion leading to violations. Of > course Maxwell's demon is clearly non linear since it is either completely > open or closed depending upon the magnitude of the kinetic energy of the > incoming particle. I suppose you could consider it related to an > electrical diode acting upon a series combination of DC and AC voltage. > You only see the value of the combination once it exceeds a fixed total > voltage magnitude.Another interesting comparison is that the waveform > ahead of the diode is clipped and reduced in RMS magnitude when the diode > conducts. Here I am assuming that the voltage source has a finite > resistance that is comparable to the load resistance following the series > connected diode. > > The evaporation process appears to have exactly this behavior. And, it > leads to cooling of the remaining liquid. I do not follow your second > example. > > The LED example seems to demonstrate a method which allows for the > elevation of kinetic energy into potential energy of electron orbitals > which can then be released to pass freely out of the system, taking some of > the kinetic energy away, leading to overall cooling of the remaining > material. > > These processes appear to be violations of the laws. > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > From: mixent <mix...@bigpond.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 6:59 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP > ENERGY ENGINES > > In reply to David Roberson's message of Fri, 25 Sep 2015 15:40:33 -0400: > Hi > Dave, > [snip] > >This discussion is interesting. Perhaps the existing > thermodynamic laws apply mainly to black body types of interactions when > radiation is associated. Clearly the light emitted by an LED is not of that > nature. It is narrow band radiation at a level that is much higher in these > bands than would be expected according to the temperature of the > device. > > > >Also, the DC input power contributes a significant portion of the > net radiation output in a direct conversion process. This behavior is very > unlike most of the systems used to derive the thermodynamic laws. Perhaps > there > really does exist at least this one loophole that can be breached. > > > >A clear > understanding of exactly how the random thermal motion within the LED can be > converted into light at this level of efficiency would be desirable. Could it > be that the random peaks in thermal energy that follow a Gaussian distribution > are the key? Near the thermal peak one might find that a little help from the > DC source is sufficient to cause electrons to jump into higher orbitals. If > enough of these occur in a short period of time a population inversion may > come > into existance which would then drain the excess energy by positive feedback > and > subsequent radiation pulses. The excess energy would have to come from that > random thermal motion that was tapped leading to cooling of the device. > > > >Is > this an example of an atomic Maxwell's demon? > > It sounds a little like what I > have tried to describe previously with > evaporation. When water evaporates, only > the fastest molecules make the grade, > which essentially comprises a Maxwell > demon. This process converts the kinetic > energy of the fast molecules into > potential energy, and leaves the slow > molecules behind in the liquid, which is > then cooler as a consequence. > (We call a common example "wind chill".) > > By > jumping to a higher orbital, in your description here above, kinetic energy > is > also converted into potential energy. > > I have in the past also suggested a > setup where a plastic with an attached > charged ligand that was free to rotate, > was placed in a resonant chamber with a > magnetic field which would convert > microwaves into DC, thus preventing a two way > flow of energy. That also > constitutes a form of Maxwell demon, as the chamber > would appear as a cold sink > to the material. The chamber is tuned to resonate at > the same frequency as the > rotation frequency of the ligand. The general purpose > of this setup is to > convert random motion into ordered motion (thermal energy > into > DC). > > Regards, > > Robin van > Spaandonk > http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html > >
Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES
*AAESOP’s *LITTLE ENGINE THAT COULD CHANGE THE WORLD (from the aesopinstitute.org website) The conversion of a small Briggs & Stratton engine to run without fuel is now underway. This Fuel-Free, scalable, modified engine (and proprietary future piston and turbine engines) designed to never need fuel will run 24/7 on Atmospheric Heat, *a vast, untapped reservoir of solar energy larger than all the world’s fossil fuel reserves.* PHASE TWO: Following the small Briggs & Stratton gasoline engine conversion prototype, AESOP will build a proprietary Rauen 4 cylinder fuel-free piston engine. 3-D printing will produce components. A 4 cylinder prototype can deliver several hundred watts to prove the concept. Commercial gen-sets rated at 1 kW and 10 kW will follow. These engines will later power 100 kW gen-sets. They can also convert heat from LENR to electricity. Ken Rauen’s engine concept, U.S. Patent #6,698,200 (and Chris Hunter’s conversion of a FORD engine) proved the Second Law of Thermodynamics requires modification. AESOP Energy will develop five of Ken Rauen’s engines. Each designed to run 24/7 on atmospheric heat (“heat of ambient air”). Unlike converted engines, four unique designs require no internal propane refrigerant. The temperature in space is - 454.72 o F.50 o F. on Earth is more than 500o higher. Think of our atmosphere as a gigantic solar energy storage system. Unlike traditional engines, these engines do not depend upon resource depleting, polluting, limited availability, limited reliability, scarce, and costly resources. These revolutionary engines will help accomplish rapid reduction of the need for fossil fuels. Mark Goldes Chairman, CEO, AESOP Energy LLC 707 861-9070 AESOP Institute website: www.aesopinstitute.org On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com> wrote: > I wrote: > > >> 3. Oil is cheap now mainly because of fracking. This is also lowering the >> cost of natural gas, which will lower the cost of electricity in the near >> future. >> > > Meanwhile, in Texas at night they will sometimes pay you to use > electricity. The cost is negative: > > > http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2015/09/texas_electricity_goes_negative_wind_power_was_so_plentiful_one_night_that.html > > They get 9% of the their electricity from wind, and 40% at night > sometimes. The best deal would be to use an electric car in Texas with a > smart power meter and recharger, giving you a discount during off-peak > hours, and a super discount when the cost of electricity goes negative. > > - Jed > >
Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES
these engines is available with a signed NDA. Mark Mark Goldes Chairman, CEO, AESOP Energy LLC 707 861-9070 AESOP Institute website: www.aesopinstitute.org On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 1:10 PM, Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: > The resent work by Holmlid show that muons are produced by rydberg matter. > I now believe that rydberg matter was a product of the Papp engine plasma > process. > > Notice that both Holmlid and Papp produce no heat and very high speed > neutral particles from explosive rydberg matter fragments. > > The Papp engine produced excess electrons as a decay product of muon > production as seen by Holmlid. Papp used alpha decay from radium to extract > these excess electrons to power an super capacitor based alternating duel > cylinder system. Without this radioactive charge capturing system, the Papp > engine does not work. No radium means no electron capture. The arc > discharge from the "bucket" electrodes that held the radium greatly > increased the positive charge produced by alpha decay of the radium as a > LENR based reaction. This extremely high positive charge on the electrodes > is what attracted the excess electrons from the plasma and produced the > back current that drove the piston firing cycle. > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> wrote: > >> Well, OTEC is a good metaphor – but without disagreeing with Jed’s >> assessment, the operative detail left out is that empty “space” is a >> rguably the virtual heat sink which would express temperatures near >> absolute zero (on paper). The idea is that ambient heat transfers to a >> virtual heat sink, which is very cold. >> >> Of course, the normal way to do this is via a refrigerant, but >> refrigeration takes work. Mark mentions propane – a refrigerant (it is >> not burned). For Papp, xenon and other noble gases do the same. Can one >> cool via a refrigerant using the same work which is later harvested? >> Mainstream science of course says … (shouts)… NO WAY. >> >> Anyone who witnesses a bona fide the Papp replication attempt (not the >> “popper” LOL) … often comments that the engine runs cold. Why? It is >> part of the M.O. >> >> I suspect, but do not know – that Rauen’s engine will run cold (assuming >> it is working). I hope to be among the first to witness this. >> >> *From:* Jed Rothwell >> >> Jones Beene <*jone...@pacbell.net* <jone...@pacbell.net>> wrote: >> >> Like the Papp engine, there will be strong disagreement over the >> thermodynamic issues involved . . . >> >> That is putting it mildly! I think most people would say it is a >> flat-violation of the laws of thermodynamics. You cannot run anything on >> "atmospheric heat" because the atmospheric temperature is uniform, except >> on a giant scale that I do not think any human technology can achieve at >> present. I guess you could tap atmospheric heat if the heat sink is outside >> the atmosphere, like a gargantuan OTEC generator in air instead of water. >> >> >> >> As for Papp, there is an overload of worthless anecdote still floating >> around the net, but no independent evidence to suggest that a functional >> prototype was ever built. It is all “stand” (with lots of arm waving) >> and no “deliver”. >> >> Ha, ha! Well said. >> >> One thing for sure, Papp and Rossi seem to have been cast from the same >> mold – part inventor, part showman, and 100% controversial. >> >> Yup. >> >> >
Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES
The new prototype is a conversion of a small engine. A Ford engine has already been converted by an inventor. Both require filling with Propane. His old Ford engine seals leaked propane as the internal pressure is great. He ran the Ford engine at 1,300 rpm to prove it could be done. We have improved the seals on the small engine and hope they will withstand the high pressure. If not, we have a solution but if that is needed it may only allow conversion of stationary engines. We are hoping car engines might be converted as well. The conversion is nearing completion. All the machine shop work is done. A few more weeks should tell the tale. The four cylinder design is an engine designed to run without fuel. It will need no propane. If it runs as expected it opens the door to AESOP's other fuel-free engine designs, which include both a shaft-turbine and a pure jet engine. Experiments rather than arguments will decide these issues. Mark Mark Goldes Chairman, CEO, AESOP Energy LLC 707 861-9070 AESOP Institute website: www.aesopinstitute.org On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:58 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: > It is unfortunate that the prototype did not run per your note. If it > had run as expected then you might find stronger acceptance of the concept. > > Perhaps the inventors are mistaken in their understanding and the meters which > indicated positive results were misread or interpreted incorrectly. As > you are well aware, it is quite easy to make mistakes in these types of > measurements. > > Also, since the current understanding of the laws of thermodynamics would > strongly indicate that the machine could not function as expected, and that > is what was seen, perhaps those laws are correct. It is going to be > necessary for inventors making a claim of this nature to prove that they > are not attempting the impossible. So far that standard has not been > achieved. > > Heat energy is systematically converted into thermal radiation which can > then leave the local thermal environment. This radiation can drive photo > cells producing electricity that can be converted into mechanical energy. > In a way, this is equivalent to what is claimed except that the radiation > leaves the local region instead of remaining. If it can be shown that > photo cells located within the single sink can produce electrical energy > that is tapped, then you might well be able to prove your supposition. > > Does anyone know of experiments that demonstrate that photo cells can > convert heat or light radiation from a sink in which they are located > directly into electrical power? It is obvious that this is true for cell > located at a distance contained within a cooler sink. My bet is that the > conversion efficiency approaches zero as the temperature of the two sinks > become equal. If not, then the invention has possible merit. > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > From: Mark Goldes <m...@aesopenergy.com> > To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> > Sent: Thu, Sep 24, 2015 4:32 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP > ENERGY ENGINES > > Guys, > Rauen patented a series of thermodynamic cycles (US #6,698,200) and > designed and built a prototype of an engine concept that embodies the > Proell effect. The prototype did not run due to poor piston seals and > excessive friction of its moving parts. Pressure instrumentation of the > motored engine showed the theoretically identified cycle was occurring, but > work generated did not exceed losses. Corrections to the design were > precluded by lack of funds. Instrumentation showed the process did work. > The science was right, but the engineering was wrong. A different > mechanical configuration was needed for practical engines. Rauen gave > lectures about his work on the Proell effect and its application in heat > engines at three international science conferences. Physics professors > attended all three. None found flaws. From a practical point of view, it > has passed peer review. Several mathematical proofs exist. > Rauen experimentally verified a thermodynamic process proposed by Wayne > Proell, which he named: “the Proell effect.” It is the complete energy > transfer analysis of the constant volume (isometric) process of classical > thermodynamics as applied to displacement and regeneration, found in the > Stirling Cycle. The Stirling Cycle has two constant volume processes that > negate the Proell effect around one cycle by equal and opposite energy > flows, so conventional thermodynamics had no reason to study the details as > Proell did. Classical thermodynamics missed this opportunity. The upshot of > the Proell effect is that thermal energy is transferred across macroscopic >
[Vo]:CONVERTING LENR HEAT INTO ELECTRICITY WITH UNIQUE AESOP ENERGY ENGINES
The Fuel-Free piston engines of Aesop Energy, LLC, may be useful to those interested in using LENR to produce electricity. At least one LENR company is developing a Stirling engine, which almost certainly is a high-tech design, in order to be powerful and efficient. Still, it is Carnot limited and will have an actual efficiency below its Carnot efficiency. It also must reject heat as a waste product. Efficiency will undoubtedly be below 50% and may be much less. AESOP Energy piston engines are not Carnot limited. The high temperatures developed by LENR will push the materials envelope to state-of-the-art, high-tech science & technology. High temperature Stirlings will be expensive. The Stirling & heat generator combination will also require waste heat exchangers to dissipate unused heat. Where electric power is the goal, the use of Aesop Energy's Fuel-Free Engines could streamline LENR development time and ultimate product costs. The Aesop engines are low to medium tech and are likely to be less costly to manufacture. They may be no more expensive and need less R development time and materials to prove. No waste heat exchangers are necessary. Getting the heat into AESOP Energy’s Fuel-Free engines at elevated input temperatures, will be relatively easy. See the link to the AESOP Institute website below.for more information about these seemingly impossible engines. Mark Goldes Chairman, CEO, AESOP Energy LLC 707 861-9070 AESOP Institute website: www.aesopinstitute.org
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Many thanks. This is extremely interesting!
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group brought this 20 year old VIMEO video on controversialnew claims of Heat
(CF) to the group's attention because Dr. Mills shows up around21:30. Very
interesting historical account as the narrator talks about Millswork with
Thermacore working with nickel and hydrogen where excess heat wasbeing
generated. The video helps document the fact that BLP had its originalroots in
cold fusion research where apparently they were getting excessheat.
Ofcourse there are some clips from John Huizenga labeling Cold Fusion research
aspathological science around 26:30. Ofmore interest to me was a brief
talk with M. Fleishman where he comments, 27:20about the need to distinguish
the difference between claims of PathologicalScience versus Pathological
Criticism. I never heard thephrase pathological Criticism before! That was a
good one! Enjoy! http://vimeo.com/9438745 Regards, StevenVincent
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RE: [Vo]:[OT] A Commentary re: CAPITAL in the Twenty-First Century, by Thomas Piketty
Vorts, http://www.foreconomicjustice.org/12000/trickle-up-economics This commentary by Gary Reber on Thomas Piketty's book CAPITAL opens a path to a program offering a dramatic reduction of inequality independent of jobs and savings. Best, Mark Mark Goldes CEO AESOP Institute Co-Founder CHAVA Energy www.aesopinstitute.org www.chavaenergy.com 707 861-9070 707 280-8210 cell From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 7:05 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:[OT] But not entirely: Book: CAPITAL in the Twenty-First Century, by Thomas Piketty Vorts, A book recommendation: http://www.amazon.com/Capital-Twenty-First-Century-Thomas-Piketty/dp/067443000X/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1398126885sr=1-1keywords=capital+in+the+twenty-first+century http://tinyurl.com/l77z5og I suspect we are likely to hear a lot more about a popular book on economics called CAPITAL in the Twenty-First Century, by Thomas Piketty. The author has become somewhat of rock-star celebrity in many economic circles, as well as a pariah in others. The fact that his book has effected so many readers so quickly, both pro and con, suggest to me that Pketty is probably on to something serious, and we should take note. We in the USA have only begun to hear about Piketty's 700+ page book because it has only recently been translated from French (his native language) into English. In a nutshell, Piketty claims the growing inequality of wealth distribution is due primarily to a single economic action: When the rate of return on capital—the annual income it generates divided by its market value—is higher than the economy’s growth rate, capital income will tend to rise faster than wages and salaries, which rarely grow faster than G.D.P. ...and where does all of this accumulated capital end up? Well, that is the question! To quote the New Yorker review: If ownership of capital were distributed equally, this wouldn’t matter much. We’d all share in the rise in profits and dividends and rents. But in the United States in 2010, for example, the richest ten per cent of households owned seventy per cent of all the country’s wealth (a good surrogate for “capital”), and the top one per cent of households owned thirty-five per cent of the wealth. By contrast, the bottom half of households owned just five per cent. When income generated by capital grows rapidly, the richest families benefit disproportionately. Since 2009, corporate profits, dividend payouts, and the stock market have all risen sharply, but wages have barely budged. As a result, according to calculations by Piketty and Saez, almost all of the income growth in the economy between 2010 and 2012—ninety-five per cent of it—accrued to the one per cent. ... ... The New Yorker Review: http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2014/03/31/140331crbo_books_cassidy?currentPage=all According to my understanding a major reason inequality of wealth in places like the United States is getting worse and will continue to get worse unless something is done about it soon, according to Piketty, is the fact that massive amounts accumulated wealth are now being passed down from generation to generation. The trend for inherited wealth is increasing. Those who have accumulated massive amounts of capital (and the power that goes along with it) have been able to successfully rewrite the tax code. Inheritance taxes and other taxation equalizer mechanisms that in the past helped redistribute the tendency for wealth to accumulate like cancerous tumors that could eventually kill the host have been rendered useless. How did this happen? Politics of course! Piketty states that economics and politics can't be separated from each other. More from the New Yorker: Piketty believes that the rise in inequality can’t be understood independently of politics. For his new book, he chose a title evoking Marx, but he doesn’t think that capitalism is doomed, or that ever-rising inequality is inevitable. There are circumstances, he concedes, in which incomes can converge and the living standards of the masses can increase steadily—as happened in the so-called Golden Age, from 1945 to 1973. But Piketty argues that this state of affairs, which many of us regard as normal, may well have been a historical exception. The “forces of divergence can at any point regain the upper hand, as seems to be happening now, at the beginning of the twenty-first century,” he writes. And, if current trends continue, “the consequences for the long-term dynamics of the wealth distribution are potentially terrifying.” A real irony here is the fact that a couple of centuries ago our forefathers escaped Europe to get away from the unfairness inherited accumulated wealth wreaked on those who by birthright had not been bequeathed a pile of cash. And now, we are on the brink of recreating the very same specter we
RE: [Vo]:Tech Predictions
Fukushima remains an unsolved technical threat to us all. A M8 earthquake alert has been issued by two Japanese government agencies. “Another earthquake 8.0 or higher at Fukushima-Daiichi could topple the spent fuel pool sitting 100 feet in the air on top of the damaged building of Unit 4. This would start an unquenchable nuclear fire, forcing evacuation of the entire site. Within a week or two the other 3 reactors would heat up and explode. The resulting release of radioactivity would equal between 40 and 85 Chernobyls, which, according to some sources would be enough to (cause sufficient deadly cancers to) render Japan, the U.S. west coast, and perhaps the Northern Hemisphere uninhabitable.”Carol Wolman M.D. See FUKUSHIMA, A NEW FIX by W. Scott Smith If you know any top flight structural engineers, give him a call at 509 216 3545 or drop him a line at scott...@hotmail.com This is an existing technical problem and I'm sure he would welcome your suggestions. Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Edmund Storms [stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 3:42 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Tech Predictions Now Jed, you are agreeing with my conclusion. Should I take the opposite view as you normally do? My belief is that mankind will eventually find ways and means to destroy all life as we know it. We are almost at this level now. The only question is whether these means will be used. That is where the nature of the mind and its irrational features become important. Will the leaders be able to control insanity in the population effectively or will these leaders be insane themselves? People in the US are now trying to find ways to control the insanity that occurs on a small but growing scale, which shows itself most vividly when schools are shot up. How do we control the insanity that the suicide bomber exhibits by exploding car bombs in the heart of a city? Where does the insanity of leaders in North Korea end? Now, as you note, drones may give everyone a tool to gum up the works. Ed On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.commailto:dlrober...@aol.com wrote: We have survived this long by some means so I assume that we will continue to do so into the future. I do not see the logic of that! That is like saying we have survived countless wars, so why should we worry about a full-scale nuclear war? In 1914 people said war is war, machine guns will not make much difference, and valor will win the day just as it always has. They were wrong. 9 million soldiers were killed. Valor made no difference in the face of artillery and poison gas. Technology can profoundly affect the nature of war, or domestic violence, for that matter. Suppose those autonomous little cold fusion powered robot killing machines I have predicted become possible. Suppose they become very cheap and reliable. Anyone, anywhere will be able to murder anyone else. I mean anyone anywhere in the world, without getting caught, and without leaving a trace of evidence. Think about that if you want a case of the heebee jeebees! Think of all the people who want to kill political leaders. Or the jihadists who have it in for authors such as Rusdie, and film makers. Or any disgruntled ex-husband, or some nut who has it in for one group or another: homosexuals, black people, Catholic School girls . . . I can think of many other nightmare scenarios. I put a few in my book. I left out some, too. I do not think cold fusion can easily be used to make small nuclear bombs. But if it can, it might lead to worst catastrophe in human history. I have been aware of this for a long time. I discussed it with Martin Fleischmann and others. As I said, we have been thinking about ways to deal with the problem. There may not be any good way! - Jed
[Vo]:How droplets adhere
This may be of interest... http://www.spacemart.com/reports/Thats_the_way_the_droplets_adhere_999.html Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
[Vo]:star shaped gravity waves
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/23/star-shaped-gravity-waves-physicists-france_n_2744664.html?ir=Science Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
[Vo]:Teen Develops Cold Fusion in his garage
http://www.greenwooddemocrat.com/articles/2013/02/20/front/wilson022013.txt Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
[Vo]:Engineer's Comment That May be of Interest
As an Energy Engineer who works in this field, I can say the practical development implementation of this technology is not the biggest hurdle to overcome, we already use a form of it on board satellites we send to the outermost regions of the solar system where using solar cells to recharge on-board batteries are useless, instead we use fission technology to maintain stable power generation in those satellites. The biggest hurdle with adapting fission as point of use technology will be regulatory. Look at the politics involved in the implementation of fracking technology used in shale oil extraction, it is fraught more with politics than the science of developing it to make it environmentally practical for useful application. As fearful as some people are of fracking, when the same ones hear the word nuclear, this will so cower politicians that the technology may never be realized. Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-02-nuclear-reactor-basement.html#jCp Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
[Vo]:uncertainty-principle-measured-macro-scale
http://www.livescience.com/27137-uncertainty-principle-measured-macro-scale.html Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
[Vo]:FW: Record High Field Electromagnet
Vo, FYI Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: noreply+feedpr...@google.com [noreply+feedpr...@google.com] On Behalf Of Terra Magnetica [gpha...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 11:49 AM To: Mark Goldes Subject: Terra Magnetica Terra Magneticahttp://www.terramagnetica.com [http://gmodules.com/ig/images/plus_google.gif] http://fusion.google.com/add?source=atgsfeedurl=http://feeds.feedburner.com/TerraMagnetica USA Reclaims World Record For Highest Field Resistive Electromagnethttp://feedproxy.google.com/~r/TerraMagnetica/~3/-2If_irhI9E/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=email Posted: 08 Jan 2010 05:00 AM PST The engineers and scientists at the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory [NHMFL] in Florida, announced this week that they had successfully tested a new resistive electromagnet that produces a magnetic field strength of 36 teslahttp://www.fsu.edu/news/2010/01/06/record.magnet/ (360 kilo-oersted), breaking the old record of 35 tesla (350 kilo-oersted) previously held jointly between the NHMFL and the Grenoble High Magnetic Field Laboratory in France. The device is actually an upgrade to an existing electromagnet, and uses a special coil design called a Bitter solenoid, in order to generate the intense magnetic field. This design, first invented by Prof. Francis Bitter while working at MIT prior to World War Two, consists of stacks of copper plates, instead of wire coils, in order to carry the massive currents that are required for the electromagnet. The working inner bore of the new magnet is approximately 32 mm [1.25 inches] in diameter. The increment from 35 T to 36 T came from creating a new arrangement of the copper plates in the Bitter solenoid. The researchers at the NHMFL plan to apply this new arrangement and upgrade the rest of the electromagnets at the lab, in order to increase the overall magnetic output of each. As an added bonus, according to laboratory: [t]his cost-neutral modification means a higher magnetic field can be created using the same amount of power, 20 megawatts. By comparison, the magnet at the Grenoble High Magnetic Field Laboratory achieves its 35 tesla using 22.5 megawatts of power. [http://www.terramagnetica.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/frog.jpg] Frog levitating in a 16 T resistive electromagnet (image courtesy of High Field Magnet Laboratory, Radboud University Nijmegen 2005) To put this into context, 20 megawatts of electricity is enough electricity to power around 6,000-7,000 average American homes. A 2.5 MW saving in electricity [equivalent to the power produced by a commercial scale wind turbine these days], for the same magnetic output, is therefore pretty significant. During a visit to the NHMFL a few years ago, I was told that the laboratory is required to give plenty of notice to the local municipality in Tallahassee before switching on their electromagnets, because of the massive current draw on the local grid that they cause. It was in a very high field electromagnet of this type, that the famous picture of the floating frog shown here, was taken some years ago. The strong diamagnetic effect of the electromagnet, on the water molecules in the frog’s body, is enough to counter the effects of gravity. When not levitating amphibians and other objects, researchers use these types of very strong electromagnets for physics and materials science research. You are subscribed to email updates from Terra Magneticahttp://www.terramagnetica.com To stop receiving these emails, you may unsubscribe nowhttp://feedburner.google.com/fb/a/mailunsubscribe?k=MjGySBgP4QF52XbHaXslgJpldgE. Email delivery powered by Google Google Inc., 20 West Kinzie, Chicago IL USA 60610
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Ed, This is another reason why Second Incomes not dependent upon jobs or savings are becoming so important. When a substantial portion of income,the goal is half by about age 50, is derived from diversified investments - individuals have the time and money to pursue more of what they want to do, rather then what they are forced to do by circumstance. Aesop Institute intends to offer an on-line course about this plan, and the binary economics invented by Louis Kelso that led him to develop the Second Income idea. Gary Reber, who will develop the course, has a website foreconomicjustice.org devoted to the subject. Second Incomes on the www.aesopinstitute.org website provides additional information for anyone who might be interested. Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Edmund Storms [stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:07 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:57 AM, James Bowery wrote: The low wage argument doesn't wash. The H-1b workers are not being paid below minimum wage and that's what the un/deremployed older engineers are getting. What is going on is an individualist culture is being taken over by, not one, but multiple nepotistic cultures. This might be true on a few occasions, but it is not true throughout the economy based on my experience. I would like to hear from some people who actually decide whom to hire. Is this conclusion by David valid? Ed On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.commailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Thanks Jim for making my comment more vivid. The situation is growing worse and your personal experience is one of many tragic consequences. The driving force behind hiring is the cost of labor. People from other countries are cheaper, the young are cheaper, and the robots are cheaper. This cost is not just salary. The cost of healthcare, pension, and general overhead is high. As you made clear, the quality of the person is not what matters in many industries, only the cost. The standard of living in the US is adjusting downward and everybody is suffering. When the inflation being created by the Federal Reserve increases in ernest, our pain will increase again. On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:09 AM, James Bowery wrote: Garbage. I know lots of US engineers who have been out of work for years and are not being hired even though they are doing occasional contract work at what amounts to below minimum wage. These aren't just any old engineers. They include guys who built the Internet and have current skills. Clue: HP spent a half billion dollars on Internet Chapter 2. Due to my long history with the Internet (chief architect of ATT's foray into electronic newspapers with Knight-Rider 1982 as well as previously being on the PLATO system programming staff for CDC), they tried to get me in and I repeatedly declined because what they said they were doing made no sense and I knew exactly what was needed for Internet Chapter 2 having, in my capacity with ATT, worked directly with David P. Reed during the time he was authoring the End to End Arguments paper. I finally agreed to come on board if they would let me have a little corner of the project -- remember we're talking $500M of risk capital here -- the largest single lump-sum invested during the dotcom bubble and it was being invested by Silicon Valley's founding company. All I wanted was one guy:. A PhD with a specialty in a branch of relational mathematics who happened to have the unfortunate characteristic of being a US citizen. My request for this consultant was declined but I was offered all the H-1b visas from India I wanted. Literally. Guess what ethnicity was of the guy in charge of that project? The Fortune 500 is now taken over by India. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.commailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Not just sad but scary because such an apparent lack of education is revealed in the comments. We all agree that standards have been lowered for both high-school and college degrees. As a result, many graduates are qualified only for low skilled jobs. Consequently, a big push is now underway by companies that have high skilled jobs to open more visa opportunities for skilled people from other countries to work here. Naturally, these skilled people are cheaper to hire than the older skilled people who are already here, which provides the basic incentive. I fear how the growing number of uneducated people will vote in the future. The population is almost equally divided now between people who do not have a clue and people who still can understand what is happening. The future does not look good. On Jan 29
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Ed, What is important to recognize about this economic invention - is that it is not related to jobs or savings. This is a revolutionary idea - with potential impact at least as great as LENR. If opens a path to the most genuinely free society in human history. And can be adapted in most industrial nations. Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Edmund Storms [stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:35 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment I agree Mark, a second income is important. Cold fusion had provided that for me until recently. Nevertheless, I find that a second income is not easy to achieve while still having time for anything else. Of course, giving a course on second income can be a second income.;-) A friend makes soup and sells it to her neighbors, who fortunately have enough money to buy soup. Another friend cleans houses, so jobs are available that can supplement a less than adequate income from a regular job - so I see your point. Ed On Jan 29, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Mark Goldes wrote: Ed, This is another reason why Second Incomes not dependent upon jobs or savings are becoming so important. When a substantial portion of income,the goal is half by about age 50, is derived from diversified investments - individuals have the time and money to pursue more of what they want to do, rather then what they are forced to do by circumstance. Aesop Institute intends to offer an on-line course about this plan, and the binary economics invented by Louis Kelso that led him to develop the Second Income idea. Gary Reber, who will develop the course, has a website foreconomicjustice.org devoted to the subject. Second Incomes on the www.aesopinstitute.org website provides additional information for anyone who might be interested. Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Edmund Storms [stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 10:07 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:57 AM, James Bowery wrote: The low wage argument doesn't wash. The H-1b workers are not being paid below minimum wage and that's what the un/deremployed older engineers are getting. What is going on is an individualist culture is being taken over by, not one, but multiple nepotistic cultures. This might be true on a few occasions, but it is not true throughout the economy based on my experience. I would like to hear from some people who actually decide whom to hire. Is this conclusion by David valid? Ed On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.commailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Thanks Jim for making my comment more vivid. The situation is growing worse and your personal experience is one of many tragic consequences. The driving force behind hiring is the cost of labor. People from other countries are cheaper, the young are cheaper, and the robots are cheaper. This cost is not just salary. The cost of healthcare, pension, and general overhead is high. As you made clear, the quality of the person is not what matters in many industries, only the cost. The standard of living in the US is adjusting downward and everybody is suffering. When the inflation being created by the Federal Reserve increases in ernest, our pain will increase again. On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:09 AM, James Bowery wrote: Garbage. I know lots of US engineers who have been out of work for years and are not being hired even though they are doing occasional contract work at what amounts to below minimum wage. These aren't just any old engineers. They include guys who built the Internet and have current skills. Clue: HP spent a half billion dollars on Internet Chapter 2. Due to my long history with the Internet (chief architect of ATT's foray into electronic newspapers with Knight-Rider 1982 as well as previously being on the PLATO system programming staff for CDC), they tried to get me in and I repeatedly declined because what they said they were doing made no sense and I knew exactly what was needed for Internet Chapter 2 having, in my capacity with ATT, worked directly with David P. Reed during the time he was authoring the End to End Arguments paper. I finally agreed to come on board if they would let me have a little corner of the project -- remember we're talking $500M of risk capital here -- the largest single lump-sum invested during the dotcom bubble and it was being invested by Silicon Valley's founding company. All I wanted
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Time to work toward implementing a Second Income Plan. The idea originated with the late Louis O. Kelso, father of the Employee Stock Ownership Plan used by 11,000 companies. It does not depend upon jobs or savings. See SECOND INCOMES at www.aesopinstitute.org for the most recent version. Kelso saw automation coming. He believed it could liberate humans from toil, work we do not choose to do. He believed that by about age 50 almost everyone in America could receive sufficient income from diversified investments to allow toil to drop to perhaps 20 hours per week. That achievement could make possible the first genuinely free society in human history. If we are wise, we will bring it into being as rapidly as is humanly possible. Here is a link to an excellent article about Kelso’s ideas: We Are For Economic Justice by Gary Reber http://foreconomicjustice.org/11/economic-justice/#comment-2388 Poverty would be eradicated and inequality dramatically reduced in a manner totally consistent with our highest ideals. Enact the Capital Homestead Act to create new owners of future productive capital investment in businesses simultaneously with the growth of the economy and thereby broaden private, individual ownership of America's future capital wealth. The CHA would enable every man, woman and child to establish a Capital Homestead Account or CHA (a super-IRA or asset tax-shelter for citizens) at their local bank to acquire a growing dividend-bearing stock portfolio to supplement their incomes from work and all other sources of income. This link provides a video introduction to this plan: http://youtu.be/odDGX8q2o3I Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Randy wuller [rwul...@freeark.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:07 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment Call it social security, call it a citizen dividend, call it whatever you want, if world productivity continues to increase (ie, more is available to distribute) so will the give away to those living and not producing or not producing much. Even if no one is working we will find a way to allocate the goods to those living on this planet, unless you want to give it to the robots who are doing the work. In essence funding is unnecessary, allocating the productions is all that is needed. Many of you are missing the point of the article on automation, the only thing that really matters is whether the pie increases and it is, dividing it up is never easy but will always be resolved by some method. However as to the method, what I am hearing is this antiquated notion that Human Beings are really productive today or ultimately needed for production. That may be true of some of us but far fewer then in the past and far more today then will be needed in the future. Most of us even now are just entertaining each other. It is made up work. Everyone needs to get used to it and we really do need to find a better way to allocate the productivity of the world. The problem in a service society is average ability is practically unwanted. We all want the services of those on the edge of the bell shaped curve (those with something exceptional to give), so those are the ones who get paid a lot. Everyone else is interchangeable and not worth spit and paid accordingly. So is that how you all want to allocate resources in the future? A tiny portion of the world population have 99% of what is produced and everyone else lives poorly (keeping in mind that we will be able to produce enough to allow everyone to live like the kings of the past if we want.) I don't think that is such a good idea, We need a better way to allocate production. We also need to expand beyond this planet to give us something to do before we go stir crazy. - Original Message - From: Chris Zellmailto:chrisz...@wetmtv.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 2:38 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment Business Insider recently reported that Krugman may be discreetly admitting that he has made a serious oversight with regard to the viability of Social Security. Automation is eliminating jobs at such a rate that the payroll tax funding source may be in peril. From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 3:30 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Ed Storms wrote: Thanks Mark. Their view of reality differs significantly from what the people I read describe. I tend to believe my people because they predicted the 2008 collapse while
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Ed, Yes. Time will tell. But the solution to our economic dilemmas requires bold thinking. SECOND INCOMES and HUMAN INVESTMENT TAX CREDITS can make a huge contribution. Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Edmund Storms [stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 1:14 PM To: Mark Goldes Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment Thanks Mark. Their view of reality differs significantly from what the people I read describe. I tend to believe my people because they predicted the 2008 collapse while Krugman did not. In fact the difference is frightening similar to that earlier. Krugman sees no problem with the status quo while the people I read are in a panic. I expect we will have to wait and see who is right once again and then pick up the pieces afterward. Perhaps if Krugman et al. are wrong again, they can be ignored next time. Ed On Jan 27, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Mark Goldes wrote: Ed, Here is a clear answer regarding the deficit that recently appeared in a Krugman column in the NY Times Mr. Obama’s clearly deliberate neglect of Washington’s favorite obsession was just the latest sign that the self-styled deficit hawks — better described as deficit scolds — are losing their hold over political discourse. And that’s a very good thing. Why have the deficit scolds lost their grip? I’d suggest four interrelated reasons. First, they have cried wolf too many times. They’ve spent three years warning of imminent crisis — if we don’t slash the deficit now now now, we’ll turn into Greece, Greece, I tell you. It is, for example, almost two years since Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles declared that we should expect a fiscal crisis within, um, two years. But that crisis keeps not happening. The still-depressed economy has kept interest rates at near-record lows despite large government borrowing, just as Keynesian economists predicted all along. So the credibility of the scolds has taken an understandable, and well- deserved, hit. Second, both deficits and public spending as a share of G.D.P. have started to decline — again, just as those who never bought into the deficit hysteria predicted all along. The truth is that the budget deficits of the past four years were mainly a temporary consequence of the financial crisis, which sent the economy into a tailspin — and which, therefore, led both to low tax receipts and to a rise in unemployment benefits and other government expenses. It should have been obvious that the deficit would come down as the economy recovered. But this point was hard to get across until deficit reduction started appearing in the data. Now it has — and reasonable forecasts, like those of Jan Hatzius of Goldman Sachs, suggest that the federal deficit will be below 3 percent of G.D.P., a not very scary number, by 2015. And it was, in fact, a good thing that the deficit was allowed to rise as the economy slumped. With private spending plunging as the housing bubble popped and cash-strapped families cut back, the willingness of the government to keep spending was one of the main reasons we didn’t experience a full replay of the Great Depression. Which brings me to the third reason the deficit scolds have lost influence: the contrary doctrine, the claim that we need to practice fiscal austerity even in a depressed economy, has failed decisively in practice. Consider, in particular, the case of Britain. In 2010, when the new government of Prime Minister David Cameron turned to austerity policies, it received fulsome praise from many people on this side of the Atlantic. For example, the late David Broder urged President Obama to “do a Cameron”; he particularly commended Mr. Cameron for “brushing aside the warnings of economists that the sudden, severe medicine could cut short Britain’s economic recovery and throw the nation back into recession.” Sure enough, the sudden, severe medicine cut short Britain’s economic recovery, and threw the nation back into recession. At this point, then, it’s clear that the deficit-scold movement was based on bad economic analysis. But that’s not all: there was also clearly a lot of bad faith involved, as the scolds tried to exploit an economic (not fiscal) crisis on behalf of a political agenda that had nothing to do with deficits. And the growing transparency of that agenda is the fourth reason the deficit scolds have lost their clout. Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Edmund Storms [stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:11 AM To: Mark Goldes Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Louis Kelso, inventor of the Employee Stock Ownership Plan - ESOP - used by 11,000 companies, saw this coming decades ago. He suggested a Second Income Plan. See: SECOND INCOMES at www.aesopinstitute.org for a current version. Independent of savings, it would open a path to end poverty, and provide the purchasing power removed from the economy when jobs rapidly disappear due to automation. It offers a way to harmlessly deconcentrate wealth. Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Jed Rothwell [jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:37 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-world-without-work-as-robots-computers-get-smarter-will-humans-have-anything-left-to-do/2013/01/18/61561b1c-61b7-11e2-81ef-a2249c1e5b3d_story.html This subject is starting to attract attention in the mass media. I wish cold fusion would. Cold fusion will lead to more unemployment than most breakthroughs, but not as much as improvements to computers. I have a chapter about that in my book. It is surprising how few people work in energy. Here is a thought-provoking table showing all major occupations in the U.S.: http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm That is the entire universe of work. Here are some comments I made about this table elsewhere: The economy has not produced any new Major Occupational Group since roughly 1880 (when precision manufacturing began) because every kind of labor we want done for us is already done. As I said, people have moved from one group to another, as the amount of labor ebbs and flows in different sectors. But there are no new groups, and robots will move into all groups simultaneously. . . . Granted, Category 15, Computer and Mathematical Occupations did not exist in 1880. But every task now done by Computer occupations was done back then by people in category 43, Office and Administrative Support. All of the other occupations in this list were already in existence by 1880. Most of them existed in Heian Japan, for that matter. There are no new tasks. That is to say, there are no occupations with novel outcomes or purposes that did not exist back then. The methods of achieving these purposes have changed. For example, in category 27 our methods of entertainment have changed, but the purpose -- entertaining people with fiction, music and so on -- is the same. There is a limited market for this. We cannot watch TV or listen to music 20 hours a day. Nearly all of the occupations on this list, and the sub-category occupations in the table, could be done better by a Watson-class computer than by a human being. . . . Someone else summarized the situation quite well: Until recently, technology advances made machines stronger, faster, and more reliable than average Joes. But, even at the slow end, he was much better at mopping a floor, understanding speech, packing a box, or driving a lorry than even the best supercomputer. So, he had some major competitive advantages for just being human. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Second Incomes, as suggested by Louis Kelso, would be derived from a broad new program of capital investment. This is not in any way Socialism. Kelso's first book, with Mortimer Adler, was The Capitalist Manifesto. There is a link, under SECOND INCOMES, on the Aesop Institute website, to a recent article by Gary Reber, that provides a complete overview of Kelso's legacy. This is an invention in the field of economics that might be viewed as an analog to LENR, insofar as it addresses a huge problem - and is, to date, largely ignored by the mainstream media. Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: a.ashfield [a.ashfi...@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:56 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment Edmund Storms wrote: “This is obviously a basic question and the obvious answer is a form of socialism. Money will have be extracted from the system to give basic support to the unemployed and underemployed. As we know from sad experience, when people are hungary and bored they gum up the system. This consequence is not hard to predict. The US will be particularly susceptible to this problem because of the irrational attitude toward such social support held by people who call themselves Republicans and libertarians.” Basic support to the unemployed won’t do it. That doesn’t allow for the market of luxuries that gradually improve the standard of living and civilization in general. There are some possibilities in a much shorter working week, much earlier retirement and a direct payment to every individual from the government. The problem is the transition and from where the government would get the money for the change. There are very few ways that fit within the current cultural and political framework in the US. So like the Chinese proverb says: “Interesting times.”
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Agreed. See HUMAN INVESTMENT, on the Aesop Institute site, for a way to sharply increase employment. Weak versions of the incentives we suggested in Discussion Papers we wrote for the Economic Development Administration (U.S. Department of Commerce) were included in the Jobs Tax Credit of 1977 and resulted in 2 million jobs. The Human Investment Tax Credit program is designed to generate 6 million jobs and help 4 million small firms. The sad fact is that the current Congress is not likely to pass such sensible law. Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson [orionwo...@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:45 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment From Ashfield: ... The referenced article was rather unimaginative in places but noted the basic question: “who is going buy all these nice goodies if they are unemployed?” Precisely. personal rant IMHO, too many politicians are focusing on a misguided belief that balancing the national budget is the most important thing, above everything else, that must be tackled. What most fail to realize is the fact that money is nothing more than a contractual representation of the exchange of goods and services between individuals and legal entities. Most don't like to ponder the realization that money is quite ephemeral in nature, despite all attempts to back it with a representation of limited physical resources like gold and silver. In a sense, I think this is false advertising of the worst kind. It's worshiping the value of money over the value of the actual work labor that creates said goods and services that money attempts to accurately represent. It's as if money is being worshiped as a false god. It's putting the cart before the horse. IMHO, politicians need to focus more on whatever it takes to create environments that allow people to go back to work (or remain working) so that that they can start (or continue) acquiring enough of these symbolic representations of goods and services that they can cash in for themselves. I don't think one can accomplish that by constantly slashing national budgets in a misguided belief that doing so will stabilize the value of money, which in turn will somehow miraculously cause businesses to automatically flourish so that they will automatically start employing more people... many whom may end up being hired at minimum wage. But Hey! It's a job! All that national budget slashing... the national budget employs a lot of people too, just like out in the private sector. If massive amounts of them lose their jobs due to forced budget cutting and are forced into the unemployment lines, it's absolutely no different than private companies firing it's employees because it has insufficient money to pay them for their services. Everyone suffers as fewer goods and services are being generated which, in turn, devalues the value to money. We need to stop finding scapegoats to blame (i.e. national budget), and start focusing on ways to make sure everyone has a chance to continue to make valuable contributions to society. In the end, allowing enough people to continue to make valuable contributions to society is the only real way of saving the value of money. I don't think one can accomplish that by, in a draconian manner, slashing the budget. /personal rant Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Kelos's goal was to enable almost everyone to receive half your income from diversified investments by about age 50. That could lower the nominal work week to 20 hours. Herbert Marcuse defined toil as work you do not choose to do. All other work he viewed as play. His only optimistic book, Eros and Civilization, greeted automation as an important way to liberate mankind. In his opinion, if we can reduce toil to less than 25 hours per week, we would see a dramatic, extremely positive, change in civilization. Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: alain.coetm...@gmail.com [alain.coetm...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alain Sepeda [alain.sep...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 11:50 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment as explained in the wired, and as experienced in the 50s, the automation will reduce some work, but create others that we don't imagine, or we don't dare to. there is also old need that will be covered better like elderly care, better health care, disabled care, ... vacation will develop (I don't understand why people in US don't imagine that worktime will change). about deconcentrating wealth, during technology transition the card are redistributed and the old riche , keep their wealth, but since all other wealth increase, they are relatively lowered if they don't adapt and innovate... this is why incumbent try to block innovation, typically by frightening the mass with fear to lose their old job... A bit like Malthusian ideas, that are spread by the fear of invation by enriched poors, and lead to manipulation of the mass to block the change. never seen a Malthusian prediction true. never seen a productivity increase bad for the population on long term... and you can even suspect that the trouble of technology change are not because of change, but because the incumbent try to block change, and use resource that would rather help to train the workforce to enter the new generation. 2013/1/26 Mark Goldes mgol...@chavaenergy.commailto:mgol...@chavaenergy.com Louis Kelso, inventor of the Employee Stock Ownership Plan - ESOP - used by 11,000 companies, saw this coming decades ago. He suggested a Second Income Plan. See: SECOND INCOMES at www.aesopinstitute.orghttp://www.aesopinstitute.org for a current version. Independent of savings, it would open a path to end poverty, and provide the purchasing power removed from the economy when jobs rapidly disappear due to automation. It offers a way to harmlessly deconcentrate wealth. Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.comhttp://www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.orghttp://www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070tel:707%20861-9070 707 497-3551tel:707%20497-3551 fax From: Jed Rothwell [jedrothw...@gmail.commailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:37 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-world-without-work-as-robots-computers-get-smarter-will-humans-have-anything-left-to-do/2013/01/18/61561b1c-61b7-11e2-81ef-a2249c1e5b3d_story.html This subject is starting to attract attention in the mass media. I wish cold fusion would. Cold fusion will lead to more unemployment than most breakthroughs, but not as much as improvements to computers. I have a chapter about that in my book. It is surprising how few people work in energy. Here is a thought-provoking table showing all major occupations in the U.S.: http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm That is the entire universe of work. Here are some comments I made about this table elsewhere: The economy has not produced any new Major Occupational Group since roughly 1880 (when precision manufacturing began) because every kind of labor we want done for us is already done. As I said, people have moved from one group to another, as the amount of labor ebbs and flows in different sectors. But there are no new groups, and robots will move into all groups simultaneously. . . . Granted, Category 15, Computer and Mathematical Occupations did not exist in 1880. But every task now done by Computer occupations was done back then by people in category 43, Office and Administrative Support. All of the other occupations in this list were already in existence by 1880. Most of them existed in Heian Japan, for that matter. There are no new tasks. That is to say, there are no occupations with novel outcomes or purposes that did not exist back then. The methods of achieving these purposes have changed. For example, in category 27 our methods of entertainment have changed, but the purpose -- entertaining people with fiction
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Ed, Huge cuts could be made in our military budget which is bloated, wasteful and largely redundant. (I was a USAF Officer and speak with first hand knowledge). That alone would make an enormous difference. Try and get Congress to approve it! Fat chance! Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Edmund Storms [stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:16 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment On Jan 26, 2013, at 12:45 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: From Ashfield: ... The referenced article was rather unimaginative in places but noted the basic question: “who is going buy all these nice goodies if they are unemployed?” Precisely. personal rant IMHO, too many politicians are focusing on a misguided belief that balancing the national budget is the most important thing, above everything else, that must be tackled. What most fail to realize is the fact that money is nothing more than a contractual representation of the exchange of goods and services between individuals and legal entities. No Steven, what you say is not the issue. The issue is that money has been lent to the US in various forms and by various people and they want their money back eventually. Meanwhile they want to be paid interest. The US is rapidly approaching a level of debt such that if the interest rates rose to normal levels, we could not pay the interest without shutting down significant parts of the government. The US is presently printing dollars to cover this expense. As a result, the debt is growing because this money is borrowed from the Federal Reserve, which is a private bank owned by individuals who want to be paid. At some point in the near future, the debt will be so large, it simply can not be paid. At that point, the US is in default, and the financial system of the world collapses. This means starvation and civil strife. The problem is serous and can not be solved without great pain, which means further loss of jobs. The fools in Congress over the last 20 years have created a no win situation that very few people understand. Ed Most don't like to ponder the realization that money is quite ephemeral in nature, despite all attempts to back it with a representation of limited physical resources like gold and silver. In a sense, I think this is false advertising of the worst kind. It's worshiping the value of money over the value of the actual work labor that creates said goods and services that money attempts to accurately represent. It's as if money is being worshiped as a false god. It's putting the cart before the horse. IMHO, politicians need to focus more on whatever it takes to create environments that allow people to go back to work (or remain working) so that that they can start (or continue) acquiring enough of these symbolic representations of goods and services that they can cash in for themselves. I don't think one can accomplish that by constantly slashing national budgets in a misguided belief that doing so will stabilize the value of money, which in turn will somehow miraculously cause businesses to automatically flourish so that they will automatically start employing more people... many whom may end up being hired at minimum wage. But Hey! It's a job! All that national budget slashing... the national budget employs a lot of people too, just like out in the private sector. If massive amounts of them lose their jobs due to forced budget cutting and are forced into the unemployment lines, it's absolutely no different than private companies firing it's employees because it has insufficient money to pay them for their services. Everyone suffers as fewer goods and services are being generated which, in turn, devalues the value to money. We need to stop finding scapegoats to blame (i.e. national budget), and start focusing on ways to make sure everyone has a chance to continue to make valuable contributions to society. In the end, allowing enough people to continue to make valuable contributions to society is the only real way of saving the value of money. I don't think one can accomplish that by, in a draconian manner, slashing the budget. /personal rant Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.comhttp://www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworkshttp://www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Technology is only part of the solution. Second Incomes can be adapted to most of the industrialized world. If we are wise enough to pass such legislation the pain of transition can be reduced. See a proposed act for the U.S. Congress at SECOND INCOMES on the Aesop site. See CHEAP GREEN, on the same site, for a few other Black Swan technologies that do not depend on the commercialization of LENR. Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: a.ashfield [a.ashfi...@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 1:58 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment I should have described the difficulty of transition. When a few companies have changed to fully automated production it is hard to see how they can be made to use a shorter work week, earlier retirement, higher taxes etc. To impose those things just on companies changing to full automation would lower the incentive to do so and dramatically slow the transition. Yet to impose those things on companies that have not yet made the change would probably kill them. I think the result is a transition that will be much slower to take advantage of new technologies than one would otherwise like. It is already cheaper to make many things here with high automation, than to buy them from abroad, from countries with low labor costs. Then what happens to those third world countries? Meanwhile we have sustained, then growing, high unemployment that we can’t afford. If Rossi’s Hot Cat actually works as well as he claims, there is a chance it could be the black swan event that would allow/pay for the transition. The slow, painful transition is more likely.
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
AIR POLLUTION: Plant extremely fast growing forests to sharply reduce it. See details at http://www.adamsmithtoday.com/an-australian-solution-to-the-co2-problem. It could readily be tried in China. Water might be supplied by air wells instead of desalination. Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Edmund Storms [stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 2:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment On Jan 26, 2013, at 2:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.commailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Pollution is gradually being reduced. Except in China and India, which is most of the world. Pollution per dollar of GDP is down in both. China is making rapid strides, adding nuclear and wind power. That does not seem to translate into improvement. Last night the news showed a picture from space where the pollution was clearly visible. Beijing's Air Pollution Steps Get Poor Reception Among Some In ...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/beijings-new-air-pollution-china_n_2523742.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com / 2013 / 01 / 22 / beijings-new-air-polluti...http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/beijings-new-air-pollution-china_n_2523742.html -
RE: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Ed, Paul Krugman of Princeton (and a NY Times columnist) believes they are seriously in error. Robert Reich at Berkeley agrees. This appears to be a case where conventional belief may prove to be as wrong as it has been with regard to LENR. Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Edmund Storms [stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:54 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment Sorry Jed, but your analysis conflicts with every economist that I have read and I read many. Raising taxes back to Clayton is not possible because the economy is not growing as fast as it was then so that the tax rate would have to be a bigger fraction of the income to provide the same amount of money, which people resist. Also, the debt is much larger now. We have passed the point of no return according to most analysts. Ed On Jan 26, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.commailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Debt is good within limits, Eric. The problem comes when the amount of debt exceeds the ability to pay back or even to service, i.e. to pay the interest. This is why people lost their homes. The US government has now reached a debt so large that it cannot be paid back and can barely be serviced. This is a fact. That is not true. All we have to do is raise taxes back to the level they were under Mr. Clinton. If the economy recovers the debt will soon begin to decline. It was declining rapidly under Clinton. Government expenditures have not increased, except for the Pentagon, and now that the wars are over I don't see why the military budget should be so high. The debt crisis is ginned up nonsense, in my opinion. It could be fixed with slightly higher tax rates so small we would hardly notice them. Mainly on wealthy people. I am sure that wealthy people can afford to pay 3% more than they now do. It is trivial matter for them. For that matter, the U.S. government can print money. A little inflation would soon reduce the debt as a percent of the GDP. We would hardly notice that, either. The Japanese government under PM Abe is deliberately trying to inflate by 3%, after years of deflation. It is about time! If they succeed and the economy also grows, their debt will decline. It is twice as high as the U.S., as a percent of the GDP, but Japan is not in crisis. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Your cellphone could actually be doing more personal harm than previously thought
Vo, In case I did not post this earlier... “You pick up the phone once, twice, ten times a day – or only a few times a month. But, each and every time, you’re gambling that this time won’t be the occasion when the radiation causes irreparable damage to your brain. It only takes a seemingly small trauma at a very small location to result in tissue damage, DNA damage, or chromosome mutation.” Cover quote from CELLULAR TELEPHONE RUSSIAN ROULETTE, a book by the late Robert C. Kane. You can download it free: http://www.scribd.com/doc/21783803/Cellular-Telephone-Russian-Roulette Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com [pagnu...@htdconnect.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 1:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Those EMP weapons (and your cellphone) could actually be doing more personal harm than previously thought Adrian, Your concern is shared. Notice that fire fighters resist cell tower placement on fire stations - PACTS - Firefighters BAN cell towers on fire stations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FokZLeh6ILg I see it's hard to draw a response from the vortex crowd if you're not a long time list member. Well, I've been lurking for 2 years now, diligently reading what all the open minds here have to say, so I know I'm not the first first-time poster to be ignored. I don't feel offended by this since I think it's a reasonable reaction to interact mostly with those who have already established some kind of presence here. Additionally, or maybe primarily, the possible reason for silence was the lack of a compelling argument in my post as to why someone would want to spend/kill some time watching one video over so many others waiting to be seen. But dammit, Mark Goldes, who's been around for a while also referenced this video (similarly without response) in the recent Butterflies thread. Really, though - the movie makes a strong case for electromagnetic fields interfering with the basic process of life. I pretty much guarantee that you haven't heard the argument put forth towards the end of the movie as to why we should care. It would be good to see some conversation come out of this - either to call BS or to back up the claims. It's funny though, one of the points made in the video is that it's typically the engineer types (typical vortex member?) who are called upon to give their opinion on the effects of the man-made electromagnetic spectrum the use of which has grown exponentially over the last 50 years. According to the movie, these types generally don't give much thought to the biological impact in their work. -- Adrian Hmm, maybe it was just because I didn't make the link click-able. Here it is then: Resonance - Beings of Frequency http://vimeo.com/54189727 From: Adrian Sampaleanu asam...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 11:46 AM Subject: [Vo]:Those EMP weapons (and your cellphone) could actually be doing more personal harm than previously thought Hi all, This didn't get through on my first attempt. It does look kind of spam-ish, I guess, but it was triggered by the other thread on EMP missiles.
RE: [Vo]:Those EMP weapons (and your cellphone) could actually be doing more personal harm than previously thought
Dave, Your comments are a good reason to download and scan or read the free book by Kane. EMF is far more dangerous than is generally realized. This is hard science. Kane is no longer living. A concerned individual made the book available free as it became very difficult to obtain. I would hope LENR is thoroughly vetted for safety and suspect it will be forced to be by opponents. That is one reason the possibility of a non-nuclear Ni-H reactor is of such importance. And also why magnetic generators, also thought to be impossible by most scientists and engineers, may prove of great utility. See Cheap Green on the Aesop website below for a bit about one attributed to Hans Coler that surfaced in Germany prior to WWII. It is the subject of a recent paper by Cyril Smith that can be found at http://chavascience.com/papers/the-coler-devices Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: David Roberson [dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 2:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Those EMP weapons (and your cellphone) could actually be doing more personal harm than previously thought It should be noted that the fire fighters association merely demand that proof of no harm be submitted before they allow towers to be co located to their facilities. This is not the same as having proof that they are a hazard. The same logic could be used to eliminate street lighting at night or prevent AC power from being sent to homes and for other uses. No one has proved that these are not harmful since it is supposed to be dark at night, and the electromagnetic fields associated with power transmission are far stronger than the RF reaching people at ground level. Of course cars should be banned because they clearly are dangerous to people. The list goes on and on as we assume various risks to living. You should realize that if the same criteria is applied to LENR, it will never be allowed in public places. Who would be capable of guaranteeing that it is totally impossible for harm to come from the use of these devices? We need to have rules that are based upon good common sense and the best current science, not emotion. Dave -Original Message- From: pagnucco pagnu...@htdconnect.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 4:29 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Those EMP weapons (and your cellphone) could actually be doing more personal harm than previously thought Adrian, Your concern is shared. Notice that fire fighters resist cell tower placement on fire stations - PACTS - Firefighters BAN cell towers on fire stations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FokZLeh6ILg INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIRE FIGHTERS DIVISION OF OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH, SAFETY AND MEDICINE Position on the Health Effects from Radio Frequency/Microwave (RF/MW) Radiation in Fire Department Facilities from Base Stations for Antennas and Towers for the Conduction of Cell Phone Transmissions The International Association of Fire Fighters position on locating cell towers commercial wireless infrastructure on fire department facilities, as adopted by its membership in August 2004 (1), is that the IAFF oppose the use of fire stations as base stations for towers and/or antennas for the conduction of cell phone transmissions until a study with the highest scientific merit and integrity on health effects of exposure to low-intensity RF/MW radiation is conducted and it is proven that such sitings are not hazardous to the health of our members. http://www.iaff.org/hs/Facts/CellTowerFinal.asp Some years ago, I was in a biological physics lab where the experimenter pointed out effects on plant growth of low-to-high frequency em/rf radiation. However, he stated that companies who would be adversely affected by restrictions on em-radiation keep scientists on retainer who quickly issue rebuttals to any study that raises public concern. -- Lou Pagnucco I see it's hard to draw a response from the vortex crowd if you're not a long time list member. Well, I've been lurking for 2 years now, diligently reading what all the open minds here have to say, so I know I'm not the first first-time poster to be ignored. I don't feel offended by this since I think it's a reasonable reaction to interact mostly with those who have already established some kind of presence here. Additionally, or maybe primarily, the possible reason for silence was the lack of a compelling argument in my post as to why someone would want to spend/kill some time watching one video over so many others waiting to be seen. But dammit, Mark Goldes, who's been around for a while also referenced this video (similarly without response) in the recent Butterflies thread. Really, though - the movie makes a strong case for electromagnetic fields interfering with the basic
RE: [Vo]:Your cellphone could actually be doing more personal harm than previously thought
Jed, As the book demonstrates, there is strong evidence that every time you use a cell phone close to your ear, there is the possibility of permanent brain damage. If held as far away from the ear as manufacturers suggest, it is not a problem. Likewise with ear buds or clips. Green Swan Inc. is developing a simple device that keeps it the proper distance from the ear and happens to improve the audio. Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Jed Rothwell [jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:37 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Your cellphone could actually be doing more personal harm than previously thought David Roberson wrote: No one has ever proved that cellular phones cause cancer. We have discussed this here from time to time. There is some tentative evidence that holding a cell phone close to your head for hours a day causes harm. That is an extreme thing to do. Most people do not do that, especially not not nowadays, when they have these earphone things. There will not be many people in the world who have done this, so there will not be much evidence. My guess is that the heat from the cellphone may cause harm when you hold the phone next to your skin for hours a day. A person might test my hypothesis by taping a resistor next to the skin of a rat. You wouldn't want to test it on a person! As a general rule, you do not want to set up novel and fairly extreme conditions that do not exist in nature, such as having a small, hot object next to your skin for many hours a day. Along the same lines, don't eat large amounts of recently invented fast food and sweeteners that your ancestors did not eat. I doubt it is carcinogenic but it is likely to lead to obesity. Be conservative when it comes to health. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:[OT]Butterflies
This video shows that butterflies are dying off due to EMF. We are affected in ways we are only beginning to understand. RESONANCE - BEINGS OF FREQUENCY http://vimeo.com/54189727 from James Russell RESONANCE is a sensational eye opening documentary which reveals the harm we are doing by existing in an ocean of man made wireless frequencies. Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: mix...@bigpond.com [mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 4:44 PM To: VORTEX Subject: [Vo]:[OT]Butterflies Hi, When butterflies are courting, they fly around one another, rather appropriately drawing a sort of DNA spiral in the air. Who says God doesn't have a sense of humor? :) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:Michio Kaku: One solar flare could bring many Fukushimas
This is one of two Ticking Time Bombs which pose near-term threats to life in at least the Northern hemisphere. The other is the fuel pools at Fukushima. A strong earthquake, which is virtually certain within three years, can release radioactivity exceeding all 700 nuclear bombs exploded in the atmosphere since WWII. See the Aesop Institute website for much more information and additional suggestions for prevention of the worst. Incidently, a solar flare has launched a pair of CMEs that will hit the geomagnetic field this weekend. This is an M-class event and will probably only affect the polar region on Sunday. However, NOAA says we have a 70% probability of more M-class CMEs and a 30% chance of an X-class CME from this same sunspot now facing the earth. Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: ChemE Stewart [cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 9:42 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Michio Kaku: One solar flare could bring many Fukushimas Guys, I think we are at a HUGE risk with Fission reactors in 2013 with CMEs and the two large Comets inbound (a third comet just broke up) which will fly close to the sun and could trigger large ejections and flares. A huge solar flare could fry the grid, backup batteries and knock out generators on Earth. I say take fission reactrors offline for a year and fire up the gas turbines while we see what happens with the sun. I think the comets will cool things down anyway. Stewart darkmattersalot.comhttp://darkmattersalot.com On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.commailto:vorl@antichef.com wrote: On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:10:07 -0500 (EST) pagnu...@htdconnect.commailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Preventing Armageddon Would Cost Only $100 Million … But Congress Is Too Thick to Approve the Fix http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/11/preventing-armageddon-would-cost-only-100-million-but-congress-is-too-thick-to-approve-the-fix.html From the article: Unfortunately, the world’s nuclear power plants, as they are currently designed, are critically dependent upon maintaining connection to a functioning electrical grid, for all but relatively short periods of electrical blackouts, in order to keep their reactor cores continuously cooled so as to avoid catastrophic reactor core meltdowns I thought that reactors were designed so that inserting rods of some material would kill the reaction. I imagine they would have battery power for long enough to insert the rods; heck, maybe they even have a manual way to crank the motor to do it.
RE: [Vo]:Michio Kaku: One solar flare could bring many Fukushimas
Dave, Unfortunately, the answer is yes. Fukushima fallout is carried by the jet stream and has been deposited all across the USA. The Northern lights are more unusual in color, magnitude, and in scope because of the high atomic weight Fukushima Fallout in the atmosphere. Post Fukushima such lights are no longer a treat. In fact they are the harbingers of the creation of a whole new witches’ brew of radioactive Fukushima related fallout. It is a harbinger that grows more concerning as these Solar Storms are simultaneously increasing in magnitude… The recent CME interacted with high atomic weight fallout (both radioactive and NON-radioactive) in the upper atmosphere and produced new radioactive fallout via nuclear spallation processes. Radioactive iodine is being reported in the USA and Europe. Evidence of Plutonium 239 spallation is expected. Live in San Francisco? You Inhaled 75 MILLION Plutonium Atoms In Just 4 days! In order to make the EPA's Plutonium 239 detection from March 15 - March 18, 2011 understandable in terms people could visualize, we calculated the distributed average number of Pu-239 atoms inhaled by EVERY single person in the Bay area during that time period. We also discuss the other radioactive elements detected, and how the EPA's detection of Iodine-133 is especially troubling. These are from: Pissinontheroses.blogspot.com Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: David Roberson [dlrober...@aol.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:56 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Michio Kaku: One solar flare could bring many Fukushimas Mark, if the stored radioactive material escapes it may not travel too far unless it is transported into the upper atmosphere. Is there reason to believe that anyone except for the local region will receive a massive dose? Not that that would be so great! Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Goldes mgol...@chavaenergy.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Nov 23, 2012 12:54 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Michio Kaku: One solar flare could bring many Fukushimas This is one of two Ticking Time Bombs which pose near-term threats to life in at least the Northern hemisphere. The other is the fuel pools at Fukushima. A strong earthquake, which is virtually certain within three years, can release radioactivity exceeding all 700 nuclear bombs exploded in the atmosphere since WWII. See the Aesop Institute website for much more information and additional suggestions for prevention of the worst. Incidently, a solar flare has launched a pair of CMEs that will hit the geomagnetic field this weekend. This is an M-class event and will probably only affect the polar region on Sunday. However, NOAA says we have a 70% probability of more M-class CMEs and a 30% chance of an X-class CME from this same sunspot now facing the earth. Mark Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.comhttp://www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.orghttp://www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: ChemE Stewart [cheme...@gmail.commailto:cheme...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 9:42 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Michio Kaku: One solar flare could bring many Fukushimas Guys, I think we are at a HUGE risk with Fission reactors in 2013 with CMEs and the two large Comets inbound (a third comet just broke up) which will fly close to the sun and could trigger large ejections and flares. A huge solar flare could fry the grid, backup batteries and knock out generators on Earth. I say take fission reactrors offline for a year and fire up the gas turbines while we see what happens with the sun. I think the comets will cool things down anyway. Stewart darkmattersalot.comhttp://darkmattersalot.com On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.commailto:vorl@antichef.commailto:vorl@antichef.commailto:vorl@antichef.com? wrote: On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:10:07 -0500 (EST) pagnu...@htdconnect.commailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.commailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.commailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com? wrote: Preventing Armageddon Would Cost Only $100 Million … But Congress Is Too Thick to Approve the Fix http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/11/preventing-armageddon-would-cost-only-100-million-but-congress-is-too-thick-to-approve-the-fix.html From the article: Unfortunately, the world’s nuclear power plants, as they are currently designed, are critically dependent upon maintaining connection to a functioning electrical grid, for all but relatively short periods of electrical blackouts, in order to keep their reactor cores continuously cooled so as to avoid catastrophic reactor core meltdowns I thought that reactors were designed so
[Vo]:amazing-petrol-from-air-technology
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/fuel/9619269/British-engineers-produce-amazing-petrol-from-air-technology.html Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 280-8210 707 497-3551 fax
[Vo]:German VW factory
Vo, One type of factory of the future has arrived. http://www.youtube.com/embed/nd5WGLWNllA?rel=0
RE: [Vo]:A new economic paradigm is available now
The late Louis Kelso, inventor of the Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP) now used by 11,000 companies, later invented what he called The Second Income Plan. Independent of savings, it would provide almost everyone a substantial income from investments. See Second Incomes at www.aesopinstitute.org for the latest version. Kelso saw automation coming decades ago and created a framework for the necessary transition economics. Robert Ashford and Rodney Shakespeare have published Binary Economics: The New Paradigm. Published by University Press of America that book expands the concept . If Second Incomes gain political traction they can provide a missing path to abundance. In my opinion the impact would be huge. And it might provide a better atmosphere for urgently needed energy innovations. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 280-8210 707 497-3551 fax From: Jed Rothwell [jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 3:29 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A new economic system will be needed in the next 20 to 100 years OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.commailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: LITT argues from the premise that surviving companies that continue to take advantage of automation and robotics may need to be taxed with something akin to a re-employment tax. Monies collected would be used to either pay the salaries of new kinds of jobs, jobs that have not yet manifested in today's society - or perhaps to fund the technical cultural education of displaced workers. Some might cry foul, that this smells of socialism. But what of it? As Deng Xiaoping put it: black cat or white cat, who cares, as long as it catches mice. This LITT system would be a hybrid of today's capitalism and the fully automated, no-economic-system needed distant future. It would be an intermediate system. Our present economic system is also a way station along the road to full automation. If we were to suddenly put it back to what it was before the New Deal, I think it would be catastrophic. On the other hand, if we tried to convert to full-on LITT-type system today, that would be a disaster. We are not capable of anything like the fully automated version in which all of the necessity of life are handed out for free. That will take 100 years. Maybe 200 years. We need to adjust the system step by step to deal with circumstances as they evolve. The right system for 1890 did not work in 1930, and the 1930 version did not work in 1990. Since I the proverbial man who has only a hammer, I see all problems as a nail. From my point of view this is mostly about technology. There is no morally right or morally wrong economic system. There is only a system that works well the machinery of life we had back in 1890 (horses, coal, mostly manual labor, 30% of workforce in agriculture), and another system that works well with the technology we have now. The direction of technology is perfectly clear to me. The ultimate goal is to eliminate human labor and make every good end every service available in unlimited quantities, subject only to demand, and to practical limitations such as the fact that we don't want the entire surface of the Earth covered by black and white televisions. * Our present limitations in material resources and energy are not caused by actual, physical limits or scarce resources. They are caused by ignorance. Ignorance, stupidity and greed. We talk about an energy crisis when the sun produces enough energy to supply every person with roughly 4,000 times more energy than the entire human race now consumes. - Jed * In the late 1940s, my mother pointed out the absurdity of straight line social science projections by calculating that the world will soon be knee deep in black and white televisions if present trends continue. Present trends never continue to extremes. Not in society. Sometimes, natural trends do, resulting in things like supernova explosions.
RE: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine
That site is the latest version of a well known scam. Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: James Bowery [jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine The video at this site clearly shows accelleration. http://diymagneticmotor.com/ That pretty much rules out the low friction argument. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.commailto:hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: According to standard physics, it is impossible to design a magnetic motor that won't get stuck after a few turns. Therefore, questions about how much was energy was needed to assemble the device distract from the real significance of the demonstration. Either this is a hoax OR the device is really able to overcome the sticking problem and turn indefinitely. harry On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:33 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.commailto:jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone tried to do any arithmetic here? I mean to even an order of magnitude? On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.commailto:hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming no hidden power sources, the assumption is the work done repeatedly lifting the magnets (and the rod at the side) will eventually exceed the energy required to place the magnets in their starting position. Harry On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:31 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.commailto:robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote: This stuff is quite misleading. One has to put energy in first to get the moving magnet into its starting position. So there is no energy gain.
RE: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine
They keep changing but here are a few of the stories... http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Buyer_Beware Magniwork Feature: Electromagnetic / Buyer Beware Magniwork Open letter to Clickbank regarding Magniwork scam involvement -- Warning of possible legal action - For the past year, Magniwork and others have been using Clickbank to sell $49 DIY plans for a device alleged to cost less than $100 in parts and which can power a house. Clickbank continues to allow this to go on, despite our warnings that the plans are bogus and that we've received no evidence to support the claim. (PESN; May 24, 2010) Electromagnetic Magniwork Magniwork Energy internet scam - Internet fraudsters are raking in thousands of dollars a day with a scam selling plans for what alleges to be an electromagnetic free energy machine capable of powering a house. One estimate puts sales of the guide as high as 5,000 copies a month, making the scam worth up to $3m a year. (Off-Grid; Oct. 8, 2009) [We've not yet received a scrap of evidence supporting the claims.] Featured: Buyer Beware Electromagnetic Magniwork ACTION: Report Magniwork (Scam) Ads to Google and Clickbank - Easy steps presented for you to be able to lodge a complaint about the fraudsters who are selling plans for what alleges to be an inexpensive electromagnetic free energy machine capable of powering a house, though no supporting evidence has been given. Let's stop these hucksters who prey on the free energy believers and give the field a bad name. (PESWiki; Nov. 5, 2009) Buyer Beware Electromagnetic Magniwork Lutec Disavows Magniwork - Lutec posted the following notice on their home page in a marquee text: [all caps] Be Warned - 'Magniwork' is not related in any way to Lutec Australia, doe not sell plans for our equipment and is not authorized to use our videos on their site! (PESWiki; Nov. 10, 2009) Featured: Electromagnetic Bedini SG Magniwork free energy plans = bogus claim; say they'll remedy that - Magniwork has been selling a set of plans for a free energy device they say could be scaled to power an entire house. However, it turns out that the device is nothing more than the Bedini SG circuit, which, though interesting, has never been embodied in a self-looped system with energy left over for practical use. They've apologized and removed the Bedini stuff. (PESWiki; June 2, 2009) Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: James Bowery [jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine It looks very similar to the device currently under discussion in that it has a ramp of magnets with a discontinuity at the full cycle. Are they the same scam? Where can one read about the well known scam? On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Mark Goldes mgol...@chavaenergy.commailto:mgol...@chavaenergy.com wrote: That site is the latest version of a well known scam. Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.comhttp://www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.orghttp://www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070tel:707%20861-9070 707 497-3551tel:707%20497-3551 fax From: James Bowery [jabow...@gmail.commailto:jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine The video at this site clearly shows accelleration. http://diymagneticmotor.com/ That pretty much rules out the low friction argument. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.commailto:hveeder...@gmail.commailto:hveeder...@gmail.commailto:hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: According to standard physics, it is impossible to design a magnetic motor that won't get stuck after a few turns. Therefore, questions about how much was energy was needed to assemble the device distract from the real significance of the demonstration. Either this is a hoax OR the device is really able to overcome the sticking problem and turn indefinitely. harry On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:33 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.commailto:jabow...@gmail.commailto:jabow...@gmail.commailto:jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone tried to do any arithmetic here? I mean to even an order of magnitude? On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.commailto:hveeder...@gmail.commailto:hveeder...@gmail.commailto:hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming no hidden power sources, the assumption is the work done repeatedly lifting the magnets (and the rod at the side) will eventually exceed the energy required to place the magnets in their starting position. Harry
RE: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine
This is almost certainly the same group of scammers. They keep changing the device and the device is easily faked in a video. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: James Bowery [jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 4:00 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine These are not indictments of the device in the video I cited. Is device in that video, whether or not legitimately claimed by Magniwork, Lutec or others, a device that has been shown to be incapable of self-sustaining motion? If it has been so shown, where is the demonstration of that fact? On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Mark Goldes mgol...@chavaenergy.commailto:mgol...@chavaenergy.com wrote: They keep changing but here are a few of the stories... http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Buyer_Beware Magniwork Feature: Electromagnetic / Buyer Beware Magniwork Open letter to Clickbank regarding Magniwork scam involvement -- Warning of possible legal action - For the past year, Magniwork and others have been using Clickbank to sell $49 DIY plans for a device alleged to cost less than $100 in parts and which can power a house. Clickbank continues to allow this to go on, despite our warnings that the plans are bogus and that we've received no evidence to support the claim. (PESN; May 24, 2010) Electromagnetic Magniwork Magniwork Energy internet scam - Internet fraudsters are raking in thousands of dollars a day with a scam selling plans for what alleges to be an electromagnetic free energy machine capable of powering a house. One estimate puts sales of the guide as high as 5,000 copies a month, making the scam worth up to $3m a year. (Off-Grid; Oct. 8, 2009) [We've not yet received a scrap of evidence supporting the claims.] Featured: Buyer Beware Electromagnetic Magniwork ACTION: Report Magniwork (Scam) Ads to Google and Clickbank - Easy steps presented for you to be able to lodge a complaint about the fraudsters who are selling plans for what alleges to be an inexpensive electromagnetic free energy machine capable of powering a house, though no supporting evidence has been given. Let's stop these hucksters who prey on the free energy believers and give the field a bad name. (PESWiki; Nov. 5, 2009) Buyer Beware Electromagnetic Magniwork Lutec Disavows Magniwork - Lutec posted the following notice on their home page in a marquee text: [all caps] Be Warned - 'Magniwork' is not related in any way to Lutec Australia, doe not sell plans for our equipment and is not authorized to use our videos on their site! (PESWiki; Nov. 10, 2009) Featured: Electromagnetic Bedini SG Magniwork free energy plans = bogus claim; say they'll remedy that - Magniwork has been selling a set of plans for a free energy device they say could be scaled to power an entire house. However, it turns out that the device is nothing more than the Bedini SG circuit, which, though interesting, has never been embodied in a self-looped system with energy left over for practical use. They've apologized and removed the Bedini stuff. (PESWiki; June 2, 2009) Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.comhttp://www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.orghttp://www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070tel:707%20861-9070 707 497-3551tel:707%20497-3551 fax From: James Bowery [jabow...@gmail.commailto:jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine It looks very similar to the device currently under discussion in that it has a ramp of magnets with a discontinuity at the full cycle. Are they the same scam? Where can one read about the well known scam? On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Mark Goldes mgol...@chavaenergy.commailto:mgol...@chavaenergy.commailto:mgol...@chavaenergy.commailto:mgol...@chavaenergy.com wrote: That site is the latest version of a well known scam. Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.comhttp://www.chavaenergy.comhttp://www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.orghttp://www.aesopinstitute.orghttp://www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070tel:707%20861-9070tel:707%20861-9070 707 497-3551tel:707%20497-3551tel:707%20497-3551 fax From: James Bowery [jabow...@gmail.commailto:jabow...@gmail.commailto:jabow...@gmail.commailto:jabow...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 2:49 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion
RE: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster
Sanford Weill, of all people, has made the news today by advocating breaking up large financial institutions. Ex-Citi chief Weill urges bank break-up Financial Times http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/feaa9cf0-d65f-11e1-ba60-00144feabdc0.html#axzz21ejh0BPr This can could change the conversation regarding what happens in Washington DC. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Jed Rothwell [jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 11:10 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Too Big to Fail movie portrays institutional disaster Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.commailto:cheme...@gmail.com wrote: They seem like smart, good people who accidentally brought about a disaster They did it to make more money for themselves and the bank. Well, not everyone in the story was a banker. Some were government officials. Paulson was an official who had been an investment banker. I get the impression he was an honest banker. He quit and sold his shares in Goldman before he became an official. I am not excusing these people. I want to know how this happened. Why it happened. Greed and stupidity are the cause, but people have always been greedy and stupid, yet Wall Street seldom collapses catastrophically because of it. These explanations are not sufficient; there has to be more. I say the institution itself was dysfunctional. Paulson and the others were in over their heads. They did not realize how little they knew. They did not realize things were out of control. They were obviously ignorant to risk they created for everyone and we are all still paying for it and will be for years to come. For that, they should have resigned, been fired or at a minimum demoted. Many have been fired. Many lost their own money. One of the main characters in the movie, Fuld of Lehman Brothers, had shares of Lehman worth about $1 billion. When Lehman declared bankruptcy his shares were worth $58,000. Others made out like bandits, unfortunately. I favor punishing the guilty, but we also need to find the root caused that allowed bad actors and fools to bring about the catastrophe in the first place. The same goes for every disaster, such as Fukushima and the wreck of the Titanic. On April 15, 1912 everyone in the world knew who was directly responsible for the Titanic disaster: Capt. Smith and his officers. But it went beyond that. The causes were deeper. People needed to reveal the causes and take steps to prevent this from happening again. That took a Congressional Investigation and many reforms and new regulations. Mainly, it took Sen. William Alden Smith, without whom the dead would have died in vain. There would have been many more preventable shipwrecks without him. We need someone like that to clean up Wall Street. Unfortunately, all efforts to do so have been blocked by the bankers and the Republican Party. They seem determined to cause another disaster. That is predictable. In 1912, the shipping interests made a tremendous effort to stop Smith from investigating and reforming their industry. They attacked him the newspapers. To this day, many accounts of the Titanic disaster portray him as a fool and useless person who accomplished nothing. No good deed goes unpunished! See: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusion.pdf - Jed
[Vo]:RE: (OT) The Capital Homestead Act
. We wouldn’t have to take away wealth from those who already own capital. What is the Capital Homestead Act? The Capital Homestead Act is a modern version of Lincoln’s Homestead Act of 1862 which offered a piece of the land frontier to many propertyless Americans. Lincoln’s Homestead Act was one of the most significant economic initiatives in America’s history. It laid the foundation for America’s rise as the world’s greatest industrial power. Unfortunately, the land frontier ran out. Most Americans were never given a chance to share in the ownership and profits of our high-tech industrial frontier, which unlike land has no known limits. Capital Homesteading would take nothing away from present owners, but would link every American (including the poorest of the poor) to the profits from sustainable economic growth. Every worker and citizen could gain a share in power over technological progress and the tools and enterprises of modern society. Through widespread ownership all citizens would participate in a more democratic economic process, just as they now participate in the democratic political process through access to the ballot. Under Capital Homesteading, every child born today could gain by age 65: • $460,000 in tax-sheltered assets. • $46,000 in annual after-tax income. • $1.6 million in dividends during that period. The Capital Homestead Act proposes a number of programs so that every man, woman and child could get interest-free capital credit from a local bank. (Future earnings of the capital purchased would pay off the loans, including bank service fees and premiums to cover capital credit default insurance.) You and every member of your family could get access to this special credit by setting up a tax-sheltered Capital Homestead Account (CHA) — like a “Super-IRA” — at your local bank. Through your CHA, and with the guidance of your financial advisor, you could purchase with your capital credit part ownership in: 1) companies for which a member of your family works; 2) a company where you have a monthly billing account; or 3) “qualified” companies that are well-managed and highly profitable, like Microsoft, Exxon-Mobil, Proctor Gamble, IBM, etc. Companies could also establish Employee Stock Ownership Plans (ESOPs) for their workers and Consumer Stock Ownership Plans (CSOPs) for their regular customers to borrow funds repayable with future pre-tax profits, for the issuance of new shares or for the purchase of existing shares. Communities that adopt for-profit Citizens Land Banks (CLBs) – also called for-profit Citizens Land Cooperatives (CLCs) or Community Investment Corporations (CICs) – could attract interest-free credit to buy land for development or build new infrastructure. Every citizen could participate as a shareholder in community land planning and governance decisions. Moreover, each citizen would share in profits from rents and fees for use of land and infrastructure. Access to capital credit Through the Capital Homestead Act, access to capital credit — which today helps make the rich richer — would be enshrined in law as a fundamental right of citizenship, like the right to vote. Using its powers under Sec. 13 of the Federal Reserve Act, the Federal Reserve System would supply local banks with the money needed by businesses to grow. The new money and credit for private sector growth would, however, be “irrigated” through Capital Homestead Accounts and other credit democratization vehicles. Through a well-regulated central banking system and other safeguards (including capital credit insurance to cover the risk of bad loans), you and all other citizens could purchase with interest-free capital credit, newly issued shares representing newly added machines and structures. These purchases would be paid off with tax-deductible dividends of these companies. Nothing would come out of your pocket or reduce the income you use to put food on your family’s table. Within a relatively short period of time, you would become a full owner of your shares. For the rest of your life, you would receive a decent and regular income from the earnings of the capital you accumulate over the years. Then you would have income-producing property to pass on to your children. This is how Capital Homesteading works. To learn more about this idea, see the website of the Center for Economic and Social Justice www.cesj.org Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Jed Rothwell [jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 3:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT 600 C Operations Guenter Wildgruber
[Vo]:The posts by Chris Tinsley
Jed, Chris is sorely missed! I had the pleasure of meeting him briefly in London. Perhaps in 1994. He was evaluating an electric scooter modified to run on a magnetic motor patented by Takahashi. The motor seemed impressive, but Takahashi has not been heard from since magnets he claimed to have fabricated, were found to have been manufactured by Sumitomo. The posts today were truly excellent and much appreciated. Many thanks, Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
RE: [Vo]:Time bombs and the need to decentralize energy
Fukushima reactor 4 requires urgent intervention; coalition calls for emergency UN action to halt catastrophic release of radiation (http://www.NaturalNews.com) Kyoto, Japan — On 30 April, seventy-two Japanese NGO organizations lead by Shut Tomari and Green Action send an urgent request to the UN and Japanese government urging immediate action to stabilize the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant Unit 4 spent nuclear fuel. The letter was endorsed by experts from Japan and abroad.The letter warned that the seriously damaged Unit 4 spent nuclear fuel pool contains Cesium-137 (Cs-137) that is equivalent to 10 times the amount released at the time of the Chernobyl nuclear accident. If an earthquake or other event were to cause this pool to drain, this could result in a catastrophic radiological fire. The letter urged the United Nations to organize a Nuclear Safety Summit to take up the crucial problem of the Fukushima Daiichi Unit 4 spent nuclear fuel pool. The letter stated that the United Nations should establish an independent assessment team on Fukushima Daiichi Unit 4 and coordinate international assistance in order to stabilize the unit’s spent nuclear fuel and prevent radiological consequences with potentially catastrophic consequences. Letters were sent to both UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda, the latter asking that Japan ask immediately for the UN’s help. Nearly all of the 10,893 spent fuel assemblies at the Fukushima Daiichi plant sit in pools vulnerable to future earthquakes, with roughly 85 times more long-lived radioactivity than released at Chernobyl. Kaori Izumi of Shut Tomari stated, “Fukushima Daiichi is no longer a Japanese issue but is an international issue. It is imperative for the Japanese government and the international community to work together on this crisis before it becomes too late.” Nuclear experts from the US and Japan such as Arnie Gundersen, Robert Alvarez, Hiroaki Koide, Masashi Goto, and Mitsuhei Murata, a former Japanese ambassador to Switzerland, and, Akio Matsumura, a former UN diplomat have continually warned against the high risk of the Fukushima Unit 4 spent nuclear fuel pool. Shut Tomari and Green Action are seeking endorsements from civil organizations abroad (deadline 20 May). More Japanese civil organizations are expected to sign on in addition to the seventy-two organizations. (Deadline for signatures: 20 May.) For full text of letter/endorsements/signatories, see: http://wp.me/p1FMPy-B6 Press release issued by: Shut Tomari (Japan), Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Not Me [energya...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 7:53 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Time bombs and the need to decentralize energy How about some actual quantities, instead of just saying huge amounts of radioactivites. The total spent reactor fuel inventory at the Fukushima-Daichi site contains nearly half of the total amount of Cs-137 estimated by the NCRP to have been released by all atmospheric nuclear weapons testing, Chernobyl, and world-wide reprocessing plants (~270 million curies or ~9.9 E+18 Becquerel). Source: http://www.fukushima311watchdogs.org/share.php?partager=1260 Note: this source is definitely not pro-nuclear. The storage pool at reactor 4 contains about 1500 spent fuel rods. This amounts to less than 1/6 of the total spent reactor fuel inventory at the Fukushima-Daichi site. If all of the fuel at Daichi amounts to less than half of the Cs-137 previously released into the environment, release of all the Cs-137 in the storage pool at reactor 4 would amount to less than 8% of the amount previously released into the environment. As stated previously, there is no conceivable mechanism that would release all the material in the storage pool at reactor 4. Since the half-life of Cs-137 is 30 years, the majority of the previously released amounts are still active in the environment. Any release of Cs-137 from the storage pool at reactor 4 would only increase the amount of Cs-137 in the environment by a negligible amount, certainly not enough to endanger human life anywhere but the in the immediate surrounding of the plant. People who continue to spread this fear-mongering propaganda have zero scientific credibility. If there is a further accident at Fukushima-Daichi that results in a release of some of the spent fuel, the fear-mongers will be responsible for more bad health effects through added stress on the scientifically illiterate than the radiation release could ever cause. Arnie Gunderson, who used to build nuclear fuel pools, has stated if this building collapses he sees it likely to produce sufficient fallout to endanger human life everywhere in the Northern hemisphere. See
RE: [Vo]:Time bombs and the need to decentralize energy
the pool at No. 4 poses “an extraordinary and continuing risk” and the retrieval of spent fuel “should be a priority, given the possibility of further earthquakes.” Attention has focused on No. 4’s spent fuel pool because of the large number of assemblies filled with rods that are stored at that reactor building. Three other reactor buildings at the site are also badly damaged, but their pools hold fewer used assemblies. According to Tepco, the pool at the No. 4 reactor, which was not operating at the time of the accident, holds 1,331 spent fuel assemblies, which each contain dozens of rods. Several thousand rods were removed from the core just three months before so the vessel could be inspected. Those rods, which were not fully used up, could more easily support chain reactions than the fully spent fuel. Arnie Gunderson, who used to build nuclear fuel pools, has stated if this building collapses he sees it likely to produce sufficient fallout to endanger human life everywhere in the Northern hemisphere. See ENENews.com for ongoing reports on Fukushima. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Not Me [energya...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2012 7:56 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Time bombs and the need to decentralize energy This is BS. If the #4 fuel pond caught fire, and all the radioactive material dispersed into the atmosphere, it could amount to about 10 times the amount of radioactive material dispersed from Chernobyl. Most of that would fall to the ground within a short distance of the plant. However, it is inconceivable that any accident could occur that would result in the stored nuclear fuel completely burning. If the structure collapses, the fuel rods would be physically separated amongst the wreckage, not concentrated into a simple pile, and most of them would not burn. The wreckage could easily be covered with enough sand and concrete in a short time to limit any exposure. For most of the northern hemisphere, there would be no effects beyond a slight increase in background radiation. Most people would be probably exposed to less extra radiation than someone living today in Denver. I haven't heard of any mass fatalities there. Anyone who engages in this kind of fear-mongering should be doubted on anything they have to say.
[Vo]:Time bombs and the need to decentralize energy
Vo, A pair of little reported Time Bombs threaten to end billions of human lives. The first is the Fuel Ponds at Fukushima. A highly probable, near-term, powerful earthquake can release enough radioactivity to endanger most of our lives in the Northern hemisphere. The second is a little recognized, but surprisingly very possible, solar storm emission that can bring down power grids for months. Nuclear plants would become meltdown candidates. That could end human life almost everywhere on the planet. Both might be stopped by a massive government initiative that can stimulate major involvement of private capital. This would be the economic equivalent of fighting a life threatening war. It can reboot the economy and generate large numbers of jobs. Solar roofs have become much more important than any grid dependent technology. LENR is one of the most promising Black Swans that might make a contribution. See www.aesopinstitute.org for a few details - and possible paths to prevent the worst from happening. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
[Vo]:RE: Water fueled electric generator
Mike, An American who returned to Vietnam after obtaining 36 U.S. Patents for Hewlett Packard and Kodak has invented a water fueled fuel cell. An article link appeared on vortex some months ago. It uses either fresh or salt water. A 50 watt unit has been demonstrated. 2 kW and 2.4 kW cells have been made. His name is Nguyen Chanh Khe, Ph.D. His work is greeted in a manner similar to Mills or LENR. A 2 kW home generator is apparently nearing production with a price set at $1,600 USD and will only be sold in Vietnam for now. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Mike Carrell [mi...@medleas.com] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 4:53 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:RE: CMNS: CIHT paper Robert, Your skepticism is understandable, especially if you have not done your homework to follow Mills as I have. The investors are “qualified” [read wealthy] or corporations who can afford long shots. Mills’ production of journal papers and a book of epic scope are notable, but the proof is in the product. Nobody in the energy field has reliably used water as a fuel to produce electricity directly. This is accomplished; read the Validation reports on the website. Scale-up may have its problems. Mike Carrell From: Robert Lynn [mailto:robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 1:03 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: CMNS: CIHT paper As I understand it Blacklight has an exceptionally high Promises:Products ratio over the first 20 years of their existence, and have burned through an enormous amount of money from investors (no doubt hurting a fair number of people and careers for those that believed in them). Does this latest release represent a significant change from their business modus operandi? Is there any reason why we should have greater faith in their ability to deliver on current promises than those of years past? Or is this another Paul Moller like operation? Put another way; is there anyone in the collective who would invest a significant portion of their wealth into Blacklight? On 28 May 2012 17:39, Mike Carrell mi...@medleas.commailto:mi...@medleas.com wrote: Blacklightpower has posted a major release of the IHT cell [Catalyst induced Hydrino Transition]. Peter Gluck has posted a link to a 89-page paper at the site detailing the CHIT cell chemistry and operation. I will list below features warranting attention by members of this group: 1. The cell generates electricity directly, without a thermal cycle. 2. The fuel is water vapor produced by bubbling argon through water. 3. The end products are hydrinos [H in the H(1/4) state], electricity , and oxygen 4. No pollution 5. No scarce or costly materials 6. Adaptable to volume manufacture 7. CIHT battery of desired voltage by stacking cell plates 8. Validation reports by six very competent scientists 9. Current test at a 10 W level, 1.5 kW modules for residential use in 2013 10. Estimated installed cost $100/kW 11. Privately financed, investment to date ~$60 million The existence of the hydrino state of hydrogen has been established by multiple means which are outlined the website links. A short summary of the CIHT cell operation is on p.28 of the cited paper. The cell operates at an elevated temperature Which may be maintained by insulation but initiated by external power; it is not part of the energy balance. In my experience of a couple of decades of Mills-watching, I have found statements backed up by evidence. Careful reading is recommended. Do not assume features which “look like” some other work “really is” other work. This is a historical achievement. Mike Carrell From: c...@googlegroups.commailto:c...@googlegroups.com [mailto:c...@googlegroups.commailto:c...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gluck Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 5:10 AM To: VORTEX; CMNS Subject: CMNS: CIHT paper For those interested in hydrinos: Mike Carrell has found this paper describing the configuration and operation of Randy Mills' CIHT Cell: http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/papers/CIHTElectrochemicalCell.pdf Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMNS group. To post to this group, send email to c...@googlegroups.commailto:c...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to cmns+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:cmns+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cmns?hl=en. This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department
[Vo]:BLP News Release re CIHT
http://www.wkow.com/story/18579657/electricity-generated-from-water-blacklight-power-announces-validation-of-its-scientific-breakthrough-in-energy-production Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
RE: [Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare
Arnie Gunderson, an expert on these matters, suggests smaller cranes be used to lower the fuel rods to the ground on an urgent basis. Senator Wyden has urged our government to push hard for the Japanese to greatly accelerate the present, totally inadequate, effort. I've provided some additional information on the non-profit Aesop Institute website. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Alan J Fletcher [a...@well.com] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 12:14 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare At 10:19 PM 4/6/2012, Mark Goldes wrote: Former UN advisor: If No. 4 pool collapses I’ve been told “during 50 years, you cannot contain” Nuclear Expert: Fukushima spent fuel has 85 times more cesium than released at Chernobyl — “It would destroy the world environment and our civilization… http://akiomatsumura.com/2012/04/682.html Japanese TV program (It says to Turn on English CC) and transcript Fukushima Dai-Ichi No. 4: An earthquake before spent fuel rods are moved to safe storage would be “the end” http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2012/04/fukushima-dai-ichi-no-4-an-earthquake-before-spent-fuel-rods-are-moved-to-safe-storage-would-be-the-end.html http://www.youtube.com/v/eJi-o4F8eOo?version=3hl=en_US The reporter is Mr. Toru TAMAKAWA. The expert is Dr. Hiroaki KOIDE, Research Associate at the Research Reactor Institute of Kyoto University. eg ... I asked him “Why can’t we simply transfer them to another pool?” Now, let’s look at how the transfer is normally done. [3:20] As shown here, nuclear fuel rods are initially in the reactor. When they are spent, they are transferred to the spent fuel pool here.[3:28] What they do first is lower this giant container into the water. [3:34] Then the fuel rods are transferred into this container in the water. All of them. [3:42] Then they close the lid with water inside, and hoist the container outside. [3:48] But now, because of the earthquake, the crane to hoist them is not working any more. [3:53] Then, how are they going to transfer the fuel rods? ...
[Vo]:BBC Nature - Electron split personality
If this has appeared earlier, I missed it...Mark 18 April 2012 Electron 'split-personality' seen in new quasi-particle Researchers have discovered another way that electrons - one of the Universe's few fundamental particles - can undergo an identity crisis. Electrons can divide into quasi-particles, in which their fundamental properties can split up and move around like independent particles. Two such quasi-particles had been seen before, but a team reporting in Nature has now confirmed a third: the orbiton. These orbitons carry the energy of an electron's orbit around a nucleus. Generally, these properties are not independent - a given electron has that set of properties, maintaining them as it moves around, while a nearby electron has a different set. But the idea of quasi-particles allow these properties to split and move around independently, granting them to nearby electrons. An analogy of this slippery idea is a traffic jam on a one-lane road - it is as if one blue car, pointed west and running at 1,000 RPM, passes on its blueness, its engine speed and its direction to adjacent cars. The cases in which such strange behaviour can be induced are rare, but an international team of researchers turned to a material called strontium cuprate to investigate it. The arrangement of atoms in the material is much like the one-lane road: electrons can only move in one direction along it in what is called a spin chain. The team used the Swiss Light Source at the Paul Scherrer Institut in Switzerland to shine intense X-ray beams into the material, catching the light that came out with precision detectors. Analysis of how the X-ray beam was altered in the process gave evidence of how electrons were given an energy boost, and where it went. Thorsten Schmitt of the Swiss Light Source explained that the team made an unexpected find. They saw that some of the X-ray energy went into raising an electron to a different orbit around a nucleus, and that this orbital excitation could move along the chain, bumping an adjacent electron up an orbit, and then the next electron along, and so on. We wanted to understand the spinon excitations - we were sure we would see spinons - the surprise was also to get these orbital excitations behaving in a collective way, he told BBC News. It is a find destined for fundamental physics textbooks, but Dr Schmitt says that the curious behaviour may help scientists understand equally curious effects in similar materials. It's all basic research but we hope this is very relevant for understanding superconductivity in cuprates, which are made out of the same building blocks. Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax Science Environment
RE: [Vo]:Oxygen breathing battery.
See the Aqueous Fuel Cell invented in Vietnam for a solution. Someone posted it here a few months ago. Moving Beyond Oil and Cheap Green, on the Aesop Institute website, both contain a few details. The only fuel is fresh or salt water. A 2 kW home generator is moving toward the market, priced at $1,600. It is later intended to power vehicles. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Akira Shirakawa [shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 3:19 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oxygen breathing battery. On 2012-04-20 23:42, Michele Comitini wrote: Not to be seen before 2020. IBM speeds push for 500-mile EV battery - CNET News http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57417588-76/ibm-speeds-push-for-500-mile-ev-battery/ How much time will it take to recharge these batteries? With energy coming from what energy sources? How are national power grids going to cope with the load of millions of EVs requiring dozens of kilowatts of electrical power to get fully recharged in a practical amount of time? Battery capacity (= car range) is a serious issue for electric cars in the short term, but unfortunately, not the only one in the medium to long term. Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:Neutronium?
http://io9.com/5899961/neutrium-the-most-neutral-hypothetical-state-of-matter-ever Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
RE: [Vo]:Massive free energy - in the hood
The late John Ott, author of Health and Light as well as a few later books, believed that the color of light emitted by Sodium lamps, as well as auto tail lights, reduced muscle strength by 25%, including the heart muscle. His research suggested that many night auto crashes were likely related to this little known possibility. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Jones Beene [jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 7:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Massive free energy - in the hood From: Terry Blanton Could it be that the crests (towers) are predominantly one polarity and the troughs are the other? If that is true, the massive energy is flowing through the stay cables of the bridge. Notice the lights on the stay cables. How could they survive? Good point. Assuming the wiring for the lighting is fairly well insulated from direct shorting, which it would have to be in a salty environment – then we must ask how much cross inductance is possible? This gets back to amp-turns, no? There would be lots of amps but few turns in the “current path” of the lightning surge, so inductance to the lamps could be less than expected. The big support cable should heat up noticeably however. That in itself is worrisome, since this bridge is a senior citizen. It would be instructive to know if the lights experienced a strong surge in brightness… and how many, if any, failed. Most lighting of this kind in this area is sodium vapor – which can withstand massive surges, since there is no filament at all. San Francisco is one of those so-called “liberal” localities - where public “light pollution” is a real issue overriding lowest cost- and sodium lamps are favored for this – but I do not know for a fact that these are of that type (however they do look to be “sodium yellow” in the image) J.
[Vo]:Fukushima pool #4 presents a potential nightmare
Former UN advisor: If No. 4 pool collapses I’ve been told “during 50 years, you cannot contain” Nuclear Expert: Fukushima spent fuel has 85 times more cesium than released at Chernobyl — “It would destroy the world environment and our civilization… http://akiomatsumura.com/2012/04/682.html Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
[Vo]:Experiment re nucleus.
This appeared at ZPEnergy.com today and may contain bits of interest. WGUGLINSKI writes: Is there need a New Physics for explaining cold fusion ? It seems most quantum theorists believe that there is no need a New Physics for explaining cold fusion occurrence. For instance, the Widom-Larsen theory considers that there is no need a New Physics for explaining cold fusion. Several times I told my opinion ...cold fusion requires a New Physics. The experiment made by John Arrington shows that I am right. His experiments are showing the internal structure of nuclei: http://www.inovacaotecnologica.com.br/noticias/noticia.php?artigo=nova-imagem-nucleo-atomoid=010115120324 The berillyum nucleus defies what we know from current Nuclear Physics. Look the first figure in that link. In the berillyium nucleus the central 2He4 and the other nucleons are separated by a distance of 7fm. But the strong force actuates in distances shorter than 2fm. Therefore, according to Nuclear Physics, the structure of berillyium is IMPOSSIBLE to exist. In another words, the berillyum nucleus destroys the current nuclear models of Nuclear Physics. According to the nuclear model of Quantum Ring Theory, in the lightest nuclei the distance between the central 2He4 and the other nucleons is between 6fm and 7fm. In the page 232 of the book QRT is calculated the nuclear magnetic momentum of the nucleus 3Li7, in which a deuteron gyrates about the central 2He4 with radius 6fm. Look at the link: http://hexfloor.blogspot.com.br/ So, the structure of berillyum shown by Arrington experiments is proving that the nuclear models of Nuclear Physics are wrong. The nuclei existing in the nature have a structure that it is impossible to be explained by the laws discovered up to now in the field of Nuclear Physics (the strong nuclear force, itself, cannot keep the cohesion of the nuclei). Therefore, as the nuclear model of Nuclear Physics is wrong, (as the structure of berillyum nucleus is pointing out) it makes no sense to try to explain cold fusion by keeping such a wrong model. There is need a new nuclear model, as it is proposed in Quantum Ring Theory. Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
RE: [Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will.
I largely agree with Jed's comments. However, I am an emotional optimist and an intellectual pessimist. The first page of my Aesop website may be of interest. It reads: NASA officials see a likely barrage of solar storms striking Earth’s geomagnetic field. Solar storms large enough to destroy energy grids around the world for months, or even years, have been predicted to occur up to 14 times within the next 3 years. After just a few days without grid or standby power, many nuclear plants might become meltdown candidates! 400 Chernobyls is the title of the lead article in DIRE WARNINGS on the Aesop Institute website. Author Matthew Stein claims an “Apocalyptic scenario is not only possible, but probable” - as a result of solar storms causing multiple meltdowns at nuclear plants worldwide. Evacuation costs near a US nuclear plant could easily exceed one trillion dollars and contaminated land would be uninhabitable for generations. Such storms may become commonplace for the foreseeable future. Space physicist Pete Riley, senior scientist at Predictive Science, has calculated there is a shockingly likely - 1 in 8, or 12.5% - chance of a catastrophic solar storm striking between now and 2020. Millions, or even hundreds of millions, of lives - might be saved by rapid, wise, action! A few Black Swans, highly improbable innovations with positive implications, appear able to protect critical power grids and provide long-term standby power capability at all nuclear facilities. Other encouraging Black Swans, to the surprise of many, will soon begin to create CHEAP GREEN power (see that title on the Aesop Institute site). If produced as fast as is humanly possible, cost-competitive renewable systems can accelerate very much needed changes - such as permanently lower fuel prices - even in the absence of solar storms - and sharply boost the economy, generating large numbers of jobs. The interest in lower gasoline and oil prices may help move cost-competitive renewable energy forward. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Jed Rothwell [jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 2:04 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will. Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.commailto:oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: Are you saying that oil companies would rather try to hide cold fusion than adapt to it? Yes, I am certain they would. They are trying to hide global warming with the help of the Republican party, with considerable success. Did they pay off MIT and other mainstream scientists to cover up cold fusion? Not as far as I know. The MIT people are in the plasma fusion program. They attacked cold fusion to preserve their own funding. That's what they said, and I believe them. I doubt U.S. the oil companies have played any role in the opposition to cold fusion. As far as I know, no one in any major oil company believes that cold fusion might be real, so they have no incentive to oppose it. in Japan, the fossil fuel energy cartels and the nuclear power industry did get together to prevent funding for cold fusion, a few years ago. (Before the Fukishima disaster.) The Minister of Energy told some cold fusion researchers I know that the government will not support this research because it would disrupt the energy market. I have no doubt that when the oil companies, coal companies, wind turbine manufacturers and other conventional energy companies realize that cold fusion is real, they will pull out the stops and do everything they can to prevent it from being developed. They will spend millions on Washington lobbyists trying to crush the research. Some human behavior is mysterious. Other behavior can be predicted with confidence. This behavior is as certain as the fact that if you open a window in a tall building and drop a few thousand dollars in loose bills onto Wall Street, people passing by will take the money. The coal industry is presently at war with wind power, trying to make it illegal in the U.S., because it has taken 4% of their business, and it threatens to take half. Wind power and big coal would gladly strangle one another by any means. Their favorite method is to have Congress do it by passing laws. They will not hesitate to cooperate with one another to strangle cold fusion. This is business. It is about money. Money is more important to most people than the survival of the planet, or the survival of their own children and grandchildren. Fortunately, cold fusion will be worth trillions of dollars to powerful industrial corporations and investors. So even though Exxon and others will do all they can to prevent it, others will probably see
[Vo]:Cern Presentation Summary
Vo, This article by David French is his Summary of the Cern presentations. http://coldfusionnow.org/?p=15307 FYI, Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
RE: [Vo]:Page 4 missing
Jones, all, Since this was an Unclassified SBIR Final Report, copies may be available from the USAF without charge. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Jones Beene [jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 9:53 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Page 4 missing An important paper, relative to Ni-H which is on the LENR archive site: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GernertNnascenthyd.pdf has a page missing – page 4 - and it could be important. I had not noticed this before, or else forgot it - but cannot imagine why it would be left out intentionally by Thermacore … unless there was proprietary information on it, which seems unlikely, given they have disclosed so much detail elsewhere. Does anyone have this page? Since the paper was on the BLP site for many years until removed, the missing page could have been downloaded in complete form by someone from that site (or else BLP is the offending page remover since they did not want a detail to be known), but anyway – this problem is worth fixing, for the permanent record. This paper establishes a high level of prior art, now in the public domain for gas-phase Ni-H – and this can eliminate spurious claims from patent trolls and the like which are sure to surface in the future, once the technology is established. Jones
RE: [Vo]:What are the Odds?
This is an important article, as is the research paper behind it. To date, little has been done to minimize the potential nuclear nightmare that could result from such a catastrophic solar storm. The Wired article totally omits that little recognized aspect. See 400 Chernobyls? and Dire Warnings - at www.aesopinstitute.org for an overview of a worst case scenario. Much can be done - if we are wise enough to do it. Decentralization of energy should be sharply accelerated. The positive economic impact would be substantial. With sufficient support, systems discussed on vortex might make a huge contribution. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Terry Blanton [hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:39 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:What are the Odds? Of a catastrophic solar storm? Would you believe 12.5%? http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/02/massive-solar-flare/ Time to stock the root cellar. T
RE: [Vo]:Over unity - Joseph Yater
Joseph Yater did substantial work in the diode conversion arena. See: http://www.rexresearch.com/yater/yater.htm See also what I believe was his last Patent: US 5,889,287 Unfortunately, he was unable to raise sufficient funds to commercialize his work and has passed on. I believe his daughters tried to continue the effort but it seems to have been to no avail. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Jones Beene [jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:47 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Over unity at MIT Did you ever think you would hear MIT bragging about overunity? Thermoelectrically Pumped Light-Emitting Diodes Operating above Unity Efficiencyhttp://link.aps.org/doi/10.1103/PhysRevLett.108.097403 Parthiban Santhanam, Dodd Joseph Gray, Jr., and Rajeev J. Ram Phys. Rev. Lett. 108, 097403 (2012)http://link.aps.org/doi/10.1103/PhysRevLett.108.097403 Published February 27, 2012 Physicists have known for decades that, in principle, a semiconductor device can emit more light power than it consumes electrically. Experiments published in Physical Review Letters finally demonstrate this in practice, though at a small scale. It is clear that the “Joule thief” and “Joule ringer” experiments that pepper the internet can produce more light from LEDs than should be available from the electrical input. The best I have seen is 50 uwatts going in to light an LED (that’s micro- not milli-). This is 1000 times lower than the DC rating. If you have been around Vortex for a while you may remember 5-6 years ago there was a vocal proponent of using Silicon chip-making equipment (microlithography) to fabricate a dedicated ambient-to-electric converter – the so-called giga-diode TEG array. A interesting fellow named Charles M. Brown, from Hawaii, was the major proponent of this. He seems to have faded from view around 2007 but he claimed to have a “fab” lined up to produce such an array. His patent goes pack 37 years. In his last postings, he said this was to be GaAs or GaSb and have several billion diodes. He was going to enter this device in the Virgin alternative energy competition and according to this message – he did arrange to have a few produced. This is an interesting thread but the output is low. Apparently this is Paul Lowrance’s site (former vortician) http://www.globalfreeenergy.info/2009/06/18/new-diode-setup-plans/ There is old info up on Sterling Allan’s site (with Brown’s patent reference), but it seems to have not been updated in a while: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Charles_M._Brown%27s_Thermal_Electric_Chip Jones BTW- Lowrance adds, “Low leakage *undisturbed* diodes typically produce 0.2 to 0.5 volts DC. Piezos typically produce 1 to 7 volts DC. The key is in not disturbing the diode. The effect is extremely sensitive. Once disturbed, the passive component can take weeks to months to recover. [why should “undisturbed” matter? Does making a connection to ZPE require some kind of local stability?] The effect has baffled some of the best academic scientists. The unknown effect appears to be based on E-fields, and nothing to do with diode rectification. Within the diode is an intense E-field at the junction. Passive piezo elements have an intense internal E-field. Tests replicated by numerous academic scientists clearly show that highly shielded (both electrical and thermal) and undisturbed piezos produce DC voltage, and current when loaded. This effect is seen in various types of diodes and piezo elements. Low leakage components are recommended for best results. Experiments were conducted in rural areas, under-ground, up to three layers of metal shielding, in oil baths, up to 2 feet of thermal insulation. Dozens of different types of meters were used, including 100% passive tests void of all power active components.
RE: [Vo]:Over unity - Joseph Yater
Jones, Yater produced Proof of Concept devices. As far as I am aware, he felt that practical systems were only limited by the lack of finance for such controversial work. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Jones Beene [jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:26 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Over unity - Joseph Yater -Original Message- From: Mark Goldes Joseph Yater did substantial work in the diode conversion arena. See: http://www.rexresearch.com/yater/yater.htm See also what I believe was his last Patent: US 5,889,287 Unfortunately, he was unable to raise sufficient funds to commercialize his work and has passed on. I believe his daughters tried to continue the effort but it seems to have been to no avail. Mark, Interesting in several ways. The contrast between Yater and Brown would make a good case study for a patent lawyer. Brown had the earliest filing date of the two, but he bases the active elements in his array on diodes while Yater carefully avoids that designation. Yater in his recent work is labeling this active element as a quantum well - but it is a functional diode. In both cases the concept is to find a small effect and then to etch billions (later over a trillion) of identical devices onto a chip. Yates is also successful at getting a brand new patent in 1999 which is almost identical to the old patent in 1965, except for the addition of then QM lingo and particularly the so-called quantum well. It is no wonder that a deep pockets company, which performed thorough due diligence on this string of patents would reject Yater's IP coverage as inadequate. If the concept worked at all, then there is probably little protection to be had, given the long string of prior art. More likely is that Yater's device may not have worked as planned for the same reason that Brown's (apparently) did not work - which gets us back to the issue of disturbance. I find it very troubling from a theoretical perspective that a device can be robust when completely isolated, but almost dead when disturbed. Anyway, both of these devices seem to be so brilliant on first viewing, and given that we know that samples were made - and yet a PoC was never proved, we are left with the worry: does conservation of energy always win out in the end in thermoelectric devices, and for such an unsatisfying rationale? Jones
[Vo]:Tungsten?
also know that tungsten can be a catalyst in various applications, including helping to produce atomic hydrogen. We have been told that the catalysts in Rossi’s system help produce atomic hydrogen, which can then interact with the reaction sites on the nickel powder. Could tungsten produce atomic hydrogen in an E-Cat? 4) If I remember correctly, Tungsten has been used in other cold fusion systems. Rossi made an interesting comment on his blog. He stated the following. Andrea Rossi February 23rd, 2012 at 11:05 AM Dear Helmut H.: Not only MIT, but many others. Many copies derived from our patent application have been made, this is why the competition is on the market: who will be able to produce the best at the best price will win. Warm Regards, A.R. If copies can be derived from the patent application, does that mean that it might have information about the catalysts? I am hoping that there are people who read E-Catworld that understand more than I do about physics, that can determine the identity of the anomalous line. If we can determine what it is and if tungsten really is used in the E-Cat, it could help us better understand this amazing technology.” Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
RE: [Vo]:Supply and demand in market economy
Automation is eliminating jobs everywhere and requires that we develop dramatically new approaches to distributing income. Here is one that restores the missing demand. The late Louis Kelso, inventor of the Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP) used by 11,000 firms in the USA, recognized the problem early on. He outlined what he called: The Second Income Plan, as a potential solution. See Second Incomes for All, on the Aesop Institute website. That proposed Capital Homestead Act would provide substantial investment income for almost everyone, without depending on savings. The book Binary Economics, by Robert Ashford and Rodney Shakespeare, provides the underpinning for an abundant economy. It grew out of the Kelso work. This new economic paradigm is every bit as important as cheap green energy. It inherently deconcentrates wealth in a manner that may prove acceptable to almost everyone. Kelso's goal was to make it possible to derive half of your income from investments at as early an age as possible. That would open a door to the most genuinely free society in human history. It can be adapted to all industrial nations. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: Jouni Valkonen [jounivalko...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:54 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Supply and demand in market economy It is theoretically very important to differentiate supply and demand. Almost without exception theoretical discussion on economics revolves around the supply side. People pay always attention that there are enough capital to make new investments. I think that this is wrong, but we should look more about the demand side of the economic coin. I would say that it is far more important and especially it is now, because supply side is expanding ever increasing pace, but consumers has not enough purchasing power to meet the supply. Of course this has problem that prices are dropping, but I think that the drop in price only drives weakest manufacturers out of the market and those are winning, who can produce with cheapest costs. And today it always means misusing cheap labour force in developing countries. Therefore I would say that it far more important to boost demand side as much as possible. This gives the actors in the market better opportunities for honest choice, where also quality and ethical foot print are also evaluated. Not always the cheapest price is the best option for economic growth developing new innovations. Also when demand side is optimised, there is more room for different competitors to push into market, because there are also more niches for different producers. When cheapest price is the strongest denominator, there is little room for competition, because the economy of scale will triumph the market. And more importantly, if demand side is high, supply side will always meet the demand, because production and selling products is more profitable. Therefore finding capital is not the problem. And last, but certainly not the least argument is, that if there are too much wealth used for investments, it goes without saying, that there are huge amounts of misinvestments occurring. But if markets are controlled by demand side, then probability for misinvestments is greatly reduced.That is mostly because new entrepreneurs are starting with low capital, but they can quickly accumulate capital by selling products into market that are rich in demand. This gives successful enterprises huge potential for accumulating capital and thus, they do not even need investors for supplying initial capital to the company. This free market economy side is often neglected although it is a polar opposite to more commonly discussed capitalistic side of the economy. We have very simple means to optimise the demand in the market. And up to 1970's United States had world's highest relative demand in the market. But these days are now gone and demand side of the economy is ever decreasing and Europe is rapidly catching America's, because here we have higher emphasis for demand side. Although I think that this is a problem also here in Europe, because demand is relatively shrinking, but not as rapidly. –Jouni For reference, here is the well known and very scary graph how demand side has fallen in the expense of supply side in USA: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/28230378/family_income_median_income_growth_productivity1.png On 17 Feb 2012, at 17:07, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This is a political topic which, as Robert pointed out, should be moved to vortexb-l. However I would like to make some apolitical comments which I hope will not be considered controversial. I am a big fan of capitalism. I think I made that clear in my book
[Vo]:E-Cat 511 kev gamma
Rossi has consistently refused to provide details of what is going on inside the E-Cat reactor, but he has mentioned that gamma rays have been detected. Recently in a video interview when asked about whether the E-Cat was a ‘cold fusion’ technology he said, “we have found traces of fusion because we have found 511 kev gamma rays at the output, which is the emission of a positron and an electron, and a positron is the product of a proton turning into a neutron, so we have some kind of fusion inside, but I do not think this is the main energy source.” E-Cat World 2-9-12 This may be old news, but in case not... Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org
[Vo]:ARPA-E answers questions about fullfilling their mission
Several of you may find this of interest. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org _ From: Cold Fusion Now [donotre...@wordpress.com] Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 4:45 PM To: Mark Goldes Subject: [New post] ARPA-E answers questions about fullfilling their mission New post on Cold Fusion Now by Ruby Carathttp://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/author/rubycarat/ The House Committee on Space, Science, and Technology's Subcommittee on Investigations and Oversight held a hearing on January 24, 2012 to review the efforts of the Advanced Research Projects Agency – Energy (ARPA-E), a Department of Energy (DOE) agency tasked with funding cutting-edge energy research “in areas that industry by itself is not likely to undertake because of technical and financial uncertainty.” According to the Subcommittee press releasehttp://science.house.gov/press-release/members-question-oversight-and-administration-arpa-e, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) and the Department of Energy Inspector General's (IG) office both issued reports that found ARPA-E funding practices and procedures appearing to veer from this mission. In particular, the GAO's Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy Could Benefit from Information on Applicants’ Prior Funding reported that 12 of the 18 companies it identified as having received private sector funding prior to their ARPA-E award planned to use ARPA-E funding to either advance or accelerate prior-funded work. Further, Chairman Broun noted, “Similarly, a review of GAO work papers and publicly available information indicates numerous instances of overlap and duplication between ARPA-E and both public and private sector funding.” In addition, DOE’s Office of the Inspector General (IG) released its own audit in August 2011 that focused on “whether ARPA-E implemented safeguards necessary to achieve its goals and objectives and to effectively deploy associated Recovery Act resources.” Two of the three awards examined in detail by the IG had questionable costs of $280,387. Included among these costs were “meetings with bankers to raise capital” and a “fee to appear on a local television show.” Despite concerns regarding these uses of taxpayer dollars, the DOE IG noted in its report that such activities were cited as an allowable cost by ARPA-E under its Technology Transfer and Outreach policy. [http://coldfusionnow.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/arun-maj-012412_arpe-13.jpg?w=150h=112]http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=13306 ARPA-E, DOE IG, and GAO each testified. Testifying were Dr. Arun Majumdar, Director, Advanced Research Projects Agency – Energy, U.S., Gregory Friedman, Inspector General, U.S. Department of Energy and Mr. Frank Rusco, Director, Energy and Science Issues, U.S. Government Accountability Office. [http://coldfusionnow.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/roscoe-bartlett-012412_arpe-18.jpg?w=150h=112]http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=13286 Roscoe Bartlett [http://coldfusionnow.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/dana-rohrabaher-012412_arpe-19_0.jpg?w=150h=112]http://coldfusionnow.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=13287 Dana Rohrabacher This particular Sub-committee has members such as Representatives Roscoe Bartlett, who has championed the Peak Oil issue in the House for years, though to deaf ears, and Dana Rohrabacher, who spoke out in support of Drs. Fleischmann and Ponshttp://articles.latimes.com/1989-06-17/local/me-1471_1_cold-fusion-chemists-science twenty-three years ago. The Chairman of the Subcommittee, Paul Broun said in his statement that “while it is clear many ARPA-E projects are pursuing high-quality, potentially transformative research that is too risky for private investment, reviews of GAO work papers and publicly available information reveal many exceptions to this practice, and raise questions regarding ARPA-E’s commitment to ‘carefully structure its projects to avoid any overlap with public and private sources of funding.’” Specifically, the reports detail information showing that: Numerous awardees indicated to GAO they would use ARPA-E funding to accelerate work they were already pursuing. Numerous awardees’ proposals overlap and even duplicate efforts supported elsewhere in DOE and other Federal agencies. The Administration touted ARPA-E awardees that received private sector funding after their ARPA-E award as proof that ARPA-E is working and successful; however, ten of these eleven recipients had also received significant private sector funding prior to receiving their award, raising questions regarding the degree to which the ARPA-E award itself was the driver of the follow-on funding. Of the 44 identified small- and medium-size companies that received ARPA-E awards, a review of USASpending.gov shows that 26, or 59 percent
[Vo]:World's best H2 catalyst?
http://www.virtual-strategy.com/2012/02/08/phillips-announces-worlds-best-catalyst-producing-hydrogen-fuel-water Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org
FW: [Vo]:ET - fly home?
Jones, Robotic spacecraft capable of visiting Goldilocks planets, as hard as it may be to believe, may prove possible. Star Scientific Ltd. Claims to be perfecting a technique to economically and constantly produce huge quantities of pions. Their website states: “Muons are the decayed products of pions, and are the catalysts in the fusion of two hydrogen isotopes, a process which releases copious amounts of energy. The beauty of the muon is that it acts very much like an electron whose job it is to bond atoms together into molecules. Since a muon is 207 times heavier than an electron, it bumps the electron out of the way and replaces it. Because the orbit of the heavier muon is much closer, it causes the atoms in the molecule to draw closer until the natural repelling force is overcome and a strong nuclear force brings the atoms together – causing them to fuse. This process kicks the muon out to do it all over again some 300 times. This fusion gives us energetic neutrons.” The late Dr. Robert Carroll, a mathematical physicist who worked with Aesop Institute for 12 years until his passing, filed a rejected patent application for Pion fusion in 1971. Using Pion fusion, a Pion (Antimatter) Drive, might allow spacecraft to carry us far beyond the solar system at amazing speeds. Einstein’s mechanics allows a Pion space drive to achieve speeds that will approach the speed of light. In contrast, Carrollian, non-relativistic, physics posits a superluminal Pion powered space drive may approach a speed of 20,000,000 times that of light. If he should be proven correct, Dr. Carroll’s lifetime pursuit of an alternative physics might open paths leading to technology for robotic exploration of Goldilocks planets. Until there is independent laboratory verification of both the Star claim - and some evidence Carroll was correct concerning a pion drive, skepticism is certainly warranted. Mark From: Jones Beene [jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:47 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:ET - Call home Steven, The most basic reason that I think Sitchin and other proponents of physical visitation by aliens (the ancient astronaut bogosity) are misguided, at least on the issue of tangibility is this. Logic dictates that any advanced civilization, if they exist at all, will not be encumbered by our (humanity's) numerous faults, ego-based deficiencies and animalistic desires. Brutal conquest is out of the question (except in a good SciFi movie) and thus, if they can transmit information in an intangible but directed way, why waste the expense and risk of *physical* space travel? There is nothing to be gained from a logical perspective by being there in person, as we may find out in our collective future, Newt notwithstanding. Especially not if you hold the less controversial view that so-called remote viewing is not only possible, but can be made robust using technology. Combine that with directed meme influence and this explains everything about UFOs and ETs. Controlled Remote Viewing (CRV) is a hot topic these days, and I'm sure you know more about it than I do, but Puthoff could be correct on many issues we follow here, and this is yet another one. The precise logical argument is: when you can direct the information necessary to produce the kind of change you desire at lightspeed, but can only get a large and costly space vehicle up to a small fraction of lightspeed - then the changes you wanted to influence (at the ultimate destination, including some benign form of 'conquest') would already be in place long before any vehicle could arrive - so why send one? Even benign conquest is accomplished easier from within more so than from without. Isn't this kind of evolutionary displacement (in the sense of determining the next dominant species on Earth) exactly what computers and networks are doing to us anyway ? :) Hello, Matrix. Finally, from the economist - which option wins in terms of net cost? CRV plus directed memes, or a manufactured space craft? That is a no-brainer in terms of cost. There is little doubt that when advanced populations reach a certain level - everything breaks down to cost. And yes a modicum of proof could be found soon - that civilizations elsewhere are transmitting meme information directly to us, possibly to influence such things as computer development and the WWW. The proof could be found a special kind of data processor designed for one thing - ostensibly - but which will document the nature of remote information transfer directly. In effect, it will allow ET to call on a dedicated line. This could be it, but if not, it's a good metaphor since it deals with probability: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Lyric-Invents-New-Type-of-Processor-the-Probability-Chip-152489.shtml And moreover they have arguably being doing this kind of non-physical information transfer
FW: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective
From: Mark Goldes Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:55 AM To: Yamali Yamali Subject: RE: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective The eventual death toll from Fukushima is estimated to reach as high as one million. The Northern Lights are particularly beautiful lately for a little recognized reason. Here are some comments from the nuclear scientist who publishes pissinontheroses.com The recent solar event will interact with high atomic weight fallout (both radioactive and NON-radioactive) in the upper atmosphere and produce a witches' brew of new radioactive fallout via nuclear spallation processes.” Experts are starting to get a glimpse into how little they know about the witches' brew coming out of Fukushima. Today's revelation is that FukushimaUranium is forming Bucky Balls via the action of salt water. So what is so bad about Radioactive Uranium Bucky balls? Well, picture some one throwing very fine, non caking, radioactive talcum powder into the air; that in essence is the outcome of this finding. But it gets worse, imagine that radioactive talcum powder behaving and dispersing the exact same way when thrown into the water. But it gets worse, notice in the picture above that the Buck Ball is actually a cage, now picture plutonium atoms trapped inside that cage. But it gets worse, now picture how much greater a target these Bucky Balls are for spallation in the upper atmosphere. What this finding means is that ALL the dispersion models are wrong, and NOT in the good way. It also means that the internal impact and damage from inhaling or consuming these particles is far greater than would otherwise be expected. However, don't expect the it's safe mantra to change. If you want to even begin to have an idea how bad this situation is, Google the medical effects of Nano Particles(and remember they are discussing NON-Radioactive nano-particles) Mark __ From: Yamali Yamali [yamaliyam...@yahoo.de] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:47 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective Sorry - answered to the wrong mail at first. the standby diesel generators depend upon the grid They don't. The whole point about diesel backup power is that the grid might be unavailable. Fukujima happened because the diesels were damaged (strange idea, in hindsight, to place them so close and relatively unprotected to the waterline) and they shut down the nuclear reactors rather than leaving them running to provide power for continuous operation. But I see Jed's point about feasability in general. Human error will always happen and can never be ruled out - so sooner or later something like this is bound to happen again. It'll be slightly different, of course, and the lessons learned will be different, but eventually it'll happen. The thing I don't like about the nuclear discussion is that its often totally out of perspective. People talk about Fukujima (which, afaik, didn't cause any deaths) and forget the earthquake itself. I got in a discussion about nuclear energy recently with somebody who's major argument was that 20.000 dead people in Japan are enough. She seriously thought they were caused by radiation rather than water or fallen ceilings. Our government ordered a stress test on all our plants (in Germany they're all along streams rather than the coast) in the aftermath of Fukujima. One of the scenarios was the simulation of a quake causing a broken dam upstream from a plant. They did fairly well in the simulation - but the point is that the worst case scenario would still have caused more than a million deaths. All from the tidal wave washing downstream through narrow, densly populated valleys - none from radiation. Yet the conclusion was to get rid of nukes as fast as possible and (counter intuitively) subsidize alternatives like building more nice green and politically correct dams and large pump hydro storage plants... oh well.
RE: [Vo]:EMP all of the planets N Reactors
... anyway nuke will be dead, because lenr is cheaper. sorry to be rough, but here we can talk of scientific data rejected by the media, yet validated by peer review. 2012/1/28 Mark Goldes mgol...@chavaenergy.commailto:mgol...@chavaenergy.com From: Mark Goldes Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:55 AM To: Yamali Yamali Subject: RE: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective The eventual death toll from Fukushima is estimated to reach as high as one million. The Northern Lights are particularly beautiful lately for a little recognized reason. Here are some comments from the nuclear scientist who publishes pissinontheroses.comhttp://pissinontheroses.com The recent solar event will interact with high atomic weight fallout (both radioactive and NON-radioactive) in the upper atmosphere and produce a witches' brew of new radioactive fallout via nuclear spallation processes.” Experts are starting to get a glimpse into how little they know about the witches' brew coming out of Fukushima. Today's revelation is that FukushimaUranium is forming Bucky Balls via the action of salt water. So what is so bad about Radioactive Uranium Bucky balls? Well, picture some one throwing very fine, non caking, radioactive talcum powder into the air; that in essence is the outcome of this finding. But it gets worse, imagine that radioactive talcum powder behaving and dispersing the exact same way when thrown into the water. But it gets worse, notice in the picture above that the Buck Ball is actually a cage, now picture plutonium atoms trapped inside that cage. But it gets worse, now picture how much greater a target these Bucky Balls are for spallation in the upper atmosphere. What this finding means is that ALL the dispersion models are wrong, and NOT in the good way. It also means that the internal impact and damage from inhaling or consuming these particles is far greater than would otherwise be expected. However, don't expect the it's safe mantra to change. If you want to even begin to have an idea how bad this situation is, Google the medical effects of Nano Particles(and remember they are discussing NON-Radioactive nano-particles) Mark __ From: Yamali Yamali [yamaliyam...@yahoo.demailto:yamaliyam...@yahoo.de] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:47 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective Sorry - answered to the wrong mail at first. the standby diesel generators depend upon the grid They don't. The whole point about diesel backup power is that the grid might be unavailable. Fukujima happened because the diesels were damaged (strange idea, in hindsight, to place them so close and relatively unprotected to the waterline) and they shut down the nuclear reactors rather than leaving them running to provide power for continuous operation. But I see Jed's point about feasability in general. Human error will always happen and can never be ruled out - so sooner or later something like this is bound to happen again. It'll be slightly different, of course, and the lessons learned will be different, but eventually it'll happen. The thing I don't like about the nuclear discussion is that its often totally out of perspective. People talk about Fukujima (which, afaik, didn't cause any deaths) and forget the earthquake itself. I got in a discussion about nuclear energy recently with somebody who's major argument was that 20.000 dead people in Japan are enough. She seriously thought they were caused by radiation rather than water or fallen ceilings. Our government ordered a stress test on all our plants (in Germany they're all along streams rather than the coast) in the aftermath of Fukujima. One of the scenarios was the simulation of a quake causing a broken dam upstream from a plant. They did fairly well in the simulation - but the point is that the worst case scenario would still have caused more than a million deaths. All from the tidal wave washing downstream through narrow, densly populated valleys - none from radiation. Yet the conclusion was to get rid of nukes as fast as possible and (counter intuitively) subsidize alternatives like building more nice green and politically correct dams and large pump hydro storage plants... oh well.
RE: [Vo]:What about fuel trucks and generators?
, linked to tsunami, death of all their family (28000 dead because of living near the sea. we should shutdown the sea), forced evacuation and moving,loss of their jobs and family history ans possesions... many more thousands dead because alcoholism and family violence. maybe the death toll, of fukushima but much even more of the tsunami, could be reduced by cleaning the zone, occupying the victims in that big heroic mission, and then letting them settle back when they feel safe. it seems to be what they are doing, cleaning , measuring dose, even thinking about robotized farming in the tsunami washed zone. when numbers will be published people will understand that the fear is over... anyway nuke will be dead, because lenr is cheaper. sorry to be rough, but here we can talk of scientific data rejected by the media, yet validated by peer review. 2012/1/28 Mark Goldes mgol...@chavaenergy.commailto:mgol...@chavaenergy.com From: Mark Goldes Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:55 AM To: Yamali Yamali Subject: RE: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective The eventual death toll from Fukushima is estimated to reach as high as one million. The Northern Lights are particularly beautiful lately for a little recognized reason. Here are some comments from the nuclear scientist who publishes pissinontheroses.comhttp://pissinontheroses.com The recent solar event will interact with high atomic weight fallout (both radioactive and NON-radioactive) in the upper atmosphere and produce a witches' brew of new radioactive fallout via nuclear spallation processes.” Experts are starting to get a glimpse into how little they know about the witches' brew coming out of Fukushima. Today's revelation is that FukushimaUranium is forming Bucky Balls via the action of salt water. So what is so bad about Radioactive Uranium Bucky balls? Well, picture some one throwing very fine, non caking, radioactive talcum powder into the air; that in essence is the outcome of this finding. But it gets worse, imagine that radioactive talcum powder behaving and dispersing the exact same way when thrown into the water. But it gets worse, notice in the picture above that the Buck Ball is actually a cage, now picture plutonium atoms trapped inside that cage. But it gets worse, now picture how much greater a target these Bucky Balls are for spallation in the upper atmosphere. What this finding means is that ALL the dispersion models are wrong, and NOT in the good way. It also means that the internal impact and damage from inhaling or consuming these particles is far greater than would otherwise be expected. However, don't expect the it's safe mantra to change. If you want to even begin to have an idea how bad this situation is, Google the medical effects of Nano Particles(and remember they are discussing NON-Radioactive nano-particles) Mark __ From: Yamali Yamali [yamaliyam...@yahoo.demailto:yamaliyam...@yahoo.de] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:47 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective Sorry - answered to the wrong mail at first. the standby diesel generators depend upon the grid They don't. The whole point about diesel backup power is that the grid might be unavailable. Fukujima happened because the diesels were damaged (strange idea, in hindsight, to place them so close and relatively unprotected to the waterline) and they shut down the nuclear reactors rather than leaving them running to provide power for continuous operation. But I see Jed's point about feasability in general. Human error will always happen and can never be ruled out - so sooner or later something like this is bound to happen again. It'll be slightly different, of course, and the lessons learned will be different, but eventually it'll happen. The thing I don't like about the nuclear discussion is that its often totally out of perspective. People talk about Fukujima (which, afaik, didn't cause any deaths) and forget the earthquake itself. I got in a discussion about nuclear energy recently with somebody who's major argument was that 20.000 dead people in Japan are enough. She seriously thought they were caused by radiation rather than water or fallen ceilings. Our government ordered a stress test on all our plants (in Germany they're all along streams rather than the coast) in the aftermath of Fukujima. One of the scenarios was the simulation of a quake causing a broken dam upstream from a plant. They did fairly well in the simulation - but the point is that the worst case scenario would still have caused more than a million deaths. All from the tidal wave washing downstream through narrow, densly populated valleys - none from radiation. Yet the conclusion was to get rid of nukes
RE: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective
There is an unrecognized potential nuclear nightmare. We just experienced the strongest solar storm since 2003. Fortunately, it only struck our geomagnetic field a glancing blow. Has it hit directly, it could have brought down power grids for very long periods of time. A nuclear plant without grid power for a month is a meltdown candidate as the standby diesel generators depend upon the grid. NASA and NOAA predict we are in for a dangerous few years of solar storms with the potential to collapse power grids worldwide for years. To see what that can cause, see: 400 Chernobyls? at my non-profit website www.aesopinstitute.org Decentralized, cost-competitive energy must now become an urgent matter. Mark From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson [svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:16 PM To: vortex-l Subject: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective Considering the pro/con ramifications of building 15 MW wind turbines I also noticed that there was some badmouthing of nuclear plants. I'm certainly all for getting rid of nuclear plants as soon as feasibly possible. However, before cleaner cheaper energy becomes ubiquitous it stands to reason that nuclear plans should still be considered a reasonably effective way of generating heat electricity. In the aftermath of the tragic Fukushima disaster many citizens of the planet have become terrified of the evils of nuclear energy and, of course, they have reason. There is, however, real irony in a little understood fact that nuclear plants (under normal operating conditions) emit less radiation into the atmosphere than equivalent coal fire plants. Probably a lot less. What the Fukushima disaster appears to have taught us in huge spades is the fact that locating nuclear plants where both earthquakes and tsunamis will occur on a regular basis is a really, really, REALLY bad idea. The lesson learned: DON'T do it! I want my sushi cold, not hot! OTOH, take another country, like France. They seem to have a pretty good handle on managing their nuclear plants. France's government wisely settled on standardizing the design of their nuclear plants. Standardization helped make it easier to comprehend what each plant's overall strengths and weaknesses are. It helps them know how best to maintain ALL of their nuclear plants. I'd imagine most of the French countryside is not prone to the ravages of fault lines either. Nor are tsunamis an issue - except perhaps for locations close to the Atlantic coast. The lesson learned: No fault lines nearby? No tsunamis nearby? Ok then, let's consider building a nuke plant here... but only after we talk a little more about it over a glass of wine. In the end, I hope my pro-nuclear stance is quickly rendered nothing more than an academic argument. I certainly hope so. However, in the absence of absolute certainty I feel it would be wise of me to continue hedging my bets. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]:David Niebauer non-profit organization to advance cold fusion
As some of you are aware from a vortex post, he met Rossi last year. This is his New Year's Resolution - published yesterday. http://www.cleantechblog.com/2012/01/new-years-resolution-commercialize-free-energy-technology.html He has developed a non-profit organization to try a truly unique approach to advancing the technology: www.fusioncatalyst.org
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:20 kW home E-Cat LCOE
This assumes Rossi has a nuclear reaction. There is reason to believe he might not. Should that be proven, there may be little danger or delay. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:20 kW home E-Cat LCOE Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: If LENR reactions are sufficiently branded as dangerous, they could easily be banned from personal use. They might actually be dangerous. I do not think extensive tests have been performed with rats and other species. I doubt they are anywhere near as dangerous as fission reactions or even burning coal, but it might not be prudent to allow them in houses. I sure wouldn't want one! If extensive tests reveal the reaction is safe, reactors may still be banned for a while because of public perceptions shaped by propaganda from rival energy producers. I do not think this ban will last for long. After a few years, consumers will demand the laws be changed. - Jed
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:20 kW home E-Cat LCOE
This assumes Rossi has a nuclear reaction. There is reason to believe he might not. Should that be proven, there may be little danger or delay. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:20 kW home E-Cat LCOE Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: If LENR reactions are sufficiently branded as dangerous, they could easily be banned from personal use. They might actually be dangerous. I do not think extensive tests have been performed with rats and other species. I doubt they are anywhere near as dangerous as fission reactions or even burning coal, but it might not be prudent to allow them in houses. I sure wouldn't want one! If extensive tests reveal the reaction is safe, reactors may still be banned for a while because of public perceptions shaped by propaganda from rival energy producers. I do not think this ban will last for long. After a few years, consumers will demand the laws be changed. - Jed
[Vo]:David Niebauer non-profit organization to advance cold fusion
As some of you are aware from a vortex post, he met Rossi last year. This is his New Year's Resolution - published yesterday. http://www.cleantechblog.com/2012/01/new-years-resolution-commercialize-free-energy-technology.html He has developed a non-profit organization to try a truly unique approach to advancing the technology: www.fusioncatalyst.org
[Vo]:David Niebauer non-profit organization to advance cold fusion
As some of you are aware from a vortex post, he met Rossi last year. This is his New Year's Resolution - published yesterday. http://www.cleantechblog.com/2012/01/new-years-resolution-commercialize-free-energy-technology.html He has developed a non-profit organization to try a truly unique approach to advancing the technology: www.fusioncatalyst.org Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax
Re: [Vo]: SECOND INCOMES ARE A SOLUTION!
The late Louis Kelso recognized this problem many years ago. In addition to his widely known Employee Stock Ownerhship Plan, utilized by about 11,000 companies, he advocated a Second Income Plan. The latest incarnation is a Capital Homestead Act. See SECOND INCOMES FOR ALL, at www.aesopinstitute.org The book Binary Economics provides a comprehensive analysis for anyone interested. From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:More drama: open letter to Christos Stemmenos from Defkalion GT Understanding the underlying economics of how many consumer products (like the iPad) are manufactured is going to be a difficult and soul-searching process for most Americans. This probably goes for the entire developed world as well. As is becoming obvious to most of us that care to dig a little into the matter, the dirty little secret behind why many consumer products are cheap is because they were assembled by hoards individuals who are being paid wages that are a fraction of what it would cost to assemble if they were assembled within our own affluent borders. An irony in all of this is the fact that for many of these individuals the sub-standard wages (at least from our perspective) for which they are being paid is probably better than what they could get anywhere else in their own country. This, of course, does not in any way, shape, or form condone the fact that many of these workers are being exploited in reprehensible ways by their employer, and perhaps by their own government as well. For a very long time economists and policy makers have felt obligated to grapple with the following conundrum: ONE: Should developed countries continue to assemble consumer products outside of their borders in less developed economies, in places where labor is a fraction of what it would cost if assembled domestically in order to make the products cheaper, so that in theory more of us in the developed world can afford to buy them. Or TWO... do the developed countries endeavor to rehire assembly workers within their own borders at significantly higher wagers, which in turn boosts the price of the product, which in theory means less of us in the developed countries can afford to buy them. It always seemed to be a trade off. But then, as books like Lights in The Tunnel by Martin Ford are making clear, the above age-old conundrum may soon no longer apply anymore. Advances in automation, robotics, and AI may sooner than we realize render it uneconomical to hire workers in even the cheapest underdeveloped countries - because it's cheaper to hire a robot do it. How each country's currency will continue to get evenly and fairly distributed throughout their borders (in order to keep consumer-based economies running), where more and more jobs are slowing being taken over by robots and AI systems, is going to be a major task future governments are going to have to confront head on. Refusing to grapple with it will do us all in. PS: I also read Martin Ford's book Lights in the Tunnel on my brand new iPAD2. Mr. Rothwell was the individual who first brought the book to my attention. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Will Robots Steal Your Job?
Louis Kelso foresaw the automation issue decades ago. See Second Incomes for All at www.aesopinstitute.org A Capital Homestead Act has been proposed that grew directly out of his ideas regarding a way to deal with the problem. From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Will Robots Steal Your Job? Jouni sez: This article references Martin Ford's Lights in the Tunnel which was discussed here. I have not yet read the article, but one short comment about the topic. That robots are stealing our jobs is not an issue, because we can tax robots and give money to the poor as a basic income. Robots may steal our McJobs, but they will not steal our money. Say what ...tax robots??? Robots will never earn any income. They are slaves. You can't tax income from slaves that never earn income. It will have to be the corporations that all of these employ robots that will have to be taxed with an employment tax. Unfortunately, and particularly within the United States, you can be sure American corporations will resist paying employment taxes. Super conservative political organizations like the Tea Party organization will have nothing to do with it. Nevertheless, governments will have to go after corporations that have systematically thrown out employees in favor of employing robots that don't need to be paid and don't need expensive health insurance. Governments will need to institute some kind of a reasonably fair employment tax system that these corporations must pay. Unfortunately, I suspect most corporations and will vehemently resist any of these kinds of taxation measures. From their POV why would any corporation in their right mind want to be taxed in order to generate income for someone else that from their perspective contributes nothing to the value of their company. Such a perception is, of course, extremely short sighted. By not paying any kind of employment taxes these corporations will essentially sign our country's economic death warrant. They will end up eating their own young and all of us along with them. Too many unemployed will continue to remain unemployed, unable buy any of the very products and services that these corporations now produce through robotics and artificial intelligence. The will end up signing their own corporate death sentences. Hopefully, smarter heads than those running conservative organizations like the Tea Party movement will eventually prevail. Hopefully enough will see the light at the end of the tunnel. So far, however, nobody seems to be willing to look at these issues for what they is. As such, I have serious concerns. This employment/taxation issue is discussed in the book by Martin Ford, Lights in the Tunnel Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]: employment second incomes for all
Automation and job outsourcing require new ways to distribute income. See Second Incomes for All on my Aesop Institute website. Bertrand Russell has a brilliant 1932 article on a 4 hour workday that I believe is still up there. LENR is one of a handful of Black Swans - highly improbable innovations with huge implications. For a few others see Moving Beyond Oil on the same Aesop site. The opening material on that website concerns a little recognized threat, far worse than a terror attack, which can cause multiple meltdowns at nuclear plants across the planet. Preventing that from happening can be done. It will require a BOLD action program that can create many jobs in the interim. See A New, New Deal and a Human Investment Tax Credit program on the same website for a few suggestions based on proven financial techniques and incentives.
Re: [Vo]:what our post industrial society may look like
The Brooklyn Project: see www.aesopinstitute.com includes the statement: “the current economic turmoil is lighting up the huge errors and abuses in the financial system. Correcting these problems at their root could conceivably open a path to a far wider distribution of wealth and opportunity.” TARGET A 20 HOUR WEEK BY AGE 50 – SUPPLEMENTED BY INCOME FROM INVESTMENTS! As Jed has pointed out, utomation is accelerating and eliminating millions of jobs. Computers replace entire professions, for example, office secretary and elevator operator. The 500 largest firms in the world have sharply increased production and sales, while reducing the workforce. Jobless growth is leading toward one billion unemployed worldwide. The time has come to consider new ideas and open a path, consistent with democracy, freedom and enterprise, to generate widespread prosperity. As Herbert Marcuse suggested in Eros and Civilization, define toil as work not freely chosen, no matter how simple. Work we choose, no matter how difficult, falls under the psychological category of play. We can encourage efforts to gradually reduce the time people spend -- at work not chosen -- to twenty hours weekly. Money displaced from the nominal forty hour week will need to be replaced with sound, diversified investment income that is not dependent upon savings. As difficult as this may be to accomplish, the odds are great that it can be done. By age 50, a future work week consisting of five four hour days is one obvious possibility. As a thought experiment, examine the possibility of two ten hour days – with five days each week to employ and enjoy as you wish. The positive (and a few negative) implications will quickly become obvious. Most people are trapped by mortgage payments, car payments, etc., in jobs they do not love. There is a simple test: Would they continue to do the same work without pay? Only a few fortunate individuals have the freedom to learn who they are, and more important, who they might become, given the time for both spiritual reflection and inner growth, as well as genuine opportunities to prosper and contribute to the greater material good of mankind; not just in a narrow financial sense. Such truly free citizens would also help to insure an ongoing, enlightened, political discourse, not easily manipulated. Expanded ownership opportunities, such as those initiated by the late Louis Kelso (who initiated the goal of adjusting to automation by having half of one’s income derived from investments) and the Center for Economic and Social Justice, open doors to substantial second incomes. As a consequence the toil component of the work week can gradually diminish. See: www.cesj.org Perhaps, that might open the possibility of the most genuinely free society in human history. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 3:46:49 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:what our post industrial society may look like I wrote: We will have to find a way to give everyone what they need and want with a new kind of economy. Not communism, socialism or capitalism. All three are ways of allocating human labor, and they would be equally unworkable in a world where human labor is useless. I did not mean to suggest that communism, socialism and capitalism are equally good, or equally effective, or that these are the only economic systems ever invented. They are the main three still surviving in the modern world. They are mostly in mixed configurations depending on market sector; i.e., Japan is mostly big-corporate capitalist but their healthcare sector is socialist. Someone in the New York Times wrote a letter in response to this column, about unemployment: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/opinion/10herbert.html The letter says what I had in mind. It is well written. QUOTE: . . . There was a time in the early years of this country in which 90% of employed people worked on farms. An economy that did not have agriculture as the main source of livelihood was beyond imagining. . . . Our world is increasingly becoming one in which more and more jobs do not really require people at all. Productivity per worker is not a function of expertise, which is at an all-time low. Rather, it is the product of the automation of the workplace and of the tools at hand. This process could be much farther along than it is, but people are still somewhat cheaper than new technology. That will not remain the state of the workplace much longer. It is becoming increasingly necessary envision how an economy would work in which every job could be performed without humans at all. Who would own the means of production? How would people acquire purchasing power? Would these concepts even be relevant? Author John Varley described such an economy on the moon in Steel Beach. Further exploration is definitely in order. We are
Re: [Vo]:what our post industrial society may look like
I'm not suggesting any limit would apply to work you choose. Only to work you do not care to do. From: fznidar...@aol.com fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 5:58:41 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:what our post industrial society may look like I used to work 40 hrs a week in the 70's, 80's and 90's. I told my boss that I would like to work 40 hrs a week again. He replied, What you don't want to work! In todays economy you either work all of the time or don't work at all. Frank Z By age 50, a future work week consisting of five four hour days is one obvious possibility. As a thought experiment, examine the possibility of two ten hour days – with five days each week to employ and enjoy as you wish. -Original Message- From: Mark Goldes overton...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:18 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:what our post industrial society may look like The Brooklyn Project: see www.aesopinstitute.com includes the statement: “the current economic turmoil is lighting up the huge errors and abuses in the financial system. Correcting these problems at their root could conceivably open a path to a far wider distribution of wealth and opportunity.” TARGET A 20 HOUR WEEK BY AGE 50 – SUPPLEMENTED BY INCOME FROM INVESTMENTS! As Jed has pointed out, utomation is accelerating and eliminating millions of jobs. Computers replace entire professions, for example, office secretary and elevator operator. The 500 largest firms in the world have sharply increased production and sales, while reducing the workforce. Jobless growth is leading toward one billion unemployed worldwide. The time has come to consider new ideas and open a path, consistent with democracy, freedom and enterprise, to generate widespread prosperity. As Herbert Marcuse suggested in Eros and Civilization, define toil as work not freely chosen, no matter how simple. Work we choose, no matter how difficult, falls under the psychological category of play. We can encourage efforts to gradually reduce the time people spend -- at work not chosen -- to twenty hours weekly. Money displaced from the nominal forty hour week will need to be replaced with sound, diversified investment income that is not dependent upon savings. As difficult as this may be to accomplish, the odds are great that it can be done. By age 50, a future work week consisting of five four hour days is one obvious possibility. As a thought experiment, examine the possibility of two ten hour days – with five days each week to employ and enjoy as you wish. The positive (and a few negative) implications will quickly become obvious. Most people are trapped by mortgage payments, car payments, etc., in jobs they do not love. There is a simple test: Would they continue to do the same work without pay? Only a few fortunate individuals have the freedom to learn who they are, and more important, who they might become, given the time for both spiritual reflection and inner growth, as well as genuine opportunities to prosper and contribute to the greater material good of mankind; not just in a narrow financial sense. Such truly free citizens would also help to insure an ongoing, enlightened, political discourse, not easily manipulated. Expanded ownership opportunities, such as those initiated by the late Louis Kelso (who initiated the goal of adjusting to automation by having half of one’s income derived from investments) and the Center for Economic and Social Justice, open doors to substantial second incomes. As a consequence the toil component of the work week can gradually diminish. See: www.cesj.org Perhaps, that might open the possibility of the most genuinely free society in human history. From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, August 10, 2010 3:46:49 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:what our post industrial society may look like I wrote: We will have to find a way to give everyone what they need and want with a new kind of economy. Not communism, socialism or capitalism. All three are ways of allocating human labor, and they would be equally unworkable in a world where human labor is useless. I did not mean to suggest that communism, socialism and capitalism are equally good, or equally effective, or that these are the only economic systems ever invented. They are the main three still surviving in the modern world. They are mostly in mixed configurations depending on market sector; i.e., Japan is mostly big-corporate capitalist but their healthcare sector is socialist. Someone in the New York Times wrote a letter in response to this column, about unemployment: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/opinion/10herbert.html The letter says what I had in mind. It is well written. QUOTE: . . . There was a time in the early years of this country
[Vo]:Open Source hot fusion announcement today - FYI
Edison's Idea Factory to Ignite 2 Industrial Revolutions? Privately-Funded Hot Fusion Program Aims At 2010 Energy Break-Even Posted on : 2010-03-30 Anticipating net energy in 2010 or 2011, Energy Made Cleanly CTO Matthew R. Wood plans to aggressively minimize commercialization delays by building 2,500 local college collaborative network of DPF-based aneutronic fusion energy labs funded by alumni, business, and community leaders to address several clean energy challenges. Economy, solar, and bio fuels also to benefit. (PRWEB) March 30, 2010 -- Anticipating net energy in 2010 or 2011,Energy Made Cleanly CTO Matthew R. Wood plans to aggressively minimize commercialization delays by building 2,500 local college collaborative network of DPF-based aneutronic fusion energy labs funded by alumni, business, and community leaders to address several clean energy challenges. Economy, solar, and bio fuels also to benefit. Building a huge open-source network makes the mammoth perceptual challenges such as lack of public awareness, funding, and regulatory politics much more manageable,” said Energy Made Cleanly president and CTO Matthew R. Wood, who plans to spread the key scientific and financial risks as thinly as $100 per business and community leader threatened by new EPA regulation, the Cap And Trade Bill, and the coming C.L.E.A.R. Act. Funding and control remains in each donor’s community. No federal research funds are jeopardized. Such a network’s numbers are intriguing. 2,500 campuses raising $1M per year results in $2.5G of private capital. At $100 per donor, this represents at least 25 million influential donors- possibly enough to isolate and challenge any lobbying group that believes it can’t benefit from virtually free energy. The science is equally intriguing. Of three currently practical fusion fuels, only the scientifically ambitious hydrogen-boron-11 (pB-11) eliminates the inefficient and expensive steam turbine generators whose high capital costs prevent atomic fission power plants from delivering on their promise of cheap electricity. Three groups are pursuing pB-11 fusion with the entirely different reactor configurations known as Colliding Beam Field Reversed (CBFR), PolyWell, and Dense Plasma Focus (DPF). All pB-11 reactors offer the ability to directly convert their fusion products into electricity using induction and the photovoltaic effect. No new science is required, although the photovoltaic to electricity converter is a significant tooling and engineering challenge which could produce high paying jobs for decades as increasing power densities are marketed and the new tooling is adapted to solar cell production. All hot-fusion reactors confine their electrically-conducting but extremely unstable plasma in magnetic bottles as they’re brought up to the required density and temperature for enough time to release more nuclear binding energy than it took to start the reactor. Fusion is far easier than profitable fusion. Only the DPF configuration avoids the capital expense of external electromagnets. It operates as a pulsed power supply which concentrates peak magnetic fields in excess of 12GG into a microscopic magnetic bubble only 8 to 10 microns across. 12 billion times the earth’s magnetic field is far stronger than external electromagnets can produce. The repeating pulsed operation makes it immune to runaway chain reactions and melt-downs. Nor can any aneutronic fusion reactor explode or create radioactive waste. Each cycle takes just over a millionth of a second. 360 cycles per second is expected to make 5MW of net power in production machines. Industrial heaters will be the first markets, profitable at something less than electrical break-even by reducing fuel bills, according to Wood. At or above electrical unity, these furnaces, ovens, and boilers operate entirely pollution-free. Lawrenceville Plasma Physics, Inc. is developing the Focus Fusion 1 aneutronic fusion reactor to achieve energy break-even in 2010. EMC’s plan is to clone this machine at least 2,500 times in the US to efficiently provide the NRC with extensive experience in permitting and supervising the design, construction, operation, and modifications on these research reactors to streamline the application for a DPF-based Aneutronic Fusion licensing category. Regulatory, teaching, and tooling careers could be among the first clean energy jobs created by a DPF network, which could be adapted to other branches of science needing search engine visibility as well. This new licensing category is presently believed to be the largest single hurdle to fully integrating DPF-based fusion power into society. It’s expected to require overwhelming public support in the form of making written AFIPS- Aneutronic Fusion Integration Plans- the key hot button issue that all other campaign issues revolve around in the 2010 and 2012 election cycles. Cheap, clean energy
RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released
Jones, I believe you meant Robert Carroll, not Robert Forward. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Subject: RE: [Vo]:New Energy Times News Flash: DoD Report Released To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 7:47 AM From: Horace Heffner If rapid, explosive energy output can occur in one or several modes, could LENR serve as a new high-energy-density explosive? It is ironic isn't it? CF dismissed by DOE and the patent office, and yet potentially important to DOD. However, I think the potential for concern is very real. Yup. Absolutely. Going back to Robert Forward we find the idea of “really cold fusion” … plus the realization that bosons could be involved in LENR in a higher temp range than with the Bose condensate (i.e. a “transient condensate” at ambient) … and the realization that the very high effective pressure inside a metal matrix is essentially the same effect as cryogenic confinement, in terms of limiting degrees of freedom – plus realizing that palladium-hydride is superconductive at low temperature … are any of these factors synergistic? … it very likely that near absolute zero the rate of reaction “could possibly” be poised to go into a rapid chain-reaction mode, if there is a stable BEC and extremely high loading. That is the scary part, especially if it were perfected by our enemies first and the first evidence we see of it is Tel Aviv being leveled, for instance. That scenario is likely one of many reasons why the Israelis have been deeply involved in the RD, and we probably only see the tip of that “iceberg”. From time to time, there have been divergent opinions expressed here on whether or not this military aspect is actually already well-known to a few in the Pentagon, from a black project perhaps (assuming it is real) – and then that secret knowledge is what has translated down the food chain into what we see as the incredible level of “official neglect” given to the whole field since 1989 …? IIRC - Jed has led the chorus for the argument that goes something like this: our military bureaucracy is really “not that smart” and there is no high-level conspiracy to quash LENR – just basic ignorance. The bureaucrats could not keep it secret, in any event. I hope that argument turns out to be correct, but I suspect something more sinister. They cannot keep many secrets, but there are a few that could be worth protecting at extraordinary cost. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Robert Park on Newman free energy
Long ago, when he first surfaced, I visited Newman and saw both his early huge motor and large collection of primary batteries. He told me the batteries had been supplied by Ray O Vac. So, I contact the engineer who supplied them. He told me that the coil generated so much RF energy that the layer which normally forms and causes primary cells to stop functioning after their normal lifetime, was apparently prevented from forming due to the RF field, consequently, Newman believed he was recharging the cells. However, he was not. When the chemical content was finally exhausted, they would, of course, stop functioning. This is not to say large coils may not have interesting features. --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Robert Park on Newman free energy To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:04 PM --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net Subject: [Vo]:Robert Park on Newman free energy To: Vortex-L vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:59 PM From: What's New 6 November 2009: MAGNETS: NEVER PAY ANOTHER ELECTRIC BILL. The first time I heard that promise it was made by Joseph W. Newman on the CBS Evening News with Dan Rather in 1987. A Mississippi backwoods-mechanic with a grade-school education, Newman took a course in electricity. When he heard that doubling the number of turns in a coil would double the magnetic field, he left to wind a mighty coil that would generate more energy than it took. Newman never got to Lenz’s law, and CBS did not bother to check with a scientist. About every five years since, that machine is reinvented. You can now build your own energy machine with a kit from Magnets4Energy, but it still won't work. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ This brings me back also to those days where in the late 80's I built my own Newman (Air Core) style copper magnetic motor as I preferred to call it. By electronics friend said; What are you doing, that isn't his idea at all, you must use batteries ect to see this overunity effect. I wasn't interested in that I just wanted to see the raw mechanics of large air core 20,000 wind coils. And during my experimentation I discovered things as an offshoot of his ideas. I discovered things easily thought impossible, such as continuous central magnetic rotor propulsion from four outer field coils that never reverse polarity, but two coils shut off for the reverse action. It may be true that Newman's business is hocus pocus, but just because he proposed it: this led to research by amateur garage scientists such as myself that for my case has led into exhausting investigations over the years on large induction coils such as those used by Newman for his field coils. During Newman's Heyday he announced that due to his long coil wire length on the field coils he could trap electron oscillation within the wire length itself by the commutation established by the magnetic rotor. To me at the time this seemed preposterous. The speed of light is quite high and to propose that the electrical impulse itself can be reversed before it completes its journey of wire travel by impulse speed, thus trapping an interior portion of the drift charge oscillation so that the electrons entering and exiting the endings of the coil are less quantity then the actual amount of electron oscillation of amp-turn input of field coil magnetic field to act on the field rotor, ect Circa 20 some years later... I have measured these so called standing waves on large 70 lb 23 gauge ~ 60 H large air core induction coils and found this to be ~ 3600 hz, 2/3 less then the C value. The Newman commutator was made to provide as many blinks as feasible during EACH duration of polarity needed to rotate the magnet. During each of these breaks the induction arc allows the high frequency oscillation to occur during the duration of the arcing itself. During this duration it does not seem unreasonable to assume that the magnetic field in the correct direction to propel the magnetic rotor will do so, but in contrast when the high frequency oscillation reverses polarity it obviously is in the incorrect direction to propel the magnetic rotor. But during this period the battery source is being recharged. That charge movement made on that half of the hf oscillation is reduced in amplitude because it is doing work against its emf source, but it is also using the rotation of the magnet rotor as a generator principle instead of a motor one to accomplish this... Of course the whole thing sounds like robbing Peter to pay Paul, doesn't it? Leaves one wondering if it can be possible. HDN
RE: [Vo]:A Future with Half of One's Income Derived from Investment
For another perspective on this discussion, see the article entitled: The Brooklyn Project on the website: http://www.aesopinstitute.org Mark --- On Fri, 10/9/09, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Our Jobless Startrek Future To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 10:16 AM Yes, the translation will be painful and the cost of living must plunge to the detriment of the elite who profit from the work of others. The city centric economy will fall away when power and services can be established in low cost stand alone configurations. We wont need a half million dollars set aside to retire. I think the working man and woman is sick of being the working poor, The goal posts keep moving to such an extent that we are working our lives away for a house and a car that we can't even call our own if we get sick and need extended medical care. Heed this call to take your treasures and run for that little cabin in the hills with your new Mr Fusion generator and well drilling equipment. Things won't get better if we don't leave the rat maze we are trapped inside. Fran -Original Message- From: William Beaty [mailto:bi...@eskimo.com] Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 12:51 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Our Jobless Startrek Future On Fri, 9 Oct 2009, John Berry wrote: If so few jobs are needed then people can do things they are passionate about and take a great amount of care in what they do. But imagine how the population will get there. It takes a 9-5 day job to support a family, or even just pay rent. No job, unemployment runs out, credit cards on overload, what's next? Live in a tent? No, move out of the cities! Go to communities where rent isn't $1000 per person. As with Ohio cities in the 70s, city centers may become ghost towns. (Either that , or somehow the rental/real-estate prices would have to collapse massively.) So, choose intense living over in tents living? (Sorry) (( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
RE: [Vo]:Super cold cold fusion
Jones, As you know, the late Dr. Robert Carroll applied for a patent on fusion close to Absolute Zero. We have a copy of the patent application. I'm home for the weekend, but if memory serves it was filed during the 1960s. I'll dig it out next week. Mark --- On Sat, 8/29/09, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Subject: RE: [Vo]:Commercial cold fusion proposal, should be immediately practical. To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 8:45 AM One detail - possibly relevant to this thread, which came up in another discussion, and which jogged my memory is the further implications for LENR which can be reinterpreted from the famous Alvarez experiment. In fact, it is clear that low temperature d-d fusion happened long before PF - and had already been observed in bubble chambers at near absolute zero, and up to room temp - and that two D atoms in a molecule (already at close range) fuse into an alpha particle with a 5.5 MeV gamma ray. The gamma is far lower in energy than a 'hot fusion' variety [is that related to energy being deposited in the catalyst?] Since there was a catalyst in this experiment (the muon), few have made the cross-over connection of the Alvarez work and what occurred in 1989. In PF fusion there could also been a catalytic reaction (as opposed to a participant reactant) and which catalyst is massive, relative to the electron, but having a negative near-field, so that it can act as a catalyst. In fact, PF were said to have been motivated by a rumored announcement from their Utah neighbor, relative to muon fusion. Irony of ironies. What if in another decade or two of knocking out heads against a wall - it turns out that they had actually witnessed a new kind of catalytic fusion, wherein the catalyst is so energy deficient (or oscillatory) that it would absorb most, but not all of the excess energy? Had PF seen the 5.5 MeV signature, or the higher one, then they would have known immediately what the reaction was, but with no apparent signature ... well... the rest is history, as they say. This D+D fusion result in the early sixties was essentially one of the Alvarez bubble chamber experiments which led to his Nobel Prize in 1968. The muon is a short lived catalyst so its spin is not relevant, in my understanding at least, and it would be hard to commercialize in any event. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon-catalyzed_fusion In LENR how much attention has been given to the possibility that the effect could also be catalytic but not a muon (in fact a known but 'hidden' catalyst) ? This catalyst is NOT likely to be the hydrino [maybe the hydride however], nor does it fit the hydrex scenario. It would be a hypothetical catalyst - perhaps not unlike but a longer lived Tau (tauon), and it might, or might not, be a lepton. It would need to have a negative near-field, one could surmise. Given that every permutation and combination of possibilities has already been mentioned in LENR, it would not be a surprise if this mystery-species was not already the key point of someone's neglected hypothesis. Matter of fact, in checking just now, I see that there is an 'orphan' page on Wiki, ready and waiting for this proto-theory to materialize: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tauon-catalyzed_fusion In any event, there is the distinction that it would be catalytic, and with a much longer life than normal. Perhaps the lifetime issue could be related to our cosmic new understanding of neutrino oscillation. We have learned this from solar astronomy, and it could is a relatively recent and MAJOR discovery (broader discovery) which may not have been totally fleshed out yet. Hey tauon-oscillation has a nice ring to it. The two D would fuse into an alpha particle, but not with a 5.5 MeV gamma ray seen in muonic fusion. That gamma is almost 80% lower in energy than the hot fusion variety, indicating that it carries away or rather disposes of over 18 MeV of mass energy. If you extent the trend, based on catalyst mass, then the more massive tauon would have ??? Well, you guess it - an even more massive 'catalyst' would essentially dispose, carry away (oscillate away) or nullify - more excess energy so that there is no gamma at all. Nice ! to the extent it rationalizes experiment with theory. (but probably misses many other problem areas) and may I add, is no less bizarre than magic phonons ;-) Jones All of this simply goes to prove we DO NOT HAVE A CLUE as to what is going on in LENR at the most fundamental level, and to assert that we do weakens the validity of the good experimental work... which is actually more believable without a theory at this stage.
Re: [Vo]:China vs US Neodymium Ultraconducting permanent magnets
One of the possible uses of Ultraconductors(tm) in wire form, which is likely in the next year or two, it to construct ambient temperature polymer permanent magnets. Unlike conventional superconductors, which have electron pairs with opposite spins, Ultraconductors have parallel spins, analogous to those in permanent magnets. They have been tested in magnetic fields up to 9 Tesla, with no decrease in conductivity. That was the limit of the equipment. It is anticipated they may be capable of withstanding fields of 25 Tesla or higher. Should this prove out, Ultraconductors may be an alternative to Neodymium. They are made from atactic polymers, which are often discarded as waste material, as unlike isotactic polymers they are amorphous materials, without tensile strength. Since 1-2 micron diameter (1/50th the diameter of a human hair) conducting channels can carry 50 amperes, these materials may become an exciting source of powerful magnets. The Ultraconductor development program is winding back up after a three year hiatus due to lack of funds. See www.chavaenergy.com and www.ultraconductors.com for more information. (The latter site may be down for a day or so while the domain is being transferred to Chava). Mark --- On Tue, 5/19/09, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: From: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Subject: [Vo]:China vs US To: Vortex-L vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 12:40 PM As much as I hate to agree with Grok's basic attitude toward capitalism, I would like to suggest that several decisions, based in the rules of capitalism, will eventually lead to the total destruction of this approach, at least in the form practiced by the US. The evidence can be most clearly seen in the fact that China has now captured 95% of the world's supply of the rare earth elements. This is important because modern technology is uniquely dependent on these elements. For example, super strong magnets cannot be made without neodymium. In 1985, farsighted people in the Chinese government saw the growing importance of these elements and set out to insure a good supply for their country. At the same time, the US companies allowed the supply available the US to slowly decrease to near zero, including selling the ability to process the materials to the Chinese, in order to make an immediate profit. As a result, we are now dependent on other countries for these essential elements just like we became dependent on other countries for oil. However, this time, no substitutes exist. The difference in approach between the US and the Chinese rests on farsighted people making long range decisions regardless of immediate profit, in the latter case. In contrast, the US makes decisions based on making a profit in a short time. As even a cursory experience with the media demonstrates, the US lives in a world of illusion created by the need of companies to make an immediate and growing profit. We were encouraged to go into debt to buy things. This advice had the easily predicted consequences. Now we are encouraged to believe that Obama can fix the mess if we would only spend more, with the government taking up the slack. This belief contains just as much illusion as the belief that personal debt would have no consequences. In other words, the US keeps looking only a few quarters into the future while the Chinese are planning for decades. We seek to win isolated battles at great cost in countries that have no importance to our survival while the Chinese intend to win the economic war of the future. I don't know if any of you play GO, the great Chinese game. If you do, you can see how this game is being played out on the world stage by China. Bush played poker and lost. Now Obama is playing Chess and is also losing. Meanwhile, we have to stand back and watch our country being brought down by short-sighted ignorance. Ed
Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview - super cold
Not Robert Forward, Robert Carroll... Mark --- On Fri, 4/17/09, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energetics Technology website features 60 Minutes preview To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Friday, April 17, 2009, 2:34 PM Guys - Ah, yes. The HK Hare Krishna hypothesis. Atoms loosing their identity. That's as good an explanation as any I've heard! ;-) BTW - wasn't Frank Z or maybe Horace the first to suggest something akin to boson-like coherence, or did Chubb come in ahead of them with the quasi-BEC slant? Its been tossed around for a long time... Way before that - Robert Forward suggested really cold fusion - at cryogenic temps. We might as well give credit where credit is due... since 60 Minutes is getting hold of it - someone might actually start to give a damn. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Energy Storage using Ultraconductors
Ultraconducting Magnetic Energy Storage (UMES) Once Ultraconductors™ can be made into wires, and assuming they sustain as expected, maintaining persistent currents, UMES are likely to perform at least as well as Superconducting Magnetic Energy Storage (SMES) only without the need for expensive and complex cryogenic cooling. Some years ago, Magnetic Power, Inc. cooperated with a scientist at the Los Alamos National Laboratory who invented a technique of fabricating SMES perhaps eight feet in diameter. These could be produced in a factory and easily transported to their ultimate location. Several could be stacked and linked together by utilities to provide whatever amount of energy storage was needed. This would allow base load power plants to run at constant speed all day and night with great economic and fuel saving advantages. UMES can be made small enough to use in vehicles. Tiny UMES could store energy for chips. Mark --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Energy News of the Weird: Denmark tilting at windmills To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 12:05 PM Horace Heffner wrote: The problem most likely is perhaps the utility has too large a base load supply, coal or nuclear, which is unresponsive to load changes. I did not read the article either, but I have read elsewhere that this is the problem. Gas turbines and hydroelectricity respond faster, so they are a better fit with wind turbines. The problem is that wind is intermittent. If sufficient power storage for solar and wind is added as more windmills are added then the base load will have to reduced even further, eventually eliminated altogether - but isn't that a good goal? I have read that with present-day distribution networks, wind can only supply about 20% of the power, because of the intermittency problem. The Danish Wind Industry Association said that iin Denmark on winter nights in some areas wind is already at 20%, and in some places it exceeds local demand. Pumped water storage for hydroelectricity is an efficient solution to this problem. The liquid battery sounds good too. A million European electric cars charging up at night with smart meters would be a great way to make use of excess electric power from wind turbines. The Danish Wind Industry Association is here: http://www.windpower.org/en/core.htm - Jed
Re: [Vo]:the Bell
This is one of the Nazi projects discussed in: The Hunt for Zero Point, by Nick
Cook.
--- On Sun, 12/21/08, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:the Bell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, December 21, 2008, 10:42 AM
This article:
http://www.mdebow.com/article-tr3b.htm
claims a military black project, the TR3, used a spinning mercury plasma.
Terry
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Taylor J. Smith tj...@centurytel.net
wrote:
Hi All, 12-21-08
Right now I'm reading The Rise of the Fourth Reich
by Jim Marrs; and I've run across something that may be
of interest starting on page 76: The Wenzeslaus Mine [was]
located about 215 miles west of Warsaw in Lower Silesia ...
[It was] used in connection with the strange experiments
described to his captors by SS officer Sporrenberg.
These experiments centered around ... the Bell ...
During operation ... two contra-rotating cylinders filled
with a mercury-like ... substance spun a vortex of energy
which emitted a strange phosphorescent blue light and made
such a buzzing sound that operators nicknamed it the ...
beehive ...
To try to understand the purpose of the Bell requires a
brief side trip into the world of ... Zero Point Energy.
Jack Smith
(As a side note,
see http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/timeline.html
``Clarence Dillon of Dillon Read, set up the German
Steel Trust with Thyssen partner, Fredrick Flick ...
[George Herbert] Walker, {Prescott] Bush and [Averell]
Harriman owned a third of Flick's holding company [Silesian
Holding Co.] and called their share Consolidated Silesian
Steel Corporation ...
Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation was located near
the Polish town of Oswiecim. When the plan to use Soviet
prisoners as forced labor fell through, the Nazis began
shipping Jews, communists, gypsies and other minority
populations to the camp the Nazis had set up. This was
the beginning of Auschwitz.'')
[Vo]:Larson article on LENR for Nuclear Waste Disposal.
Vo, You may all be familiar with this article: http://www.i-sis.org.uk/LENR_Nuclear_Waste_Disposal.php It just came to my attention this morning and I pass it on in case it was missed. Mark
Re: [Vo]:FE from Bangladesh?
Vo, Following our potential licensees visit to the inventor, we heard that he was visited by GE and Caterpillar and no longer is open to visits. Mark --- On Mon, 6/30/08, Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Vo]:FE from Bangladesh? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 10:35 AM On Jun 30, 2008, at 8:32 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: http://www.peoples-view.org/day_by_day/2008/04/20/ Chittagong_Highlights.php#link1 http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=2898 Sounds like the MEG or the TPU. Anyone seen anything else on this? Does Mark Goldes have any additional info? Terry If you look closely at the device near the clump of wires in the photo: http://www.peoples-view.org/day_by_day/2008/04/20/ Chittagong_Highlights.php#link1 you can see what appears to be a device similar to that shown on P.7 of: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/OddTransNotes.pdf I have to wonder if they built a device similar to the odd transformer shown there, but with the spacers and core rings exchanged, so as to produce good core-coil coupling. I thought about trying that, but never got around to it. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Report from Iron Mountain
Vo, Report from Iron Mountain was fiction - disguised as non-fiction. The author visited us once at SunWind Ltd., our previous firm, back about 1980 or so. It is amazing how many have believed it was real... Mark --- On Sun, 6/29/08, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Orion Conspiracy To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 1:25 PM Transmission from Terry B. What is it that you are not telling us SVJ? http://www.theorionconspiracy.com/ Terry COVER COMPROMISED REQUEST PICKUP AT RENDEZVOUS POINT: CHARLEY BAKER ALPHA. INITIATE DISINFORMATION PACKET 23B-A: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Report_From_Iron_Mountain Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Report from Iron Mountain - a satire by Leonard Lewin
The Report From Iron Mountain A Satirical Indictment of RANDthink by Leonard Lewin --- On Sun, 6/29/08, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Orion Conspiracy To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, June 29, 2008, 1:25 PM Transmission from Terry B. What is it that you are not telling us SVJ? http://www.theorionconspiracy.com/ Terry COVER COMPROMISED REQUEST PICKUP AT RENDEZVOUS POINT: CHARLEY BAKER ALPHA. INITIATE DISINFORMATION PACKET 23B-A: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Report_From_Iron_Mountain Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:MPI Staff
I was just in our WA lab with Graham today and assure you his status with MPI is unchanged. The Magnetics Conference apparently has a skeptic regarding magnetic energy amplification. Not surprising. Until independent lab validation of our work takes place, as I have said many times, skepticism is to be expected. We were surprised to be invited to present and not surprised to be uninvited. The presentation would probably have been premature. Our purpose was to suggest certain core materials might want to be produced in quantity that are presently hard to obtain. We can certainly contact the firms that can make those cores privately and that may prove to be the wiser course. Mark Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw this on overunity.com: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4167.0.html Re: Magnetic Power Inc - second Patent pending « Reply #13 on: April 18, 2008, 03:58:00 AM » Quote @Pennies I appreciate your attention to detail! I hadn't noticed that they took Graham out of the executive summary. He must have been removed this month. And the fact that Graham pulled out of the Magnetic Conference...it all points to him leaving the company. Here was the title of his presentation, which was on the Magnetic Conference site: The Magnetomechanical Effect: New Products and Materials in the Magnetics Industry for Pressure Sensors, transducers, and Energy Harvesting Graham Gunderson, Senior Development Engineer, Magnetic Power, Inc. Maybe Mark could comment here. Energy Harvesting. Interesting term. Anyone know where GG is? If he's looking for a job, I might know of one perfectly suited for him. Terry
