Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?

2016-11-20 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, but because the base station cost is so much higher (especially if you consider Cambium lite APs), you have to get quite a few clients per sector before it gets cheaper. On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Trey Scarborough wrote: > There are the 3.65 LTE radios out there and

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?

2016-11-20 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 11/20/16 8:43 PM, Trey Scarborough wrote: There are the 3.65 LTE radios out there and the client costs are much less. Is Telrad still going strong or is Baicells the new hotness on the block? ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?

2016-11-20 Thread Trey Scarborough
There are the 3.65 LTE radios out there and the client costs are much less. On 11/20/2016 10:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: No I'm not good with paying that price for it but what else are we supposed to do? That's still the cheapeast 3.65ghz solution out right now. Now its going to get real

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?

2016-11-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I just hope that Ubiquiti can copy the exact timing parameters from the Cambium products so we can mix and match Cambium/UBNT PtMP in the same frequency band in the network. Im getting so much 450 gear up that it just has to be synced because its so dense, I wont' be able to coordinate throwing

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?

2016-11-20 Thread Jon Langeler
Yeah can't wait Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:09 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > > No I'm not good with paying that price for it but what else are we supposed > to do? That's still the cheapeast 3.65ghz solution out right now.

Re: [AFMUG] Any worth in trying to sell 5.7 PMP100s?

2016-11-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
You could replace the 2.4 FSK with a cheap 802.11 AP like maybe a Bullet, on the same omnis. Then set the SSID to an ad for your service ending with your phone number. Don’t actually use it for service, just send an ad in the beacons. I’ve seen it done. As long as beacons are being sent at

Re: [AFMUG] Any worth in trying to sell 5.7 PMP100s?

2016-11-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
I am converting a lot of PMP100 2.4ghz in my network over to 5ghz PMP450 and I am wondering if there is any benefit to leaving the old PMP100 2.4ghz AP's up in the air and still transmitting? Basically the 2.4ghz band around here is -60 noise floor all over the place because there are so many

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?

2016-11-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
No I'm not good with paying that price for it but what else are we supposed to do? That's still the cheapeast 3.65ghz solution out right now. Now its going to get real interesting if Airfiber PtMP comes out with some 3.65ghz gear On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Ken Hohhof

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?

2016-11-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
Depends on what you mean by "good". Actually we buy the 20M SM at around $315 and for special occasions the uncapped integral panel at around $500 including the tilt bracket, so worse than your $275. They are certainly more expensive than we'd like, but you do what you gotta do. We do have a

[AFMUG] Cambium PMP450 3.65 pricing?

2016-11-20 Thread Jon Langeler
Is everyone good with paying $275 for cambium 10Mbps SMs ? Or has everyone just jumped ship? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Any worth in trying to sell 5.7 PMP100s?

2016-11-20 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
is paul saying he wants more? On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Paul McCall wrote: > Paul has thousands of every frequency J or L > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup > *Sent:* Friday, November 18, 2016 7:40 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com >

Re: [AFMUG] sunmax

2016-11-20 Thread Jaime Solorza
Our electric company has two solar farms and two wind turbines... Not pursuing wind right now but they are expanding solar. Several car dealerships have installed wind turbines and solar... Now if we can harness Reagan's and Lincolns grave spinning, we can go off grid completely.. On Nov 20,

Re: [AFMUG] sunmax

2016-11-20 Thread Jeremy
Off grid is different, since it has a higher cost of entry due to the batteries. They are mostly trying to kill net metering by charging additional fees to people using net metering. They have operated without competition for 150 years. On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Seth Mattinen

Re: [AFMUG] sunmax

2016-11-20 Thread Bill Prince
We have a bunch of neighbors (30 to 40 IIRC) to the south of us that are all completely off the grid. All of them have solar, some of them have wind generators, and I think one even has a hydro generator. Pretty sure most of them also have traditional generators. Getting their systems running

Re: [AFMUG] sunmax

2016-11-20 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 11/20/16 5:29 PM, Jeremy wrote: I know that in Utah it is because the electrical company is too intertwined with the coal industry. 82% of our power is still fgenerated from burning coal. Rocky Mountain Power has been fighting to get our local government to actually impose a 'solar tax' on

Re: [AFMUG] sunmax

2016-11-20 Thread Jaime Solorza
We are in prime solar zone area.. Several outfits working around here.. Two trade schools offering installer training... Fort Bliss is going solar in major push along with electric companyI push solar when I can..makes sense to me... On Nov 20, 2016 6:29 PM, "Jeremy"

Re: [AFMUG] sunmax

2016-11-20 Thread Jeremy
I know that in Utah it is because the electrical company is too intertwined with the coal industry. 82% of our power is still fgenerated from burning coal. Rocky Mountain Power has been fighting to get our local government to actually impose a 'solar tax' on people who install solarrather

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic dropping to zero for a fraction of a second

2016-11-20 Thread George Skorup
Yup. These are internet circuits which always have traffic on them, both in and out. I even set up a 10 second ping using Netwatch as a keep-alive. Didn't do shit. Could be a RouterOS bug. But I see this on the ASE circuits and nowhere else like internal PTPs. So I don't get it. On 11/20/2016

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic dropping to zero for a fraction of a second

2016-11-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
If there is constant traffic from this IP/MAC pair, shouldn’t that keep the ARP cache refreshed so no ARP requests are needed (after the first one)? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2016 5:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic dropping to zero for a fraction of a second

2016-11-20 Thread George Skorup
ASE = AT Switched Ethernet. Comcast and others pretty much all do the same shit for MetroE. We have three ASE circuits at different locations. All are Ciena 3930s with 1G optical hand-off direct to our routers. Each has a different peer at the other end of the EVC. I would get a complete

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic dropping to zero for a fraction of a second

2016-11-20 Thread TJ Trout
Att MIS not Ase, involves also another carriers "ase" product (not at) but since all traffic through both peers goes to zero I'm assuming it's elsewhere? On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 2:48 PM, George Skorup wrote: > Stupid question. Does this involve AT ASE at all? > > > On

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic dropping to zero for a fraction of a second

2016-11-20 Thread George Skorup
Stupid question. Does this involve AT ASE at all? On 11/20/2016 12:47 AM, TJ Trout wrote: I have 2 peers, one CCR and 2 backhauls connected to a 10G switch that I've recently installed, prior to installing the 10G switch everything functioned normally (had a CCR1009, now CCR1036), currently

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First?

2016-11-20 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Thanks Ken, I will look into Exalt (It was me who was asking). And yes to your point, making it easy to do business, and disruptive price points make for excellent business practices. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Re: [AFMUG] sunmax

2016-11-20 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
I wonder why some electrical company does not take this main stream and eliminate the need for the power grid over time... :) - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] sunmax Im

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First?

2016-11-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
I remember when Trango was the disruptive company pushing the envelope on licensed link price. More recently it was SIAE. So Mimosa and Ubiquiti are the latest in a trend pushing licensed prices down. Trango also started the trend of working with a frequency coordinator to get discounted

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First?

2016-11-20 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Goes back to my original statement.. is the glass half empty or half full. There was some grumbling from the freq coordinators when Mimosa B11's came out. In regards to US based companies, yes Trango and Exalt are, but there hasn't been any motivation for price point innovation until Mimosa

Re: [AFMUG] Any worth in trying to sell 5.7 PMP100s?

2016-11-20 Thread Paul McCall
Paul has thousands of every frequency ☺ or ☹ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any worth in trying to sell 5.7 PMP100s? I think the last offer that was made to us for 900 FSK SMs was

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First?

2016-11-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
It was not my impression that frequency coordinators and competitors were "the only ones complaining", quite the opposite. Where have you seen frequency coordinators complaining? They might have a bit of a valid point if people are coming for coordination without a path analysis, but I have

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First?

2016-11-20 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
The point is bad behavior is bad behavior. Lack of enforcement is a valid concern and a separate topic. Using artificially high Prices as a barrier of entry in a Tech field, ends up to be a very bad thing (for many reasons). I am happy to see USA based companies taking the lead in re-defining

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First?

2016-11-20 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 11/20/16 6:37 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Trying to make the argument that cheaper radios = breaking the law , while anecdotaly possible, would be FUD. It is a fact in NN where I'm located, but NN lacked enforcement. They popped up everywhere without being registered. Fortunately NN is

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First?

2016-11-20 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Enforcement issue it is... Trying to make the argument that cheaper radios = breaking the law , while anecdotaly possible, would be FUD. Let's talk about the current license links, and how the current owners of licenses break the law but not being bothered to cancel their license once they

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic dropping to zero for a fraction of a second

2016-11-20 Thread Josh Reynolds
Sounds like pause frames + microbursts on gear with buffers that are too small. Didn't we just have this discussion? On Nov 20, 2016 12:47 AM, "TJ Trout" wrote: > I have 2 peers, one CCR and 2 backhauls connected to a 10G switch that > I've recently installed, prior to

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First?

2016-11-20 Thread Mike Hammett
You could do XPIC with any set of used radios and get that performance, with the same spectral efficiency, possibly higher cost, but also a more comprehensive set of features. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First?

2016-11-20 Thread Mike Hammett
UBNT doesn't yet have 11 GHz in their AirLink tool, but it's in progress. http://community.ubnt.com/t5/AirLink/Can-we-get-11Ghz-Aifiber/m-p/1724951#U1724951 I'm not sure of the accuracy of the AirLink tool. For a given obstruction-free path that's 8.2 km long with 2' dishes, I can't

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic dropping to zero for a fraction of a second

2016-11-20 Thread Roland Houin
probably 32 bit counter on traffic, rolling over. Roland > I have 2 peers, one CCR and 2 backhauls connected to a 10G switch that I've recently installed, prior to installing the 10G switch everything functioned normally (had a CCR1009, now CCR1036), currently during peak periods of traffic my

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Who will have AF-11X First?

2016-11-20 Thread Mike Hammett
You'll be right at the cusp of what the datasheet says the radio can do, but I don't believe real world tests have caught up to the data sheet yet. Well, each way. It'll deliver that capacity in aggregate. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange

Re: [AFMUG] Traffic dropping to zero for a fraction of a second

2016-11-20 Thread Stefan Englhardt
There was a bug regarding simple queues. This happened when enabling/disabling queues.Watch the cpu/profiling if something peaks suddenly. Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: TJ Trout Datum: 20.11.2016 07:47 (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: [AFMUG] Traffic