Re: [WISPA] Tower Easements

[Ralph via Wireless]

I also got a road easement to the spot alongside his fence for $ 0

 

From:  on behalf of Ralph via Wireless 

Reply-To: Ralph , WISPA General List 
Date: Monday, May 13, 2019 at 4:20 PM
To: Charles Bender , WISPA General List 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Easements

 

I paid 5k for a deeded sale for a 30x50 foot spot

 

From:  on behalf of Charles Bender via Wireless 

Reply-To: Charles Bender , WISPA General List 

Date: Monday, May 13, 2019 at 4:01 PM
To: 
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Easements

 

 

Hey all,

I am meeting with a property owner that I have been renting space on for 
several years. He is selling his property so is offering to sell an easement 
for our tower (Sub 50ft). 

 

I am looking for experience shares on determining valuation, any agreements 
people have used  and any gotchas I need to look out for. If you have a minute 
to share here or privately I could sure use the help.

 

Thank you,

 

Charles Bender, CEO

Skynet Broadband  ~ Xpert PC Plus
1502 Cole Street, Enumclaw, WA 98022
(360) 802-6657 Fax (888) 522-7409

 

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Easements

[Ralph via Wireless]

I paid 5k for a deeded sale for a 30x50 foot spot

 

From:  on behalf of Charles Bender via Wireless 

Reply-To: Charles Bender , WISPA General List 

Date: Monday, May 13, 2019 at 4:01 PM
To: 
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Easements

 

 

Hey all,

I am meeting with a property owner that I have been renting space on for 
several years. He is selling his property so is offering to sell an easement 
for our tower (Sub 50ft). 

 

I am looking for experience shares on determining valuation, any agreements 
people have used  and any gotchas I need to look out for. If you have a minute 
to share here or privately I could sure use the help.

 

Thank you,

 

Charles Bender, CEO

Skynet Broadband  ~ Xpert PC Plus
1502 Cole Street, Enumclaw, WA 98022
(360) 802-6657 Fax (888) 522-7409

 

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Re: [WISPA] Jay Fuller

[ralph]

Sorry Jay- Didn’t see this.

We didn’t have much, most of it went South. However I was hearing about large 
hail down around Newnan and Peachtree City.

 

My Son told in Auburn me about Alabama having complete lots full of cars with 
both windshields shattered with embedded softball sized hail and all the rest 
of the windows broken. Just car after car after car.

 

Ralph

Brightlan.net

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 12:12 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Jay Fuller

 

 

Cullman mostly took hail damage.  SERIOUS hail damage.  Some company vehicles 
in bad shape.

Lots of our business districts are closed with roof damage and word is unable 
to reopen.

Additionally several car lots have millions in damaged inventory.

 

How are ya'll coping in west GA?

Not much power problems or infrastructure problems really.  Network is fine...

 

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From: ralph <mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org>  

To: 'WISPA General List' <mailto:wireless@wispa.org>  

Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 11:03 PM

Subject: [WISPA] Jay Fuller

 

Saw a tornado in Falkville just now.

Hope you guys are OK, since you are close.

We have had some serious ones here in West GA tonight.

 

ralph

 

 

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[ralph]

Saw a tornado in Falkville just now.

Hope you guys are OK, since you are close.

We have had some serious ones here in West GA tonight.

 

ralph

 

 

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[WISPA] At Wispamerica Monday

[ralph]

Looking forward to seeing some of you in Birmingham Monday. I am going to the 
Baicells training, but will not be able to attend the remainder of the 
convention.

 

If you see me, say “Hi”!

 

Ralph Fowler

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Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[ralph]

In my case, I LIKE the fact that Authorize.net does it.

If I could somehow get them to do my laundry, I’d let them do that as well.

 

If any of these folks are going to WispAmerica I  will be there Monday and 
Tuesday I believe.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:00 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

 

But it's not their job. I'm not asking them to do my laundry either.

That's the responsibility of whatever is feeding data to Authorize.Net\IP Pay.



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From: "ralph" <ralphli...@bsrg.org <mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org> >
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 7:56:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

If you haven’t heard of that, Mike, then you haven’t used Authorize.net.

 

It IS IP Pay’s responsibility to listen to the customer’s  needs. If they want 
to stand out, then they will also adjust to and meet those needs. They should 
at LEAST provide a similar level of service to Authorize.net. Like I said, we 
are small and things like that help a LOT!

 

Otherwise the customer leaves.  Maybe one day they will understand that they 
need to be flexible.  And it looks like I am not the only one with similar 
views.

 

Ralph

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:58 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

 

It's not IP Pay's responsibility to do that. That's WiFiRush's responsibility. 
I've never heard of the credit card processor being involved at that level.



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From: "ralph" <ralphli...@bsrg.org <mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org> >
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:46:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.

 

We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush)  uses 
Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
etc. to the Email address the customer provides.  I also receive a copy, which 
is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost. 

 

IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I must manually 
look up records of any past transactions in their web site.  This is cumbersome 
and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in my backup 
receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to know they are 
there.

 

I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.  
Unfortunately they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never 
officially started using them and never processed any transactions at all.  It 
was a lot of difficulty to make them stop charging me.

 

If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
believe this is not an option of theirs!

 

Ralph

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[ralph]

If you haven’t heard of that, Mike, then you haven’t used Authorize.net.

 

It IS IP Pay’s responsibility to listen to the customer’s  needs. If they want 
to stand out, then they will also adjust to and meet those needs. They should 
at LEAST provide a similar level of service to Authorize.net. Like I said, we 
are small and things like that help a LOT!

 

Otherwise the customer leaves.  Maybe one day they will understand that they 
need to be flexible.  And it looks like I am not the only one with similar 
views.

 

Ralph

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 6:58 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

 

It's not IP Pay's responsibility to do that. That's WiFiRush's responsibility. 
I've never heard of the credit card processor being involved at that level.



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From: "ralph" <ralphli...@bsrg.org <mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org> >
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 10:46:46 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.

 

We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush)  uses 
Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
etc. to the Email address the customer provides.  I also receive a copy, which 
is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost. 

 

IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I must manually 
look up records of any past transactions in their web site.  This is cumbersome 
and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in my backup 
receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to know they are 
there.

 

I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.  
Unfortunately they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never 
officially started using them and never processed any transactions at all.  It 
was a lot of difficulty to make them stop charging me.

 

If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
believe this is not an option of theirs!

 

Ralph

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

 

I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
absolutely is more expensive.



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From: "Josh Richesin" <j...@surelinebroadband.com 
<mailto:j...@surelinebroadband.com> >
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

Agreed!

 

 

Josh Richesin 

Phone: (541) 699-0030  |  Fax (541) 526-0988

 <mailto:j...@surelinebroadband.com> j...@surelinebroadband.com

 <http://www.surelinebroadband.com> www.surelinebroadband.com

596 SW 4th Street  |  Mail: 380 SW 5th Street

Madras, OR 977

Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

[ralph]

I will tell you my issue with IP Pay.

 

We aren’t large. Our network runs like a giant Hotspot and most customers pay 
monthly when their time runs out.. Our billing solution(WiFiRush)  uses 
Authorize.net. Authorize.net sends a payment receipt with transaction number, 
etc. to the Email address the customer provides.  I also receive a copy, which 
is automatically sent to a folder that is only used in case there is a 
catastrophic failure of something and all billing records get lost. 

 

IP Pay is inflexible and refuses to do that. They want my system to send the 
receipt to the customer, which it does not.  They also say that I must manually 
look up records of any past transactions in their web site.  This is cumbersome 
and (for me) it is much easier to search for the customer name in my backup 
receipts that were Emailed. I seldom need them but it is good to know they are 
there.

 

I once almost started using them but this issue stopped the show.  
Unfortunately they started billing me a monthly fee even though I never 
officially started using them and never processed any transactions at all.  It 
was a lot of difficulty to make them stop charging me.

 

If they would simply send the receipts, like Authorize.net does, I would 
probably switch to them since they are supposedly “ISP Friendly”. I can’t 
believe this is not an option of theirs!

 

Ralph

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:01 AM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

 

I think you need to re-visit IP Pay, Propay, etc. for current quotes. Stripe 
absolutely is more expensive.



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From: "Josh Richesin" <j...@surelinebroadband.com 
<mailto:j...@surelinebroadband.com> >
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 4:25:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

Agreed!

 

 

Josh Richesin 

Phone: (541) 699-0030  |  Fax (541) 526-0988

 <mailto:j...@surelinebroadband.com> j...@surelinebroadband.com

 <http://www.surelinebroadband.com> www.surelinebroadband.com

596 SW 4th Street  |  Mail: 380 SW 5th Street

Madras, OR 97741

 

 

From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > on 
behalf of Brett A Mansfield <li...@silverlakeinternet.com 
<mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >
Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Date: Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:20 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Billing Solution

 

Still lower than the quotes I got from all the others. Plus, it’s easier to 
configure, manage, use, etc.

Thank you, 

Brett A Mansfield


On Jan 17, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com 
<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote:

Only 50% higher, geez.




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Mike Hammett <wispawirel...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Stripe's published pricing is way above the ISP-focused providers.



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From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com 
<mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org&

[WISPA] Ignitenet

[ralph]

Is there a phone number with which to talk to a human at Ignitenet?

I have sent messages to their Facebook page (which promices response very 
quickly), their support address and to Hal Bledsoe.

 

I have a need to speak to someone about sales to a major carrier but I need to 
talk today because I have to report tomorrow.

 

With them in California I would expect someone to be there.

 

Ralph

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 3:59 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

 

Since we have more than one mounting option now and different folks want 
different ones, we are pulling the mounts out of the radio box and letting it 
be your choice which one.

 

The transition has been less than smooth. We are reminding all our partners 
about this.

 

The sector is the first to change. The rest of the MetroLinqs will follow 
eventually and will get a corresponding cost reduction.

 

Please bear with us and let us know if you have difficulty getting mounts!

 

Hal

On Mon, Aug 29, 2016, 3:33 PM Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net 
<mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net> > wrote:

I emailed them and they said they stopped sending them with mounts because the 
default ones don’t work…

 

So I have an email in with the distributer trying to get some options for 
mounting the things.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 11:19 AM


To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

 

I got no mount! Wtf ignitenet? 

 

From: <wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> > on 
behalf of Chris Ruschmann <ch...@scsalaska.net <mailto:ch...@scsalaska.net> >


 

Gino Villarini


President


Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Date: Monday, August 29, 2016 at 2:43 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

 

Yeah, on our Beta Gear we were seeing 600Mpbs. I haven’t got the new sector up 
to test as they apparently don’t ship them with mounts…

 

From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> ] On 
Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 3:04 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

 

You had something not setup right. 

 

We have seen arguments about 600meg vs 800meg vs 1g type discussions.. but if 
you were seeing 30... then you had something totally off...

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> 

 


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From: "Dan Parrish" <d...@tularosa.net <mailto:d...@tularosa.net> >
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> >
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2016 5:55:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 60 Ghz gear

We've gotten some this week as well. Initial tests weren't too impressive, but 
I'm sure I can improve the RF alignment. At -55 on both sides, I was only able 
to pass about 30mbits/sec, which was much lower than I anticipated. How is 
everyone else faring in their tests? Please include RSSI and TCP performance if 
possible.

--danp

On 08/25/2016 03:13 PM, Chris Ruschmann wrote:

Just got these in, smaller than I thought they would be…

 

Sector on the left, CPE on the right. I’ll get them setup shortly.

 

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[WISPA] Sturgis SD service

[ralph]

We do marinas and campgrounds in the Southeast and had a customer staying at 
one of them inquire about us doing their campground in Sturgis.

180 campsites and 29 cabins. Although we did the project for Full Throttle 
Saloon (before the TV show and before it burned down), we don’t do any other 
Sturgis work.



Is there a WISP or even an integrator here that can do a project in Sturgis?   
It would probably be small APs in the cabins and then some outdoor ones in the 
campground, behind a captive portal. And all probably interconnected wirelessly.



I can recommend a provider for the captive portal part that doesn’t take a cut 
of your profits.  Just requires a Mikrotik router at the site.



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[WISPA] Sturgis SD service

[ralph]

We do marinas and campgrounds in the Southeast and had a customer staying at 
one of them inquire about us doing their campground in Sturgis.

180 campsites and 29 cabins. Although we did the project for Full Throttle 
Saloon (before the TV show and before it burned down), we don’t do any other 
Sturgis work.



Is there a WISP or even an integrator here that can do a project in Sturgis?   
It would probably be small APs in the cabins and then some outdoor ones in the 
campground, behind a captive portal. And all probably interconnected wirelessly.



I can recommend a provider for the captive portal part that doesn’t take a cut 
of your profits.  Just requires a Mikrotik router at the site.



Ralph







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Re: [WISPA] TDWR Interference screenshot

[ralph]

Probably so- At least I know PR had lots of problems a while back.

But I really wanted a screen shot from the LV one, since I can relate the 
entire story in my narrative.  I’ve even located their violation notice.

Somebody’s got to have that photo still.





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 6:00 PM
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] TDWR Interference screenshot



Check the PR station, I'm pretty sure it happens there very regularly.






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 5:51 PM, ralph <ralphli...@bsrg.org 
<mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org> > wrote:

Back a few years ago the Las Vegas TDWR was affected by what turned out to be a 
video link or something about 40 miles away. WISPA helped locate the 
interference and for a good while images of the RADAR screen showing the 
interference were floating around.



I used to Google for it all the time when I needed an example. I can no longer 
locate it.



Does anyone have a copy of that image they could send me?



Thanks



Ralph

Brightlan






 
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[WISPA] TDWR Interference screenshot

[ralph]

Back a few years ago the Las Vegas TDWR was affected by what turned out to be a 
video link or something about 40 miles away. WISPA helped locate the 
interference and for a good while images of the RADAR screen showing the 
interference were floating around.



I used to Google for it all the time when I needed an example. I can no longer 
locate it.



Does anyone have a copy of that image they could send me?



Thanks



Ralph

Brightlan





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[WISPA] Bloomington IN area

[ralph]

I have a large customer in my area who has a branch in the Bloomington IN area. 
They are a resort.  They are asking me for information on a company like mine 
who can serve them in their area. It involves a hotspot and lots of users who 
pay by the day, week, month or year.



Please contact me if you want this business!



Ralph

r...@brightlan.net



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Re: [WISPA] Anyone sell ICOM IDAS radios/repeaters?

[ralph]

How about a WISP who is ALSO an Icom dealer! I know of one.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ranch
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:43 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone sell ICOM IDAS radios/repeaters?

 

Yes we do and we love it, but I would suggest contacting a local Icom dealer.

 

Allen Pooley

Ranch Wireless

Sent from my Ranch phone

 



Sent from my Ranch phone

On Jul 26, 2016, at 6:26 PM, Chris Fabien  > wrote:

We are evaluating a couple different options for 2-way radios and would like to 
get some info/pricing. Ive heard it discussed on this list before. If any wispa 
members sell this please contact me off list. 

Chris Fabien 
LakeNet LLC 

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Re: [WISPA] pay per use billing

[ralph]

Would you consider treating these users like a hotspot, where they activate 
online using credit card for an hour, day, weekend, week, or month?

 

Our entire network is like that. We have exactly 3 customers we still bill.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of wi...@mncomm.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2014 4:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] pay per use billing

 

I am starting to get hit by part time users going to their fishing house on the 
weekends. I also have customers that were on seasonal plans where their 
internet was shut down while they were gone, however they needed an active 
connection for remote access to thermostats and cameras. 

 

So what’s an average price for selling usage based service? We currently do not 
offer it now, but I may want to try it out on these instances

 

thanks

heith

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Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

[ralph]

Joe-

Dunno if it will help you but I have this contact info from when we were
trying to get our deposit back for months:

 

 

Lauri J. Vertrees
Director of Operations
Pervasip Corp
75 South Broadway, Suite 400
White Plains, NY 10601
Ofc:  914-750-6626
Fax:  866-214-2532
lvertr...@pervasip.com mailto:lvertr...@pervasip.com 
lvertr...@voxcorp.net mailto:lvertr...@voxcorp.net 
www.pervasip.com http://www.pervasip.com 
www.voxcorp.net http://www.voxcorp.net 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 11:33 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

No warning, no discussion, note went out at 7pm

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 9:04 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

What a casual sounding message they sent!

How can they act like that isn't serious!?!?

So glad we fired them in 2012!

 

Good luck, Joe! Hope you can get those numbers ported.   Did they even tell
you what upstream carrier has them?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 7:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

Anyone else using VoX for VoIP service?

 

We lost inbound calling today.  I just received this from VoX:

 

Dear Customer,

At approximately 1:00PM EDT today one of our main suppliers of inbound phone
numbers disconnected us.
We apologize for this. We know it  will cause problems for some customers.
VoX did everything it could to keep all services running smoothly.
Unfortunately, this was unavoidable.
This problem should not affect outbound calls and we urge you to email
customerc...@voxcorp.net mailto:customerc...@voxcorp.net  should you have
issues calling out from your VoX service.

Due to recent problems the company has had raising funds for continued
operations, we have had to make some very tough decisions with the resources
and carriers that are currently available to us.

If your service was affected because of this issue, you have two options.

1. We can offer you a replacement phone number in your rate center at no
cost to you.
2. You can switch your service to another phone company.


If you want a replacement phone number, please send an email to
customerc...@voxcorp.net mailto:customerc...@voxcorp.net . Please be sure
to include your account number, or, current VoX phone number.


Thank You,
VoX Support Team

Comments?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

[ralph]

What a casual sounding message they sent!

How can they act like that isn't serious!?!?

So glad we fired them in 2012!

 

Good luck, Joe! Hope you can get those numbers ported.   Did they even tell
you what upstream carrier has them?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Joe Fiero
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 7:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] VoX VoIP serevice interruption

 

Anyone else using VoX for VoIP service?

 

We lost inbound calling today.  I just received this from VoX:

 

Dear Customer,

At approximately 1:00PM EDT today one of our main suppliers of inbound phone
numbers disconnected us.
We apologize for this. We know it  will cause problems for some customers.
VoX did everything it could to keep all services running smoothly.
Unfortunately, this was unavoidable.
This problem should not affect outbound calls and we urge you to email
customerc...@voxcorp.net mailto:customerc...@voxcorp.net  should you have
issues calling out from your VoX service.

Due to recent problems the company has had raising funds for continued
operations, we have had to make some very tough decisions with the resources
and carriers that are currently available to us.

If your service was affected because of this issue, you have two options.

1. We can offer you a replacement phone number in your rate center at no
cost to you.
2. You can switch your service to another phone company.


If you want a replacement phone number, please send an email to
customerc...@voxcorp.net mailto:customerc...@voxcorp.net . Please be sure
to include your account number, or, current VoX phone number.


Thank You,
VoX Support Team

Comments?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs

[ralph]

We did this, and won.

Still trying to get credit for what was paid before we squeaked.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 9:06 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs

 

The key for Comcast is to make sure your contract says intra-state and not
inter-state for the tax jurisdiction.  They don't collect USF on intra-state
circuits, only local city/county/state taxes as applicable.  If your
contract says inter-state (and it isn't inter-state), you can harass your
sales rep into getting a change order done.  If it's intra-state and they
still collect USF, then make the appropriate stink with your sales rep.

-Kristian

On 04/15/2014 03:44 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Oh really?  Comcast wants to charge me 16% USF on a point to point to carry
Internet traffic. 

Sent from my iPad


On Apr 15, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappytelecom.net
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net  wrote:

hmmm.. not quite accurate...

 

Internet Freedom Act was updated to allow for taxes not to apply to
internet access as well as communication circuits carrying internet access.

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet  Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net  

 


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From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 6:12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for  WISPs

 

I believe the reason you are being taxed is because this is a transport and
not an internet circuit. 

 

As far as I know the internet freedom act only applies to Internet access. 

 

Sent from my iPad


On Apr 15, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net  wrote:

 

Guys,

 

I've been out of the loop for a couple years, regarding current status of
CAF/USF/Tax requirements for WISPs.  I was surprised when I recieved my
first bill from my new upstream fiber provider.

(they are a dark fiber provider, recently expanded to also offer metro
ethernet IP) 

Note: I do NOT buy IP Transit from this provider, nor Last mile Fiber. I am
just buying a Point-to-Point Fiber Transport data link.

So I consider this a wholesale component or infrastructure component, not an
End User Internet circuit. 

 

In the past, my Fiber providers never charged me any Taxes or USF.  

I was under the impression that as a WISP (Im not a CLEC) providing
Broadband only services, I didnt need to collect or pay into USF, CAF, or
State Taxes. And further, my Upstream should be exempt from having to pay
and/or collect such fees from me.  If so, I need to provide legal
documentation to support my claim to my upstream.

 

THe new fiber provider is trying to charge me

The Federal USF stated was about 16.5% of monthly fiber cost.

The VA Communication Tax was about 6% of monthly fiber cost.

The Property Tax / Franchise/Row Recovery Fees 0.08% of monthly fiber cost.

 

First, I thought it was federal law that Broadband can not be taxed by the
State.

Second, the USF amount stated was 16.5%, but in the past, when USF was
applicable it was  always only around 6%.

 

Note: I do NOT buy IP Transit from this provider, nor Last mile Fiber. I am
just buying a Point-to-Point Fiber Transport data link.

So I consider this a wholesale component or infrastructure component, not an
End User Internet circuit. 

 

So questions are

 

1) Am I exempt as a WISP.

2) Is there a standard government form I can provide to my uptream, to
document my exemption (similar to use tax resell certificate)

3) Is CAF in effect now (Broadband providers paying into USF) and if so,
what is the current % rate?

4) Does it matter how my upstream classifies themselves versus how I
classify myself? (for example, if they've obtained CLEC status or not, or im
not a CLEC).

5) Does it matter how I use the circuit?  

6) Any specific FCC code to point to, that specifies this clearly?

 

Figured Id ask, before I go searching through regulation code.

 

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
301-515-7774

IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs

[ralph]

It was hundreds of dollars a month, I know that.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 2:51 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs

Interstate access charge, maybe?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 4/16/14, 2:40 PM, ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:
 Don't know.
 The word interstate was in the description of the charge.
 


 *From:* Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com]
 *To:* WISPA General List [mailto:wireless@wispa.org]
 *Sent:* Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:32:45 -0400
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs
 
 OK... but why is there no USF on an INTRAstate circuit but there is on
 an INTERstate?
 
 
 Matt Hoppes
 Director of Information Technology
 Indigo Wireless
 +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312] #
 
 On 4/16/14, 2:22 PM, ralphli...@bsrg.org
 mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:
  There was none. We just kept refusing to pay it and explained it
 several
  times. They finally removed it.
  Having a good relationship with your A.E. helps a lot I guess.
  I lot of it was just making them understand that, since they had
 all the
  addresses of the drops, it was NOT interstate.
 
  I used to fight this with the phone company as well several years
 ago in
  another life.
 
 


  *From:* Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
 mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com]
  *To:* WISPA General List [mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org]
  *Sent:* Wed, 16 Apr 2014 13:33:19 -0400
  *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs
 
  That's what I meant... interesting. Good to know! Can you reference
  the paperwork ID number you had to request?
 
 
  Matt Hoppes
  Director of Information Technology
  Indigo Wireless
  +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312]
 #] #
 
  On 4/16/14, 1:28 PM, ralphli...@bsrg.org
mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org
  mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:
   From our Metro Ethernet network
  
  
 


   *From:* Matt Hoppes [mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
 mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
  mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
 mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com]
   *To:* WISPA General List [mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org]
   *Sent:* Wed, 16 Apr 2014 12:41:22 -0400
   *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs
  
   So you got the USF tax removed from your Comcast transport
circuit?
  
  
   Matt Hoppes
   Director of Information Technology
   Indigo Wireless
   +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312[Call: +1 (570)
 723-7312[Call: +1 (570) 723-7312] #]
  #] #
  
   On 4/16/14, 12:30 PM, ralph wrote:
We did this, and won.
   
Still trying to get credit for what was paid before we squeaked.
   
   
   
*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
   mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
   [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
*On Behalf Of *Kristian Hoffmann
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 15, 2014 9:06 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] CAF-USF-StateTax for WISPs
   
   
   
The key for Comcast is to make sure your contract says
  intra-state and
not inter-state for the tax jurisdiction. They don't collect
 USF on
intra-state circuits, only local city/county/state taxes as
   applicable.
If your contract says inter-state (and it isn't inter-state),
  you can
harass your sales rep into getting a change order done. If it's
intra-state and they still collect USF, then make the
appropriate
   stink
with your sales rep.
   
-Kristian
   
On 04/15/2014 03:44 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
   
Oh really? Comcast wants to charge me 16% USF on a point to
point

[WISPA] Friday For Sale- Tropos mesh stuff. 5210s and 5110s

[ralph]

If you ever wanted to do mesh, to cover campgrounds, marinas or even small 
towns, then Tropos is what you want!

You hang these babies, supplying backhaul either by hardwired LAN or by 
wireless link to whichever ones you can.

The rest, you just hang and power up.  

 

The awesome Tropos logic in the radios does all the rest. This is not WDS mesh, 
or that funky open mesh stuff or the wireless uplink stuff that UniFi does. 
This is what the big boys use.

 

They find the nearest “gateway (the ones with the backhauls)  using the fewest 
hops and begin working in minutes.

If something happens to the gateway the mesh self-heals.  There is no 
controller required and each radio has its own management system you can access 
over the wireless or wire. If all else fails, they can be rebooted or reset by 
using a universal infrared remote control (security code selectable) without 
even needing a ladder or bucket truck. There’s even a hidden “rescue” SSID that 
gives you full access from the ground (uses  https and the security code is 
selectable)  You can do multi SSID with or without encryption and even assign 
VLANS to SSIDs.

 

At our Atlanta based WISP, we’ve got a fair amount of surplus Tropos gear. The 
original prices were in the $2500-$3500 price range and we are asking but a 
fraction of that.  We have model 5110 (11b mesh) for $35.00 each  and 5210 (11g 
mesh) for $100.00 each.  They come with antennas and mounting brackets and we 
have some of the power cords and photocell adapters for very cheap as well.

 

You should buy a couple just to see the way real mesh is done!

 

BTW- the 5210s give 12v, 24v, or 48v passive POE out as well, ready to connect 
almost any backhaul radio so you don’t even need a POE or switch to make a 
gateway.  We use ‘em with Nanobridges  as backhauls and they work great.

 

Shipping is extra.  I am going to try to get an inventory list up as soon as I 
can at  http://brightlan.net/surplus

 

Contact me, Ralph at (404) 906-2653 if interested

 

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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

[ralph]

Why shy away from a hotel? Sell them a managed service. Nothing wrong with that.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of timothy steele
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 1:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

 

In my experience hotels always want you to manage there network for free I 
would stay away.. Getting service to apartment complex buildings now that is 
something knowing how to sell would be useful

—
Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox  for iPhone

 

On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net  wrote:

Are you trying to get your services into hotels? I am as well and would 
appreciate any help I can get.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

 


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From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 
To: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org ) 
wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:10:13 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?

Guys,

 

Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like 
Regional IT Directors? 

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143


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Re: [WISPA] Microsoft, Google, , Comcast among supporters for Wi-Fi access expansion

[ralph]

And also this:

http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/story/wififorward-adds-ballast-demand-unl
icensed-spectrum/2014-02-13


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Sam
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 11:31 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Microsoft, Google, Comcast among supporters for Wi-Fi
access expansion

http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-google-comcast-among-supporters-for-wi-fi-acc
ess-expansion-726353/#ftag=RSS14dc6a9

(My apologies if this is old news. I hadn't seen it yet if it is.) Have a
great weekend!

~Sam

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Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700 frequencies?

[ralph]

Exactly-What Matt said!  or you are no better than the Mikrotik boys who use
uncertified stuff.
(yes a FEW MT devices radios are certified, but most are illegal to use in
the US. But they don't seem to care)

I feel that 5GHz is going to be toast anyway before long. In our Metro WiFi
deployments we see hundreds of 5 GHz Linksys, Dlink, etc. neighbors on scans
now. And many of them are overlapping many channels. And of course all
Comcast's hotspots and everyone else's broadcasting on both bands.

I often wonder how long WiFi has before it is totally unusable.  It is
getting that way now here in the large Metro areas!
You guys out in the sticks with your grain elevators and 20 mile
unobstructed views have it so easy. Lol



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2014 6:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
frequencies?

Exactly... and this conversation just took a hair pin into exactly WHY we're
being muscled out of the frequencies.

Guys -- if you're going to run, play by the rules.  No unlocked radios,
compliance with DFS, set to US country code, etc.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 2/14/14, 6:01 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
 We're talking about DFS certification requirements for CPEs. They exist :P

 *Josh Reynolds*
 Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS
 j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com

 On 02/14/2014 01:46 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 The DOD only cares that you stop using the channel. It's up to you if
 you want it to work somewhere else. ;-)



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com
 *To: *wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Friday, February 14, 2014 3:58:13 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
 frequencies?

 CPE must be DFS compliant as well. CPE has to be able to respond to
 channel change requests from the AP, etc.

 *Josh Reynolds*
 Chief Information Officer
 SPITwSPOTS
 j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com

 On 02/14/2014 12:35 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 It seems technically quite easy. Set compliance mode on an older
 device and associate to one that is compliant.

 Does DFS certification only apply to AP operations or CPE
 operations as well? I'm guessing the former. If that's the case,
 UBNT hasn't done the paperwork to get them certified as CPE
 either, but should be a lot easier as they don't need to pass all
 of the other business. Also, that makes more sense...  that your
 AP control what happens in a given area.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com



 *From: *Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Cc: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Friday, February 14, 2014 3:31:32 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Are we being muscled out of the 5265 - 5700
 frequencies?

 Ummm. And how are you connected uncertified devices to a DFS
 equipped sector?

 On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:17, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com
 mailto:asteph...@ptera.com wrote:

 We have over 600 Airgrids deployed (Which did not get DFS
 approval but we are using the frequencies listed and DFS on
 the Rocket Sectors they connect to. I have been chasing
 jumping bunny rabbits (False Positives from competitors
 putting  up new APs)) - cost to replace $6000 not including
 labor costs. And money grows on trees.

 All of our other equipment I have reprogrammed and updated to
 bring them up to legal.

 Same with Power Bridges - No DFS - So when the Nano beams came
 out 5.7-5.8 No DFS that triggered my question about the lower
 frequencies whether it seemed like they were going to be
 withdrawn and sold off to the highest bidder. It is all about
 the money after all.

 Are we the only ones that deployed so many Airgrids?.


 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Forrest Christian (List
 Account) li...@packetflux.com mailto:li...@packetflux.com
 wrote:

 Yes but the lower ones require DFS and lower power and a
 certified radio.

 Your original message was complaining about the removal of
 compliance test mode.  The specific purpose of compliance
 test mode is to permit a radio to operate outside of legal
 limits.   For instance over the legal power limit or on
 DFS bands without DFS enabled or outside legal channels
 for that radio.

 UBNT has stated 

Re: [WISPA] CableWIFI?

[ralph]

I will tell you exactly what it is. I am very familiar:

Cable Companies discovered that they could easily offer roaming WiFi to
their existing customers by utilizing their existing strand and 90 volt
power riding it to add access points. Not in the sense of full Metro WiFi
(like MuniWiFi) but more as hotspots.  The first big adopter was
Cablevision, with a brand they called OptimumWiFi.  They now have nearly
100,000 APs in their markets.  They use Belair APs, Cisco APs and possibly
may be testing Ruckus and others.  

Although they could be, these are usually not mesh systems, as many MuniWiFi
systems had to be, because each AP can have its own ready-made  backhaul.
Most broadcast on 5GHz as well as 2.4 GHz.  This is because like us, they
discovered that 5 GHz was clean, and most new devices- especially phones and
tablets, have 5GHz now. The speed on these is around 15x4 Mbps.

Additionally, Comcast did the same thing, as did Time Warner, Cox and
BrightHouse.Comcast is very busy rolling it out inside homes and
businesses as well. It is done with a second SSID that does not impact a
customer's usage cap.

These networks each broadcast their own SSIDS. They are OptimumWiFi,
Xfinitywifi, CoxWiFi,  TWCWiFi and BrightHouse WiFi (I am not positive of
the actual SSID on the last two).   The systems are available at no charge
to their customers who have the required service level at home.  I'm sure
they are probably working on a pay per use model as well.

CableLabs, worked with all these MSOs to agree on a consortium between them
to share networks. The companies I mentioned have connected their
authentication systems together to allow roaming between all the hotspots
operated by one other. This now gives the MSOs hundreds of thousands of
hotspots that their customers can use. Compare this to the few hotspots ATT
offers their customers- McDonalds and Home Depot (they lost Starbucks to
Google).  

Once an MSO integrates their network, they add a new SSID: CableWiFi. If you
connect to that you see a captive portal that allows the user to select
their home carrier and away they go.  They can roam all over the US with
their phone, tablet, laptop or whatever. Everything is as if they were home-
including CALEA! In areas where the territories of two MSOs touch, they
often broadcast each other's SSIDs as well.  For example in Long Island and
also parts of NJ, you will see OptimumWifi, xfinitywifi, and TWCWiFi all
with the same strength. That is because they are coming from the same
Cablevision AP.

Now, you may remember back in 2007 when we WISPs were running around
worrying about Earthlink (and some cities) starting to deploy MuniWiFi .  I
remember it well... posts that were like this: the sky is falling, cities
are installing MuniWiFi. It is going to put us out of business Back then I
said: Don't fight them, join them.  Most of them offered the opportunity to
have your SSID on their system. Earthlink carried several other SSIDs. Among
them, in some markets,  DirectTV and Vonage.   In our market, we worked with
the Cities and BECAME THE ISP. They actually handed us an Ethernet cable
that had all the houses in town connected on the other end. We just added
a Mikrotik and made the whole town a hotspot.

As these MSOs widen their footprints, prepare to see many more SSIDs.





-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Lyon
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:43 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] CableWIFI?

Startting to see this SSID pop up around town.

How is this conglomerate setting up it's APs? Are the likes of comcast and
such just adding add'l SSIDs to users gateways / cable modems or are they
actually deploying dedicated infrastructure?

-Mike
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Re: [WISPA] decoy tower

[ralph]

Same with the ones here in GA. They look too tall and have really scraggly
branches.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Phil Curnutt
Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] decoy tower

 

The cell companies in California use them and they stick out like a sore
thumb.  Palm trees do not have straight vertical trunks.

Around here, Northern New Mexico, they use what is supposed to look like a
tall pine tree.  That doesn't work either as all our trees are short
Junipers and Pinons.  The tower looks more like an ICBM then a tree anyway.

Phil

 

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 12:51 PM, heith petersen wi...@mncomm.com
mailto:wi...@mncomm.com  wrote:

Yes, it would. I am thinking a little farther south my friend LOL

 

From: Sam Tetherow mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net  

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 1:03 PM

To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Subject: Re: [WISPA] decoy tower

 

I would think a palm tree would look more out of place in SD than a tower :)

On 12/30/2013 05:18 PM, heith petersen wrote:

Curious is anyone has deployed a decoy tower, palm tree looking, with decent
success and who is a good distributor/manufacturer. I have never seen one in
person and we have a situation where we don't really need one but would
likely look a lot better than a traditional tower

 

thanks

heith

 

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Re: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

[ralph]

We do it.

 

We manage our entire WISP network like a giant Hotspot.  People can choose all 
sorts of different plans that are tailored for the particular tower, town, or 
marina they are at.

 

The most speed offerings we currently have at any one location is 2, although 
we could have many.  We can also have those broken down into multiple versions 
of a cap (we call it a fair-use quota).

 

The most time periods we have at any one location is about 7 (hourly, daily, 
weekend, week, month, quarter, year).

This is because of the seasonal nature of our customers. Marinas have residents 
more in the Spring, Summer, and Fall. Although we have one marina with giant 
boats and many of them live aboard year round.

 

Doing it this way, the Mikrotiks control speeds, bursting, and throttling and 
we never have to bill or collect any money from anyone.

 

If a user moves around on the lake between different marinas, the centralized 
RADIUS lets him take his settings with him.

We have a some APs on a couple of marinas that have sectors pointing to public 
and State campgrounds, so we pick up that business too.  Outdoor UniFis are 
great for all of this, and we use lots of them on sectors like this.

 

When Wireless Orbit closed its doors, we scrambled to find a back end portal to 
do all this and we finally settled on one. They are doing some customization 
for us now to get things the way we want.

 

It is so nice now to be able to see/change all the user data in the SQL 
database. Wireless Orbit stunk in that respect.

 

If you would like to see our progress, and what the users see, visit 
http://tinyurl.com/ksqn7zq

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of heith petersen
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:11 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Internet Packages regarding geography

 

We are getting to the point in a lot of our markets that we need to offer 
different speed packages. Issue being some markets, being 900 or slightly 
sub-par infrastructure, we wouldn’t be able to promote these packages across 
the board. Was curious if others are offering packages to different areas that 
would not be possible in some? And if so, do you get any backlash from those 
who cannot get those packages? Is it appropriate to offer extended packages to 
users on one tower when another tower down the road wouldn’t be capable of 
these packages? Its bad but we just offer a residential rate, no matter if that 
customer can get 1 meg down via Canopy 900 or close to 10 meg on a UBNT SM. I 
have caught a little heat in an area where we fired up 900 about 4 years ago to 
a market that had only satellite. Then we hooked up a tower in a small town 4 
miles away with UBNT M2 and news spread like wild fire. We went from 40 900 
subs to about a dozen, and a pile of radios I don’t want to deploy again.  
Shame on me for not offering the extended packages at that time for those 
wanting more bandwidth.

 

I also have the area outside my home town that Century Link offers what they 
claim is 12 meg service, but it never gets close. I am constantly adding more 
sectors in these areas, Im getting to the point where I am adding UBNT to 
offload Canopy, then adding more UBNT to offload the UBNT that was offloading 
the Canopy, it gets to be a vicious circle. I am already $20 per month more 
than CL, not sure if a lot of customers would stay if I were to charge them 
more for what they are getting now. Once again shame on me. The bosses think 
the prices should be the same across the board, but technically performances 
cannot be matched across the board, plus Im running ragged satisfying existing 
customers when I should be looking at new areas, and start the vicious circle 
all over again LOL.

 

thanks

heith 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power company BPL trials)

[ralph]

Hi Paolo-
The long runs are what generated so much interference.  
The new Homeplug stuff is a lot more last mile because of it having to be
on the secondary of the final transformer.

I'm not at all promoting bringing the old BPL back, but am certainly
interested in using it on the secondary in the applications I mentioned
(marinas, MDUs, pole to home, etc).


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 6:47 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power company
BPL trials)

Hi All

the model itself was wrong in most cases I have heard about. The reality is
that the power line was (is?) a good mean for the last mile and not for the
long run

So the reality was that for that model the company needs fiber as close as
possible to the customer. The advantage is the cost of covering as many as
possible potential customers with few fibers and go in the houdr with the
powerline. Doing FTTH means a lot more of costs compared to what is already
in place and if the company will bring to the customers decent speeds that
could enable services (e.g. IPTV or whatever) nobody will complain.

In Italy we had the possibility to run this model but I guess it did not
work mainly for political reasons. (Just my opinion)

This is what is happening here in Italy with the copper. The reason why we
are not doing FFTH is more political than technological but the idea is to
deploy FTTS/FTTC and use copper from the house to the street and then go
with the fiber. Still I see that it will suffer from bad maintenance even of
the last piece of the copper but this solution should mitigate a lot of
other issues.

Nowadays I don't know if the powerline model has sense compared to copper +
fiber (FTTS/FTTC)

Paolo

  Funny to see this today. I was upgrading a customers equipment today who
 works for the Electric company that provided service for BPL here, 
 until it failed.

 He was telling me how they are still, after two years, finding and 
 pulling the equipment off their poles and piling them up in a heap.

 I would like to make a correction on A above. It was not a trail and 
 it did not fail due to ham radio interference.

 This one company walked away after failing due to the technology...
 after spending well over 130 million dollars of tax payer money. I 
 would suggest twice that in order expenditures, such as the direct 
 costs to our local Electric Cooperative company. The best speeds 
 obtained were 4-5, but 90% or more was less then 400k!! Fact, I 
 replaced many of these, including a manufacturer two blocks away from 
 the BLP NOC, who had 300k D and 45k U!

 The technological issues were plenty, but the reason they failed, went 
 bankrupt, was because the business model did not match the technology 
 reality. When a lightning storm came through, it would take out 
 several relays which were used to bypass pole transformers. Then, not 
 the ISP, but a certified electrician and line man had to do the repairs...
 usually several down a route at great expense. Storms were draining 
 the money... until tornadoes in Alabama threw in the last straw... so 
 many outages on poles combined with loss revenue... killed the company.

 For that kind of money, a WISP could have built dozens of 110' towers 
 across many counties and delivered many times the speed.

 What a loss... what a waste... this is a hidden story where the 
 funding
 (granting) agency should have been hung.

 As for home automation... this stuff has been around for many years.
 Using Radio Shack control switches, I automated a home in the early 80s.
 I deautomated it in the early 90s before selling the house the 
 reason... after a few short years, most control units had been fried 
 from normal surges in the electric system (storms).



 On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org 
 mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:

 I am writing this because I just read an old thread from around
 9/20/13 on AFMUG in which BPL was being discussed. 

 I'm no longer on that list due to the amount of traffic, but I'd
 like to discuss it more here.

 __ __

 __ __

 A.  The failed power company BPL trials were a unique
 technology.  However the frequencies used were not compatible with
 both Amateur Radio and with International broadcasters. They were
 shut down due to much lobbying from both groups as well as several
 technical and economic challenges.   It also still required WiFi of
 some type to get the signal from the pole/transformer to the end
 user. Good riddance to them and their noisy interference!

 __ __

 B.  But the technology that has proven to be useful is more
 localized: Home Power Line Networking. Check out
 https://www.homeplug.org/home/

 __ __

 There is a lot of potential for us

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power companyBPL trials)

[ralph]

Thanks Jay.

Did you ever try to get more than one remote to connect to a master without 
doing anything special?

That’s my ultimate goal. And do you remember the model unit you used?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power companyBPL 
trials)

 

 

Ralph - pretty sure we used the netgear model units and they did not require 
anything more than plug and pray.  Worked great.

 

- Original Message - 

From: ralph mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power companyBPL 
trials)

 

Then you may not be talking about what I am talking about.

I think it may have been Duke Power who did some of the 1st generation 
trial/pilots I speak of.  It was quite a while ago,  It was too expensive, 
didn’t work well, and, well, yes it certainly did interfere with licensed users 
(Ham Radio and International broadcasters). It is a part 15 service. It 
transmits on unshielded wires on approximately 2-30 MHz. This covers almost all 
low frequency Ham bands, International broadcast, and CB.  Here is the database 
of the “trials”  http://p1k.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/ex2.html#Cities 
http://p1k.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/ex2.html#Cities  It is way out of date, but 
there is tons of interesting information here. Unfortunately a great many of 
the links are broken.

 

The two most spectacular failures were those of IBEC, (the company I believe 
Clay is describing) who folded January of 2012. They cited the power line 
disruption from the Southeastern Tornadoes as the reason.  These are the same 
tornadoes that tore up several of us here on this list- especially in Alabama!  
IBEC was competing with WISPS and all the while causing illegal interference to 
FCC licensed users.

 
http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-shows-ibec-bpl-systems-are-interfering-violating-fcc-rules
 
http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-shows-ibec-bpl-systems-are-interfering-violating-fcc-rules

 

The second was the City of Manassas, VA, who started their trial way back in 
2002. The “plug was pulled” on their BPL in July of 2010.

 

A little Google-ing will find you demonstrations of how horrible the 
interference was.

 

The part 15 rules concerning BPL are very interesting:  47 C.F.R. §15.615  
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/15.615

 

The official database of BPL systems that operators are, per the FCC, supposed 
to list their systems in at least 30 days before beginning operations is at  
http://www.bpldatabase.org/listing/  IBEC repeatedly violated that FCC rule

 

 

 

 

 

The most recent technology (HomePlug) incorporates protection 
(filtering/notching)  for the Amateur bands and is a much more friendly 
neighbor.

 

Speaking of your Radio Shack devices (and I had a lot of them too) – they were 
based on the BSR X10 technology. The 80’s stuff was pretty poor. Later on it 
evolved to be a lot better and even worked bidirectionally, which really helped 
the reliability.  Many home automation companies sprang up to utilize the 
technology. When I was in the burglar business we laughed at the “Car Trunkers” 
trying to sell an alarm based on them- before they were even 2 way.  My smart 
thermostat uses the X-10 passive infrared sensors to let it know when the 
different rooms are occupied.

 

And like yours, many of modules are now dead, but I try to keep a few around to 
use to turn the Christmas lights off and on.   That X10 company who advertised 
us to death a few years ago was also responsible for those 2.4 GHz analog video 
cameras that can singlehandedly wipe out the entire 2.4 WiFi band. Boy am I 
glad they don’t advertise like that anymore! They seem to have calmed down and 
are mostly about security and switching again now.

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Clay Stewart
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power company 
BPL trials)

 

Funny to see this today. I was upgrading a customers equipment today who works 
for the Electric company that provided service for BPL here, until it failed.

 

He was telling me how they are still, after two years, finding and pulling the 
equipment off their poles and piling them up in a heap.

 

I would like to make a correction on A above. It was not a trail and it did not 
fail due to ham radio interference.

 

This one company walked away after failing due to the technology... after 
spending well over 130 million dollars of tax payer money. I would suggest 
twice that in order expenditures, such as the direct costs to our local 
Electric Cooperative company. The best speeds

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failedpower companyBPL trials)

[ralph]

That’s what I’m looking for, Jay.

 

When I say “Master”, I mean the one functioning as the backhaul to my network. 

One master on the pole (in the case of MuniWiFi enhancement)  (or in the 
rafters of the covered dock in a marina application) and a number of slaves on 
the boats or in housed, all on the same secondary.  Our marinas have 
transformers on shore and 60-70 boat slips on the single phase secondary. I 
could do the whole dock with 2 masters.

 

Of course to have a n Ethernet manageable one would be the cat’s meow. Then we 
could authorize the subscribers individually, like a CATV CMTS.

 

But since  our network is run as a hotspot the size of half a state, they still 
have to get past the captive portal anyway so that’s why Manageable is just 
something really nice but not required.

 

The WiFi works pretty well in the boats, but some of these yachts have 
basements that the WiFi doesn’t get into or the boats are so big (120-150ft) 
the coverage is poor.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 2:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failedpower companyBPL 
trials)

 

 

I'll look them up next week - yes - had as many as four connected.  There was 
no master unit, it was all one big bridge, like having them all on a switch

 

- Original Message - 

From: ralph mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failedpower companyBPL 
trials)

 

Thanks Jay.

Did you ever try to get more than one remote to connect to a master without 
doing anything special?

That’s my ultimate goal. And do you remember the model unit you used?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power companyBPL 
trials)

 

 

Ralph - pretty sure we used the netgear model units and they did not require 
anything more than plug and pray.  Worked great.

 

- Original Message - 

From: ralph mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power companyBPL 
trials)

 

Then you may not be talking about what I am talking about.

I think it may have been Duke Power who did some of the 1st generation 
trial/pilots I speak of.  It was quite a while ago,  It was too expensive, 
didn’t work well, and, well, yes it certainly did interfere with licensed users 
(Ham Radio and International broadcasters). It is a part 15 service. It 
transmits on unshielded wires on approximately 2-30 MHz. This covers almost all 
low frequency Ham bands, International broadcast, and CB.  Here is the database 
of the “trials”  http://p1k.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/ex2.html#Cities 
http://p1k.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/ex2.html#Cities  It is way out of date, but 
there is tons of interesting information here. Unfortunately a great many of 
the links are broken.

 

The two most spectacular failures were those of IBEC, (the company I believe 
Clay is describing) who folded January of 2012. They cited the power line 
disruption from the Southeastern Tornadoes as the reason.  These are the same 
tornadoes that tore up several of us here on this list- especially in Alabama!  
IBEC was competing with WISPS and all the while causing illegal interference to 
FCC licensed users.

 
http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-shows-ibec-bpl-systems-are-interfering-violating-fcc-rules
 
http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-shows-ibec-bpl-systems-are-interfering-violating-fcc-rules

 

The second was the City of Manassas, VA, who started their trial way back in 
2002. The “plug was pulled” on their BPL in July of 2010.

 

A little Google-ing will find you demonstrations of how horrible the 
interference was.

 

The part 15 rules concerning BPL are very interesting:  47 C.F.R. §15.615  
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/15.615

 

The official database of BPL systems that operators are, per the FCC, supposed 
to list their systems in at least 30 days before beginning operations is at  
http://www.bpldatabase.org/listing/  IBEC repeatedly violated that FCC rule

 

 

 

 

 

The most recent technology (HomePlug) incorporates protection 
(filtering/notching)  for the Amateur bands and is a much more friendly 
neighbor.

 

Speaking of your Radio Shack devices (and I had a lot of them too) – they were 
based on the BSR X10 technology. The 80’s stuff was pretty poor. Later on it 
evolved to be a lot better and even worked bidirectionally, which really helped 
the reliability.  Many home automation companies sprang up to utilize the 
technology

Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power company BPL trials)

[ralph]

Looks like the ones Jay used are now discontinued and are the older 100 Mb ones 
(Homeplug , not Homeplug AV)

I wonder if they introduced the enhanced security when they came out with the 
Homeplug AV.

 

The newer ones would be awesome if I can get some that don’t require matching 
to each other. 

I have a set of Trendnet ones and a set of Lindsey Wireless ones right now I 
plan to test. I also have a single of another brand.

 

I had this one idea , but it would require me to stock and sell them:

Get a bunch of some type. Match them all up ahead of time, Keep a “reference” 
one at the office and then install one on each dock as a “master” and sell the 
slave units to the boat owners.  But what I’m not sure of is what happens when 
I run out.  Would I be able to take the new ones, match them to the reference 
one and then have them work on the boats once I get them to the customers.?

 

I really wish I could call someone in Engineering at one of these manufacturers 
to get more info.  I might try Emailing someone at the Homeplug Alliance to see 
if they could put me in touch with someone.

 

I will post something soon with pics showing the layouts of one of the Marinas 
as well as an example of the MuniWiFi that I want to enhance. I think both 
scenarios are kind of cool.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 4:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (notthe failedpower companyBPL 
trials)

 

 

This is the part / part number description from newegg.

 

POWERLINE NETGEAR|XET1001-100NAR

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: ralph mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 2:23 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (notthe failedpower companyBPL 
trials)

 

That’s what I’m looking for, Jay.

 

When I say “Master”, I mean the one functioning as the backhaul to my network. 

One master on the pole (in the case of MuniWiFi enhancement)  (or in the 
rafters of the covered dock in a marina application) and a number of slaves on 
the boats or in housed, all on the same secondary.  Our marinas have 
transformers on shore and 60-70 boat slips on the single phase secondary. I 
could do the whole dock with 2 masters.

 

Of course to have a n Ethernet manageable one would be the cat’s meow. Then we 
could authorize the subscribers individually, like a CATV CMTS.

 

But since  our network is run as a hotspot the size of half a state, they still 
have to get past the captive portal anyway so that’s why Manageable is just 
something really nice but not required.

 

The WiFi works pretty well in the boats, but some of these yachts have 
basements that the WiFi doesn’t get into or the boats are so big (120-150ft) 
the coverage is poor.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 2:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failedpower companyBPL 
trials)

 

 

I'll look them up next week - yes - had as many as four connected.  There was 
no master unit, it was all one big bridge, like having them all on a switch

 

- Original Message - 

From: ralph mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failedpower companyBPL 
trials)

 

Thanks Jay.

Did you ever try to get more than one remote to connect to a master without 
doing anything special?

That’s my ultimate goal. And do you remember the model unit you used?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:43 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power companyBPL 
trials)

 

 

Ralph - pretty sure we used the netgear model units and they did not require 
anything more than plug and pray.  Worked great.

 

- Original Message - 

From: ralph mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  

To: 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org  

Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power companyBPL 
trials)

 

Then you may not be talking about what I am talking about.

I think it may have been Duke Power who did some of the 1st generation 
trial/pilots I speak of.  It was quite a while ago,  It was too expensive, 
didn’t work well, and, well, yes it certainly did interfere with licensed users 
(Ham Radio and International broadcasters). It is a part 15 service. It 
transmits on unshielded wires on approximately 2-30 MHz. This covers almost all 
low frequency Ham bands, International broadcast

[WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power company BPL trials)

[ralph]

I am writing this because I just read an old thread from around 9/20/13 on
AFMUG in which BPL was being discussed.  

I'm no longer on that list due to the amount of traffic, but I'd like to
discuss it more here.

 

 

A.  The failed power company BPL trials were a unique technology.
However the frequencies used were not compatible with both Amateur Radio and
with International broadcasters. They were shut down due to much lobbying
from both groups as well as several technical and economic challenges.   It
also still required WiFi of some type to get the signal from the
pole/transformer to the end user. Good riddance to them and their noisy
interference!

 

B.  But the technology that has proven to be useful is more localized:
Home Power Line Networking. Check out https://www.homeplug.org/home/

 

There is a lot of potential for us in these devices.

 

 

They originally began as Home Plug which carried data at up to at 14 Mbps
back in 2001.

 

They have a newer, more robust standard called Homeplug AV and supposedly is
good for 200 Mbps. We have tested them for a year and have been (or plan to
be) experimenting with several applications:

 

1.  We do a lot of Marinas. We already have our WiFi APs plugged in to
AC at each dock. We will use HPAV to deliver hardwired connectivity to
those who don't want to use WiFi.

 

2.  We do Muni WiFi. Since we are already on the poles and have access
to the power company secondary, we may plug in a unit along with our other
devices in the box on the pole.  This will allow us to deliver hardwire
connectivity to at least half the houses on that transformer.  So in a lot
of cases it will be useful.

 

3.  We do MDUs. Same rationale as #2, but equipment closets instead of
poles.

 

Yes we know all about the transformer issue. It will eliminate some
potential users, but we are on a lot of poles and in a lot of closets. In
some cases we can access both legs of the single phase line anyway.

 

We can send the customer to many places both local and online to get their
home unit.

 

Here is the only rub:

 

All the units I have tried require the two units to be married You can
have many units on a network but their security requires the users to
press a button to synch the with the master one. This is actually setting an
AES security key And you have to press a button on the master each time you
add a remote. I am calling them master and remote here, but the units are
identical. I'm using the term to differentiate between the home unit and the
one on the pole. Someone did tell me of a set they tried that just worked 

 

In most of my applications, the AES security does not matter- remember the
core system is an open WiFi network anyway.  I would rather users be able to
use a simple, easy to obtain unit. With the newer paired units having that
preset, it may knock out some flexibility. These may be what the person
referenced above may have had.

 

What I really want to see a manufacturer come out with is a manageable unit
we can put as the base.  Similar to  a WiFi AP, we could do authorizing
(similar to MAC authentication or like DOCSIS cable modems are remotely
activated with the CMTS) of remote devices on the same line.  Customer plugs
in, calls up, gives address of  his unit and we authorize it. If they don't
pay, they get shut off. 

 

Of course we could stock and ship units that were preset with our AES code,
but it would be a nightmare keeping all that straight as well as an
investment in equipment we wouldn't want to make.  

 

As I said, there is lots of potential in Home Plug AV  right now, and even
more if the equipment becomes a little more flexible.  I'm just putting the
ideas out there.  

 

Anyone else using them or planning to use them in novel ways.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power company BPL trials)

[ralph]

.

 

What a loss... what a waste... this is a hidden story where the funding 
(granting) agency should have been hung.

 

As for home automation... this stuff has been around for many years. Using 
Radio Shack control switches, I automated a home in the early 80s. I 
deautomated it in the early 90s before selling the house the reason... 
after a few short years, most control units had been fried from normal surges 
in the electric system (storms).

 

 

On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org 
mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  wrote:

I am writing this because I just read an old thread from around 9/20/13 on 
AFMUG in which BPL was being discussed.  

I’m no longer on that list due to the amount of traffic, but I’d like to 
discuss it more here.

 

 

A.  The failed power company BPL trials were a unique technology.  However 
the frequencies used were not compatible with both Amateur Radio and with 
International broadcasters. They were shut down due to much lobbying from both 
groups as well as several technical and economic challenges.   It also still 
required WiFi of some type to get the signal from the pole/transformer to the 
end user. Good riddance to them and their noisy interference!

 

B.  But the technology that has proven to be useful is more localized: Home 
Power Line Networking. Check out  https://www.homeplug.org/home/ 
https://www.homeplug.org/home/

 

There is a lot of potential for us in these devices.

 

 

They originally began as “Home Plug” which carried data at up to at 14 Mbps 
back in 2001.

 

They have a newer, more robust standard called Homeplug AV and supposedly is 
good for 200 Mbps. We have tested them for a year and have been (or plan to be) 
experimenting with several applications:

 

1.  We do a lot of Marinas. We already have our WiFi APs plugged in to AC 
at each dock. We will use HPAV to deliver “hardwired” connectivity to those who 
don’t want to use WiFi.

 

2.  We do Muni WiFi. Since we are already on the poles and have access to 
the power company secondary, we may plug in a unit along with our other devices 
in the box on the pole.  This will allow us to deliver “hardwire” connectivity 
to at least half the houses on that transformer.  So in a lot of cases it will 
be useful.

 

3.  We do MDUs. Same rationale as #2, but equipment closets instead of 
poles.

 

Yes we know all about the transformer issue. It will eliminate some potential 
users, but we are on a lot of poles and in a lot of closets. In some cases we 
can access both legs of the single phase line anyway.

 

We can send the customer to many places both local and online to get their home 
unit.

 

Here is the only rub:

 

All the units I have tried require the two units to be “married” You can have 
many units on a “network” but their security requires the users to press a 
button to synch the with the master one. This is actually setting an AES 
security key And you have to press a button on the master each time you add a 
remote. I am calling them master and remote here, but the units are identical. 
I’m using the term to differentiate between the home unit and the one on the 
pole. Someone did tell me of a set they tried that “just worked” 

 

In most of my applications, the AES security does not matter- remember the core 
system is an open WiFi network anyway.  I would rather users be able to use a 
simple, easy to obtain unit. With the newer paired units having that preset, it 
may knock out some flexibility. These may be what the person referenced above 
may have had.

 

What I really want to see a manufacturer come out with is a manageable unit we 
can put as the “base”.  Similar to  a WiFi AP, we could do authorizing (similar 
to MAC authentication or like DOCSIS cable modems are remotely activated with 
the CMTS) of remote devices on the same line.  Customer plugs in, calls up, 
gives address of  his unit and we authorize it. If they don’t pay, they get 
shut off. 

 

Of course we could stock and ship units that were preset with our AES code, but 
it would be a nightmare keeping all that straight as well as an investment in 
equipment we wouldn’t want to make.  

 

As I said, there is lots of potential in Home Plug AV  right now, and even more 
if the equipment becomes a little more flexible.  I’m just putting the ideas 
out there.  

 

Anyone else using them or planning to use them in novel ways.

 


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Re: [WISPA] Allot equipment

[ralph]

Can the PFsense box do any analysis of traffic, say to detect torrent or 
Netflix, etc like Procera can?

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of timothy steele
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Cc: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Allot equipment

 

You can do the same thing for free using a pfsense box as a proxy server

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Tyson Shreeves ty...@wigi.us 
mailto:ty...@wigi.us  wrote:

We have been looking at a setup from Allot networks.  The setup is called a net 
enforcer, netxplorer, and a SMP server.  Its a bandwidth management solution, 
but what interested me the most was the ability to cache videos and prioritize 
different web traffic to optimize streaming movies.  Any experiences with this 
equipment or information would be greatly appreciated from another wisp.  

 

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Re: [WISPA] Allot equipment

[ralph]

I spoke to Procera at the SCTE show.

They are considering a software-only version for really small operators.

Procera is awesome but just too darn expensive any other way.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 5:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Allot equipment

 

I have looked at Allot and Procera, IMO, Procera is far superior. 

  _  

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mailto:aajayi...@as-technologies.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 4:19 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Allot equipment

Will of sense do bandwidth management based on IP or username.

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On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Tyson Shreeves ty...@wigi.us
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We have been looking at a setup from Allot networks.  The setup is called a
net enforcer, netxplorer, and a SMP server.  Its a bandwidth management
solution, but what interested me the most was the ability to cache videos
and prioritize different web traffic to optimize streaming movies.  Any
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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot/Billing/AAA options?

[ralph]

Julius- from what I heard, they are don’t allow different rates per portal. All 
fees have to be the same, everywhere.

Is that true?   

I have corresponded with them and they seem to only do Email, won’t get on the 
phone, and the communication with them was difficult due to what I perceived as 
a language barrier.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Julius Igugu
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 3:31 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot/Billing/AAA options?

 

Hello,

 

Radius Manager with Mikrotik Hospot should handle multiple portals.

 

Julius Igugu.

 

 

Sent from Samsung tablet


ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  wrote:



We have multiple hotspots, each with a customized portal.

 

Anyone using DMA Softlabs RADIUS Manager for their hotspots?

How about the Gatespot system that Butch sells? 

(I spoke on the phone to a couple of Gatespot users already but I don’t think 
they used customized portals)

I don’t think Mikrotik User Manager even does multiple portals, but please let 
me know if you are using it for that.

 

What do you think of them?

Know of any others?

 

 

Ralph

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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider

[ralph]

Finally! Someone who understands what I am talking about. 
We have been treating our entire WISP network as a giant hotspot since 2005
or 2006.
Doing it this way relieves us of having to bill people. They pay with their
card in advance after their interval has expired.
Depending on the location it could be

1 hour
1 day
3 days
1 week
1 month
3 months
1 year

To try to do that manually would be a nightmare, not to mention still having
to process charges, checks, beads, wampum, or whatever else.

On our muni mesh networks we give the City a commission already. Same for
our marinas. Someone on another list suggested hotspotsystems.com and
implied that it would be a great solution. All they want is 25% of my
company's GROSS income. No thank you.

Wireless Orbit fits the bill pretty well. Has a few features missing that I
would like. 
I have the opportunity to buy the thing and run it myself, and after some of
the other solutions I see people trying to sell out there, it is tempting.

It would be interesting to see where Billmax is with their solution as well.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Bill Schoolfield
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal
provider

Sorry to jump in on this thread. Someone else called it to my attention and
thought we might have something to say about it.

To those that have suggested that why not roll your own; Yes this can be
done but there are lots of pieces to the puzzle to fit together and if is
not your core competency or your haven't the time then a operator may be
better off farming out this part of their business to someone with a canned
solution.

We are fairly familiar with the issues involved as we are just rolling out
some sites just as you described. Ie. Using hotspots as a means to control
access for subscribers as well as use for their traditional purpose.

If you roll your own you will need at a minimum: routers that includes
Hotspot functionality, radius, radius hooks to control timeouts, integration
with a billing system and payment processor, customer portal, and support
for vouchers or prepaid cards.

Our solution and those of some our competitors include these components. 
Traditional hotspot systems don't really do long-lived subscriber management
well if at all.

Some one mentioned MAC auth; the Mikrotik hotspot does this. It is essential
for using a hotspot as a controller for your subscribers as login is
transparent and non intrusive.

Regards,

Bill Schoolfield
BillMax Billing Solutions

On 11/20/2013 6:26 PM, ralph wrote:
 Scott, maybe you are talking about some of these services that charge 
 you per user and take a cut.

 That isn't what W.O. did or what we want, either.

 I do not mind paying someone a flat rate to handle my RADIUS requests, 
 bandwidth control, and payments via my authorize.net account.  I also 
 do not mind BUYING a system to host in my data center.

 I am not a web designer or database designer though, so I won't be 
 writing a system.

 We acquired another company who had a crude system with one rate plan 
 that just used scripts to modify router ACLs.

 W.O. was way ahead of that.

 These are not just random hotspots in coffee shops, etc. It is the way 
 the majority of my customers are processed. The entire wireless 
 network, towers, mesh networks, etc. is handled like a giant hotspot.

 Are you interested in doing it?

 *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:42 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new 
 portal provider

 You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a 
 website  Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up?  
 Use mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server.  Then you 
 write the code...  its a little bit of work but then you control it 
 completely and can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose.

 Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and 
 maintain it...

 Scott Carullo
 Technical Operations
 855-FLSPEED x102

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 *From*: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
 *Sent*: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:27 PM
 *To*: j...@mvn.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new 
 portal provider

 I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I 
 have been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them 
 there.  Last week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as 
 well as to set up the system in my data center.

 There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about 
 acquiring the business.

 We are also looking

Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider

[ralph]

I wasn't given a reason.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal
provider

 

Can you share why Wireless Orbit is shutting down?





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 12:26 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  wrote:

I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have
been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there.  Last
week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up
the system in my data center.

 

There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about
acquiring the business.

 

We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM
version to run the system for $1000.00.

Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit.

 

Ralph

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal
provider

 

Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you
have contact information for them?

John Scrivner

 

 

 

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  wrote:

We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for
years.
Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks.

Who is using something they can recommend?

Requirements:

Work with Mikrotik hotspot.
Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings,
login pages, etc.
Handles various payment plans and time limits.
Supports Authorize.net
Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do.

Nice to haves:
Can support auto login by MAC
Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account.
Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If
limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use
all 6 Mbps simultaneously.)

MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals
Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take
custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking.

Thanks

Ralph


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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider

[ralph]

Didn't we go through this with them already though.
Lacks some important feature I can't remember.
Maybe it was multiple, different payment plans for multiple different
hotspots or something else. 
Perhaps it was not having MAC authentication for browserless devices that
tied back to the user's main account and aggregated their bandwidth to not
go over an allocated speed.

I just can't remember.


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 1:21 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org; Eje Gustaffson
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal
provider

On 11/19/2013 05:42 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:
 You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a 
 website  Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up?  
 Use mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server.  Then you 
 write the code...  its a little bit of work but then you control it 
 completely and can attach to any merchant account / bank you choose.

 Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and 
 maintain it...

WISP-Router has a system for this purpose, too.  Just runs on a linux server
and handles both authentication and signup.  Supports multiple payment
backends.  PLUS, WISP-Router is a vendor member of WISPA.  The system is
called Gatespot and can be found here:
http://store.wisp-router.com/GateSpot

I'm not sure, but he may have a hosted service as well.

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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider

[ralph]

Scott, maybe you are talking about some of these services that charge you
per user and take a cut.

That isn't what W.O. did or what we want, either.

 

I do not mind paying someone a flat rate to handle my RADIUS requests,
bandwidth control, and payments via my authorize.net account.  I also do not
mind BUYING a system to host in my data center.

 

I am not a web designer or database designer though, so I won't be writing a
system.

We acquired another company who had a crude system with one rate plan that
just used scripts to modify router ACLs. 

W.O. was way ahead of that.

 

These are not just random hotspots in coffee shops, etc. It is the way the
majority of my customers are processed. The entire wireless network, towers,
mesh networks, etc. is handled like a giant hotspot.

 

Are you interested in doing it?

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 6:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal
provider

 

You really should do this yourself, especially if you can program a
website  Why pay someone else every day as your users sign up?  Use
mikrotik hotspot, clear box radius and a sql server.  Then you write the
code...  its a little bit of work but then you control it completely and can
attach to any merchant account / bank you choose.

Or you could pay someone to set up your own then you still own and maintain
it...

Scott Carullo
Technical Operations
855-FLSPEED x102



 

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From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 12:27 PM
To: j...@mvn.net, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal
provider

I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have
been with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there.  Last
week he did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up
the system in my data center.

 

There's at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about
acquiring the business.

 

We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM
version to run the system for $1000.00.

Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit.

 

Ralph

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal
provider

 

Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you
have contact information for them?

John Scrivner

 

 

 

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  wrote:

We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for
years.
Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks.

Who is using something they can recommend?

Requirements:

Work with Mikrotik hotspot.
Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings,
login pages, etc.
Handles various payment plans and time limits.
Supports Authorize.net
Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do.

Nice to haves:
Can support auto login by MAC
Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account.
Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If
limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use
all 6 Mbps simultaneously.)

MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals
Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take
custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking.

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider

[ralph]

I have the contact info for the Owner/CoFounder of Wireless Orbit. I have been 
with them since they started in Palo Alto. I visited them there.  Last week he 
did offer to sell me the Intellectual Property as well as to set up the system 
in my data center.

 

There’s at least one member (besides us) who is talking to them about acquiring 
the business.

 

We are also looking at WiFiRush (formerly WiFiCPA). We can buy the VM version 
to run the system for $1000.00.

Looks like it does a little more than Wireless Orbit.

 

Ralph

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of John Scrivner
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 2:17 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider

 

Perhaps you could contact them to see about acquiring their business? Do you 
have contact information for them?

John Scrivner

 

 

 

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:36 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org 
mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  wrote:

We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for
years.
Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks.

Who is using something they can recommend?

Requirements:

Work with Mikrotik hotspot.
Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings,
login pages, etc.
Handles various payment plans and time limits.
Supports Authorize.net
Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do.

Nice to haves:
Can support auto login by MAC
Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account.
Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If
limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use
all 6 Mbps simultaneously.)

MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals
Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take
custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking.

Thanks

Ralph


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[WISPA] Wireless Orbit closing. Interested in new portal provider

[ralph]

We've been using Wireless Orbit for our captive portal AAA and payments for
years.
Now they drop the bombshell that they will be closing in 2 weeks.

Who is using something they can recommend?

Requirements:

Work with Mikrotik hotspot.
Handles multiple locations, all different with different rules, settings,
login pages, etc.
Handles various payment plans and time limits.
Supports Authorize.net
Preferably has a flat cost, not a percentage like many of them do.

Nice to haves:
Can support auto login by MAC
Allows users to associate browserless devices with their account.
Aggregates simultaneous usage against the maximum set bandwidth (ie. If
limit is 6 Mbps down and they have 4 devices running, each device can't use
all 6 Mbps simultaneously.)

MT User Manager is not an option- doesn't do multiple portals
Not sure if the one Butch Evans sells will do it, I think the portals take
custom code by the author to implement/change, but I am open to looking.

Thanks

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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[ralph]

 in addition to the 2Ghz ones
 (they run dual band APs now).

 Scott Carullo
 Technical Operations
 855-FLSPEED x102






 *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com javascript:; 
 mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com javascript:; 
 *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
 *To*: wireless@wispa.org javascript:;
mailto:wireless@wispa.org javascript:; 
 *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

 What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
 spectrum...[/sarcasm off]

 On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:

 I hope the links at the bottom come through.


---



 Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to
 power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to
 deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of
 Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy
 and Commerce hearing on Wednesday.



 Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has
 expanded the number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity
 high-speed Internet customers to 350,000. The nation's
 largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless gateways
 from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be
 able to power millions of neighborhood hotspots.



 While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel
 said it needs more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand
 from subscribers for Wi-Fi. It faces potential opposition
 from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers who want to
 use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car
 applications, including applications that would warn drivers
 of collision threats.



 Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns
 about possible interference from Wi-Fi services at
 Wednesday's hearing.  We have been actively engaged with
 the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are exploring
 possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of
 harmful interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not
 there yet and it's going to take a bit more time to see if
 we can get there, Kenney said in his prepared testimony.



 For more:
 - see Nagel's prepared testimony
 http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207
http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0
j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0
ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OT
g3S0rt=0 (.pdf)
 - see Kenney's prepared testimony
 http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187
http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0
j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0
ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OT
g3S0rt=0 (.pdf)
 - see Comcast blog post
 http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118
http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0
j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0
ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OT
g3S0rt=0
 - /Broadcasting  Cable/ has this story
 http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190
http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0
j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0
ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0j=MTc5NzA2O
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Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[ralph]

@wispa.org 
   *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

   One good thing about the higher bands and the noise floor is that
   free space loss works to your advantage. That being that a 5 GHz
   indoor Omni home AP router signal will fall off as an interference
   source as a much shorter distance than a 2.4 GHz device will. The
   laws of physics work in your favor.



   Thank You,

   Brian Webster

   www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com
http://www.wirelessmapping.com

   www.Broadband-Mapping.com http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com
http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com



   *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
   mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
   [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
   mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *Scott Carullo
   *Sent:* Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:52 PM
   *To:* Matt Hoppes; sc...@brevardwireless.com
mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com 
   mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com ; WISPA General List
   *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.



   Hard to tell, noise floor is noise floor which keeps creeping up -
   we all know things work better when its quiet.  This used to worry
   me a lot when I saw it coming, but then I realized it was already
   there and I had no idea until I just happened to scan on some
radios
   (I don't usually install the stuff).  I'm not worried any more, if
   its not one thing it will be another any way.  Thats what gives us
   the edge every day, flexibility.  We will work around it, we
always do.

   I figure a high gain antenna on a tower with a good directional
CPE
   will continue to work fine.  Their omni low gain antenna can't
   compete with a 20-30db directional one.  Still sucks though, you
   drive down the street and see one after another running 5Ghz just
   knowing there probably isn't 3 connections in the whole city to
them

   Scott Carullo
   Technical Operations
   855-FLSPEED x102






   *From*: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com 
   mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com 
   *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 6:43 PM
   *To*: sc...@brevardwireless.com
mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com  mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com 
   sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com ,
   WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org  mailto:wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
   *Cc*: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
   mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
   *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

   Are you seeing any impact from them?


   On Nov 14, 2013, at 18:03, Scott Carullo
   sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com
mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com mailto:sc...@brevardwireless.com 
wrote:

   Yeah, won't matter either way with a 5Ghz AP on every street
   corner.  Already seeing that in our areas  do a wireless
   scan and you see 354 5Ghz APs now in addition to the 2Ghz ones
   (they run dual band APs now).

   Scott Carullo
   Technical Operations
   855-FLSPEED x102






   *From*: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com
mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com 
   mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com
mailto:bcl...@spectraaccess.com 
   *Sent*: Thursday, November 14, 2013 5:49 PM
   *To*: wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org 
   *Subject*: Re: [WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz
spectrum.

   What could go wrong with Comcast taking up yet more 5GHz of
   spectrum...[/sarcasm off]

   On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, ralph wrote:

   I hope the links at the bottom come through.


---



   Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band
to
   power next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it
to
   deliver wireless broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP
of
   Business Development Tom Nagel testified at a House Energy
   and Commerce hearing on Wednesday.



   Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has
   expanded the number of Wi

[WISPA] Comcast asking FCC for more 5GHz spectrum.

[ralph]

I hope the links at the bottom come through.

---

 

Comcast needs the FCC to open up the 5 GHz spectrum band to power
next-generation Wi-Fi services that could allow it to deliver wireless
broadband at speeds of up to 1 Gbps, SVP of Business Development Tom Nagel
testified at a House Energy and Commerce hearing on Wednesday. 

 

Nagel disclosed in his prepared testimony that Comcast has expanded the
number of Wi-Fi access points for Xfinity high-speed Internet customers to
350,000. The nation's largest cable MSO also began deploying wireless
gateways from Cisco earlier this year that Comcast has said may be able to
power millions of neighborhood hotspots.

 

While Comcast already is already using the 5 GHz band, Nagel said it needs
more of the unlicensed spectrum to meet demand from subscribers for Wi-Fi.
It faces potential opposition from Toyota and other automobile manufacturers
who want to use the 5 GHz band to deliver next-generation connected car
applications, including applications that would warn drivers of collision
threats.

 

Toyota principal researcher John Kenney raised concerns about possible
interference from Wi-Fi services at Wednesday's hearing.  We have been
actively engaged with the Wi-Fi community and other stakeholders who are
exploring possible sharing solutions that will alleviate any risk of harmful
interference from unlicensed devices. But we're not there yet and it's going
to take a bit more time to see if we can get there, Kenney said in his
prepared testimony.

 

For more:
- see Nagel's prepared testimony
http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=207ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0
j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0  (.pdf)
- see Kenney's prepared testimony
http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=187ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0
j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0  (.pdf)
- see Comcast blog post
http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=118ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0
j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 
- Broadcasting  Cable has this story
http://links.mkt1985.com/ctt?kn=190ms=NzE0MjgxOQS2r=NDc2MTk4ODcyMzcS1b=0
j=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0mt=2rj=MTc5NzA2OTg3S0rt=0 

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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik launches CCR Router with SFP+ ports

[ralph]

Yes, me too!

Wonder if they bothered to get them FCC certified.

 

And is a telling factor the model number: QRT ?  (If you are a Ham, you will
get it, in not, Google it)

 

Ralph

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 11:24 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik launches CCR Router with SFP+ ports

 

The Rocket and Powerbridge made me laugh.

 

I'm guessing SFP couldn't do 10G and SFP+ can?





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com  wrote:

http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MUM_2013_US

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:47 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik launches CCR Router with SFP+ ports

 

Link / URL for this router?  Specs?

 

Brad

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 9:20 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik launches CCR Router with SFP+ ports

 

CCR1036-8G-2S+

 

2 SFP+ Ports 

 

Gino A. Villarini

g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com 

Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.

787.273.4143 tel:787.273.4143 


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Re: [WISPA] 802.11 and roaming

[ralph]

Agreed -.Blair must have been using autonomous APs.

 

I have done Cisco outdoor installs with as many as 300 APs, CAPWAP based. These 
were mesh. Roaming went great. The City Manager drove with me in the car whilst 
streaming video, talking on VoIP and doing Email simultaneously.

She didn’t notice a single interruption.

 

I’m not saying that Cisco hung the moon, and they are horrendously overpriced, 
but their controller based architecture works well- especially if your 
backhauls are hardwired.  It is too bad UBNT has not figured out how to do 
mesh, and doesn’t appear to be interested. It would be so much nicer in our 
City-Wide deployments to not have to use $3,000.00 Tropos or Cisco APs!

 

Ralph

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of John Thomas
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 2:47 AM
To: WISPA General List; Blair Davis
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.11 and roaming

 

It sounds like you didn't try Cisco CAPWAP controller based APs. You have very 
fine control of how they roam.

John

Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net  wrote:

I've tried MikroTik.

I've tried Cisco.

I've tried UniFi.

I pretty much don't think there is a working way to roam from AP to AP with 
802.11 in an open system.

The client holds on to the weak AP long after there are stronger AP's to talk 
to.

I think this is just the way it works.

Now, we are giving each AP a unique ESSID but keeping them bridged on the wired 
side and requiring the user to change the connection when out of range...

Not the best answer, but it works much better for the clients who don't move 
much...  I'd love a better answer...




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Re: [WISPA] 802.11 and roaming

[ralph]

None in particular. I just gave the info that this particular one was a mesh.

 

This was a City Wide system without means to get backhaul to each radio, so 
backhaul was furnished to selected radios that had LOS to out PtMP sectors on 
the tower.  Those radios were set as “RAPs” or “Gateways”.  All the other 
radios formed a mesh using each other and the Gateway ones.

 

I did another system out in Silicon Valley. This was Tropos. Customer could 
drive at full speed down I-880 and not miss a beat, that we could tell.

 

Perhaps it is the difference in radios that were designed to do that , and 
carry a price tag to show for it, vs. the more inexpensive hardware.  Perhaps 
it was just the software.  I just know it worked great.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 4:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.11 and roaming

 

What advantage does mesh have over fast-handoff or other roaming technologies?



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http://www.ics-il.com

 

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From: ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org , 
Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net 
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 3:53:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.11 and roaming

Agreed -.Blair must have been using autonomous APs.

 

I have done Cisco outdoor installs with as many as 300 APs, CAPWAP based. These 
were mesh. Roaming went great. The City Manager drove with me in the car whilst 
streaming video, talking on VoIP and doing Email simultaneously.

She didn’t notice a single interruption.

 

I’m not saying that Cisco hung the moon, and they are horrendously overpriced, 
but their controller based architecture works well- especially if your 
backhauls are hardwired.  It is too bad UBNT has not figured out how to do 
mesh, and doesn’t appear to be interested. It would be so much nicer in our 
City-Wide deployments to not have to use $3,000.00 Tropos or Cisco APs!

 

Ralph

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org  
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Thomas
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 2:47 AM
To: WISPA General List; Blair Davis
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.11 and roaming

 

It sounds like you didn't try Cisco CAPWAP controller based APs. You have very 
fine control of how they roam.

John

Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net mailto:the...@wmwisp.net  wrote:

I've tried MikroTik.

I've tried Cisco.

I've tried UniFi.

I pretty much don't think there is a working way to roam from AP to AP with 
802.11 in an open system.

The client holds on to the weak AP long after there are stronger AP's to talk 
to.

I think this is just the way it works.

Now, we are giving each AP a unique ESSID but keeping them bridged on the wired 
side and requiring the user to change the connection when out of range...

Not the best answer, but it works much better for the clients who don't move 
much...  I'd love a better answer...



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Re: [WISPA] Dayton Hamvention- any other WISPs going?

[ralph]

Well if you make it back Josh, stop in.

We aren't sure what the evenings plans are yet but I'd like to meet you.

 

I will look up Qtenna Steve in the boneyard.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:04 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dayton Hamvention- any other WISPs going?

 

I went once and that was enough for me.  I'm about 10 minutes away from it.
If there's a group interested in getting together I'll find some places to
go.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:42 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  wrote:

Well it is that time again...

Dayton Hamvention 2013.
Since many fellow WISPS are also Hams, or they like to go to our events, I
thought I would make my yearly posting.

This year, about 30,000 Ham Radio operators from around the World will
converge on the Hara Arena in Dayton Ohio.  Among all the regular things you
might expect is the famous Fleamarket/Boneyard.   There will be thousands of
outside exhibitors there with all sorts of things related to radio and
wireless.

My Ham groups (Big Shanty Repeater Group and Atlanta Amateur Television)
will again be in spaces 3829,3830,3831,3832.  We also take all the surplus
gear from our WISP and make it available as well.
This year we will have lots of Ubiquiti (pre-M series), some Canopy, some
Ligowave/Deliberant and of course the Pepwave Surf 200s, which are very
popular.

If you are planning to attend, please stop by and meet us/talk shop.   I
will be there Thursday afternoon (not open to public) as well as Friday and
Saturday all day. If you are going, please drop me an Email.

For Hamvention details:  http://hamvention.org


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[WISPA] Dayton Hamvention- any other WISPs going?

[ralph]

Well it is that time again...

Dayton Hamvention 2013.
Since many fellow WISPS are also Hams, or they like to go to our events, I
thought I would make my yearly posting.

This year, about 30,000 Ham Radio operators from around the World will
converge on the Hara Arena in Dayton Ohio.  Among all the regular things you
might expect is the famous Fleamarket/Boneyard.   There will be thousands of
outside exhibitors there with all sorts of things related to radio and
wireless.

My Ham groups (Big Shanty Repeater Group and Atlanta Amateur Television)
will again be in spaces 3829,3830,3831,3832.  We also take all the surplus
gear from our WISP and make it available as well.
This year we will have lots of Ubiquiti (pre-M series), some Canopy, some
Ligowave/Deliberant and of course the Pepwave Surf 200s, which are very
popular.  

If you are planning to attend, please stop by and meet us/talk shop.   I
will be there Thursday afternoon (not open to public) as well as Friday and
Saturday all day. If you are going, please drop me an Email.

For Hamvention details:  http://hamvention.org


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[WISPA] Dayton Hamvention- any other WISPs going?

[Ralph]

Well it is that time again...

Dayton Hamvention 2013.
Since many fellow WISPS are also Hams, or they like to go to our events, I
thought I would make my yearly posting.

This year, about 30,000 Ham Radio operators from around the World will
converge on the Hara Arena in Dayton Ohio.  Among all the regular things you
might expect is the famous Fleamarket/Boneyard.   There will be thousands of
outside exhibitors there with all sorts of things related to radio and
wireless.

My Ham groups (Big Shanty Repeater Group and Atlanta Amateur Television)
will again be in spaces 3829,3830,3831,3832.  We also take all the surplus
gear from our WISP and make it available as well.
This year we will have lots of Ubiquiti (pre-M series), some Canopy, some
Ligowave/Deliberant and of course the Pepwave Surf 200s, which are very
popular.  

If you are planning to attend, please stop by and meet us/talk shop.   I
will be there Thursday afternoon (not open to public) as well as Friday and
Saturday all day. If you are going, please drop me an Email.

For Hamvention details:  http://hamvention.org


Ralph
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Re: [WISPA] Waterproofing the NanoBridge

[ralph]

Oops, I typed all this up before I read the OP again and saw it was about
NanoBridges and not NanoStations.

But I was proud of it, so I'm sending it anyway. lol

 

 

 

The first step in waterproofing the NanoStation is:

 

NEVER, NEVER, EVER, EVER use that stupid white wire tie they come with to
mount it!

The foil tape holding it folded is worth more that the wire tie itself.
Come to think of it, I should have gotten a roll of the foil tape and used
it for mounting.

 

If you use the white one, you will be back in 3 years and the Nano will be
hanging upside down by its wire, filled with water.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waterproofing the NanoBridge

 

I know we've seen it with our limited Picos and Nanobridges.  The sticker
covering the LED hole lets water in =(




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com  wrote:

Say what?  NanoBridges are pretty much an all-in-one piece of plastic...
shouldn't be anything to water proof.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312 tel:%2B1%20%28570%29%20723-7312 


On 4/16/13 1:08 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
 Because of the problems I have had with the Bullets, I wonder if there
 is any thing I should do to waterproof  the NB's?
 Thanx
 NGL

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Re: [WISPA] Waterproofing the NanoBridge

[ralph]

Of course they are black now.

But they were white when they were white.

And black (allegedly UV resistant) ties are used outdoors a lot, for many
things.

Bet you even have some on your tower. 

And yes, we use hose clamps.  The tie is a pointless inclusion in the
packaging.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 6:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waterproofing the NanoBridge

 

First off they're black now.  Have been for some time.

Secondly, who uses zip ties outdoors?!

I have a radio on the roof pointing home.  I just went up there today to
look at our stuff and saw it had rotated 90 off.  Using two of those zip
ties.  Turns out it happened around Christmas, but today I hose clamped it
as it should be.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Apr 16, 2013 6:51 PM, ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
mailto:ralphli...@bsrg.org  wrote:

Oops, I typed all this up before I read the OP again and saw it was about
NanoBridges and not NanoStations.

But I was proud of it, so I'm sending it anyway. lol

 

 

 

The first step in waterproofing the NanoStation is:

 

NEVER, NEVER, EVER, EVER use that stupid white wire tie they come with to
mount it!

The foil tape holding it folded is worth more that the wire tie itself.
Come to think of it, I should have gotten a roll of the foil tape and used
it for mounting.

 

If you use the white one, you will be back in 3 years and the Nano will be
hanging upside down by its wire, filled with water.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:15 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Waterproofing the NanoBridge

 

I know we've seen it with our limited Picos and Nanobridges.  The sticker
covering the LED hole lets water in =(




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com  wrote:

Say what?  NanoBridges are pretty much an all-in-one piece of plastic...
shouldn't be anything to water proof.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
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On 4/16/13 1:08 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
 Because of the problems I have had with the Bullets, I wonder if there
 is any thing I should do to waterproof  the NB's?
 Thanx
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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot/Billing/AAA options?

[ralph]

Thanks for that info, Paolo.
One rate plan would never work for us, that is for sure.
And DMA's support seems like it may all be only via Email, and probably from
a time zone well ahead of ours.

Wireless Orbit informed me yesterday that their Version 3 system is almost
ready for release. It has a lot of what we wanted added, so we may wait for
that. 

Ralph
Brightlan

-Original Message-
From: Paolo Di Francesco 
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 6:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot/Billing/AAA options?

Hi Ralph

regarding the DMA Softlabs RADIUS Manager, it works with just one tariff
profile.
If you have multiple hotspots or things like that, it's not very flexible.

Also take into account that a customized portal, it's not difficult to
achieve if you store the portal (the code) on the mikrotik. But obviously
the plan management would be complex if all those portals have different
plan (or you have to reverse the revenues on somebody)

Therefore if it's just different portals all with the same tarif plan, you
can use that product just simply customizing the hotspot html code on the
mikrotik, but you would have the code spread all over the routers which does
not sound a good idea

Paolo


 We have multiple hotspots, each with a customized portal.

 Anyone using DMA Softlabs RADIUS Manager for their hotspots?

 How about the Gatespot system that Butch sells?

 (I spoke on the phone to a couple of Gatespot users already but I 
 don't think they used customized portals)

 I don't think Mikrotik User Manager even does multiple portals, but 
 please let me know if you are using it for that.

 What do you think of them?

 Know of any others?

 Ralph

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Re: [WISPA] Hotspot/Billing/AAA options?

[ralph]

Thanks for the great comparison, Butch.
You and I talked a couple of years ago about Gatespot.

I did some searching and actually ran across some Gatespot systems in use.  I 
then spoke to the operators of them.
None of them seemed to use it heavily and not really for the type of use we 
have, and to be quite honest, the screens I saw were pretty unimpressive.
Mostly just a blank page with some fill-in blocks in an odd looking font- very 
similar to the Gatespot demo pages.  I don't say that ours (which are a 
template from Wireless Orbit) are works of art, but they aren't bad and they 
are easy to customize ourselves. 

I don't doubt that is can be very customizable and heard lots of great comments 
about Eje and his support and eagerness to help, but also I heard that most 
customization HAD to be done by him.  Maybe that user just didn't want to do 
the php code?  That's OK, as long as Eje's available, but it sort of locks us 
into a corner- especially if we have a need that is more immediate than he can 
support.

I would love to see a Gatespot application where the owner has done some 
customization and has really nice looking screens for the customer side.
Butch, if you can help us find a user who has really got a good example of 
Gatespot in use, please help us make contact.

For those systems who actually put the login templates on the Mikrotik instead 
of redirecting like Wireless Orbit does, I saw some very nice ones on the MT 
forum. Of course no one helps out by sharing their code.  We have one location 
where we provide a public free access 35 AP Tropos Muni-Mesh run by a Mikrotik 
hotspot. It uses the Mikrotik trial login feature with some code change to 
hide the signup part and just require a click acceptance of terms and 
conditions.  I wrote the initial page and embedded the MT secret sauce and 
then gave it to the customer's web designer. They then applied the 
organization's look and feel and the thing came out looking   darn nice! They 
even made a mobile version for phones.  It is a great success.  Incidentally, 
it uses Mikrotik's  cookies to allow the users to revisit with their devices 
up to 30 days later and use the system without having to even see the splash 
page.  Perfect for Cellular data offload for these folks.  At the moment there 
are 2715 cookies issued.

Thanks,

Ralph
Brightlan


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Butch Evans
Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 12:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot/Billing/AAA options?

On Fri, 2013-03-22 at 20:07 -0400, ralph wrote:
 Anyone using DMA Softlabs RADIUS Manager for their hotspots?

I have a few customers using that software.  It's decent, but it is a bear to 
install and set up unless you use the precise versions he recommends.  Last 
time I looked, it was an older version of Freeradius, but I seem to recall that 
he has updated to use FreeRadius 2.x.

 How about the Gatespot system that Butch sells? 

This is actually software written by Eje of Wisp-Router.  It is by far the most 
flexible system I've ever seen.

 (I spoke on the phone to a couple of Gatespot users already but I 
 don’t think they used customized portals)

It is up to you how you create the portal.  It's just some php code embedded in 
your web page. It's very flexible.

 I don’t think Mikrotik User Manager even does multiple portals, but 
 please let me know if you are using it for that.

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[WISPA] Hotspot/Billing/AAA options?

[ralph]

We have multiple hotspots, each with a customized portal.

 

Anyone using DMA Softlabs RADIUS Manager for their hotspots?

How about the Gatespot system that Butch sells? 

(I spoke on the phone to a couple of Gatespot users already but I don't
think they used customized portals)

I don't think Mikrotik User Manager even does multiple portals, but please
let me know if you are using it for that.

 

What do you think of them?

Know of any others?

 

 

Ralph

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[WISPA] City teams up with local WISP to provide hotspots

[Ralph]

Just thought the group would be interested.

We run this Muni WiFi and have struck a deal with the City and the downtown
merchants to to provide this.

 

http://thedecaturminute.com/2013/02/26/free-wi-fi-hotspots-coming-soon/

 

Brightlan  (Georgia)

http://brightlan.net

Full WISPA member!

 

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[WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

[Ralph]

I have just finished installing Speedtest Mini in our data center and I
would like some help testing it.

If you have a big pipe, it would be especially helpful to have your
feedback.

 

Thanks very much

 

Ralph

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Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

[Ralph]

Duh. Sorry.

http://brightlan.net/page26.html http://brightlan.net/page22.html 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

 

I have just finished installing Speedtest Mini in our data center and I
would like some help testing it.

If you have a big pipe, it would be especially helpful to have your
feedback.

 

Thanks very much

 

Ralph

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Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

[Ralph]

Oops  again. Sorry, I changed the text of the link but not the link.

 

http://brightlan.net/page26.html

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:04 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

 

Duh. Sorry.

http://brightlan.net/page26.html http://brightlan.net/page22.html 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

 

I have just finished installing Speedtest Mini in our data center and I
would like some help testing it.

If you have a big pipe, it would be especially helpful to have your
feedback.

 

Thanks very much

 

Ralph

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[WISPA] Real World example 5.4GHz RADAR- and YOU can own it

[Ralph]

You come across the weirdest things at a Hamfest!
Now you can trigger DFS for all your friends.

I posted the info about it (minus the owner's info) at

http://ads22.imgur.com/all


T H I S   I SN O TM I N E.

I   A M   N O T  S E L L I N G   I T.

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Re: [WISPA] trigger DFS for all your friends

[Ralph]

You guys who can’t see it- use something else to view it.  

 

I guess you could say it is was an “ad”, as it is the handout the guy had. The 
RADAR was over at the TV station.

It is no “widget” and it is perfectly legit. It is a Weather RADAR. Note the 
frequency   5.4 GHZ

 

Ad as you can see from the Pics, it was in use by a TV station at one time, but 
it looks as though it was originally designed for a plane, since it is adapted 
from 400 Hz

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chris Hudson
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] trigger DFS for all your friends

 

Looked fine on my Android, I could zoom the pics. 

 

Chris 

 

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S II on ATT


Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote:
  At 7/29/2012 01:18 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:



I couldn't see it either. I just get taken to a page with 1 album and 0 pics, 
and a spinning wheel.


The page uses Javascript to bring up the image.  I had to allow it in NoScript.

However, the three images don't seem to be scaleable, and are too small to see 
well, especially the first page, which comes across as text in fuzzy 2-point 
type.




I'm assuming it's a pic of some marginally legal device some ham had for sale, 
probably something pulled from scrap or military surplus.


It appears to be a solid-state weather radar, the type of device whose 
legitimate users are the primary users who are supposed to be protected by DFS.





On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Eric Williams {WISP} 
w...@williamsteldata.com  wrote:

Ralph the link you sent is to a add ? What is the DFS widget ?

Eric Williams {W7EMW}

Williams Tel Data / SDWISP

The man with a secure wireless plan!

8130 La Mesa Bl #700

La Mesa Ca 91942

619-698-3904 {office}



 

 Message: 1

 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:49:56 -0400

 From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org

 Subject: [WISPA] Real World example 5.4GHz  RADAR- and YOU can own it

 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org

 Message-ID: 006f01cd6d91$11c178f0$35446ad0$@org

 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 

 You come across the weirdest things at a Hamfest!

 Now you can trigger DFS for all your friends.

 

 I posted the info about it (minus the owner's info) at

 

 http://ads22.imgur.com/all

 

 

 T H I S   I SN O TM I N E.

 

 I   A M   N O T  S E L L I N G   I T.

 

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Re: [WISPA] [WUG] Fax VoIP solution

[Ralph]

Do you install POTS lines in your NOC for it, then?

Do you have to use DID for it?

How do you bill it out?

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chris Wallace
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2012 12:14 PM
To: us...@wug.cc
Cc: WISPA General List; a...@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WUG] Fax VoIP solution

 

The Faxback solution is very solid.  We use it exclusively for our faxing
product to customers and we are one of Faxbacks largest installations on the
carrier side.  Message me off list if you would like more details on their
product and how we use it.


---Chris 

 

On Jul 17, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:





Just talked to someone who has been having good luck with this solution.
Put a server in your NOC and then the AudioCodes device is $150

 

http://www.faxback.com/ http://www.faxback.com/Index.html 


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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[WISPA] Real World example 5.4GHz RADAR- and YOU can own it

[Ralph]

Eric-
I just noticed you hijacked my thread and changed the name

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eric Williams {WISP}
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:58 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] trigger DFS for all your friends

Ralph the link you sent is to a add ? What is the DFS widget ?

Eric Williams {W7EMW}
Williams Tel Data / SDWISP
The man with a secure wireless plan!
8130 La Mesa Bl #700
La Mesa Ca 91942
619-698-3904 {office}


 
 Message: 1
 Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:49:56 -0400
 From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Real World example 5.4GHz  RADAR- and YOU can own it
 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
 Message-ID: 006f01cd6d91$11c178f0$35446ad0$@org
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
 
 You come across the weirdest things at a Hamfest!
 Now you can trigger DFS for all your friends.
 
 I posted the info about it (minus the owner's info) at
 
 http://ads22.imgur.com/all
 
 
 T H I S   I SN O TM I N E.
 
 I   A M   N O T  S E L L I N G   I T.
 
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[WISPA] NYC/NN Area looking for installer

[Ralph]

Hopefully this is OK to put here- We are  a full WISPA Member 

 

Hey guys- got a big project I need help on and hope someone might know of
someone-

 

I'm looking for someone to help work on a project immediately in NJ (near
the junction of I-80 and I-95) and who might also be interested in being
full time in the NJ/NYC area.

The project involves Axis (and other) IP cameras and lots of outdoor links
on multiple Part 15 and Non Part 15 frequencies.  There's some 80 GHZ
Bridgewave in there as well.

If they Have experience with any of the following it would be a boon:
Proxim, Ubiquiti, Redline, Axis, Pelco.  There would be some rooftop, some
bucket truck, as well as some inside work involved.

 

I am looking for someone to begin immediately.

 

Ralph

Brightlan

(470) 345-5841

 

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Re: [WISPA] Cable companies agree to nationwide Wi-Fi roaming deal, , Read more: Cable companies agree to nationwide Wi-Fi roaming deal - FierceWireless http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/cable-compa

[Ralph]

I have been involved with this for a while.

It is simply Muni WiFi, but owned/operated/funded by the local cableco.
The cable companies have been stringing up strand-powered APs for a few
years along some of their routes. In underground areas they have some that
are mounted below the surface with the antenna mounted flat under the cover
to the enclosure.  Most of the rest look like cable amplifiers with a couple
of short (6) white plastic antennas. Some companies are using Cisco gear,
like the model 1522 but Bel Air Networks is Comcast's choice.  Comcast has
Philly done.  Optimum Cable and Time Warner have done lots of NY and NJ.
All this says is that, since cablecos are really not competitors in the same
market, why the heck not make a deal where they add each other's SSIDs on
all the networks.

The hope is that they will get lots of money for cellular offload of data
from phones over WiFi as the cell companies strike deals with the cablecos.
When I have tried the NY/NJ systems, I can use my Comcast cable login from
back in Georgia and I get around 1-7 Mb/S.  

For WISPS, the downside of this is that there are hundreds, if not thousands
of WiFi devices located at street level, most running maximum power and
transmitting on 2.4 and 5.7 GHz, thus raising the noise floor to tremendous
levels.  One project I am working on is a City surveillance camera network
and the noise from these now has the noise level on my rooftops up to
between -80 and -87 and any backhaul that was on 5.8 now is faced with worse
noise than that in the direction the dish is pointed.

ralph


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:13 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Cable companies agree to nationwide Wi-Fi roaming deal, ,
Read more: Cable companies agree to nationwide Wi-Fi roaming deal -
FierceWireless
http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/cable-companies-agree-nationwide-wi-fi-r
oaming-deal/2012-05-21?utm_med




http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/cable-companies-agree-nationwide-wi-fi-r
oaming-deal/2012-05-21?utm_medium=rssutm_source=rss

anybody can comment on this?

is it real 2.4Ghz or some form of licensed-picocell ?

Thank you


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[WISPA] Worlds Largest Hamfest

[Ralph]

The Dayton Hamfest!

It is coming up the weekend of May 18th in Dayton Ohio.

We will be there again out in the flea market meeting other Hams, WISPS and
generally geeking out.

We're going to sell a lot of our surplus stuff we have taken down or don't
need any more , Pepwave, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, etc- all the stuff a WISP
accumulates.  We usually do well at it.

 

So if you are a Ham or just want to see the largest Ham Radio show and flea
market in the World, come see us.

 

We have these 4 flea market spots

 

3829,3830,3831,3832

 

 

BTW- My Son is bringing his vinyl cutting setup and trying to earn college
money by making signs, banners, truck lettering, logos, and anything else
that can be done with vinyl, so if you need anything- bring your artwork in
electronic format.

 

Website is  http://www.hamvention.org

 

Ralph

Brightlan.net

 

 

 

 

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Re: [WISPA] Worlds Largest Hamfest

[Ralph]

I'll tell you all the stuff I can remember.

We pulled a lot of Nano 5 radios over the past couple of years and will
probably sell them as pairs to Hams who want to use them as low cost links
for different things, and probably in the Ham bands.

Hams also like the Pepwave Surf 200 and Surf 200 AP and we have lots of them
from our Muni-Mesh systems.

And for the REALLY cheap guys who don't mind making 1 good out of 2 bad,
etc, we'll sell the Deliberant/Ligo  singles, duos and quads.

I think we have some Tranzeo APs and CPEs we will take too.

Just various stuff we all have around.

For the person who said he never saw any WISPS, you missed us.  We had a lot
of WISP visitors as well.
We have been coming for years as a Ham group, an Amateur TV group and we
started bringing our WISP sign a couple of years ago.
We used to set up a pneumatic mast with free wi-fi back before the first
aircards were even being sold. There was a guy who had a pay hotspot
(satellite fed)
But everyone used out free signal.

Ralph
Brightlan.net
N4NEQ


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:49 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Worlds Largest Hamfest

Could you let me know what Ubnt stuff you're bringing there?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Ralph r...@bsrg.org wrote:
 The Dayton Hamfest!

 It is coming up the weekend of May 18th in Dayton Ohio.

 We will be there again out in the flea market meeting other Hams, 
 WISPS and generally geeking out.

 We’re going to sell a lot of our surplus stuff we have taken down or 
 don’t need any more , Pepwave, Ubiquiti, Ligowave, etc- all the stuff 
 a WISP accumulates.  We usually do well at it.



 So if you are a Ham or just want to see the largest Ham Radio show and 
 flea market in the World, come see us.



 We have these 4 flea market spots



 3829,3830,3831,3832





 BTW- My Son is bringing his vinyl cutting setup and trying to earn 
 college money by making signs, banners, truck lettering, logos, and 
 anything else that can be done with vinyl, so if you need anything- 
 bring your artwork in electronic format.



 Website is  http://www.hamvention.org



 Ralph

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Re: [WISPA] New Crown Castle Nightmare Developing

[Ralph]

Where, O Where is our WISPA Crown dude?

I am not in a position at the moment to recommend Crown to ANY WISP, not
even if one was my worst enemy!

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 10:14 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] New Crown Castle Nightmare Developing

 

I wish I could say nice things. I wish I could say nice things.  But Mama
told me that if I can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

I have a pretty good Crown Castle horror story developing.  I will be glad
to share the details if things do not get ironed out, and quickly.

 

I will say that if you are considering it, do not get into a contract with
them. They still think we are all Cell Carriers or Clearwire!

 

 

If the representative from the Kinder, Gentler, WISPA member Crown Castle
happens to be listening, I think he needs to reply to me off list!

 

 

Ralph

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[WISPA] New Crown Castle Nightmare Developing

[Ralph]

I wish I could say nice things. I wish I could say nice things.  But Mama
told me that if I can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

I have a pretty good Crown Castle horror story developing.  I will be glad
to share the details if things do not get ironed out, and quickly.

 

I will say that if you are considering it, do not get into a contract with
them. They still think we are all Cell Carriers or Clearwire!

 

 

If the representative from the Kinder, Gentler, WISPA member Crown Castle
happens to be listening, I think he needs to reply to me off list!

 

 

Ralph

Brightlan.net 

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Re: [WISPA] WISP for sale topic - really???

[Ralph]

Please change the topic of this discussion or end it.

I am tired of wasting my time looking at them and  thinking that Wisp for
sale is actually related to business.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Service needed

[Ralph]

Thanks Marco, will look at them.

And Bay Broadband doesn't go far enough South for Salisbury

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marco Coelho
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 2:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service needed

 

If it's the south side of sherman, tx you can call argon at 903-455-5036

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:

Thanks.


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I think Bay Broadband covers Salisbury, MD.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:
 I have found WISPs in Eagle Pass TX and Lake Charles LA.

 But I still need service in Sherman TX and Salisbury MD.



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Re: [WISPA] Service needed

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I have found WISPs in Eagle Pass TX and Lake Charles LA.

But I still need service in Sherman TX and Salisbury MD.

 

Anyone got any ideas?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Service needed

[Ralph]

Thanks Fred

Thanks, Eric (from offlist) and Fred!

We just got a 1 day turnaround on Eagle Pass from the local WISP, wcc.net
The installer just turned it up to me. It's a 2.4 Canopy  2Mb/385k



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At 12/15/2011 12:52 PM, Ralph wrote:


I have found WISPs in Eagle Pass TX and Lake Charles LA.
But I still need service in Sherman TX and Salisbury MD.

Anyone got any ideas?

Try Internet Texoma (http://www.texoma.net ) for Sherman, TX.


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Re: [WISPA] Service needed

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Thanks.

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I think Bay Broadband covers Salisbury, MD.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org wrote:
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[WISPA] Service in Eagle Pass TX

[Ralph]

Have a customer needing service in Eagle Pass.

WISP directory shows WCSonline.net
Anyone know of them, or are they on the list?
Or do you know of another provider. Need approximately T1 speed

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[WISPA] Service in Salisbury MD, Lake Charles LA, Sherman TX

[Ralph]

I have a multi-officed customer needing service in 

Salisbury MD and Lake Charles, LA, as well as Sherman TX

 

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Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

[Ralph]

Interesting. Their office is located across the street from me (Ligo).

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Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:30 PM
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Ligo's no longer selling the (SAF) 24GHz radios. 

The remaiins stock is being sold at a (deep) discount.

- Jerry


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Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:24 PM
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Not to try to take business away from Ligo but im sure theres a ton of
uninstalled Solectek gear collecting dust to buy used! No?

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Jerry Richardson
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
 Call Last Mile Gear and ask about the Ligo (SAF) links they have at a nice
discount.

 - Jerry

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 Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:09 PM
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 Possibly so, anyone has experience with Solectek Gear? Reliability?

 Sent from my Motorola Startac...


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 Yes, that short of a distance, I'd do 24GHz.  But I think even with
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Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

[Ralph]

Licensing is free in my case. City government.
Anyone got a Solectek link they wanna sell?

The only Ligo (SAF) link I am aware of goes to a local college from a tower
I share and has failed at least once and I believe more.
They have one from their office to the same tower and I'm not sure if that
one has failed.

Nevertheless I'll check with Caleb and see what sort of deals they have.

Thanks everyone for all the input so far!

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:02 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

Yes, that short of a distance, I'd do 24GHz.  But I think even with
licensing, Solectek will be cheaper.




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[WISPA] 100 Mb/S usable 1 mile distance Microwave needed

[Ralph]

I know that every so often Trango mails out something and so do others but I
haven't seen anything lately.
Anyone know is there is a great deal on anywhere for a licensed pair that
will doo 100 Mb/S usable both ways for about a mile.
It is for the City, so the license will be free.

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r...@brightlan.net





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Re: [WISPA] UBNT hotspot controller

[Ralph]

That would REALLY depend on what his connectivity pipe is.

If he's putting DSL or Cable modem at these locations to provide the
backhaul, he's going to suffer in one direction or the other.

That said, we do still have one marina on DSL, unfortunately, however all
the rest are on 5Ghz backhauls to the mountain top towers and have nice
symmetrical bandwidth.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:46 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT hotspot controller

 

Why not use MT Routers to PPTP tunnel the remote networks back to your NOC
with one one server managing/monitoring all the networks?

 

Less costly and you get the benefit of a single server to view all the
networks and a MT on site for diagnostics and bandwidth management.

 

- Jerry

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:21 AM
To: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org)
Subject: [WISPA] UBNT hotspot controller

 

Is anyone using Ubiquiti's UniFi APs and running the controller software on
a device other than a normal PC server?

 

I'd like to deploy these things at some remote locations (free public WiFi
hotspots) and am looking for a single board computer or something like a
SheevaPlug that will run the controller software and is small, inexpensive,
and doesn't consume much power.

 

-- 
Patrick Shoemaker 
Vector Data Systems LLC 
shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com 
office: (301) 358-1690 x36 
http://www.vectordatasystems.com

 

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Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!

[Ralph]

I was installing Redline links and Alvarion WiMax sectors on rooftops in
downtown Washington DC last week and had similar winds too.

Something just sorta weird about telling someone to shoot it just to the
left of the Capitol  or Aim it at the Washington Monument.

 

Very sorry to hear of your loss.

Also very GLAD that you are not putting that amplifier back on.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 12:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!

 

This last week has been h*ll.Haven't had time to even read the lists til
now...

My main dist tower took a direct lighting strike Sunday night.

Destroyed 4 5.8GHz sectors... my 2.4GHz horz omni... my 2.4GHz vert omni...

Destroyed 4 rouerboard 532A... 5 xr5... xr2...  RFLinx 2400DTX

250ft of LMR-400 is now vented every 5-7 feet.  about 1000ft of Beldon 1300A
blown apart at every wire tie.

A K6-III based TurboCell controller ...  POE's, UPS, switch... Batterys.

The ONLY thing that survived was my HyperLink 5.8GHz 30db dish.

The only good thing is that I was planning on completely rebuilding this
location at the end of November...

So, we get the 802.11 stuff and the 5.8GHz stuff back on-line by Monday
night.  Turbocell... not gonna happen.  Was planning on moving it all to
5.8GHz

Tuesday...  50mph+  I ain't going up a 25G or a six step in that...

Wednesday...  Gusts over 80mph...  now we can't even get on roofs!

Thursday...  40mph+  roofs.  lad I do 2 man crews...  ladder blown off
several times...

Friday...  Tower climbs and more climbs...  knocked off at 9pm...  back at
it in the am...  we will be busy til tuesday...

...

Tell me again why we do this?

Blair



On 10/28/2010 1:14 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: 

Bob - I have seen some of your setups ;-) 

interesting ... 

they work rock solid from the looks of it however

 

blessings, 

 

On Oct 28, 2010, at 10:15 AM, RickG wrote:





now its a double joke :)

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
wrote:

Was a joke.  J

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Glenn Kelley
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 1:35 AM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!

 

 

Those that are on grain elevators to start.. 

 

Coming from a Fire and EMS background - if i can get NEMA i will 

 

seen to many reason why it is worth it.

 

On Oct 28, 2010, at 12:38 AM, Robert West wrote:

 

NEMA is over rated..  Who cares about safety and intrinsically sealed,
anyhow.?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 11:57 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!

 

Wish it was nema!

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:29 PM, Liam Cummings
lcummi...@datacomspecialists.com wrote:

Ooo... this looks way cooler and has battery backup included. Cheaper
too

 

 

http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtModelID=3640

 

 

 

Peace out!

 

Lawanda

 

 

  _  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:46 PM


To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!

 

Excellent, Rickesha! 

 

All doing good, sounds like.  Too bad the cable and electric companies are
having such issues.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:29 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] BIG WIND!

 

We had a bunch of high winds and a tornado southwest of here but not a
glitch with the network - sent those your way Bob :)

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
wrote:

Hope you fellow Midwesterners are faring well with this major pain in the
butt wall of WIND making its way across the states.We had winds clocked
at 85mph and a so-so, mini-tornado/micro-burst about a mile from one of my
gateways.  Tore up lots of stuff but thankfully the only thing I lost was
power.  The handy thing was, this is a gateway that I moved and upgraded
from solar to grid power (But STILL hadn't put in a battery backup
figures)  but I left the old solar install in place in case I ever needed it
(!) and just moved my box from the new to the old and all was good.  Could
have been worse from the looks of the damage it's been causing all over
Ohio, Indiana, etc.  I was just shocked as heck to find nothing damaged.  I
guess over engineering pays off sometimes!

 

Passing any of my luck to the rest of ya!

 

Bob-

 

(Sometimes even a LOSER wins!!!  It's String Theory, happens.  I'm just sad
cause I was looking for a reason to get drunk.)

 

 

 

 






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Re: [WISPA] mikrotik vs ubiquiti

[Ralph]

Yes we are using Ubiquiti instead of Mikrotik.
We always have, because we will not build our own uncertified gear. If it
comes down to an interference issue we do not want the FCC fine or the
stigma of being nailed for violating FCC rules.

That said, we like the routerboards pretty well for use at our hotspots,
with certified radios. The routerboards have a lot of features.

As far as UBNT goes, the person who said Airmax is a game changer is
correct.

We are sometimes even able to use UBNT in situations where we might have
used an Orthagon (sic?) 
We can use narrower channels and get more bandwidth
When (and I'm sure it is coming) timing/synch becomes available, it will
frost the cake.
The support organization listens to users and takes suggestions and doesn't
break more things than it fixes.

And finally- I think it is absolutely hilarious that the latest MT
innovation is a device that leverages something that UBNT already developed
(this routerboard that snaps on a UBNT dish thingie). Of course I would snap
on a Rocket M5 instead- it has an FCC sticker (ducking).




-Original Message-
Data Technology Said:  I think that several of you are using Ubiquiti AirMax
Rocket now 
instead of Mikrotik.

I would like to know how they compare:
 1. As a point to point link.
 2. As an access point.






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[WISPA] TDWR database doing some good already!

[Ralph Fowler]

I appreciate Jack Unger's sending out the TDWR announcement on the
announcement list, a portion of which I have copied below.

We run a Muni mesh for a city that actually includes part of Atlanta airport
property. It has a TDWR.

As part of their network, the City installed some  5.4 links. We don't
maintain or own those links, instead they are operated by their Cisco VAR.

 

I sent the VAR the What You Can Do section below and they are changing
frequency on one of the links as a result.   I'm not sure where they
actually sit- frequency wise but they are changing.

I expect that they will also register the stations.  They are also checking
all their other 5.4 links in other areas.

Additionally, our backhaul partner has also registered the link that brings
us part of our bandwidth.

 

Although Atlanta was not one of the problem areas, I'm sure any interference
would have been very severe.

 

I hope everyone else also gets proactive on this.  It might even become the
thing that spurs on a volunteer coordination effort on a larger scale.

 

Ralph

N4NEQ

 

 

=

What You Can Do

If you have base stations operating near a major metropolitan area and
especially if you are located in one of the problem areas, it is important
that you go to the WISPA/Spectrum Bridge database lookup page
http://spectrumbridge.com/udia/search.aspx, type in the location of your
base station(s) and determine if you are within 35 km (or line-of-sight
distance) of a TDWR site. If so, please make a note of the TDWR frequency
and exclude that frequency from use by your base stations. Further, consider
registering your base stations in the TDWR database. Registration benefits
you because when FCC enforcement teams visit your area to track down
interference sources, they will see that you are operating lawfully, clear
of the TDWR frequency. They will have no need to pay you a visit. 




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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

[Ralph]

Did you give the lat/long for each/all stations?
You will be rejected if you didn't
You can't just get a 4.9 license.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:39 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

That's what we are trying to do, put the 4.9 on their current FRN license
for 2-way radio traffic. Not quite sure what the hold up is, although I did
hear someone say up to 45-90 days for this, not particularly sure who.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 5:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

Why?  4.9 Ghz licenses are basically automatic.  If the agency already has 
ANY FCC license, then a 4.9 is simply an add on that
has very little engineering information.

By any - I mean they license they do their dispatch on.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


 We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff 
 Department
 for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is 
 really
 slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About
 $1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
 channel.

 Kurt Fankhauser
 WAVELINC
 P.O. Box 126
 Bucyrus, OH 44820
 419-562-6405


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Steven McGehee
 Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

  Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I
 just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback,
 etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and
 the others, too.


 On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
 So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
 something
 for the Fire or Police department?
 The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my 
 area
 on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
 (for their PD).
 It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it 
 CANNOT
 be used for regular ISP stuff.

 That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
 lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
 about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
 there
 (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.

 My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Steven McGehee
 Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

Hey guys,

 We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
 would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
 know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
 soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
 this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
 Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
 tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
 maybe legal advice, etc.

 I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. 
 thanks.

 -Steven





 
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

[Ralph]

Are you saying you did not give the coordinates and still received licenses.
Because the radio officers of the agencies involved in my case did the same
thing and all were rejected.
I wonder what was different.
(And please spare the sarcastic comments this time!)


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:05 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

Wow.   Guess the 30 or so that I have done should
have all been rejected.

Oops.

Or maybe I read the rules, talked with APCO, and the FCC before
hand.


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- Original Message - 
From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice


 Did you give the lat/long for each/all stations?
 You will be rejected if you didn't
 You can't just get a 4.9 license.
 





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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

[Ralph]

Like 3650, you do have to list all the fixed radios including both ends of
the link.
What slows down some people's applications is that they mess up on that.
The FCC takes forever to NOTIFY you that there is a problem, so you have to
have someone go on line and check each day.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 4:59 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

We are in the process here to get a license for the local Sheriff Department
for 4.9ghz, it is taking way longer than anticipated. The FCC is really
slow. Equipment that we were going to deploy was Motorola PMP-49400. About
$1,500 per radio with integrated antenna for 21Mbps aggregate on a 10mhz
channel.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
 
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steven McGehee
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:48 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

  Thanks Ralph. Yeah not looking to pass commercial traffic on this, I 
just didn't know anything about 4.9 and wanted to get some feedback, 
etc., from people just like yourself. Thank you for your response, and 
the others, too.


On 8/26/2010 22:35, Ralph wrote:
 So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or
something
 for the Fire or Police department?
 The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area
 on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
 (for their PD).
 It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT
 be used for regular ISP stuff.

 That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
 lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
 about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out
there
 (don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.

 My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Steven McGehee
 Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

Hey guys,

 We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I
 would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may
 know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting
 soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get
 this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community.
 Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or
 tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend,
 maybe legal advice, etc.

 I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks.

 -Steven




 
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Re: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

[Ralph]

So are you going to be doing some municipal video surveillance or something
for the Fire or Police department?
The 4.9 band is PUBLIC SAFETY only. I have deployed a lot of it in my area
on surveillance projects for the PD and some at the University of Georgia
(for their PD).
It all has to be licensed and as was said by someone else before it CANNOT
be used for regular ISP stuff.

That said, I was not impressed with the performance. There seemed to be a
lot of interference and I ended up only using 4 links and they were all
about 2 blocks in length. There's not a lot of certified equipment out there
(don't even THINK about Mikrotik) and what is there is expensive.

My 2 cents worth from an actual user  :-)

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steven McGehee
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Seeking 4.9Ghz Advice

  Hey guys,

We may be getting into some 4.9Ghz deployments soon and I thought I 
would check with you guys to see what sort of tips and 'gotchas' you may 
know of if you currently are operating in 4.9. We are having a meeting 
soon with the local municipality to see how we can work together to get 
this potentially going for the benefit of everyone in the community. 
Please feel free to email me directly if you'd prefer with any advice or 
tips in working with the local government, what equipment you recommend, 
maybe legal advice, etc.

I know that's vague, but I hope it's specific enough as well :) .. thanks.

-Steven




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Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection

[Ralph]

Works nicely.

Care to share the script?

 

Ralph

Brightlan.net

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Nick Olsen
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection

 

Yup, I run mine on a linux box. By default, linux whois hits Arin, Or
RIPE..etc. Then if the org has a private whois server it will hit it. Where
everything else just hits arin and thats it. Notice how it hits both below.

Running 'whois '208.64.123.177''...

[Querying whois.arin.net] 
[Redirected to rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321] 
[Querying rwhois.blacklotus.net] 



I have a php script that makes this web-accessible. Anyone that wants to use
it is free to http://whois.141networks.com. However, That is hosted from my
personal residence so be gentle. :D

//me might move it to the colo here soon though..

Nick Olsen
Network Operations
(321) 205-1100 x106

  http://www.brevardwireless.com/files/email.gif 

 

  _  

From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:28 PM
To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection

interesting. Your results a bit different. who.is says: 

 

# Query terms are ambiguous.  The query is assumed to be: 
# n + 208.64.123.177 
# 
# Use ? to get help. 
# 

# 
# The following results may also be obtained via: 
# http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=208.64.123.177?showDetails=true
http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=208.64.123.177?showDetails=trueshowARIN=
false showARIN=false 
# 

NetRange:   208.64.120.0 - 208.64.127.255 
CIDR:   208.64.120.0/21 
OriginAS:   AS32421 
NetName:NET-208-64-120-0-1 
NetHandle:  NET-208-64-120-0-1 
Parent: NET-208-0-0-0-0 
NetType:Direct Allocation 
NameServer: NS1.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET 
NameServer: NS2.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET 
RegDate:2005-12-22 
Updated:2009-11-11 
Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-208-64-120-0-1 

OrgName:Black Lotus Communications 
OrgId:  BLC-92 
Address:3419 Virginia Beach Blvd. #D5 
City:   Virginia Beach 
StateProv:  VA 
PostalCode: 23452 
Country:US 
RegDate:2004-04-22 
Updated:2009-02-12 
Comment:Please route any abuse concerns to
http://who.is/email.php?domain=208.64.123.177email=0  
Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/BLC-92 

ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321 

OrgAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN 
OrgAbuseName:   Network Operations Center 
OrgAbusePhone:  +1-314-323-3401 
OrgAbuseEmail:http://who.is/email.php?domain=208.64.123.177email=1  
OrgAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN 

OrgTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN 
OrgTechName:   Network Operations Center 
OrgTechPhone:  +1-314-323-3401 
OrgTechEmail:http://who.is/email.php?domain=208.64.123.177email=2  
OrgTechRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN 

OrgNOCHandle: NOC1554-ARIN 
OrgNOCName:   Network Operations Center 
OrgNOCPhone:  +1-314-323-3401 
OrgNOCEmail:http://who.is/email.php?domain=208.64.123.177email=3  
OrgNOCRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN 

RAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN 
RAbuseName:   Network Operations Center 
RAbusePhone:  +1-314-323-3401 
RAbuseEmail:http://who.is/email.php?domain=208.64.123.177email=4  
RAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN 

RTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN 
RTechName:   Network Operations Center 
RTechPhone:  +1-314-323-3401 
RTechEmail:http://who.is/email.php?domain=208.64.123.177email=5  
RTechRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN 

RNOCHandle: NOC1554-ARIN 
RNOCName:   Network Operations Center 
RNOCPhone:  +1-314-323-3401 
RNOCEmail:http://who.is/email.php?domain=208.64.123.177email=6  
RNOCRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN 

# 
# ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use 
# available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html 

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com
wrote:

Using my favorite whois service. One that hits blackloutus's Rwhois servers,
the Org name I get back from them is Aloli LTD



Running 'whois '208.64.123.177''...

[Querying whois.arin.net] 
[Redirected to rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321] 
[Querying rwhois.blacklotus.net] 
[rwhois.blacklotus.net] 
%rwhois V-1.0,V-1.5:00090h:00 support.blacklotus.net (Ubersmith RWhois
Server V-1.6.5) 
autharea=208.64.120.0/21 
xautharea=208.64.120.0/21 
network:Class-Name:network 
network:Auth-Area:208.64.120.0/21 
network:ID:NET-412.208.64.123.176/30 
network:Network-Name:SSL enabled web sites (Mitigation Critical) 
network:IP-Network:208.64.123.176/30 
network:IP-Network-Block:208.64.123.176 - 208.64.123.179 
network:Org-Name:Aloli LTD 
network:Street-Address:3321 Road Town, Drake Chambers 
network:City:Tortola 
network:State:- 
network:Postal-Code:3321 
network:Country-Code

Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

[Ralph]

Gee Matt-
I question whether I should be in this business every day! But not because
of our billing system.
Our billing system works great. Authorize.net and credit card payments.  The
entire network is a giant hotspot.
I think we may have 3 manual bills and those are done by Email.  Of course I
would home grow a way before I'd pay 2 grand right now.
Since 2K is such a small pittance, have you got an extra 2K I can borrow...
or have?  Big Grin and wink.


Ralph

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:12 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Backend systems

  Just a quick point here, because this is a key element for WISP
operators

Mike, if you are too poor to pay the $2000 or devote the time to setup a
billing system then you should seriously question whether you should be in
this business at all.

Once the initial network deployment is completed, backend and billing is 
the most important element of a WISP business.   Ignore it at your own 
peril.   Spending too much on equipment and not enough on handling the 
a/r is the leading cause of bankruptcy and irrelevance among WISP operators.

Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com

On 8/22/2010 7:52 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I've been setting up FreeSide...  forever.  1)  I'm too poor to 
 hire it out properly.  2)  I haven't had the time to dedicate to it to 
 finishing it up.

 I remember seeing someone on here made a new backend system.  I'm 
 thinking it was WISPMon, but I'm not sure if there's another out there 
 that a WISP made.

 It looks as though WISPMon certain does things that FreeSide doesn't 
 and looks a hell of a lot better.  However, does it do everything that 
 FreeSide does?







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Re: [WISPA] Tower site thefts

[Ralph]

This is right next to one of our sites.
Glad they caught them!

Subject: [WISPA] Tower site thefts

http://www.wirelessestimator.com/breaking_news.cfm#Generator






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Re: [WISPA] Mesh

[Ralph]

I have done a lot of muni mesh and know of no cities they have.
We played around with their Pacman-looking CPE device though.


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rogelio
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
 Are there any Munis using Ruckus?

They have a city in India, I believe.

(Can anyone else confirm this?  I can't remember the city)




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Re: [WISPA] Electrical Question.......

[Ralph]

If you don't NEEED three phase, don't install it.

The metering is more complex, there are 3 transformers, and the basic
monthly bill is probably more expensive as they pass their costs of the
complexity on to you.

 

Someone wrote about the Demand Meter with the peak indicator, and I wanted
to clear up one thing that was said.

Demand meters usually work on a 15 or 50 (and rarely 60) minute period. If
you exceed the highest peak of use during any of these periods, your billing
rate ratchets up.

This rate remains for a period, sometimes as long as 13 months, during which
your per KWH charge is higher.  

It does not cause you to be billed the same total amount whether or not you
use it- it only affects the RATE.

These are called demand charges and supposedly go to offset the cost of the
extra cost they incurred to handle your little spike.

 

I used to be the lead Field Engineer for a company that specialized in
reading the meter pulses and predicting the demand minute by minute so that
the system could shed load in order to keep from hitting a new 30 minute
demand.  It was really amazing- I could set the demand limit and then watch
as it cycled fans, compressors, lights and other energy users to keep that
demand down. We even built a box that controlled the load on big A/C
chillers, which basically turned the water temperature up a degree or so
until the prediction went down.  This gear was in large buildings:
hospitals, schools, factories, arenas, etc.

 

The worst case I ever saw (or the easiest one to sell) was a Hercules plant
in Louisiana, where a single peak overage cost them 0ne million dollars over
the next 13 months!

 

Ralph

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 11:32 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Electrical Question...

 

Putting together a new NOC.  The new NOC is in an older warehouse and we
ripped out ALL the crazy wiring and the multiple electrical panels.  Total
gut job.  Installed a single phase electrical panel for the retail and
service area in the front but we have three phase coming into the building.
Electrician uncle Dude, 80+ years, tells me that three phase protects
against power surges since it adds another transformer.  

 

My question is, would installing a three phase panel for the NOC be a
proactive thing?  Advantageous against the great lightning and idiotic power
company Godz?  (GODZ Rock And Roll Machine)  

 

Old location was all three phase and we never had one lick of trouble   Not
one.  Would this be the reason or would it be just a stroke of luck, one
that didn't involve the lottery..  Figures.

 

Bob-

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] SilverLining

[Ralph]

That is interesting, but I'm really having trouble figuring out the business
model of this particular captive portal implementation.

 

From what I see, it is centered on Batman/Robin based radios, requires a
hefty monthly fee, and plays ads.

Unless I am reading wrong, you can't connect your legacy network if you
choose not to use that type of mesh, or even a mesh at all.

The ads seem to be chosen by the Silverlining People for lack of a better
term. Is that correct?

I don't see any support for Authorize.net , iPay, or any other system other
than PayPal.

What if you don't want to have ads?

What/where is the open source part? Is it just  the Batman/Robin stuff?

Please give us more information about how this portal could be used for any
other thing than serving ads on these Meraki-ish radios, which are by no
means carrier class.

 

Thanks

 

Ralph

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:38 AM
To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] SilverLining

 

We rolled out SilverLining's new OPEN SOURCE captive portal system with
PayPal and OpenX ad server integration on Sunday. 

 

Yesterday we had 1000 splash page displays so we are seeing some good usage.
I'm sure that there are a fair number of users that are re-logging in after
the 30 minutes/50MB limits are reached but that's just driving them back to
the splash page where they see ads.

 

We are not seeing takers on the paid service, but that's fine - I'm really
after the Ad Revenue anyway. we'll see some takers on the 15/month service
which will help as well. Plus we will be advertising our services at no cost
to us.

 

We have the software running on an Alix board and it's doing fine. I'm
pleased.

 

Blog page here:
http://blog.silverliningnetworks.com/2010/08/announcing-the-silversplash-ope
n-source-captive-portal.html

 

Discussion here: http://groups.google.com/group/silversplash

 

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Content Filtering

[Ralph]

Luis-

We have experimented with OpenDNS (free) which does an OK job of content
blocking on one of the Muni Mesh systems, but not used it in production. Not
even sure if you can sell it and it is pretty easily defeated.  It is
probably something you could offer for free, though.

 

Ralph

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Luis Abenza Sánchez
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 7:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Content Filtering

 

Hi all,

We want to add content filtering service to our WISP, especially for kids
control.
We are thinking about CensorNet Pro.

Are you selling this service?
Which software/hardware are you using?

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Free 19 shock mounted shipping rack.

[Ralph]

HeHe-  I was waiting for that. You should see it in person :-)
Sorry about the link-it probably split apart.
Thanks for clearing it up. 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:26 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free 19 shock mounted shipping rack.

http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/ele/1892231194.html

This link may work a bit better.

Anyways, I get to be the first to say it...

NICE RACK!

Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Free 19 shock mounted shipping rack.


I have been keeping this rack around for a long time, thinking I could use
 it somewhere but I have decided to give it away to anyone on the list who
 wants it.  The guts of it are mounted on rubber shock mounts and it is 
 about
 3 feet high.

 It is great for making an Emergency POP in and using to drop in to a
 temporary location. It was designed to ship DataRadio wireless data 
 systems
 in.
 If you want it, it is free. You'll have to pick it up near Atlanta or pay
 the freight charges to get it to you. One great thing is that it needs no
 packing. It's its own packing!

 If you want to see it, I have it on Craigslist locally for 25 bucks.

 https://post.craigslist.org/atl/S/ele/nat/x/3eFNkYeiPyQiBv3k/so7Bo

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Re: [WISPA] CPE Monitoring Survey

[Ralph]

So far it doesn't work, and the coldshore link returns a blank page for me.
How about just putting the pdf someplace on your website and giving us a
real link.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 8:17 AM
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Sorry about that. I've edited the link to go to a PDF print of the
results. Looks like Google Docs doesn't want to share the results
without a login.

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote:
 That link Requires a login is there a way you could post it otherwise.

 Steve Barnes
 RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service


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Behalf Of Jon Auer
 Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 8:04 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] CPE Monitoring Survey

 Results: http://bit.ly/9wUy4G
 My apologies on the delay on getting these back to everyone.
 Thank you to everyone that participated!

 On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote:
 I was thinking about CPE monitoring today and wondering if/how
 everyone is doing it.

 I've got a brief (8 easy questions) survey at http://bit.ly/cpesurvey

 If you can spare a minute or two to fill it out I'd be very grateful.
 Of course, the results will be shared in aggregate.
 Thanks!






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Re: [WISPA] Mesh

[Ralph]

Never asked because we don't use them for making the mesh.  We use only
Tropos, although 3 systems we did for another company required Cisco
product. I will never deploy Cisco mess(h) again-LOL.

The Peps are the CPEs we use. In a muni mesh, the CPE radios are clients,
not part of the mesh.

The Pep CPEs work great with Tropos and the Peps were actually the original
recommended CPE for use with Google WiFi in Mountain View when they began.

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of L. Aaron Kaplan
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh

 

 

On Aug 10, 2010, at 4:05 AM, Ralph wrote:





I have one or two Ruckus CPEs (the ones that look like Pacman) I intend to
try on one of our 4 muni mesh systems, but as of yet have not had a chance.
We use a lot of the Pepwave/Peplinks though.

 

 

 

Out of curiosity - what mesh algorithm does Pepwave actually use?

 

a.

 

 

 




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Re: [WISPA] Mesh

[Ralph]

Oh- the Peps work fine on Cisco mesh as well- especially the newer Peps they
sell now. We are currently only using the older black ones that look like a
cable/DSL modem with an antenna.

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:40 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mesh

 

While I dont like vendor lock in for myself, I'm a techie. For a serious
business customer, vendor lock in is far less of an issue than getting
proper support. 

On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:03 AM, L. Aaron Kaplan aa...@lo-res.org wrote:

 

On Aug 10, 2010, at 3:26 PM, Ralph wrote:





Never asked because we don't use them for making the mesh.  We use only
Tropos, although 3 systems we did for another company required Cisco
product. I will never deploy Cisco mess(h) again-LOL.

The Peps are the CPEs we use. In a muni mesh, the CPE radios are clients,
not part of the mesh.

The Pep CPEs work great with Tropos and the Peps were actually the original
recommended CPE for use with Google WiFi in Mountain View when they began.

 

Interesting.

Well, I still believe, RFCs and open standards are the only way to go when
building mesh networks.

Everything else leads to a vendor lock in.

 

But nevertheless it is interesting what proprietary vendor mesh solutions do
and how well they perform.

 

Is there any way to find out if one mesh solution will interact with a
different vendor's solution?

 

a.

 

 






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[WISPA] Free 19 shock mounted shipping rack.

[Ralph]

I have been keeping this rack around for a long time, thinking I could use
it somewhere but I have decided to give it away to anyone on the list who
wants it.  The guts of it are mounted on rubber shock mounts and it is about
3 feet high.

It is great for making an Emergency POP in and using to drop in to a
temporary location. It was designed to ship DataRadio wireless data systems
in.
If you want it, it is free. You'll have to pick it up near Atlanta or pay
the freight charges to get it to you. One great thing is that it needs no
packing. It's its own packing!

If you want to see it, I have it on Craigslist locally for 25 bucks.

https://post.craigslist.org/atl/S/ele/nat/x/3eFNkYeiPyQiBv3k/so7Bo

Ralph






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