Re: [AFMUG] more details on upcomming ATT wisp/wll services

[Gino Villarini]

The cpe hardware is from a Australian company

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> The article talks about Austrailia.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 4:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] more details on upcomming ATT wisp/wll services
>
>
>
> More details about the upcoming AT Wireless Local Loop / WISP deployment
>
>
>
>
> http://www.fierceinstaller.com/story/netcomm-ericsson-will-outfit-att-wll-gear-and-services-report-says/2015-12-01
>
>
>
> All outdoor CPE
>
> 10x10 mhz FDD LTE
>
> 2.3 ghz
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Isolating a -48 rectifier?

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Depends on the unit, and how truly isolated everything is.

I know some models which don't tie either polarity so the isolation isn't
necessarily.   I know of others which won't even start without being
solidly grounded on both the ac and DC sides.

>From a practical perspective, if you don't tie either the ac earth ground
or the output to ground, and isolate the chassis, I'd expect the output to
be able to be used in either polarity.  However,  there are numerous unsafe
conditions which may be created by this,  expecially if the negative output
terminal gets grounded.
On Dec 8, 2015 4:12 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> So, i was wondering if isolating a -48 dc rectifier from the rack/ground
> would turn it into a polarity agnostic device?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Isolating a -48 rectifier?

[Josh Baird]

When in doubt, use an isolated DC/DC converter (Meanwell RSD, etc).

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:35 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Forrest, thanks for your input, so how the negative input could get
> grounded? further on on the radio side?
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Depends on the unit, and how truly isolated everything is.
>>
>> I know some models which don't tie either polarity so the isolation isn't
>> necessarily.   I know of others which won't even start without being
>> solidly grounded on both the ac and DC sides.
>>
>> From a practical perspective, if you don't tie either the ac earth ground
>> or the output to ground, and isolate the chassis, I'd expect the output to
>> be able to be used in either polarity.  However,  there are numerous unsafe
>> conditions which may be created by this,  expecially if the negative output
>> terminal gets grounded.
>> On Dec 8, 2015 4:12 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>>
>>> So, i was wondering if isolating a -48 dc rectifier from the rack/ground
>>> would turn it into a polarity agnostic device?
>>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Isolating a -48 rectifier?

[Gino Villarini]

So, i was wondering if isolating a -48 dc rectifier from the rack/ground
would turn it into a polarity agnostic device?

Re: [AFMUG] Isolating a -48 rectifier?

[Gino Villarini]

Forrest, thanks for your input, so how the negative input could get
grounded? further on on the radio side?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Depends on the unit, and how truly isolated everything is.
>
> I know some models which don't tie either polarity so the isolation isn't
> necessarily.   I know of others which won't even start without being
> solidly grounded on both the ac and DC sides.
>
> From a practical perspective, if you don't tie either the ac earth ground
> or the output to ground, and isolate the chassis, I'd expect the output to
> be able to be used in either polarity.  However,  there are numerous unsafe
> conditions which may be created by this,  expecially if the negative output
> terminal gets grounded.
> On Dec 8, 2015 4:12 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
>> So, i was wondering if isolating a -48 dc rectifier from the rack/ground
>> would turn it into a polarity agnostic device?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[Paul Stewart]

Living in a country that has a very strict view on guns that I don’t share .. 
and also as someone who has frequently travelled into USA to have “fun with 
guns” I wanted to comment.. :)  I used to travel to KY twice a year to Knob 
Creek for the shoot there for example….

 

In Canada, you simply cannot own and kind of firearms without doing a one day 
training course.  If you wish to own “restricted” weapons (primarily short 
barrel rifles and handguns) then it’s a two day course.  With restricted 
license, you can only discharge your firearm legally at a registered gun range 
(not allowed to out in the back acres for example).  Fully auto is not 
permitted period (a few exceptions from years and years ago that have been 
grandfathered but nobody “new” is getting any).

 

I’m a huge fan of guns and rights … but I also believe in safety.  I think the 
US should adopt Canada’s safety regulations around firearms – but – I also 
think Canada should relax it’s handgun rules more in line with the USA.  I also 
firmly 110% believe that it’s not the guns that kill people, it’s people that 
kill people using guns…. And a lot of those guns used in places like Canada are 
illegal firearms anyways that were smuggled into the country so making more 
rules only hurts the legal and safe gun owners.

 

There….. said my 2 cents worth ;)

 

Paul

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 9:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

 

For every one that carrying a weapon has provided "some good", there are 
several hundred where it has provided the exact opposite.

I'm not arguing for gun control; pretty much any proposed rules have serious 
flaws that I doubt will help anyway. Others have pointed this out.

The real issue is one of attitude, and culture. It would (will?) take 5 or 10 
generations of actively changing the culture, and we haven't even started yet. 
We supposedly stopped slavery in the 1860s, but we haven't completely fixed 
that problem yet either 150+ years later.




bp

 

On 12/7/2015 5:40 PM, Paul McCall wrote:

Patrick, 

Please tell that description to an acquaintance of mine whose concealed carry 
gun saved his life and the life of his wife and 2 young kids  from two thugs 
who attacked and beat him with a pipe because he “looked at them funny” as they 
left the grocery store at 8pm.  He was able to pull his gun and disable the 
perps with 3 shots.   

 

Tell that to the people who wish they would have had a gun to possibly defend 
themselves against mass shooters instead of begging  for mercy and peeing 
themselves in the corner.

 

An intelligent, disciplined, gun owner who seeks the proper shoot / don’t shoot 
training is to be respected for being responsible.  If you were in the room 
with an active shooter and a trained gun owner saved your life, would you call 
him pathetic ?

 

Paul

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

 

I’ll just note this is a pathetic thread to have in any society that considers 
itself civil. Hell, even in the “wild west” the local law had people check 
their weapons into the sheriff when they came into town. In fact, formerly, 
states like Texas lead the country in banning open carry.

 

“All the more surprising, then, that Texas was the first state to ban its 
citizens from carrying handguns, a restriction that remained on the books for 
125 years.”  

 
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/First-to-ban-open-carry-Texas-could-be-one-of-5974401.php

 

And just read this scholarly article from 1999:

 

Gun Control and the Old West
By Ross Collins
  History News Service, Summer 
1999.

The smoke has cleared, and we peer down at the victim: another gun control 
bill, shot full ‘o holes. Just like in the old horse operas: a hero again 
shoots to protect a precious freedom, America’s right to bear arms. For many 
who keep a romantic image of America’s past, gun control is like that, a battle 
steeped in American tradition. It calls us back to those legendary days of the 
Old West, when cowboys defended their honor and their horses by way of their 
Colts
.
In fact, most historians see the cowboys of the Old West as THE defining heroes 
of 20th-century America. He’s used to sell everything from soap to hats. He’s 
apparently also an ideal American for anti-gun control groups: gun shows and 
gun advertising promote from a distinctive Old West flavor. 

Today’s anti gun control forces count their strongest support among society’s 
leaders from the 

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[Sean Heskett]

Sometimes I just like stirring the pot ;)

I'm not saying one way is better or worse.  BUT our current system
obviously seems to be failing because we are the only 1st world country
with a mass shooting problem of this magnitude.

-Sean

On Monday, December 7, 2015, George Skorup  wrote:

> So then you'll take your guns to the police or sheriff and tell them you
> don't need them anymore?
>
> On 12/7/2015 9:43 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> Australia had a gun problem...until it didn't anymore.
>
> Just sayin
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Monday, December 7, 2015, Chuck McCown <
> ch...@wbmfg.com
> > wrote:
>
>> On the assault rifle issue, are we just arguing about magazine size?
>>
>> Or does it need a handle on top and a pistol grip?
>> How does a BAR differ from an AR?  Assuming they are the same caliber.
>> BAR is OK because it only shoots deer, but the AR is for shooting people?
>> Wood stock good, green metal and plastic bad?
>>
>> Semi automatic deer hunting rifles are OK, right?
>>
>> Is this a distinction without a difference?
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 3:31 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>> and why
>>
>> i have a Glock23 .40cal works great but it's not quite a "conceal carry"
>> size.  I have it (unloaded and trigger locked) in my survival pack that
>> stays in my airplane incase of an emergency landing in the back country ;-)
>>
>> i'm also a Progressive Libtard (registered independent) that thinks we
>> should ban assault rifles and large magazines just as we have banned hand
>> grenades, bombs, rocket launchers and other military style/grade weapons.
>> I've had my Hunter's safety card since I was 12 and I also went to high
>> school next to Columbine in CO.  My younger sister had friends who died in
>> the attack.
>>
>> 2 cents.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, James Howard > > wrote:
>>
>>> It wasn’t just the backstrap that bothered me.  Mostly the diamond
>>> pattern just didn’t feel good in my hands.  I just did a bit of looking now
>>> though and it looks like there are some options for fixing that.  I might
>>> have to look into them again.  I really like the Sig P938 so far though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I missed your comment about Glock fanboys.  Shocking we haven’t had any
>>> so far but the thread devolved into politics from a simple question of what
>>> brand/model of pistol we like.  For the record, I’ve yet to meet a Glock
>>> that I’d want to own.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 11:08 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>>> and why
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> XDS has replaceable grip backstraps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:04 AM, James Howard >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Sig P938 is 9mm and almost exactly the same size as a P238.  I’ve got
>>> the SAS model (anti snag).  I’ve also got a S M Shield in 9mm and have
>>> looked at the Springfield XDS many times.  I just can’t get over the fact
>>> that I don’t like the grips on the XDS.  Prime reason to go with the XDS is
>>> that you can get it in 45ACP.  There are a lot of cheaper brands out there
>>> too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have a place where you can do it, go and test fire all the
>>> different options.  My father-in-law bought a Glock 36 because several
>>> people told him how great they were.  The problem is that it doesn’t fit
>>> his hand well at all and the trigger digs into his finger so he shoots
>>> terrible with it.  His accuracy is greatly improved using my M Shield.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No matter what you get though.  A major key to carrying it safely is
>>> practice and being comfortable with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> ] *On Behalf Of *Simon
>>> Westlake
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 10:09 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>>> and why
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That was one thing I forgot to mention with the P238.. it has a manual
>>> safety as well, if that's important to you. I personally don't really care,
>>> but it's another good point.
>>>
>>> On 12/7/2015 10:07 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>>>
>>> A lot of people are carrying a gun that has no safety.  The safety is
>>> released by squeezing the trigger, essentially.  I have kids, and although
>>> I plan to keep my gun far away from them, I cannot on a clear conscience
>>> carry a gun with no safety.  I have been 

Re: [AFMUG] Cord grips / liquid tight

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Cord grip entries, no bugs, no dust no confusion, you can manipulate a
single cable. A knockout punch, gotta have that
On Dec 7, 2015 7:06 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> M4524GBW-SM
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
> On Dec 7, 2015, at 7:26 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
> wrote:
>
> I have a NEMA4 fiberglass enclosure that has 18-24 cables (CAT5/Fiber/DC)
> that need entry.
>
>
>
> Is there a better method than using tons of Liquid Tight Cordgrips
>  / Strain
> relief connectors?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Isolating a -48 rectifier?

[Chuck McCown]

The designer may or may not have tied the positive output to the chassis.  

You would have to galvanically isolate it and see if there is a voltage from 
negative to chassis.  

You might be OK or you might have to isolate it from the rack.  If you do 
isolate it, make sure to put a sign on it that it is hot so someone does not 
lay a tool on it or touch it with a metal ladder etc  that could ground it out 
and cause lots of sparks.  I personally don’t feel –48 unless I am hot and 
sweaty, so to me it is not much of a shock hazard but may be for others.  

If you do isolate it, remember that the input AC probably has a ground wire 
that will tie the chassis to earth ground.  If the +48 is tied to the chassis, 
you are going to have to disconnect the input ground too.  

And it is slightly possible, in an old and lousy design, that the AC neutral 
could also be tied to the chassis.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Isolating a -48 rectifier?

So, i was wondering if isolating a -48 dc rectifier from the rack/ground would 
turn it into a polarity agnostic device?

Re: [AFMUG] more details on upcomming ATT wisp/wll services

[Josh Reynolds]

Kind of. It's also built in to the new TV set top box. There is a model
with external sma connectors, Ethernet, and no coax input.
On Dec 8, 2015 5:09 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> The cpe hardware is from a Australian company
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> The article talks about Austrailia.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 4:20 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] more details on upcomming ATT wisp/wll services
>>
>>
>>
>> More details about the upcoming AT Wireless Local Loop / WISP deployment
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.fierceinstaller.com/story/netcomm-ericsson-will-outfit-att-wll-gear-and-services-report-says/2015-12-01
>>
>>
>>
>> All outdoor CPE
>>
>> 10x10 mhz FDD LTE
>>
>> 2.3 ghz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[jaldridge]

I carry a Taurus PT1911 a lot when I feel like concealing a little better I 
carry an fns-9 compact.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 8, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Christopher Tyler  
> wrote:
> 
> It's not a US thing...
> 
> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html
> 
> -- 
> Christopher Tyler 
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
> Total Highspeed Internet Services 
> 417.851.1107
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sean Heskett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 8:42:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why
> 
> Sometimes I just like stirring the pot ;)
> 
> I'm not saying one way is better or worse.  BUT our current system
> obviously seems to be failing because we are the only 1st world country
> with a mass shooting problem of this magnitude.
> 
> -Sean
> 
>> On Monday, December 7, 2015, George Skorup  wrote:
>> 
>> So then you'll take your guns to the police or sheriff and tell them you
>> don't need them anymore?
>> 
>> On 12/7/2015 9:43 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>> 
>> Australia had a gun problem...until it didn't anymore.
>> 
>> Just sayin
>> 
>> -Sean
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, December 7, 2015, Chuck McCown <
>> ch...@wbmfg.com
>> > wrote:
>> 
>>> On the assault rifle issue, are we just arguing about magazine size?
>>> 
>>> Or does it need a handle on top and a pistol grip?
>>> How does a BAR differ from an AR?  Assuming they are the same caliber.
>>> BAR is OK because it only shoots deer, but the AR is for shooting people?
>>> Wood stock good, green metal and plastic bad?
>>> 
>>> Semi automatic deer hunting rifles are OK, right?
>>> 
>>> Is this a distinction without a difference?
>>> 
>>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 3:31 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>>> and why
>>> 
>>> i have a Glock23 .40cal works great but it's not quite a "conceal carry"
>>> size.  I have it (unloaded and trigger locked) in my survival pack that
>>> stays in my airplane incase of an emergency landing in the back country ;-)
>>> 
>>> i'm also a Progressive Libtard (registered independent) that thinks we
>>> should ban assault rifles and large magazines just as we have banned hand
>>> grenades, bombs, rocket launchers and other military style/grade weapons.
>>> I've had my Hunter's safety card since I was 12 and I also went to high
>>> school next to Columbine in CO.  My younger sister had friends who died in
>>> the attack.
>>> 
>>> 2 cents.
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, James Howard >> > wrote:
>>> 
 It wasn’t just the backstrap that bothered me.  Mostly the diamond
 pattern just didn’t feel good in my hands.  I just did a bit of looking now
 though and it looks like there are some options for fixing that.  I might
 have to look into them again.  I really like the Sig P938 so far though.
 
 
 
 I missed your comment about Glock fanboys.  Shocking we haven’t had any
 so far but the thread devolved into politics from a simple question of what
 brand/model of pistol we like.  For the record, I’ve yet to meet a Glock
 that I’d want to own.
 
 
 
 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
 *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 11:08 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
 and why
 
 
 
 XDS has replaceable grip backstraps.
 
 
 
 On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:04 AM, James Howard > wrote:
 
 Sig P938 is 9mm and almost exactly the same size as a P238.  I’ve got
 the SAS model (anti snag).  I’ve also got a S M Shield in 9mm and have
 looked at the Springfield XDS many times.  I just can’t get over the fact
 that I don’t like the grips on the XDS.  Prime reason to go with the XDS is
 that you can get it in 45ACP.  There are a lot of cheaper brands out there
 too.
 
 
 
 If you have a place where you can do it, go and test fire all the
 different options.  My father-in-law bought a Glock 36 because several
 people told him how great they were.  The problem is that it doesn’t fit
 his hand well at all and the trigger digs into his finger so he shoots
 terrible with it.  His accuracy is greatly improved using my M Shield.
 
 
 
 No matter what you get though.  A major key to carrying it safely is
 practice and being comfortable with it.
 
 
 
 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 

Re: [AFMUG] Weatherproof Cable Glands

[Joshaven Mailing Lists]

I used to buy them at the local electrical supply company.


Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com



> On Dec 8, 2015, at 12:46 AM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
> 
> In case you missed my other post M4524GBW-SM
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> On Dec 7, 2015, at 11:15 PM, Darin Steffl  > wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Where is your favorite source for cable glands for outdoor boxes? We have 
>> gotten some from Amazon but they take forever to get here and wondering if 
>> you have a favorite source to get them at that ships quickly?  Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com 
>> 507-634-WiFi
>>   Like us on Facebook 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[Christopher Tyler]

It's not a US thing...

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Sean Heskett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 8:42:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

Sometimes I just like stirring the pot ;)

I'm not saying one way is better or worse.  BUT our current system
obviously seems to be failing because we are the only 1st world country
with a mass shooting problem of this magnitude.

-Sean

On Monday, December 7, 2015, George Skorup  wrote:

> So then you'll take your guns to the police or sheriff and tell them you
> don't need them anymore?
>
> On 12/7/2015 9:43 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> Australia had a gun problem...until it didn't anymore.
>
> Just sayin
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Monday, December 7, 2015, Chuck McCown <
> ch...@wbmfg.com
> > wrote:
>
>> On the assault rifle issue, are we just arguing about magazine size?
>>
>> Or does it need a handle on top and a pistol grip?
>> How does a BAR differ from an AR?  Assuming they are the same caliber.
>> BAR is OK because it only shoots deer, but the AR is for shooting people?
>> Wood stock good, green metal and plastic bad?
>>
>> Semi automatic deer hunting rifles are OK, right?
>>
>> Is this a distinction without a difference?
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 3:31 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>> and why
>>
>> i have a Glock23 .40cal works great but it's not quite a "conceal carry"
>> size.  I have it (unloaded and trigger locked) in my survival pack that
>> stays in my airplane incase of an emergency landing in the back country ;-)
>>
>> i'm also a Progressive Libtard (registered independent) that thinks we
>> should ban assault rifles and large magazines just as we have banned hand
>> grenades, bombs, rocket launchers and other military style/grade weapons.
>> I've had my Hunter's safety card since I was 12 and I also went to high
>> school next to Columbine in CO.  My younger sister had friends who died in
>> the attack.
>>
>> 2 cents.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, James Howard > > wrote:
>>
>>> It wasn’t just the backstrap that bothered me.  Mostly the diamond
>>> pattern just didn’t feel good in my hands.  I just did a bit of looking now
>>> though and it looks like there are some options for fixing that.  I might
>>> have to look into them again.  I really like the Sig P938 so far though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I missed your comment about Glock fanboys.  Shocking we haven’t had any
>>> so far but the thread devolved into politics from a simple question of what
>>> brand/model of pistol we like.  For the record, I’ve yet to meet a Glock
>>> that I’d want to own.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 11:08 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>>> and why
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> XDS has replaceable grip backstraps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:04 AM, James Howard >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Sig P938 is 9mm and almost exactly the same size as a P238.  I’ve got
>>> the SAS model (anti snag).  I’ve also got a S M Shield in 9mm and have
>>> looked at the Springfield XDS many times.  I just can’t get over the fact
>>> that I don’t like the grips on the XDS.  Prime reason to go with the XDS is
>>> that you can get it in 45ACP.  There are a lot of cheaper brands out there
>>> too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have a place where you can do it, go and test fire all the
>>> different options.  My father-in-law bought a Glock 36 because several
>>> people told him how great they were.  The problem is that it doesn’t fit
>>> his hand well at all and the trigger digs into his finger so he shoots
>>> terrible with it.  His accuracy is greatly improved using my M Shield.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No matter what you get though.  A major key to carrying it safely is
>>> practice and being comfortable with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> ] *On Behalf Of *Simon
>>> Westlake
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 10:09 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>>> and why
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That was one thing I forgot to mention with the P238.. it has a manual
>>> safety as well, if that's important to you. I personally don't 

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[Christopher Tyler]

There should be a 'just' in there... :)

-- 
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MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Christopher Tyler" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 9:06:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

It's not a US thing...

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

-- 
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MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Sean Heskett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 8:42:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

Sometimes I just like stirring the pot ;)

I'm not saying one way is better or worse.  BUT our current system
obviously seems to be failing because we are the only 1st world country
with a mass shooting problem of this magnitude.

-Sean

On Monday, December 7, 2015, George Skorup  wrote:

> So then you'll take your guns to the police or sheriff and tell them you
> don't need them anymore?
>
> On 12/7/2015 9:43 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> Australia had a gun problem...until it didn't anymore.
>
> Just sayin
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Monday, December 7, 2015, Chuck McCown <
> ch...@wbmfg.com
> > wrote:
>
>> On the assault rifle issue, are we just arguing about magazine size?
>>
>> Or does it need a handle on top and a pistol grip?
>> How does a BAR differ from an AR?  Assuming they are the same caliber.
>> BAR is OK because it only shoots deer, but the AR is for shooting people?
>> Wood stock good, green metal and plastic bad?
>>
>> Semi automatic deer hunting rifles are OK, right?
>>
>> Is this a distinction without a difference?
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 3:31 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>> and why
>>
>> i have a Glock23 .40cal works great but it's not quite a "conceal carry"
>> size.  I have it (unloaded and trigger locked) in my survival pack that
>> stays in my airplane incase of an emergency landing in the back country ;-)
>>
>> i'm also a Progressive Libtard (registered independent) that thinks we
>> should ban assault rifles and large magazines just as we have banned hand
>> grenades, bombs, rocket launchers and other military style/grade weapons.
>> I've had my Hunter's safety card since I was 12 and I also went to high
>> school next to Columbine in CO.  My younger sister had friends who died in
>> the attack.
>>
>> 2 cents.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, James Howard > > wrote:
>>
>>> It wasn’t just the backstrap that bothered me.  Mostly the diamond
>>> pattern just didn’t feel good in my hands.  I just did a bit of looking now
>>> though and it looks like there are some options for fixing that.  I might
>>> have to look into them again.  I really like the Sig P938 so far though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I missed your comment about Glock fanboys.  Shocking we haven’t had any
>>> so far but the thread devolved into politics from a simple question of what
>>> brand/model of pistol we like.  For the record, I’ve yet to meet a Glock
>>> that I’d want to own.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 11:08 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>>> and why
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> XDS has replaceable grip backstraps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:04 AM, James Howard >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Sig P938 is 9mm and almost exactly the same size as a P238.  I’ve got
>>> the SAS model (anti snag).  I’ve also got a S M Shield in 9mm and have
>>> looked at the Springfield XDS many times.  I just can’t get over the fact
>>> that I don’t like the grips on the XDS.  Prime reason to go with the XDS is
>>> that you can get it in 45ACP.  There are a lot of cheaper brands out there
>>> too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you have a place where you can do it, go and test fire all the
>>> different options.  My father-in-law bought a Glock 36 because several
>>> people told him how great they were.  The problem is that it doesn’t fit
>>> his hand well at all and the trigger digs into his finger so he shoots
>>> terrible with it.  His accuracy is greatly improved using my M Shield.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No matter what you get though.  A major key to carrying it safely is
>>> practice and being comfortable with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> ] *On Behalf Of *Simon
>>> Westlake
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

The US has a much bigger criminal problem than gun problem. We have too
many programs that were designed to help that ended up abused so we drop a
certain chunk of society down into a hole where criminality is rampant. We
have these programs in those holes, but arent allowed to build ladders

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> But if you look it that list carefully, it includes one and two victim
> crimes, which constitute the majority of the shootings in the U.S. Those
> crimes arguably would have happened even without access to a gun. People
> have been killing each other since the beginning of time. If you want to
> kill someone, a gun is only one tool among many. People in the UK somehow
> still manage to kill each other (some with firearms) even with very
> restrictive gun controls in place.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bill Prince" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 9:45:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and
> why
>
> I think the original statement is true. Looking down the list, it goes:
>
> US
> Scotland
> Australia
> US
> Yemen
> US
> US
> US
> US
> US
> US
> US
> US
> US
> Canada
> US
> US
> US ...
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 12/8/2015 7:07 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote:
> > There should be a 'just' in there... :)
> >
>
>


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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Pmp430

[jaldridge]

Anyone interested in these AP's and antennas.
Cambium Networks PMP 430 Access Point 5.8ghz qty:6

85010104001 PMP 400/PMP430 5GHz 65° qty:6



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Re: [AFMUG] Used procera

[Stefan Englhardt]

This is why I try to solve bandwidth problems with throwing more bandwidth in.





Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck Hogg
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2015 17:49
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Used procera



Example, our Procera licensing lapsed, I just paid the full price to get us 
current, even though we will only be getting <6mths of support.




Regards,
Chuck



On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Rory Conaway  > wrote:

Same with Barracuda basically.

Rory


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used procera

I would not buy a 7720. If it's not listed on Procera's website under 
'Products', it's EOL and they may not even license it anymore. Without 
licensing, it's essentially worthless.

What I would do is contact a Procera reseller first, let them know what you're 
looking at, and they can generate a quote for you to license/support it. It may 
be cheaper than buying a new one if it's an expensive chassis, but I doubt you 
would save much in this particular case, and you may end up with an unusable 
chassis.

On 12/5/2015 9:48 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>
> What are the cons of buying a used procera?
>
> http://m.ebay.com/itm/PacketLogic-Procera-PL7720-IPE-DPI-Appliance-Pac
> ket-Shaper-Deep-packet-inspect-/301749867874?nav=SEARCH
>

--
Simon Westlake
Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software 
Phone: (702) 447-1247 
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] Isolating a -48 rectifier?

[Gino Villarini]

How do i perform a galvanic test?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> The designer may or may not have tied the positive output to the chassis.
>
> You would have to galvanically isolate it and see if there is a voltage
> from negative to chassis.
>
> You might be OK or you might have to isolate it from the rack.  If you do
> isolate it, make sure to put a sign on it that it is hot so someone does
> not lay a tool on it or touch it with a metal ladder etc  that could ground
> it out and cause lots of sparks.  I personally don’t feel –48 unless I am
> hot and sweaty, so to me it is not much of a shock hazard but may be for
> others.
>
> If you do isolate it, remember that the input AC probably has a ground
> wire that will tie the chassis to earth ground.  If the +48 is tied to the
> chassis, you are going to have to disconnect the input ground too.
>
> And it is slightly possible, in an old and lousy design, that the AC
> neutral could also be tied to the chassis.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Isolating a -48 rectifier?
>
> So, i was wondering if isolating a -48 dc rectifier from the rack/ground
> would turn it into a polarity agnostic device?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Isolating a -48 rectifier?

[Chuck McCown]

Voltmeter.  Have it all wired up but sitting on an insulator.  
Wood, cardboard box etc.
Be good to put a load on it.  Some rectifiers don’t really do their thing 
without a real load.  
40 watt 120 VAC light bulb will work just fine.  360 ohms.  155mA @ –55 VDC.  

Check to see if there is a voltage from the chassis to either output.  
Hopefully they are just floating.  
If you see a solid –48 to –55 volts from the negative terminal to the chassis, 
you have a non isolated rectifier.  

In that case you will have a problem because you will have to isolate the AC 
ground too  and possibly the neutral as well.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 9:41 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Isolating a -48 rectifier?

How do i perform a galvanic test?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  The designer may or may not have tied the positive output to the chassis.  

  You would have to galvanically isolate it and see if there is a voltage from 
negative to chassis.  

  You might be OK or you might have to isolate it from the rack.  If you do 
isolate it, make sure to put a sign on it that it is hot so someone does not 
lay a tool on it or touch it with a metal ladder etc  that could ground it out 
and cause lots of sparks.  I personally don’t feel –48 unless I am hot and 
sweaty, so to me it is not much of a shock hazard but may be for others.  

  If you do isolate it, remember that the input AC probably has a ground wire 
that will tie the chassis to earth ground.  If the +48 is tied to the chassis, 
you are going to have to disconnect the input ground too.  

  And it is slightly possible, in an old and lousy design, that the AC neutral 
could also be tied to the chassis.  

  From: Gino Villarini 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:12 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Isolating a -48 rectifier?

  So, i was wondering if isolating a -48 dc rectifier from the rack/ground 
would turn it into a polarity agnostic device?

Re: [AFMUG] Used procera

[Chuck Hogg]

Example, our Procera licensing lapsed, I just paid the full price to get us
current, even though we will only be getting <6mths of support.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> Same with Barracuda basically.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
> Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 7:51 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used procera
>
> I would not buy a 7720. If it's not listed on Procera's website under
> 'Products', it's EOL and they may not even license it anymore. Without
> licensing, it's essentially worthless.
>
> What I would do is contact a Procera reseller first, let them know what
> you're looking at, and they can generate a quote for you to license/support
> it. It may be cheaper than buying a new one if it's an expensive chassis,
> but I doubt you would save much in this particular case, and you may end up
> with an unusable chassis.
>
> On 12/5/2015 9:48 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
> >
> > What are the cons of buying a used procera?
> >
> > http://m.ebay.com/itm/PacketLogic-Procera-PL7720-IPE-DPI-Appliance-Pac
> > ket-Shaper-Deep-packet-inspect-/301749867874?nav=SEARCH
> >
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[Bill Prince]

I think the original statement is true. Looking down the list, it goes:

US
Scotland
Australia
US
Yemen
US
US
US
US
US
US
US
US
US
Canada
US
US
US ...

bp


On 12/8/2015 7:07 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote:

There should be a 'just' in there... :)

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

[Jay Weekley]

Distance from what you are grounding to your ground point is often a 
factor.  I've got a chart for NOC grounding but I'm not sure if that is 
applicable to Nate's project.


Josh Luthman wrote:


Isn't ground always supposed to be 6 awg?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 8, 2015 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" > wrote:


Is there a chart of 'rule of thumb' for ground conductor size? 
I'm guessing that like a little satellite dish non-pen, would need

a smaller ground wire than say a non-pen Sled that can hold a full
Cell Array.  Does it have somethign to do with the amount of
conductive surface area?

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode overlay pop ups

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

1680x1050

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> What resolution is the Powercode screen using?  I'm assuming it doesn't
> have this problem?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:47 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> it seems like its designed for a specific resolution, anything other than
>> that and what it does is chaosI have two monitors side by side with
>> different resoltions and one is always fine the other i try to keep
>> powercode off of
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:08 AM, Josh Luthman > > wrote:
>>
>>> It seems to me like more often than not the pop ups will start at the
>>> bottom of the screen so I have to scroll down every time.  For example, if
>>> I click "Email to customer" (the invoice I just made) the pop up is out of
>>> sight until I scroll down.
>>>
>>> Does anyone else get this or am I the only one?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

[Nate Burke]

Is there a chart of 'rule of thumb' for ground conductor size?  I'm 
guessing that like a little satellite dish non-pen, would need a smaller 
ground wire than say a non-pen Sled that can hold a full Cell Array.  
Does it have somethign to do with the amount of conductive surface area?

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

[Chuck McCown]

NEC would lead you to believe that.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 8:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

Isn't ground always supposed to be 6 awg?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 8, 2015 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

  Is there a chart of 'rule of thumb' for ground conductor size?  I'm guessing 
that like a little satellite dish non-pen, would need a smaller ground wire 
than say a non-pen Sled that can hold a full Cell Array.  Does it have 
somethign to do with the amount of conductive surface area?

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

dont ground, it just attracts lighting



On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Erich Kaiser 
wrote:

> The question becomes, what are you trying to ground a tower or a non-pen?
> If just a non-pen I would do 6 awg,
>
> I have always looked at distance from grounding source as well, to make
> the path of least resistance.   The other thing to look at is if there is
> actually a good grounding source, you need to check resistance at the
> rod(s), corrosion plays a HUGE factor into "bad grounds".
>
> There are also RF Bibles out there that many guys follow, here is the
> motorola one:
>
>
> https://sites.auburn.edu/admin/facilities/spw-bid-calendar/11-150%20AU%20Regional%20Airport-Construct%20a%20Self-Supporting%20Radio%20Tower/Project%20Documents/1/Motorola_R56_2005_manual.pdf
>
> Just my opinion.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> NEC would lead you to believe that.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 8:51 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size
>>
>>
>> Isn't ground always supposed to be 6 awg?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Dec 8, 2015 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a chart of 'rule of thumb' for ground conductor size?  I'm
>>> guessing that like a little satellite dish non-pen, would need a smaller
>>> ground wire than say a non-pen Sled that can hold a full Cell Array.  Does
>>> it have somethign to do with the amount of conductive surface area?
>>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Recommended platform for voip service platform?

[Chuck Hogg]

We're a Netsapiens shop here.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Jon Bruce 
wrote:

> I've only seen billing.
>
>
> On 12/7/2015 8:35 AM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
>
> When you say intgrate do you mean auto import of billing data or can you
> provision from within power code?
>
> Craig schmaderer
> Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 5:09 AM -0800, "Jon Bruce" <
> jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Ipifony, plus they integrate with Powercode
>
> On 12/7/2015 7:17 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> We loved ipfony.
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015, 4:48 AM�Eric Kuhnke < 
> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> that doesn't answer the question, what capacity of system are you looking
>> for?
>>
>> resale to end users or to other smaller voip providers?
>>
>> (eg: the relationship voxbeam might have to a company that sells enduser
>> business PBX systems)
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:37 AM, Gino Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> for us to do voip resale
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 how many active extensions, DIDs, trunks and simultaneous calls are we
 talking about?

 On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Gino Villarini 
 wrote:

> What would be the recommended choice for business class voip service
> platform?
>


>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

[Josh Luthman]

Isn't ground always supposed to be 6 awg?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 8, 2015 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> Is there a chart of 'rule of thumb' for ground conductor size?  I'm
> guessing that like a little satellite dish non-pen, would need a smaller
> ground wire than say a non-pen Sled that can hold a full Cell Array.  Does
> it have somethign to do with the amount of conductive surface area?
>

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[Christopher Tyler]

But if you look it that list carefully, it includes one and two victim crimes, 
which constitute the majority of the shootings in the U.S. Those crimes 
arguably would have happened even without access to a gun. People have been 
killing each other since the beginning of time. If you want to kill someone, a 
gun is only one tool among many. People in the UK somehow still manage to kill 
each other (some with firearms) even with very restrictive gun controls in 
place.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 9:45:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

I think the original statement is true. Looking down the list, it goes:

US
Scotland
Australia
US
Yemen
US
US
US
US
US
US
US
US
US
Canada
US
US
US ...

bp


On 12/8/2015 7:07 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote:
> There should be a 'just' in there... :)
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

[Erich Kaiser]

The question becomes, what are you trying to ground a tower or a non-pen?
If just a non-pen I would do 6 awg,

I have always looked at distance from grounding source as well, to make the
path of least resistance.   The other thing to look at is if there is
actually a good grounding source, you need to check resistance at the
rod(s), corrosion plays a HUGE factor into "bad grounds".

There are also RF Bibles out there that many guys follow, here is the
motorola one:

https://sites.auburn.edu/admin/facilities/spw-bid-calendar/11-150%20AU%20Regional%20Airport-Construct%20a%20Self-Supporting%20Radio%20Tower/Project%20Documents/1/Motorola_R56_2005_manual.pdf

Just my opinion.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> NEC would lead you to believe that.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 8:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size
>
>
> Isn't ground always supposed to be 6 awg?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 8, 2015 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:
>
>> Is there a chart of 'rule of thumb' for ground conductor size?  I'm
>> guessing that like a little satellite dish non-pen, would need a smaller
>> ground wire than say a non-pen Sled that can hold a full Cell Array.  Does
>> it have somethign to do with the amount of conductive surface area?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

[Sean Heskett]

Let me introduce you to our friend Steve...notice the "/sarcasm" tag in his
email name.  He says what he means but he doesn't always mean what he says
;)

-Sean

On Tuesday, December 8, 2015, Joshaven Mailing Lists 
wrote:

> How do you avoid grounding… doesn’t the power have a ground?
>
> Isn’t not grounding mean that the best ground would then be through the
> power and data cables in the wire?
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Joshaven Potter
> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
> 
> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
> supp...@joshaven.com
> 
>
>
>
> On Dec 8, 2015, at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> dont ground, it just attracts lighting
>
> 
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Erich Kaiser  > wrote:
>
>> The question becomes, what are you trying to ground a tower or a
>> non-pen?  If just a non-pen I would do 6 awg,
>>
>> I have always looked at distance from grounding source as well, to make
>> the path of least resistance.   The other thing to look at is if there is
>> actually a good grounding source, you need to check resistance at the
>> rod(s), corrosion plays a HUGE factor into "bad grounds".
>>
>> There are also RF Bibles out there that many guys follow, here is the
>> motorola one:
>>
>>
>> https://sites.auburn.edu/admin/facilities/spw-bid-calendar/11-150%20AU%20Regional%20Airport-Construct%20a%20Self-Supporting%20Radio%20Tower/Project%20Documents/1/Motorola_R56_2005_manual.pdf
>>
>> Just my opinion.
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> 
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Chuck McCown > > wrote:
>>
>>> NEC would lead you to believe that.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>> 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 8:51 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size
>>>
>>>
>>> Isn't ground always supposed to be 6 awg?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Dec 8, 2015 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" >> > wrote:
>>>
 Is there a chart of 'rule of thumb' for ground conductor size?  I'm
 guessing that like a little satellite dish non-pen, would need a smaller
 ground wire than say a non-pen Sled that can hold a full Cell Array.  Does
 it have somethign to do with the amount of conductive surface area?

>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[Patrick Leary]

Here’s a general comment, not to you Steve. One may stand a chance in a 
self-defense situation if you are armed. Maybe. People seldom act as they think 
they will, and nearly all over estimate their skill level under duress. I trust 
a combat veteran’s opinion of his would-be reaction (or one who has been in a 
situation dealing with an armed assailant), all the rest I think you are quite 
possibly fooling yourself.

That aside, in an active shooter situation, here’s what’s certainly a real 
potential outcome for any “good guy with a gun.” This outcome is exactly why 
the concealed carrying army vet in Oregon stayed out of the situation 
http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2015/10/02/vet-with-concealed-weapon-explains-why-he-didnt-shoot-in-umpqua;
 he knew he’d likely have been shot by SWAT who, gee whiz, for some odd reason 
are unable to tell the difference between a “good guy” with a gun and a “bad 
guy” just by looking at them.

The police in this case are claiming this exiting hostage did not follow orders 
to drop his weapon. Time slows in a stressful situation and cops are human. 
Officers may really believe they gave a person time to comply, but video often 
shows this is not the case. In any event, this “good guy with a gun” who saved 
his co-worker is dead, shot by the cops.

http://wbay.com/2015/12/05/neenah-police-respond-to-hostage-situation-at-eagle-nation-cycles/

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 11:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

The US has a much bigger criminal problem than gun problem. We have too many 
programs that were designed to help that ended up abused so we drop a certain 
chunk of society down into a hole where criminality is rampant. We have these 
programs in those holes, but arent allowed to build ladders

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Christopher Tyler 
> wrote:
But if you look it that list carefully, it includes one and two victim crimes, 
which constitute the majority of the shootings in the U.S. Those crimes 
arguably would have happened even without access to a gun. People have been 
killing each other since the beginning of time. If you want to kill someone, a 
gun is only one tool among many. People in the UK somehow still manage to kill 
each other (some with firearms) even with very restrictive gun controls in 
place.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Bill Prince" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 9:45:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why
I think the original statement is true. Looking down the list, it goes:

US
Scotland
Australia
US
Yemen
US
US
US
US
US
US
US
US
US
Canada
US
US
US ...

bp


On 12/8/2015 7:07 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote:
> There should be a 'just' in there... :)
>



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Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[Chuck Hogg]

I regularly carry my KelTec P3AT, looks like a cell phone in my pocket.  It
doesn't have a safety, but I don't carry it with a round chambered.  I'm in
a pretty rural farming area, and there are a lot of migrant workers.  With
that has brought more burglary type of crime.  The standard to do is go
knock on all the doors.  If nobody answers, they break in.  My office is in
the front of my house, and I have had this encounter 4 times since living
there about 9 years.  The last 2 times I have walked out gun in hand.  It's
interesting, they only turn around and don't even get out of the car.  I
know what they are there for and so do they.  I also have cameras all over
my property, so I know when people come and go.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> It's not a US thing...
>
> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sean Heskett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 8:42:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and
> why
>
> Sometimes I just like stirring the pot ;)
>
> I'm not saying one way is better or worse.  BUT our current system
> obviously seems to be failing because we are the only 1st world country
> with a mass shooting problem of this magnitude.
>
> -Sean
>
> On Monday, December 7, 2015, George Skorup  wrote:
>
> > So then you'll take your guns to the police or sheriff and tell them you
> > don't need them anymore?
> >
> > On 12/7/2015 9:43 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> >
> > Australia had a gun problem...until it didn't anymore.
> >
> > Just sayin
> >
> > -Sean
> >
> >
> > On Monday, December 7, 2015, Chuck McCown <
> > ch...@wbmfg.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On the assault rifle issue, are we just arguing about magazine size?
> >>
> >> Or does it need a handle on top and a pistol grip?
> >> How does a BAR differ from an AR?  Assuming they are the same caliber.
> >> BAR is OK because it only shoots deer, but the AR is for shooting
> people?
> >> Wood stock good, green metal and plastic bad?
> >>
> >> Semi automatic deer hunting rifles are OK, right?
> >>
> >> Is this a distinction without a difference?
> >>
> >> *From:* Sean Heskett
> >> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 3:31 PM
> >> *To:* af@afmug.com
> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
> >> and why
> >>
> >> i have a Glock23 .40cal works great but it's not quite a "conceal carry"
> >> size.  I have it (unloaded and trigger locked) in my survival pack that
> >> stays in my airplane incase of an emergency landing in the back country
> ;-)
> >>
> >> i'm also a Progressive Libtard (registered independent) that thinks we
> >> should ban assault rifles and large magazines just as we have banned
> hand
> >> grenades, bombs, rocket launchers and other military style/grade
> weapons.
> >> I've had my Hunter's safety card since I was 12 and I also went to high
> >> school next to Columbine in CO.  My younger sister had friends who died
> in
> >> the attack.
> >>
> >> 2 cents.
> >>
> >> -Sean
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, James Howard  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> It wasn’t just the backstrap that bothered me.  Mostly the diamond
> >>> pattern just didn’t feel good in my hands.  I just did a bit of
> looking now
> >>> though and it looks like there are some options for fixing that.  I
> might
> >>> have to look into them again.  I really like the Sig P938 so far
> though.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I missed your comment about Glock fanboys.  Shocking we haven’t had any
> >>> so far but the thread devolved into politics from a simple question of
> what
> >>> brand/model of pistol we like.  For the record, I’ve yet to meet a
> Glock
> >>> that I’d want to own.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 11:08 AM
> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
> >>> and why
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> XDS has replaceable grip backstraps.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 11:04 AM, James Howard  >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sig P938 is 9mm and almost exactly the same size as a P238.  I’ve got
> >>> the SAS model (anti snag).  I’ve also got a S M Shield in 9mm and
> have
> >>> looked at the Springfield XDS many times.  I just can’t get over the
> fact
> >>> that I don’t like the grips on the XDS.  Prime reason to go with the
> XDS is
> >>> that you can get it in 45ACP.  There are a 

[AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Sam Lambie]

Hey all,


I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the Autoupdate
function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update package available.
Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st? Or do I have
to scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade them that way?

Sam


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] more details on upcomming ATT wisp/wll services

[Chuck Hogg]

They will do it in Kentucky too.  They just got dereg'd on the copper side
with the PSC.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Kind of. It's also built in to the new TV set top box. There is a model
> with external sma connectors, Ethernet, and no coax input.
> On Dec 8, 2015 5:09 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:
>
>> The cpe hardware is from a Australian company
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>>> The article talks about Austrailia.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 4:20 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] more details on upcomming ATT wisp/wll services
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> More details about the upcoming AT Wireless Local Loop / WISP
>>> deployment
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.fierceinstaller.com/story/netcomm-ericsson-will-outfit-att-wll-gear-and-services-report-says/2015-12-01
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All outdoor CPE
>>>
>>> 10x10 mhz FDD LTE
>>>
>>> 2.3 ghz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

[Joshaven Mailing Lists]

How do you avoid grounding… doesn’t the power have a ground?

Isn’t not grounding mean that the best ground would then be through the power 
and data cables in the wire?


Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com



> On Dec 8, 2015, at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> dont ground, it just attracts lighting
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Erich Kaiser  > wrote:
> The question becomes, what are you trying to ground a tower or a non-pen?  If 
> just a non-pen I would do 6 awg,
> 
> I have always looked at distance from grounding source as well, to make the 
> path of least resistance.   The other thing to look at is if there is 
> actually a good grounding source, you need to check resistance at the rod(s), 
> corrosion plays a HUGE factor into "bad grounds".  
> 
> There are also RF Bibles out there that many guys follow, here is the 
> motorola one:
> 
> https://sites.auburn.edu/admin/facilities/spw-bid-calendar/11-150%20AU%20Regional%20Airport-Construct%20a%20Self-Supporting%20Radio%20Tower/Project%20Documents/1/Motorola_R56_2005_manual.pdf
>  
> 
> 
> Just my opinion.
> 
> 
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com 
> Office: 630-621-4804 
> Cell: 630-777-9291 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:
> NEC would lead you to believe that. 
>  
> From: Josh Luthman 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 8:51 AM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size
>  
> Isn't ground always supposed to be 6 awg?
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 
> Direct: 937-552-2343 
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Dec 8, 2015 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  > wrote:
> Is there a chart of 'rule of thumb' for ground conductor size?  I'm guessing 
> that like a little satellite dish non-pen, would need a smaller ground wire 
> than say a non-pen Sled that can hold a full Cell Array.  Does it have 
> somethign to do with the amount of conductive surface area?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

[Joseph Marsh]

6 gauge solid copper  is what we do

-Original Message-
From: "Jay Weekley" 
Sent: ‎12/‎8/‎2015 10:08 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

Distance from what you are grounding to your ground point is often a 
factor.  I've got a chart for NOC grounding but I'm not sure if that is 
applicable to Nate's project.

Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Isn't ground always supposed to be 6 awg?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 8, 2015 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  > wrote:
>
> Is there a chart of 'rule of thumb' for ground conductor size? 
> I'm guessing that like a little satellite dish non-pen, would need
> a smaller ground wire than say a non-pen Sled that can hold a full
> Cell Array.  Does it have somethign to do with the amount of
> conductive surface area?
>

[AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

[Peter Kranz]

Has anyone created one of these? I've got OSHA requesting a copy of ours.
I'd like to "borrow" someone's if they have one.

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[Patrick Leary]

You describe the main reason I own one. I work from home, and not far from a 
janky area and what you describe is a potential problem. I don’t carry though. 
I also have a large, scary dog.


-  Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 12:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

I regularly carry my KelTec P3AT, looks like a cell phone in my pocket.  It 
doesn't have a safety, but I don't carry it with a round chambered.  I'm in a 
pretty rural farming area, and there are a lot of migrant workers.  With that 
has brought more burglary type of crime.  The standard to do is go knock on all 
the doors.  If nobody answers, they break in.  My office is in the front of my 
house, and I have had this encounter 4 times since living there about 9 years.  
The last 2 times I have walked out gun in hand.  It's interesting, they only 
turn around and don't even get out of the car.  I know what they are there for 
and so do they.  I also have cameras all over my property, so I know when 
people come and go.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Christopher Tyler 
> wrote:
It's not a US thing...

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777958.html

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Sean Heskett" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 8:42:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

Sometimes I just like stirring the pot ;)

I'm not saying one way is better or worse.  BUT our current system
obviously seems to be failing because we are the only 1st world country
with a mass shooting problem of this magnitude.

-Sean

On Monday, December 7, 2015, George Skorup 
> wrote:

> So then you'll take your guns to the police or sheriff and tell them you
> don't need them anymore?
>
> On 12/7/2015 9:43 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> Australia had a gun problem...until it didn't anymore.
>
> Just sayin
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Monday, December 7, 2015, Chuck McCown <
> ');>ch...@wbmfg.com
> ');>> 
> wrote:
>
>> On the assault rifle issue, are we just arguing about magazine size?
>>
>> Or does it need a handle on top and a pistol grip?
>> How does a BAR differ from an AR?  Assuming they are the same caliber.
>> BAR is OK because it only shoots deer, but the AR is for shooting people?
>> Wood stock good, green metal and plastic bad?
>>
>> Semi automatic deer hunting rifles are OK, right?
>>
>> Is this a distinction without a difference?
>>
>> *From:* Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 3:31 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>> and why
>>
>> i have a Glock23 .40cal works great but it's not quite a "conceal carry"
>> size.  I have it (unloaded and trigger locked) in my survival pack that
>> stays in my airplane incase of an emergency landing in the back country ;-)
>>
>> i'm also a Progressive Libtard (registered independent) that thinks we
>> should ban assault rifles and large magazines just as we have banned hand
>> grenades, bombs, rocket launchers and other military style/grade weapons.
>> I've had my Hunter's safety card since I was 12 and I also went to high
>> school next to Columbine in CO.  My younger sister had friends who died in
>> the attack.
>>
>> 2 cents.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:01 PM, James Howard 
>> 
>> ');>>
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> It wasn’t just the backstrap that bothered me.  Mostly the diamond
>>> pattern just didn’t feel good in my hands.  I just did a bit of looking now
>>> though and it looks like there are some options for fixing that.  I might
>>> have to look into them again.  I really like the Sig P938 so far though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I missed your comment about Glock fanboys.  Shocking we haven’t had any
>>> so far but the thread devolved into politics from a simple question of what
>>> brand/model of pistol we like.  For the record, I’ve yet to meet a Glock
>>> that I’d want to own.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On 
>>> Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 07, 2015 11:08 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> ');>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>>> and why
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> XDS has replaceable grip 

Re: [AFMUG] more details on upcomming ATT wisp/wll services

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

the huge question to be asked.

data caps or no?

i'm betting data caps...


  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Hogg 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:22 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] more details on upcomming ATT wisp/wll services


  They will do it in Kentucky too.  They just got dereg'd on the copper side 
with the PSC.


  Regards,
  Chuck


  On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:34 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

Kind of. It's also built in to the new TV set top box. There is a model 
with external sma connectors, Ethernet, and no coax input.

On Dec 8, 2015 5:09 AM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

  The cpe hardware is from a Australian company


  On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

The article talks about Austrailia.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] more details on upcomming ATT wisp/wll services



More details about the upcoming AT Wireless Local Loop / WISP 
deployment




http://www.fierceinstaller.com/story/netcomm-ericsson-will-outfit-att-wll-gear-and-services-report-says/2015-12-01



All outdoor CPE

10x10 mhz FDD LTE

2.3 ghz 


 

Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Matt Mangriotis]

It means that the 430 SM is supported when they’re talking to a 450 AP 
(Interoperability Mode only).

The PMP 430 AP will not take R14.1.1.

Matt


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Thanks Matt. So what does this mean then?
Customers running PMP 430 SMs in PMP 450 interoperability mode, please use the 
PMP 450 CNUT pkg3 file found 
here. Note the linked file 
is for 14.1.1

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
>
 wrote:
Sam – R14.1.1 is not supported by PMP 430.

The PMP 430 SM are only supported when connected to PMP 450 AP (i.e. 
Interoperability mode).  Also, make sure you’re using the latest CNUT 
(available on the support site).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Hey all,
I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the Autoupdate 
function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update package available.
Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st? Or do I have to 
scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade them that way?
Sam


--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

[Lewis Bergman]

I have one in word that I am pretty sure I gave to WISPA but I have never
been able to find anything I gave them anywhere.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM Peter Kranz  wrote:

> Has anyone created one of these? I’ve got OSHA requesting a copy of ours.
> I’d like to “borrow” someone’s if they have one.
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Sam Lambie]

Thanks Matt. So what does this mean then?
Customers running PMP 430 SMs in PMP 450 interoperability mode, please use
the PMP 450 CNUT pkg3 file found here
. Note the linked file
is for 14.1.1

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Matt Mangriotis <
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:

> Sam – R14.1.1 is not supported by PMP 430.
>
>
>
> The PMP 430 SM are only supported when connected to PMP 450 AP (i.e.
> Interoperability mode).  Also, make sure you’re using the latest CNUT
> (available on the support site).
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's
>
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the Autoupdate
> function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update package available.
>
> Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st? Or do I have
> to scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade them that way?
>
> Sam
>
>
>
> --
>
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

[Lewis Bergman]

R56 says #2 for TGB and EGB (outside)

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:43 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Let me introduce you to our friend Steve...notice the "/sarcasm" tag in
> his email name.  He says what he means but he doesn't always mean what he
> says ;)
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 8, 2015, Joshaven Mailing Lists 
> wrote:
>
>> How do you avoid grounding… doesn’t the power have a ground?
>>
>> Isn’t not grounding mean that the best ground would then be through the
>> power and data cables in the wire?
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Joshaven Potter
>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA
>> Google Hangouts: yourt...@gmail.com
>> Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
>> supp...@joshaven.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> dont ground, it just attracts lighting
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:09 AM, Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>
>> The question becomes, what are you trying to ground a tower or a
>>> non-pen?  If just a non-pen I would do 6 awg,
>>>
>>> I have always looked at distance from grounding source as well, to make
>>> the path of least resistance.   The other thing to look at is if there is
>>> actually a good grounding source, you need to check resistance at the
>>> rod(s), corrosion plays a HUGE factor into "bad grounds".
>>>
>>> There are also RF Bibles out there that many guys follow, here is the
>>> motorola one:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://sites.auburn.edu/admin/facilities/spw-bid-calendar/11-150%20AU%20Regional%20Airport-Construct%20a%20Self-Supporting%20Radio%20Tower/Project%20Documents/1/Motorola_R56_2005_manual.pdf
>>>
>>> Just my opinion.
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>> NEC would lead you to believe that.

>>>
 *From:* Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 8:51 AM

>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ground Conductor Size

>>>

 Isn't ground always supposed to be 6 awg?

>>> Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

>>> On Dec 8, 2015 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> Is there a chart of 'rule of thumb' for ground conductor size?  I'm
> guessing that like a little satellite dish non-pen, would need a smaller
> ground wire than say a non-pen Sled that can hold a full Cell Array.  Does
> it have somethign to do with the amount of conductive surface area?
>
 --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

How does one get themselves on the OSHA radar?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I have had good success in hiring OSHA consultants to look me over before
> OSHA has a chance to do the same.
> Cheap insurance.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..
>
> I have one in word that I am pretty sure I gave to WISPA but I have never
> been able to find anything I gave them anywhere.
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM Peter Kranz  wrote:
>
>> Has anyone created one of these? I’ve got OSHA requesting a copy of ours.
>> I’d like to “borrow” someone’s if they have one.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

[Chuck McCown]

I have had good success in hiring OSHA consultants to look me over before OSHA 
has a chance to do the same.  
Cheap insurance.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

I have one in word that I am pretty sure I gave to WISPA but I have never been 
able to find anything I gave them anywhere.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM Peter Kranz  wrote:

  Has anyone created one of these? I’ve got OSHA requesting a copy of ours. I’d 
like to “borrow” someone’s if they have one.



  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Matt Mangriotis]

Sam – R14.1.1 is not supported by PMP 430.

The PMP 430 SM are only supported when connected to PMP 450 AP (i.e. 
Interoperability mode).  Also, make sure you’re using the latest CNUT 
(available on the support site).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Hey all,

I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the Autoupdate 
function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update package available.
Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st? Or do I have to 
scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade them that way?
Sam


--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Why am I getting left out?

I have no doubt the majority of people would not perform as heroically as
they anticipate they would. But better to fail than be a victim. With that,
however should come a great deal of responsibility, first and foremost, you
are responsible for your own actions. If you try to be a hero, and you
shoot a bystander, be prepared for the consequence. If you try to be a
hero, and you are shot by a responding professional, that is also a
consequence of being a shooter in an active shooter situation.

I would venture a guess there are alot of shootings that happen where a CCW
holder was present that you dont hear about because when push came to
shove, they stayed holstered and fled, as it should be. But once again,
better to have the option to defend and choose not to use it than to have
no option aside from being a victim.

The US has too many vague interpretations of freedom, that is why it is so
dangerous here. You could arm every person with a howitzer and a sword, it
would be no more dangerous. Our criminals are entitled punks. They know
that our prison systems are not gulags or work camps, The expenditures from
our correctional systems on entertainment alone is astounding, and we no
longer offer reform or re-education, our sentencing guidelines are such
that it is a better gamble to shoot first than leave witnesses.

We have an abused welfare system that has become a generational lifestyle
and are not allowed to empower those who live in it for fear of
repercussions of some form of discrimination. We have systems in place to
specifically train those most at risk for criminality to hate those who
succeed as being thieves of entitlements. Those at risk are further chained
by inherent beliefs within their communities that trying to change for the
better is selling out from what is real.

Then, we have the lunatics, whos actions are treated as common, when in
reality they are so few and far between they barely even account for any
measurable component of the criminality in this country. Lunatics, you
truly can do little for, whether it be lunacy in ones religion or political
beliefs, or just fucking nuts, they will do what they do when they do it
without any warning that doesnt require hindsight.  Mass shootings should
be the least of anyone's concern. We have yet to have a mass shooting in
the country that beats the average week in our major cities.

Whether something is listed as terrorism, mental illness, or a hate crime
is what our country focuses on, not what the underlying issue is that
brings it out, criminality.

Between the overbearing reach of our federal, state and local government
into our personal lives and the lack of any actual meaningful approach to
limit, hinder, or avoid criminality in the United States, there really is
no limit to the need for bigger, better, faster, more firepower among the
general population. Because at the end of the day the United State is a
selfish nation, and no matter how much cuckolding to the government we
portray, or communal love for our fellow man we present, it is in reality
every man for himself here, and dont let anyone ever fool you about that.

So really, given what the United States really is, and not what we present,
it is irresponsible to not be prepared. But in retrospect I see what your
original statement was, and you are correct, it is, in fact pathetic that
this conversation needs to take place. We are not a civil society, its
pathetic we are arrogant enough to kid ourselves about that.



On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Patrick Leary 
wrote:

> You describe the main reason I own one. I work from home, and not far from
> a janky area and what you describe is a potential problem. I don’t carry
> though. I also have a large, scary dog.
>
>
>
> -  Patrick
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Hogg
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 12:33 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
> and why
>
>
>
> I regularly carry my KelTec P3AT, looks like a cell phone in my pocket.
> It doesn't have a safety, but I don't carry it with a round chambered.  I'm
> in a pretty rural farming area, and there are a lot of migrant workers.
> With that has brought more burglary type of crime.  The standard to do is
> go knock on all the doors.  If nobody answers, they break in.  My office is
> in the front of my house, and I have had this encounter 4 times since
> living there about 9 years.  The last 2 times I have walked out gun in
> hand.  It's interesting, they only turn around and don't even get out of
> the car.  I know what they are there for and so do they.  I also have
> cameras all over my property, so I know when people come and go.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Christopher Tyler <
> ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:
>
> It's not a US thing...
>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Sam Lambie]

That s the thing, I don't want to upgrade the AP to 14.1.1 just the SM's,
Auto update in CNUT version 4.9.x doesn't like to push the file through the
AP.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Matt Mangriotis <
matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:

> It means that the 430 SM is supported when they’re talking to a 450 AP
> (Interoperability Mode only).
>
>
>
> The PMP 430 AP will not take R14.1.1.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's
>
>
>
> Thanks Matt. So what does this mean then?
> Customers running PMP 430 SMs in PMP 450 interoperability mode, please use
> the PMP 450 CNUT pkg3 file found here
> . Note the linked file
> is for 14.1.1
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Matt Mangriotis <
> matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> wrote:
>
> Sam – R14.1.1 is not supported by PMP 430.
>
>
>
> The PMP 430 SM are only supported when connected to PMP 450 AP (i.e.
> Interoperability mode).  Also, make sure you’re using the latest CNUT
> (available on the support site).
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's
>
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the Autoupdate
> function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update package available.
>
> Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st? Or do I have
> to scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade them that way?
>
> Sam
>
>
>
> --
>
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

[Chuck McCown]

Probably the #1 source is a disgruntled former employee.  
#2 is a workplace injury.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:33 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

How does one get themselves on the OSHA radar?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I have had good success in hiring OSHA consultants to look me over before 
OSHA has a chance to do the same.  
  Cheap insurance.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:51 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

  I have one in word that I am pretty sure I gave to WISPA but I have never 
been able to find anything I gave them anywhere.

  On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM Peter Kranz  wrote:

Has anyone created one of these? I’ve got OSHA requesting a copy of ours. 
I’d like to “borrow” someone’s if they have one.



Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com







-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Matt Mangriotis]

Only when the PMP 430 SM is registered to a PMP 450 AP (i.e. Interoperability 
Mode) will this work…

R14.1.1 technically is not supported by PMP 430 in standalone mode.  However, 
because we know there are still networks that have PMP 430 SMs interoperating 
(with 450), we made this function properly.

You are correct, using a 430 AP will not push this release to any devices.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

That s the thing, I don't want to upgrade the AP to 14.1.1 just the SM's, Auto 
update in CNUT version 4.9.x doesn't like to push the file through the AP.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
>
 wrote:
It means that the 430 SM is supported when they’re talking to a 450 AP 
(Interoperability Mode only).

The PMP 430 AP will not take R14.1.1.

Matt


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Thanks Matt. So what does this mean then?
Customers running PMP 430 SMs in PMP 450 interoperability mode, please use the 
PMP 450 CNUT pkg3 file found 
here. Note the linked file 
is for 14.1.1

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
>
 wrote:
Sam – R14.1.1 is not supported by PMP 430.

The PMP 430 SM are only supported when connected to PMP 450 AP (i.e. 
Interoperability mode).  Also, make sure you’re using the latest CNUT 
(available on the support site).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Hey all,
I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the Autoupdate 
function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update package available.
Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st? Or do I have to 
scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade them that way?
Sam


--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

[Jaime Solorza]

I will look you over but results might not be what you would expect... Wink
wink
On Dec 8, 2015 11:57 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I have had good success in hiring OSHA consultants to look me over before
> OSHA has a chance to do the same.
> Cheap insurance.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..
>
> I have one in word that I am pretty sure I gave to WISPA but I have never
> been able to find anything I gave them anywhere.
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM Peter Kranz  wrote:
>
>> Has anyone created one of these? I’ve got OSHA requesting a copy of ours.
>> I’d like to “borrow” someone’s if they have one.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cord grips / liquid tight

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Awesome, thx!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 17:06
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cord grips / liquid tight

M4524GBW-SM

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Dec 7, 2015, at 7:26 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
> wrote:
I have a NEMA4 fiberglass enclosure that has 18-24 cables (CAT5/Fiber/DC) that 
need entry.

Is there a better method than using tons of Liquid Tight 
Cordgrips / Strain 
relief connectors?

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[Patrick Leary]

“. But in retrospect I see what your original statement was, and you are 
correct, it is, in fact pathetic that this conversation needs to take place. We 
are not a civil society, its pathetic we are arrogant enough to kid ourselves 
about that.”

Bingo. Thank you for your reading comprehension. Others read it and came 
claiming I called members pathetic, which is not possibly a correct 
interpretation given the simple and unambiguous sentence I wrote. Comprehension 
is a problem in this country. As I make clear to my kids, calling an action 
they may do “foolish” or “dumb,” is not even remotely the same as calling them 
foolish or dumb. I find it distressing that adults confuse the difference.

As well, maybe some read the word “pathetic,” but have no sense of its 
authentic definition, instead thinking it a personal insult, akin to calling 
another a “loser!”

pa·thet·ic
pəˈTHedik/
adjective
adjective: pathetic
1.1.
arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness.
"she looked so pathetic that I bent down to comfort her"
synonyms:

pitiful,
 
pitiable,
 
piteous,
 
moving,
 
touching,
 
poignant,
 
plaintive,
 
distressing,
 upsetting, 
heartbreaking,
 
heart-rending,
 
harrowing,
 
wretched,
 
forlorn
"a pathetic groan"


Cheers,


-  Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

Why am I getting left out?

I have no doubt the majority of people would not perform as heroically as they 
anticipate they would. But better to fail than be a victim. With that, however 
should come a great deal of responsibility, first and foremost, you are 
responsible for your own actions. If you try to be a hero, and you shoot a 
bystander, be prepared for the consequence. If you try to be a hero, and you 
are shot by a responding professional, that is also a consequence of being a 
shooter in an active shooter situation.

I would venture a guess there are alot of shootings that happen where a CCW 
holder was present that you dont hear about because when push came to shove, 
they stayed holstered and fled, as it should be. But once again, better to have 
the option to defend and choose not to use it than to have no option aside from 
being a victim.

The US has too many vague interpretations of freedom, that is why it is so 
dangerous here. You could arm every person with a howitzer and a sword, it 
would be no more dangerous. Our criminals are entitled punks. They know that 
our prison systems are not gulags or work camps, The expenditures from our 
correctional systems on entertainment alone is astounding, and we no longer 
offer reform or re-education, our sentencing guidelines are such that it is a 
better gamble to shoot first than leave witnesses.

We have an abused welfare system that has become a generational lifestyle and 
are not allowed to empower those who live in it for fear of repercussions of 
some form of discrimination. We have systems in place to specifically train 
those most at risk for criminality to hate those who succeed as being thieves 
of entitlements. Those at risk are further chained by inherent beliefs within 
their communities that trying to change for the better is selling out from what 
is real.

Then, we have the lunatics, whos actions are treated as common, when in reality 
they are so few and far between they barely even account for any measurable 
component of the criminality in this country. Lunatics, you truly can do little 
for, whether it be lunacy in ones religion or 

[AFMUG] how to setup airgateway correctly

[Tim Reichhart]

How can I setup the airgateway correctly because I am having problems 
connecting my powerbeam while connected to airgateway.

Tim

[AFMUG] OT - which religion should I join (was which gun to by)...

[Chuck McCown]

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

The conversation was me asking for what type of guns people preferred for CCW J 
- the title reads “which to buy and why”

 

Seemed like a reasonable thing to ask of people I respect

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

 

“. But in retrospect I see what your original statement was, and you are 
correct, it is, in fact pathetic that this conversation needs to take place. We 
are not a civil society, its pathetic we are arrogant enough to kid ourselves 
about that.”

 

Bingo. Thank you for your reading comprehension. Others read it and came 
claiming I called members pathetic, which is not possibly a correct 
interpretation given the simple and unambiguous sentence I wrote. Comprehension 
is a problem in this country. As I make clear to my kids, calling an action 
they may do “foolish” or “dumb,” is not even remotely the same as calling them 
foolish or dumb. I find it distressing that adults confuse the difference. 

 

As well, maybe some read the word “pathetic,” but have no sense of its 
authentic definition, instead thinking it a personal insult, akin to calling 
another a “loser!”

 

pa·thet·ic

pəˈTHedik/

adjective

adjective: pathetic

1.1. 

arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness.

"she looked so pathetic that I bent down to comfort her"

  synonyms:
 pitiful, pitiable, piteous, moving, touching, poignant, plaintive, 
distressing, upsetting, heartbreaking, heart-rending, harrowing, wretched, 
forlorn 

  "a pathetic groan"
 

 

Cheers,

 

-  Patrick

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

 

Why am I getting left out?

 

I have no doubt the majority of people would not perform as heroically as they 
anticipate they would. But better to fail than be a victim. With that, however 
should come a great deal of responsibility, first and foremost, you are 
responsible for your own actions. If you try to be a hero, and you shoot a 
bystander, be prepared for the consequence. If you try to be a hero, and you 
are shot by a responding professional, that is also a consequence of being a 
shooter in an active shooter situation. 

 

I would venture a guess there are alot of shootings that happen where a CCW 
holder was present that you dont hear about because when push came to shove, 
they stayed holstered and fled, as it should be. But once again, better to have 
the option to defend and choose not to use it than to have no option aside from 
being a victim.

 

The US has too many vague interpretations of freedom, that is why it is so 
dangerous here. You could arm every person with a howitzer and a sword, it 
would be no more dangerous. Our criminals are entitled punks. They know that 
our prison systems are not gulags or work camps, The expenditures from our 
correctional systems on entertainment alone is astounding, and we no longer 
offer reform or re-education, our sentencing guidelines are such that it is a 
better gamble to shoot first than leave witnesses.

 

We have an abused welfare system that has become a generational lifestyle and 
are not allowed to empower those who live in it for fear of repercussions of 
some form of discrimination. We have systems in place to specifically train 
those most at risk for criminality to hate those who succeed as being thieves 
of entitlements. Those at risk are further chained by inherent beliefs within 
their communities that trying to change for the better is selling out from what 
is real.

 

Then, we have the lunatics, whos actions are treated as common, when in reality 
they are so few and far between they barely even account for any measurable 
component of the criminality in this country. Lunatics, you truly can do little 
for, whether it be lunacy in ones religion or political beliefs, or just 
fucking nuts, they will do what they do when they do it without any warning 
that doesnt require hindsight.  Mass shootings should be the least of anyone's 
concern. We have yet to have a mass shooting in the country that beats the 
average week in our major cities.

 

Whether something is listed as terrorism, mental illness, or a hate crime is 
what our country focuses on, not what the underlying issue is that brings it 
out, criminality.

 

Between the overbearing reach of our federal, state and local government into 
our personal lives and the lack of any actual meaningful approach to limit, 
hinder, or avoid criminality in the United States, there really is no limit to 
the need for bigger, better, faster, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - which religion should I join (was which gun to by)...

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

jebus and only jebus

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> 
>
> *From:* Paul McCall 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
> and why
>
>
> The conversation was me asking for what type of guns people preferred for
> CCW J - the title reads “which to buy and why”
>
>
>
> Seemed like a reasonable thing to ask of people I respect
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Leary
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
> and why
>
>
>
> “. But in retrospect I see what your original statement was, and you are
> correct, it is, in fact pathetic that this conversation needs to take
> place. We are not a civil society, its pathetic we are arrogant enough to
> kid ourselves about that.”
>
>
>
> Bingo. Thank you for your reading comprehension. Others read it and came
> claiming I called members pathetic, which is not possibly a correct
> interpretation given the simple and unambiguous sentence I wrote.
> Comprehension is a problem in this country. As I make clear to my kids,
> calling an action they may do “foolish” or “dumb,” is not even remotely the
> same as calling them foolish or dumb. I find it distressing that adults
> confuse the difference.
>
>
>
> As well, maybe some read the word “pathetic,” but have no sense of its
> authentic definition, instead thinking it a personal insult, akin to
> calling another a “loser!”
>
>
>
> pa·thet·ic
>
> pəˈTHedik/
>
> *adjective*
>
> adjective: *pathetic*
>
> 1.*1*.
>
> arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness.
>
> "she looked so pathetic that I bent down to comfort her"
>
> synonyms:
>
> pitiful
> ,
> pitiable
> ,
> piteous
> ,
> moving
> ,
> touching
> ,
> poignant
> ,
> plaintive
> ,
> distressing
> ,
> upsetting, heartbreaking
> ,
> heart-rending
> ,
> harrowing
> ,
> wretched
> ,
> forlorn
> 
>
> "a pathetic groan"
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> -  Patrick
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
> and why
>
>
>
> Why am I getting left out?
>
>
>
> I have no doubt the majority of people would not perform as heroically as
> they anticipate they would. But better to fail than be a victim. With that,
> however should come a great deal of responsibility, first and foremost, you
> are responsible for your own actions. If you try to be a hero, and you
> shoot a bystander, be prepared for the consequence. If you try to be a
> hero, and you are shot by a responding professional, that is also a
> consequence of being a shooter in an active shooter situation.
>
>
>
> I would venture a guess there are alot of shootings that happen where a
> CCW holder was present that you dont hear about because when push came to
> shove, they stayed holstered and fled, as it should be. But once again,
> better to have the option to defend and choose not to use it than to have
> no option aside from being a victim.
>
>
>
> The US has too many vague interpretations of freedom, that is why it is so
> dangerous here. You could arm every person with a howitzer and a sword, it
> would be no more dangerous. Our criminals are entitled punks. They know
> that our prison systems are not gulags or work camps, The expenditures from
> our correctional systems on entertainment 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - which religion should I join (was which gun to by)...

[Sean Heskett]

Oh boy, now you are really going to agitate the great spaghetti monster in
the sky :-/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster

-Sean


On Tuesday, December 8, 2015, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> 
>
> *From:* Paul McCall 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
> and why
>
>
> The conversation was me asking for what type of guns people preferred for
> CCW J - the title reads “which to buy and why”
>
>
>
> Seemed like a reasonable thing to ask of people I respect
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Patrick
> Leary
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
> and why
>
>
>
> “. But in retrospect I see what your original statement was, and you are
> correct, it is, in fact pathetic that this conversation needs to take
> place. We are not a civil society, its pathetic we are arrogant enough to
> kid ourselves about that.”
>
>
>
> Bingo. Thank you for your reading comprehension. Others read it and came
> claiming I called members pathetic, which is not possibly a correct
> interpretation given the simple and unambiguous sentence I wrote.
> Comprehension is a problem in this country. As I make clear to my kids,
> calling an action they may do “foolish” or “dumb,” is not even remotely the
> same as calling them foolish or dumb. I find it distressing that adults
> confuse the difference.
>
>
>
> As well, maybe some read the word “pathetic,” but have no sense of its
> authentic definition, instead thinking it a personal insult, akin to
> calling another a “loser!”
>
>
>
> pa·thet·ic
>
> pəˈTHedik/
>
> *adjective*
>
> adjective: *pathetic*
>
> 1.*1*.
>
> arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness.
>
> "she looked so pathetic that I bent down to comfort her"
>
> synonyms:
>
> pitiful
> ,
> pitiable
> ,
> piteous
> ,
> moving
> ,
> touching
> ,
> poignant
> ,
> plaintive
> ,
> distressing
> ,
> upsetting, heartbreaking
> ,
> heart-rending
> ,
> harrowing
> ,
> wretched
> ,
> forlorn
> 
>
> "a pathetic groan"
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> -  Patrick
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *That
> One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
> and why
>
>
>
> Why am I getting left out?
>
>
>
> I have no doubt the majority of people would not perform as heroically as
> they anticipate they would. But better to fail than be a victim. With that,
> however should come a great deal of responsibility, first and foremost, you
> are responsible for your own actions. If you try to be a hero, and you
> shoot a bystander, be prepared for the consequence. If you try to be a
> hero, and you are shot by a responding professional, that is also a
> consequence of being a shooter in an active shooter situation.
>
>
>
> I would venture a guess there are alot of shootings that happen where a
> CCW holder was present that you dont hear about because when push came to
> shove, they stayed holstered and fled, as it should be. But once again,
> better to have the option to defend and choose not to use it than to have
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Vlad Sedov]

Speaking of interop mode.. Are there any plans to add 5ms frame option 
to 430 SM's attached to a 450 AP?


Thanks,

Vlad

On 12/8/2015 1:42 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:


Only when the PMP 430 SM is registered to a PMP 450 AP (i.e. 
Interoperability Mode) will this work…


R14.1.1 technically is not supported by PMP 430 in standalone mode. 
However, because we know there are still networks that have PMP 430 
SMs interoperating (with 450), we made this function properly.


You are correct, using a 430 AP will not push this release to any devices.

Matt

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

That s the thing, I don't want to upgrade the AP to 14.1.1 just the 
SM's, Auto update in CNUT version 4.9.x doesn't like to push the file 
through the AP.


On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
> wrote:


It means that the 430 SM is supported when they’re talking to a
450 AP (Interoperability Mode only).

The PMP 430 AP will not take R14.1.1.

Matt

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Thanks Matt. So what does this mean then?


  Customers running PMP 430 SMs in PMP 450 interoperability
  mode, please use the PMP 450 CNUT pkg3 file found here
  . Note
  the linked file is for 14.1.1

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Matt Mangriotis
> wrote:

Sam – R14.1.1 is not supported by PMP 430.

The PMP 430 SM are only supported when connected to PMP 450 AP
(i.e. Interoperability mode).  Also, make sure you’re using
the latest CNUT (available on the support site).

Matt

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Hey all,

I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the
Autoupdate function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update
package available.

Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st?
Or do I have to scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade
them that way?

Sam



-- 

-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 




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-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 




--

--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

[Chuck McCown]

You don’t want to hire the OSHA people, you want to hire independent non OSHA 
people for this.
OSHA does have a friendly free walk through thing.  But if they gig you you 
have to fix it.  However there supposedly is no fine or fee if you get right on 
it.  I don’t have the courage for that one.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:33 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

I will look you over but results might not be what you would expect... Wink wink

On Dec 8, 2015 11:57 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  I have had good success in hiring OSHA consultants to look me over before 
OSHA has a chance to do the same.  
  Cheap insurance.  

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:51 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

  I have one in word that I am pretty sure I gave to WISPA but I have never 
been able to find anything I gave them anywhere.

  On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM Peter Kranz  wrote:

Has anyone created one of these? I’ve got OSHA requesting a copy of ours. 
I’d like to “borrow” someone’s if they have one.



Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Matt Mangriotis]

If the units are not in “Interop Mode”, you should use R13.4.1 Beta software…. 
It has all the goodness of 14.1.1.

This would definitely connect and work with the 450i AP.  If the PMP 430 SM is 
running 13.4, it will not register to the 450i (running 14.1.1), unless “Legacy 
mode” is checked on.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Last question then.
Is it worth it to upgrade the SM's to 14.1.1 or just leave them at 13.4 and 
call it good? I intend to swap the 430 AP's with 450's and migrate the 430 SM's 
off the AP sooner than later. (I read your previous post about upgrading the 
SM's though a 450 AP.) Also, I am adding a 450i AP next week and would like the 
SM's to have a secondary or even tertiary color code in case the 450 AP fails. 
Would they (430 SM's) work in 13.4 to the 450i?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
>
 wrote:
Only when the PMP 430 SM is registered to a PMP 450 AP (i.e. Interoperability 
Mode) will this work…

R14.1.1 technically is not supported by PMP 430 in standalone mode.  However, 
because we know there are still networks that have PMP 430 SMs interoperating 
(with 450), we made this function properly.

You are correct, using a 430 AP will not push this release to any devices.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

That s the thing, I don't want to upgrade the AP to 14.1.1 just the SM's, Auto 
update in CNUT version 4.9.x doesn't like to push the file through the AP.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
>
 wrote:
It means that the 430 SM is supported when they’re talking to a 450 AP 
(Interoperability Mode only).

The PMP 430 AP will not take R14.1.1.

Matt


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Thanks Matt. So what does this mean then?
Customers running PMP 430 SMs in PMP 450 interoperability mode, please use the 
PMP 450 CNUT pkg3 file found 
here. Note the linked file 
is for 14.1.1

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
>
 wrote:
Sam – R14.1.1 is not supported by PMP 430.

The PMP 430 SM are only supported when connected to PMP 450 AP (i.e. 
Interoperability mode).  Also, make sure you’re using the latest CNUT 
(available on the support site).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Hey all,
I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the Autoupdate 
function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update package available.
Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st? Or do I have to 
scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade them that way?
Sam


--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

[Matt Mangriotis]

Sorry Vlad, no, this won’t happen.  The interoperability mode was intended as a 
migratory path to move the network to PMP 450 (i.e. buy some time).  The PMP 
430 FPGA is simply too full to include additional code to support 5ms frames.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Vlad Sedov
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Speaking of interop mode.. Are there any plans to add 5ms frame option to 430 
SM's attached to a 450 AP?

Thanks,

Vlad

On 12/8/2015 1:42 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
Only when the PMP 430 SM is registered to a PMP 450 AP (i.e. Interoperability 
Mode) will this work…

R14.1.1 technically is not supported by PMP 430 in standalone mode.  However, 
because we know there are still networks that have PMP 430 SMs interoperating 
(with 450), we made this function properly.

You are correct, using a 430 AP will not push this release to any devices.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

That s the thing, I don't want to upgrade the AP to 14.1.1 just the SM's, Auto 
update in CNUT version 4.9.x doesn't like to push the file through the AP.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Matt Mangriotis 
>
 wrote:
It means that the 430 SM is supported when they’re talking to a 450 AP 
(Interoperability Mode only).

The PMP 430 AP will not take R14.1.1.

Matt


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Thanks Matt. So what does this mean then?
Customers running PMP 430 SMs in PMP 450 interoperability mode, please use the 
PMP 450 CNUT pkg3 file found 
here. Note the linked file 
is for 14.1.1

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:57 AM, Matt Mangriotis 
>
 wrote:
Sam – R14.1.1 is not supported by PMP 430.

The PMP 430 SM are only supported when connected to PMP 450 AP (i.e. 
Interoperability mode).  Also, make sure you’re using the latest CNUT 
(available on the support site).

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Enabling Auto Update with 14.1.1 on 430 SM's

Hey all,
I want to update my 430 SM's from a 430 AP to 14.1.1 via the Autoupdate 
function in CNUT. However, I get an error No update package available.
Is there a work around without updating the AP to 14.1.1 1st? Or do I have to 
scan for all the SM's manually and upgrade them that way?
Sam


--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com



--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

[Paul McCall]

The conversation was me asking for what type of guns people preferred for CCW ☺ 
- the title reads “which to buy and why”

Seemed like a reasonable thing to ask of people I respect

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

“. But in retrospect I see what your original statement was, and you are 
correct, it is, in fact pathetic that this conversation needs to take place. We 
are not a civil society, its pathetic we are arrogant enough to kid ourselves 
about that.”

Bingo. Thank you for your reading comprehension. Others read it and came 
claiming I called members pathetic, which is not possibly a correct 
interpretation given the simple and unambiguous sentence I wrote. Comprehension 
is a problem in this country. As I make clear to my kids, calling an action 
they may do “foolish” or “dumb,” is not even remotely the same as calling them 
foolish or dumb. I find it distressing that adults confuse the difference.

As well, maybe some read the word “pathetic,” but have no sense of its 
authentic definition, instead thinking it a personal insult, akin to calling 
another a “loser!”

pa·thet·ic
pəˈTHedik/
adjective
adjective: pathetic
1.1.
arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness.
"she looked so pathetic that I bent down to comfort her"
synonyms:

pitiful,
 
pitiable,
 
piteous,
 
moving,
 
touching,
 
poignant,
 
plaintive,
 
distressing,
 upsetting, 
heartbreaking,
 
heart-rending,
 
harrowing,
 
wretched,
 
forlorn
"a pathetic groan"


Cheers,


-  Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 2:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy and why

Why am I getting left out?

I have no doubt the majority of people would not perform as heroically as they 
anticipate they would. But better to fail than be a victim. With that, however 
should come a great deal of responsibility, first and foremost, you are 
responsible for your own actions. If you try to be a hero, and you shoot a 
bystander, be prepared for the consequence. If you try to be a hero, and you 
are shot by a responding professional, that is also a consequence of being a 
shooter in an active shooter situation.

I would venture a guess there are alot of shootings that happen where a CCW 
holder was present that you dont hear about because when push came to shove, 
they stayed holstered and fled, as it should be. But once again, better to have 
the option to defend and choose not to use it than to have no option aside from 
being a victim.

The US has too many vague interpretations of freedom, that is why it is so 
dangerous here. You could arm every person with a howitzer and a sword, it 
would be no more dangerous. Our criminals are entitled punks. They know that 
our prison systems are not gulags or work camps, The expenditures from our 
correctional systems on entertainment alone is astounding, and we no longer 
offer reform or re-education, our sentencing guidelines are such that it is a 
better gamble to shoot first than leave witnesses.

We have an abused welfare system that has become a generational lifestyle and 
are not allowed to empower those who live in it for fear of repercussions of 
some form of discrimination. We have systems in place to specifically train 
those most at risk for criminality to hate those who succeed as being thieves 
of entitlements. Those at risk are further chained 

[AFMUG] Din rail terminal blocks

[Scott Vander Dussen]

I’m attempting an enclosure that “looks clean” but don’t have much experience 
with this stuff.  I want to take in a 2 conductor DC power lead and split it 
multiple ways inside.  The incoming DC lead is 12AWG and the split off leads 
range from 16-20AWG.  Is a din rail terminal block what I want to use for this, 
or is there something better?

If I use terminal 
blocks
 do I then use 
jumpers
 to bond two or more together?  Is it hokey to jump multiple terminal blocks 
together with those two terminal jumpers?  Do all the wires go in one side and 
jumpers in the back?

Sorry for all the n00bness.

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

[George Skorup]

No definitely don't use the 320/430 injector. You don't need sync over 
power either. Just use a PacketFlux 4 or 8 port GigE PoE injector 
module. Or Chuck's GigE-APC-POE cards.


On 12/8/2015 5:47 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:


Mimosa B11 is 802.11at compliant, power consumption up to 48vdc 30 
watts.  I need a din rail solution to power up 2 B11s; any reason a 
SyncInjector for the Canopy 320 and 430 product lines 
 
wouldn't work just to inject power onto the eth line?  Data is through 
fiber.

[AFMUG] PMP320

[Justin Aldridge]

Anyone interested in any PMP320 Equipment.
1 3630apc
18 3630sm

-- 
Justin Aldridge 
Total Highspeed
417-300-3534

Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

[Chuck McCown]

Perhaps that should be the international symbol for “man rated”...

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

I'm picturing a nice pair of breasts with said label. which could also 
double (pun intended :) as a distraction for the OSHA guy.


On 12/8/2015 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Use your label maker to print a “man rated” sticker prior to any climbing.

  From: Peter Kranz 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

  We have a job site across the street from the main OSHA headquarters for 
California apparently.

   

  The tower on the site passes all the normal visual health checks, and has 
climbing pegs installed. The climber was using appropriate PPE. However, since 
the tower did not have a plaque affixed to it indicating it was man-rated, they 
argue that we did not know if the tower was rated for climbing. I’ve never 
heard this requirement, I’ve always gone with if it passes the health check, 
and has a ladder or pegs installed, it was engineered to allow climbing at the 
time of installation.

   

  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
  Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:33 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

   

  How does one get themselves on the OSHA radar?

   

  On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I have had good success in hiring OSHA consultants to look me over before 
OSHA has a chance to do the same.  

Cheap insurance.  

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:51 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

 

I have one in word that I am pretty sure I gave to WISPA but I have never 
been able to find anything I gave them anywhere.

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM Peter Kranz  wrote:

  Has anyone created one of these? I’ve got OSHA requesting a copy of ours. 
I’d like to “borrow” someone’s if they have one.

   

  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

   





   

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

[Lewis Bergman]

And this is what is wrong with giving government power and authority. They
never know how to limit it to reasonable levels.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015, 5:24 PM Peter Kranz  wrote:

> We have a job site across the street from the main OSHA headquarters for
> California apparently.
>
>
>
> The tower on the site passes all the normal visual health checks, and has
> climbing pegs installed. The climber was using appropriate PPE. However,
> since the tower did not have a plaque affixed to it indicating it was
> man-rated, they argue that we did not know if the tower was rated for
> climbing. I’ve never heard this requirement, I’ve always gone with if it
> passes the health check, and has a ladder or pegs installed, it was
> engineered to allow climbing at the time of installation.
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:33 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..
>
>
>
> How does one get themselves on the OSHA radar?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I have had good success in hiring OSHA consultants to look me over before
> OSHA has a chance to do the same.
>
> Cheap insurance.
>
>
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:51 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..
>
>
>
> I have one in word that I am pretty sure I gave to WISPA but I have never
> been able to find anything I gave them anywhere.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM Peter Kranz  wrote:
>
> Has anyone created one of these? I’ve got OSHA requesting a copy of ours.
> I’d like to “borrow” someone’s if they have one.
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir

[Ken Hohhof]

You did check xmt power, right?  Accounting for any adaptive modulation/power.

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir

multipath or on a side lobe. did you peak the signals in all 4 directions?



On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Dan Petermann  wrote:

  We are installing a pair of ExtremeAir radios and are having an odd issue.

  At one end the rx  is -41V / -31H.

  The far end the rx is -35V / -32H.

  Any idea what could cause a 10dB difference in polarizations?




-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

My preference is just good old fashioned SO cord of an appropriate gauge.
Not such a big fan of SJO or other cables, as the SO cord has good, solid
jacket which will last almost forever.

-forrest



On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
wrote:

> Recommendations for 2/4 conductor cable for DC power up tower?  Is it
> totally ghetto to use “Landscaping
> ”
> cable?
>
>
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir

[George Skorup]

Not sure what antennas you have, but all of our Radiowaves HP-EX dishes 
had a piece of green mylar tape over the waveguide interface. It's just 
a dust/moisture cover for shipping. Most of the Exalt install guides say 
to take the tape off of the antenna if installed, and leave the tape on 
the radio if installed.


On 12/8/2015 4:56 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:

They had taped over the feed horn and forgot to take the tape off.

On Dec 8, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Ken Hohhof > wrote:


You did check xmt power, right?  Accounting for any adaptive 
modulation/power.

*From:* Sam Lambie 
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir
multipath or on a side lobe. did you peak the signals in all 4 
directions?


On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Dan Petermann > wrote:


We are installing a pair of ExtremeAir radios and are having an
odd issue.

At one end the rx  is -41V / -31H.

The far end the rx is -35V / -32H.

Any idea what could cause a 10dB difference in polarizations?




--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

[Peter Kranz]

We have a job site across the street from the main OSHA headquarters for 
California apparently.

 

The tower on the site passes all the normal visual health checks, and has 
climbing pegs installed. The climber was using appropriate PPE. However, since 
the tower did not have a plaque affixed to it indicating it was man-rated, they 
argue that we did not know if the tower was rated for climbing. I’ve never 
heard this requirement, I’ve always gone with if it passes the health check, 
and has a ladder or pegs installed, it was engineered to allow climbing at the 
time of installation.

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

 

How does one get themselves on the OSHA radar?

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

I have had good success in hiring OSHA consultants to look me over before OSHA 
has a chance to do the same.  

Cheap insurance.  

 

From: Lewis Bergman   

Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:51 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

 

I have one in word that I am pretty sure I gave to WISPA but I have never been 
able to find anything I gave them anywhere.

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM Peter Kranz  > wrote:

Has anyone created one of these? I’ve got OSHA requesting a copy of ours. I’d 
like to “borrow” someone’s if they have one.

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100  
Mobile: 510-207-  
pkr...@unwiredltd.com  

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

[Scott Vander Dussen]

LOL, no!  A combined 2000’ for multiple sites.  (:

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 15:47
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

The tower is only 1950', he's got to get it to the building 50' over.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:44 PM, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
Not a 2000ft run right? that would be interesting.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
> wrote:
~2000’

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 14:51
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

There are some nice cables made for doing lights on trailers.  Usually 16 or 18 
gauge.  How much do you need?

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] DC up tower


Recommendations for 2/4 conductor cable for DC power up tower?  Is it totally 
ghetto to use 
“Landscaping”
 cable?

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

[Scott Vander Dussen]

I didn’t even notice the PF SITEMONITOR 4 CHANNEL GIGABIT POE INJECTOR & 
CONTROLLER offers a din rail mounting solution- cool, thx.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 15:53
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

No definitely don't use the 320/430 injector. You don't need sync over power 
either. Just use a PacketFlux 4 or 8 port GigE PoE injector module. Or Chuck's 
GigE-APC-POE cards.
On 12/8/2015 5:47 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:

Mimosa B11 is 802.11at compliant, power consumption up to 48vdc 30 watts.  I 
need a din rail solution to power up 2 B11s; any reason a SyncInjector for the 
Canopy 320 and 430 product 
lines 
wouldn't work just to inject power onto the eth line?  Data is through fiber.

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Why is everything cool that Netonix makes always out of stock!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 15:56
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

maybe the apc-din and gige-poe-apc, or maybe a ws-6-mini would be better, u can 
always use as midspan

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:53 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
No definitely don't use the 320/430 injector. You don't need sync over power 
either. Just use a PacketFlux 4 or 8 port GigE PoE injector module. Or Chuck's 
GigE-APC-POE cards.
On 12/8/2015 5:47 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:

Mimosa B11 is 802.11at compliant, power consumption up to 48vdc 30 watts.  I 
need a din rail solution to power up 2 B11s; any reason a SyncInjector for the 
Canopy 320 and 430 product 
lines 
wouldn't work just to inject power onto the eth line?  Data is through fiber.

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

[Scott Vander Dussen]

OK got it, thx again for the input.  Put a few on order, should arrive before 
Christmas!  (:

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 16:32
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

the 250 will take 9-60 in and give you solid 24v and 48v out, the ws-12-dc will 
do solid 24v out and your input voltage at the tower top as your 48v poe out 
even if it's 30v or whatever makes it to the top.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:30 PM, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
it will pass the input out for the 48v poe devices (so your b11 will get 
whatever your input voltage is) and 24v devices will be down converted from 
your input voltage to 24v.



On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
> wrote:
LOL, thx- I’ll post some pix when it’s done.  I think the WS-12 would suffice 
despite voltage drop, from website:

“This model is for people who have conditioned 48V DC sites, it expects 48V +/- 
input but can safely operate on 37V to 53V input as it will condition 24V out 
from this input range but will pass out the input voltage as the 48V POE 
option.”

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 16:14
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

power the sync injector off of one of the POE ports, feed the WS-12-250 fiber 
and you can connect everything to it, even loop fiber back out for the b11 if 
you must :) wouldn't even need any dc distribution either just DC straight into 
the netonix, ok I'll shut up now

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:12 PM, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
streak has the ws-6 in stock

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:12 PM, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
actually, just use a ws-12-250-dc and u get your switch and poe in the same 
box, just plug your syncinjector and done. alternatively you could use the 
ws-12-dc but the 250 will account for the volt drop on the aerial run.



On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
> wrote:
Why is everything cool that Netonix makes always out of stock!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 15:56
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

maybe the apc-din and gige-poe-apc, or maybe a ws-6-mini would be better, u can 
always use as midspan

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:53 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
No definitely don't use the 320/430 injector. You don't need sync over power 
either. Just use a PacketFlux 4 or 8 port GigE PoE injector module. Or Chuck's 
GigE-APC-POE cards.
On 12/8/2015 5:47 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:

Mimosa B11 is 802.11at compliant, power consumption up to 48vdc 30 watts.  I 
need a din rail solution to power up 2 B11s; any reason a SyncInjector for the 
Canopy 320 and 430 product 
lines 
wouldn't work just to inject power onto the eth line?  Data is through fiber.

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir

[Dan Petermann]

They had taped over the feed horn and forgot to take the tape off. 


On Dec 8, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> You did check xmt power, right?  Accounting for any adaptive modulation/power.
>  
> From: Sam Lambie
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:43 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir
>  
> multipath or on a side lobe. did you peak the signals in all 4 directions?
> 
>  
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Dan Petermann  wrote:
> We are installing a pair of ExtremeAir radios and are having an odd issue.
> 
> At one end the rx  is -41V / -31H.
> 
> The far end the rx is -35V / -32H.
> 
> Any idea what could cause a 10dB difference in polarizations?
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

[TJ Trout]

Not a 2000ft run right? that would be interesting.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
wrote:

> ~2000’
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 14:51
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower
>
>
>
> There are some nice cables made for doing lights on trailers.  Usually 16
> or 18 gauge.  How much do you need?
>
>
>
> *From:* Scott Vander Dussen 
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:44 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] DC up tower
>
>
>
> Recommendations for 2/4 conductor cable for DC power up tower?  Is it
> totally ghetto to use “Landscaping
> ”
> cable?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

[TJ Trout]

maybe the apc-din and gige-poe-apc, or maybe a ws-6-mini would be better, u
can always use as midspan

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:53 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> No definitely don't use the 320/430 injector. You don't need sync over
> power either. Just use a PacketFlux 4 or 8 port GigE PoE injector module.
> Or Chuck's GigE-APC-POE cards.
>
> On 12/8/2015 5:47 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>
> Mimosa B11 is 802.11at compliant, power consumption up to 48vdc 30 watts.
> I need a din rail solution to power up 2 B11s; any reason a SyncInjector
> for the Canopy 320 and 430 product lines
> 
> wouldn't work just to inject power onto the eth line?  Data is through
> fiber.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

[Chris Fabien]

We have used shielded "tray cable" for power up towers. SOOW Would work
fine if you didn't want shielded.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
wrote:

> Recommendations for 2/4 conductor cable for DC power up tower?  Is it
> totally ghetto to use “Landscaping
> ”
> cable?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Site Survey question

[Josh Luthman]

Seriously doubt it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 8, 2015 9:01 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Do the UBNT Rockets M5 or AC radios pick up the Mimosa B5 Lite radios on
> site survey tool?  Thanks
>

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir

[Sam Lambie]

multipath or on a side lobe. did you peak the signals in all 4 directions?


On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Dan Petermann  wrote:

> We are installing a pair of ExtremeAir radios and are having an odd issue.
>
> At one end the rx  is -41V / -31H.
>
> The far end the rx is -35V / -32H.
>
> Any idea what could cause a 10dB difference in polarizations?
>



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

[Chuck McCown]

There are some nice cables made for doing lights on trailers.  Usually 16 or 18 
gauge.  How much do you need?

From: Scott Vander Dussen 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] DC up tower

Recommendations for 2/4 conductor cable for DC power up tower?  Is it totally 
ghetto to use “Landscaping” cable?

 

Re: [AFMUG] Din rail terminal blocks

[Jaime Solorza]

The stops?  Idec or Phoenix Contact might be Altronix...
On Dec 8, 2015 2:30 PM, "Joe Novak"  wrote:

> What is the divider called Jaime? Got a model #?
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Like these?
>> On Dec 8, 2015 2:10 PM, "Scott Vander Dussen" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’m attempting an enclosure that “looks clean” but don’t have much
>>> experience with this stuff.  I want to take in a 2 conductor DC power lead
>>> and split it multiple ways inside.  The incoming DC lead is 12AWG and the
>>> split off leads range from 16-20AWG.  Is a din rail terminal block what I
>>> want to use for this, or is there something better?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I use terminal blocks
>>> 
>>> do I then use jumpers
>>> 
>>> to bond two or more together?  Is it hokey to jump multiple terminal blocks
>>> together with those two terminal jumpers?  Do all the wires go in one side
>>> and jumpers in the back?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry for all the n00bness.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - which religion should I join (was which gun toby)...

[Jeremy]

FSM +1

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 2:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeezus is an abomination. Cheesewiz, now there is a worthy saviour
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Or Yeezus?
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 2:07 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - which religion should I join (was which gun
>> toby)...
>>
>> jebus and only jebus
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> *From:* Paul McCall 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 1:59 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>>> and why
>>>
>>>
>>> The conversation was me asking for what type of guns people preferred
>>> for CCW J - the title reads “which to buy and why”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seemed like a reasonable thing to ask of people I respect
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Leary
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:01 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>>> and why
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “. But in retrospect I see what your original statement was, and you
>>> are correct, it is, in fact pathetic that this conversation needs to take
>>> place. We are not a civil society, its pathetic we are arrogant enough to
>>> kid ourselves about that.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bingo. Thank you for your reading comprehension. Others read it and came
>>> claiming I called members pathetic, which is not possibly a correct
>>> interpretation given the simple and unambiguous sentence I wrote.
>>> Comprehension is a problem in this country. As I make clear to my kids,
>>> calling an action they may do “foolish” or “dumb,” is not even remotely the
>>> same as calling them foolish or dumb. I find it distressing that adults
>>> confuse the difference.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As well, maybe some read the word “pathetic,” but have no sense of its
>>> authentic definition, instead thinking it a personal insult, akin to
>>> calling another a “loser!”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> pa·thet·ic
>>>
>>> pəˈTHedik/
>>>
>>> *adjective*
>>>
>>> adjective: *pathetic*
>>>
>>> 1.*1*.
>>>
>>> arousing pity, especially through vulnerability or sadness.
>>>
>>> "she looked so pathetic that I bent down to comfort her"
>>>
>>> synonyms:
>>>
>>> pitiful
>>> ,
>>> pitiable
>>> ,
>>> piteous
>>> ,
>>> moving
>>> ,
>>> touching
>>> ,
>>> poignant
>>> ,
>>> plaintive
>>> ,
>>> distressing
>>> ,
>>> upsetting, heartbreaking
>>> ,
>>> heart-rending
>>> ,
>>> harrowing
>>> ,
>>> wretched
>>> ,
>>> forlorn
>>> 
>>>
>>> "a pathetic groan"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -  Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 2:23 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WAY OT: Concealed Carry handguns - which to buy
>>> and why
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why am I getting left out?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have no doubt the majority of people would not perform as heroically
>>> as they anticipate they would. But better to fail than be a victim. With
>>> that, however should come a great deal of responsibility, first and
>>> foremost, you are responsible for your own actions. If you try to be a
>>> hero, and you shoot a bystander, be prepared for the consequence. If you
>>> try to be a hero, and you are shot by a responding professional, that is
>>> also a consequence of being a shooter 

Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

[Scott Vander Dussen]

~2000’

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 14:51
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

There are some nice cables made for doing lights on trailers.  Usually 16 or 18 
gauge.  How much do you need?

From: Scott Vander Dussen
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] DC up tower


Recommendations for 2/4 conductor cable for DC power up tower?  Is it totally 
ghetto to use 
“Landscaping”
 cable?

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

[TJ Trout]

power the sync injector off of one of the POE ports, feed the WS-12-250
fiber and you can connect everything to it, even loop fiber back out for
the b11 if you must :) wouldn't even need any dc distribution either just
DC straight into the netonix, ok I'll shut up now

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:12 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> streak has the ws-6 in stock
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:12 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> actually, just use a ws-12-250-dc and u get your switch and poe in the
>> same box, just plug your syncinjector and done. alternatively you could use
>> the ws-12-dc but the 250 will account for the volt drop on the aerial run.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why is everything cool that Netonix makes always out of stock!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 15:56
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> maybe the apc-din and gige-poe-apc, or maybe a ws-6-mini would be
>>> better, u can always use as midspan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:53 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>>>
>>> No definitely don't use the 320/430 injector. You don't need sync over
>>> power either. Just use a PacketFlux 4 or 8 port GigE PoE injector module.
>>> Or Chuck's GigE-APC-POE cards.
>>>
>>> On 12/8/2015 5:47 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:
>>>
>>> Mimosa B11 is 802.11at compliant, power consumption up to 48vdc 30
>>> watts.  I need a din rail solution to power up 2 B11s; any reason a 
>>> SyncInjector
>>> for the Canopy 320 and 430 product lines
>>> 
>>> wouldn't work just to inject power onto the eth line?  Data is through
>>> fiber.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir

[Eric Kuhnke]

The last extreme air set I installed does not have a setting for tx power,
it is always +18 or +19.
On Dec 8, 2015 2:47 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> You did check xmt power, right?  Accounting for any adaptive
> modulation/power.
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:43 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir
>
> multipath or on a side lobe. did you peak the signals in all 4 directions?
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Dan Petermann  wrote:
>
>> We are installing a pair of ExtremeAir radios and are having an odd issue.
>>
>> At one end the rx  is -41V / -31H.
>>
>> The far end the rx is -35V / -32H.
>>
>> Any idea what could cause a 10dB difference in polarizations?
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

[Ken Hohhof]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Ray


From: George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 5:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

I'm picturing a nice pair of breasts with said label. which could also 
double (pun intended :) as a distraction for the OSHA guy.


On 12/8/2015 5:42 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Use your label maker to print a “man rated” sticker prior to any climbing.

  From: Peter Kranz 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

  We have a job site across the street from the main OSHA headquarters for 
California apparently.

   

  The tower on the site passes all the normal visual health checks, and has 
climbing pegs installed. The climber was using appropriate PPE. However, since 
the tower did not have a plaque affixed to it indicating it was man-rated, they 
argue that we did not know if the tower was rated for climbing. I’ve never 
heard this requirement, I’ve always gone with if it passes the health check, 
and has a ladder or pegs installed, it was engineered to allow climbing at the 
time of installation.

   

  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
  Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:33 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

   

  How does one get themselves on the OSHA radar?

   

  On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I have had good success in hiring OSHA consultants to look me over before 
OSHA has a chance to do the same.  

Cheap insurance.  

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:51 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

 

I have one in word that I am pretty sure I gave to WISPA but I have never 
been able to find anything I gave them anywhere.

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM Peter Kranz  wrote:

  Has anyone created one of these? I’ve got OSHA requesting a copy of ours. 
I’d like to “borrow” someone’s if they have one.

   

  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

   





   

  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Site Survey question

[Jaime Solorza]

Do the UBNT Rockets M5 or AC radios pick up the Mimosa B5 Lite radios on
site survey tool?  Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] looking for 3 to5 2.4 P10 or newer sms?

[Ty @ Internet Communications Inc]

I have 50+ 2.4 SMs (used) looking to dump quick for right price - all 13.4 FW 

I bet we have just as many j-arms to dump that are brand new if anyone needs 
some 

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net
 
Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

> On Dec 8, 2015, at 5:29 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
> 
> I'm sure SWG and PDM has a ton.
> 
>> On 12/8/2015 3:22 PM, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
>> Anyone want to sell me some from there old stock?� We hardly ever use 
>> these just need a few cheap ones.�
>> �
>> Craig R. Schmaderer
>> CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
>> Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
>> Direct: 402-372-1052
>> �
> 

[AFMUG] DC up tower

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Recommendations for 2/4 conductor cable for DC power up tower?  Is it totally 
ghetto to use 
“Landscaping”
 cable?

Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

[Scott Vander Dussen]

LOL, thx- I’ll post some pix when it’s done.  I think the WS-12 would suffice 
despite voltage drop, from website:

“This model is for people who have conditioned 48V DC sites, it expects 48V +/- 
input but can safely operate on 37V to 53V input as it will condition 24V out 
from this input range but will pass out the input voltage as the 48V POE 
option.”

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 16:14
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

power the sync injector off of one of the POE ports, feed the WS-12-250 fiber 
and you can connect everything to it, even loop fiber back out for the b11 if 
you must :) wouldn't even need any dc distribution either just DC straight into 
the netonix, ok I'll shut up now

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:12 PM, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
streak has the ws-6 in stock

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:12 PM, TJ Trout 
> wrote:
actually, just use a ws-12-250-dc and u get your switch and poe in the same 
box, just plug your syncinjector and done. alternatively you could use the 
ws-12-dc but the 250 will account for the volt drop on the aerial run.



On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Scott Vander Dussen 
> wrote:
Why is everything cool that Netonix makes always out of stock!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 15:56
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

maybe the apc-din and gige-poe-apc, or maybe a ws-6-mini would be better, u can 
always use as midspan

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:53 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
No definitely don't use the 320/430 injector. You don't need sync over power 
either. Just use a PacketFlux 4 or 8 port GigE PoE injector module. Or Chuck's 
GigE-APC-POE cards.
On 12/8/2015 5:47 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:

Mimosa B11 is 802.11at compliant, power consumption up to 48vdc 30 watts.  I 
need a din rail solution to power up 2 B11s; any reason a SyncInjector for the 
Canopy 320 and 430 product 
lines 
wouldn't work just to inject power onto the eth line?  Data is through fiber.

Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

[Adam Moffett]

*shrug*

I've been using outdoor speaker wire.  It has a tough outer jacket.

On 12/8/2015 6:49 PM, Scott Vander Dussen wrote:


LOL, no!  A combined 2000’ for multiple sites.  (:

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 15:47
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

The tower is only 1950', he's got to get it to the building 50' over.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:44 PM, TJ Trout > wrote:


Not a 2000ft run right? that would be interesting.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Scott Vander Dussen
> wrote:

~2000’

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2015 14:51
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

There are some nice cables made for doing lights on trailers. 
Usually 16 or 18 gauge.  How much do you need?


*From:*Scott Vander Dussen 

*Sent:*Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:44 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*[AFMUG] DC up tower

Recommendations for 2/4 conductor cable for DC power up
tower?  Is it totally ghetto to use “Landscaping

”
cable?

Re: [AFMUG] Site Survey question

[Scott Vander Dussen]

It’s UBNT’s feature to make all the wireless cowboys just a tad more obnoxious.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 18:05
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Site Survey question


Seriously doubt it.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 8, 2015 9:01 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:

Do the UBNT Rockets M5 or AC radios pick up the Mimosa B5 Lite radios on site 
survey tool?  Thanks

Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

[Chuck McCown]

Or SOOW, a bit easier to get.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 3:58 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC up tower

My preference is just good old fashioned SO cord of an appropriate gauge.   Not 
such a big fan of SJO or other cables, as the SO cord has good, solid jacket 
which will last almost forever. 

-forrest




On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:44 PM, Scott Vander Dussen  wrote:

  Recommendations for 2/4 conductor cable for DC power up tower?  Is it totally 
ghetto to use “Landscaping” cable?







-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir

[Dan Petermann]

That could be it. I am not on site. The took the tape off of the antenna and 
gained 10dB on the V pol. The guys at the other end had already taken the tape 
off.


On Dec 8, 2015, at 4:05 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Not sure what antennas you have, but all of our Radiowaves HP-EX dishes had a 
> piece of green mylar tape over the waveguide interface. It's just a 
> dust/moisture cover for shipping. Most of the Exalt install guides say to 
> take the tape off of the antenna if installed, and leave the tape on the 
> radio if installed.
> 
> On 12/8/2015 4:56 PM, Dan Petermann wrote:
>> They had taped over the feed horn and forgot to take the tape off.�
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 
>>> You did check xmt power, right?� Accounting for any adaptive 
>>> modulation/power.
>>> �
>>> From: Sam Lambie
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:43 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Exalt ExtremeAir
>>> �
>>> multipath or on a side lobe. did you peak the signals in all 4 directions?
>>> 
>>> �
>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Dan Petermann  wrote:
>>> We are installing a pair of ExtremeAir radios and are having an odd issue.
>>> 
>>> At one end the rx� is -41V / -31H.
>>> 
>>> The far end the rx is -35V / -32H.
>>> 
>>> Any idea what could cause a 10dB difference in polarizations?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> -- 
>>> Sam Lambie
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

[Chuck McCown]

Use your label maker to print a “man rated” sticker prior to any climbing.

From: Peter Kranz 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

We have a job site across the street from the main OSHA headquarters for 
California apparently.

 

The tower on the site passes all the normal visual health checks, and has 
climbing pegs installed. The climber was using appropriate PPE. However, since 
the tower did not have a plaque affixed to it indicating it was man-rated, they 
argue that we did not know if the tower was rated for climbing. I’ve never 
heard this requirement, I’ve always gone with if it passes the health check, 
and has a ladder or pegs installed, it was engineered to allow climbing at the 
time of installation.

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

 

How does one get themselves on the OSHA radar?

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I have had good success in hiring OSHA consultants to look me over before 
OSHA has a chance to do the same.  

  Cheap insurance.  

   

  From: Lewis Bergman 

  Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 11:51 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSHA Injury and Illness Prevention Program..

   

  I have one in word that I am pretty sure I gave to WISPA but I have never 
been able to find anything I gave them anywhere.

   

  On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM Peter Kranz  wrote:

Has anyone created one of these? I’ve got OSHA requesting a copy of ours. 
I’d like to “borrow” someone’s if they have one.

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 





 

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Used procera

[Josh Reynolds]

There is far more to procera than simply packet reorg. It's a valuable
network diagnostics tool, bandwidth shaping per customer, a good and
fast central point to dump pcaps from, some of the best DPI (if not
the best) in the industry, etc.

Very damn good system. Scalable too.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
> This is why I try to solve bandwidth problems with throwing more bandwidth
> in.
>
>
>
>
>
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Chuck Hogg
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2015 17:49
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Used procera
>
>
>
> Example, our Procera licensing lapsed, I just paid the full price to get us
> current, even though we will only be getting <6mths of support.
>
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>
> Same with Barracuda basically.
>
> Rory
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake
> Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 7:51 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used procera
>
> I would not buy a 7720. If it's not listed on Procera's website under
> 'Products', it's EOL and they may not even license it anymore. Without
> licensing, it's essentially worthless.
>
> What I would do is contact a Procera reseller first, let them know what
> you're looking at, and they can generate a quote for you to license/support
> it. It may be cheaper than buying a new one if it's an expensive chassis,
> but I doubt you would save much in this particular case, and you may end up
> with an unusable chassis.
>
> On 12/5/2015 9:48 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>>
>> What are the cons of buying a used procera?
>>
>> http://m.ebay.com/itm/PacketLogic-Procera-PL7720-IPE-DPI-Appliance-Pac
>> ket-Shaper-Deep-packet-inspect-/301749867874?nav=SEARCH
>>
>
> --
> Simon Westlake
> Skype: Simon_Sonar
> Email: simon@sonar.software
> Phone: (702) 447-1247
> ---
> Sonar Software Inc
> The next generation of ISP billing and OSS https://sonar.software
>
>

[AFMUG] SyncInjector powering Mimosa B11

[Scott Vander Dussen]

Mimosa B11 is 802.11at compliant, power consumption up to 48vdc 30 watts.  I 
need a din rail solution to power up 2 B11s; any reason a SyncInjector for the 
Canopy 320 and 430 product 
lines 
wouldn't work just to inject power onto the eth line?  Data is through fiber.