Re: [WISPA] interference from ships
Possible but don't quit believe so since 900MHz GSM uses 890-914Mhz for uplink (cell to base station), and 921-960Mhz for download (basestation to cell). That strong signal wouldn't come from cells and the basestation would just ruin the top part of the frequency. Maritime cell systems I seen don't offer 3G type services and GSM gprs/edge channel size is 200khz. 4G will have 4 to 20MHz dynamic channel size. Would really need to verify that the signal for sure is coming from the ship and not somewhere else. If that is the case maybe look at getting hold of someone from the ship to check with them what it might be. Dont forget to shut down your own AP while you run the SA at the AP location to avoid false readings and make sure it's not actually something newly installed at that location. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2010 1:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] interference from ships Plug the damn hole! - lol! Sorry, I couldnt help it :) Since it's a UK ship, I wonder if this has anything to do with it? http://www.eubusiness.com/topics/telecoms/mobile-ships.01/ On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 8:14 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've got a 700' drilling ship moored about a mile off our coast for a few days for repairs. http://www.stena-drilling.com/sub.asp?m=drillingp=stenaforth Since it came in, 900mhz within a couple miles of it has stopped working. We went out with the spectrum analyser after the Alvarion software spectrum analyzer went off the charts. The HP spectrum analyzer with a 9dbi yagi was picking up big fat gaussian shaped signals at -20 to -25dbm about 10-15mhz wide in the middle. I sent my guys to a second location with the spectrum analyzer just to make sure they weren't seeing local interfernce and they saw the same thing. A legal amount of power output would cause it to come in at about -50. Anyone else seen such strange stuff coming from this type of ship? I've never seen any trouble from any ship ever, though this is the first drilling ship to visit our area. -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ | Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Maine http://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..........
The metal cap adds a whooping 1.2dB really not worth bothering with IMO. Only reason they provide it is because people where used to the Andrew dish that basically requires it the Andrew dishs suffers greatly without the metal cap. For some time now the bigger Pac (Laird) grids all are shipping with a much more heavy duty L bracket then the old ones. I had a FCC certification lab test out one of the 24dB's about 2 years back and according to them the unit did measure in very close to 24dB. The linked feedhorn and grid is a Pac 5GHz grid so if used on 2.4GHz I'm amazed that you get the gain out of the solution consider the feed is NOT designed for 2.4GHz. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Oh I do not do ANY 2.4 ghz links other then APs for houses or small groups of houses (IE Picos now). (ok I have 3 users left on 2.4) The Pacs with the cheap metal clip on tip are CRAP. I can not express the horribleness of those enough. The ones like I linked, are great, and are on par with 2ft solid dish's (obviously not the same gain, but they do not bounce in the wind or act funny or lose the tip and really start going wonky) and the links stay with in 2db as the wind blows. The others drop 10db or more in mild wind. I have been replacing the feeds with the ones from that link and it makes all the difference. The mount from the old one is the standard Pac mount that they use on pretty much everything. This one, is the same but made of thicker metal. Both work well, and the units are better with the new feeds. Add a bullet and its a very nice link that works great. I have about a dozen of the old ones left that will be replaced with NanoBridges as I move everything over to AirMax. Yup wasted time/money on the cheap grid, now buying the better one. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:11 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Those are 5 gig. I decided NOT to go the cheap route on any 5 gig systems out here. I'm looking for 2.4 gig grids that are of good/great quality. I've been paying around $100 for a 24dB grid and it doesn't bother me a bit. Here's a tip for you guys that go dirt cheap on everything and then complain about the time you spend. My network is now bigger than the entire state of Connecticut. We have over 600 wireless subs and a couple of hundred other customers. I take care of it all with the equivalent of 2.5 people! Don't go too cheap. It'll cost you time and reputation in the end. marlon - Original Message - From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. http://shop.wirelessguys.com/s.nl/it.A/id.4188/.f?sc=13category=3529 Those have a very heavy mount and the expected gain. The ones with the cheap metal clip on can go right up the designers back side. Seriously poor design on those. I have replaced most of the feeds with the same feeds as the linked one. On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I've always hated the Pac grids. They are heavy and have flimsy mounts. And they seem to have 2 to 3 dB LESS rssi than others I've used. I've always spent the money to buy the Andrew (or whatever they are this week) units. Those aren't made anymore though. Anyone know of a comparable product? marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Then get a grid and slap it on. I have two parts for small or big links. I use the Pac grids. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Not as big an antenna though, CPQ-15's you should compare with PS2's if anything, they work about the same in the field on receive. Regards Michael Baird An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating, but
Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control.
All, instead of just bitching here why not go to Googles product ideas and submit a idea to remove the background or at least give an option to remove it. Or vote on some of the hundreds of ideas that suggested the very same. http://productideas.appspot.com/#e=127061 / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 9:25 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control. I do the same thing here as well. Add Google as the search and delete Bing from the list. Started out as a Just Because We Hate Microsoft but now that the Bing reviews are out, looks like the best choice anyhow. Bob- How's come Bing Crosby hasn't come back from the dead to sue Microsoft for use of his name? Hey, if Spike Lee can sue the Spike cable channel, Bing can sue Bing It's not just a search engine, it's a search engine trying to profit from the good name a reputation of an early to mid 20th century crooner. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google is out of control. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 09:07, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Probably talking about the built in one with FF. Exactly. Or, in Google Chrome, the address bar doubles as a search box - which is one less thing for customers to mess up. Heck, Internet Explorer 7 and 8 come with one built-in, and the first thing I always do when working on a customer's computer is switch it from Live/Bing to Google, unless they specifically ask otherwise. (I've been tempted to point those search boxes to our in-house Google referral link, so we get a percentage of any ad revenue, but that's kinda shady and probably against Google's TOS anyway.) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave tools for LMR 400...
They are nice sure, but consider how expensive the connectors are I go with regular connector. Even if that means I have to do two crimps and have to mess with the center pin. Not crimped a cable in the field for years thanks to PoE occasionally need a jumper and mostly just use premade jumpers and in the rare instances build a custom length. Don't even have connectors or coax spools in the install van any longer. But have a variety of different length of coax cables. The stripper tool is great. Crimper you can use just about any crimpers and the deburring tool I got one don't use it, don't need it for center pins you crimp. Or just use a $5 file. Tessco got all the brand parts. We got the crimp handles and dies if you want to save some. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Times Microwave tools for LMR 400... I am looking for the following: EZ-400-NMH-D Connector CCT-01 Tool (cutter) ST-400EZ tool (cable Prep tool) DBT-U (deburr tool) HX4 Tool (crimp tool) Separately or in a kit... Does anyone have a favorite Vendor? I saw one vendor selling a kit for LMR400/600 with all of the above parts. They wanted over $1000 for it! The 'EZ-Crimp connectors look like the way to go, but other advice is appreciated. ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Small ISP Wins US $2.6Million in Spam Case
--Small ISP Wins US $2.6 Million in Spam Case (May 6 7, 2010) A US District Court in California has awarded Asis Internet Services nearly US $2.6 million for spam messages sent over the Internet service provider's (ISP) network between November 2006 and May 2008. The ISP has approximately 1,500 customers; the spam caused Asis to lose business and incur costs associated with fixing the problem. The judge awarded Asis US $865,000, but tripled the damages because of aggravated circumstances. The defendants, the principals of a business called Find a Quote, were found to have violated 2003's CAN-SPAM Act. http://www.scmagazineus.com/california-isp-wins-26m-judgment-against-spammer s/article/169696/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/06/spam_judgment/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] atmail mail server or similar products
Unless your set on a Linux platform smartermail is a excellent platform, fairly affordable and very good functionalities and features as close to enterprise type software without being considered enterprise. If you're looking for Linux only solution then qmail-toaster is an excellent Opensource platform with excellent functions and capabilities, easy to install and maintain. Qmail-toaster is what we tend to install on our Linux virtual servers for our clients. / Eje Follow us on http://www.twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] atmail mail server or similar products Hi All, I am giving a look to some email server in-house applications. One is atmail (atmail.com) which is a rebranded-zimbra (or it looks to be similar). They have an ISP license, so I was thinking that maybe you can tell me your success/horror stories with in-house products. At the moment I am not thinking of hosted services, so the in-house looks the only solution. Suggestions are very welcome ;) -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Friday Funnies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtPvv4IS7HY Some people have too much time on their hands. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steven Barnes Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Friday Funnies Guys and Gals it's been a long week and I need a good laugh. Anyone got a Friday funny worth its weight? Steve WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids
We taken the other route. My son got his own domain, he got his own e-mail for his domain. Allowed him a Facebook account he have to have us as friends and we know the password. I get a copy (unknown by him) of any e-mails going to his e-mail account. We had the talk about proper online behavior such as never to share contact information such as address and phone number. He got his own netbook and itouch used to be limited what he could do by a software but it had so much flaws we disabled it (windows account is a limited account so can't install software). The router (mikrotik) logs the addresses he is visiting thanks to webproxy setup. On the itouch he do not have setup so he can install programs himself but he will ask and so far only been one app we wouldn't install (comic reader that could access as adult type comics and explained to him why wouldn't allow that one but found another software that would allow comic access but without adult content). So far so good. Daughter also got her own netbook but still using the software on it and it works best for her for now because it simplifies things on it for her. We tried the other way around with the older kids and it didn't work to great to be honest and was why the webproxy got setup in the first place and wish that XP been the OS back then so we could have given them limited access to windows but that was back in the days of 98. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 12:50 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: sp-...@sp-ceo.com Subject: [WISPA] how to protect your kids Hi All, Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having email addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having myspace, facebook etc. sites. If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can check on. If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that *I* can delete things from. I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet that might bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually forgetting the stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail email address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I finally found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what he'd been saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between when I got the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I didn't know that his zune, a video player would ALSO allow him to get on the net and work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of the deleted information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and that he had no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was being hidden from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email address. They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. However they flatly refused to provide me with any information! They had NO proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the child was over 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the account information! go get it from your teen is basically what I was told. WTF is this??? Absolutly amazing. So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your kids these days? thanks marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance
PCI compliance only applies to section of the network where YOU process and possibly store credit card information. If you have no over the net processing and don't store credit cards then it's easy. You fill out the form for terminal processing and just need to make sure the terminal itself is in a secured supervised location, acknowledge that credit cards are not saved or stored. If you save and store credit cards you need to certify that you are not store the whole magnetic strip info or security codes for the cards. If things are done on computer you have a more complex questioner to fill out. Are credit card info stored, if they are stored electronically the server needs to be protected by some form of firewall and only people with a need to know should be able to access the credit card details, part of the card number should be blanked out on display, no security codes are allowed to be stored. I assume your workstations and servers are on a separate segment on your network and should be protected with a firewall against any outside access (in the ISP case that also includes access from your customers and not only from the internet itself). If you have a wireless access point on that network segment it needs to be secured and only allow specific access from allowed devices and some form of encryption on any communication that reads/write credit card details. Database (or wherever your credit cards are stored) needs to be secured. If processing credit cards over the net you should have a end to end secure connection from your customers computer to the credit card gateway processor. So basically web page customer key in info needs to be secured by either ssl or some other method that sends the data in encrypted secured format. From your server to the processor the data also need to be secured (no processor I am aware of even accepts a unsecure submission of credit card details so this shouldn't be a problem on that basis). You also need to make sure that physical access to terminal and servers that process and store credit cards is secured. Also in the questioner it's asked if you have policies in place how to handle and treat credit cards, whom have access to them and what to do if any kind of breach would happen. The PCI compliance is pretty open and doesn't have for most part specific requirements when it comes to firewalls, how or what. If you store data and process data on a computer that computer needs to be protected both physically and virtually. Virtually can be a software firewall on the machine itself or it can be a hardware based firewall in front of the machine. Basically PCI compliance is all about common sense, ensure your servers are safe from any type of intrusion or theft, not to write down credit cards on scrap paper that is thrown in the trash, only allow access to credit card info to the people that have to have access to it. There are different levels and types of PCI compliance depends on how you process credit cards. Worst case scenario is if you have a regular credit card terminal or process credit cards across the network on a e-commerce type software (be it home written or professionally developed) and even worse if you store credit card details. Once you start filling out the questioner things will more than likely become a bit more clearer for you. If you store and process credit cards on computer than you need to as well have a company that is doing a PCI scan of your server to ensure hacker proof status. It will look for port vulnerabilities and web application security issues. https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/saq/index.shtml For most people a self assessment is enough (except for server scanning where an approved company needs to be used). If your company process a LOT of credit cards per year no external auditor needs to be hired (not even my company reaches the level where an external auditor is required but we have to file twice annually because of our volume while most WISPs I would dare to say would only be a level 4 which is the lowest level and would only need to file once a year). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 1:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] PCI Compliance Email from my brother: Just got a letter from our credit card processor and we need to become pci compliant. I noticed these routers I'm using from Qwest dont have a firewall. Do I go software,hardware or both? Here is the link for our routers. http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/motorola-3347/modemDetail_3347insta llation.html He handles IT for 27 BK's in Denver. Thoughts? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance
True on this but still since I assume it still uses your merchant account you still fall under the PCI regulations BUT the trusted merchant would provide all PCI compliance documentation for you in this case and only thing you have to worry about is whom is provided remote login access to this merchant and what information they have access to and ensure firewall and antivirus protection on the machines that are used to login to said merchants website (if you have access to anything credit card related there) to avoid keyloggers that might steal login information and then use this information to login and steal credit card details or create fraudulent charges or reversals. No matter how it's done if you business have a merchant account PCI compliance comes back to you to ensure end to end and any and all interactions where access to credit cards processing or credit card numbers can be done. Of course lot easier when nothing is on any of your own systems like in your case and if all you can access through the hosted service web pages is statements and reports even less you need to worry about but still might have to file (unless they file for you). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 3:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance All the better to have a completely hosted service with a trusted merchant. We have no CCRD information or even a card reader. We take no CCRD payments over the phone, by email, postal mail or store CCRD information for recurring invoices. All of our invoices are sent via email with an online payment URL to make CCRD payments or direct payments from their bank account or mailed in checks. Nonetheless, PCI worries are not on our watch. Frank Muto - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance PCI compliance only applies to section of the network where YOU process and possibly store credit card information. If you have no over the net processing and don't store credit cards then it's easy. You fill out the form for terminal processing and just need to make sure the terminal itself is in a secured supervised location, acknowledge that credit cards are not saved or stored. If you save and store credit cards you need to certify that you are not store the whole magnetic strip info or security codes for the cards. If things are done on computer you have a more complex questioner to fill out. Are credit card info stored, if they are stored electronically the server needs to be protected by some form of firewall and only people with a need to know should be able to access the credit card details, part of the card number should be blanked out on display, no security codes are allowed to be stored. I assume your workstations and servers are on a separate segment on your network and should be protected with a firewall against any outside access (in the ISP case that also includes access from your customers and not only from the internet itself). If you have a wireless access point on that network segment it needs to be secured and only allow specific access from allowed devices and some form of encryption on any communication that reads/write credit card details. Database (or wherever your credit cards are stored) needs to be secured. If processing credit cards over the net you should have a end to end secure connection from your customers computer to the credit card gateway processor. So basically web page customer key in info needs to be secured by either ssl or some other method that sends the data in encrypted secured format. From your server to the processor the data also need to be secured (no processor I am aware of even accepts a unsecure submission of credit card details so this shouldn't be a problem on that basis). You also need to make sure that physical access to terminal and servers that process and store credit cards is secured. Also in the questioner it's asked if you have policies in place how to handle and treat credit cards, whom have access to them and what to do if any kind of breach would happen. The PCI compliance is pretty open and doesn't have for most part specific requirements when it comes to firewalls, how or what. If you store data and process data on a computer that computer needs to be protected both physically and virtually. Virtually can be a software firewall on the machine itself or it can be a hardware based firewall in front of the machine. Basically PCI compliance is all about common sense, ensure your servers are safe from any type of intrusion or theft, not to write down credit cards on scrap paper that is thrown in the trash, only allow access to credit card info to the people that have to have access
Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance
Any firewall configuration that locks down all unnecessary ports and service especially those that is a major threat and any ports that are open has to have secure software with no remote exploits known. Web applications are extensively tested to ensure that no sql injection, cross site scripting and other remote exploits can be done as well prohibits/limit data enclosure of any type. Say if you are running with a sql database any error messages should NEVER disclose anything database releated not even so much as possibly hinting what type of database or sql query that might been executed. Things that does not prohibit PCI compliance but are flagged as possible PCI compliance issues are silly things like robots.txt files (could provide information disclosure on where administration pages etc are located). If a web page that looks like it handles logins can be access without SSL cert it will be flagged and could possible give you a PCI compliance failure. Most of the things to become PCI compliant involves securing servers, access to servers and whom can access the data on the servers. Ensure servers and web apps are patched and secure, that minimal data information can be retrieved from server or web application. That you have written policies stating whom is allowed to do what, not using manufacture default passwords, each user has their own username/password and finally written policy what to do in case of a breach. Most of this is all obvious security measures anyone should do but you have to answer a ton of questions and sign that you answered them truthfully and an external audit of the servers been done and passed. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 9:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] PCI Compliance That would satisfy the firewall. Though I have to wonder what firewall config satsifies for compliance. On 4/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Correct, no storage. I'm thinking an RB750? On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: No experience just thoughts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_Card_Industry_Data_Security_Standard Would make sense to use a MT, put a nice firewall template (hence the first requirement) and then the other generic things everyone should do. I would have to guess BK doesn't store card information. Processing security relies on the card processor, would it not? On 4/2/10, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Email from my brother: Just got a letter from our credit card processor and we need to become pci compliant. I noticed these routers I'm using from Qwest dont have a firewall. Do I go software,hardware or both? Here is the link for our routers. http://www.qwest.com/internethelp/modems/motorola-3347/modemDetail_3347insta llation.html He handles IT for 27 BK's in Denver. Thoughts? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone gotten a 3.65 license lately?
Been a while since I applied for ours but then it took almost 2 months before I got the paper license, never so a e-mail notice about the approval but I had by chance seen the issuance of the license about 3 weeks after I applied when I logged into the FCC website and saw it been approved about a week before. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 11:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone gotten a 3.65 license lately? They took the payment immediately! Not so sure about the license... Marco On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 9:53 AM, ralphlists ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote: How long is the FCC taking these days for a new license? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet transmit errors
More than likely this is a connector or cabling issue. Since your running up a tower I assume the cable run is of considerable length. When you start running 150-200 ft of cabling a single crimp that is not the best can result in TX drops it could be that only one of the two (usually only 2) teeth on connector don't have connection with the cable. But it could also be that your taking RF interference on the cat5 cable itself. If you are not using shielded cable and there is a lot of other strong RF source on the tower this could be a problem as well. Shield Cat5 and proper grounding on the shield as well ferrit beads on the cat5 cable in and out of the injector can make a world of difference. Also noticed that on some switches a slightly bad cable can cause a lot of trouble or just little trouble. Once case we ran across ourselves where we had problem getting a trouble free connection on a 220ft run with one switch and some of the equipment up to (had a RB532 there which didn't have problem per say but did experience TX and RX errors). Ran a new cable still problems with one of the units. The old switch had gotten Ethernet ports blown by a hit on the tower that killed almost every electronic on the tower not just for me but for the two others that had equipment on it, the new switch didn't work well changed to another switch of similar kind still problems, finally changed to a RB450G and is now actually running problem free. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 9:44 AM To: WISPA General List; Mikrotik discussions Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet transmit errors I have a tower running 3x120 sectors, MT AP's RB532's. Ethernet down tower to a switch. I noticed that on one of the RB532's I have 861 TX errors and 861 TX drops in 5 days of uptime. I replaced this AP 5 days ago and the previous board showed the same errors. I have moved the Ethernet cable to a different port on the switch. Is it possible I have a bad Ethernet cable? Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.
Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do not say for sure. TIA, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.
Ahh no Powerbridges yet. Got no ETA really yet on those even. Not even gotten a Datasheet for it and don't look like Ubiquiti even released the datasheet for it eiter. The new stuff the announced earlier this week supposed to be available in China towards the end of this month so don't expect any of these new products to be available in anything but extremely low quantities until earliest end of April. / Eje Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Eje, Got an ETA on Powerbridges? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 12:13 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do not say for sure. TIA, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP.
Not sure if I should take offense to this or not. I assume you are aware what conjecture is and that the statement about unproven proposition is not directly related to my e-mail? Because if it is then you need to withdraw this statement. As you might be aware WISP-Router whom I represent is one of Ubiquiti's US distributors (one out of 4). When I say something about Ubiquiti I tend to know what I'm talking about because I had word from the horses mouth. Find anything that I said in my message that is unproven based on anything that been posted on the Ubiquiti forum. You will not be able to find anything. Same info I just gave is on the forum from either Ben or Mike. Also I had a very long working relationship with Ubiquiti (we started out selling their SR2 and SR5 cards when that was their only product and was recipients of cards from the first mass production run). Ubiquiti say product supposed to be available by end of month that means most of the time product is available for pickup in China at the beginning of the following month then you have 1-2 weeks before you have product if they are shipped airfreight, economically not feasible for most of their products. PowerBridgeM5 will probably weight wise be around same weight as a PowerStation so airfreight cost would be about $10-$12 per unit at least. So products will be sea freight which means 4-6 weeks after they are ready from MFG until they are in Distributors hands. First mass production run have always been very limited qty. Order 1k unit and get maybe 200 to 500. Order 2k and you might get 500. Now on the other hand if you just threw out a big word without truly understand it's meaning well so be it. / Eje Gustafsson WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. If you really want to know first hand information on Ubiquiti you should join a forum at ubnt.com, most things on here are conjecture. On 3/4/2010 1:03 PM, Eje Gustafsson wrote: Ahh no Powerbridges yet. Got no ETA really yet on those even. Not even gotten a Datasheet for it and don't look like Ubiquiti even released the datasheet for it eiter. The new stuff the announced earlier this week supposed to be available in China towards the end of this month so don't expect any of these new products to be available in anything but extremely low quantities until earliest end of April. / Eje Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Eje, Got an ETA on Powerbridges? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 12:13 PM To: sarn...@info-ed.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Either or. Any of the Ubiquiti products can be used as a CPE or a AP don't matter no price difference or different specific hardware to function as a CPE (what canopy call SM) or a AP. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:34 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquity Pico2HP. Can the Ubiquity Pico2HP be used as a SM or is it only an AP? The doc's do not say for sure. TIA, Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish
Got about 400 of the 30dB in just today (haven't yet been received into inventory because we are still checking over to ensure we got everything we were supposed to - three 40ft containers full of Ubnt gear). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 3:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish The 30db RocketDish5 has been out for a few months, it's in stock most everywhere. Regards Michael Baird How do you have the M5 dish it's not out till later this month? Unless you mean the big parabolic, I'm talking about the nanostation dishes due out mid-month. We've deployed the air grids and other than a irritating design flaw in the assembly their great! On 3/3/2010 8:48 AM, Andy Trimmell wrote: Ya we just put up a M5 yesterday and lovin' it. Just wanted a chance to use 2.4 in some areas where 5ghz was overused. I got some screenshots of 80Mbps at 9 miles using the Ubnt M5 dish, if anyone is interested. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 11:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rocket M2 Dish Andy, They aren't available yet, they haven't even released specs on this that I'm aware of, just the 5 ghz versions. Regards Michael Baird Does anyone know of a distributor for Rocket M2 Dish? The part number is in the manual but I've yet to find anyone that has any. Any information would help. Andy Trimmell - Network Administrator Precision Data Solutions, LLC atrimm...@precisionds.com 317.831.3000 http://www.pdswireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DS-CHINA.ORG
Those asian registration things are scams nothing else. Over the last 3-4 years I probably received well over a 100 such messages. Majority of those in regards to WISP-Router but also on some other domains that I'm listed as contact for. I have yet to see a single one of these claims of registration come through. For a long time now I just binned those e-mails the first one of course I responded to but also started investigate and came to the conclusion it was just a sales scam trying to get me to pay for the domains and registrations in question (my guess if I had nothing would gotten registered). So far so good no wisp-router.ca registered or any other of the domains that someone supposedly trying to register. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DS-CHINA.ORG I replied about three months ago to this and stated that we held the trademark for our company name. I sent the same email to Qwest who put Washington Broadband in their listings as a name, never heard from the China group or Qwest again, go figure. Forbes On 2/24/2010 8:35 AM, Jack Unger wrote: A musician friend of mine had the same thing happen regarding his domain about 4 months ago. An email from China said that someone wanted to register his domain .cn. I looked into it and then advised him not to reply. At that time it looked like some kind of a registration scam from the email sender themselves. I'd like to hear what others think. jack David Hulsebus wrote: I got an e-mail from them asking about our domain registration, and someone in China wanting to register the portative.com.cn, .net.cn, etc.. domains. They said they will not approve if I reply and didn't authorize it. Question. This is the first time I've heard of this, is it legit? Thanks, Dave Hulsebus WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Quick Survey for WSIPS
I have not answered. #4 neither option applies. Didn't file because didn't have the time to get the data required and been slacking on it since. Intention been there to do it but time been short. Many times my filing been late in the past and then I just had to do a export of my customer data and tally up the ZIP codes. Consider my subscriber base not a major changer but I should file just as soon as I start there always seems something more urgent pooping up delaying it yet again. My personal opinion is that if they are to get data of this kind they need to provide some form of tool/website to get the data. Many of my addresses does not resolve correctly because they are rural routes and I have to manually try to map their location to get the right area. But we are talking about the government that don't believe in making anything easy and put the cost entirely on the citizens or businesses so I'm not surprised. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Quick Survey for WSIPS Yesterday I created a quick 4 question survey about government form 477 that all WISPs are supposed to file with subscriber counts. 50 people have filled it out so far. If you haven't yet, it takes 60 seconds or less. please go to http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3RZTC9F The questions are -Is your customer base increasing/decreasing -how many subs do you have -did you file form 477 -would you like help if you didn't quick results so far are Customer base = 46 increasing, 4 decreasing total customers =65,074 from 49 WISPs = 1,328 subs per WISP File form 477 = 21 yes, 10 late, 18 no want help filing = 13 yes, 3 no Will do more in-depth look tonight A Quick note. of the 4 with decreasing customer bases. 3 of them have under 500 subs. If it doesn't already exist, I think it would be a great idea to have a (guide) for 0 - 500 subs. Things like Bandwidth - general prices, pros/cons. T1, Cable, DSL, etc Marketing ideas, assistance, etc what people use to run the business. Forms, procedures. I am not on the board for WISPA, but I think this would be a good value to be provided to members. Of course, some of the recommendations will change for larger WISPs. - Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
And do you believe the same goes for Open source applications? There are more open source being distributed this way then where large for profit companies use it for distribution. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents I think you said it best here: Some of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and distribute of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will have tens of thousands people that will download said update within hours. Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and download a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds. So as an ISP we should get clobbered with connections and network issues on our wireless network to take care of the budgets of all these legal places? Most of these make 10X the profit I do in a year, let them figure out a better way. Afterall, the customer is wanting their content. I limit the crap out of torrents. It is a poorly implemented application for most networks...for wireless networks for sure. I don't care if the government wants to distribute welfare checks across torrents on my network. It will work, although slowly. If the government want's to tell me how I can control my network and makes it law, I will do something else. I am not trading the big corp software support problem for my own at 10X the less profit. Hell, I was squirrel hunting when I started my ISP and I still got a pocket full of shells. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
Have you ever played wow and see how their updates are released and distributed? (I'm not a wow player but I had to deal with it). Basically you start the game, login to your character and you get a notice update is available and you say ok and it starts downloading and update starts once it is done. ISO distro downloads. Instead of hunting for a mirror site that have fast speeds and testing out multiple of them before finding on that give you good speed. All I do is select one torrent file and start a torrent download. ISO downloaded in no time. Faster easier and less issues. Especially when you deal with a big distro version that is DVD format and newly released. Other adoptions BitTorrent Inc has a number of licenses from Hollywood for distributing popular content with their torrent system Sub Pop Records reelases tracks and videos to distribute its 1000+ albums. The band Ween as an example uses the website Browntracker.net to distribute hundreds of video recordings of live shows. Babyshambles, The Libertines has extensively used torrents to distribute hundreds of demos and live videos. Nine Inch Nails frequently distribute albums via BitTorrent Many new PodCasting software start to integrate BitTorrent to help broadcasters deal with download demands of their MP3 radio programs. For example Juice and Miro support automatic processing of .torrent files from RSS feeds. The same thing with uTurrent. Then you have Mininova tracker which is a Content Distributor only platform to allow copyright holders especially smaller groups to distribute their music, videos etc. In addition DGM Live! Purchass are provided via BitTorrent CBC was the first public broadcaster in NA to make a full show available for download using BitTorrent NRK (Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation) has since March 08 experimented with bittorrent distribution for selected material which NRK owns all royalties (they use Miro) (http://nrkbeta.no/bittorrent/) VPRO (Dutch broadcaster) released some documentaries under the Creative Commons license using Mininova. Amazon S3 (Simple Storage Service) is equipped with a built-in BitTorrent support Bog Torrent has a bittorent track to enable bloggers to host a tracker on their site to allow visitors to download a stub loader so they can access picture, blog, music, videos posted by the blogger. As mentioned Blizzard Entertainment (especially Wow) uses built in BitTorrent in their software for updates, patches, maps etc downloads. Some of these downloads are extremely large and difficult to host and distribute of a traditional server because once a large update is released you will have tens of thousands people that will download said update within hours. Support nightmare to try to get everyone go to a mirror webpage and download a separate installer with no automatic and slow download speeds. Many open source and free software projects encourage BitTorrent basically to increase availability and to reduce load on their own servers mostly when a new software release just been released. When you have hundreds or thousands people that want to download latest dist. Personally I don't mind to help seed a Fedora torrent because it helps me out when a new version is available as well. So enough legal usages and samples for you now to still think it's ok to totally block or throttle BitTorrent to nothingness? Your customers pay you to get access to data what they access is after all really not your responsibility. Yours is to provide them with access and ensure that they have good access and get what they pay for which means control and maintain network stability and speed by managing your traffic to a level that is good for everyone. The more people that blatantly block things and especially when there is no other highspeed options will cause the FCC/government to step in and enforce how things need to be ran and what you are allowed or especially not allowed to do. But of course if your clean about it and very upfront about it then it might be a different matter. But if your hide it in a AUP or TOS in the fine print especially if you don't make the user sign it but states usage of internet means acceptance of the terms you are in deep waters. I personally allow any fileshare application on my network. I do throttle it and only allow a max of 60% of my available bandwidth for fileshare apps shared over all my customers and on top of it any interactive data transfers is prioritized (dns, mail, http, messengers to mention a few) above fileshare. The advantage to this is that my customer can still download things over fileshare and it will not kill their other usage nor my available bandwidth either. Works nice for them and for me and everyone is happy. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
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So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say. So no need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are insignificant because nobody uses Torrents. It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire you name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the link torrent file download and download client is launched. You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do it the hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I downloaded been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter how new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source community by seeding the distro. I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and well honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror. And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters themselves. You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I gave it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then are we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or connection limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use. Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and with every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will continue to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option IMHO. Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then downloaded the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't going to be happy. Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data storage service and your blocking it and it takes this person/company hours to figure out that you're the blame I'm sure this business is not going to be happy. Nine Inch Nails have their official torrent provided through The Pirate Bay. So anyone using LimeWire as you say will access the official way of downloading the 2 last NIN albums (first one was a 4 cd album). And if you have installed Limewire/Kazza or whatever the gamer/mp3r is ready to download torrents with a single click of a webpage just as easy as you download a normal file through a http page but the advantage most of the times faster downloads. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents I never said it was good to block it. I think blocking it is bad. Not sure where you got that impression. My stance is if you can support it, charge them for it. If it costs you too much and you lose money on it, drop it with speed limiting, blocking or the customer entirely. Once again... I have played Wow. I played it last week for the free trial. Instead of waiting all night for the torrent I went to one of the mirrors I posted and got the patch in minutes instead of hours. Blizzard's other games - Starcraft, Warcraft 2 and 3, Diablo 1 and 2 - are all HTTP only. The only Blizzard files obtained via torrent are the Wow patches and hi def trailers/movies - http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_UStag=patches Every *nix distro I've obtained (Ubuntu, Fedora, Centos, DSL, Knoppix, Gentoo, maybe more) I've done HTTP. Who cares if Nine Inch Nails distributes their music via torrent? No one uses it anyways - they all use Napster/Kazaa/Limewire. So why choose torrent over HTTP? I just don't see Grandma Bonnie Emailer or Little Timmy MP3er or Greasy Gary Gamer (except that one half Wow example) using torrents. I just don't see the average user installing utorrent to get their blog videos, mp3s or latest content, it's easier to click one link in the browser, save it and use it. I also want to mention that 300GB/mo transfer at home is not high at all. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Have you ever played wow and see how their updates are released and distributed? (I'm not a wow player but I had to deal with it). Basically you start the game, login to your character and you get a notice update is available and you say ok and it starts downloading and update starts once it is done. ISO distro downloads. Instead of hunting for a mirror site that have fast speeds and testing out multiple of them before finding on that give you good speed. All I do
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Not sure about that. Depending on whoms statistics you believe it can be anywhere from about 5% to about 30%. Do we count the people used it in the last x days. How many computers that have the software installed on them. According to stats 2008 17% of US computers had Limewire installed on them. uTorrent only 2.1%. But just because application is installed don't mean it's used or frequently used. Over 35% of internet traffic is fileshare application vs only 32% that is web traffic. If we believe RIAA then the base and usage is way higher. I wouldn't put much behind that 8% figure without knowing how they came to that conclusion. So fileshare usage in US is somewhere between 5% and 25% of all computers/household more bandwidth is being used by fileshare traffic then regular web traffic. Good QoS, traffic shaping and prioritizing means issue becoming less of an issue or even a non issue same goes even without file sharing. Just because it's a problem for the ISP we cannot just block it and pretend it don't exists. It would be like a city claiming that we do not have a traffic congestion system people just need to not drive as much or share a ride. We don't need more traffic lanes or better traffic control. Provide enough bandwidth on the AP, backhaul and upstream feed. Shape the traffic for maximum user experience and everyone is happy. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents 8% of Swedes do peer to peer. I would expect the American population to have a smaller figure. Regardless, can we not agree it's a small figure? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote: May not be mainstream, but is a decent percentage. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7978853.stm On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I didn't say it wasn't an issue. I said there are solutions to the problem. I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many of them do not offer regular downloads? If you were to be one of these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why? I am stating torrent isn't mainstream. I am stating you can't treat torrents like HTTP. You are trying to make it sound as if the majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web which, arguably so, is simply not the case. Not in the world I live in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this list. On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say. So no need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are insignificant because nobody uses Torrents. It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire you name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the link torrent file download and download client is launched. You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do it the hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I downloaded been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter how new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source community by seeding the distro. I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and well honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror. And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters themselves. You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I gave it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then are we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or connection limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use. Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and with every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will continue to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option IMHO. Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then downloaded the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't going to be happy. Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data storage service
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Appropriate bandwidth bandwidth shaping with QoS and prioritization and more than likely you don't to tell anyone (well still very possible) but at least you will not get complains from other users on the network that it's slow. The good thing with fileshare it's not a interactive system that require a certain minimum bandwidth such as streaming audio or video. File share bandwidth usage is easy to handle. Streaming audio/video can only be fixed by providing the user with more dedicated bandwidth so less overselling. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents Fortunately, its not common on my network ether. Just one or two a month have to be told. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I didn't say it wasn't an issue. I said there are solutions to the problem. I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many of them do not offer regular downloads? If you were to be one of these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why? I am stating torrent isn't mainstream. I am stating you can't treat torrents like HTTP. You are trying to make it sound as if the majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web which, arguably so, is simply not the case. Not in the world I live in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this list. On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say. So no need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are insignificant because nobody uses Torrents. It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire you name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the link torrent file download and download client is launched. You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do it the hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I downloaded been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter how new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source community by seeding the distro. I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and well honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror. And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters themselves. You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I gave it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then are we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or connection limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use. Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and with every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will continue to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option IMHO. Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then downloaded the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't going to be happy. Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data storage service and your blocking it and it takes this person/company hours to figure out that you're the blame I'm sure this business is not going to be happy. Nine Inch Nails have their official torrent provided through The Pirate Bay. So anyone using LimeWire as you say will access the official way of downloading the 2 last NIN albums (first one was a 4 cd album). And if you have installed Limewire/Kazza or whatever the gamer/mp3r is ready to download torrents with a single click of a webpage just as easy as you download a normal file through a http page but the advantage most of the times faster downloads. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents I never said it was good to block it. I think blocking it is bad. Not sure where you got that impression. My stance is if you can support it, charge them for it. If it costs you too much and you lose money on it, drop it with speed limiting, blocking or the customer entirely. Once again... I have played Wow. I played it last week for the free trial. Instead of waiting all night for the torrent I went to one of the mirrors I posted and got the patch in minutes instead of hours
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Absolutely. Why we ourselves don't sell our service as a unlimited service. Nowhere do we ever say unlimited in our marketing material or other material, and in the contract the people sign for service it clearly states over usage is not permitted, server setup is not permitted and include file sharing out to the internet. There is even on the last page a table where all important information such as bandwidth allotment, # of e-mail accounts, monthly cap limits as well charge per GB over usage is denoted by hand depending on service level purchased. We say we will charge you $5/GB over your monthly 10GB limit. But we have never charged this at this point. We have people going way over 10GB but they have not created any issues on our network. No don't believe in unlimited internet and will not be like the mobile broadband providers calling their service unlimited but in small print you can read it's not unlimited and that they can charge or cancel your service for over usage. But reason they call it unlimited is because they have their limited plans that offer say 500MB or 5GB then their unlimited (which really isn't unlimited) I am still amazed that FTC have not slapped them on their hands for this IMO false advertisement. But I guess it comes down to it affects so very few people that for most people it really seems unlimited. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents Eje, I always respect your opinons but let me play devils advocate. I agree file-sharing is being forced down ISP's throats, so we have to deal with it. Many compare ISPs to utilities. I come from a background working for and with electric companies. If you overload their network you will be cut off and fined. -RickG On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Not sure about that. Depending on whoms statistics you believe it can be anywhere from about 5% to about 30%. Do we count the people used it in the last x days. How many computers that have the software installed on them. According to stats 2008 17% of US computers had Limewire installed on them. uTorrent only 2.1%. But just because application is installed don't mean it's used or frequently used. Over 35% of internet traffic is fileshare application vs only 32% that is web traffic. If we believe RIAA then the base and usage is way higher. I wouldn't put much behind that 8% figure without knowing how they came to that conclusion. So fileshare usage in US is somewhere between 5% and 25% of all computers/household more bandwidth is being used by fileshare traffic then regular web traffic. Good QoS, traffic shaping and prioritizing means issue becoming less of an issue or even a non issue same goes even without file sharing. Just because it's a problem for the ISP we cannot just block it and pretend it don't exists. It would be like a city claiming that we do not have a traffic congestion system people just need to not drive as much or share a ride. We don't need more traffic lanes or better traffic control. Provide enough bandwidth on the AP, backhaul and upstream feed. Shape the traffic for maximum user experience and everyone is happy. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 6:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents 8% of Swedes do peer to peer. I would expect the American population to have a smaller figure. Regardless, can we not agree it's a small figure? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.comwrote: May not be mainstream, but is a decent percentage. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7978853.stm On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I didn't say it wasn't an issue. I said there are solutions to the problem. I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many of them do not offer regular downloads? If you were to be one of these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why? I am stating torrent isn't mainstream. I am stating you can't treat torrents like HTTP. You are trying to make it sound as if the majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web which, arguably so, is simply not the case. Not in the world I live in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this list. On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't
Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents
Yes you can if you want to. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents I have a MT firewall. Can you run Butch's QOS on MT APs CPE? On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Not sure of the capabilities of StarOS but Ubnt and Tranzeo can't help you limit connections. You may need to invest in some Routerboards or something more expensive. You said you had Butch's QOS application - do you already have some Mikrotik stuff in place? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I agree but you cant fix a large network overnight. Especially in this weather! Thanks for your input! On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Appropriate bandwidth bandwidth shaping with QoS and prioritization and more than likely you don't to tell anyone (well still very possible) but at least you will not get complains from other users on the network that it's slow. The good thing with fileshare it's not a interactive system that require a certain minimum bandwidth such as streaming audio or video. File share bandwidth usage is easy to handle. Streaming audio/video can only be fixed by providing the user with more dedicated bandwidth so less overselling. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Mikrotik] bittorrents Fortunately, its not common on my network ether. Just one or two a month have to be told. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I didn't say it wasn't an issue. I said there are solutions to the problem. I am stating that while broadcasters and such use torrents, how many of them do not offer regular downloads? If you were to be one of these broadcasters and had to choose one medium, which one and why? I am stating torrent isn't mainstream. I am stating you can't treat torrents like HTTP. You are trying to make it sound as if the majority of users use torrents to the same extent someone uses the web which, arguably so, is simply not the case. Not in the world I live in, not my customers and probably not even the subscribers on this list. On 2/14/10, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: So in otherwords Torrent shouldn't be an issue then from what you say. So no need to block or throttle it. Also sites like The Pirate Bay are insignificant because nobody uses Torrents. It's easy. Installed a Torrent client (utorrent, bittorent, limewire you name it) and when you run across a torrent offered download click the link torrent file download and download client is launched. You might not see the use of it or like Nine Inch Nails, prefer to do it the hard way with WoW and prefer http downloads. All ISO *nix dists I downloaded been over torrent because I grew frustrated trying to find the one fast mirror with Torrent I frequently hit 800KBps downloads speeds no matter how new the release is. Plus on top of it I can help out the open source community by seeding the distro. I do NOT want to be a mirror because of the bandwidth utilizations and well honestly I do not have decent enough speed to be a useful mirror. And you forgot all other examples I provided that are legal Torrents providing broadcaster shows and podcasts some by broadcasters themselves. You wanted more examples besides wow, *nix distros and MikroTik and I gave it to you. You just said to you torrent was useless and to hard and you prefer web downloads and say that nobody else would use it so why then are we having the discussion about bittorrents and block, throttle or connection limit obviously it's not a uncommon occurrence/use. Legal or not downloads. Like it or not BitTorrent is here to stay and with every day there will be more legal use for it and illegal use will continue to be used. Blocking it or throttle it to unusable is not an option IMHO. Just like Napster it used to be for illegal downloads now it's not. If someone paid for a subscription on the Napster website and then downloaded the software client and find out his ISP is blocking it this guy ain't going to be happy. Say someone buys the Amazon S3 service to have a offsite synced data storage service and your blocking it and it takes this person/company hours to figure out that you're
Re: [WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It!
Tooo funny.. Sent it to Ben at Ubnt after all he is one mentioned by name in there.. lol -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] FW: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It! Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:50 PM To: motor...@afmug.com Subject: [Motorola II] OT: Pre-Friday Humor! Dont Miss It! I hope you enjoy Some Pre Friday Humor (kinda PG-13) Hitler on Canopy OFDM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwLEwfitGkM Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package
Just what I was going to suggest. Good tool especially for people not very Linux skilled and even for those that are. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Long Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:12 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package Webmin should do it.. Aerowire Alan Long Director of Network Operations alan.l...@aerowire.net 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 tel: 3342759998 mobile: 336092 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Web Based DNS package We have two Ubuntu servers running Bind9 I am looking for a web based control panel to manage both at the same time setup dns management for other domains. Kind of like reselling web hosting Any recommendations that people are willing to share - Scott Piehn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2675 - Release Date: 02/08/10 01:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
Yeah I got a kick out of that article and to see the discussion re FCC and net-neutrality and FCC probes in anticompetive behavior and application prohibitations for the Iphone et all. Then to find out that this rebellion was planned but FCC worked to stopped it. Stay safe. Don't get out of bed. It's dangerous to drive, dangerous to walk on the streets, dangerous to operate your electronics and irresponsible to talk on the cellphone someone that might need to make an important phone call to might not be able to.. So just stay in bed, don't touch that cellphone, landline phone OR your laptop... Ohh there might be dangerous lights emitting from your TV so do not turn it on either. Now where did I put my foil hat. Darn weather radars and satellite signals are getting to me today Might need more foil / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 8:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality I love it that they had the FCC step in to stop the consumer protest and declare... to purposely try to disrupt or negatively impact a network with ill-intent is irresponsible and presents a significant public safety concern. Such BS. Isn't any large protest a potential safety concern? I'm now off to cover myself in bubble wrap. One can't be too safe, ya know. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 1:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality LOL makes me recall article I read earlier tonight. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/at-t-s-iphone-deal-swamps-networ k-sparking-consumer-rebellion.html / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality And me and my pack of highly trained Wispa Ninja warriors will be waiting for them to thwart their plans of conquest! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it. BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh Frank Crawford wrote: YES Jack Unger wrote: I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown it in a bathtub? Glenn Kelley wrote: Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application? . With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up? Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com -- _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality
On issue here is Carters dream in the 70's that every American should have a house or right to have a house of their own. This was for much laying dormant but Bush era brought this back. To own a house is not a right. It's a privilege, not everyone should or are suitable to own a house the idea a house for every American is seriously flawed. This was what started the housing boom in the 70's out in California that quickly spread across the nation. Creating over time hyper inflated prices but was a slow progress but was once again flared up during Bush era and the push was one once again raising house prices even yet higher and in a push for this idiotic loans was designed to make this happen. Balloon loans that was design to get you in a house, sell that house after 10 years to get you into a bigger house since you now was supposed to have a better job, bigger family and your current house would be worth lot more. There are two fundamental flaws with this thinking. 1) the new house you buy will obviously be much more expensive as well and this Balloon loan was design to pay minimal principal on your current home until 10 years ahead. 2) it assumes your salary does not only keep up with inflation but advancing a head of it not taking into consideration of cyclic economic down turns, layoffs and failures. Loans created with a rose tinted glasses on never looking at worse case scenarios or even any bad scenarios. Then you have the other kind of loans like Lending Tree and Quickbooks started offer among others. Lower your monthly payment plans, in the fine print you discover that your only paying interest and NO principal. That sure helps people get out of debt. Even worse yet was some loans that Countrywide extended where the payment people made on their loans didn't even cover the full interest so the loan only grow. Bank of America ended up paying a steep fine over these loans (BoA bought Countrywide in 08). The current and past credit rating system in general is at fault at large. To get credit you have to have credit and the more credit you have the more credit you can get. Of course this is slightly better than it once was when a collage kid could get $10k credit card credit with no steady income. What makes sense to me on a credit system is. You have a steady income, no credit then your credit is good. The more you earn and the less credit you have the better your credit rating is. Once you start getting open credit your rating goes down. Ohh well. Just me being sensible I guess ;) Dang it. Stop talking politics guys back to wireless now lol / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality I'm really not interested in getting into a big hairy argument with you on-list Matt. The CRA DID have an effect, and the market created by Fannie and Freddie allowed the whole thing to happen. There are certainly other factors, but those are the two biggest. I will agree with you that there were plenty of stupid people with Cs in their titles that bellied up to the trough. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:13 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role inregulationofnet-neutrality On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:06 AM, Brad Belton wrote: The underlying point still holds true; big government imposing rules on lenders forcing them to lend to those that wouldn't have normally qualified. No, it in fact does not hold true. Since CRA mortgages were only a fraction of the bad mortgages it is logical to conclude the other bad mortgages would have still been made if there were no CRA mortgages. Further, it is reasonable to assume that if no CRA mortgages were made even more non-CRA mortgages would have been made given the additional available capital. There is plenty of blame to go around; trying to pin it on one thing is a waste of time. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act I think the paragraph Housing Advocacy groups and Predatory lending speaks pretty much for itself. CRA failed miserably in those areas because of the simple fact that after all CRA was all about to provide equal financing opportunities to low to mid-income and minority groups. So the pressure was on to provide financing to these groups and this back fired because the low in-come group had hard time paying the loans for a house they really couldn't afford. When you make less then 30k in the household can you really afford a 50k house and all expenses associated with said house? Figure just principal, 15 year loan you're looking at $277/mo. The Department of health and human services figure a 3 person household requires in the lower 48 $18k per year to scrap by. By my book that $277/mo + interest + insurance + maintenance is t much for this family to afford on a regular loan. In a 2002 study exploring the relationship between the CRA and lending looked at as predatory, Kathleen C. Engel and Patricia A. McCoy noted that banks could receive CRA credit by lending or brokering loans in lower-income areas that would be considered a risk for ordinary lending practices. Look where we are at today billions of dollar spent on TARP to save the banks that did these loans to low and middle income families. Fannie Mae and Freddie MAC brought back from the brink of complete meltdown by even more billions of dollars. A house is not a RIGHT it's a PRIVILEGE and not everyone can nor will be privileged enough to be able to afford a house. A house is not just a loan payment to have and up keep. It's also insurance and maintenance. Anyone owning a house knows that there is never an end to maintenance required once one thing is fixed another will appear some might not require immediate attention but some if immediate or soon attention is given will result in expensive fixes and repairs. The older house the more issues and a lot of the low to medium income families that is all they can afford the older houses in most areas. On top of this unfortunately a lot of the low income people are employees that are expendable in many companies so when things start to go hard they are often the first ones to get laid off. The high income guy is probably the person that makes the decisions and he relies on other high income people and mid level income people to make things happen. It's always the poor guy that get the shaft I'm afraid. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 2:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality I've seen plenty of research Matt. You ask for proof from me and you've provided none yourself. If you want to provide the basis for your statements and have an argument, let's have it. We'll probably have to do it off-list, since I'm sure everyone is getting tired of this, as am I. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC'sroleinregulationofnet-neutrality What does your quip have to do with your earlier assertions regarding CRA? Is your response to facts that challenge your position to simply change the subject? I worry you formed your position without proper research. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at 2:17 PM, Jeff Broadwick wrote: Talk to a mortgage lender...they have all become agents for Fannie and Freddie. Few of them do their own underwriting anymore. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's roleinregulationofnet-neutrality You keep make unsubstantiated claims. Where is your data? If you are so sure of CRA's effect where is the data? I mean every bank must disclose there numbers of CRA mortgages, so it is not hard to see what percentage of the overall market they are. Further, banks also publish what percentage of bad mortgages they have on the books. The numbers are there and CRA is a fraction. Look it up. Remember, we are talking about subprime mortgages. in 2006, of the top 25 subprime lenders only 1 was subject to CRA. In fact, Fannie and Freddie went from a high of 48 percentage of subprime loans in 2004 to 24 percent in 2006 because of the enormous private market for subprime. -Matt On Feb 5, 2010, at
[WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement
Thought this might be found interesting by some http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8498100.stm Granted not US based but sets a bit of a precedence I think. / Eje WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
*shudder* Reminds me of WISPCon in Vegas. The WISPCon hotel screwed up my families reserveration. Roadeo show in town and one other large conference. There was not a hotel room in entire Vegas, Henderson or anywhere close enough to drive to. Got to the hotel around 7pm to find out there was no available room for us. We called probably 100 different places and visited probably another 40+ places, pleading and begging for a room. We didn't even find any rooms at the ones that only rented per week. Me, my wife, one baby and one toddler. Finally about 2:30am we gave up and ended up sleeping in our rental minivan on the parking lot. In the middle of the night by accident set of the car alarm. Got kicked off the lot by the Casino security guards. Dumb ass suggested we drive downtown and take in on a hotel that charge by the hour. Yeah exactly the place I want to take 2 small children.. Parking the car on a street and sleeping in it was out of the question. We circled the block parked at a different location at the Casino parking area and went back to sleep. The memories.. Might have to do that again but without the kids ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show 10+ years ago I remember making a deal with a hotel to take a shower in a room that was being refurbished after driving through he night from NY. No available rooms for 50 miles. I should throw all my crap into a U-haul truck, drive it out there and abandon the thing! LOL -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 22:36:47 To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I have never had a problem finding rooms at Dayton, usually with my normal reservations taking place 2-3 days before the show. Never. Now, the hamvention, like all the other hamfests, is no where near as packed as it was 10 years ago too. 4 years ago I did not even have reservations and found rooms at the first place I stopped at, a Drury. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Not a bad idea, Dayton would be problematic as it has limited lodging in the area and the hams already book that capacity up long before the convention. There are other large regional hamfests that might be a good fit for your idea however. The one problem that may arise from those is that the locations in many cases won't be in areas where the airports have a lot of competition so the WISP attendees would more than likely have to pay higher airfare. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:06 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was
Re: [WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement
Agreed. I know this might not necessary have a direct precedence for the US market but I know in the past on some things like this the US courts, judges, attorneys and the like has looked at what other countries have done and taken a serious look on the reasoning why they went a specific direction so this case even if it's in Australia cannot be anything but a good thing for us in the US. Now if it been a different country like say China or India then well I would almost dare to say the US court system might do the opposite just cause. But consider the historical information both court system wise as well country origin and laws I believe this is a good thing and should be to the US ISP's favor. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:25 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement Very good! I've always had the thought that if I, as a provider of access to the internet am responsible for how the users behave.. I would like to stretch that out and hold everyone responsible for other things such as if a burglar uses the highway to come to your house to rob me, they should compensate me, the telco that he used to plan the crime should compensate me, the cell phone provider he used for his buddy outside to call to warn him if someone was coming into the house should compensate me. The problem is, they are just looking for everyone else to blame for their issues and want us all to police and be responsible for their property. It's this sort of thing that has to be held off or else we become the Big Brother society that many want us to be. I know, I know. We are almost already there. It's been Frog Soup (look it up) but we're seeing more of it happening more openly and I applaud this court for actually having the testicular fortitude to say NO. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 9:28 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] IPS Cleared of copyright infringement Thought this might be found interesting by some http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8498100.stm Granted not US based but sets a bit of a precedence I think. / Eje WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality
LOL makes me recall article I read earlier tonight. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-04/at-t-s-iphone-deal-swamps-networ k-sparking-consumer-rebellion.html / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality And me and my pack of highly trained Wispa Ninja warriors will be waiting for them to thwart their plans of conquest! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Common Carrier or what: The FCC's role in regulation of net-neutrality So, now that government has been drowned, the huge banks, insurance companies, telecoms can do whatever they want to you whenever they want to do it. BWh, haaa, h, haaa, hh Frank Crawford wrote: YES Jack Unger wrote: I trust that government will be able to keep up just fine. Do you support the alternative of making government so small that you can drown it in a bathtub? Glenn Kelley wrote: Title II of the Communications Act-the section that regulates telecommunications common carriers is now being considered by the FCC to oversee broadband. FCC Commissioner Robert M. McDowell during a talk he gave to the Free State Foundation asked: (see First Do No Harm: A broadband plan for Amercia) Exactly what kind of companies might get tangled up into this regulatory Rubik's Cube?.Any Internet company that offers a voice application? . With this newfound authority, why stop at voice apps? Isn't voice just another type of data app? As the distinction between network operators and application providers continues to blur at an eye-popping rate, how will the government be able to keep up? Much more on the blog: www.HostMedic.com -- _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
Need to upgrade from your 2 by 4 to a 4 by 4? ;) One thing I forgot to say in my rant is consider anyone over the above of 18 is registered to vote in Sweden the percentage SHOULD be lower than in a country where you have to actually register your intent to vote to be allowed to vote and yet around 85% vote there vs 65% here. ;P At times I wonder how many knows how and what they need to do to register to vote (I would hope everyone that are allowed to register to vote knows). But even further how many actually knows right now (no matter registered to vote or not) where they should go to vote? In Sweden once your 18 and upon the next election you get your voting card sent to you by mail which shows when and where you are expected to vote. I still get the vote card even after living 10 years here in the US (ashamed to say that I have not voted the last 2 elections but then I have very minimal clue what going on political back in Sweden).. FYI for anyone not knowing yes I'm still Swedish citizen and not a US citizen so am not allowed to vote in the US elections (I'm a legal alien ;) so anyone that meet me can claim they meet an alien... lol ) Alright back to my corner.. Drats said my last post was my 1 a year off topic now I consumed 2 years worth of non topic posts... / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:00 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 00:06 -0600, Eje Gustafsson wrote: I could really go at it and say that Americans should be ASHAMED of themselves. I agree. It is absolutely shameful to see the turnouts. It is MORE shameful that this is pointed out by you (don't be offended, it's not intended that way). It is, however, reality that too many Americans are unwilling to participate in politics in any way other than complaining. FWIW, I have NEVER missed the opportunity to vote in ANY election (all the way down to the local ones). The fact that sometimes a higher percentage of active voters differ in their opinion does not mean my vote doesn't count. It just means that I should work harder to teach people how to think. :-) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show
Count me in if you guys end up KC... =) I'll do the 2.5 hour drive for the fun of meeting up with you guys. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:36 PM To: lakel...@gbcx.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I feel as if I could have written that same post. I'm much saddened. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I like Ham Let's have it in Nashville or Kansas City. Pulled pork is my favorite! :-) -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 21:16:21 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show I would love for it to be during HAM. Right around the corner from me. On 2/3/10, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, I'd like to throw an idea out there and see who yells.. I had a thought that maybe it could be held at the same time as one of the large Ham conventions, like the one they hold in Dayton, Ohio. Only so much I can see and do at a 3 day event, would be great to be able to go across town or wherever to another event that would have a lot of the same sort of towers, tools, safety gear that we use as Wisp operators. No way would we get these type of vendors to come to a Wisp only show, in my opinion. The bonus is, it could be used as a marketing tool to bring in even more people without any more effort. I'd certainly go out of my way for an event that would cover radio gear as well as the hardware and safety. A lot of us WISP operators deal with HAMS and go to their conventions anyhow. Unless, of course, the WISPA show is stuffed with a full assortment of what we use. :) Anyway, just an idea. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Wispashow] Decision on WISPA Show All due respect Marlon, but I'm going to disagree with your assumptions. I have spent the last three months researching the possibility of putting on a show and evaluating our options. Before I started on that process, I felt the same way that you do about WISPA putting on our own show. I thought that it would be some work, but doable, and had some potential as a fund raiser. What was truly eye opening to me is the amount of work that is needed to put a show on properly. IMHO, WISPCON got lucky on the first show and then it degraded when the organizational and sales efforts did not scale up to the potential of the show. The market is quite different right now, and I don't think that we would be as lucky as P-15 was back in the day. Ed's group puts on trade shows - that is their focus. They are willing to do it at no cost to us, and to help us build our membership up so that both sides will benefit. They don't know much about the WISP business, so we have an opportunity to work with them to design a show that our members would all like to go to.They are going to do it on a much larger scale than what we had planned on doing, so we can spread WISPAs message beyond our own little community.Those are strong positives. Most importantly, we will not have to commit our money or manpower to the project.Money is not that big of a deal, but manpower is.We will not be able to put on a show with volunteer manpower, and it isn't really a question of just hiring someone because the job requirements go far beyond just being an ED type or a sales person. These guys have a staff of people who specialize in this kind of work and can get it done more effectively and at a larger scale than we could ever dream of doing on our own. All this being said - if the show is a flop, there will be an out so that we can go back to plan A next year if that is what needs to happen. For 2010, it makes more sense to work with professionals to get a show put on. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Marlon K. Schafer wrote: forwarding to the list. Matt/Forbes, can someone please set the list to reply to the list rather than to the sender? Thanks, Matt, understood. I'd disagree with that plan of action though. We need our own show. It should be a fund raiser for WISPA. Near as I can tell Ed's planning on more of an ISPCon type of a show. I believe we need more of a WISPCon kind of event. Lower cost, more intimate etc. I'd suggest that we step back and set a show date for later in the year. It shouldn't take more than
Re: [WISPA] Follow up article
Every vote counts. For every guy that thinks not there is two other that don't vote. If people came over this mentality your vote would matter because no matter what people think they are not alone in their believes. Look at the 2008 President election StateMargin Missouri 0.14% NC 0.32% Indiana 1.04% NE 2nd cong dist 1.19% MT 2.25% Florida 2.82% Ohio 4.59% (your state) These states represented 88 electoral votes States/districts with margin more than 5% but less than 10 represented another 64 electoral votes. Missouri there was a total of 3903 votes difference. Never say a vote do NOT count. I could really go at it and say that Americans should be ASHAMED of themselves. You bitch you moan about government and politics but only 63% of those that bothered to register to vote did vote in the last election for president. The SADEST part about it is that was a 10million voter increase over previous election. There is some 210million people registered to vote 132million bothered. Take this in comparison with say Sweden (which I know a lot of since I'm original from there) In Sweden you do NOT have to registered to vote. Once your 18 you are not only eligible to vote but your expected to vote. Consider there is no obligation and everyone 18 and older is considered a registered voter. In the last 30 years (vote for Parliament, no we don't have a president or king with powers) the LOWEST voting record was 80.1% and highest 91.8% turn out to vote. So end of 2012 anyone here I do not want to hear that they didn't vote. Go vote and while you are at it bring a friend or three to vote as well. Your voice can be heard. I'm sure there are at least 4000 people in Missouri that are today glad they voted to show the color of their state. North Carolina there is probably 14000 people today that wished they had voted. Alright of my soap box. Back to wireless talk for me doing my once a year of topic outburst ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 11:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Follow up article I have not voted to this day, to be honest. It is the masses and the public that votes and they well out number me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Josh How does it feel to be in the middle of a state where your vote hardly matters? I, in NJ had the same issue until recently. Let's hope the larger cities finally wake the heck up! On Feb 1, 2010, at 11:56 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: You know I really didn't like Obama in the beginning. Now he's really pissing me off. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:53 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I was just wondering about this the other day. It seems that we (USA) give things away so freely only to have them used against us. In the case of the net, I find it ironic that the very thing we developed is being used to attack our government and our people in so many ways yet we let everyone connect to it. I think we should start cutting of the ilk that hack or attempt to hack into our networks. -RickG On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv- access.com wrote: From NewsMax: Obama Surrendering Internet to Foreign Powers Sunday, 31 Jan 2010 06:41 PM Article Font Size By: Bradley A. Blakeman Without the ingenuity of America's brightest minds and the investment of U.S. taxpayer dollars, there would be no Internet, as we now know it today. Now, the Obama administration has moved quietly to cede control of the Web from the United States to foreign powers. Some background: The Internet came into being because of the genius work of Americans Dr.Robert E. Kahn and Dr. Vinton G. Cerf. These men, while working for the Department of Defense in the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency in the early 1970s, conceived, designed, and implemented the idea of open-architecture networking. This breakthrough in connectivity and networking was the birth of the Internet. These two gentlemen had the vision and the brainpower to create a worldwide computer Internet communications network that forever changed the world and how we communicate in it. They discovered that providing a person with a unique identifier (TCP/IP)that was able to be recognized and interact through a network of servers would allow users to
Re: [WISPA] test
What is faster morse code or cell phone texting... http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoID=2025791 097 Yeah... Kids today got things to learn ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] test Maybe not strange, but happy: http://www.happychild.org.uk/ifs/3mrs.htm This wouldve been nice as a child: http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/morse.shtml This is kinda funny: http://www.zianet.com/sparks/coder.html -RickG On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That would be SOS in morse. So there! That's one I actually knew I had a strange childhood. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] test ha ha heres a test ... _ _ _ ... wonder how many folks are long time users and know that one real fast ;-) On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Robert West wrote: Okay, I know it's a test but I'm not very good with tests. I didn't even know there was going to be a test.. This sucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] test Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] test
In the speed texting championships you are not allowed any spellaids or predictive text program. The fastest texters all recorded their speed texting on 12 key phones. I could see allowing a competition between a qwerty keyboard and morse. But spellaids and predictive text programs wouldn't be fair. I still believe morse would win because keys are smaller and harder to find on a qwerty then double/triple tapping a one out of 12 keys. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] test Rigged. There is no Blackberry keyboard - just that awful 12-key thing (not t9 autofill, but a total of 12 keys). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: What is faster morse code or cell phone texting... http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individualvideoID=2025791 097 Yeah... Kids today got things to learn ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] test Maybe not strange, but happy: http://www.happychild.org.uk/ifs/3mrs.htm This wouldve been nice as a child: http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/morse.shtml This is kinda funny: http://www.zianet.com/sparks/coder.html -RickG On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: That would be SOS in morse. So there! That's one I actually knew I had a strange childhood. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] test ha ha heres a test ... _ _ _ ... wonder how many folks are long time users and know that one real fast ;-) On Jan 30, 2010, at 9:53 PM, Robert West wrote: Okay, I know it's a test but I'm not very good with tests. I didn't even know there was going to be a test.. This sucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] test Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Syslog
Syslog is udp by default. This is what MikroTik expects it to be. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Syslog Does anyone know if MT sends out syslog information on TCP or UDP? I know it's port 514. I've figured out how to have rsyslog listen to UDP 514, but not TCP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:05 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Syslog I'm looking to setup a syslog server. Like most things open source, there's a whole bunch of projects that sound great, but have been abandoned for years. I'm looking for a setup that's hopefully backed by MySQL. I'd like a GUI of some sort as I really detest the CLI for most things. It looks like syslog-ng is the way to go, but the GUI part is difficult to figure out. oh, and Linux based. Looking to run this in an OpenVZ container. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems) My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that. Antenna diversion or increased base station density. Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3 up and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the access road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to the tower leg joints. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] omni upside down
Not much, probably if you need multiple omnis you would install sectors. But if you need antenna diversity and use omnis this is one of the easier way to do it since you just need one standoff bracket. However when doing need to be wary of downtilt antennas especially for the omni tilted down and ensure you have no weep holes or similar that now end up at the top of the antenna. But with directional antennas on the client it seems base station diversity is not any greater advantage. It's good for roaming mobile users (laptops, pda, cellphones) that might not have direct LOS to the base station. On Direct LOS there is no reason to use diversity unless you are doing a mimo setup using a 2 chain radio. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] omni upside down Thanks! Is there any advantage for a WISP to do this? -RickG On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Those are more than likely cell phone sites that have those big whip antennas going up and down (believe they are 800Mhz frequency range systems) My understanding it has one out of two reasons why they are built like that. Antenna diversion or increased base station density. Have one not too far from me that has a crown with a total of 6 omni's. 3 up and 3 down, mounted on a triangular crown. Those omnis are massive and my guess are they are at least 10-15 feet it's hard to tell because the access road is blocked and I never walked down to get close enough to compare to the tower leg joints. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] omni upside down While traveling around, I've noticed a few towers with omnis mounted upside down with a neighbor omni mounted right side up. Whats the purpose in this? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Public IP behind Transparent Bridge
Yes you can do route the publics over a internal private ip network but of course you do not want/need to nat. Drawback (advantage) is that people on the outside can not traceroute through your internal network because you use private ips but that don't prohibit them from reaching the public ips on your inside internal network. This is sent from a machine with a public of 12.x.x.158 in between the location I'm at and my core router (connected to my upstream) I have 2 routers with ONLY private ips. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public IP behind Transparent Bridge I hear ya. If not by bridging, what other option could be used to move the public IP? I NAT everything, public IP's big mega mucho $$ for me, hate it. Can you route the public through a network that is all NAT? Just for future knowledge Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Public IP behind Transparent Bridge On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 15:45, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Before I start tearing into things and make a mess for myself, can one have a public IP behind a transparent bridge? Yup. I can vouch for Josh Luthman's instructions. Heck, I have the whole turn a pair of Mikrotik radios into transparent bridges instructions down to a one-pager, suitable for the field techs to use. While many on this list preach that bridging is bad (and they're often right), the ability to turn a pair of boards into an easy drop-in replacement/upgrade for older bridging-only gear (Trango 5800, I'm looking at you) is a powerful one. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Skype To FCC Request Net Neutrality
http://gigaom.com/2010/01/14/skype-to-fcc-keep-internet-open-neutral/ If this already been posted my apologies but can't recall seeing anything about this today. / Eje WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik?
We among many others carry this one. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ8eq=Tp= Since this is an indoor model and should be placed as close as possible to the poe powered device to provide maximum protection to the unit for any power surge induced over you cat5 run I have personally never tested it with Canopy. But it should work well with as far as I know it does not distinguish between positive or negative requirements on the power cablings. Keep in mind that that unit clamps at 60V which is far more than Standard Canopy units can handle. Better selection might be the SP-POE-MJ24 which is designed to protect 24V units and have a clamping level of 30V on the power side and 7.5V on the data wires. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=SP-POE-MJ24eq=Tp= We use them all the time with MikroTik and Ubiquiti radios as well sell them for that usage. I could if you want test to make sure they work with Canopy but I do not see a reason why not from my knowledge of the units design. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor withUBNT radios or Mikrotik? Will these work with Canopy? Where can you get them? Price? They look like really nice units and they way they separate the data and power protection seems a better idea than competing products. Thanks, Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:56:40 -0600 I guess I hit enter before I was thru typing. I also use the Citel in-line suppressors (60v) in every AP that I build. http://www.citel.us/data_sheets/dataline/MJ850524D3A6012B-DataSheet.pdf Knock on wood, I have never lost an ethernet port on a unit that has this surge suppressor installed. I had an AP go dead a couple of months ago. When I opened the enclosure there was water in the bottom of the enclosure and the surge suppressor was actually melted from the connector shorting out, but the MT board was fine. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Josh Luthman wrote: I know it isn't said very often but the voltages for the devices we commonly use are Canopy 12-24v Nano/Locostations 12-25v MT 4xx 10-28v Cordless drill battery 18-22v Having a mobile POE priceless Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: Good point about the voltage. I use them mostly for UBNT CPE. What MT units I used them with were 18 or 24V. Tom DeReggi wrote: The 600SSB still clamps at 35V like the 300SS, right? If so, make sure you are using Less than 35V Mikrotiks units and not 48V configurations. As an alternative Citel also makes a nice outdoor mountable unit specifically for wifi pin-outs, about the same cost ($25ish). They have both 60Vand 35V models. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Can I use Motorola Canopy 600SSB Surge Suppressor with UBNT radios or Mikrotik? Yes you can. You have to move the ground jumper. Just loosen the nuts and move the jumper to the hole with no copper. The jumper will short out the + voltage to ground. LaRoy McCann Data Technology Scott Carullo wrote: Not sure if it matters that the voltage + and - are swapped... Thanks Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for this very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD. It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new Ryobi One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a similar for their batteries ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Josh, Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the indoor CAT5 is finished. How did you make the connector that the Battery fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill? Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 20v, 24V, or 48V. Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and then plug-in. Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to find out, but taht is not always the case. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Tom, Problem solved: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg That's a 24v power supply. Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due to whatever. You can get them with SR/XR9. Streakwave as a very similar, OK, identical product. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'll order one to try out. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt How about both good price and well built? Order 5+ and you save $50+. http://quicklinkwireless.com/Customkititems.asp?kc=KIT-58-23A-R52eq= I personally have them deliver the parts. I have someone at the office build them and test them (they charge 7/unit and my guy can do 2.5 builds/hr). Some of them they did build as I made a mistake
Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt
Look it got my Name on it even... =) Love it... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 4:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Look at the picture better. It says patent pending. Zoomed in: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502-zoom.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Ryobi one plus have a battery tester that would be simple to modify for this very thing. I think they are less than $15 at HD. It's a cool idea now why didn't I think of that I love my Ryobi One+ tools ;) I better run and file the patent before Josh does for this cool new Ryobi One+ accessory as well preventing Milwakiu and Dewalt users from making a similar for their batteries ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Josh, Really cool. What a great idea to get a radio aligned and tested, BEFORE the indoor CAT5 is finished. How did you make the connector that the Battery fit into? Or did you sabatage an old charger/drill? Truthfully though for reoccuring maintenance, I'd rather use the Power supply that is already in the customers home, with a passive temp junction box the majority of the time. Then I dont have to guess, check, or keep track whether the MT SBC that is inside the enclosure is configured for 20v, 24V, or 48V. Its qwicker to just plug in, then to verify config and then plug-in. Sure if someone is back in the office, its a quick call to find out, but taht is not always the case. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt Tom, Problem solved: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00079-20100108-1502.jpg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60247/IMG00081-20100108-1503.jpg That's a 24v power supply. Works with Trango/Canopy ptmp stuff (RP) and Mikrotik/Nanostations (the other way on the switch) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: What we'd really like to see if a 411 style board with a second Ethernet port. There is good reason for that. 1) 433 boards dont fit in most Rootenna style or very low cost cases 2) There is a big cost different between 433Ah and basic 411, if serving residential. 3) The second Etherenet port is needed for Maintenance. a) When residential home owner is not home, to access the CPE. Provider's tech works days, Customer home at night :-(. Its so much quicker to plug in tech laptop plug directly to second ethernet port, than to run extention cords, new AC power source, and no need to risk damaging a working POE Ethernet port 1 all sealed up and functioning. b) When initial install and alignment is done, it can be done easilly with Laptop right there at radio, without going inside and getting distracted by customer. c) We want a case that lets us remove the POE Ethernet jack without cutting/recrimping it, and we want an easy access hole/plate pre-cut right under the second ethernet port, so its easy to quickly access without opening rootenna case, or without incurring a signficant cost for pass thru jack that is not really needed for a temp eth connection port. I really like the 433AH for our commercial installs, because there is enough margin there to justify stand alone larger cases and stuff. But I'd still like a rock bottom cost CPE only, thats cosmetically pleasing, and high power, that does not sacrifice features. This requires a 411 footprint, and dual ether. I guess looking at the 411, there really isn't any room to place a second Eth, and would require a PCB layout change, so I guess this will never likely occur. But its nice to dream. :-) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Mikropoynt I get them with RB411R boards instead of RB411 and R52 for my 2.4 clients. One less connector to fail due
Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire
Only if you get caught? ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire Isn't that fraud? On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Gives me an idea old lightning zapped cpe's find a house fire. Offer owner of house free installation of 6 or 7 or whatever number messed up units one may have, after the fact of course... Dang shame, house burned down and all burned up them 47 CPE's and cisco router... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Burnt CPE from House Fire So far I've had this happen twice. Both times the customers volunteered to turn it into their insurance. -RickG On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Lost our first CPE from a house fire. Guy was so down on the phone, I couldn't bear to bother him with an insurance claim on the CPE. What have you done? Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FUD spreading again - WAS RE: Wimax gear
Sigh.. Ignorance is bliss I guess. But never mind. Since you never investigated nor understand the rules I'm not going to let you know that there are plenty of MikroTik units out there that passed FCC cert lab testing and have FCC approval and modular systems that passed FCC enforcement inspection. Ohh and with your belief every single laptop with a modular WiFi card is then not certified. I hope all your laptops your company and you personally use then uses USB sticks and that the card is not a mpci with the original mpci FCC cert code stickered on the laptop. But my guess that is the case. Do me this go to FCC's grant code database and search for your WiFi cards certificate and read over the documents and see how the card was tested and let me know if it was tested WITH YOUR particular laptop model and brand. If not I guess per your own words Ralph you are not using FCC certified products. Life stinks. So tired of self proclaimed experts. Once you been involved in FCC certify equipment and gotten products certified let's talk. / Eje On Dec 30, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Ralph wrote: Go ahead and live the dream then, but please don't homebuild your own gear and deploy it in any of my markets. We prefer certified products. On Dec 30, 2009, at 8:10 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: You can use MikroTik and be legal. Anyone say any different either don't understand the rules or checked the approved certs or is just spreading FUD. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:05:50 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems. Of course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end performance. Would not use Mikrotik for any RF due to our desire to stay legal. On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping that it will actually work Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business? Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems don't scale The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a Broadsoft) I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =) -Charles --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT M5 series nanostation
Yes a NSM5 can talk with a MikroTik 11n unit. Currently they have some issues with the M5's talking with Legacy (802.11a) equipment a new firmware should be forth coming shortly. The latest solved a lot of the problems but not completely. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT M5 series nanostation I have not used any UBNT M series units yet so I have a couple of questions. Is an NS M5 compatible with Mikrotik 802.11N or does it have to be used with the Rocket M basestation? Can it be used with Mikrotik 802.11A? LaRoy McCann Data Technology WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot
Talk about hand warmers. I saw at the dollar tree they had hand warmers (reusable). I had those reusable before ad they are GREAT. There is a small metal button inside you pop and it starts to get warm. After a while they start to cool down ad start to get hard. To make it usable again just boil it and it gets soft again and once it gets cool it's ready to use just pop the button again. You could find them before in wild life stores but they seemed to be numerous dollars there but been a while since I looked for them so might be lot cheaper today.. /Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot I picked up whole box of them tonight at Advance Auto while getting some transmission fluid. 20 in a box, 89 cents each. Says will last 7 hours. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 8:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot I like the hand warmer idea. I see em for less than a buck per regularly. Thanks for the tip. mg At 02:01 PM 12/17/2009, you wrote: Yeah, you are an id10t! Yikes. It's only internet guys! NO ONE IS GONNA DIE if it doesn't work. Oh, they act like they will, but they wont. Safety first, and last. If you aren't safe out there, it'll be the last thing you do in this business or any other. We get in enough jams just doing what we have to do. Lets not compound the problem. OK, having said that. I keep a box full (yes a box full) of those chemical hand and foot warmers in the car this time of year. EVERY car. When I have to work outside for any amount of time (I tend to not wear gloves at all, can't work with them) I tape one to the inside of my wrist. Right where you'd check your pulse. That does an amazing job of warming the blood going into your hands. Try it some time, you'll be amazed at how warm your hands stay. You can also put one or two of them in your front pants pocket and that'll help keep your feet warm. I found out that riding a dirt bike stirs up too much air and they get really hot! I ended up with blistered skin on my legs from a couple of them. If they start to feel too hot, they are. I'd have never guessed that that could have happened! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot Mine seem to freeze at approximately... oh 28 degrees while holding onto a steel ladder in a 17mph wind, at least that's my best estimation. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I'm an idiot Really glad you're OK! I have never been able to keep my fingers decent - they freeze at 50! On 12/16/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm an idiot. Had to climb to the top of a tower this afternoon. 300 foot tower. Drive to the tower, put on the harness and all the other crap, grab the hat, all good. No gloves. Figures. Where are the gloves? The NEW gloves? Home. All I had was a thin pair of leather work gloves. Did I go up? Certainly, because I'm an idiot. I can now almost feel my fingers. Was a balmy 28 degrees out with winds to 17 mph. Just had to share my utter stupidity. Never again. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5
Last weeks shipment is all gone of the NSM5's but another container is following closely behind hopefully should have it in next week. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 You can check with CTI, I talked to them Monday and they had a few but had to buy 4 or 5 to get them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 Anyone have the Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 in stock? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
Don't forget the towel.. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice The universal answer to all questions. I had all but forgotten it... Thanks! now, if I could just remember -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 10:42 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice roflol Now THAT's funny! So long and thanks for all the fish! marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice 42 is the answer. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Thats right! And the government will provide us with REAL salaries too! Actually, all I'm seeing is a REAL shaft coming. Oh, one correction though, thinking on this list. should be by some thinking on this list. :) Not all here think the government is the answer. -RickG On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government. Just like REAL health care. Just like REAL education. Just like REAL science. Just ask the advocates of government can make our lives a paradise thinking on this list.I have learned. All that private enterprise stuff... that's just profitmongering at the expense of the people.Get the government to buy it for you, and spend 7 times as much for it and it's virtue, caring, love, and sainthood, all in one package. -- From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:20 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice http://www.cedmagazine.com/News-Broadband-stimulus-funds-121109.aspx The $7.2 billion in broadband stimulus funding given out by President Obama is not even close to enough to deploy truly universal broadband access, according to a new study from Insight Research. Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5
Yepp that is the shipment with the antennas. I thought the antennas was on the shipment we were to receive last week but it's on the shipment that is still on its way hopefully should be in no later than next week because we want to ship as many out we can before we close for inventory between Christmas and new years. Hopefully we will just be closed for no more than 2 days there but could be longer depending how the count will go. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 Any idea if you have antennas on that shipment, the 16-120s in particular Scott Piehn - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 Last weeks shipment is all gone of the NSM5's but another container is following closely behind hopefully should have it in next week. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. Follow us on twitter.com/wisprouter -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 5:57 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 You can check with CTI, I talked to them Monday and they had a few but had to buy 4 or 5 to get them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 Anyone have the Ubiquiti Nanostation NSM5 in stock? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
And whom is providing the government with the monies to do this? The tax payers and isn't a tax payer allowed to comment/argue what the monies are being used for? Can just look at for example Kansas where the government done a poor job in managing the monies. 8 years ago toll free numbers was removed. This year education gotten almost $500 in reduction, might not have monies to pay government payroll. Was talks last year that they might not be able to payout tax refunds (monies where the tax payers paid too MUCH). Anyone paying taxes have the right to bitch, whine and gripe about the government on anything they do that cost monies. Now if I or others might want to hear it here or in another place that is a different matter. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sylvester Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on this list by people who ... - sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to them by the FCC for free or low cost. - sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and developed by DARPA and later funded by the National Science Foundation. - drive on roads funded with taxpayer dollars and maintained by the government. - sell Internet service in rural areas to farmers that receive billions in government subsidies per year. - connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the Rural Electric Administration. - use VA health services. - will use Medicare and Social Security when they retire. - call the police and fire department when they need help. - send their kids to public schools. Amazing. Tim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NanoStation External Antenna
Or change the clients channel first before you change the AP... Also in WDS slave mode the client will automatically follow the AP / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 9:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NanoStation External Antenna I just got my 1 and only wds client off of wds. He had a neighbor at the bottom of a hill that wanted service so I came up with the idea of using wds to get them service. It worked but if you have to change channels on the access point the wds client will not change automatically. You have to go out and manually change the client's channel. A real pain. LaRoy McCann Robert West wrote: I was curious, how many of you folks use the External Antenna connection on the Nanostation and how are you using them? I have never utilized it but last night a customer asked about a wireless router to add a laptop to their service and thought about installing an external antenna to the NS2 and putting it in Station WDS to see what that would do for me. Was concerned though about creating headaches. I have enough already. Any thoughts? Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln
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Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln
This article very nicely outlines possibilities behind the move. http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/nov2009/tc2009_678209.htm / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] HP to buy 3Com for 3.1bln This was brought up in an IRC channel earlier today no one could answer this question: What does 3com have that prospective buyers want? On 11/11/09, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: http://www.reuters.com/article/CMPTRS/idUSN1138008420091112 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Don't know about doing it with vlans but the RB450G's (the gigaethernet model) and Rb493AH (high cpu powered unit) can easily handle 50+mbps without breaking much of a sweet. Have a RB450G that is pushing an average of 6Mbps and cpu load don't go over 5% but this unit don't have any vlans active on it and setup as a l3 switch. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:42 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ? Also, how do they handle 50+ mbps of traffic and doing port based vlans? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
The correct list price is $74 for the ECB-3220 set by EnGenius. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=ECB-3220eq=Tp= / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:27 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client Engenius. The ECB3220 (you can set them for bridge/router mode and have them ready to go for the customer!) is pretty good and they're $81 list: http://www.tessco.com/products/displayHierarchySkus.do?groupId=591subgroupI d=48showFilterItems=trueeventGroup=4eventPage=1 USB adapter is ok - not a fan of needing drivers on windows. The end of September (or around there) they were $65 for two (so we paid around $30 for each device). Make a Tessco account, make friends with your account rep, make sure he knows you use these and they will contact you when the sale shows up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Will a MT Crossroads do WDS Station with a UBNT Powerstation2 (also in WDS station)?
Yes MT have no problem doing WDS with any of the Ubnt products. One need to be master two wds stations can not talk one need to be master the other slave/station. But otherwise yes no problems. http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=MikroPilot-crdeq=Tp= Complete unit. 16dBi panel, poe injector and powersupply. Is a FCC certified unit with sticker but I'm sure you can peel those off if you need to ;) Vertical polarity only is only drawback. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Will a MT Crossroads do WDS Station with a UBNT Powerstation2 (also in WDS station)? Does anyone know if the MT Crossroads will do WDS station with a UBNT Powerstation2 also in WDS station? Does anyone know where I can get a MT Crossroads as a complete unit with panel antenna enclosure and PoE, ready to hang? FCC cert/sticker not an issue, this is for the jungle of Venezuela. Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar
That would mean increased cost on the units. People is more interested in price and MT products not capable of 48VDC and the sale of them caused such a dip in the 48V MT products that the 48VDC product line became too expensive to produce due to lack of quantity so choice was either increase price or drop the line. So the product was dropped because increase in price would mean even more people felt the advantage wasn't enough to justify paying that much more which would lead to even lower sale which would increased the cost and there is a level when producing a product does not become economical because the quantity is not enough. On MOST of their products we can do a special order MOQ 100 pcs last I checked at a slightly higher price than previous list price. Got need enough for 100 pcs RB532 or 100 pcs RB100 series boards. We still have RB230's left. Or of course you could buy RB600 which handles 10-56V on power jack or 38 to 56V on POE port. So you actually do have one option still available that gives you a powerful unit that is still manufactured and sold. So I guess comes down to how much is it worth to you the option is STILL there but I would assume you want the 48V option on the lower cost routers and that will not happen because that is ONE of the reason the products are cheaper. That said the choice is up to you actually since the product is available. / Eje From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar I want MikroTik to go back to 48VDC! Randy Cosby wrote: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3 http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3t=36191start=0 t=36191start=0 I'm pulling my hair out and wasting all kinds of money on voltage regulators to make sure my solar and dc-powered sites don't cause mikrotik routerboards to go into over-voltage protection when the batteries get charged over 28v. I'm begging (and asking for you to join me) Mikrotik to: 1. Upgrade the over-voltage protection to 30v or higher on 24 volt products. 2. Never EVER make another routerboard that runs has over-voltage protection at 28v 3. Change the over-voltage behavior to cause the device to reboot when the voltage drops to acceptable levels, instead of requiring a power-cycle to bring it back to life. Will you join me on this and let Mikrotik, your distributor, etc. know your thoughts on this? This is not a new problem, it has been discussed repeatedly on the lists and forums. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google
NAT is unfortunately not very scalable but also never told is the amount of subs that are being natted and through how many ips. NAT _IS_ an issue. But comes down to business model. Do you spend the time for tech support and issues handling this on an ongoing basis or do you spend the money and buy your own space. Either way will cost you money or do you just borrow space from upstream and go through renumber every time you move to a new provider. If you renumber then it will to cost monies but at least only the few times you change providers which I would think is not very frequently since you probably locked into a one or multi year contract. Also the time (cost) to renumber depends how your delivering ips to your clients (one reason I personally recommend dhcp even if you give your client a static ip because if you need to renumber you just change that one ip on your dhcp server and wait a few days. Most of the time the reason your moving from one provider to another is for cheaper bandwidth. But with that in mind you have to look at is it WORTH saving X amount of $ to move and renumber or what not. Say if I got 50Mbit for the same price I was paying for 15Mbit and my 15 was starting to fill up then yes a reasonable amount of renumbering would be well worth it. There is NOTHING you can do to fix a problem doing a large network NAT to single IP when a website say sorry to much traffic because all your clients shows as sending traffic from that single ip. Maybe you could do an agreement with that one website host but that is just an interim solution. If your set on staying with NAT because you think it is the most economical even if that means more tech support time and issues that you have to pay tech support time then well one need to minimize the amount of subs that uses a single IP. With any linux router you can do a src-nat and specify that this group/subnet of IPs should be NAT'd to this public and this group/subnet is NAT'd to this public. I would ASSUME (you know what they say about that) that if you getting the sorry to much traffic message that your NATing an entire network behind a single IP on a core router instead of NATing at each individual tower site so that each AP or tower itself is NATted to it's own unique public IP. Later is my own personal preference if NATing needs to be done because if you get a court/RIA or just abuse complaint you at least know which tower is causing the problem so instead of trying to figure out from 2k customers (I think that is what Matt said the other day he had) you now just need to figure out from maybe 50 customer whom is the guilty party. My personal preference is to give public ips combination PPPoE and Hotspot (dhcp server) this way if need renumber all need to do is add a new pool of IP's and change the server which pool to use once client automatically changed over to use the new ips then it's time to retired the old ones and if you end up taking to long you simply start NATing the old ip space behind the new until it can be swapped over. Last time we renumbered it took me 5 hours of work and planning to renumber 3 /24's majority of this time was spent on changing all our servers IP's from old IP to new IP (got almost an entire /24 just for server ip space). Way before this was done I had updated our DNS to a 5min cache setting (TTL) for all our domains (regex sed job that took 15 min to whip up since I also had to make sure the serial was updated). I did this a few weeks before we were ready. I created NAT rule to forward the NEW server ips to my old server IPs on my router once we did took the new link live. Then Started the task to change the server ips. Once a server ip was changed the nat rule was disabled. New pools and networks was created on all our access routers and pppoe concentrators (took longer to break up blocks and figure out what needed to go where then what it took to do the configuration). I could have but didn't changed the DHCP lease times to say 5min to make the swap faster and could have disconnected all PPPoE users to force them to take a new ip. But I rather waited and let it swap normally. Larger network with twice amount of towers and clients I would say might add another couple of hours to my renumbering time. A 2k network assuming my approach and setup would probably take around 10 hours (depending on how many servers needed ip changes and updates) without the servers renumber would take probably no more then 5-6 hours. At $150/hr (being generous) at 10 hours it's $1500. I think you are looking at about $3k a year for your own IP space. I'm still a head even if I changed provider yearly. But if I did I would have it down to an art and time frame would probably be lot less in the future. With NATing on a Core I would expect to have almost an single tech guy that would spend most of his time handling those issues and dealing with customers problems from natting and assigning publics. Even if I'm generous and
Re: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right to bar telecommunicationstowers
You can find a lot of fake palm trees in Las Vegas for similar reasons that if they didn't hide the towers then they couldn't put up any more. Drive north towards Nellis airforce base on I-15 on the left side along the rail road tracks one of the palms is not a real palm. There are plenty others around that I seen on different smaller roads. Cities wants cell phones and good coverage but many starts to be sticklers about letting the towers go up to give this coverage. T-mobile and ATT had a very long outdrawn fight to be able to install the towers they needed in Pittsburg to get the coverage required. They ended up having to share tower but even then it was not easy for then. Sister town Frontenac expedited their request on the other hand. The differences between cities politics and building approvals can be very different (one reason we are now located in Frontenac instead of Pittsburg because Frontenac bent over backwards to make us happy and get us going while with both Pittsburg as well the county everything we wanted threw up red flags). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:19 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right to bar telecommunicationstowers The town of Saddle River NJ fought the phone company and they reached an agreement - the phone company decorated the tower with fake evergreen branches. The tower looks like a big pine tree. If you're ever driving on Rt. 17 look at the big pine tree right next to the highway at the Saddle River exit. Greg On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.netwrote: After all, travel is often as much about the journey as it is about the destination. WOW?!?! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:48 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Court says cities have the right to bar telecommunicationstowers http://www.benton.org/outgoingframe/29127 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
It's the feed that determine the frequency. If there is no markings on it the only reasonable way is to use something like a Bird Site Analyzer to figure out your VSWR on the feed and see where the VSWR and return loss is the best. The dish itself only focus the energy in one particular spot then it's up to the feed to pick out the frequency you are interested in. If it's a grid dish certain spacing between the members are good for certain ranges of frequency but a solid does not have this issue. Polarity comes down to the feed again how it's installed in the dish. By rotating the feed 90deg in the mount will change your polarity. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency I have 4 two ft dishes that where pulled down when the previous wisp went out of business. There are no markings on them and I need to determine frequency and polarity. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
Diameter is irrelevant and will not tell you frequency. The feed is determine the frequency. If these are Pacific Wireless dishes then they are 5GHz assuming these are solid dishes since Pac never produced a 2.4GHz feedhorn for their solid dishes at least during the 6+ years we been one of their distributors. Only question would be if they are narrow frequency 5GHz or wideband 5GHz feeds. They been selling the wideband feeds for about 2 years now during this time the narrow frequency feeds have not been very popular. But even if they where narrow frequency 5GHz and you used it on the wrong 5Ghz frequency then they would still work except your gain would be down 3-4dB from what they could do. I cannot on top of my head recall how to determine the installed polarity of the feed but will go back to the warehouse to take a quick look to see how the feed needs to be installed for vertical and horizontal since it's impossible to tell by looking at the head of the feed on these dishes. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz dishes? Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I happen to know they are either 5.8 or 2.4 as this was the only equipment I have found of theirs, they left it all when they went out of business. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Got a spectrum analyzer and a frequency generator? Or a good network analyzer will do, but most people don't have one laying around. The feeds could literally be anything. You might be better off just calling the MFG of the dish and buying new feeds in the range you want unless you you have a few hours of extra time on your hands. Cameron Mark McElvy wrote: I have 4 two ft dishes that where pulled down when the previous wisp went out of business. There are no markings on them and I need to determine frequency and polarity. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
Only reason why the feed arm is longer on a higher gain dish or grid is because the grid or dish is larger and the focal point is further away from the dish so the arm has to be longer but that is independent of frequency because the focal point will always be at the same place on the same dish no matter frequency. Think of a dish as a magnifying glass. Depending on the size and shape of the glass you have to hold it so far away to get best magnification. Remember when you where kid and toasted ants with a magnifying glass you had to hold it so far away from the ant to get that really strong white pinpoint on the ant. If you took a different size glass you had to change the distance but the distance was always the same for the one particular glass no matter what kind of light source (sun, light bulb, fluorescent, candle). The same is true with a dish / grid. The size and shape of it determine where all the light (in our case RF) is being strongest bunched up and the frequency is just different light sources. Replace the feed that is designed for a different frequency on the dish/grid and that grid now work on that frequency. But with a grid the higher frequency your wanting to use the closer the spacing between the grid members has to be to be the most efficient. 1 works good for 900 and 2.4 but 0.5 is recommended for 5Ghz or higher. On a solid dish you have no such issues or concerns since it's a perfect mirror. / Eje Dear animal protection activists. No ants where harmed in this telling... ;) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency The feedhorn specifically. Maybe the length will help you too. I know with higher gain the 5GHz grids are noticeably longer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Hmmm, pretty sure a 2' dish is a 2' dish regardless of frequency...or are you speaking of the diameter of the feed? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz dishes? Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I happen to know they are either 5.8 or 2.4 as this was the only equipment I have found of theirs, they left it all when they went out of business. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Got a spectrum analyzer and a frequency generator? Or a good network analyzer will do, but most people don't have one laying around. The feeds could literally be anything. You might be better off just calling the MFG of the dish and buying new feeds in the range you want unless you you have a few hours of extra time on your hands. Cameron Mark McElvy wrote: I have 4 two ft dishes that where pulled down when the previous wisp went out of business. There are no markings on them and I need to determine frequency and polarity. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
The feeds used on the Pac/Laird 2 dishes is 8.5 long from flange to the bottom of the feed. The new wide band feeds are a flat looking disk 5.75 in diameter. http://store.wisp-router.com/customkititems.asp?kc=DA5W%2D29eq=# Shows a picture of the old narrow band feed it's about 2 in diameter. You can see a picture of the wide band feed at http://store.wisp-router.com/customkititems.asp?kc=DA5W%2D32eq= It looks just the same on the 2ft dish even if I linked to the 3ft. If you need a wide band 5Ghz feed for the 2ft dish then this http://store.wisp-router.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=DA5W%2D29%2DFEEDeq=Tp= Should work assuming the length of the arm is correct. (not that the picture is the old style narrow band but the item we have in stock is actually the wideband, guess I need to make sure we get the picture updated for this item). On the wideband if the N-female connector is up/down then you are set for vertical and if the connector is to either side your set for horizontal. On the old style feed the connector is straight back and there should be markings on the base if this marking is up/down your in vertical, side either side it's horizontal. I want to recall it's just a notch or circular depression (do not have any of those feed left so can not verify). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency I suppose the may not be pacwireless as I have determined they are 2.4 by hooking the up to a CM9 and when ap is in 5.8 I see nothing and when in 2.4 I can see. Now I just need to find 5.8 feedhorns to fit this dish. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Assuming they're Pac (not sure how that was determined) You know they are 2.4 or 5Ghz Eje just said: If these are Pacific Wireless dishes then they are 5GHz assuming these are solid dishes since Pac never produced a 2.4GHz feedhorn for their solid dishes at least during the 6+ years we been one of their distributors. Obviously it's 5GHz! Polarity is normally done with an arrow sticker on the base of the feedhorn. Of course if it's been out in the weather it's long gone. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: BTW Mark, if you determine they are PacWireless antennas I'd just punt them on EBay and replace them with RadioWaves or Gabriel 2' antennas. In the long run you'll be a lot happier. Just my opinion... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Ok, just checking. Good cover...grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency The feedhorn specifically. Maybe the length will help you too. I know with higher gain the 5GHz grids are noticeably longer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Hmmm, pretty sure a 2' dish is a 2' dish regardless of frequency...or are you speaking of the diameter of the feed? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz dishes? Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I happen to know they are either 5.8 or 2.4 as this was the only equipment I have found of theirs, they left it all when they went out of
Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
They are not. Without markings or other things to reference by all you can do is measure current focal length and find a feed that matches that focal length or adjust the new feed to the same focal length because the parabolic curve determines where the focus point is on the dish/grid and different manufactures can have slightly different parabolic curve on theirs but one good thing is that a lot of grids and dishes sold on the market today are sourced from a few true manufactures so brand X dish might be the same as Brand Z the only difference between them is the feed itself where brand X makes their own and Brand Z uses the Chines developed/copied design. Most mfgs have some kind of marking or labeling on them but weather will kill the labeling over time and you have to rely on the markings but to understand the markings one have to know the make which might be as easy to figure out as trying to read the weather beaten label. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Are all parabolic grids the same visually? I would expect the mounting hardware to be most distingushable. Do you mean you can NOT depend on a lot of things, Scott? From what I've picked up on this thread is there is no real way to identify a dish nor feedhorn for polarity/frequency. Stickers are a must. Hear that manufacturers? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: Feed length is based on dish size; where does the parabola focus. Nothing to do with frequency, everything reflects the same. Size of the feed horn isn't always an indicator either. Can depend on a lot of things. Josh Luthman wrote: The feedhorn specifically. Maybe the length will help you too. I know with higher gain the 5GHz grids are noticeably longer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Hmmm, pretty sure a 2' dish is a 2' dish regardless of frequency...or are you speaking of the diameter of the feed? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz dishes? Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I happen to know they are either 5.8 or 2.4 as this was the only equipment I have found of theirs, they left it all when they went out of business. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Got a spectrum analyzer and a frequency generator? Or a good network analyzer will do, but most people don't have one laying around. The feeds could literally be anything. You might be better off just calling the MFG of the dish and buying new feeds in the range you want unless you you have a few hours of extra time on your hands. Cameron Mark McElvy wrote: I have 4 two ft dishes that where pulled down when the previous wisp went out of business. There are no markings on them and I need to determine frequency and polarity. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
Actually they did produce some 2.4GHz feeds but as far as I know they decided not to market them but Pac sourced their solid dishes from China and I know others that sold the same dish but the feeds many times where different and they brought out their own feed for the dish. So it might be same dish but branded different and sold with a 2.4GHz feed as I know there at least used to be others selling 2ft solid dishes with 2.4GHz feeds. But I know few that was interested in paying that much for a solid dish to use as a 2.4GHz backhaul or use a solid dish at a CPE. Most people if they used 2.4GHz for backhauling they where/are to cheap to use a solid dish or 5GHz radios so they all seem to go with cheap grid dishes or panels. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Assuming they're Pac (not sure how that was determined) You know they are 2.4 or 5Ghz Eje just said: If these are Pacific Wireless dishes then they are 5GHz assuming these are solid dishes since Pac never produced a 2.4GHz feedhorn for their solid dishes at least during the 6+ years we been one of their distributors. Obviously it's 5GHz! Polarity is normally done with an arrow sticker on the base of the feedhorn. Of course if it's been out in the weather it's long gone. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: BTW Mark, if you determine they are PacWireless antennas I'd just punt them on EBay and replace them with RadioWaves or Gabriel 2' antennas. In the long run you'll be a lot happier. Just my opinion... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Ok, just checking. Good cover...grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency The feedhorn specifically. Maybe the length will help you too. I know with higher gain the 5GHz grids are noticeably longer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Hmmm, pretty sure a 2' dish is a 2' dish regardless of frequency...or are you speaking of the diameter of the feed? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz dishes? Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I happen to know they are either 5.8 or 2.4 as this was the only equipment I have found of theirs, they left it all when they went out of business. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Got a spectrum analyzer and a frequency generator? Or a good network analyzer will do, but most people don't have one laying around. The feeds could literally be anything. You might be better off just calling the MFG of the dish and buying new feeds in the range you want unless you you have a few hours of extra time on your hands. Cameron Mark McElvy wrote: I have 4 two ft dishes that where pulled down when the previous wisp went out of business. There are
Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have
Time to start using the drycleaner ;) I always get one or more nice new multi-tool when I pick the drycleaning ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 11:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Ah... But go try and buy a metal coat hanger these days. Our old standby multi-tool is becoming extinct. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gary Garrett Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Its called a Coat Hanger. Mark McElvy wrote: Where do you get or call those 1ft long wires? Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 9:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have Travis, If you'll go through $200 per month in connectors these will save you at least $500 in labor. It takes less than half the time to make a connection and they are NEVER wrong. These and the Times LMR400 stripper have been some of the best tools I've ever purchased. Those and a 1' long wire that slips just inside a cat5 cable so that it can easily be pushed through a wall without getting hung up on the insulation etc. Laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gotta Have These do look great... and I would love to buy them for my installers... but $.50 per connector compared to what I pay now would cost me an extra $200 per month just in connectors. :( Travis Microserv Mike wrote: They DO sell shielded. Part PLT-100020-050 Look further down the list at: www.ezrj45.com At 11:13 AM 10/18/2009, you wrote: Yeah, those are awesome. I wish they had shielded connectors as well. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:01 AM Subject: [WISPA] Gotta Have I have learned a lot from this list. I think there is some real talent lurking here. We all have discovered certain things which just make life as a WISP easier. I think it would be beneficial to list participants in general if there was a thread which contained a description and use of something you find invaluable -- hardware, software etc ... you would like to share with the group. I'll start: what: EZRJ-45 connector system where: www.ezrj45.com why: As my eyes get older, and especially in low light situations, I find it very difficult to get all those individual conductors on a CAT5 run in the right order while crimping an end. This is a quite ingenious system. The plugs have holes all the way through. You can verify the color code easily BEFORE crimping and cutting the tags. It takes a special crimp tool which has a pair of blades that cut the tags as it crimps the connector in place. Maybe not a time saver in my case, but definitely a GRIEF saver. I've not miswired an Ethernet plug since I started using this system. Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Doom.. =) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 I'm ashamed to admit I don't know the name, but it looks VERY familiar to the old Wolfenstein with updated backgrounds. I can find out what the game is. It's pretty gory shoot 'em up commando stuff. At 10:54 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: I hate IPX. I really do. From what I know Left 4 Dead on the Xbox is using central hosting servers now. I believe the games with larger volume players such as Bad Company do this as well. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/5 David E. Smith d...@mvn.net: Mike Hammett wrote: I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted. These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from central (text-based MUDs, games on the old AOL and CompuServe) to distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS games) to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine, though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now, where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games). Back in my day, we had to run Fossil or IPX if we wanted multiplayer. None of this fancy schmancy IP connectivity! You kids today have it too good! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue
If I had a CMM. The odd thing is when I generate sync all customers associate but when I receive sync from the SyncPipe only a few associate. I found after lot of playing one channel that allowed 4 clients to associate to the AP when getting sync from timing port. But a SA test show this was actually the worst frequency with interference... (??) I didn't test every single frequency but out of the 8 or so I tested with generate sync all clients associate even on the frequency where only 1 or 2 clients would only associate when getting sync signal from timing port. Very perplexed. If it was that bad interference I would think that when generate sync I would have similar bad results as when I use the syncpipe. But when generate sync they associate but have occasionally drops and re-regs. When syncing only 1-4 out of all clients associate.. I would think if I was out of sync with other canopy AP's they would all associate but would have the re-reg problems. I verified the GPS coordinates and height and with the two different GPS units I used both showed same value as the GPS status page showed. Last night I tried set to sync from timing port and completely powercycled the AP and syncpipe but same result. I'm lost on things to try besides trying a different syncpipe and different serial cable. Except don't have another syncpipe nor CMM on hand right now (the syncpipe was our spare) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue When you are generating sync you are completely out of sync with the other canopy radios. If you are just slightly out of sync, then you can get some very strange results. And they should be repeatable. As for why it's different for the different freqs, that is probably caused by your competitors having different freqs near the different customers. As a quick test you could just plug them into a cmm. mc On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: But why wouldn't more than 2 clients associate to the AP? And it's always the same 2 depending on the frequency. For example on 2415 I have two clients one at a -57 signal if I change frequency this -57 client will not associate and I never see more then 2. My understanding with GPS sync is it's all the same just provide the beat to the canopy and it will then do it's transmissions based on distance, control slot and %. But even if it was sync issue where I'm not in sync with other canopies around me WHY would ALL clients associate to the AP when I use Generate Sync on the AP?? That is what I don't get. I would think that if it was a different phasing the clients would associate but have jitter issues and frequent re-reg. But the case is only 2 clients associate to the AP when getting sync from timing port and all will associate when the AP itself generate sync. If there was problem receiving sync signal from the SyncPipe I would think NO clients would associate and you wouldn't see that status info on the GPS status tab? / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue If you are not using a CMM, the sync source you are using may be providing sync at a different phase (timing) than the standard cmm. Marco On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: As some of you know we replaced a Canopy AP. The old one was GPS synced by a CMM but what I didn't know when we replaced the CMM sync port was gone (we share tower with another Canopy operator that gave us sync since we only had one unit up there and he didn't need the port). So instead of getting with the other WISP to find out how and when we could get sync again we installed a syncpipe parasitic (we didn't have any at the point ourselves when the other WISP told we could plug in to his CMM). Canopy unit gets GPS sync nicely and we see 10 out of 12 sats, coordinates looks right etc. But when we turn on the AP to use gps sync from timing port only 2 subs associate. If we change frequency a different 2 subs associate. If we change to another frequency yet another different set of 2 subs associate. Plus they take a good 20-30 before they associate. But no matter what I do only 2 will associate as long gps sync from timing port is set. If we set it to generate sync plop all subs come back almost immediately once the AP rebooted. We are running v9.4, on this 2.4Ghz non-advantage (all subs are also 9.4) AP (wish Moto would hurry up get us our upgrade). We are running same distance, control slots and % as the other 2 canopy operators in the area. . Any ideas to find
Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue
But why wouldn't more than 2 clients associate to the AP? And it's always the same 2 depending on the frequency. For example on 2415 I have two clients one at a -57 signal if I change frequency this -57 client will not associate and I never see more then 2. My understanding with GPS sync is it's all the same just provide the beat to the canopy and it will then do it's transmissions based on distance, control slot and %. But even if it was sync issue where I'm not in sync with other canopies around me WHY would ALL clients associate to the AP when I use Generate Sync on the AP?? That is what I don't get. I would think that if it was a different phasing the clients would associate but have jitter issues and frequent re-reg. But the case is only 2 clients associate to the AP when getting sync from timing port and all will associate when the AP itself generate sync. If there was problem receiving sync signal from the SyncPipe I would think NO clients would associate and you wouldn't see that status info on the GPS status tab? / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 11:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue If you are not using a CMM, the sync source you are using may be providing sync at a different phase (timing) than the standard cmm. Marco On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: As some of you know we replaced a Canopy AP. The old one was GPS synced by a CMM but what I didn't know when we replaced the CMM sync port was gone (we share tower with another Canopy operator that gave us sync since we only had one unit up there and he didn't need the port). So instead of getting with the other WISP to find out how and when we could get sync again we installed a syncpipe parasitic (we didn't have any at the point ourselves when the other WISP told we could plug in to his CMM). Canopy unit gets GPS sync nicely and we see 10 out of 12 sats, coordinates looks right etc. But when we turn on the AP to use gps sync from timing port only 2 subs associate. If we change frequency a different 2 subs associate. If we change to another frequency yet another different set of 2 subs associate. Plus they take a good 20-30 before they associate. But no matter what I do only 2 will associate as long gps sync from timing port is set. If we set it to generate sync plop all subs come back almost immediately once the AP rebooted. We are running v9.4, on this 2.4Ghz non-advantage (all subs are also 9.4) AP (wish Moto would hurry up get us our upgrade). We are running same distance, control slots and % as the other 2 canopy operators in the area. . Any ideas to find a solution that means I do not have to climb 180ft a third day in a row appreciated.. And no do not have a second sync pipe on hand it was our spare unit we installed. The other unit we got at the same time works very nicely on a 900Mhz AP on a different tower. / Eje WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Odd canopy sync issue
As some of you know we replaced a Canopy AP. The old one was GPS synced by a CMM but what I didn't know when we replaced the CMM sync port was gone (we share tower with another Canopy operator that gave us sync since we only had one unit up there and he didn't need the port). So instead of getting with the other WISP to find out how and when we could get sync again we installed a syncpipe parasitic (we didn't have any at the point ourselves when the other WISP told we could plug in to his CMM). Canopy unit gets GPS sync nicely and we see 10 out of 12 sats, coordinates looks right etc. But when we turn on the AP to use gps sync from timing port only 2 subs associate. If we change frequency a different 2 subs associate. If we change to another frequency yet another different set of 2 subs associate. Plus they take a good 20-30 before they associate. But no matter what I do only 2 will associate as long gps sync from timing port is set. If we set it to generate sync plop all subs come back almost immediately once the AP rebooted. We are running v9.4, on this 2.4Ghz non-advantage (all subs are also 9.4) AP (wish Moto would hurry up get us our upgrade). We are running same distance, control slots and % as the other 2 canopy operators in the area. . Any ideas to find a solution that means I do not have to climb 180ft a third day in a row appreciated.. And no do not have a second sync pipe on hand it was our spare unit we installed. The other unit we got at the same time works very nicely on a 900Mhz AP on a different tower. / Eje WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Organite defense
My wife says Yes with that sound and look a woman only can do when you ask a stupid question. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If a man says something in the woods and no woman is there to hear him, is he still wrong? :-) Thank You, Brian Webster Robert West wrote: Josh, you are wise beyond your years. Me, I'm just a masochist. I can't go a day without being slapped down. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If I were married I'm pretty sure I wouldn't make it to 30 before a series of heart attacks, strokes, aneurysms and many other serious internal health problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Being married is all politics. It's not cheating. Yes, I paid them 10 bucks. I just don't say how many times I pay the 10 bucks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense If you don't cheat you can't get caught... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I totally thought about doing just that! Pay them 50 bucks and tell the wife I paid them 10. That's the only way, my man. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Call up the local high school and see if a kid wants $50. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: You got it! I'll be taking a few anyhow. It will save us moneyblah, blah, blah.. She has a death wish on me, is all. I can take one down with one other person. Totally doable. But the requirements of the one other person should be someone who is taller than 5' 2, weigh more than 98 pounds and not complain how much their back hurts 6 days out of 7. Dead? Yep. I'll be wearing some dirt before it's over, maybe on purpose. As the saying goes, it's not the fall that kills you.. It's having your wife help you take down a 35 year old tower. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense I'd like to see a picture. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I hear ya, brother. I have one to take all the way down weekend after next, 35 years old though. The wife wants to help me. Do I need illustrate my pain any further? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Organite defense Shh! Don't say that! I have to work on a 40 year old 25G tower in a couple days. Remove top section, install additional 10', reinstall top section. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Robert West mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Then they need to pony up some more cash. Those NSA SOB's are tighter than a
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
The new RB411R do have a onboard wireless interface. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads does, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the wireless card. It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just like your PC. So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for the user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had these computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc builders were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are doing with the Mikrotik stuff. As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board wireless. I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your routerboards are required to be certified. If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices certified. === Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a computing device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and uses radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement in any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards for digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital devices. Class A digital device: A Class A digital device is a digital device that is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. Class B digital device: A Class B digital device is a digital device that is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general public. Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits than the Class A devices. === -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type of antenna. You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the outside that MT offers to only its distributors. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices That's been the ongoing argument. I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Excuse my
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
The Routerboards without built in radio cards are Part B certified devices (which is a self certification process with no filing with the FCC required). The manufacturer just need to have the documentation to provide in case of a FCC inquiry. If memory serves me right MikroTik used to have their test reports on their routerboard.com website before they changed the design a while back. A part B device that passes the line out mission testing is allowed to bear the FCC symbol on them. But that does not necessary mean that a part B device that does not bear the symbol does not pass but of course could mean that it has not been tested at all. A device that do have the symbol on it and has not been tested or does not pass is in violation and fines can be issued (additional fines that is for using the symbol on a non passing device, a device sold that does not pass means violation and fines as well). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf) Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B certified? Randy Mike Hammett wrote: An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads does, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the wireless card. It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just like your PC. So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for the user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had these computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc builders were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are doing with the Mikrotik stuff. As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board wireless. I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your routerboards are required to be certified. If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices certified. === Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a computing device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and uses radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement in any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards for digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital devices. Class A digital device: A Class A digital device is a digital device that is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. Class B digital device: A Class B digital device is a digital device that is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general public. Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits than the Class A devices. === -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
And the part 15 type B certification is a self certification process with no filing needed with the FCC and there for no FCC id number provided. Majority of the testing is line noise testing ie what possible signals the device might be outputting into the electrical grid. That is where the most stringent requirements are on a type B device. Your mixing up the type class B certification with full Part 15 certification testing. Yes the crossroads and the rb411r have full certification because they have transceivers that needs certified built on to the unit. But a regular class B device does not. Just take a look at any regular computer part with exception of a radio card or modem. You will find NO FCC id's on any of those devices but more than likely you will find a FCC logo on them to indicate that the testing been done and that the device passes and the manufacturer have the testing documentation in their own company files. Class A restrictions are lower than Class B restrictions because they are expected to be used/installed by professionals while a Class B device is installed by the less technical knowledged. Take a regular computer for example the parts and pieces are Class B certified yet you can use a computer in a business/commercial environment because a Class B device exceeds the Class A requirements. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the wireless card. It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just like your PC. So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for the user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had these computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc builders were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are doing with the Mikrotik stuff. As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board wireless. I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your routerboards are required to be certified. If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices certified. === Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a computing device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and uses radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement in any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards for digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital devices. Class A digital device: A Class A digital device is a digital device that is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. Class B digital device: A Class B digital device is a digital device that is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general public. Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits than the Class A devices. === -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and radio matters, as its
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
You found the RB411R unit which do have a onboard radio. The regular RB411 does not have a built on radio. The RB411R needs to be certified under part 15 as a transceiver and has been certified. The normal RB411 does not have a transceiver on them and been self tested as a Class B device and there for does not show up in the FCC id database because no filing of application is needed for a Class A or Class B device. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Are you sure? When I looked at the internal photos of what they had tested, on the FCC site, it looked like there was a pigtail from an N connector plugged onto the mother board. I saw a mini-pci connector too, but it appeared to be empty. I will look again- maybe my old eyes are playing tricks. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads does, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the wireless card. It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just like your PC. So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for the user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had these computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc builders were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are doing with the Mikrotik stuff. As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board wireless. I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your routerboards are required to be certified. If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices certified. === Digital device:§ 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a computing device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and uses radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement in any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards for digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital devices. Class A digital device: A Class A digital device is a digital device that is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. Class B digital device: A Class B digital device is a digital device that is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general public. Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits than the Class A devices. === -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices The way I understand it, the
Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices
Time to stop this thread since your just spreading FUD.. Read my other posts. All MikroTik products do have the appropriate FCC certification and/or testing done on them. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier of pre-cased RBs There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any FCC numbers at all. There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I did not remove the board and look underneath. As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know all the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about the certification. You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas of the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 9435native_or_pdf=pdf The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including all the warnings on page 11 https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 9433native_or_pdf=pdf Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for the same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different configurations. There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being used as a test fixture but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is still responsible for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates this module. So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* responsibility to the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much immune to citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like Dennis probably operates this way. It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or Ligowave) becomes certified too. I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it yourself instructions showing exactly how to build the unit so it is just like the one they had certified, right down to the internal pigtail. I can't locate my StarOS equipment to see what they did, but something is telling me that they have the proper stickers too. I'd have to check, or maybe Lonnie can address the issue. It would really be nice to draw together a list of just which equipment was and was not. Some folks would care I think. Of course from what I have read and seen over the years, many of you do not care whether or not you are operating legally. I'm not trying to start anything- just stating the facts as I see 'em. Ralph -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf) Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B certified? Randy Mike Hammett wrote: An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads does, however. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the wireless card. It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just like your PC. So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for the user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had these computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc builders were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are doing with the Mikrotik stuff. As far
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
We are a distributor/reseller we started out as a ISP turned WISP and still run our networks. We deploy what we sell and our techs have firsthand knowledge with the equipment and work closely with the manufacturers we represent to improve the products to work the best way. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Valenti Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) This is one of the reasons I like StarOS so much. The developers also run a WISP in their ski town (about 300 customers a few years ago, I think) Much more believable when they said do it this way and it works, I could trust them. Are there other wireless companies that do this? On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MUM passes
My apologies for this e-mail which might seem like a somewhat advertisement but I would hope it is more taken as a service offering. If your planning on attending MUM and have not yet registered I do have some free passes for MUM left over. So if you could use a pass get with me or call us and ask for a pass (877-947-7787). If you already registered then sorry you cannot drop your registration and use a free pass to reregister. / Eje Gustafsson CTO WISP-Router, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Careful with those. You tighten up to hard or you attach to an old chimney and you might find yourself with a big mason bill and maybe even a carpenter bill as well. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 3:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions This is a weird looking animal! A chimney mount for a dish with 5 straps. http://www.ronard.com/4424.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions http://www.ronard.com/730731.html A bit more expensive / sturdy / configurable... Probably overkill. Ronard makes really good stuff. Robert West wrote: [IMG]http://i28.tinypic.com/fnsxl.jpg[/IMG] Another crude rendering. The bottom is where he mounts the pipe to the side of the house. Then it goes up and the bend allows it to go out and up over the eave and then back into over the roof. If the bend is too far out, they swing the assembly in towards the eave and mount to that as well. He said he has the muffler shop bend it just like regular muffler pipe, the alloy is similar as in it's pretty soft and easy to bend. So it does a 90 degree, then up and a 90 degree back and up again. Looked darned simple and he buys the EMT for 13 bucks and pays the muffler guy something like 20 bucks to do 10 or 20 of them. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I think the bottom horizontal line is the base of the standard powmount - but the top horizontal line is where I am confused. You said the muffler shop bends it, does it make a shift like a traditional muffler? 90 turn? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: No, it's like this crude ASCII rendering. He puts a U clamp on the bottom and on the eave. I I I I I I I --I I I I --- I I I I -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Robert, Your competitor's U shaped EMT - does it look like my painting? http://i27.tinypic.com/30woz1k.jpg Note - IANAA (I am not an artist) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My competitor here uses 1.25 EMT conduit from Home Depot, 13 bucks for a 10' section. He takes them to the local muffler shop and has them bend them with a block U shape so that he can mount them to the side of the house under the peak and the bend allows him to swing the mount to the eave as well for stability. For additional height he inserts the next smaller size of EMT 1 to 2 feet inside the 1.25 and puts a couple of 1/4 bolts to attach them together. He can add another 8 or 9 feet this way. BUT, EMT is a soft allow, it's made to bend easily so I certainly wouldn't want to trust it with anything with a large wind load very high up. I haven't tried it but he says it works perfect for him and his guys install a lot faster now. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions As we get into more and more installs, we are discovering installations where we just need a little more height, 5-10 ft. or so. Currently the majority of our installs are roof mount via a dish type screw in mount, or antenna tower mount. I'm looking for suggestions on additional mounting options, specifically we would like to be able to extend off the roof another 5-20ft if possible with some sort of simple/economical extension that will remain stable into the future. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First
Never climb alone. Even if you do 100% tie off. A slip and fall and you could hit your head and be hanging upside down. If you use right equipment you are not going to slip out of your harness BUT Hanging upside down for any longer period of time is fatal. Always have someone on the ground even if they cannot climb but at least if something happens they can call emergency responds services. Also you MIGHT want to check with local services to see IF they have people trained on altitude/tower rescue and if they do not push them to get a couple of guys trained there or make sure when you climb that your ground partner has climbing equipment and appropriate rescue training (Comtrain comes to mind) to get you level at the very least. As you say this job is not worth your life. Climb safe. Use good safety equipment and always be 100% tied off... / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik - now Safety First I have to agree here, I've done more tower climbs alone than I should. Every time I do I'm filled with the feeling that if I fall no one will know until someone comes looking at my remote tower site the next day or so. We all look at OSHA sometimes and think of them as more revenue officers than safety officers. Coming from the Fire Service I think of the countless lives of Firefighters that were saved once OSHA found us. Sure they seem overly picky and arbitrary but when I hang from my bucket truck without a harness or climb a tower alone I can't help but think they were written after so many people lost their lives. This job isn't worth my life. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik You should have someone with you on site when you climb towers. Even if you are self employed and not subject to OSHA rules, it's still a good idea. Most of the tower deaths or falls I read about very likely could have been prevented or lessened with even very modest safety guidelines. Futhermore, if you become some statistic used to calculate insurance rates as a result of unsafe climbing, it will tend make all of our workers comp insurance costs increase collectively. That person on the ground should have a laptop to do the configuring/testing. They can also keep others away from the tower to protect them from falling tools, read off signals while aligning antennas, answer your phone calls, destroy wasp nests, and all the other things you don't want to do. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:42:35AM -0500, Data Technology wrote: Yes I know it is easy to just sit down and configure the card but, I do the tower climbing myself and with even a small 40-60 ft tower, by the time you get down, get the gear off and get to a computer the adrenalin is flowing and you may tend to make a mistake. And after a 160 ft tower you (me) are more tired and you can overlook something that you would normally catch in an instance. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways. LaRoy Scott Carullo wrote: It takes less than one minute to configure an interface? Just because you put a like card in there doesn't mean ROS should assume its the same freq, same power output etc. I think its actually better it lets you set it up instead of assuming a like replacement. My 2 cents Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Data Technology w...@dtisp.com Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Changing cards in Mikrotik As much as I Love Mikrotik, I HATE the fact that you have to reconfigure when you change out a card. I don't see why Mikrotik did not design it to work like StarOS. I have 1 StarOS AP still running and I had to change out a CM9 that went out. This AP has not been touched in probably 4 years. I just took out the old card, put in the new one and the users were passing traffic before I could close the lid. This was one of the few good things I liked about StarOS. Ok, just feels good to rant and rave every now and then. LaRoy McCann Data Technology www.dtisp.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Engenius EAP-3660
The EAP-3660 is not EOL'd at least they have not let us know and we generally are the first one to know as soon as they make their decision. I played and used the EAP-3660 and it's a pretty nifty cool product. Only run it for a few months so far so good no issues what so ever. The firmware can be reflashed with open-wrt. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 3:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Engenius EAP-3660 If you aren't using them already I can only suggest one thing. Ruuun! My experience hasn't been very good (though I will admit not horrible) with the Engenius data products. They do not last long at all (weeks/months - really lucky to get years) outdoors and the indoors do not seem to be comparable in lifetime to a WAP11. Pretty good on coverage, but I wouldn't say anything much better/worse then MT or WAP11. The thing that really broke the camel's back was the incompatibility between the Intel 3945 and new one (that does N, 3946 maybe?) and the indoor ones. The firmware fixed it, however, said firmware was not available then nor was it the last I checked. In fact I believe the product is EOL. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Doug Ratcliffe do...@dwwfl.com wrote: Has anyone used the Engenius EAP-3660 (600mW / 4dbi Smoke Detector style AP) in a hotel/motel environment? Any word on coverage, etc? Will they run open-mesh? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
This is true with a lot of the RouterBoards that you do not have enough onboard power source capability to run generally more than two high powered cards. For example the 400's can only handle about 10watt of external cards that means the third XR card will kill the system. One thing to keep in mind that the none AH boards in the 400 series is not ideal for heavy AP usage. They are more of a CPE board or light duty AP. You want heavy duty AP then need to look at AH boards only or the RB600 or RB333. In either way also keep in mind that using ANY high powered card might not only overload the onboard power system of the RouterBoard but since the card are so close by and inside the same case you will more than likely run into self interference issues from the radio chain inside the card even when the cards are not set to transmit on the same frequency. In our experience using low powered cards in the same unit generally is not a issue and works fine but once you try to put more than 2 high powered card on the same board (even the RB600) self interference quickly becomes an issue. Separate the radio cards out between different units. Just because you can run multiple radios in the same unit doesn't mean that is always a good idea. In some cases we have managed to get self interfering system work fine by using a alu foil shield between the radios (regular household alu foil put inside a sheet protector slid in between the cards to create compartments inside the case have been able to stabilize the system to a point of good operation. Most of the case of course after this been done it was decided to separate the cards out to separate units to optimize and not have to worry about any future service issues. So to sum things up. Don't run more than 2 high powered card on the same board. Use maximum separation between the cards if you decide to use 2 high powered cards. Avoid using 2 high powered cards in the same frequency band on the same board. It's GOOD in my opinion that you cannot fit more than 2 high powered cards (at least of most models) in the 433/333 boards because else more people would do this with BAD results. Just because your trailer got a tow hook don't mean your truck is powerful enough to pull two fully loaded trailer... BTW guys. MikroTik is spelled with 2 K's.. No C in there... On the same coin Ubiquiti is spelled with 3 I's an NO Y. When you use the products you would think you learned how to spell their names ;) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:17 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik This is reality with the XR's. When I went to a 600a using a daughterboard for an AP, I mentioned I was using XR cards when I was talking to Mikrotik and they told me that the board would not be able to power all the ports if they were populated with XR cards. They draw too much power. I'm using a 48v on that one with 6 cards and I would guess the same type of issue would be with the 433AH and 411a. We use 19v on our 411s. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik Forbes, I had this same issue with 411a. I was running 3- 411a boards with 12v they worked great for about a week then all the sudden the clients started all dropping off and back on. Then it started locking up ever night I got to the point that I made it part of my early morning coffee to drive the 15 miles and reboot every day. After 2 weeks of messing we realized that the units were struggling for power. We went to a 24V POE and that same tower has now been up with 40 clients for 165 days. The XR series really tasks the boards. That is what fixed it for me. I think those XR boards really eat the power. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 2:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As
Re: [WISPA] FCC Launches Formal Probe of Wireless Industry
Ran across this article.. Thought it was a bit humorous.. http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Government-IT/What-Is-Broadband-FCC-Doesnt-Know-241 331/ This should be something where I think WISPA should try to influence and educate about fixed wireless. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:39 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List; WISPA's FCC Committee Subject: [WISPA] FCC Launches Formal Probe of Wireless Industry Interesting article. http://www.wirelessweek.com/article.aspx?id=171860 Perhaps we can use this opportunity to help the FCC and the public understand that: 1. Fixed wireless serves a different market than mobile (cellular) wireless. 2. Fixed wireless needs more spectrum (including TV White Space) and practical regulations to allow WISPs to provide broadband FIXED wireless Internet access effectively and profitably. jack -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Twitter - wireless_jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
The initial requestor wouldn't be able to use a data logger. He needed to know the coordinates now but all he needed really to know is coordinates and height so a simple GPS that display just that would suffice. My suggestion would be the Beacon GPS Tracking unit as an example that can be had for about $85 at SAMs club. http://winplususa.com/beacon-gps.html Or can of course be ordered online from numerous sources. Cheapest brand new unit seems to be from Y2incusa ($64.99) http://www.y2incusa.com/beacongpstrackingsystem.aspx Shipping seems reasonable from them as well (not great, but not gauging you to death either). / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? I love my Garmin Vista HCx. If all you want is data logging, there's some very tough and inexpensive data loggers out there which are very durable because they're much simpler, no LCD display and few buttons. Greg On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:53 PM, Robert West wrote: I'm finally getting rid of my Delorme Earthmate GPS unit. It has served me well these past 10 years. I will certainly miss having to boot up my laptop, plug the thing into the serial port of my OLD laptop because the newer ones do not have the serial port and to use that USB to serial adapter is more fun that I could handle Then hope and pray that the batteries in the Earthmate are still good for I always forget to check before I go out But with that said, I need a replacement. I've been looking at some small Garmin all weather units but they seem to stress geo-caching and hiking. If I had time for that, it may get my attention, but I own a small business that I started because I needed to be more flexible with my time. Working 80 hours+ a week is about as flexible as it gets so no, I do not have time for that sort of crazy, high on life sort of living. I simply need a GPS that I won't break (or be too badly damaged) when I drop it off a 70 foot AP (it will happen, trust me), that will not be ruined when I forget it on the top of the same AP and go home and it just happens to rain overnight, can be recharged in the van and will give me the two pieces of information I really desire. My location coordinates and how high I am. Someone else can mess with all those other functions, I'd have to give it to my 4 year old to figure that stuff out anyhow, I just need to know where and how high. Anyone have a good recommendation on a handheld GPS unit? (I guess I could have just said one line but it's not as fun) Thanks in advance. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings
No not really because the broadband router they would use only need 1 IP then it runs dhcp server on the inside and your AP/hotspot controller cannot see what is on the inside of the customers network you only see the on IP and it's single MAC address. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of richard sterne Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Could you not set the CPE to DHCP and the IP pool to allow only 1 IP address? Richard 2009/8/21 Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com Not seen a single solution that can do that. That is the functionality of NAT to hide what is behind it. I take advantage of it all the time when I'm staying in hotels. Use my own AP that allows my wifi enabled devices access and connect to the hotels system and I'm paying a single fee for the hotel that charges for internet. Only way to fight it in a MTU type environment or even with residential is educate the users and strike some fear into them that if they run open APs they could get in trouble if the others that piggy back on it does illegal things such as copyrighted filesharing, illegal p0rn or simply are virus infected and they this way risk getting infected and have their own computers compromised and become BOT slaves. Plus also let them know that they are paying for specific service speeds and if they let others use it a lot for free then themselves no longer have the speed for themselves and also possible point to the bit cap portion of the user agreement letting them know that their account could possibly be shut down prematurely because someone else is using up all their allow bit count. Some students will not care and there might be two apartment that even share the cost of the service and then you cannot do much about it besides maybe limit per connections etc to choke them out. What we do at one location (granted all pre-wired) is that the landlord is paying a small fee each month but then we provide free internet to the tenants just fast enough to work for a individual doing normal web browsing but then we also provide upgrade service on a for pay basis. The people that pay tend to be greedy and want it all to themselves ;) /Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:56 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings Mikrotik Hotspot does NOT have the capability of catching people behind NAT. Example: Joe buys a WRT54g. WRT54g bridges to the paid wireless network. Joe buys and account via laptop plugged into WRT54g. Joe plus in an AP behind the router and broadcasts ESSID Free Internet. People mooch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.comwrote: Mikrotik Hotspot between them and the internet Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Joe Laura joela...@superior1.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apartment Buildings I had a nightmare trying to do apartment complexes. I thought I touched on a goldmine when all the signups started comming in. Then as tennants started firing up their own A/P's others would connect to them and cancel service. How are youll dealing with this? Joe Laura WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School
I would think OpenDNS could serve different info based on source address. I never used OpenDNS but understand it's pretty powerful and flexible. With BIND which I used for many many years you can setup different service rules based on source address. This way you can for example prevent pollution of your domain in public with private ip addresses or even allow a private address to be returned to your internal network and provide a public ip to the rest of the internet. There is no limit as far as I know to setup other zones. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 5:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School I haven't used untangle. I think one way to do this is to redirect to the proper server based on customer IP, etc. Thinking Mikrotik, because that is what I use, redirecting all of a customer's DNS request to the proper internal server would be an easy firewall rule. The internal server, which could be a really small box doing DNS caching only, would have an address that OpenDNS knows and therefore OpenDNS would return the proper thing for that customer. Only problem I see with this right now is the need for one server per filtering setup. It does eliminate the need for all customers to have public addresses. Only the internal servers need that. Makes changing a customers rule set as easy as changing the redirect. Jason Hensley wrote: Kinda what I was thinking was that if they wanted to utilize the filtering then we would assign them DNS servers specific for OpenDNS, otherwise, they would get normal service. This could easily be done at the CPE / Authentication level with PPPoE. Now, the issue would be like Josh mentioned, if they had manual DNS servers configured in their computer. We would definitely have to intercept that traffic and redirect all DNS queries to the OpenDNS servers. Just a thought. I have, in the past, had clients request this service. Been awhile but thought that could be one more value-add that we could have in the box to help bring a little more revenue in. Anyone used Untangle in an app like this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Israel Lopez-LISTS Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Client Internet Filtering Upgrade - WAS: Content Filter Suggestion for School FYI.. Not every site will want to have the same filter settings. Since you can define multiple networks in OpenDNS, the IP will have to originate from that network to get a specific set of content-filtering. If the request originates from the local DNS server, then you've just inadvertently applied those settings to everyone who might query that DNS server. So you would have to force these 'filtered' networks to only request DNS from OpenDNS servers, and make sure each client has a public IP. -IL Josh Luthman wrote: I just thought about how to get around this and I wanted to share my thoughts. If a location needs this filtering and you use opendns you'll want to drop all forwarded DNS traffic. Force everyone to use an internal DNS server which in turn looks up via OpenDNS. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: On this same subject, anyone offering upgrades for filtered Internet service to their clients? Anyone using OpenDNS to do this? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:29 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School OpenDNS is approved for this...best thing is it is free. Cameron Scott Carullo wrote: I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School
Got to love it another product with no price on the website.. Looks cool though but I hate having to deal with push sales people just to find a price and then have them call and spam me day in and day out for years to come. So do you know what the product costs? / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School I can recommend the 8e6 devices (http://www.marshal8e6.com). The thing I really like about it is the way you can put it in listen mode instead of inline and still get great security. It watches on a mirrored port, and will intercept bad requests and hijack the reply with a block page redirect. We've used their solutions for over 10 years (since they were called XStop), no complaints at all. http://www.marshal8e6.com/solutions/web_security/8e6-r3000-internet-filter.a sp Goes way beyond web blocking as well. Jason Hensley wrote: Sonicwall has some outstanding products as far as an all-in-one appliance for firewall, content filtering, spam, virus, etc etc. I have one in place for a school and our local library. Make sure you get one with enough horse-power. A small school may work fine with a TZ-200 or TZ-190, but you get very large, and you will quickly end up needing more than that. Be glad to quote you out one if you needed. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:35 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Content Filter Suggestion for School I need a web content filter for K-12 school. Paid Subscription ok. Please let me know what good products there are for this requirement. Need asap. Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Badly need 2 Bullet5M's
If you didn't find them and still need they are now in stock. / Eje WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Badly need 2 Bullet5M's I would have still badly needed them. : - ) Greg On Aug 8, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: You badly need two radios that aren't even on the market yet? What would you have done 30 days ago? Travis Microserv os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I badly need two Bullet5M's. If anyone has two to sell or knows who has them to ship Monday please hit me off list. Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect
Yepp bit expected. Because a web page consists of multiple images most of the time and if you use every nth you never know if that rule will then hit a icon, text page or picture file that is retrieved. You could setup something that uses the hotspot service and the advertisement banners. Or I created a solution with Gatespot that when the user login to the hotspot will redirect them to a messaging system that will display any messages to the user if there are any and if there isn't then the user will get their original requested webpage just like normal. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect What I am attempting to do is setup a script to put on the client routerboard when there account becomes 30+ days behind. This script will occasionally redirect the clients web browser to a notice page that lets them know there account is past due and offer a payment page. If they refresh they should be able to continue browsing. This is intended to be multipurpose, informative to the user in case they forgot to pay, offer a quick way to get caught up and be a tad annoying until paid. I tried this experiment on my home connection: 0 X chain=dstnat action=dst-nat to-addresses=1.2.3.4 to-ports=80 protocol=tcp src-address=0.0.0.0/0 dst-address=!1.2.3.4 dst-port=80 nth=5,1 Really did not work as planned. Occasionally I would get the page at the 1.2.3.4 server but most of the time I would get broken links and partially displayed pages? John Buwa Michiana Wireless WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Badly need 2 Bullet5M's
We have 200 each on the way to us. Was supposed to been picked up by our freight forwarder in Taiwan this week so hopefully we should have them early next week. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Badly need 2 Bullet5M's I wanted two of these as well a couple of weeks ago until I found I can do the same with mikrotik hardware just released (speed wise) You could pick that up on Monday. What is it you are looking for in particular? Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x102 On Aug 8, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Hey, I just saw that Streakwave announced that they had a Limited Quantity of the 2M HP and 5M HPs on August 3rd. You can bet they are all OUTTA HERE! Well, they're out there, look for them on Ebay soon with a really jacked up price. Wasn't there supposed to be some Ubiquiti announcement this weekend concerning the new Bullets? I was looking on their site, no mention except that the AirOS 3.4 SKD for the bullet was released yesterday. Dunno. But I guess I'll be a'waitn' for one for quite a spell, as granddad would say. Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Badly need 2 Bullet5M's You badly need two radios that aren't even on the market yet? What would you have done 30 days ago? Travis Microserv os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I badly need two Bullet5M's. If anyone has two to sell or knows who has them to ship Monday please hit me off list. Thanks! Greg --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes
Sounds like your ground potential between tower ground and electrical ground might is not optimal. Make sure that the tower ground is also correctly and properly grounded to the electrical ground. Seems your electronic might be shunt between the two grounds so each time tower get a hit your equipment gets fried. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Direct Lightning Strikes Whats the majority think the equipment damage from lightning comes from...electric surge or coupling on the Ethernet? Will running on battery or solar lessen your chances of equipment damage that much more that it is worth the cost? I am in the same boat as these guys and have one location hit 5 times in the last two years that caused major damage(talking SMOKED AP's), more than that if you just include power supplies and switches. I was thinking of grounding the crap out of this location, but it looks like David did that and it did not help much. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: David Hulsebus cont...@portative.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:09:58 -0400 I looked at a Transtector unit a few weeks ago. It's an isolation transformer that sits outdoors between the entrance panel and our internal electrical system. It was roughly $1K for the unit. Kind of wish I would have bought it now. We are the end of the line on the power grid and have 1-3 days of outages multiple times a year, that's the real reason for the battery solution; that and we are tired of generators. Your right though. Most cell and radio towers I visit have just that, an isolation transformer at the entrance panel. Thanks, Dave cc...@dot11net.com wrote: Since it sounds like this came in on the AC, how about a surge protector on incoming AC line? We've had sites where the power company's grounding is so bad we've lost power supply surge protectors in just about every storm that comes through the area...until we put surge protection at the breaker box. Now all is good. Cameron Don't feel too left Chuck out we lost a tower site in the same storm. Second time in seven years a total loss. Both times we've lost our gear it has come via the electrical side. Our tower gets hit by a strike or two almost every storm and we never have issues. This time it literaly blew the entrance panel off the side of the building and outlets off the walls of the building. Cracked one of the APC batterty units, every ethernet surge suppressor and every grounded POE injectors were blown apart. Interesting that our four coax arrestors were okay, but the gear was cooked. Most of the cat5 ends included. Had spare gear on the tower plugged in at the radios but dangling in the building, we fired it up and were in operation within a few minutes. Took another 16 hours to get all of the damage cleaned up. We have on that site forty-five 3/4 ground rods in two concentric circles around the tower and building none more than eight feet apart; all interconnected with #2 bare stranded wire and cad welded. Inside the building - a halo ring and 3 1/2 copper strapping, the list goes on and on for what we have done to minimize issues. We spent nearly 5K on grounding and still lost it all. We are moving to total battery power next week. I am looking for something I can use to isolate a smart charger from the power company when we see storms in the area, I expect we will have enough battery for a minimum 3 days runtime. Some type of relay that we can control remotely I would guess. If it makes you feel any better Verizon Wireless took total loses on four towers between Cincinnati and Louisville Tuesday as well. Dave Hulsebus Portative Technologies, LLC Chuck Hogg wrote: Has anyone been able to withstand a direct lightning strike? We had a tower get hit last night, and some of our equipment lost Ethernet ports (RB/433AH), and we lost 3 canopy APs, but that is all (considering what is all up there only 2/3rds was blown). Our Trango AP survived and a RB/433AH survived. Even Nextel had their guys out there, but they just had to reset alarms it appears as nothing was fried on their end. I wish I had to just reset alarms. So tell me, what do you do ? I'm tired of dumping a few grand during big lightning storms. I do the basics, Ethernet surge suppression up top and on the bottom, Polyphasers, ground out to the ground bars, ground out the cat5 cable, and no omni's. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik
It's a alu shield on it solder it to the connector or strip of some of the plastic and put a nice clamp with a ground wire to electrical ground. On one tower install that is what we did used coax 400 size ground kits. Shielded connectors as well. Not lost a single Ethernet port there for h 5 years. Kansas is up there in statistics of lightning strikes each year but nothing like Florida. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Defective Microtik So the superior essex cabling with no drain wire is no good? On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: The shield does just that - shield, i.e. from interference. The drain wire does just that - drains errant static buildup, etc. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Mmm so the recommended cable for PTP600, the superior essex bbdge or something, doesn't have this wire but is shielded. What's the purpose of the drain wire if the shielding and connectors are what's grounding? On 8/3/09, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Yes, but in most shielded cable we get, the drain wire is just a bare, silver wire inside the cover like that one. If you aren't grounding that, you aren't really doing anything but wasting money on cable... :( Travis Josh Luthman wrote: *Face plant* Never heard of those before... I'm assuming the black wire in this picture is the drain wire? It doesn't drain water, but is conductive - is this right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FTP_cable3.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Uhm, if you use shielded cable, you must use shielded connectors. Using unshielded connectors, with shielded cable, is like having a 100' long lightning/static pickup cable that will drain right into your board. Shielded connectors, shielded cable, drain wire soldered on, into a good grounded POE injector == no problems for many years On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: You lost me - drain wire? Soldered onto a plastic rj45? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:27 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: We also solder the drain wire from the cable onto the RJ45 connector after we crimp it on. Key is to ensure you have a good ground from A to Z. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I am using shielded cable and Pac POEs andd lost all 3 APs here a few weeks ago. On 8/3/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Try using shielded cable, and you won't have a problem. We're installed thousands in Colorado (second worst lightning in the country, next to Florida) and everytime we install without shielded cable-it's junk after a storm. We use shielded cable on ALL installs-customer installs as well. And the good grounded PacWireless POE injectors. With thousands in service, it's rare we get a lightning related service call. We justify the extra couple dollars in cable by saving the cost of truck rolls, replacement equipment, and unhappy customers. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Every 133 I used had a problem. Be it software, hardware, DOA, lightning, whatever. Out of dozens out there none survived and were replaced, necessarily, by a newer board. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Nothing that I have seen. Sure they were not repackaged by your vendor? And/or like I suggested overclocked. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Defective Microtik Is anybody having problems with R433AH's Microtik cards
Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9
If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not cheap. http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe measurement of DC voltage. One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line with your Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti device) and either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software. In full TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not in their datasheet just the 4watt number. Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very cheap price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their MiniStation but then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then a credit card. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has my name written all over it :-) It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5, industrial warehouse style, strip mall style roof installs While on topic...Anyone know. Does that power charger/inverter unit still pass line power to equipment if the battery goes bad? (inline or standby?). Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, if a breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates an outage, if you don;t know power was cut. One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for $40, and plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that device to tell when power is down. Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and may draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of teh Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or something, to help with that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Someone sells those on this list... http://www.wlanparts.com/product/TP-UPS-DC-12-9/UPS_Pro__Outdoor_UPS_with_Di e_Cast_Enclosure_12V_9AH.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote: Ryan, I agree completely, and sympathise for the situation. But does your customer know that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter? Ohh agreed, redundant upstream is a must. However when a DS3 costs over 10 grand a month to get out of this area to a NON-Qwest system ( not including bandwidth ), for true redundancy it makes it not feasible. We are trying to engineer a wireless backhaul out, but its taking some time to do so. Its funny folks in the extreme rural areas, seem to think that we WISP's and ISP's should have the same access to bandwidth and pricing as Metro guys do. Yet, my cost per meg plus transport is about 280.00 per meg total, however even in a city like Greeley, Colorado, you can get bandwidth plus transport for around 50.00 a meg or less. Its the burden of being a rural isp. Ohh and the customer still wants 20 meg down 5 meg up for 20 bucks a month, and it damn well better work 24/7 or its the end of the world lol Ryan On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Technically, yes, this was your fault. The customer is paying YOU for service... not qwest. If you can't provide the service (regardless of the reason), then it's your fault. In our regional area, the ABC affiliate stopped selling to DISH Network last year over the contract price. So if you had DISH (which I did), you could no longer get ABC at all. This went on for over 6 months. Do you think everyone was mad at ABC or DISH? DISH is the
Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9
Guess that would work to. Have a cheapo 5 port switch plugged into AC that is feeding the UPS and turn on the Ethernet running check on the MTs secondary Ethernet port. If the link fails the running status on the interface will change from running to down and a script could trigger on it. The assumption here is that you have nothing your communicating to over the Ethernet ports that are not ran by UPS or don't even use the Ethernet port at all for anything else but Power on the RB (assuming again we use a RB). If the Ethernet is being used and plugs in to devices you could setup so you have the cheapie 5 port switch plugged in to AC with no UPS and ether2/3 on the RB plugs in to switch and another Ethernet device with an assigned ip in same subnet as ether2/3 plugged in to the same switch. So only way the two devices can talk is as long the switch is up and running. If the switch goes down the netwatch created script will fire of an e-mail or your network monitor program alerts on the lack of communication over the purpose built link. In either setup this requires a piece of throwaway equipment that is designed to go down when AC power fails. This device could in all reality be just about anything Ethernet based with or without an ip assigned to it. If the device does not have the capability to assign an ip to it then the UPS powered unit have to be bit smarter and be able to detect the lack of Ethernet link and react to it. If it has the capability to have an ip assigned to it then your NMS could react when it can no longer ping this device and the equipment powered by the UPS doesn't matter how smart or dumb it is. / Eje CTO WISP-Router, Inc. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TP--UPS-DC-12-9 Why not use a board with a spare Ethernet port (i.e. a 433 or whatever), and wire one port as a loopback through a relay. The relay could be tied to AC, so the Ethernet link would drop if AC went off. If could be tied to the voltage of a DC supply, so you'd know when the DC voltage was high/low. Just ping the IP of the interface you're running it off of. This way, you can use standard monitoring applications to detect power. It's very simple to do, and costs less than $10. Jayson On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com wrote: If battery is removed, the power to the radio shuts off. The controller is powered by the battery. There isn't at this time have a way to monitor the battery voltage. They're (Tycon Power) working on it but no telling when they might come up with a solution. I seen some pretty cool devices at ipenabled.com but they are not cheap. http://www.ipenabled.com/sp2.html http://www.ipenabled.com/dcv.html Don't see or know of any way in MT to have some sort of probe measurement of DC voltage. One solution which probably is the cheapest one and goes in line with your Linksys unit would be to bastardize a Bullet2 (the $39 Ubiquiti device) and either use it with the standard AirOS or load on your own software. In full TX mode it uses 4watt and I would guess no more than 1watt if the transmitter is disabled unfortunately the exact load levels are not in their datasheet just the 4watt number. Form factor vise it's as small you're going to get and at a very cheap price. Alternative of course for size would be to use their MiniStation but then you're talking $79 instead and slightly smaller footprint then a credit card. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 7:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or isitgettingbetter? Yeah, I saw that post the other day. That outdoor UPS enclosure has my name written all over it :-) It should be great for those one radio serves all suites via CAT5, industrial warehouse style, strip mall style roof installs While on topic...Anyone know. Does that power charger/inverter unit still pass line power to equipment if the battery goes bad? (inline or standby?). Any good ideas on how to tell when the power goes out? For example, if a breaker pops, 24 hours later the battery runs dead and still creates an outage, if you don;t know power was cut. One suggestion made was setup a second cheapo linksys router for $40, and plug that in NOT on the batterty, and then remote monitor that device to tell when power is down. Although, with that unit, it might be hard to fit into the case, and may draw unnecessary current. Any ideas on how to handle that? Do any of teh Mikroik SBCs have i/o slots that can measure results of a relay or something, to help with that? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message
