[Zope-dev] zc.async versus Zope 2 SIGTERM
Hi, zc.async's shutdown mechanism doesn't really work with Zope 2's SIGTERM handling: in my case it causes the Async's threaded dispatcher to die in the middle of something: Exception in thread Thread-1 (most likely raised during interpreter shutdown): Traceback (most recent call last): File /home/ctheune/local/lib/python2.6/threading.py, line 532, in __bootstrap_inner File /home/ctheune/local/lib/python2.6/threading.py, line 484, in run File /home/ctheune/gocept/code/...deployment/eggs/zc.async-1.5.4-py2.6.egg/zc/async/subscribers.py, line 115, in start File /home/ctheune/gocept/code/...deployment/eggs/Twisted-10.2.0-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/twisted/internet/base.py, line 1158, in run File /home/ctheune/gocept/code/...deployment/eggs/Twisted-10.2.0-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/twisted/internet/base.py, line 1172, in mainLoop type 'exceptions.AttributeError': 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'msg' This ends up in the worker not correctly unregistered and thus on next startup: Exception in thread Thread-1 (most likely raised during interpreter shutdown): Traceback (most recent call last): File /home/ctheune/local/lib/python2.6/threading.py, line 532, in __bootstrap_inner File /home/ctheune/local/lib/python2.6/threading.py, line 484, in run File /home/ctheune/gocept/code/webwork.deployment/eggs/zc.async-1.5.4-py2.6.egg/zc/async/subscribers.py, line 115, in start File /home/ctheune/gocept/code/webwork.deployment/eggs/Twisted-10.2.0-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/twisted/internet/base.py, line 1158, in run File /home/ctheune/gocept/code/webwork.deployment/eggs/Twisted-10.2.0-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/twisted/internet/base.py, line 1172, in mainLoop type 'exceptions.AttributeError': 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'msg' The funny thing is: although this instance didn't get to register it will then on regular shutdown: 2012-03-01 11:54:56 INFO zc.async.events deactivated dispatcher 8da98af0-5c95-11e1-a205-0024e8d50597 2012-03-01 11:54:56 INFO SignalHandler Caught signal SIGINT 2012-03-01 11:54:56 INFO Z2 Shutting down The first issue (fast shutdown) you can avoid by simply not sending SIGTERM and switching to always use SIGINT. (For some reason zdaemon seems to do that by default when sending SIGTERM to the daemon manager.) The second issue seems like a bad thing. Right? Any comments? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/branches/z4-zmi/ Make a branch to perform some preparations for the separate ZMI package
Log message for revision 123364: Make a branch to perform some preparations for the separate ZMI package Changed: A Zope/branches/z4-zmi/ -=- ___ Zope-Checkins maillist - Zope-Checkins@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-checkins
[Zope-Checkins] SVN: Zope/branches/z4-zmi/ re-enable the ++skin++ traverser
Log message for revision 123366:
re-enable the ++skin++ traverser
Changed:
U Zope/branches/z4-zmi/doc/CHANGES.rst
A Zope/branches/z4-zmi/src/Products/Five/browser/tests/skin.py
A Zope/branches/z4-zmi/src/Products/Five/browser/tests/skin.txt
A Zope/branches/z4-zmi/src/Products/Five/browser/tests/skin.zcml
A Zope/branches/z4-zmi/src/Products/Five/browser/tests/test_skin.py
U Zope/branches/z4-zmi/src/Zope2/App/traversing.zcml
-=-
Modified: Zope/branches/z4-zmi/doc/CHANGES.rst
===
--- Zope/branches/z4-zmi/doc/CHANGES.rst2011-11-16 10:33:38 UTC (rev
123365)
+++ Zope/branches/z4-zmi/doc/CHANGES.rst2011-11-16 10:34:17 UTC (rev
123366)
@@ -124,15 +124,6 @@
`lib/python` and `Products` from the default. You can continue to manually
add these back.
-- Removed the rarely used support for the `++skin++` traverser. You can enable
- it in your own applications by defining::
-
-adapter
- name=skin
- for=* zope.publisher.interfaces.IRequest
- provides=zope.traversing.interfaces.ITraversable
- factory=zope.traversing.namespace.skin /
-
- Five.browser: Marked `processInputs` and `setPageEncoding` as deprecated.
`processInputs` was replaced by the `postProcessInputs` request method and
the charset negotiation done by `setPageEncoding` was never fully supported.
Copied: Zope/branches/z4-zmi/src/Products/Five/browser/tests/skin.py (from rev
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===
--- Zope/branches/z4-zmi/src/Products/Five/browser/tests/skin.py
(rev 0)
+++ Zope/branches/z4-zmi/src/Products/Five/browser/tests/skin.py
2011-11-16 10:34:17 UTC (rev 123366)
@@ -0,0 +1,20 @@
+##
+#
+# Copyright (c) 2006 Zope Foundation and Contributors.
+# All Rights Reserved.
+#
+# This software is subject to the provisions of the Zope Public License,
+# Version 2.1 (ZPL). A copy of the ZPL should accompany this distribution.
+# THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED AS IS AND ANY AND ALL EXPRESS OR IMPLIED
+# WARRANTIES ARE DISCLAIMED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED
+# WARRANTIES OF TITLE, MERCHANTABILITY, AGAINST INFRINGEMENT, AND FITNESS
+# FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
+#
+##
+Test skins
+
+
+from zope.publisher.interfaces.browser import IDefaultBrowserLayer
+
+class ITestSkin(IDefaultBrowserLayer):
+pass
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===
--- Zope/branches/z4-zmi/src/Products/Five/browser/tests/skin.txt
(rev 0)
+++ Zope/branches/z4-zmi/src/Products/Five/browser/tests/skin.txt
2011-11-16 10:34:17 UTC (rev 123366)
@@ -0,0 +1,54 @@
+Test layer and skin support
+===
+
+Let's register a test layer and test skin:
+
+ import Products.Five.browser.tests
+ from Zope2.App import zcml
+ zcml.load_config(configure.zcml, Products.Five)
+ zcml.load_config(skin.zcml, package=Products.Five.browser.tests)
+
+Let's add a test object that we'll access the test page from:
+
+ from Products.Five.tests.testing.simplecontent import
manage_addSimpleContent
+ manage_addSimpleContent(self.folder, 'testoid', 'Testoid')
+
+The view was registered on a different layer than 'default', that's
+why we can't access it straight away:
+
+ print http(r
+ ... GET /test_folder_1_/testoid/eagle.html HTTP/1.1
+ ... )
+ HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
+ ...
+
+It works when we explicitly use the skin that includes that layer:
+
+ print http(r
+ ... GET /test_folder_1_/testoid/++skin++TestSkin/eagle.html HTTP/1.1
+ ... )
+ HTTP/1.1 200 OK
+ ...
+ The eagle has landed
+
+Or when we make that skin the default skin:
+
+ zcml.load_string('''
+ ... browser:defaultSkin
+ ... xmlns:browser=http://namespaces.zope.org/browser;
+ ... name=TestSkin /
+ ... ''')
+
+ print http(r
+ ... GET /test_folder_1_/testoid/eagle.html HTTP/1.1
+ ... )
+ HTTP/1.1 200 OK
+ ...
+ The eagle has landed
+
+
+Clean up
+
+
+ from zope.component.testing import tearDown
+ tearDown()
Copied: Zope/branches/z4-zmi/src/Products/Five/browser/tests/skin.zcml (from
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--- Zope/branches/z4-zmi/src/Products/Five/browser/tests/skin.zcml
(rev 0)
+++ Zope/branches/z4-zmi/src/Products/Five/browser/tests/skin.zcml
2011-11-16 10:34:17 UTC (rev 123366)
@@ -0,0 +1,23 @@
+configure xmlns=http://namespaces.zope.org/zope;
+
[Zope-dev] Revert removal of ++skin++ in Zope4?
Hi, I'd like to revert the removal of the ++skin++ traverser in Zope 4. As we're working on a replacement ZMI at a sprint currently (more details about that in a bit) we'd like to leverage this feature. From my perspective, I value that Zope 2/4 has always made some choices upfront that one could leverage right away. Especially as multiple orthogonal components (like: your application and the ZMI) need to leverage this plugin point, I'd rather have this provided by the framework. I couldn't find an argument anywhere why ++skin++ should be gone. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Revert removal of ++skin++ in Zope4?
Hi, On 11/16/2011 12:24 PM, Laurence Rowe wrote: On 16 November 2011 10:30, Christian Theunec...@gocept.com wrote: Hi, I'd like to revert the removal of the ++skin++ traverser in Zope 4. As we're working on a replacement ZMI at a sprint currently (more details about that in a bit) we'd like to leverage this feature. From my perspective, I value that Zope 2/4 has always made some choices upfront that one could leverage right away. Especially as multiple orthogonal components (like: your application and the ZMI) need to leverage this plugin point, I'd rather have this provided by the framework. I couldn't find an argument anywhere why ++skin++ should be gone. It was removed in http://zope3.pov.lt/trac/changeset/122056 because it wasn't actually being used anywhere. I'm not completely averse to adding it back, but it does create confusion with the various different alternatives in Zope2 like CMF skins and plone.browserlayer. I think it was not used by Zope2 itself - however, it's a feature provided by the framework that applications can use. I guess there might be features in a framework that the framework itself doesn't make use of. Going down into the new ZMI project I find it to be the most light-weight approach without adding an extra dependency. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Revert removal of ++skin++ in Zope4?
On 11/16/2011 12:31 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: On 16 November 2011 11:30, Christian Theunec...@gocept.com wrote: Going down into the new ZMI project I find it to be the most light-weight approach without adding an extra dependency. What is this project? ;-) We're currently sprinting in Berlin to explore a clean-up of the ZMI. We're experimenting a bit with some ideas and I'll make a write-up of what we found in the next days. Technically we're investigating making a separate package that would allow us to remove the old cruft DTML-ZMI and replace it with a small, PT-based Zope4 application that runs in a separate skin. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Revert removal of ++skin++ in Zope4?
On 11/16/2011 02:06 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/16/2011 07:28 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:53, Charlie Clark charlie.cl...@clark-consulting.eu wrote: Am 16.11.2011, 12:49 Uhr, schrieb Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com: Right. Could we standardize on skins or browserlayers plz? Having both confuses the heck out of me. Definitely a topic that needs (re)-opening. From a CMF point of I think we're just about at the point where we could switch to browser layers, well, at least once CMF 2.3 has been released. But I think that CMF Skins still offer some functionality that you don't get with browser layers out of the box. When I said skins I meant ++skins++. CMF Skins must die. Note that for all their warts, they are *massively* more successful than the Z3 reimplementation, which was overengineered (I helped with that, I'm sure). In particular, the exceesive amount of ZCA majyk makes complicaterd uses of the Z3 skins very fragile (easy to misconfigure, hard to discover what you broke). But they also have their merits. If I could make a wish, I'd like to see a shared implementation that marries all the benefits. :) Something I love a lot is the ++skin++ traverser for example. I also like the idea of tagging the Request object with structured information (an interface) to indicate specialisation. I hate that I have to spell the layer in each ZCML statement. Just my 0.02, Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Revert removal of ++skin++ in Zope4?
On 11/16/2011 04:12 PM, Laurence Rowe wrote: On 16 November 2011 12:28, Lennart Regebrorege...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:53, Charlie Clark charlie.cl...@clark-consulting.eu wrote: Am 16.11.2011, 12:49 Uhr, schrieb Lennart Regebrorege...@gmail.com: Right. Could we standardize on skins or browserlayers plz? Having both confuses the heck out of me. Definitely a topic that needs (re)-opening. From a CMF point of I think we're just about at the point where we could switch to browser layers, well, at least once CMF 2.3 has been released. But I think that CMF Skins still offer some functionality that you don't get with browser layers out of the box. When I said skins I meant ++skins++. CMF Skins must die. While I think there is definitely scope for simplifying the mix of competing skin concepts in the Zope/CMF/Plone space, we need to be careful not to bite off more than we can chew. We still have a lot of CMF skin scripts and templates in Plone that I don't want to become a blocker for adopting Zope 4. This should be the first of several releases that progressively rationalise our software stack, lets not try and do it all at once. Ack. -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Revert removal of ++skin++ in Zope4?
On 11/16/2011 11:30 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, I'd like to revert the removal of the ++skin++ traverser in Zope 4. As we're working on a replacement ZMI at a sprint currently (more details about that in a bit) we'd like to leverage this feature. From my perspective, I value that Zope 2/4 has always made some choices upfront that one could leverage right away. Especially as multiple orthogonal components (like: your application and the ZMI) need to leverage this plugin point, I'd rather have this provided by the framework. I couldn't find an argument anywhere why ++skin++ should be gone. I'm interpreting the thread overall as an OK to revive the ++skin++ traverser. Thanks, Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Zope 4 ZMI sprint report
Hi, as you might have noticed there was a sprint and we'd like to update you on what happened. :) Sorry if we under-communicated beforehand. As part of the DZUG[1] sprint series[2] we tried looking into what a refreshed ZMI for Zope 4 could be. We started working on some code (it's really not that much) and gathered our thoughts[3] about the ZMI that might be interesting for you to read. We hope to follow up on this in the near future. However, we also discussed technical and organisational hurdles that we met and that kept us from just doing the ZMI and we're currently approaching the Zope Foundation board about officially establishing the Zope 4 project and concentrating our efforts on that. We think there will be a need (and we have some ideas for that) to establish project management, a mission statement and road map so that we can all channel our efforts together. Cheers, Christian Theune (and Charlie Clark, Veit Schiele, Yvo Schubbe, Jens Vagelpohl) [1] In case you haven't heard, we're in the process of renaming this to Python Software Verband - Germany's Python Software Foundation. So PySV will be showing up instead of DZUG in the future. [2] We're working on a sprint series concept that will establish sprint opportunities for Python-related projects in Germany on a quarterly basis. I personally hope to use those to work on stuff like Zope 4 in a more productive manner than with those sprint days attached to an already exhausting conference. [3] http://docs.zope.org/zmi.core/thoughts.html -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Please, if you port to Python 3, port to 23
On 05/05/2011 07:41 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Lennart Regebrorege...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 17:36, Jim Fultonj...@zope.com wrote: If we decide to port zope.org-based projects to Python 3, please please please, port them to Python 23 rather than relying on 2to3 (or 3to2). That is, update the code to work with both Python 2 and Python 3. Relying on 2to3 (or 3to2) is a headache for anyone who uses a develop installation of a package. (It's also rather annoying for someone installing a 2to3-based project in Python 3.) I'm not sure exactly what using a develop installation means or what headaches it causes, Often, when working on a project, I'll check it out and create a develop egg that allows me to work with it in place. It's not practical to run 2to3 on it. This is especially true if I'm working on it while I'm working on something else. but, for many projects supporting Python 2 and Python 3 without 2to3 is going to require massive changes and/or dropping Python 2.5 support. That has to be considered. Right, Python 3 is a giant pain. 2to3 is far from perfect, so significant changes are often needed even if you use 2to3. I believe that the workflow impacts of 2to3 are far worse than the, admittedly painful, impacts of maintaining code that runs in Python 2.5-2.7 and 3.2. Buildout works with all these versions and it's been fairly straightforward to make it do so. Note: while Thomas and I worked on the Python 3 port of zc.buildout at the last Sprint we didn't even find it overly challenging to also keep Python 2.4 in the loop. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] [buildout] private releases
On 03/30/2011 07:12 AM, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote: * Martijn Pietersm...@zopatista.com [2011-03-29 20:59]: On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 14:16, Adam GROSZERagroszer...@gmail.com wrote: ...and just dump the .tgz sdists in that folder. Well the problem is that it's not always so simple. For me a release process is preferably a single command or a single click on a button. Both zest.releaser and jarn.mkrelease offer you simple single-command release options. I use jarn.mkrelease to make releases to private, password protected folders on our dist.jarn.com 'egg server' (apache directory indexes). (Shameless plug: ;-) gocept.zestreleaser.customupload is a plugin for zest.releaser that allows uploading the created egg via scp. We use this to put our non-public eggs into a folder that's served (and htpasswd protected) by an Apache or somesuch, no complicated egg server business required. So those solutions then require you to put the password for accessing it somewhere during deployment ... where is that for you? -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] 1st DZUG Sprint 2011
Hi, the German speaking Zope Users Group (DZUG e.V.) organizes a series of 4 sprints this year to support feature development within the proximity of the ZTK and solve problems encountered by Zope, Plone and Python developers. This is the announcement of the first sprint, although it's a bit late, I'd like you to consider whether you might wanna join us. Where and when == The sprint is scheduled for April 6th 2011 to April 8th 2011 and will take place at the Hasso-Plattner-Institut in Potsdam, Germany, which is where Martin v. Löwis is working at. On April 8th there will be a separate event in the evening for presenting the results of the sprint to Non-Sprinters in a relaxed atmosphere. Topics == The sprint topics will revolve around PyPI and zc.buildout including: * Making PyPI faster (Chameleon integration) * Adding support for the PyPI mirroring protocol to zc.buildout * Discussing how to deal with private releases * Porting zc.buildout to Python 3 More topic suggestions in this area are welcome - we'll gather them and review based on the following criteria: * Each topic in the sprint should be supported and worked on by at least two developers from independent organisations (to ensure a reasonable amount of varying perspective). * Each topic should be specific enough and limited in scope so that we can deal with it in 2 days in such a way that we get a result we can continue to build on and use. * We do not only want to see code but also documentation: be prepared to write module-specific developer documentation as well as documentation on how to use what you build. * Each topic shall be presented to others on Friday evening in a way that clarifies it's relevance and context. Please send your topic suggestions to spri...@dzug.org. Participation = Developers may participate after asking for an invitation and committing to one of the selected topics or suggesting a topic that gets selected. The organisation team may actively invite developers whose reputation suggests that they would be highly valuable within the scope of the sprint. Please be aware that the main working language of the sprint will be German. We're happy to have non-German-speaking developers around but be prepared to hear quite some amount of our tongue. ;) Please send your requests for participation by email to spri...@dzug.org Sponsoring == Organizing those sprints requires financial support - to make this sprint series sustainable we kindly ask you to consider sponsoring our effort. We have prepared sponsoring packages of 250 EUR to support a single sprint or 800 EUR to support all 4 sprints. If you're interested in a sponsoring package, please contact me by direct email. More information More information is available on the sprint website in German at http://www.zope.de/community/veranstaltungen/1.-dzug-sprint-2011 If you would like to get more information in English, feel free to respond to this post or contact me personally. Best regards, Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] We need to get the board green
On 03/23/2011 08:45 AM, Adam GROSZER wrote: Hello, On Wed, 23 Mar 2011 07:43:26 +0100 you wrote: * Tres Seavertsea...@palladion.com [2011-03-21 16:56]: Too many never-resolve failures in our buildbots makes their output just noise: the amount of effort required to diagnose the cause of a failure seems to have no payoff if we don't get them each cleared up. On a tangentially-related note, what happened to the proposed new summarizer formatting? Half a year ago (or whenever), I got the impression it was going to be ready in a few days, but it seems it never happened. What is needed to get this switched? (I'm not saying dressing the continuous failures up nicer is a solution to the problem Tres is presenting, but I do think the noisy format contributes to the confusion about the buildbots) You mind walking over to Theuni and asking him? ;-) Dang! I need to really change my lair now ... -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Sprints at PyCon
Hi, On 03/18/2011 04:47 AM, Chris McDonough wrote: On Sun, 2011-03-13 at 09:13 +0100, Christian Theune wrote: Hi Guys, On 02/10/2011 07:07 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, I'll be at PyCon during the sprints. As promised from the tasks last year, I'd be happy to organize Zope sprinting activity. Who's coming? Who's interested? Any topic suggestions? Sorry for not updating earlier - I was recovering from a sickness. Unfortunately that also means I won't be at PyCon at all, including the sprints. I guess you'll see each other anyway. Can someone take the lead and get everyone who's working on Zope stuff to post a quick update here during the sprints on what's going on? We missed you there... Heh, thanks! I'd really badly wanted to be there. But some virus told me otherwise. :/ -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] proposed ZNagios changes
On 03/14/2011 08:42 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: Hi. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 7:56 PM, David Glickdavidgl...@groundwire.org wrote: I'd like to make a couple changes to Products.ZNagios: 1. Add an optional setting in the munin plugin configuration to control which database to report metrics for, in Zope instances with multiple mountpoints. 2. Make the cacheconnections graph not assume that there are 4 connections. Are these changes okay? And can someone add me to the package on pypi (uid: davisagli)? I added you as a PyPi owner. Personally I don't use the package anymore, so don't have any relevant opinion on the changes ;) Same here - specifically for the Munin stuff. P.S. I use http://pypi.python.org/pypi/munin.zope these days. -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Sprints at PyCon
Hi Guys, On 02/10/2011 07:07 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, I'll be at PyCon during the sprints. As promised from the tasks last year, I'd be happy to organize Zope sprinting activity. Who's coming? Who's interested? Any topic suggestions? Sorry for not updating earlier - I was recovering from a sickness. Unfortunately that also means I won't be at PyCon at all, including the sprints. I guess you'll see each other anyway. Can someone take the lead and get everyone who's working on Zope stuff to post a quick update here during the sprints on what's going on? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting, development, hosting, operations ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Sprints at PyCon
On 02/10/2011 07:38 AM, Baiju M wrote: Hi Theune, On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Baiju Mbaiju.m.m...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Christian Theunec...@gocept.com wrote: Hi, I'll be at PyCon during the sprints. As promised from the tasks last year, I'd be happy to organize Zope sprinting activity. Who's coming? Who's interested? Any topic suggestions? I am coming to PyCON and planning to stay for sprint (all days). I have two suggestions: 1. Port ZTK to Python 3 2. Port ZTK to PyPy (trunk version is Python 2.7 compatible) I am interested to work on zc.buildout and recipes to port to Python 3. Right. There's more interest in that from others, too. The whole of ZTK will take a while longer, though, I guess. ;) I added Zope project here, with your name as the leader :) http://us.pycon.org/2011/sprints/projects/ It's a wiki, feel free to make changes! Cool, thanks! -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Sprints at PyCon
Hi, I'll be at PyCon during the sprints. As promised from the tasks last year, I'd be happy to organize Zope sprinting activity. Who's coming? Who's interested? Any topic suggestions? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] adduser command: give feedback about success
On 01/07/2011 11:55 PM, Maurits van Rees wrote: Hi all, I saw that Hanno added an entry point in Zope2 to create a bin/addzope2user command, which does the same as the 'bin/zopectl adduser' command. That got me thinking that I have always found it not very helpful that this command never gave feedback about whether the user addition was successful or not. In standard Zope2 it should always work as the _doAddUser method in AccessControl simply overwrites an existing user. But with Plone or other systems using Products.PluggableAuthService nothing is done in this case and the script just stops, giving you no clue that it failed. I propose to add this feedback. This needs a few simple changes in Zope2/utilities, Zope2/Startup, AccessControl, Products.PluggableAuthService, and a few doctest fixes in Products.Five. The change to Zope2/utilities/adduser.py would be this: === -adduser(app, user, pwd) +result = adduser(app, user, pwd) +if result: +print User %s created. % user +else: +print Got no result back. User creation may have failed. +print Maybe the user already exists and nothing is done then. +print Or the implementation does not give info when it succeeds. === The wording leaves room for the current _doAddUser implementations that simply never return info. Is it okay if I do this? Sounds bearable given what we have. :) -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Stopping weekly meetings, moving towards sprints
Hi, during my holidays I evaluated where I spend my time. I feel that the weekly IRC meetings in their current form do not foster more development or get stuff done on the maintenance side of things but keep rather reiterating on the things we feel we should do. As they keep adding more maintenance burden on me (preparation and post-mortem) without having much effect (it seemed there was some steam initially but that dropped substantially) I'll seek ways to contribute my time more efficiently. I had a very enjoyable face to face meeting with Hanno Schlichting and Veit Schiele (of DZUG fame) today in which we figured that we'd like to support creative action within the ZTK next year. We'd like to do so by organizing a sprint each quarter over here in Germany. We're sketching out details on how we want organization to work out over the next weeks so that we find the topics that are interesting to people. Our current goal is to get together during March for 3 days, probably in Berlin. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Stopping weekly meetings, moving towards sprints
Hi, On 12/21/2010 10:05 PM, Chris McDonough wrote: Thanks for giving it a shot Christian! I always read the meeting notes, if I didn't participate. Thanks, good to know that. :) -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Weekly meeting
Hi, I'm back from vacation (for a few days until the holidays kick in). :) I'm still getting back on track and I'll be online tomorrow but won't be able to prepare much. Whatever you want to talk about I'll be happy to discuss. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Draft of new aggregator
On 12/01/2010 03:17 PM, Benji York wrote: On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:04 AM, Jens Vagelpohlj...@dataflake.org wrote: If I understood Christian right he wants to keep the full list of entries sorted so everyone knows where to find their items of interest quickly. I think that's valuable, the full list should stay as it is. +1 Perhaps even a blank line between groups would help accentuate the groupings. I thought about that, too. However, there's no homogeneous syntax currently in place that defines the groups. -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Bug day and IRC meeting
Hi, today is bug day and I've been hacking away on the nightly test result aggregator script a bit to make the output more readable for the large number of results we get every night. Also, I'll be around for the 3pm UTC IRC meeting today. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Draft of new aggregator
Hi, here's a shot at a new format of the aggregated mails. My focus on this draft was: - allow dealing with *lots* of results every day more easily - allow having a graphical overview of how broken something is (group builders by prefix) - have a stable sorting so you can quickly pin-point whether something that you're interested in is broken - reduce the noise The draft here has line-breaks in the URLs which it didn't produce when viewing it in my mailer in the first place. Thoughts? Original Message Subject: Zope TestsNo messages Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:34:20 +0100 (CET) From: Zope tests summarizer ct+zopete...@gocept.com To: c...@gocept.com Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Mon Nov 29 13:34:00 2010 UTC to Tue Nov 30 13:34:00 2010 UTC. There were 79 messages: 6 from Zope Tests, 4 from buildbot at pov.lt, 19 from buildbot at winbot.zope.org, 9 from ccomb at free.fr, 41 from jdriessen at thehealthagency.com. [1]OK Bluebream / Python2.4.6 64bit linux [2]OK Bluebream / Python2.5.5 64bit linux [3]OK Bluebream / Python2.6.5 64bit linux [4]OK ZTK 1.0 / Python2.4.6 Linux 64bit [5]OK ZTK 1.0 / Python2.5.5 Linux 64bit [6]OK ZTK 1.0 / Python2.6.5 Linux 64bit [7]OK ZTK 1.0dev / Python2.4.6 Linux 64bit [8]OK ZTK 1.0dev / Python2.5.5 Linux 64bit [9]OK ZTK 1.0dev / Python2.6.5 Linux 64bit [10] OK Zope 3.4 Known Good Set / py2.4-32bit-linux [11] OK Zope 3.4 Known Good Set / py2.4-64bit-linux [12] OK Zope 3.4 Known Good Set / py2.5-32bit-linux [13] OK Zope 3.4 Known Good Set / py2.5-64bit-linux [14] OK Zope Buildbot / zope2.12-py2.6 slave-osx [15] OK Zope Buildbot / zope2.12-py2.6 slave-ubuntu32 [16] OK Zope Buildbot / zope2.12-py2.6 slave-ubuntu64 [17] OK Zope Buildbot / zope2.13-py2.6 slave-osx [18] OK Zope Buildbot / zope2.13-py2.6 slave-ubuntu32 [19] OK Zope Buildbot / zope2.13-py2.6 slave-ubuntu64 [20] OK Zope Buildbot / zope2.13-py2.7 slave-osx [21] FAILED Zope Buildbot / zope2.13-py2.7 slave-ubuntu32 [22] FAILED Zope Buildbot / zope2.13-py2.7 slave-ubuntu64 [23] OK Zope Buildbot / zope2.13_win-py2.6 slave-win [24] OK Zope Buildbot / zope2.13_win-py2.7 slave-win [25] OK Zope Buildbot / zope2.14-py2.6 slave-osx [26] OK Zope Buildbot / zope2.14-py2.6 slave-ubuntu32 [27] OK Zope Buildbot / zope2.14-py2.6 slave-ubuntu64 [28] OK Zope Buildbot / zope2.14-py2.7 slave-osx [29] FAILED Zope Buildbot / zope2.14-py2.7 slave-ubuntu32 [30] FAILED Zope Buildbot / zope2.14-py2.7 slave-ubuntu64 [31] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-1.0-py2.4 slave-osx [32] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-1.0-py2.4 slave-ubuntu32 [33] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-1.0-py2.4 slave-ubuntu64 [34] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-1.0-py2.5 slave-osx [35] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-1.0-py2.5 slave-ubuntu32 [36] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-1.0-py2.5 slave-ubuntu64 [37] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-1.0-py2.6 slave-osx [38] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-1.0-py2.6 slave-ubuntu32 [39] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-1.0-py2.6 slave-ubuntu64 [40] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-1.0_win-py2.4 slave-win [41] FAILED Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-1.0_win-py2.5 slave-win [42] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-1.0_win-py2.6 slave-win [43] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-py2.5 slave-osx [44] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-py2.5 slave-ubuntu32 [45] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-py2.5 slave-ubuntu64 [46] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-py2.6 slave-osx [47] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-py2.6 slave-ubuntu32 [48] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-py2.6 slave-ubuntu64 [49] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-py2.7 slave-osx [50] FAILED Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-py2.7 slave-ubuntu32 [51] FAILED Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit-py2.7 slave-ubuntu64 [52] FAILED Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit_win-py2.5 slave-win [53] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit_win-py2.6 slave-win [54] OK Zope Buildbot / zopetoolkit_win-py2.7 slave-win [55] OK Zope-2.10 Python-2.4.6 : Linux [56] OK Zope-2.11 Python-2.4.6 : Linux [57] OK Zope-2.12 Python-2.6.5 : Linux [58] OK Zope-2.12-alltests Python-2.6.5 : Linux [59] OK Zope-trunk Python-2.6.5 : Linux [60] OK Zope-trunk-alltests Python-2.6.5 : Linux [61] OK winbot / ZODB_dev py_254_win32 [62] OK winbot / ZODB_dev py_265_win32 [63] OK winbot / ZODB_dev py_265_win64 [64] OK winbot / ZODB_dev py_270_win32 [65] OK winbot / ZODB_dev py_270_win64 [66] OK winbot / zc_buildout_dev py_254_win32 [67] OK winbot / zc_buildout_dev py_265_win32 [68] OK winbot / zc_buildout_dev py_265_win64 [69] OK winbot / zc_buildout_dev py_270_win32 [70] OK winbot /
Re: [Zope-dev] Bug day and IRC meeting
Hi, On 11/30/2010 02:43 PM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, today is bug day and I've been hacking away on the nightly test result aggregator script a bit to make the output more readable for the large number of results we get every night. Also, I'll be around for the 3pm UTC IRC meeting today. To wrap this up: I've spend a bit of time today revamping the aggregator script (there's drafts floating around now) and we discussed this during the IRC meeting. I guess we almost have this ready as a replacement now. I've been lagging in the last weeks with summarizing what happened during the meetings, so fortunately this week wasn't so bad. ;) However, I'm looking forward to a two-week holiday, so I won't be present at the meetings next week and the week after. I'll be back at the meeting on 2010-12-21, though. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Draft of new aggregator
On 11/30/2010 06:04 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/30/10 16:06 , Christian Theune wrote: Hi, here's a shot at a new format of the aggregated mails. My focus on this draft was: - allow dealing with *lots* of results every day more easily - allow having a graphical overview of how broken something is (group builders by prefix) - have a stable sorting so you can quickly pin-point whether something that you're interested in is broken - reduce the noise Looks good to me, much better than what we have now. I'm guessing the URLs will be fixed to point to http://mail.zope.org... instead of file:///tmp/mail.zope.org..., right? Yeah. I just mirrored the data to my local machine to get faster results ... Here's the draft we ended up with yesterday: jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAkz1LqsACgkQRAx5nvEhZLKtsACgjwcVfPvgDqr9UNAwFsnQhkls RdMAn2PEw7gtWKcOdIuS+kQi712CSmwh =zxEc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Draft of new aggregator
On 11/30/2010 06:04 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/30/10 16:06 , Christian Theune wrote: Hi, here's a shot at a new format of the aggregated mails. My focus on this draft was: - allow dealing with *lots* of results every day more easily - allow having a graphical overview of how broken something is (group builders by prefix) - have a stable sorting so you can quickly pin-point whether something that you're interested in is broken - reduce the noise Looks good to me, much better than what we have now. I'm guessing the URLs will be fixed to point to http://mail.zope.org... instead of file:///tmp/mail.zope.org..., right? Yeah. I just mirrored the data to my local machine to get faster results ... Here's the draft we ended up with yesterday: http://dpaste.com/281566/ -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Bug day: Tuesday 2010-11-30
Hi, the Doodle has spoken: our next bug day will be on 2010-11-30 as 3 out of 4 people have time there. So again to everybody: I'd like to invite you to join us fixing bugs in the general area of Zope (2, ZTK, grok, whatever). If you can spare some time, please join us. We'll hang out on #z...@freenode. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Doodle for bug day
Hi, another bug day would be nice and here's the doodle: http://www.doodle.com/huvz2swwpaebab4u Pick the day(s) you'd prefer to participate in the bug day and remember: you don't have to spend the whole day - bug day is about advancing together not achieving world peace in a day. :) Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer IRC meeting on Tuesday 15:00 UTC
Hi, this week didn't see a meeting, AFAICT from the logs. So I'm picking up where we left a while ago and would suggest we check for: - input from people who attended the Plone conference - input from people who attended the grok sprint - An update on the repository policy? There's a nagging script supposed to appear ... ;) - summit goals We'll probably not be able to touch all of that, so I suppose we pick the issues depending on who participates. See you next week at 15:00 UTC (watch your local winter time adjustments!) on #z...@freenode. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] logrotation/logreopening in ZTK-based applications
On 11/12/2010 06:22 AM, Fred Drake wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 8:23 AM, I said: There's a package called zc.signalhandler in the Zope Corporation repository that I'll be open-sourcing. This is now available on svn.zope.org. The tests pass with Python 2.4, 2.5, 2.6, and 2.7. I've added a brief README.txt to show how it's used; there's a more extensive doctest inside the package. Cool, thanks! -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] logrotation/logreopening in ZTK-based applications
On 11/10/2010 02:23 PM, Fred Drake wrote: On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Christian Theunec...@gocept.com wrote: We have a ZTK-based app and found that the server provides neither signal handling to rotate logs nor a zopectl command. Does anybody remember wether this was ever built? Christian, If you want size- or time-based rotation, that can be configured directly using ZConfig. There's a package called zc.signalhandler in the Zope Corporation repository that I'll be open-sourcing. It'll let you include something like this in your zope.conf: signalhandlers myapp usr2 ZConfig.components.logger.loghandler.reopenFiles /signalhandlers That will let you re-open ZConfig-configured log files based on a signal. (The myapp is a turdly bit caused by using the same schema bits asproduct-info sections in the zope.conf schema.) That's what I'm looking for - would be great if you found the time to release it. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] logrotation/logreopening in ZTK-based applications
On 11/10/2010 03:21 PM, Adam GROSZER wrote: Hello Christian, Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 8:47:43 AM, you wrote: CT Hi, CT Zope 2 provides a command to ask it to re-open its log files thus CT supporting outside logrotation. CT We have a ZTK-based app and found that the server provides neither CT signal handling to rotate logs nor a zopectl command. Does anybody CT remember wether this was ever built? CT I see an old discussion on the Python list CT (http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-January/059566.html) CT but no conclusion. CT If this isn't in yet, does anybody know what the right place would be? CT (I guess the packages providing the main loops and configuring the CT process would be the right ones.) I think ZTK should have a configurable log rotation built-in. Like: logfile path log.log formatter zope.exceptions.log.Formatter max-size 50MB old-files 5 /logfile I'd like to keep this out of the server: rotation is a system administration task where I'd like to rely on the policies and tools provided by the system environment. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] logrotation/logreopening in ZTK-based applications
Hi, Zope 2 provides a command to ask it to re-open its log files thus supporting outside logrotation. We have a ZTK-based app and found that the server provides neither signal handling to rotate logs nor a zopectl command. Does anybody remember wether this was ever built? I see an old discussion on the Python list (http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-January/059566.html) but no conclusion. If this isn't in yet, does anybody know what the right place would be? (I guess the packages providing the main loops and configuring the process would be the right ones.) Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting next Tuesday at 15:00 UTC
Hi, On 10/29/2010 03:26 PM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, for next week's meeting (#zope on freenode, as always) I propose to hear from the PloneConf, check with the summit goals, and follow up on the bicycle toolkit again (Charlie, you coming?) Hmm. It's either been DST confusion or Plone Conference exhaustion, but Marius and me were the only ones but didn't discuss anything. I won't be there next week unfortunately, as I'll be travelling for a customer. (I *might* be there but with only a very slight chance.) Charlie? Can you take over? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope.18n:translate() keyword arguments versus MessageID attributes
On 10/29/2010 08:26 AM, Michael Howitz wrote: Am 27.10.2010 um 08:52 schrieb Christian Theune: On 10/27/2010 08:44 AM, Michael Howitz wrote: [...] +1 But the `mapping` attribute should update the existing mapping of the message ID as this would allow to have a partial mapping stored on the message ID and add the other part when translating. Does this use case really appear that often? I think of it as low hanging fruit. You're probably right. I see that there isn't much danger to doing that as the mappings shouldn't be too large anyway and the code that processes them doesn't allow for control structures based on their values so having superfluous values wouldn't hurt and this behaviour would keep old code working. OTOH can you make a feature request for this so I can deal with it separately? https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope.i18n/+bug/668189 (Did not find out how to make a feature request, so filed it as bug.) Make a bug and mark it wishlist. I've done that for your. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Sprints in 2011
Hi, I volunteered to take care of overall sprint organization for next year. My current plan is to have around 3 topic-focused sprints in addition to being present at PyCon and EuroPython for more general (conference) sprinting. I've started a wiki page here: http://wiki.zope.org/ztk/ZopeSprints2011 If you're interested in anything related to Zope software that you'd like to work together with other people during the next year, then please talk to me, tell me what the topic is and when and where you'd prefer a sprint. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting next Tuesday at 15:00 UTC
Hi, for next week's meeting (#zope on freenode, as always) I propose to hear from the PloneConf, check with the summit goals, and follow up on the bicycle toolkit again (Charlie, you coming?) Christian ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope.18n:translate() keyword arguments versus MessageID attributes
On 10/27/2010 08:44 AM, Michael Howitz wrote: Am 26.10.2010 um 16:13 schrieb Tres Seaver: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/26/2010 09:36 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, I've fiddled a bit with https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zope.i18n/+bug/592753 and ended up with an unclear situation: The ``translate'' methods of both zope.i18n and ITranslationDomain have optional parameters for the domain/default/mapping attributes of a message ID. The message ID attributes always override the parameters but it is not said why. (I probed the tests and they at least verify that this is the case but don't state motivation.) As I had to chase this down for quite a while when I originally tried to call zope.i18n.translate() directly (for providing translated emails) it took me quite a while to understand what's going on. I see two possibilities for improving the situation: - don't implicitly ignore the parameters, but raise an exception if both a message id and at least one of the parameters (domain/default /mapping) is given and write some documentation that explains the situation (what is happening and why) or - make the parameters take precedence over the message id attributes So - why not do the latter? I prefer the latter, and don't think we need a deprecation cycle for it: if the call site is passing in a mapping, that is presumably more specific than anything stored in the catalog. I can't see how we would break anything here, as nobody is likely to have actually used the feature (since it is effectively a no-op). +1 But the `mapping` attribute should update the existing mapping of the message ID as this would allow to have a partial mapping stored on the message ID and add the other part when translating. Does this use case really appear that often? I see that there isn't much danger to doing that as the mappings shouldn't be too large anyway and the code that processes them doesn't allow for control structures based on their values so having superfluous values wouldn't hurt and this behaviour would keep old code working. OTOH can you make a feature request for this so I can deal with it separately? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Bug day and developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi, On 10/26/2010 09:14 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, Today is a bug day and the weekly developer meeting. I haven't managed to write up the log from last week, but basically Jim, me, and some others talked about about the need for being able to communicate/document architecture/design decisions well - we didn't find the grand solution, though. ;) Today, we'll meet, as always, in #z...@freenode at 15:00 UTC. This week my job of summarizing is suprisingly easy: nothing to summarize as I was the only attendee of the meeting. So, just in case: if you're not happy with the topics I propose, please feel free to suggest others or just walk in. I'm happy to provide the regular space (and time) and am open to any issues regarding zope-dev. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Bug day and developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi, Today is a bug day and the weekly developer meeting. I haven't managed to write up the log from last week, but basically Jim, me, and some others talked about about the need for being able to communicate/document architecture/design decisions well - we didn't find the grand solution, though. ;) Today, we'll meet, as always, in #z...@freenode at 15:00 UTC. Topics will be: - Follow-up on summit goals - The bicycle toolkit Christian ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] zope.18n:translate() keyword arguments versus MessageID attributes
Hi, I've fiddled a bit with https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zope.i18n/+bug/592753 and ended up with an unclear situation: The ``translate'' methods of both zope.i18n and ITranslationDomain have optional parameters for the domain/default/mapping attributes of a message ID. The message ID attributes always override the parameters but it is not said why. (I probed the tests and they at least verify that this is the case but don't state motivation.) As I had to chase this down for quite a while when I originally tried to call zope.i18n.translate() directly (for providing translated emails) it took me quite a while to understand what's going on. I see two possibilities for improving the situation: - don't implicitly ignore the parameters, but raise an exception if both a message id and at least one of the parameters (domain/default /mapping) is given and write some documentation that explains the situation (what is happening and why) or - make the parameters take precendence over the message id attributes So - why not do the latter? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] My bug day wrap-up
Hi, here's a quick wrap-up of what I did to zope.i18n today: - I merged the duplicate bugs asking for ngettext support. - I started working on Sphinx documentation by taking Tres' example from zope.event, playing with it, and start pulling in some API documentation. It's really nowhere useful yet, but hey, it's a start. - I merged a (long missing) NAME_RE change from zope.tal.taldefs to zope.i18n. I'm feeling somewhat uncomfortable with having to just blindly copy it over: neither packages test for the change and I was unable to locate where it came from as it seemed to have happened during the large rename/restructure back in 2003. So, what's up for everyone else who joined the bug day? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Bug day next tuesday, 2010-10-26
Hi, another bug day! I've picked next Tuesday based on the input from the Doodle (Charlie and me) and the IRC (Tres). So, if you'd like something to get improved: please join us. Remember: you don't have to join the whole day - fixing a bug is always helpful and you'll be more likely to be able to contribute something if you don't try to fit the whole day into your probably busy schedule. We'll hang out, as always, on IRC at #z...@freenode. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] My plans for bug day: zope.i18n
Hi, I looked around for tasks to handle during the next bug day and I think I'll pick up some zope.i18n bugs. Here's what I found: #592753 - The module level translate function kills the mapping that is passed in if the message is a message object. I'm not sure what the exact expectation is: either replace or update the mapping that's on the message object already. If anyone has an idea, I'd like to hear it. Otherwise I'll dig around the code a bit #161985 seems to be a duplicate of #567482. Is it? #615821 the package's documentation needs to be turned Sphinx style. I think I'd like to help with that. I think Tres' did provide a summary of what to do somewhere. Does someone know from the top of his head? #611746 where a regular expression seems to not match exactly what it should. I think I'll look into that if I have time left on the bug day. Does anyone have an opinion on this? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting TODAY at 15:00 UTC
Hi, so, here's this week's summary: We talked a bit about the summary goals. I will (have to) do some nagging to get everyone who signed up to fill in his details and timeframe. If anyone feels nagged already, you can go straight here: http://wiki.zope.org/ztk/ZopeSummit2010Summary Some of us already put in our time frames and some more detailed explanations. Also, we talked about the bug days. This time we seem to have quite low interest, maybe the week is bad or so... However, we'd like to point out (or remind) that you don't have to schedule your whole day for participating with a bug day: spending an hour or so to fix some bug makes a much larger difference than not being able to join for a whole day. ;) In addition to that, we'd like to encourage everyone to pick some bugs they'd like to work on *before* the bug day. Especially if you pick bugs that need some discussion/explanation it will help you actually achieve something on the bug day if you understand what's going on and what needs to be done - that's going to be much more satisfying. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting next Tuesday at 15:00 UTC
Hi, here's the reminder and agenda for next week's meeting: We'll meet, as always, in #z...@freenode at 15:00 UTC. Topics will be: - Follow-up on summit goals - Planning the next bug day - The bicycle toolkit I hope you enjoy your weekend and see you next week, Christian ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Toolkit 1.0 release
On 10/13/2010 08:03 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/13/2010 11:59 AM, Jan-Wijbrand Kolman wrote: Hello. On behalf of the Zope Toolkit release team and the Zope community, I'm happy to announce the release of Zope Toolkit version 1.0! You can read more about the release at http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/releases/overview-1.0.html. The first ZTK release supports all of Python 2.4, 2.5 and 2.6. To use the ZTK release, you can use: [buildout] extends = http://download.zope.org/zopetoolkit/index/1.0/ztk-versions.cfg http://download.zope.org/zopetoolkit/index/1.0/zopeapp-versions.cfg This release focuses on cleaning up the ztk and zopeapp package lists by deprecating packages that are not used by any of the frameworks that use the ZTK. It should provide a stable set of libraries that are known to work well together and for the frameworks to expand on. We post our meeting notes at http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/releaseteam/index.html. Feel free to start discussing with us on this mailing list. Yay! Congratulations and thanks for all the hard work the team has put into getting this release out the door. Indeed. I'm happy to see this happen. :) -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting TODAY at 15:00 UTC
Gah. Editing old posts ... :) -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed
On 10/07/2010 03:01 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote: On Thu, Oct 07, 2010 at 08:52:41AM +0200, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: On 10/6/10 18:33 , Tres Seaver wrote: +1 for dropping the test: if we aren't going to try to fix it to pass, then scrap it. Note that I actually feel the same way about *all* the every-day failures: the value of the every-day mail drops sharply when there are any expected failures. For me personally the value has dropped so far that I am mostly ignoring those emails. I used to ignore them, now I pay attention. They are hard to parse to begin with and there are just too many buildbot entries. What do you think about the overview table at http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/process/buildbots.html#the-nightly-builds ? I wonder if it would make sense to send separate emails per software package (such as ZTK, Zope2, etc) so that people can pick and choose. -1 for separate emails. One per day is plenty enough. +1 for better organization within the email. Currently the build results are grouped by status, and then ordered by time. I'd prefer if they were grouped by status, and then grouped by OS (or by project; don't care much) inside the larger per-status groups. I think that ordering by name, only showing the bad status is a better idea for the *summary*. Having a stable sorting makes it easier to look for your entry. Dropping the OKs will make noise go away. I also suggest a single URL in the mail to go to a more detailed page in case you care for something specific to avoid the noise of visible text urls sprinkled all over the place. Like this: /= SNIP Subject: Zope Tests: 42 OK, 8 Failed zc_buildout_dev py_244_win32 / winbot.zope.org - FAILED zope2.12 slave-osx / thehealthagency.com - FAILED zope2.12 slave-ubuntu64 / thehealthagency.com - UNKONWN ztk_dev py_254_win32 / winbot.zope.org - FAILED ztk_dev py_265_win32 / winbot.zope.org - FAILED ztk_dev py_265_win64 / winbot.zope.org - FAILED ztk_dev py_270_win32 / winbot.zope.org - FAILED ztk_dev py_270_win64 / winbot.zope.org - UNKNOWN Status details can be found here: http://example.com/zopetests/2010-01-12-00:30:15.html \= SNAP -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting next Tuesday at 15:00 UTC
On 10/05/2010 01:51 PM, Charlie Clark wrote: Am 05.10.2010, 07:44 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theunec...@gocept.com: Me bad. My scheduling isn't good enough it seems. I need to be on the road at 3pm UTC today and won't be there. :/ Charlie? Shit. I have a doctor's appointment at 13:00 UTC. I hope I am back in time but if not can I ask Adam to step in? Sure thing. -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting next Tuesday at 15:00 UTC
Sigh, On 10/01/2010 03:50 PM, Christian Theune wrote: Good afternoon, another developer meeting is coming up next Tuesday at 15:00 UTC. Me bad. My scheduling isn't good enough it seems. I need to be on the road at 3pm UTC today and won't be there. :/ Charlie? -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting next Tuesday at 15:00 UTC
Good afternoon, another developer meeting is coming up next Tuesday at 15:00 UTC. As the discussion about the goals that were established during the last meeting didn't get a conclusion last time, I'll pick it up again. I'd also like to review the bug day as it seems there was only little participation. Maybe we need to do something different about the scheduling? Finally, the repository policy came up in a recent ZF board meeting, so we should check what's going on there. And if you have any other topic you'd like to discuss: speak up! See you next Tuesday! Christian ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting next Tuesday at 15:00 UTC
Hi, On 09/28/2010 04:48 PM, Charlie Clark wrote: Am 28.09.2010, 16:42 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theunec...@gocept.com: I won't be there today as I have to fix some stuff around my flat, but I'll go through the logs tomorrow. I guess this means a job for Theuni's stand-in! See you all in a few minutes. :-D I just updated the minutes and the summary should be visible soonish (http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100928.html) As I saw you went through the summary and the list of goals. I partially put in only the headlines as I missed to take enough notes during the meeting. I then opted for releasing the summary quickly instead of lagging to gather all the missing information right away. I would appreciate if the task owners filled in the deadlines and a little more detail themselves. (I might at some point go through the list and ask people directly if they seem AWOL). Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting next Tuesday at 15:00 UTC
Hi, On 09/24/2010 07:56 PM, Christian Theune wrote: Good evening, another developer meeting is coming up next Tuesday at 15:00 UTC. During the meta-discussion this week Charlie mentioned that we really need to keep following up on the issues/goals/topics that were identified during the summit. So, before returning to pure maintenance topics and as the summary [1] is online now, I'll open up the next agenda to deal with the outcome of the summit. I won't be there today as I have to fix some stuff around my flat, but I'll go through the logs tomorrow. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Good news: ZODB will work with Python 2.7 (was Re: Heads up: ZODB probably won't work with Python 2.7)
On 09/24/2010 05:16 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: Thanks to Tim Peters for helping me figure out the fix. Cheers for Tim! :) -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Summary from the summit
Hi there, thanks again for everyone who joined the summit, I was happy to see so many of you come. The summit definitely had its ups and downs and the discussions continued even after when some of you joined us at the DZUG conference and even the sprints on the weekend after. I have compiled a summary from the index cards and notes and put it next to the organisational Wiki page: http://wiki.zope.org/ztk/ZopeSummit2010Summary Some of the ideas that were presented and some of the discussions that were started aren't concluded yet so use the summary as a reminder of what topics you'd like to continue talking about and then do so. :) Also, we have volunteers for individual goals. If you volunteered for something, please check back with the goal and help me write down the more specific agreements that were promised. Although we didn't come to a single grandiose conclusion, I'd like to point out that I personally (by continued discussion over the week) found ideas that I'd like to pursue in the future within the Zope community and thus have drawn energy from talking to you - I hope that you had at least a little bit of the same. Hope to see you all again soon, Christian PS: I don't want to be secretive about my ideas, but then again, I don't know how far I can develop the idea. It's basically about taking the ideas of the component architecture, decouple stuff from the web, separate the concerns more cleanly etc. In some discussions we dived down into more of the patterns and DDD community and I'm hoping to explore some of their good ideas (not the architecture astronaut ones) but that's a separate story from this post ... -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting next Tuesday at 15:00 UTC
Good evening, another developer meeting is coming up next Tuesday at 15:00 UTC. During the meta-discussion this week Charlie mentioned that we really need to keep following up on the issues/goals/topics that were identified during the summit. So, before returning to pure maintenance topics and as the summary [1] is online now, I'll open up the next agenda to deal with the outcome of the summit. Hope to see you next week, Christian ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Good morning, another developer meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC. I'd like to talk about your post-summit thoughts (I still need to prepare the summary for those who haven't been there, though). Also, the next bug day wants to be organized and I'd like to revisit the meta issues around the meeting itself. See you later, Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] No weekly meeting today, summary of summit
Hi, there's not weekly meeting today where Charlie or I will attend as most of us are at the (closing) summit and move to the DZUG conference afterwards. I'll post a summary of the summit in the near future. :) Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] September bugday
Hi there, On 08/24/2010 05:34 PM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, and here's the Doodle for the next bug day. I've moved it further away than 4 weeks as many people seem to join us at the summit and the conference and we figured we don't want this to overlap and give people a quiet week afterwards. http://doodle.com/ntqpvpcaxdwus352 Hope to see you there! I'd like to close the poll soonish (read: tonight), so if you haven't added your name and intend to participate, please add your preferred dates for the bug day! Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi again, our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC. I'd like to catch up with topics that have been in limbo for a while: - Supporting Python 2.7 - Abandoned projects - Windows compiler licenses Does anybody else have other topics? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope.app.appsetup and RootErrorReportingUtility
On 08/30/2010 03:01 PM, Adam GROSZER wrote: Hello, zope.app.appsetup installs the following RootErrorReportingUtility: ensureUtility(root_folder, IErrorReportingUtility, '', RootErrorReportingUtility, copy_to_zlog=False) My problem with this is that copy_to_zlog=False, that means if your app is *really* hosed you don't get the error logged to the usual error.log or event.log and are also *unable* to access the UI of the utility. Anyone objects a change to copy_to_zlog=True as default? +1 -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi, On 08/31/2010 10:32 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: Hi. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Christian Theunec...@gocept.com wrote: our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC. I won't make it to todays meeting, so some notes upfront. Thanks for noting. That reminds me that I can't be there either, but I'll ask Charlie whether he can take over. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi again, our weekly meeting is coming up today at 15:00 UTC. I had a request that we talk about the buildbot organization and I'd also like to review the bug day. Does anybody else have other topics? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Bug day reports
Hi everyone, last week was a bug day and I'd like to repeat the exercise from last time: it would be nice if everyone who was involved in some way to speak up and say what they worked on. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi, looks like my announcement was too late already. Hanno was there and we chatted a bit, one of the outcomes was his update mail which you already received. See you on the bug day tomorrow, or next week at the weekly meeting! Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
On 08/18/2010 09:36 AM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: Hi. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Christian Theunec...@gocept.com wrote: Hanno was there and we chatted a bit, one of the outcomes was his update mail which you already received. Hhm, interesting. Are you or me hallucinating? I definitely wasn't at the zope-dev meeting. There was a ZTK release team meeting before, though. Maybe you talked to J-W or ccomb. Hallucination. It was J-W. (Sorry, J-W!) See you on the bug day tomorrow, or next week at the weekly meeting! /me sadly won't make it. I have a customer visiting the rest of the week. Ouh! Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC
Hi again, late, but here it is: We have an IRC meeting coming up in about an hour. Topics, if nothing else comes up, will be - upcoming bug day - test noise reduction - how to choose topics for the weekly meeting Hope to see you later, Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting 2010-08-10 at 15:00 UTC
Hi there, On 08/10/2010 02:16 PM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi everyone, today's another meeting coming up. and here's the notes from yesterday's meeting: The DZUG conference will get some more announcements through the Python conference advertisement channels. The summit preparation is currently making sure everyone's travel and accomodation works out. Topics will be prepared in the next days. The daily test messages are noisy and we'll try to improve the aggregator to make them more readable. We need contact with Stefan Holek for this. The wineggbuilder is online and now automatically building Python binary packages. There is documentation about it online here: http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/process/winbotsetup.html (Adam will add a few introductory sentences for developers who want to leverage it, soon.) On the documentation improvement front, Christian managed to create the blueprint and bugs for tracking the effort. That's it from this week, the long, detailed version is here: http://svn.zope.org/zopetoolkit/doc/source/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100810.rst?rev=115633view=auto See you next week! Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: ETag support for zope.browserresource
On 08/10/2010 12:37 AM, Sidnei da Silva wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Marius Gedminasmar...@gedmin.as wrote: I've added ETag support for zope.browserresource in a branch: http://zope3.pov.lt/trac/changeset/115596 Does anybody have any comments/objections? If not, I'd like to merge this to trunk and release zope.browserresource 3.11.0. +1 as long as there's a way to disable or configure how it's computed. There's some information about issues with ETags here: http://developer.yahoo.com/performance/rules.html#etags I see that your implementation uses last-modified + size, which should generally be fine. However if you're load-balancing across two different servers and the timestamps don't match then the ETag is useless. On a completely different note, I see that the File object reads the whole file into memory. Hum. Maybe RAM is cheaper than Disk these days and it doesn't matter, but reading whole files into memory generally raises a red flag for me. IOPS aren't cheap nowadays. The IOPS/MB have had the issue that the MB kept increasing a lot in disks but the IOPS didn't catch up that much, so it may not even be a RAM issue but throughput/caching/IOPS. -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope.i18nmessageid 3.5.3 released (windows binaries needed)
On 08/10/2010 07:19 AM, Chris McDonough wrote: I made a new release of zope.i18nmessageid (3.5.3) persuant to a conversation that took place on this list a few weeks ago related to switching back to overriding build_ext to allow the package to work on Jython and other CPython platforms. Would someone be kind enough to build and upload new Windows binaries? Hmm. There should be dragons here that take care of that automatically if I understood the wineggbuilder correctly. -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting 2010-08-10 at 15:00 UTC
Hi everyone, today's another meeting coming up. Charlie asked for talking about the summit and the upcoming Zope/Python/Plone conference in Germany. I'd like to get back to the documentation and also the automated builders (there's still too much noise going on IMHO). Agenda (in a few minutes): http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100810.html Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting 2010-08-02 at 15:00 UTC
Hi, there notes from this weeks meeting should appear in a few minutes: http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100803.html In short: Documentation improvements are making progress with Jens leading on making stuff accessible on doc.zope.org. Getting the packages in shape needs support with some initial bookkeeping (blueprints/bugs) and probably some coordinated effort at a sprint. Has everyone who was supposed to received their MSDN licenses by now? Adam is done with the Windows egg builder but due to PyPI issues and a hickup in doc.zope.org we couldn't review it. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting 2010-08-02 at 15:00 UTC
Hi everyone, tomorrow's the weekly IRC meeting. As Jens mentioned some progress on the documentation, I've pulled that issue back on the Agenda for tomorrow. Also, as Adam started documenting the wineggbuilder I've pulled the testing/buildbot topic up. Agenda (in a few minutes): http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100803.html Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting 2010-08-02 at 15:00 UTC
On 08/02/2010 04:51 PM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi everyone, tomorrow's the weekly IRC meeting. That's 2010-08-03 of course ... -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] unit test policy questions
On 07/29/2010 02:17 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 7/29/10 14:00 , Martin Aspeli wrote: On 29 July 2010 19:26, yuppiey.2...@wcm-solutions.de wrote: 1.) Is it still policy to add these lines? 2.) Is there a better solution for using zope testrunner than the one shown above? I never do either. I install zc.recipe.testrunner in a buildout and use bin/test, which picks up tests in modules automatically. Same here. I have never in my life run tests by executing the module. The options provided by the testrunner to pare down what I want to test have always been sufficient for me. I have had a tendency to add these blurbs myself, thinking I guess it's useful for *someone*. But IMHO it's like those CVS/SVN $Id$ snippets, it's not really useful anymore. Fullack. Even better: the current test runner even lets you avoid the test_suite function in many cases. -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting 2010-07-27 at 15:00 UTC
On 07/27/2010 08:50 PM, Charlie Clark wrote: Am 27.07.2010, 16:31 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theunec...@gocept.com: I'd like to see whether someone was at EuroPython and can report whether anything interesting for us, the Zope developers, happened. I was there but I couldn't join in today's meeting as I was still airborne. My BFG presentation seemed to go down pretty well and Zope/Plone seemed to be pretty well represented, better than the current framework du jour, Django. It was great to see Zopish stuff (ZCA and ZODB) presented outside the web world and Matt Hamilton did a sterling job promoting the Plone conference in Bristol in October. I did my best to plug the upcoming Python (and Zope) conference in Dresden in September but was a bit hampered at having to do this *without* any visual support, although my Macbook had no trouble with the main projector (seemed to crash lots of machines - my guess is that the VGA signal wasn't properly damped), as I was able to announce it between lightning talks. Only two slots for lightning talks but I really the one after lunch much better than sticking them at the end of day. [...] Thanks for the report! Is there a list of talks online where we can get the links to the Zope-related ones, maybe even slides, from? Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] EP reports
Hi, Charlie already send a report from his EP visit. If anybody else visited and found something relevant for the rest of us (talks? sprints? interesting discussion topics that popped up?) then I'd like to invite you to share your thoughts! Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting 2010-07-27 at 15:00 UTC
Hi, for the summary: No EP participant was around, but (as you can see) we're asking for quick updates from participants via the mailing list. The experiment for reviewing languishing bugs turned into a more general discussionabout responsiveness, process, expectations and others. No decisions were made but we can probably use some of it as an input for the summit. See the IRC log if you're interested in the full 20 minutes. http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100727.html Cheers, Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting 2010-07-27 at 15:00 UTC
Hi again, late, but here it is: We have an IRC meeting coming up in about 30 minutes. I'd like to see whether someone was at EuroPython and can report whether anything interesting for us, the Zope developers, happened. I'd also like to try again doing some languishing bug review together. Just to make sure: I want us to take 10-15 minutes to review new bugs and either reject them or accept them as valid bugs signalling the reporters that we have seen them (and will deal with them eventually). Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Doodle for August bug day
On 07/20/2010 05:13 PM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi everyone, here's the Doodle for our next bug day: http://www.doodle.com/6gydequztpac3xud Wow! 9 people doodled and there's a day that seems acceptable to everyone: Thursday, 2010-08-19 will be our next bug day. I'm excited already about the number of people wanting to join! See you then! Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting 2010-07-20 at 15:00 UTC
Hi, and here's the summary from this week. We had a quick review of the bug day, noticing that only two people actively joined it. We think it was due to scheduling issues and holiday season. (The next bug day already looks much more promising with 9 people already signed up.) Also, I tried to get everyone triaging some bugs but miscommunicated my goal so we ended up me triaging bugs while everybody else was waiting for me to talk about triaging them. In the meantime we discussed some smaller isseus. I'll try doing better next week about this, but I still think it might be a good idea to spend 15 minutes together triaging some bugs to get the languishing bug reports down. The full report is here: http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100720.html (pending SVN update) See you next week, Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Help review #181754
On 07/21/2010 09:17 AM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 2010-7-21 07:32, Wolfgang Schnerring wrote: * Wichert Akkermanwich...@wiggy.net [2010-07-20 19:28]: On 2010-7-20 18:15, Christian Theune wrote: At least, WRT this bug, I don't think it's a good idea to ask explicitly for bad requests to go to the application as the test layer should model real server behaviour as closely as possible. And again it wouldn't make sense anyway as you can't pass an unparsable request to the application. I'm not sure I agree. Like everything else servers have bugs, so it can't hurt to test how your application would behave given certain server bugs. I don't think it is usually a productive assumption that lower layers fail to uphold their end of the contract. Maybe an extrapolation/hyperbole illustrates my opinion: Cosmic rays might also flip bits in your computer's RAM or disk, but I don't think it's worthwile to test how your application reacts when the python interpreter (or whoever, really) presents it with mangled data structures or objects or whatnot. And for some situations you do want to explicitly test for such things. It all depends on how critical your app is. I'm not sure I'm not the only one who has tested code with randomly broken/bit-flipped input to test robustness. That double negative confuses the hell out of me. :) However, I don't think the request of the given bug matches that requirement anyway. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Doodle for August bug day
Hi everyone, here's the Doodle for our next bug day: http://www.doodle.com/6gydequztpac3xud I'd like to see many people there, so if you have any questions that need answering before you can join us on the bug day: ask them! Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Help review #181754
Hi, I just rejected issue https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zope.app.testing/+bug/181754 There might be room for different oppinions and if anyone would like to veto the decision, I'd welcome a discussion. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Help review #181754
On 07/20/2010 06:01 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 2010-7-20 17:39, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, I just rejected issue https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zope.app.testing/+bug/181754 There might be room for different oppinions and if anyone would like to veto the decision, I'd welcome a discussion. Your rejection contains an assumption that the request won't make it to the application. Is that assumption testable? I guess so. I think it's relatively clear that the application server should insulate the application from malignant requests. The details probably depend on the HTTP implementation. zope.server, zope.app.twisted, Paster and others might deal with this differently. Looking at the interfaces between those parts of the application it makes no sense to have syntactially invalid requests end up on the application level. At least, WRT this bug, I don't think it's a good idea to ask explicitly for bad requests to go to the application as the test layer should model real server behaviour as closely as possible. And again it wouldn't make sense anyway as you can't pass an unparsable request to the application. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Help review #181754
On 07/20/2010 07:28 PM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: On 2010-7-20 18:15, Christian Theune wrote: At least, WRT this bug, I don't think it's a good idea to ask explicitly for bad requests to go to the application as the test layer should model real server behaviour as closely as possible. And again it wouldn't make sense anyway as you can't pass an unparsable request to the application. I'm not sure I agree. Like everything else servers have bugs, so it can't hurt to test how your application would behave given certain server bugs. Right. IMHO this specific bug asked for would usually mean that the server breaks and can pass anything to the application. Whatever happens: the server needs to prepare a data structure to hand over to the application. If it can't do that, then there's nothing to test what happens with the application. I guess this kind of test (what happens with the application if it receives invalid data) needs to work around server/publisher components and inject data directly to application methods. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] zope.testing / zope.testrunner path forward:
On 07/21/2010 06:40 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 23:57, Marius Gedminasmar...@gedmin.as wrote: I'm for two separate releases. Release early, release often. Oh, that's not a problem. svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zope.testing/branches/regebro-400 Is testrunner free and runs on Python 3 already. It's purely a question of if we want both changes at once or not. :-) I myself prefer having more releases. I like Marius' idea: 3.10 would be good for removing the test runner then 4.0 can be Py3 compatibility. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting 2010-07-20 at 15:00 UTC
Hi again, another week another developer meeting in IRC. We had a bugday last week and we should review that and plan ahead. We've also had the languishing bug check run for a while without too much improvements, so I'd also like to spend some time triaging them. Additional topic suggestions are, as always, welcome. See http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100720.html (should be available in a few minutes). Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 47 OK, 17 Failed
On 07/12/2010 03:29 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Subject: FAILED : ZTK 1.0dev / Python2.7.0 Linux 32bit From: ccomb at free.fr Date: Mon Jul 12 00:18:15 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016518.html ... Subject: FAILED : ZTK 1.0 / Python2.7.0 Linux 32bit From: ccomb at free.fr Date: Mon Jul 12 01:53:35 EDT 2010 URL: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-tests/2010-July/016524.html Maybe we should not be running the ZTK 1.0 tests against Python 2.7: the failures in the pinned zope.testing.testrunner, for instance, seem to be WONTFIX on the new platform. I think it is fine to run trunk version tests against Python 2.7 (e.g., once we add zope.testrunner and unpin zope.testing). Or maybe we can just cut the frequency of those runs down. Having too many failures show up every day is seriously demotivating. Ack. -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] IRC meeting summaries from 2010-07-13 and 2010-07-06
Hi there, sorry for the even larger lag ... here's the summaries from the IRC meetings of last week and this week: - Please don't put VCS properties ($Id) in code anymore. If you find them you may actively remove them. No need to spend time combing through the repository, though. - People are coming up with topic ideas for the Zope summit in September in Germany, including: - getting more compelling stories for Zope - better documentation - zope.org improvements - experimentation and folding common experiences into common code, higher quality code - describing Zope's use cases - Tres is currently building a tool (zope.optionalextension) to allow packages like zope.i18nmessageid to be build properly on platforms that don't support our C-Extensions (GAE. Jython, IronPython, Windows without compilers) - We need to deal with the fact that some projects in svn.zope.org are likely abandoned and we need to deal with it. Initially we will start annotating the repository policy report with 'last checkin time' and 'frequent committers' to allow everyone to scan through the rather large report and check for projects that they are interested in. - ZTK 1.0 vs Python 2.7 was discussed but there was no deviation from the outcome of the thread in this list. - We need help from the people who run Windows by actively fixing bugs as they appear on the builders. Please. :) The full reports are available here: http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/index.html Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Invitation to bug day in July
On 06/28/2010 06:33 PM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi everyone, our bug day in July needs scheduling and we'd like you to tell us which day works best for you if you want to participate: http://doodle.com/akd2f59kdadp86r2 Ok, so although Charlie indicated that his doodle is wrong, I'll take that as an indicator that Wednesday is generally more acceptable. So, next Wednesday (2010-07-14) is the next bug day. Here's a wiki page so you can also register there to indicate participation: http://wiki.zope.org/ztk/BugDay20100714 So, again: Everyone can participate in a bug day: whether you want to report a bug, discuss a bug or a feature, fix bugs or do anything else to improve Zope software, feel free to step by on #z...@freenode and join us! Hope to see you next week! Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Reminder: doodle your bug day participation
Hi, I'd like to close the Doodle (see link below) tonight and have only had 4 responses so far, so, if you only forgot about it, please go ahead and indicate what day is best for you. Christian On 06/28/2010 06:33 PM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi everyone, our bug day in July needs scheduling and we'd like you to tell us which day works best for you if you want to participate: http://doodle.com/akd2f59kdadp86r2 Everyone can participate: whether you want to report a bug, discuss a bug or a feature, fix bugs or do anything else to improve Zope software, feel free to step by on #z...@freenode and join us! The last bug day got a lot of work done, see the summarized reports in the wiki: http://wiki.zope.org/ztk/BugDay20100616 Hope to see you during the bug day in July, Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting in IRC tomorrow at 15:00 UTC
Hi, in preparing tomorrows meeting, here's the report from last week: KGS 3.4.1 is out. Adam misses a German translation of the announcement, please help translating, ask Adam. Reminder: there will be no KGS 3.5 as there will be no Zope 3.5. BlueBream is the successor. Some ideas for the Zope summit were thrown in: * software quality certification * more explanation about how to solve problems with a component-based approach instead of more features * check what others do to discover where we're missing out * bicycle toolkit The full minutes should be available soonish, here: http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100629.html -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Developer meeting, week 27
Hi there, I'd like to invite you all to this week's developer meeting on IRC (#z...@freenode) which will happen tomorrow at 15:00 UTC. If you have anything you'd like to talk about, please feel free too send a topic suggestion in response to this post: it's really intended to be a platform for anyone of us to get itches scratched, so I want *you* to speak up. :) If nothing else comes up, we'll talk about: - The use of CVS keywords ($Id$) and whether to keep them, ignore them, remove them. - Revisit the Zope summit topic planning (I'll be around this time...) Also, it's been another 4 weeks down the road and we agreed last time to spend some time in meta mode every now and then. So, independent of what we talk about in the 30 minutes of the meeting, please bring an additional 15 minutes for talking about the meeting itself. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting in IRC tomorrow at 15:00 UTC
On 06/21/2010 05:59 PM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, I'd like to invite to the next developer meeting on IRC (#z...@freenode) which happens tomorrow at 15:00 UTC. And here's the report. Sorry for the delay. http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100622.html (Might take a minute for the cronjob to update) Here's the quick summary: * Bug trackers are now checked once a week for bugs that have been reported but not answered in more than 7 days. * We sketched out the steps to turn package documentation to Sphinx based on Tres' example of zope.event * We sketched out the plan for gathering floating documentation and porting it over to docs.zope.org * Last bug day got a lot done, see the summarized reports here: http://wiki.zope.org/ztk/BugDay20100616 * The next bug day will be scheduled in the week of July 12th-18th. Doodle coming up right away. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Invitation to bug day in July
Hi everyone, our bug day in July needs scheduling and we'd like you to tell us which day works best for you if you want to participate: http://doodle.com/akd2f59kdadp86r2 Everyone can participate: whether you want to report a bug, discuss a bug or a feature, fix bugs or do anything else to improve Zope software, feel free to step by on #z...@freenode and join us! The last bug day got a lot of work done, see the summarized reports in the wiki: http://wiki.zope.org/ztk/BugDay20100616 Hope to see you during the bug day in July, Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
