Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
They are however one of those self-funding govt bodies. So if you request them to rent equipment, buy airline tickets, and book hotel rooms totaling $XYZ, then someone is getting fined $XYZ to pay for it. Maybe your competitor, maybe you. Probably not Mexico. From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

2017-02-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
thats wwhat we do, customers are put in tiers in powercode groups, the tier is where the speed is defined, based solely on the performance indicators the rates are divided out by capacity per month the rates all have the same name with the exception of the tier identifier each group can only see

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread fiberrun
Mark, I believe you have presented a false dilemma. Those are not the only options. The best option would be to have an open access dark fiber network with cost plus pricing, averaged over the whole network. With this model it doesn't matter much who does the building, who does the

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Travis Johnson
The dark fiber loop in my city (Idaho Falls, Idaho) works extremely well for the entire city. There are many providers, even private companies, that lease a dark fiber pair and pay the city a monthly rate. Travis On 2/1/2017 3:40 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: Chuck McCown wrote: Who owns

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread fiberrun
On Wednesday, February 01, 2017 Ken Hohhof wrote: > How sure are you that 20 years from now, that investment will still look > “future proof”?  Looking down at the fiber I put down the better part of twenty years ago and still use, I say, yeah, it's still good for another twenty years and

[AFMUG] New Install Van?

2017-02-01 Thread Jason McKemie
http://www.nvcargox.com/

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

2017-02-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
EXPORT-FORM 477 LITERALLY THAT SIMPLE On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 5:33 PM, Christopher Gray wrote: > How do you keep track of speeds for your 477? > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote: > >> We just have the same set of

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
And it depends on how much of the loop is allocated to interstate vs intrastate etc. Some states have intrastate pooling some don’t. Revenue requirements are made out of sausage. Lots of bits from here and there. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:17 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
Prior to 1996 it was 100% paid by local customer revenue and NECA long distance pooling. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these And it depends on how much of the loop is allocated to interstate vs

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Like the $238 "tax" on my fiber lease that runs between state lines? per month? - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these And it depends on how much of the loop is

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Mark Radabaugh
I don’t know that it’s a false dilemma - I mentioned it with the caveat that it’s probably not politically possible even if it was advisable (and I don’t believe it is). The obvious model is the electric distribution deregulation that has occurred in a lot of states where the distribution and

Re: [AFMUG] To Gel Or Not To Gel

2017-02-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
the gel gel is fin horizontal, the paste, like in bbdge doesnt liquefy and is appropriate for vertical On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:14 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > Both seem to work. > > Mixed feelings on it from a work standpoint. I hate the mess of the gel, > but I also despise

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Hammett
WISPMon - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Christopher Gray" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 5:33:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Providing

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

2017-02-01 Thread Christopher Gray
I meant, Mathew mentioned only a handful of plans for billing purposes, and each individual plan could vary significantly in speed, how does one keep track of the speeds, or is it just reported at the slowed speed? On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Hammett
How is the loan paid back? That customer's $50/month plan? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
First fiber I was involved with was in 1990, so 27 years or so and still going strong. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 4:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these On Wednesday, February 01, 2017 Ken Hohhof

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Hammett
and the rest of it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 4:15:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
Certainly that is a component of the debt service. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these How is the loan paid back? That customer's $50/month plan? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
Who owns the dark fiber network? Government - we all know how good they are at doing things like this. Private - so we create good old Ma Bell all over again? Existing carriers forced to open their networks? OK if you like the Venezuela solution to things. New networks built by low

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread fiberrun
Chuck McCown wrote: > Who owns the dark fiber network? > Government - we all know how good they are at doing things like this. Others manage. See for example Stokab owned by the city of Stockholm in Sweden. > Private - so we create good old Ma Bell all over again? First, it does not have to

[AFMUG] To Gel Or Not To Gel

2017-02-01 Thread Adam Moffett
For aerial fiber, what are your feelings on waterproofing gel vs dry water swellable tape? I know for installation it would be nice to not have icky pick on all the hands and tools, but the mess is secondary to longevity. -Adam

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
NECA long distance pooling settlements. Lots of components to filling out the revenue requirement. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these and the rest of it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

2017-02-01 Thread Mathew Howard
We just have the same set of plans (with names, rather than speeds) with the same prices everywhere, and the speeds set differently depending on the area - so if you're in an area where we can cover you with ePMP 5ghz half a mile from our office, you'll get a vastly different speed than if you're

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
UTOPIA didn't exactly set the world on fire down here. -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these The dark fiber loop in my city (Idaho Falls, Idaho) works extremely well for the

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
I think you are right. Perhaps they do now. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 4:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Did UTOPIA sell dark fiber? I thought they only did bitstream access. Jared Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

2017-02-01 Thread Christopher Gray
How do you keep track of speeds for your 477? On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > We just have the same set of plans (with names, rather than speeds) with > the same prices everywhere, and the speeds set differently depending on the > area - so if

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Optics Transmit Data and Power Over Same Cable

2017-02-01 Thread Robert Andrews
With a brand name like "LightSaber" On 02/01/2017 10:21 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 2/1/17 10:19, Chuck McCown wrote: Epilog Zing CNC laser cutters start at 30 watts I think. So a 60 watt laser on a fiber could certainly cut flesh and insulation and paper etc. It'll make fiber cuts so much

Re: [AFMUG] To Gel Or Not To Gel

2017-02-01 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Both seem to work. Mixed feelings on it from a work standpoint. I hate the mess of the gel, but I also despise the ‘flyaway’ static charge on the dry fiber making all strands refuse to stay next to each other when trying to get them to lay down nicely in the splice tray. Hum… I wonder

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
You mean like T Mobile, AT, Verizon & Sprint... -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com It is inefficient to build competing infrastructures and temporary solutions. Jared

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread fiberrun
Did UTOPIA sell dark fiber? I thought they only did bitstream access. Jared > Chuck McCown wrote: > > UTOPIA didn't exactly set the world on fire down here. > > -Original Message- > From: Travis Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:58 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Hammett
SNMP is an old technology and has needed to be replaced for a while. (Un)Fortunately, it's universal. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To:

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Adam Moffett
So it's not that I have anything offensive to say about the FCC, just an unpopular opinion. As federal agencies go, the FCC is relatively unoffensive and low budget, so if I were the supreme libertarian dictator of the universe (see the irony?) they would not be the first agency I would pick

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
They didn’t get any pork, nor did Comcast. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these You mean like T Mobile, AT, Verizon & Sprint... -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com It is inefficient

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread fiberrun
No, I wasn't referring to the cell companies. They don't do fixed broadband. Jared From: "Chuck McCown wrote: You mean like T Mobile, AT, Verizon & Sprint...   -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com   It is inefficient to build competing infrastructures and temporary solutions.  

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

2017-02-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
the 477 data contains the speed On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Christopher Gray wrote: > An exported form is only as good as the data entered. I export from Sonar > with no problem, but I go through a decent amount of effort to define a > long list of services to

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

2017-02-01 Thread Christopher Gray
An exported form is only as good as the data entered. I export from Sonar with no problem, but I go through a decent amount of effort to define a long list of services to match each speed available, and it is getting a little out of hand. When selling capacity, not speed, how do you rate your

Re: [AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

2017-02-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
we actually provide the most granularity in our reports of mot vast majority of the "up to" bandits the above referenced example has three speeds the only drawback is we are also honest in our speeds, powercode does 1000 we do 1024 so we have to edit the csv to take out the tailing numbers because

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
i got an email from azotel today, hadnt heard from them in a long time are they still actively developing the product On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Mitch Koep wrote: > Azotel > > Mitch Koep > > 218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell > > On 01/31/2017 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman

Re: [AFMUG] The smallest Mikrotik with a 10GbE port

2017-02-01 Thread can...@believewireless.net
We just got two in last week from Baltic. On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > Baltic had some but they are on backorder again. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 1, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Groundhog Day

2017-02-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
nope, no way to vet the tunnel occupants, border closed, winter is coming On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Is it still on? > > > > I was kind of hoping for an Executive Order cancelling it. We’re supposed > to have some sun tomorrow, and I’m not looking

Re: [AFMUG] The smallest Mikrotik with a 10GbE port

2017-02-01 Thread Rory Conaway
Baltic had some but they are on backorder again. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 6:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] The smallest Mikrotik with a 10GbE port Ordered one of these shipped direct from Latvia, not in stock

Re: [AFMUG] The smallest Mikrotik with a 10GbE port

2017-02-01 Thread Sterling Jacobson
I’m interested in hearing how it goes. Is it smaller than the CRS with two SFP+ ports? How much was that CCR again? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 6:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] The smallest Mikrotik with a 10GbE port

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Is this urban?

2017-02-01 Thread Bill Prince
I would call that suburban. bp On 2/1/2017 12:07 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Looks awesome for ptmp mmw From: Af > on behalf of Chuck McCown > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

2017-02-01 Thread Jeremy
Anybody bought a NV Cargo with the Quigley 4x4 factory-retained warranty? These look pretty sweet! On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > http://www.nvcargox.com/

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Adam Moffett
Netconf -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Luthman" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 11:19:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs Like SNMP and DNS Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373

[AFMUG] The smallest Mikrotik with a 10GbE port

2017-02-01 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Ordered one of these shipped direct from Latvia, not in stock in the US yet: https://routerboard.com/CCR1009-7G-1C-1SplusPC Anyone else have one on hand? I'm testing it for a few different purposes.

[AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

2017-02-01 Thread Rory Conaway
Has anyone used one or even bought one? Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net "Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

2017-02-01 Thread TJ Trout
I have one what's your offer On Feb 1, 2017 6:32 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > The one that's several years old at this point? > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > >

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread George Skorup
Screw DNS. ARP WHO HAS www.google.com. Lets ask the entire internet. On 2/1/2017 10:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: Netconf -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Luthman" > To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017

Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

2017-02-01 Thread Rory Conaway
We just bought 2 vans, both E-150’s, one a 2014, one a 2012. Got the 2014 back to the office and left it out in front of the office until late that night. Some thief stole the car battery. Amazing. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve D Sent: Wednesday, February 1,

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

2017-02-01 Thread George Skorup
You can put the 3011 board into a 2011 case if you're after a smaller case or wall/backplane mounting. On 2/2/2017 1:12 AM, Rory Conaway wrote: Yea, I figured that out after I posted. Figured we might just have to take the board out of the 3011. We really need something faster than the

Re: [AFMUG] more iot lols

2017-02-01 Thread David Milholen
Because its easy and takes the human brain factor out of the equation :) Just like why do manufactures of wireless printers think they need the printer to be an access point for direct print. WTF! On 1/30/2017 9:21 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

[AFMUG] OT.. Does not play nice with others

2017-02-01 Thread Jaime Solorza
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fhomenews%2Fadministration%2F317480-trump-fields-tense-phone-call-with-australian-pm-report%3Famp#pt0-335990

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Josh Luthman
Like SNMP and DNS Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Feb 1, 2017 7:21 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > SNMP is an old technology and has needed to be replaced for a while. > (Un)Fortunately, it's universal. > > > >

[AFMUG] OT - Groundhog Day

2017-02-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
Is it still on? I was kind of hoping for an Executive Order cancelling it. We're supposed to have some sun tomorrow, and I'm not looking forward to 6 more weeks of winter. Stupid weather forecasting rodent.

Re: [AFMUG] New Install Van?

2017-02-01 Thread Steve D
(Insert shut-up-and-take-my-money.jpg here) -Steve D On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > http://www.nvcargox.com/

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Hammett
The one that's several years old at this point? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Rory Conaway" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:17:32 PM

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Does not play nice with others

2017-02-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
as long as youre going by unconfirmed reports from "people in the know" there is another article for people gullible enough to eat this one up from the hill about trump telling Nieto that Mexico has a bunch of bad hombres. I figure youll eat that one up, its pretty reliable like this one. My

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik RB1000

2017-02-01 Thread Rory Conaway
Yea, I figured that out after I posted. Figured we might just have to take the board out of the 3011. We really need something faster than the 850x2. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 7:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Google Wireless

2017-02-01 Thread Gino Villarini
Yeah, I know! But from Chuck¹s post, I thought they were doing it to single family unitsŠ On 1/31/17, 6:08 PM, "Af on behalf of Seth Mattinen"

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Lewis Bergman
Zabbix On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:20 PM Mitch Koep wrote: > Azotel > > Mitch Koep > > 218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell > > On 01/31/2017 10:42 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > Powercode > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Hammett
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Darin Steffl" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Hammett
Different operations, LibreNMS and NetXMS - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Sean Heskett" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:30:38 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Gino Villarini
we are using Intermapper, got lots of custom probes if anyone needs: AF radios Epmp PMP450 Emerson Rectifiers Trango SAF From: Af > on behalf of Lewis Bergman > Reply-To:

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Take a look at OMD Check_mk (aka a GUI + Nagios + Graphing + + + etc etc etc) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jason McKemie"

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
We see up to 50 Mbps on Calix VDSL2 on the shorter loops. That case looks like it could be the v.fast box too. They have one that looks like that and they claim up to 200 Mbps on shorter loops for that technology. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 10:34 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
DSL is a strange world. OFDM is instead called DMT, and self-FEXT cancellation is called vectoring. And you get standards like G.fast and G.vector. It’s like a superhero universe. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Stefan Englhardt
VDSL with vectoring easy does 100Mbit/s. We see 40 over a km. Depends on the copper. On short hops we see up to 135x63. DSLAMs are cheaper than 450m. So where it is possible to use copper it is a good option. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck McCown Gesendet:

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Yeah like 1.5Gbps aggregate real throughput on a pair g.fast. :-) On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 9:29 AM Mike Hammett wrote: > On short loops, VDSL2 can go up to 200 - 300 megabit. v.fast and it's > derivatives should be able to approach gig. That's short loops, though. > MDU,

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
We have just purchased a WISP in a predominately centurylink area. We are hearing about the towns fed by t1sugh Fortunately we have just inherited some wireless in those towns - Original Message - From: Forrest Christian (List Account) To: af Sent: Tuesday, January 31,

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need more support money to fix

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Mike Hammett
On short loops, VDSL2 can go up to 200 - 300 megabit. v.fast and it's derivatives should be able to approach gig. That's short loops, though. MDU, individual city blocks, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP -

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Josh Reynolds
There are plenty of dual sim phones out there. Check www.swappa.com On Feb 1, 2017 10:57 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > Yea, I really miss the ability to have two sim cards in a phone. That is > standard on most every phone, even the cheap ones, in Europe.That way in >

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Josh Reynolds
I'm just an oddball I guess :( I haven't had a contract or subsidized phone since around 2005. I just buy the phone, push a ROM to it, and pick the carrier of choice. Right now, it's Ting. I'm liking them a lot. On Feb 1, 2017 11:08 AM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > I know

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
i think that bank account may be closed very soon On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: > Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the > only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to > orange trash bags. Except

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Simon Westlake
Hypothetically, yes. There is no documented way to do this today, but the endpoint that the poller uses to deliver data back to Sonar doesn't really care where the data comes from, it just needs to be formatted correctly. I plan to document/expand on this later for scenarios like this, but I

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Sean Heskett
hey gino, could i snag your intermapper probes for the 450, SAF, and airfiber??? thanks! -sean On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 5:51 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: > we are using Intermapper, got lots of custom probes if anyone needs: > > AF radios > Epmp > PMP450 > Emerson Rectifiers

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Lewis Bergman
Yea, I really miss the ability to have two sim cards in a phone. That is standard on most every phone, even the cheap ones, in Europe.That way in the rural areas I go I could maintain coverage. Typically one carrier is weak where another is strong. On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:45 AM Ken Hohhof

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Adam Moffett
In a vacuum, TR-069 is pretty nice, as doing mass changes via SNMP really sucks in a lot of cases. It seems to be pretty common in my experience that setting values via SNMP is rare. Much rarer than get, but still useful when you need it. So personally I've used SNMP to push out mass

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Jason McKemie
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, so I wouldn't hold my breath. On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > i think that bank account may be closed very soon > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, >

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Simon Westlake
I don't know what the thought process is among big vendors, but I would imagine smaller LTE manufacturers don't make their own CPE, and so they are stuck with what's been dictated from on high (although that is partly speculation on my part, I don't know for 100%.) In a vacuum, TR-069 is

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Lewis Bergman
I know there are, but that isn't how 95% of the subscribers by phones. Most go to a carrier and buy what they have there and will subsidize or pay out. Most carriers in Europe, and I could be way off on this as my experience is limited, had a lot of dual sim options in store. On Wed, Feb 1, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Adam Moffett
Hey Simon, a Sonar related question: Breezeview's backend database is MySQL (If I recall correctly). If they start grabbing performance data with TR-69, could the Sonar Poller query the Breezeview database to get important stats into it's own database? I'm not sure if there's a "MySQL"

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Adam Moffett
Well the data doesn't exist in Breezeview yet, so it's a moot point. I am happy to know it's possible, and I'll circle back with you on it when the time comes. -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 12:29:51 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Simon Westlake
Yeah, then using it for monitoring really sucks in a typical WISP deployment. It might make sense for big corporations who are 'all in' on a single, comprehensive (expensive) platform, but that's definitely not common in the WISP world.. Undoubtedly true. Even if they didas far as I know

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM To:

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Darin Steffl
Chuck, I do NOT agree that any company should be required or use govt. funds to build out broadband to ONE house in 20 miles because it's a right or a utility. Unless the customer agrees to pay the majority of the cost. For homes like that which are so spread out that ROI is 50-100 years, they

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Simon Westlake
I think this is just the way it goes. TR069 is, unfortunately, not a simple plug and play solution. Any third party system you get is going to require some configuration and fiddling to get working. I know a few people using http://www.friendly-tech.com/products/tr-069-device-management but I

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Adam Moffett
On a related topic, what about TR69 software? I saw GenieACS and FreeACS, but they both required a big time investment. Commercial TR69 servers appear to all be big $$. I'm wondering if there's something basic that costs less than a used car :) We paid $6k for a TR69 ACS and it's junk. The

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
For people at the bottom end of the economic scale (thinking about seniors on Social Security), it seems to me the ideal combination is a Lifeline cellphone and an OTA TV antenna with a DVR. The cellphone eliminates all worries about crappy copper, power outages, etc. and it works in the

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Adam Moffett
Thanks Simon. Yes my understanding is that Telrad is going to eventually abandon the "Star ACS" system they inherited from Alvaion and put at least some TR-69 functions into Breezeview. I have heard as stated goals that Breezeview will collect performance data from the CPE and perform bulk

Re: [AFMUG] SNMP Monitoring Programs

2017-02-01 Thread Ken Hohhof
Go to the Broadband Forum website and look at the Board of Directors. I know half those people from my participation in the first ADSL standard 20 years ago. They are all “big telco” people. TR-069 is what you’d expect from them. Their world is evolving also, with stuff like small cells,

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[AFMUG] Providing Service at Different Rates / in Different Markets

2017-02-01 Thread Christopher Gray
How do others handle providing service in different markets at different rates? As I've expanded into different areas, I've found I need to charge significantly different rates and have to provide different speeds. I adjusted my website to say things like: "...up to" and "...starting at $...".

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Optics Transmit Data and Power Over Same Cable

2017-02-01 Thread Adam Moffett
Ok, but cutting power is all about energy density right? The light exiting a multimode cable should scatter pretty rapidlyor so I would think. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 1:19:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber

[AFMUG] Scheduling software for home automation

2017-02-01 Thread Timothy Steele
Anyone know of a scheduling software that's like powercode but not for monthly clients? I work for a home automation company big need for something like that, but it's not monthly service when it's done. it's done. If anyone knows of something like that Or willing to make 1 for us please let me

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb.I still think there is a very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the

Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
Because you don’t build copper any more. The RUS will not finance a copper build. The USF contribution base is largely coming from cell phone carriers these days, but yes it will probably eventually expand to all internet services. Hey, I didn’t write the rules, I just read them. Don’t hate

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Optics Transmit Data and Power Over Same Cable

2017-02-01 Thread Chuck McCown
Imagine unplugging a fiber that has 60 watts on it. You will be cutting holes in all kinds of things. Could slice off a whole row of other fibers in a heartbeat. I would think you could cook the socket by just unplugging it. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Wednesday, February

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