date:20170122

to get to the degree of autonomy you reference I think it will take that
long both due to limitations within our scopes and the backlash. Look at
embracing technology in the classroom, it takes new generation to move
forward, people still fight over whether a calculator should be allowed in.
Its not until 2nd or 3rd adult generations get in positions of authority
that changes are fully embraced.

>> In the next 20 years (maybe less), say goodbye to:

>> Most coal miners (alternative energy increases)
A. Alternat energy platforms havent even become "sustainable" the carbon
footprint on implementation is too great (Currently) But given time it will
get there
B. JOBS JOBS JOBS. we are still in current generations reliant on coal
mining. it will take 2nd or 3rd generations living and growing up in a time
where there wasnt a dependence, that alone is at least 50 years out.

all the targets depend on global proliferation of the technology as well.
If it werent available, or embraced, we would go to war constantly.



Not being a negative nancy here, just a realist. dreamers like you are part
of what forces progress and efficiency.



>> Most OTR truckers (will need them for the last few miles, most likely)
A. The tech to replace this is not there yet. What do you see replacing it.
Trump has already stated huge infrastructure improvements including new
rail line. I think if the tech gets there for flight propulsion in and
affordable and sustainable format that would be the greatest solution, much
less maintenance oon air than steel track.
B. JOBS JOBS JOBS... se above

>> Most taxi drivers
A. I can see in 20 years this becoming dwindling (I assime you include all
single modal low occupancy transport, including uber, etc) but the
autonomous vehicle is just recently more than a glint in its daddies eye.
B. JOBS JOBS JOBS see above

>> Most cattle ranchers (there will still be some of course)
A. the aesthetic component just isnt moving fast, steak being perfect, its
a miracle meat and wholey dependent on how its prepared, lab cultures I
just can see getting that level in this next 30-50 years, though I think
this will be what replaces foodstamps first.
B. JOBS JOBS JOBS see above

>> Quite a few farmers (less need for crops)
A. One word... POT. I could see farmers production moved into a factory
environment, fairly aoutomated, hydroponics is already there, sunlight is
the key component to factory based farming in a huge scale. I CAN see this
happening in 20 years
B. See B above

>> Most factory jobs (except for programmers, robiticists, skilled
>> machinists, engineers, etc)
A. They have been saying this same thing since Henry Ford. There will be a
decline, as there always is, when robotics entered the factory it was said
they were done. No way we get that advanced in 20 years, but the labor need
pr produced unit for factories will continue the steady decline its always
seen.
B... do I need to say it




On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Look at the past 50 years from a technology, socio-economic, medical,
> and communications standpoint. If you still believe it's going to take
> 100 years after considering that, I'd be surprised. It's possible
> though.
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:24 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>  wrote:
> > I wish 20 years were realistic to meet those goal, more like a century.
> too
> > many "activists". If you can match the taste, texture, and juice of a
> ribeye
> > with all the same cooking qualities, I dont care if its soylent green.
> > The 20 year list, especially in the factory jobs is not based on any real
> > number other than an extreme faith in technology i would guess. If we
> ever
> > did get to the point you describe, a socialist government would be
> feasible,
> > potentially even sustainable, and it would be met with extreme violence.
> >
> > In my perfect world we figure out the sticky guts that hold everything
> > together so everything can be recycles. Want a steak, look up the recipe
> for
> > the number of electrons, protons, neutrons, whatever ons you need, dump
> them
> > in the black box with some of the goo glue. Take your dump right into a
> > recycler that separates everything back into base components. Full
> nuclear
> > power to keep the grinders running since we would be able to separate
> > everything back into the base units we can clean up the radiation.
> >
> > Fallout is a great series, Ive played it from the beginning, f*%k virtual
> > reality, in my future we play in real time
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> A lot of the hormone, pesticide, and antibiotics problems will go away
> >> with lab grown meat. It is going to allow flavor and fat replication,
> >> 99% less land use, 80% less emissions, only 30% of the overall energy
> >> requirements (fuel, heat, etc), less pesticide usage (have to feed
> >> those animals),

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

2017-01-22 Thread Lewis Bergman

Man.  If you want your opinion listened to you guys should try to be
serious and more considered one in a while.
Read the constitution and see if it applies.  Not if toy want it to, but if
it does.

The guys been in office 2 days and he needs to be impeached.

I hope he proves is all wrong. Like it or not wishing him harm also means
we all do worse, even if only for a couple years.

Even if he does nothing more than cause trouble in DC and nothing gets done
it is a food thing. Generally speaking, when DC does anything it is bad for
the rest if us.

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017, 6:27 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> As far as I'm concerned that's already been done.
>
>
>
> https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emoluments-clause-its-text-meaning-and-application-to-donald-j-trump/
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> How about we wait for an impeachable offense?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:19:22 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future
>
> Then lets leap! Some of us are forward thinkers.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> That seems like a rather large leap from a desperate body of people
> against someone that hasn't done anything wrong while in office.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:16:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future
>
> We should start a pool on how many days he will last before getting
> impeached, or something else.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo pissed off at
> him that they end up collaboratingï¿½ with each other to keep him from
> hurting the country.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all along.ï¿½
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Look at the past 50 years from a technology, socio-economic, medical,
and communications standpoint. If you still believe it's going to take
100 years after considering that, I'd be surprised. It's possible
though.

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:24 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> I wish 20 years were realistic to meet those goal, more like a century. too
> many "activists". If you can match the taste, texture, and juice of a ribeye
> with all the same cooking qualities, I dont care if its soylent green.
> The 20 year list, especially in the factory jobs is not based on any real
> number other than an extreme faith in technology i would guess. If we ever
> did get to the point you describe, a socialist government would be feasible,
> potentially even sustainable, and it would be met with extreme violence.
>
> In my perfect world we figure out the sticky guts that hold everything
> together so everything can be recycles. Want a steak, look up the recipe for
> the number of electrons, protons, neutrons, whatever ons you need, dump them
> in the black box with some of the goo glue. Take your dump right into a
> recycler that separates everything back into base components. Full nuclear
> power to keep the grinders running since we would be able to separate
> everything back into the base units we can clean up the radiation.
>
> Fallout is a great series, Ive played it from the beginning, f*%k virtual
> reality, in my future we play in real time
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> A lot of the hormone, pesticide, and antibiotics problems will go away
>> with lab grown meat. It is going to allow flavor and fat replication,
>> 99% less land use, 80% less emissions, only 30% of the overall energy
>> requirements (fuel, heat, etc), less pesticide usage (have to feed
>> those animals), no hormone usage, and the complete removal of
>> antibiotic usage that are currently causing antibiotic resistant
>> bacteria. Oh, and it will cost less. One of the current hangups is
>> what preservative to use to prevent fungal growth.. potassium sorbate
>> is a genotoxin, but there are other things they are looking in to.
>>
>> In the next 20 years (maybe less), say goodbye to:
>> Most coal miners (alternative energy increases)
>> Most OTR truckers (will need them for the last few miles, most likely)
>> Most taxi drivers
>> Most cattle ranchers (there will still be some of course)
>> Quite a few farmers (less need for crops)
>> Most factory jobs (except for programmers, robiticists, skilled
>> machinists, engineers, etc)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>> > chemtrails man, tis the chemtrails
>> >
>> > lifestyles in general have the most impact, we are fatter and lazier
>> > than
>> > any generation in history, progressively more lazy as getting killed by
>> > bears and sepsis have become less prevalent. processed sugars are, to
>> > me,
>> > the least of our concerns compared to the chemicals and hormones
>> > ingested in
>> > everything, even organic. our soil is generally more contaminated
>> > globally.
>> > GMO isnt even a thing, people think if you eat a genetically modified
>> > food,
>> > it will alter your genes, there are also people who believe the earth is
>> > flat and bacon is bad for you, there is no room for that kind of
>> > nonsense
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Your body processes in this order: alcohol, carbs (which both break
>> >> down
>> >> to sugar), fat resources.
>> >>
>> >> Abstain from alcohol and keep carbs very low and your body will
>> >> naturally
>> >> start going into ketosis. There are testing strips you can test on a
>> >> sample
>> >> of your urine to see if your body is in that "fat burning state" or
>> >> not.
>> >>
>> >> On Jan 22, 2017 7:55 PM, "Robert"  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> genetics is a bitch...
>> >>>
>> >>> On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> 
>>  I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas
>>  for
>>  a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was
>>  a
>>  <1000 cal diet.
>> 
>>  *From:* Bill Prince
>>  *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
>>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>>  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>> 
>> 
>>  You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is
>>  indicating
>>  that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and
>>  there
>>  is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of
>>  the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  bp
>>  
>> 
>>  On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >
>> > I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
>> >
>> >

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I wish 20 years were realistic to meet those goal, more like a century. too
many "activists". If you can match the taste, texture, and juice of a
ribeye with all the same cooking qualities, I dont care if its soylent
green.
The 20 year list, especially in the factory jobs is not based on any real
number other than an extreme faith in technology i would guess. If we ever
did get to the point you describe, a socialist government would be
feasible, potentially even sustainable, and it would be met with extreme
violence.

In my perfect world we figure out the sticky guts that hold everything
together so everything can be recycles. Want a steak, look up the recipe
for the number of electrons, protons, neutrons, whatever ons you need, dump
them in the black box with some of the goo glue. Take your dump right into
a recycler that separates everything back into base components. Full
nuclear power to keep the grinders running since we would be able to
separate everything back into the base units we can clean up the radiation.

Fallout is a great series, Ive played it from the beginning, f*%k virtual
reality, in my future we play in real time

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 9:11 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> A lot of the hormone, pesticide, and antibiotics problems will go away
> with lab grown meat. It is going to allow flavor and fat replication,
> 99% less land use, 80% less emissions, only 30% of the overall energy
> requirements (fuel, heat, etc), less pesticide usage (have to feed
> those animals), no hormone usage, and the complete removal of
> antibiotic usage that are currently causing antibiotic resistant
> bacteria. Oh, and it will cost less. One of the current hangups is
> what preservative to use to prevent fungal growth.. potassium sorbate
> is a genotoxin, but there are other things they are looking in to.
>
> In the next 20 years (maybe less), say goodbye to:
> Most coal miners (alternative energy increases)
> Most OTR truckers (will need them for the last few miles, most likely)
> Most taxi drivers
> Most cattle ranchers (there will still be some of course)
> Quite a few farmers (less need for crops)
> Most factory jobs (except for programmers, robiticists, skilled
> machinists, engineers, etc)
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>  wrote:
> > chemtrails man, tis the chemtrails
> >
> > lifestyles in general have the most impact, we are fatter and lazier than
> > any generation in history, progressively more lazy as getting killed by
> > bears and sepsis have become less prevalent. processed sugars are, to me,
> > the least of our concerns compared to the chemicals and hormones
> ingested in
> > everything, even organic. our soil is generally more contaminated
> globally.
> > GMO isnt even a thing, people think if you eat a genetically modified
> food,
> > it will alter your genes, there are also people who believe the earth is
> > flat and bacon is bad for you, there is no room for that kind of nonsense
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Your body processes in this order: alcohol, carbs (which both break down
> >> to sugar), fat resources.
> >>
> >> Abstain from alcohol and keep carbs very low and your body will
> naturally
> >> start going into ketosis. There are testing strips you can test on a
> sample
> >> of your urine to see if your body is in that "fat burning state" or not.
> >>
> >> On Jan 22, 2017 7:55 PM, "Robert"  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> genetics is a bitch...
> >>>
> >>> On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> 
>  I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas
> for
>  a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a
>  <1000 cal diet.
> 
>  *From:* Bill Prince
>  *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
> 
> 
>  You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is
> indicating
>  that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and
> there
>  is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of
>  the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
> 
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
>  On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> >
> > I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
> >
> > *From:* Josh Reynolds
> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
> >
> > There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome,
> > sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.
> >
> > On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
> >
> > Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

A lot of the hormone, pesticide, and antibiotics problems will go away
with lab grown meat. It is going to allow flavor and fat replication,
99% less land use, 80% less emissions, only 30% of the overall energy
requirements (fuel, heat, etc), less pesticide usage (have to feed
those animals), no hormone usage, and the complete removal of
antibiotic usage that are currently causing antibiotic resistant
bacteria. Oh, and it will cost less. One of the current hangups is
what preservative to use to prevent fungal growth.. potassium sorbate
is a genotoxin, but there are other things they are looking in to.

In the next 20 years (maybe less), say goodbye to:
Most coal miners (alternative energy increases)
Most OTR truckers (will need them for the last few miles, most likely)
Most taxi drivers
Most cattle ranchers (there will still be some of course)
Quite a few farmers (less need for crops)
Most factory jobs (except for programmers, robiticists, skilled
machinists, engineers, etc)


On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> chemtrails man, tis the chemtrails
>
> lifestyles in general have the most impact, we are fatter and lazier than
> any generation in history, progressively more lazy as getting killed by
> bears and sepsis have become less prevalent. processed sugars are, to me,
> the least of our concerns compared to the chemicals and hormones ingested in
> everything, even organic. our soil is generally more contaminated globally.
> GMO isnt even a thing, people think if you eat a genetically modified food,
> it will alter your genes, there are also people who believe the earth is
> flat and bacon is bad for you, there is no room for that kind of nonsense
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> Your body processes in this order: alcohol, carbs (which both break down
>> to sugar), fat resources.
>>
>> Abstain from alcohol and keep carbs very low and your body will naturally
>> start going into ketosis. There are testing strips you can test on a sample
>> of your urine to see if your body is in that "fat burning state" or not.
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 7:55 PM, "Robert"  wrote:
>>>
>>> genetics is a bitch...
>>>
>>> On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

 I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for
 a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a
 <1000 cal diet.

 *From:* Bill Prince
 *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]


 You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating
 that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there
 is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of
 the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).



 bp
 

 On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
> There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome,
> sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
> Not so good at solving arguments.
>
> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
>
> I completely agree with this.
>
> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
> want to happen.
>
>
>
> For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based
> diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
>
>
> You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.
>
> I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.
>
> Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
> quantities.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>
> 
> Midwest

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

but really, guys, you have to periodically check this

http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/

right now theres some guy making dying duck noises or something

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:51 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> I honestly cannot believe at all why any human being would think that at
> this point. I feel like we don't live not only in the same country, but on
> a completely different planet. And this is coming from someone who has
> never lived on either coast, and has spent time in the military as well as
> living a mostly rural life in Kentucky, Indiana, Arizona, Alaska, and
> Missouri.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 8:47 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and going
>> home
>>
>> in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some
>> insanely tasty looking crow anyway :-)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63 list...
>>>
>>> I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country...  I
>>> will not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list... It's cool...
>>> I have always remained true to my beliefs.   My last post on this one...
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in
>>> some way with the JFK assassination?
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are
>>> as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the
>>> Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.
>>>
>>> So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard
>>> of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.
>>>
>>>1. Susan Coleman:
>>>2. Larry Guerrin:
>>>3. Kevin Ives
>>>4. Don Henry:
>>>5. Keith Coney:
>>>6. Keith McKaskle:
>>>7. Gregory Collins:
>>>8. Jeff Rhodes:
>>>9. James Milam:
>>>10. Richard Winters:
>>>11. Jordan Kettleson:
>>>12. Alan Standorf:
>>>13. Dennis Eisman: .
>>>14. Danny Casalaro:
>>>15. Victor Raiser:
>>>16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
>>>17. Paul Tully:
>>>18. Ian Spiro:
>>>19. Paula Gober:
>>>20. Jim Wilhite:
>>>21. Steve Willis,
>>>22. Robert Williams,
>>>23. Todd McKeahan
>>>24. Conway LeBleu:
>>>25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
>>>26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
>>>27. Maj. William Barkley,
>>>28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
>>>29. John Crawford:
>>>30. John Wilson:
>>>31. Paul Wilcher:
>>>32. Vincent Foster:
>>>33. Jon Parnell Walker:
>>>34. Stanley Heard
>>>35. Steven Dickson:
>>>36. Jerry Luther Parks:
>>>37. Ed Willey:
>>>38. Gandy Baugh:
>>>39. Herschell Friday:
>>>40. Ronald Rogers:
>>>41. Kathy Furguson:
>>>42. Bill Shelton:
>>>43. Stanley Huggins:
>>>44. Paul Olson:
>>>45. Calvin Walraven:
>>>46. Alan G. Whicher:
>>>47. Duane Garrett:
>>>48. Ron Brown:.
>>>49. Charles Meissner:
>>>50. William Colby:
>>>51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
>>>52. Lance Herndon:
>>>53. Neil Moody:
>>>54. Barbara Wise:
>>>55. Doug Adams:
>>>56. Mary C. Mahoney:
>>>57. Ronald Miller:
>>>58. Sandy Hume:
>>>59. Jim McDougal:
>>>60. Johnny Lawhon:
>>>61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
>>>62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
>>>63. Tony Moser:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>>>
>>> He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some
>>> were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your
>>> right. I do not.
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions.
>>> Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly
>>> 'spenders'
>>>
>>>
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often
>>> happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if
>>> your looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now
>>> Waiting for right time to do it comrades
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

I know one thing. That hotel is known to be constantly bugged. The
precursor to this story is that the President of the Untited states and the
FLOTUS stayed in that room prior. You mean to tell me the secret service,
state department and intelligence community allowed this? Which is it, they
are all incompetent, or it didnt happen? either answer debunks the story
fully.

Has anybody even bothered to see if the president even ever stayed there?

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> ... and we all supposedly don't know, or don't want to know what happened
> in that Russian Hotel.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Naw, that is a bit weak.
> But slick Willy was impeached to no effect.
> Trump impeaches himself (in the legal sense of the word) every time he
> starts a sentence with the word “Nobody”.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future
>
>
> As far as I'm concerned that's already been done.
>
>
>
> https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emoluments-
> clause-its-text-meaning-and-application-to-donald-j-trump/
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> How about we wait for an impeachable offense?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:19:22 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future
>
> Then lets leap! Some of us are forward thinkers.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> That seems like a rather large leap from a desperate body of people
> against someone that hasn't done anything wrong while in office.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:16:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future
>
> We should start a pool on how many days he will last before getting
> impeached, or something else.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo pissed off at
> him that they end up collaboratingï¿½ with each other to keep him from
> hurting the country.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all along.ï¿½
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

emotions good! NAPSTER BAD!

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Ah, so more emotion-based reasons than fact-based reasons. Gotcha.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:26:55 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future
>
> As far as I'm concerned that's already been done.
>
>
> https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emoluments-
> clause-its-text-meaning-and-application-to-donald-j-trump/
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> How about we wait for an impeachable offense?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:19:22 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future
>
> Then lets leap! Some of us are forward thinkers.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> That seems like a rather large leap from a desperate body of people
> against someone that hasn't done anything wrong while in office.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:16:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future
>
> We should start a pool on how many days he will last before getting
> impeached, or something else.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo pissed off at
> him that they end up collaboratingï¿½ with each other to keep him from
> hurting the country.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all along.ï¿½
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

2920 days, the something else is the peaceful transition of power to his
hottie daughter, thats my bet

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> We should start a pool on how many days he will last before getting
> impeached, or something else.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo pissed off at
> him that they end up collaboratingï¿½ with each other to keep him from
> hurting the country.ï¿½
> ï¿½
> Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all along.ï¿½
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

chemtrails man, tis the chemtrails

lifestyles in general have the most impact, we are fatter and lazier than
any generation in history, progressively more lazy as getting killed by
bears and sepsis have become less prevalent. processed sugars are, to me,
the least of our concerns compared to the chemicals and hormones ingested
in everything, even organic. our soil is generally more contaminated
globally. GMO isnt even a thing, people think if you eat a genetically
modified food, it will alter your genes, there are also people who believe
the earth is flat and bacon is bad for you, there is no room for that kind
of nonsense

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Your body processes in this order: alcohol, carbs (which both break down
> to sugar), fat resources.
>
> Abstain from alcohol and keep carbs very low and your body will naturally
> start going into ketosis. There are testing strips you can test on a sample
> of your urine to see if your body is in that "fat burning state" or not.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 7:55 PM, "Robert"  wrote:
>
>> genetics is a bitch...
>>
>> On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for
>>> a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a
>>> <1000 cal diet.
>>>
>>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>
>>>
>>> You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating
>>> that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there
>>> is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of
>>> the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
 I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

 *From:* Josh Reynolds
 *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

 There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome,
 sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

 On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
 Not so good at solving arguments.

 *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
 *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

 I completely agree with this.

 You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
 want to happen.

 For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based
 diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

 *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
 *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

 You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

 I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

 Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
 quantities.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 

 Midwest Internet Exchange 

 The Brothers WISP 

 *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

 Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.

 *From:*Mike Hammett

 *Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

 *To:*af@afmug.com

 *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

 Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

I honestly cannot believe at all why any human being would think that at
this point. I feel like we don't live not only in the same country, but on
a completely different planet. And this is coming from someone who has
never lived on either coast, and has spent time in the military as well as
living a mostly rural life in Kentucky, Indiana, Arizona, Alaska, and
Missouri.

On Jan 22, 2017 8:47 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and going
> home
>
> in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some insanely
> tasty looking crow anyway :-)
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63 list...
>>
>> I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country...  I
>> will not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list... It's cool...
>> I have always remained true to my beliefs.   My last post on this one...
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in
>> some way with the JFK assassination?
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are
>> as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the
>> Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.
>>
>> So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard
>> of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.
>>
>>1. Susan Coleman:
>>2. Larry Guerrin:
>>3. Kevin Ives
>>4. Don Henry:
>>5. Keith Coney:
>>6. Keith McKaskle:
>>7. Gregory Collins:
>>8. Jeff Rhodes:
>>9. James Milam:
>>10. Richard Winters:
>>11. Jordan Kettleson:
>>12. Alan Standorf:
>>13. Dennis Eisman: .
>>14. Danny Casalaro:
>>15. Victor Raiser:
>>16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
>>17. Paul Tully:
>>18. Ian Spiro:
>>19. Paula Gober:
>>20. Jim Wilhite:
>>21. Steve Willis,
>>22. Robert Williams,
>>23. Todd McKeahan
>>24. Conway LeBleu:
>>25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
>>26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
>>27. Maj. William Barkley,
>>28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
>>29. John Crawford:
>>30. John Wilson:
>>31. Paul Wilcher:
>>32. Vincent Foster:
>>33. Jon Parnell Walker:
>>34. Stanley Heard
>>35. Steven Dickson:
>>36. Jerry Luther Parks:
>>37. Ed Willey:
>>38. Gandy Baugh:
>>39. Herschell Friday:
>>40. Ronald Rogers:
>>41. Kathy Furguson:
>>42. Bill Shelton:
>>43. Stanley Huggins:
>>44. Paul Olson:
>>45. Calvin Walraven:
>>46. Alan G. Whicher:
>>47. Duane Garrett:
>>48. Ron Brown:.
>>49. Charles Meissner:
>>50. William Colby:
>>51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
>>52. Lance Herndon:
>>53. Neil Moody:
>>54. Barbara Wise:
>>55. Doug Adams:
>>56. Mary C. Mahoney:
>>57. Ronald Miller:
>>58. Sandy Hume:
>>59. Jim McDougal:
>>60. Johnny Lawhon:
>>61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
>>62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
>>63. Tony Moser:
>>
>>
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>>
>> He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some
>> were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your
>> right. I do not.
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions.
>> Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly
>> 'spenders'
>>
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often
>> happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your
>> looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.
>>
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now
>> Waiting for right time to do it comrades
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> https://streamable.com/md28v
>>
>> I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not
>> some kind of joke taken too far...
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
>>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and going
home

in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some insanely
tasty looking crow anyway :-)


On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63 list...
>
> I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country...  I
> will not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list... It's cool...
> I have always remained true to my beliefs.   My last post on this one...
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in
> some way with the JFK assassination?
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are as
> dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the
> Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.
>
> So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard
> of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.
>
>1. Susan Coleman:
>2. Larry Guerrin:
>3. Kevin Ives
>4. Don Henry:
>5. Keith Coney:
>6. Keith McKaskle:
>7. Gregory Collins:
>8. Jeff Rhodes:
>9. James Milam:
>10. Richard Winters:
>11. Jordan Kettleson:
>12. Alan Standorf:
>13. Dennis Eisman: .
>14. Danny Casalaro:
>15. Victor Raiser:
>16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
>17. Paul Tully:
>18. Ian Spiro:
>19. Paula Gober:
>20. Jim Wilhite:
>21. Steve Willis,
>22. Robert Williams,
>23. Todd McKeahan
>24. Conway LeBleu:
>25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
>26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
>27. Maj. William Barkley,
>28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
>29. John Crawford:
>30. John Wilson:
>31. Paul Wilcher:
>32. Vincent Foster:
>33. Jon Parnell Walker:
>34. Stanley Heard
>35. Steven Dickson:
>36. Jerry Luther Parks:
>37. Ed Willey:
>38. Gandy Baugh:
>39. Herschell Friday:
>40. Ronald Rogers:
>41. Kathy Furguson:
>42. Bill Shelton:
>43. Stanley Huggins:
>44. Paul Olson:
>45. Calvin Walraven:
>46. Alan G. Whicher:
>47. Duane Garrett:
>48. Ron Brown:.
>49. Charles Meissner:
>50. William Colby:
>51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
>52. Lance Herndon:
>53. Neil Moody:
>54. Barbara Wise:
>55. Doug Adams:
>56. Mary C. Mahoney:
>57. Ronald Miller:
>58. Sandy Hume:
>59. Jim McDougal:
>60. Johnny Lawhon:
>61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
>62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
>63. Tony Moser:
>
>
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some
> were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your
> right. I do not.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:
>
> He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions.
> Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly
> 'spenders'
>
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>
> Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often
> happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:
>
> Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your
> looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.
>
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>
> Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now
> Waiting for right time to do it comrades
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> https://streamable.com/md28v
>
> I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not
> some kind of joke taken too far...
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpo
> st.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. The
> bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended
> inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let
> me Trumpspeak... So sad.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> there is this gem now
> http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
> 24x7 real time

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Your body processes in this order: alcohol, carbs (which both break down to
sugar), fat resources.

Abstain from alcohol and keep carbs very low and your body will naturally
start going into ketosis. There are testing strips you can test on a sample
of your urine to see if your body is in that "fat burning state" or not.

On Jan 22, 2017 7:55 PM, "Robert"  wrote:

> genetics is a bitch...
>
> On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for
>> a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a
>> <1000 cal diet.
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>> You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating
>> that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there
>> is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of
>> the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>
>>> There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome,
>>> sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
>>> Not so good at solving arguments.
>>>
>>> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>
>>>
>>> I completely agree with this.
>>>
>>> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
>>> want to happen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based
>>> diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.
>>>
>>> I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.
>>>
>>> Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
>>> quantities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> >> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> >> com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>
>>> Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:*Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> *Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
>>>
>>> *To:*af@afmug.com
>>>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not having breakfast is part of your problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> >> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> >> com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>>
>>> While I am sure that the

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Yah. They haven't proved it yet, but I believe that artificial
sweeteners can contribute to insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes.

Personally, I can't stand the taste of artificial sweeteners. They leave
some kind of metallic taste in my mouth.

On 1/22/2017 5:07 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Yes there are MANY that spike an insulin response.

Check this list, but be sure to crosscheck...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=web=j=https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/5lrp3l/sweeteners_and_keto_with_all_the_new_people_for/=0ahUKEwi2vpraidfRAhWL24MKHfS2A6sQFggaMAA=AFQjCNEE4QelKK0Miw_BHvtvBsrNWpijOg=gV5SId36yA_lTNaTq2Lv4g

On Jan 22, 2017 6:47 PM, "Bill Prince" > wrote:

You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is
indicating that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut
biome. That and there is an indication that artificial sweeteners
also have the opposite of the intended effect (they contribute to
weight gain).

On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut
biome, sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and
mental health.
On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.
*From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what
you want to happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant
based diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike
Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in
appropriate quantities.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

*From: *"Chuck McCown"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise. A myth promulgated by Special K.

*From:*Mike Hammett

*Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

*From: *"Chuck McCown"
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a
significant effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of
us eat too much. And I don’t think you can generalize too
much because your genetics affect

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Robert


genetics is a bitch...

On 1/22/17 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for
a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a
<1000 cal diet.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]


You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating
that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there
is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of
the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).



bp


On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome,
sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.

*From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]


I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
want to happen.



For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based
diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)







*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]



You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
quantities.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.



*From:*Mike Hammett

*Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]



Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant
effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.
And I don’t think you can generalize too much because your
genetics affect how you metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive
and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is Swedish and
wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.



I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much
but the numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I
have a 300 cal microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home
cooked in the evening.  Not lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are
up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is up.



Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad
straight through since the holidays.  Just started the final
season yesterday.



*From:*Bill Prince

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?



http://www.gocomics.com/candorville/2017/01/22




bp


On 1/22/2017 10:36 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
It amazes me that an adult at the top of the political pyramid is so 
immature to get butt hurt over the size of crowd that showed up.
Pretty sure D.C. is something like 80% black folk. Having the first 
black president is surely something to get stoked about if you are 
black, and if you live there, why not make the effort to go see the 
show.  I wonder if there are crowd size records for all the 
inaugurations.
I watched the young pope first two episodes.  This reminds me of the 
second episode where the pope gets pissed because someone hit in a 
laser pointer.

*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
I started reading this: http://www.justfacts.com/
Some of the statistics really rocked my socks.
-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 1/22/2017 1:05:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to 
effectively shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the 
current environment. Between press releases, Publicly accessible 
data, FOIA responses, live streamed events, and one on one interviews 
(and yes...twitter) the press really is the dialup internet method of 
getting information. We know more in real time then the press could 
ever package up and present. The current mindset of media in press 
conferences is that of militants (both sides of the media isle) and 
there is zero professionalism from either one. Neither really gives a 
damn what the answer is anyway, theyre going to report whatever their 
preconceived response was either way.

Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?
Answer: Yes
CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100 
ISIS fighters in final days of his presidency. This act ensures that 
those who would commit terror will be addressed accordingly, even 
during the transition of power.
Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military conflict 
day before leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk during a 
tumultuous time of transition. Kills 100, ensuring a retaliatory 
response.

Had the same attack been authorized today:
CNN under Trump: MILITARY FIASCO: Trump bombs random targets. Top 
military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, refuse to 
verify there were no civilian casualties, at least 100 confirmed 
dead. War crime charges possible?
Breitbart under Trump: God Emperor Trump authorized the removal of 
100 ISIS top leaders in his first act as Commander in Chief. Rumors 
of ISIS surrender. Barack Obama potentially one of the dead operatives.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

I'm all for it.  I think that everyone is probably just impressed
by the first white house press briefing and the remarks at
Langley.  What an amazing public speaker this one is.  Have you
ever had a friend or friend's uncle or something who did too much
meth?  You know how they start out with one sentence and then
before you know it they have told fifteen other stories before
they ever get to the point...if they ever do???  We have four
years of that to look forward to.  Just watch the full speech at
the CIA, you will see what I mean.  Or don'tsave yourself the
pain.
On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:

Can we talk about politics yet? :P



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I eat a bit.  Fish.  A bit or two of whatever my wife is eating.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Skip the artificial sweeteners & eat some meat. Get your gut back into normal.

bp

On 1/22/2017 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for a 
year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a <1000 cal 
diet.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating that 
artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there is an 
indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of the intended 
effect (they contribute to weight gain).

bp

On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
  Not so good at solving arguments.  

  From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  I completely agree with this.

  You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to 
happen.

  For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet 
with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

  I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

  Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate 
quantities.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

  From: Mike Hammett 

  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect 
on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think 
you can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize 
your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife 
is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

  I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but 
the numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal 
microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not 
lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood 
sugar is up. 

  Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

  Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all 
when he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it 
he asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Skip the artificial sweeteners & eat some meat. Get your gut back into 
normal.



bp


On 1/22/2017 4:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas 
for a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped 
was a <1000 cal diet.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is 
indicating that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. 
That and there is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have 
the opposite of the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).


bp


On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, 
sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.
*From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
want to happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant
based diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
quantities.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.

*From:*Mike Hammett

*Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a
significant effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us
eat too much.  And I don’t think you can generalize too much
because your genetics affect how you metabolize your food.
Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My
wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too
much but the numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast,
I have a 300 cal microwave meal and then one smallish plate of
home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of snacks.  Still the
pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is up.

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad
straight through since the

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

Don't all studies disagree with all other studies?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck McCown 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

  From: Mike Hammett 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

  I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

  Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

  Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

  The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) 
diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

  Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that 
turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp

On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s 
and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Yes there are MANY that spike an insulin response.

Check this list, but be sure to crosscheck...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t=web=j=https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/5lrp3l/sweeteners_and_keto_with_all_the_new_people_for/=0ahUKEwi2vpraidfRAhWL24MKHfS2A6sQFggaMAA=AFQjCNEE4QelKK0Miw_BHvtvBsrNWpijOg=gV5SId36yA_lTNaTq2Lv4g



On Jan 22, 2017 6:47 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating
> that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there is
> an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of the
> intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
> There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar
> addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
>> Not so good at solving arguments.
>>
>> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>> I completely agree with this.
>>
>> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to
>> happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet
>> with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>>
>> You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.
>>
>> I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.
>>
>> Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
>> quantities.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>>
>> Not having breakfast is part of your problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect
>> on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t
>> think you can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you
>> metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and
>> veggies.  My wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want
>> meat.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but
>> the numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal
>> microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.
>> Not lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the
>> blood sugar is up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight
>> through since the holidays.  Just

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Can you get me some Stanford or MIT PhD in physics or EE shit?

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

That can actually be arranged. They've also taken the gut biome samples of a 
calm mouse, injected it into a skittish one, and a week later had two calm mice.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

  On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.  

From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to 
happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet 
with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect 
on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think 
you can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize 
your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife 
is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when 
he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) 
diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that 
turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s 
and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

That can actually be arranged. They've also taken the gut biome samples of
a calm mouse, injected it into a skittish one, and a week later had two
calm mice.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:31 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
> There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar
> addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
>> Not so good at solving arguments.
>>
>> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>> I completely agree with this.
>>
>> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to
>> happen.
>>
>>
>>
>> For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet
>> with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>>
>> You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.
>>
>> I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.
>>
>> Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
>> quantities.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>>
>> Not having breakfast is part of your problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect
>> on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t
>> think you can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you
>> metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and
>> veggies.  My wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want
>> meat.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but
>> the numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal
>> microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.
>> Not lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the
>> blood sugar is up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight
>> through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>>
>>
>> You ought to read "*The Big Fat Surprise*" by Nina Teicholz (
>> https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425).
>>
>> Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all
>> when he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In
>> it he asserted that the so-called

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for a year 
and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a <1000 cal diet. 

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating that 
artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there is an 
indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of the intended 
effect (they contribute to weight gain).

bp

On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

  On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.  

From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to 
happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet 
with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect 
on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think 
you can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize 
your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife 
is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when 
he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) 
diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that 
turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating 
that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there 
is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of 
the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).



bp


On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, 
sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.
*From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
want to happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based
diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
quantities.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.

*From:*Mike Hammett

*Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant
effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much. 
And I don’t think you can generalize too much because your

genetics affect how you metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive
and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is Swedish and
wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much
but the numbers say I do. Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have
a 300 cal microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home
cooked in the evening.  Not lots of snacks. Still the pounds are
up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is up.

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad
straight through since the holidays. Just started the final season
yesterday.

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "/The Big Fat Surprise/" by Nina Teicholz
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425
).


Her contention is that a guy by

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

If I thought it would help I would do it.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There's a process called a fecal transplant.it's exactly what it sounds 
like.
They do it when you're gut bacteria are all killed off somehow.  Maybe you 
could find a way to get your gut biome slaughtered and then find your donor of 
choice.

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/22/2017 7:31:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

  On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.  

From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to 
happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet 
with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect 
on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think 
you can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize 
your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife 
is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when 
he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) 
diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that 
turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s 
and beyond

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?


And about 1/2 the presidents since 1900.

bp


On 1/22/2017 4:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

No doubt.  So that makes him equivalent to JFK and Clinton, right?
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:32 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
Trump cheated on his first wife for what became his second.
On Jan 22, 2017 4:57 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Clintons had JFK knocked off too...
On a more serious note, Bill was very effective in suppressing and
containing his bimbo eruption of rapes etc.
Does anyone doubt he did those things too?
Who has raped more women?
Bill Cosby
Bill Clinton
Donald Trump
If we throw some kind of standard of morality at a president then
it better be applied equally to all of  them.   I seriously doubt
Jimmy Carter cheated on his wife.  How about JFK?
I have a standard I apply to business associates:  you cheat on
our spouse you will cheat me too.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were
involved in some way with the JFK assassination?
On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63
people are as dead as you can get and all of them either
spilled the beans on the Clintons or had information that
could harm the Clintons.
So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not
yet heard of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better
at doing it.

 1. Susan Coleman:
 2. Larry Guerrin:
 3. Kevin Ives
 4. Don Henry:
 5. Keith Coney:
 6. Keith McKaskle:
 7. Gregory Collins:
 8. Jeff Rhodes:
 9. James Milam:
10. Richard Winters:
11. Jordan Kettleson:
12. Alan Standorf:
13. Dennis Eisman: .
14. Danny Casalaro:
15. Victor Raiser:
16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
17. Paul Tully:
18. Ian Spiro:
19. Paula Gober:
20. Jim Wilhite:
21. Steve Willis,
22. Robert Williams,
23. Todd McKeahan
24. Conway LeBleu:
25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
27. Maj. William Barkley,
28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
29. John Crawford:
30. John Wilson:
31. Paul Wilcher:
32. Vincent Foster:
33. Jon Parnell Walker:
34. Stanley Heard
35. Steven Dickson:
36. Jerry Luther Parks:
37. Ed Willey:
38. Gandy Baugh:
39. Herschell Friday:
40. Ronald Rogers:
41. Kathy Furguson:
42. Bill Shelton:
43. Stanley Huggins:
44. Paul Olson:
45. Calvin Walraven:
46. Alan G. Whicher:
47. Duane Garrett:
48. Ron Brown:.
49. Charles Meissner:
50. William Colby:
51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
52. Lance Herndon:
53. Neil Moody:
54. Barbara Wise:
55. Doug Adams:
56. Mary C. Mahoney:
57. Ronald Miller:
58. Sandy Hume:
59. Jim McDougal:
60. Johnny Lawhon:
61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
63. Tony Moser:

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his
money. Some were legal, some were not. You may consider that
smart, and that's your right. I do not.
On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"
 wrote:
He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good
decisions. Historically that's not been common in politics.
It's always been mostly 'spenders'
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:
Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact,
it often happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"
 wrote:
Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us.
But if your looking for miracles you might be better off
reading the bible.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope
now Waiting for right time to do it comrades
On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"
 wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There's a process called a fecal transplant.it's exactly what it 
sounds like.
They do it when you're gut bacteria are all killed off somehow.  Maybe 
you could find a way to get your gut biome slaughtered and then find 
your donor of choice.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/22/2017 7:31:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]


I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

From:Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, 
sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.


On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.

From:Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to 
happen.




For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based 
diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)








From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]



You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate 
quantities.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 






From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.



From: Mike Hammett

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]



Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 






From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant 
effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And 
I don’t think you can generalize too much because your genetics affect 
how you metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without 
fruit and veggies.  My wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I 
don’t ever want meat.




I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but 
the numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 
cal microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the 
evening.  Not lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the 
triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is up.




Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.




From: Bill Prince

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]



You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425 
).


Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all 
when he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country 
study". In it he asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was 
the key to good health. Her

Re: [AFMUG] OT It could have been


That explains a lot.

bp


On 1/22/2017 4:39 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
But no sane person wants that job.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?


JFK, Dwight Eisenhower, Lyndon Johnson, and Bill Clinton.
That's 4 out of the last 10 presidents.
I guess 5 out of 11 since we can count Trump now.

Estimates of infidelity in the general population range from 20-70%.  
Huge variance because the data is necessarily based on surveys.  I'm not 
sure how you'd build a double blind experiment on this.  Might be fun to 
figure out a way :)


Assuming the real number is in the middle, then presidents who've 
cheated on their wife isn't much different from the general population.  
It is not a statistic we can be proud of as a nation, but it is what it 
is.  I'd be more interested in whether they have the decency to feel bad 
about it.






On a more serious note, Bill was very effective in suppressing and 
containing his bimbo eruption of rapes etc.

Does anyone doubt he did those things too?

Who has raped more women?
Bill Cosby
Bill Clinton
Donald Trump

If we throw some kind of standard of morality at a president then it 
better be applied equally to all of  them.   I seriously doubt Jimmy 
Carter cheated on his wife.  How about JFK?


I have a standard I apply to business associates:  you cheat on our 
spouse you will cheat me too.


From:Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:50 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in 
some way with the JFK assassination?


On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people 
are as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on 
the Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.


So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet 
heard of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.
Susan Coleman: Larry Guerrin: Kevin Ives  Don Henry: Keith Coney: 
Keith McKaskle: Gregory Collins: Jeff Rhodes: James Milam: Richard 
Winters: Jordan Kettleson: Alan Standorf: Dennis Eisman: . Danny 
Casalaro: Victor Raiser: R. Montgomery Raiser: Paul Tully: Ian Spiro: 
Paula Gober: Jim Wilhite: Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Todd McKeahan 
Conway LeBleu:   Sgt. Brian Haney, Sgt. Tim Sabel, Maj. William 
Barkley, Capt. Scott Reynolds: John Crawford: John Wilson: Paul 
Wilcher: Vincent Foster: Jon Parnell Walker: Stanley Heard Steven 
Dickson: Jerry Luther Parks: Ed Willey: Gandy Baugh: Herschell Friday: 
Ronald Rogers: Kathy Furguson: Bill Shelton: Stanley Huggins: Paul 
Olson: Calvin Walraven: Alan G. Whicher: Duane Garrett: Ron Brown:. 
Charles Meissner: William Colby: Admiral Jeremy Boorda: Lance Herndon: 
Neil Moody: Barbara Wise: Doug Adams: Mary C. Mahoney: Ronald Miller: 
Sandy Hume: Jim McDougal: Johnny Lawhon: Charles Wilbourne Miller: 
Carlos Ghigliotti: Tony Moser:


From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some 
were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's 
your right. I do not.


On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"  
wrote:


He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions. 
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been 
mostly 'spenders'



Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:



Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often 
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.


On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  
wrote:


Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if 
your looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.



Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:



Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now 
Waiting for right time to do it comrades


On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  
wrote:


https://streamable.com/md28v

I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is 
not some kind of joke taken too far...


On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:


Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751 



On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:


Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. 
The bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended 
inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  
Let me Trumpspeak... So sad.

[AFMUG] OT It could have been

Colin  Powell...  
I think that would have been a great pick for president.  But no sane person 
wants that job.

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

You’re just pissin’ in the wind...

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

... and we all supposedly don't know, or don't want to know what happened in 
that Russian Hotel.

bp

On 1/22/2017 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Naw, that is a bit weak.  
  But slick Willy was impeached to no effect.  
  Trump impeaches himself (in the legal sense of the word) every time he starts 
a sentence with the word “Nobody”.

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:26 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

  As far as I'm concerned that's already been done. 

https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emoluments-clause-its-text-meaning-and-application-to-donald-j-trump/

bp

On 1/22/2017 4:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

How about we wait for an impeachable offense?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:19:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

Then lets leap! Some of us are forward thinkers.

bp

On 1/22/2017 4:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  That seems like a rather large leap from a desperate body of people 
against someone that hasn't done anything wrong while in office.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:16:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

  We should start a pool on how many days he will last before getting 
impeached, or something else.

bp

On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo pissed off at 
him that they end up collaboratingï¿½ with each other to keep him from hurting 
the country.ï¿½ 
ï¿½
Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all 
along.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

... and we all supposedly don't know, or don't want to know what
happened in that Russian Hotel.

On 1/22/2017 4:29 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Naw, that is a bit weak.
But slick Willy was impeached to no effect.
Trump impeaches himself (in the legal sense of the word) every time he
starts a sentence with the word “Nobody”.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:26 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

As far as I'm concerned that's already been done.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emoluments-clause-its-text-meaning-and-application-to-donald-j-trump/

On 1/22/2017 4:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

How about we wait for an impeachable offense?

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

*From: *"Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:19:22 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

Then lets leap! Some of us are forward thinkers.

On 1/22/2017 4:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

That seems like a rather large leap from a desperate body of
people against someone that hasn't done anything wrong while in
office.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

*From: *"Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:16:31 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

We should start a pool on how many days he will last before
getting impeached, or something else.

On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo
pissed off at him that they end up collaboratingï¿½ with each
other to keep him from hurting the country.ï¿½
ï¿½
Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda
all along.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

No doubt.  So that makes him equivalent to JFK and Clinton, right?

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Trump cheated on his first wife for what became his second.

On Jan 22, 2017 4:57 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Clintons had JFK knocked off too...

  On a more serious note, Bill was very effective in suppressing and containing 
his bimbo eruption of rapes etc.  
  Does anyone doubt he did those things too?

  Who has raped more women?
  Bill Cosby
  Bill Clinton
  Donald Trump

  If we throw some kind of standard of morality at a president then it better 
be applied equally to all of  them.   I seriously doubt Jimmy Carter cheated on 
his wife.  How about JFK?  

  I have a standard I apply to business associates:  you cheat on our spouse 
you will cheat me too.  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:50 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in some 
way with the JFK assassination?

  On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are as 
dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the Clintons or 
had information that could harm the Clintons.  

So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard of 
anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.  
  1.. Susan Coleman: 
  2.. Larry Guerrin: 
  3.. Kevin Ives  
  4.. Don Henry: 
  5.. Keith Coney: 
  6.. Keith McKaskle: 
  7.. Gregory Collins: 
  8.. Jeff Rhodes: 
  9.. James Milam: 
  10.. Richard Winters: 
  11.. Jordan Kettleson: 
  12.. Alan Standorf: 
  13.. Dennis Eisman: . 
  14.. Danny Casalaro: 
  15.. Victor Raiser: 
  16.. R. Montgomery Raiser: 
  17.. Paul Tully: 
  18.. Ian Spiro: 
  19.. Paula Gober: 
  20.. Jim Wilhite: 
  21.. Steve Willis, 
  22.. Robert Williams, 
  23.. Todd McKeahan 
  24.. Conway LeBleu:   
  25.. Sgt. Brian Haney, 
  26.. Sgt. Tim Sabel, 
  27.. Maj. William Barkley, 
  28.. Capt. Scott Reynolds: 
  29.. John Crawford: 
  30.. John Wilson: 
  31.. Paul Wilcher: 
  32.. Vincent Foster: 
  33.. Jon Parnell Walker: 
  34.. Stanley Heard 
  35.. Steven Dickson: 
  36.. Jerry Luther Parks: 
  37.. Ed Willey: 
  38.. Gandy Baugh: 
  39.. Herschell Friday: 
  40.. Ronald Rogers: 
  41.. Kathy Furguson: 
  42.. Bill Shelton: 
  43.. Stanley Huggins: 
  44.. Paul Olson: 
  45.. Calvin Walraven: 
  46.. Alan G. Whicher: 
  47.. Duane Garrett: 
  48.. Ron Brown:. 
  49.. Charles Meissner: 
  50.. William Colby: 
  51.. Admiral Jeremy Boorda: 
  52.. Lance Herndon: 
  53.. Neil Moody: 
  54.. Barbara Wise: 
  55.. Doug Adams: 
  56.. Mary C. Mahoney: 
  57.. Ronald Miller: 
  58.. Sandy Hume: 
  59.. Jim McDougal: 
  60.. Johnny Lawhon: 
  61.. Charles Wilbourne Miller: 
  62.. Carlos Ghigliotti: 
  63.. Tony Moser:  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some were 
legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your right. I do 
not.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions. 
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly 
'spenders'

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often 
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your 
looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now 
Waiting for right time to do it comrades

On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

https://streamable.com/md28v

I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not 
some kind of joke taken too far...

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Trump cheated on his first wife for what became his second.

On Jan 22, 2017 4:57 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Clintons had JFK knocked off too...
>
> On a more serious note, Bill was very effective in suppressing and
> containing his bimbo eruption of rapes etc.
> Does anyone doubt he did those things too?
>
> Who has raped more women?
> Bill Cosby
> Bill Clinton
> Donald Trump
>
> If we throw some kind of standard of morality at a president then it
> better be applied equally to all of  them.   I seriously doubt Jimmy Carter
> cheated on his wife.  How about JFK?
>
> I have a standard I apply to business associates:  you cheat on our spouse
> you will cheat me too.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in
> some way with the JFK assassination?
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are as
> dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the
> Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.
>
> So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard
> of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.
>
>1. Susan Coleman:
>2. Larry Guerrin:
>3. Kevin Ives
>4. Don Henry:
>5. Keith Coney:
>6. Keith McKaskle:
>7. Gregory Collins:
>8. Jeff Rhodes:
>9. James Milam:
>10. Richard Winters:
>11. Jordan Kettleson:
>12. Alan Standorf:
>13. Dennis Eisman: .
>14. Danny Casalaro:
>15. Victor Raiser:
>16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
>17. Paul Tully:
>18. Ian Spiro:
>19. Paula Gober:
>20. Jim Wilhite:
>21. Steve Willis,
>22. Robert Williams,
>23. Todd McKeahan
>24. Conway LeBleu:
>25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
>26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
>27. Maj. William Barkley,
>28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
>29. John Crawford:
>30. John Wilson:
>31. Paul Wilcher:
>32. Vincent Foster:
>33. Jon Parnell Walker:
>34. Stanley Heard
>35. Steven Dickson:
>36. Jerry Luther Parks:
>37. Ed Willey:
>38. Gandy Baugh:
>39. Herschell Friday:
>40. Ronald Rogers:
>41. Kathy Furguson:
>42. Bill Shelton:
>43. Stanley Huggins:
>44. Paul Olson:
>45. Calvin Walraven:
>46. Alan G. Whicher:
>47. Duane Garrett:
>48. Ron Brown:.
>49. Charles Meissner:
>50. William Colby:
>51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
>52. Lance Herndon:
>53. Neil Moody:
>54. Barbara Wise:
>55. Doug Adams:
>56. Mary C. Mahoney:
>57. Ronald Miller:
>58. Sandy Hume:
>59. Jim McDougal:
>60. Johnny Lawhon:
>61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
>62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
>63. Tony Moser:
>
>
> From: Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some
> were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your
> right. I do not.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:
>
> He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions.
> Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly
> 'spenders'
>
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
>
> Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often
> happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:
>
> Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your
> looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.
>
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>
> Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now
> Waiting for right time to do it comrades
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
> https://streamable.com/md28v
>
> I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not
> some kind of joke taken too far...
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpo
> st.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. The
> bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended
> inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let
> me

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
  Not so good at solving arguments.  

  From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  I completely agree with this.

  You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to happen.

  For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet with 
the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

  I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

  Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

  From: Mike Hammett 

  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

  I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

  Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

  From: Bill Prince 

  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

  You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

  Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

  The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) 
diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

  Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that 
turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s 
and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
> Not so good at solving arguments.
>
> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
>
> I completely agree with this.
>
> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to
> happen.
>
>
>
> For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet
> with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
>
>
> You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.
>
> I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.
>
> Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
> Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
>
>
> Not having breakfast is part of your problem.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
> While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect
> on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t
> think you can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you
> metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and
> veggies.  My wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want
> meat.
>
>
>
> I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the
> numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal
> microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.
> Not lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the
> blood sugar is up.
>
>
>
> Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight
> through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
>
>
> You ought to read "*The Big Fat Surprise*" by Nina Teicholz (
> https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425).
>
> Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when
> he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it
> he asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good
> health. Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry
> picked from a study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade
> crusade to sell his theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary
> studies.
>
> The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat)
> diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.
>
> Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that
> turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

Naw, that is a bit weak.  
But slick Willy was impeached to no effect.  
Trump impeaches himself (in the legal sense of the word) every time he starts a 
sentence with the word “Nobody”.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

As far as I'm concerned that's already been done. 

https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emoluments-clause-its-text-meaning-and-application-to-donald-j-trump/

bp

On 1/22/2017 4:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  How about we wait for an impeachable offense?

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:19:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

  Then lets leap! Some of us are forward thinkers.

bp

On 1/22/2017 4:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

That seems like a rather large leap from a desperate body of people against 
someone that hasn't done anything wrong while in office.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:16:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

We should start a pool on how many days he will last before getting 
impeached, or something else.

bp

On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo pissed off at 
him that they end up collaboratingï¿½ with each other to keep him from hurting 
the country.ï¿½ 
  ï¿½
  Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all along.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

Ah, so more emotion-based reasons than fact-based reasons. Gotcha. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:26:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future 


As far as I'm concerned that's already been done. 



https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emoluments-clause-its-text-meaning-and-application-to-donald-j-trump/
 
bp
 
On 1/22/2017 4:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



How about we wait for an impeachable offense? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:19:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future 


Then lets leap! Some of us are forward thinkers. 

bp
 
On 1/22/2017 4:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



That seems like a rather large leap from a desperate body of people against 
someone that hasn't done anything wrong while in office. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:16:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future 


We should start a pool on how many days he will last before getting impeached, 
or something else. 

bp
 
On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo pissed off at him 
that they end up collaboratingï¿½ with each other to keep him from hurting the 
country.ï¿½ 
ï¿½ 
Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all along.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

Congress ought to invent a Presidential Recall process.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:16 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

We should start a pool on how many days he will last before getting impeached, 
or something else.

bp

On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo pissed off at him 
that they end up collaboratingï¿½ with each other to keep him from hurting the 
country.ï¿½ 
  ï¿½
  Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all along.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future


As far as I'm concerned that's already been done.


https://www.brookings.edu/research/the-emoluments-clause-its-text-meaning-and-application-to-donald-j-trump/

bp


On 1/22/2017 4:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

How about we wait for an impeachable offense?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Bill Prince" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:19:22 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

Then lets leap! Some of us are forward thinkers.


bp


On 1/22/2017 4:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

That seems like a rather large leap from a desperate body of
people against someone that hasn't done anything wrong while in
office.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Bill Prince" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:16:31 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

We should start a pool on how many days he will last before
getting impeached, or something else.


bp


On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo
pissed off at him that they end up collaboratingï¿½ with each
other to keep him from hurting the country.ï¿½
ï¿½
Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all
along.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

How about we wait for an impeachable offense? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:19:22 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future 


Then lets leap! Some of us are forward thinkers. 

bp
 
On 1/22/2017 4:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



That seems like a rather large leap from a desperate body of people against 
someone that hasn't done anything wrong while in office. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:16:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future 


We should start a pool on how many days he will last before getting impeached, 
or something else. 

bp
 
On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo pissed off at him 
that they end up collaboratingï¿½ with each other to keep him from hurting the 
country.ï¿½ 
ï¿½ 
Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all along.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future


Then lets leap! Some of us are forward thinkers.


bp


On 1/22/2017 4:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
That seems like a rather large leap from a desperate body of people 
against someone that hasn't done anything wrong while in office.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Bill Prince" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:16:31 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

We should start a pool on how many days he will last before getting 
impeached, or something else.



bp


On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo pissed
off at him that they end up collaboratingï¿½ with each other to
keep him from hurting the country.ï¿½
ï¿½
Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all
along.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

That seems like a rather large leap from a desperate body of people against 
someone that hasn't done anything wrong while in office. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:16:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future 


We should start a pool on how many days he will last before getting impeached, 
or something else. 

bp
 
On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: 





Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo pissed off at him 
that they end up collaboratingï¿½ with each other to keep him from hurting the 
country.ï¿½ 
ï¿½ 
Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all along.ï¿½

Re: [AFMUG] OT odd future

We should start a pool on how many days he will last before getting 
impeached, or something else.



bp


On 1/22/2017 4:13 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo pissed off 
at him that they end up collaborating  with each other to keep him 
from hurting the country.

Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all along.

[AFMUG] OT odd future

Perhaps Trump will get congress and all the agencies sooo pissed off at him 
that they end up collaborating  with each other to keep him from hurting the 
country.  

Of course he will then announce that was his hidden agenda all along.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.  

From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet with 
the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm rapidly 
coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s and 
beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

  Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to happen.

 

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet with 
the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

 

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions  
   
  
  
 
Midwest Internet Exchange  
   
  
 
The Brothers WISP  
  


 



From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

 

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

 

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions  
   
  
  
 
Midwest Internet Exchange  
   
  
 
The Brothers WISP  
  


 



From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

 

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

 

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head.

 

bp

 

On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s 
and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

 

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

2017-01-22 Thread Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)

Ha, I so agree with this

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

From: Mike Hammett 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions  

Midwest Internet Exchange  

The Brothers WISP  

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp

On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s 
and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/19/breakfast-nutrition-science/

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp

On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm rapidly 
coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s and 
beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

  Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want. 

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc. 

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] 




Recent studies say otherwise. A myth promulgated by Special K. 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] 


Not having breakfast is part of your problem. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] 




While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much. And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food. Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies. My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat. I don’t ever want meat. 

I wish I could just cut back. It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do. Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening. Not lots of 
snacks. Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer. Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays. Just started the final season yesterday. 




From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] 


You ought to read " The Big Fat Surprise " by Nina Teicholz ( 
https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425 ). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today. 
Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head. 
bp
 
On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 



The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm rapidly 
coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s and 
beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I almost never avoid breakfast; only when I'm short on time. I do skip 
lunch about 50% of the time.



bp


On 1/22/2017 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.
*From:* Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant 
effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And 
I don’t think you can generalize too much because your genetics affect 
how you metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without 
fruit and veggies.  My wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I 
don’t ever want meat.
I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but 
the numbers say I do. Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 
cal microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the 
evening.  Not lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the 
triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is up.
Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays. Just started the final season yesterday.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "/The Big Fat Surprise/" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425).


Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all 
when he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country 
study". In it he asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was 
the key to good health. Her research contends that the seven country 
study was cherry picked from a study of about 30 countries. Keys went 
on a multi-decade crusade to sell his theory, and a bunch of other 
questionable dietary studies.


The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in 
fat) diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.


Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet 
that turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.


bp


On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more
I'm rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed
sugar in the 1940s and beyond in American foods has had a hugely
negative effect on our current social, mental health, medical, and
political issues. Not that it's the root cause (way too many
factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor.
Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I agree that most of us put too much stock in the foods we eat (or 
don't). I don't pay too much attention to what I eat, and I do eat 
plenty of butter and fat in general (including nuts and meat). While 
I've gained a little weight in the last decade, I attribute most of it 
to not enough balance in food versus exercise. In the last year I 
started paying more attention to getting out and about, and not eating 
as many sweets (or bread). I think I'm down about 10 pounds in the last 
year, and am now much closer to my historical weight that I had in my 
20s, 30s and 40s.


bp


On 1/22/2017 3:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant 
effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And 
I don’t think you can generalize too much because your genetics affect 
how you metabolize your food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without 
fruit and veggies.  My wife is Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I 
don’t ever want meat.
I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but 
the numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 
cal microwave meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the 
evening.  Not lots of snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the 
triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is up.
Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight 
through since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "/The Big Fat Surprise/" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425).


Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all 
when he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country 
study". In it he asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was 
the key to good health. Her research contends that the seven country 
study was cherry picked from a study of about 30 countries. Keys went 
on a multi-decade crusade to sell his theory, and a bunch of other 
questionable dietary studies.


The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in 
fat) diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.


Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet 
that turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.


bp


On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in 
the 1940s and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative 
effect on our current social, mental health, medical, and political 
issues. Not that it's the root cause (way too many factors), but it's 
definitely a huge contributing factor.

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head.

bp

On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm rapidly 
coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s and 
beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

  Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] 




While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much. And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food. Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies. My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat. I don’t ever want meat. 

I wish I could just cut back. It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do. Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening. Not lots of 
snacks. Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer. Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays. Just started the final season yesterday. 




From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] 


You ought to read " The Big Fat Surprise " by Nina Teicholz ( 
https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425 ). 

Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 

The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today. 
Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head. 
bp
 
On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 



The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm rapidly 
coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s and 
beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a significant effect on 
your health, pretty sure almost all of us eat too much.  And I don’t think you 
can generalize too much because your genetics affect how you metabolize your 
food.  Eskimos can survive and thrive without fruit and veggies.  My wife is 
Swedish and wants nothing but meat.  I don’t ever want meat.  

I wish I could just cut back.  It doesn’t seem like I eat too much but the 
numbers say I do.  Most days I don’t have breakfast, I have a 300 cal microwave 
meal and then one smallish plate of home cooked in the evening.  Not lots of 
snacks.  Still the pounds are up, the triglycerides are up, the blood sugar is 
up. 

Perhaps meth is the answer.  Have been watching Breaking Bad straight through 
since the holidays.  Just started the final season yesterday.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "The Big Fat Surprise" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425). 


Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all when he 
published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". In it he 
asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to good health. 
Her research contends that the seven country study was cherry picked from a 
study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a multi-decade crusade to sell his 
theory, and a bunch of other questionable dietary studies. 


The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in fat) diet 
to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.

Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that turns 
the Mediterranean diet on its head.



bp


On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

  The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm rapidly 
coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the 1940s and 
beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our current 
social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's the root 
cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge contributing factor. 

  Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?


Me too.

Then I go to Breitbart for the real poop.

Err  Crap.


bp


On 1/22/2017 3:03 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I only use Snopes when it supports my position.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:54 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

All claptrap (not my description).

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

bp


On 1/22/2017 2:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

They’re really really good at it.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Witnesses? One? That many hit jobs would have a leak. Somewhere. None 
exist.


bp


On 1/22/2017 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Fact Bill, they are dead and they all had harmed or could have 
harmed Bill or Hillary.
Just go through the list one by one. Some of it related to Waco.  
Many related to Whitewater or Monica.

Remember Vince Foster?
One or three could be a coincidence.  10 perhaps just a series of 
unfortunate and unrelated events, but 63 of them?  Just happenstance?

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Give. Me. A. Break.

bp


On 1/22/2017 2:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people 
are as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans 
on the Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.
So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet 
heard of anyone he had whacked. Maybe he is just better at doing it.


 1. Susan Coleman:
 2. Larry Guerrin:
 3. Kevin Ives
 4. Don Henry:
 5. Keith Coney:
 6. Keith McKaskle:
 7. Gregory Collins:
 8. Jeff Rhodes:
 9. James Milam:
10. Richard Winters:
11. Jordan Kettleson:
12. Alan Standorf:
13. Dennis Eisman: .
14. Danny Casalaro:
15. Victor Raiser:
16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
17. Paul Tully:
18. Ian Spiro:
19. Paula Gober:
20. Jim Wilhite:
21. Steve Willis,
22. Robert Williams,
23. Todd McKeahan
24. Conway LeBleu:
25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
27. Maj. William Barkley,
28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
29. John Crawford:
30. John Wilson:
31. Paul Wilcher:
32. Vincent Foster:
33. Jon Parnell Walker:
34. Stanley Heard
35. Steven Dickson:
36. Jerry Luther Parks:
37. Ed Willey:
38. Gandy Baugh:
39. Herschell Friday:
40. Ronald Rogers:
41. Kathy Furguson:
42. Bill Shelton:
43. Stanley Huggins:
44. Paul Olson:
45. Calvin Walraven:
46. Alan G. Whicher:
47. Duane Garrett:
48. Ron Brown:.
49. Charles Meissner:
50. William Colby:
51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
52. Lance Herndon:
53. Neil Moody:
54. Barbara Wise:
55. Doug Adams:
56. Mary C. Mahoney:
57. Ronald Miller:
58. Sandy Hume:
59. Jim McDougal:
60. Johnny Lawhon:
61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
63. Tony Moser:

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. 
Some were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and 
that's your right. I do not.
On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good 
decisions. Historically that's not been common in politics. It's 
always been mostly 'spenders'

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com wrote:
Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it 
often happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But 
if your looking for miracles you might be better off reading the 
bible.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope 
now Waiting for right time to do it comrades
On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com wrote:

https://streamable.com/md28v
I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is 
not some kind of joke taken too far...
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751
On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house 
website. The bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half 
attended inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego 
is bruised.  Let me Trumpspeak... So sad.
On

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You ought to read "/The Big Fat Surprise/" by Nina Teicholz 
(https://www.amazon.com/Big-Fat-Surprise-Butter-Healthy/dp/1451624425).


Her contention is that a guy by the name of Ancel Keys started it all 
when he published a study in the 1950s called "The seven country study". 
In it he asserted that the so-called "Mediterranean diet" was the key to 
good health. Her research contends that the seven country study was 
cherry picked from a study of about 30 countries. Keys went on a 
multi-decade crusade to sell his theory, and a bunch of other 
questionable dietary studies.


The American diet changed from a largely meat-centric (and higher in 
fat) diet to the allegedly healthy low-fat diet of today.


Part of her analysis looks at the remarkably successful Atkins diet that 
turns the Mediterranean diet on its head.



bp


On 1/22/2017 2:55 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm 
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in 
the 1940s and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative 
effect on our current social, mental health, medical, and political 
issues. Not that it's the root cause (way too many factors), but it's 
definitely a huge contributing factor.


Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

I only use Snopes when it supports my position.

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

All claptrap (not my description).

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

bp

On 1/22/2017 2:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  They’re really really good at it.  

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:46 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  Witnesses? One? That many hit jobs would have a leak. Somewhere. None exist.

bp

On 1/22/2017 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Fact Bill, they are dead and they all had harmed or could have harmed Bill 
or Hillary.
Just go through the list one by one.  Some of it related to Waco.  Many 
related to Whitewater or Monica.
Remember Vince Foster?

One or three could be a coincidence.  10 perhaps just a series of 
unfortunate and unrelated events, but 63 of them?  Just happenstance?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Give. Me. A. Break.

bp

On 1/22/2017 2:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are 
as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the Clintons 
or had information that could harm the Clintons.  

  So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard 
of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.  
1.. Susan Coleman: 
2.. Larry Guerrin: 
3.. Kevin Ives  
4.. Don Henry: 
5.. Keith Coney: 
6.. Keith McKaskle: 
7.. Gregory Collins: 
8.. Jeff Rhodes: 
9.. James Milam: 
10.. Richard Winters: 
11.. Jordan Kettleson: 
12.. Alan Standorf: 
13.. Dennis Eisman: . 
14.. Danny Casalaro: 
15.. Victor Raiser: 
16.. R. Montgomery Raiser: 
17.. Paul Tully: 
18.. Ian Spiro: 
19.. Paula Gober: 
20.. Jim Wilhite: 
21.. Steve Willis, 
22.. Robert Williams, 
23.. Todd McKeahan 
24.. Conway LeBleu:   
25.. Sgt. Brian Haney, 
26.. Sgt. Tim Sabel, 
27.. Maj. William Barkley, 
28.. Capt. Scott Reynolds: 
29.. John Crawford: 
30.. John Wilson: 
31.. Paul Wilcher: 
32.. Vincent Foster: 
33.. Jon Parnell Walker: 
34.. Stanley Heard 
35.. Steven Dickson: 
36.. Jerry Luther Parks: 
37.. Ed Willey: 
38.. Gandy Baugh: 
39.. Herschell Friday: 
40.. Ronald Rogers: 
41.. Kathy Furguson: 
42.. Bill Shelton: 
43.. Stanley Huggins: 
44.. Paul Olson: 
45.. Calvin Walraven: 
46.. Alan G. Whicher: 
47.. Duane Garrett: 
48.. Ron Brown:. 
49.. Charles Meissner: 
50.. William Colby: 
51.. Admiral Jeremy Boorda: 
52.. Lance Herndon: 
53.. Neil Moody: 
54.. Barbara Wise: 
55.. Doug Adams: 
56.. Mary C. Mahoney: 
57.. Ronald Miller: 
58.. Sandy Hume: 
59.. Jim McDougal: 
60.. Johnny Lawhon: 
61.. Charles Wilbourne Miller: 
62.. Carlos Ghigliotti: 
63.. Tony Moser:  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some 
were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your right. 
I do not.

  On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler" mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net 
wrote:

  He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions. 
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly 
'spenders'

  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.

  On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com 
wrote:

  Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often 
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.

  On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler" mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net 
wrote:

  Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your 
looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible. 

  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.

  On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

  Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now 
Waiting for right time to do it comrades

  On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com 
wrote:

  https://streamable.com/md28v

  I still cannot settle down with

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Just pick a few at random and look them up.  They all died.  They all had ties 
to Clintons.  Many of the deaths are unusal and unnatural.  All of them had 
harmed or could have harmed the Clintons.  Those assertions are inarguable.  

Whether or not they are related and caused or directed is what is up for 
argument.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:57 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63 list...  

I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country...  I will 
not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list... It's cool... I have 
always remained true to my beliefs.   My last post on this one... 

On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in some 
way with the JFK assassination?

  On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are as 
dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the Clintons or 
had information that could harm the Clintons.  

So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard of 
anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.  
  1.. Susan Coleman: 
  2.. Larry Guerrin: 
  3.. Kevin Ives  
  4.. Don Henry: 
  5.. Keith Coney: 
  6.. Keith McKaskle: 
  7.. Gregory Collins: 
  8.. Jeff Rhodes: 
  9.. James Milam: 
  10.. Richard Winters: 
  11.. Jordan Kettleson: 
  12.. Alan Standorf: 
  13.. Dennis Eisman: . 
  14.. Danny Casalaro: 
  15.. Victor Raiser: 
  16.. R. Montgomery Raiser: 
  17.. Paul Tully: 
  18.. Ian Spiro: 
  19.. Paula Gober: 
  20.. Jim Wilhite: 
  21.. Steve Willis, 
  22.. Robert Williams, 
  23.. Todd McKeahan 
  24.. Conway LeBleu:   
  25.. Sgt. Brian Haney, 
  26.. Sgt. Tim Sabel, 
  27.. Maj. William Barkley, 
  28.. Capt. Scott Reynolds: 
  29.. John Crawford: 
  30.. John Wilson: 
  31.. Paul Wilcher: 
  32.. Vincent Foster: 
  33.. Jon Parnell Walker: 
  34.. Stanley Heard 
  35.. Steven Dickson: 
  36.. Jerry Luther Parks: 
  37.. Ed Willey: 
  38.. Gandy Baugh: 
  39.. Herschell Friday: 
  40.. Ronald Rogers: 
  41.. Kathy Furguson: 
  42.. Bill Shelton: 
  43.. Stanley Huggins: 
  44.. Paul Olson: 
  45.. Calvin Walraven: 
  46.. Alan G. Whicher: 
  47.. Duane Garrett: 
  48.. Ron Brown:. 
  49.. Charles Meissner: 
  50.. William Colby: 
  51.. Admiral Jeremy Boorda: 
  52.. Lance Herndon: 
  53.. Neil Moody: 
  54.. Barbara Wise: 
  55.. Doug Adams: 
  56.. Mary C. Mahoney: 
  57.. Ronald Miller: 
  58.. Sandy Hume: 
  59.. Jim McDougal: 
  60.. Johnny Lawhon: 
  61.. Charles Wilbourne Miller: 
  62.. Carlos Ghigliotti: 
  63.. Tony Moser:  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some were 
legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your right. I do 
not.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions. 
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly 
'spenders'

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often 
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your 
looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now 
Waiting for right time to do it comrades

On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

https://streamable.com/md28v

I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not 
some kind of joke taken too far...

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..  

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751

On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63 list...

I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country...  I
will not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list... It's cool...
I have always remained true to my beliefs.   My last post on this one...

On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in some
way with the JFK assassination?

On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are as
dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the
Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.

So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard of
anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.

   1. Susan Coleman:
   2. Larry Guerrin:
   3. Kevin Ives
   4. Don Henry:
   5. Keith Coney:
   6. Keith McKaskle:
   7. Gregory Collins:
   8. Jeff Rhodes:
   9. James Milam:
   10. Richard Winters:
   11. Jordan Kettleson:
   12. Alan Standorf:
   13. Dennis Eisman: .
   14. Danny Casalaro:
   15. Victor Raiser:
   16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
   17. Paul Tully:
   18. Ian Spiro:
   19. Paula Gober:
   20. Jim Wilhite:
   21. Steve Willis,
   22. Robert Williams,
   23. Todd McKeahan
   24. Conway LeBleu:
   25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
   26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
   27. Maj. William Barkley,
   28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
   29. John Crawford:
   30. John Wilson:
   31. Paul Wilcher:
   32. Vincent Foster:
   33. Jon Parnell Walker:
   34. Stanley Heard
   35. Steven Dickson:
   36. Jerry Luther Parks:
   37. Ed Willey:
   38. Gandy Baugh:
   39. Herschell Friday:
   40. Ronald Rogers:
   41. Kathy Furguson:
   42. Bill Shelton:
   43. Stanley Huggins:
   44. Paul Olson:
   45. Calvin Walraven:
   46. Alan G. Whicher:
   47. Duane Garrett:
   48. Ron Brown:.
   49. Charles Meissner:
   50. William Colby:
   51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
   52. Lance Herndon:
   53. Neil Moody:
   54. Barbara Wise:
   55. Doug Adams:
   56. Mary C. Mahoney:
   57. Ronald Miller:
   58. Sandy Hume:
   59. Jim McDougal:
   60. Johnny Lawhon:
   61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
   62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
   63. Tony Moser:


From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some were
legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your right. I
do not.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions.
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly
'spenders'


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:


Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your
looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:


Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now
Waiting for right time to do it comrades

On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

https://streamable.com/md28v

I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not
some kind of joke taken too far...

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpo
st.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751

On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. The
bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended
inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let
me Trumpspeak... So sad.

On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

there is this gem now
http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:


Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very difficult to
get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to be very biased
even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ media in USA is biased,
too.

E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where it was
clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is unthinkable
here. It would be the one point which would

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Clintons had JFK knocked off too...

On a more serious note, Bill was very effective in suppressing and containing 
his bimbo eruption of rapes etc.  
Does anyone doubt he did those things too?

Who has raped more women?
Bill Cosby
Bill Clinton
Donald Trump

If we throw some kind of standard of morality at a president then it better be 
applied equally to all of  them.   I seriously doubt Jimmy Carter cheated on 
his wife.  How about JFK?  

I have a standard I apply to business associates:  you cheat on our spouse you 
will cheat me too.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in some way 
with the JFK assassination?

On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are as 
dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the Clintons or 
had information that could harm the Clintons.  

  So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard of 
anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.  
1.. Susan Coleman: 
2.. Larry Guerrin: 
3.. Kevin Ives  
4.. Don Henry: 
5.. Keith Coney: 
6.. Keith McKaskle: 
7.. Gregory Collins: 
8.. Jeff Rhodes: 
9.. James Milam: 
10.. Richard Winters: 
11.. Jordan Kettleson: 
12.. Alan Standorf: 
13.. Dennis Eisman: . 
14.. Danny Casalaro: 
15.. Victor Raiser: 
16.. R. Montgomery Raiser: 
17.. Paul Tully: 
18.. Ian Spiro: 
19.. Paula Gober: 
20.. Jim Wilhite: 
21.. Steve Willis, 
22.. Robert Williams, 
23.. Todd McKeahan 
24.. Conway LeBleu:   
25.. Sgt. Brian Haney, 
26.. Sgt. Tim Sabel, 
27.. Maj. William Barkley, 
28.. Capt. Scott Reynolds: 
29.. John Crawford: 
30.. John Wilson: 
31.. Paul Wilcher: 
32.. Vincent Foster: 
33.. Jon Parnell Walker: 
34.. Stanley Heard 
35.. Steven Dickson: 
36.. Jerry Luther Parks: 
37.. Ed Willey: 
38.. Gandy Baugh: 
39.. Herschell Friday: 
40.. Ronald Rogers: 
41.. Kathy Furguson: 
42.. Bill Shelton: 
43.. Stanley Huggins: 
44.. Paul Olson: 
45.. Calvin Walraven: 
46.. Alan G. Whicher: 
47.. Duane Garrett: 
48.. Ron Brown:. 
49.. Charles Meissner: 
50.. William Colby: 
51.. Admiral Jeremy Boorda: 
52.. Lance Herndon: 
53.. Neil Moody: 
54.. Barbara Wise: 
55.. Doug Adams: 
56.. Mary C. Mahoney: 
57.. Ronald Miller: 
58.. Sandy Hume: 
59.. Jim McDougal: 
60.. Johnny Lawhon: 
61.. Charles Wilbourne Miller: 
62.. Carlos Ghigliotti: 
63.. Tony Moser:  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some were 
legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your right. I do 
not.

  On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

  He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions. 
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly 
'spenders'


  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.


  On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:


  Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often 
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.

  On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

  Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your 
looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible. 


  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.


  On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:


  Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now Waiting 
for right time to do it comrades

  On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  https://streamable.com/md28v

  I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not some 
kind of joke taken too far...

  On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..  
  
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751

  On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. The 
bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended inauguration 
Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let me Trumpspeak... So 
sad. 

  On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

  there is this gem now

[AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

The more medical research I do, the more history I read, the more I'm
rapidly coming to the belief that the increase in processed sugar in the
1940s and beyond in American foods has had a hugely negative effect on our
current social, mental health, medical, and political issues. Not that it's
the root cause (way too many factors), but it's definitely a huge
contributing factor.

Has anybody else looked up any research on this lately?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?


All claptrap (not my description).

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

bp


On 1/22/2017 2:49 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

They’re really really good at it.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Witnesses? One? That many hit jobs would have a leak. Somewhere. None 
exist.


bp


On 1/22/2017 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Fact Bill, they are dead and they all had harmed or could have harmed 
Bill or Hillary.
Just go through the list one by one.  Some of it related to Waco.  
Many related to Whitewater or Monica.

Remember Vince Foster?
One or three could be a coincidence.  10 perhaps just a series of 
unfortunate and unrelated events, but 63 of them?  Just happenstance?

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Give. Me. A. Break.

bp


On 1/22/2017 2:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people 
are as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans 
on the Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.
So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet 
heard of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.


 1. Susan Coleman:
 2. Larry Guerrin:
 3. Kevin Ives
 4. Don Henry:
 5. Keith Coney:
 6. Keith McKaskle:
 7. Gregory Collins:
 8. Jeff Rhodes:
 9. James Milam:
10. Richard Winters:
11. Jordan Kettleson:
12. Alan Standorf:
13. Dennis Eisman: .
14. Danny Casalaro:
15. Victor Raiser:
16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
17. Paul Tully:
18. Ian Spiro:
19. Paula Gober:
20. Jim Wilhite:
21. Steve Willis,
22. Robert Williams,
23. Todd McKeahan
24. Conway LeBleu:
25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
27. Maj. William Barkley,
28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
29. John Crawford:
30. John Wilson:
31. Paul Wilcher:
32. Vincent Foster:
33. Jon Parnell Walker:
34. Stanley Heard
35. Steven Dickson:
36. Jerry Luther Parks:
37. Ed Willey:
38. Gandy Baugh:
39. Herschell Friday:
40. Ronald Rogers:
41. Kathy Furguson:
42. Bill Shelton:
43. Stanley Huggins:
44. Paul Olson:
45. Calvin Walraven:
46. Alan G. Whicher:
47. Duane Garrett:
48. Ron Brown:.
49. Charles Meissner:
50. William Colby:
51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
52. Lance Herndon:
53. Neil Moody:
54. Barbara Wise:
55. Doug Adams:
56. Mary C. Mahoney:
57. Ronald Miller:
58. Sandy Hume:
59. Jim McDougal:
60. Johnny Lawhon:
61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
63. Tony Moser:

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. 
Some were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and 
that's your right. I do not.
On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good 
decisions. Historically that's not been common in politics. It's 
always been mostly 'spenders'

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com wrote:
Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it 
often happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if 
your looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Empty promises just like his brain. But it's okay to grope now 
Waiting for right time to do it comrades
On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com wrote:

https://streamable.com/md28v
I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is 
not some kind of joke taken too far...
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751
On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house 
website. The bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half 
attended inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is 
bruised.  Let me Trumpspeak... So sad.
On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

there is this gem now
http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
mailto:s...@genias.net wrote:
Today we’ve great possibilities

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in some
way with the JFK assassination?

On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are as
dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the
Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.

So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard of
anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.

   1. Susan Coleman:
   2. Larry Guerrin:
   3. Kevin Ives
   4. Don Henry:
   5. Keith Coney:
   6. Keith McKaskle:
   7. Gregory Collins:
   8. Jeff Rhodes:
   9. James Milam:
   10. Richard Winters:
   11. Jordan Kettleson:
   12. Alan Standorf:
   13. Dennis Eisman: .
   14. Danny Casalaro:
   15. Victor Raiser:
   16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
   17. Paul Tully:
   18. Ian Spiro:
   19. Paula Gober:
   20. Jim Wilhite:
   21. Steve Willis,
   22. Robert Williams,
   23. Todd McKeahan
   24. Conway LeBleu:
   25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
   26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
   27. Maj. William Barkley,
   28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
   29. John Crawford:
   30. John Wilson:
   31. Paul Wilcher:
   32. Vincent Foster:
   33. Jon Parnell Walker:
   34. Stanley Heard
   35. Steven Dickson:
   36. Jerry Luther Parks:
   37. Ed Willey:
   38. Gandy Baugh:
   39. Herschell Friday:
   40. Ronald Rogers:
   41. Kathy Furguson:
   42. Bill Shelton:
   43. Stanley Huggins:
   44. Paul Olson:
   45. Calvin Walraven:
   46. Alan G. Whicher:
   47. Duane Garrett:
   48. Ron Brown:.
   49. Charles Meissner:
   50. William Colby:
   51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
   52. Lance Herndon:
   53. Neil Moody:
   54. Barbara Wise:
   55. Doug Adams:
   56. Mary C. Mahoney:
   57. Ronald Miller:
   58. Sandy Hume:
   59. Jim McDougal:
   60. Johnny Lawhon:
   61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
   62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
   63. Tony Moser:


From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some were
legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your right. I
do not.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions.
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly
'spenders'


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:


Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your
looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:


Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now
Waiting for right time to do it comrades

On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

https://streamable.com/md28v

I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not
some kind of joke taken too far...

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.
huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751

On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. The
bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended
inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let
me Trumpspeak... So sad.

On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

there is this gem now
http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:


Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very difficult to
get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to be very biased
even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ media in USA is biased,
too.

E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where it was
clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is unthinkable
here. It would be the one point which would dominate the discussion and
would make him unvotable here. Your media seemed to move the discussion
away from this fact and relativated his guilty to make him votable.

Another example is the Hillary Email discussion. This is a topic which is
minor at best but was discussed the whole time.

I guess it is possible Trump kills a person in TV and get reelected if
media

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

They’re really really good at it.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Witnesses? One? That many hit jobs would have a leak. Somewhere. None exist.

bp

On 1/22/2017 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Fact Bill, they are dead and they all had harmed or could have harmed Bill or 
Hillary.
  Just go through the list one by one.  Some of it related to Waco.  Many 
related to Whitewater or Monica.
  Remember Vince Foster?

  One or three could be a coincidence.  10 perhaps just a series of unfortunate 
and unrelated events, but 63 of them?  Just happenstance?

  From: Bill Prince 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:38 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  Give. Me. A. Break.

bp

On 1/22/2017 2:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are as 
dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the Clintons or 
had information that could harm the Clintons.  

So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard of 
anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.  
  1.. Susan Coleman: 
  2.. Larry Guerrin: 
  3.. Kevin Ives  
  4.. Don Henry: 
  5.. Keith Coney: 
  6.. Keith McKaskle: 
  7.. Gregory Collins: 
  8.. Jeff Rhodes: 
  9.. James Milam: 
  10.. Richard Winters: 
  11.. Jordan Kettleson: 
  12.. Alan Standorf: 
  13.. Dennis Eisman: . 
  14.. Danny Casalaro: 
  15.. Victor Raiser: 
  16.. R. Montgomery Raiser: 
  17.. Paul Tully: 
  18.. Ian Spiro: 
  19.. Paula Gober: 
  20.. Jim Wilhite: 
  21.. Steve Willis, 
  22.. Robert Williams, 
  23.. Todd McKeahan 
  24.. Conway LeBleu:   
  25.. Sgt. Brian Haney, 
  26.. Sgt. Tim Sabel, 
  27.. Maj. William Barkley, 
  28.. Capt. Scott Reynolds: 
  29.. John Crawford: 
  30.. John Wilson: 
  31.. Paul Wilcher: 
  32.. Vincent Foster: 
  33.. Jon Parnell Walker: 
  34.. Stanley Heard 
  35.. Steven Dickson: 
  36.. Jerry Luther Parks: 
  37.. Ed Willey: 
  38.. Gandy Baugh: 
  39.. Herschell Friday: 
  40.. Ronald Rogers: 
  41.. Kathy Furguson: 
  42.. Bill Shelton: 
  43.. Stanley Huggins: 
  44.. Paul Olson: 
  45.. Calvin Walraven: 
  46.. Alan G. Whicher: 
  47.. Duane Garrett: 
  48.. Ron Brown:. 
  49.. Charles Meissner: 
  50.. William Colby: 
  51.. Admiral Jeremy Boorda: 
  52.. Lance Herndon: 
  53.. Neil Moody: 
  54.. Barbara Wise: 
  55.. Doug Adams: 
  56.. Mary C. Mahoney: 
  57.. Ronald Miller: 
  58.. Sandy Hume: 
  59.. Jim McDougal: 
  60.. Johnny Lawhon: 
  61.. Charles Wilbourne Miller: 
  62.. Carlos Ghigliotti: 
  63.. Tony Moser:  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some were 
legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your right. I do 
not.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler" mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net 
wrote:

He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions. 
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly 
'spenders'

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com 
wrote:

Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often 
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler" mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net 
wrote:

Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your 
looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now 
Waiting for right time to do it comrades

On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com wrote:

https://streamable.com/md28v

I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not 
some kind of joke taken too far...

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..  

https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751

On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. The

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?


Witnesses? One? That many hit jobs would have a leak. Somewhere. None exist.

bp


On 1/22/2017 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Fact Bill, they are dead and they all had harmed or could have harmed 
Bill or Hillary.
Just go through the list one by one.  Some of it related to Waco.  
Many related to Whitewater or Monica.

Remember Vince Foster?
One or three could be a coincidence.  10 perhaps just a series of 
unfortunate and unrelated events, but 63 of them? Just happenstance?

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Give. Me. A. Break.

bp


On 1/22/2017 2:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people 
are as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans 
on the Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.
So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet 
heard of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.


 1. Susan Coleman:
 2. Larry Guerrin:
 3. Kevin Ives
 4. Don Henry:
 5. Keith Coney:
 6. Keith McKaskle:
 7. Gregory Collins:
 8. Jeff Rhodes:
 9. James Milam:
10. Richard Winters:
11. Jordan Kettleson:
12. Alan Standorf:
13. Dennis Eisman: .
14. Danny Casalaro:
15. Victor Raiser:
16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
17. Paul Tully:
18. Ian Spiro:
19. Paula Gober:
20. Jim Wilhite:
21. Steve Willis,
22. Robert Williams,
23. Todd McKeahan
24. Conway LeBleu:
25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
27. Maj. William Barkley,
28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
29. John Crawford:
30. John Wilson:
31. Paul Wilcher:
32. Vincent Foster:
33. Jon Parnell Walker:
34. Stanley Heard
35. Steven Dickson:
36. Jerry Luther Parks:
37. Ed Willey:
38. Gandy Baugh:
39. Herschell Friday:
40. Ronald Rogers:
41. Kathy Furguson:
42. Bill Shelton:
43. Stanley Huggins:
44. Paul Olson:
45. Calvin Walraven:
46. Alan G. Whicher:
47. Duane Garrett:
48. Ron Brown:.
49. Charles Meissner:
50. William Colby:
51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
52. Lance Herndon:
53. Neil Moody:
54. Barbara Wise:
55. Doug Adams:
56. Mary C. Mahoney:
57. Ronald Miller:
58. Sandy Hume:
59. Jim McDougal:
60. Johnny Lawhon:
61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
63. Tony Moser:

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. 
Some were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and 
that's your right. I do not.
On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions. 
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been 
mostly 'spenders'

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com wrote:
Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it 
often happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if 
your looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now 
Waiting for right time to do it comrades
On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com 
wrote:

https://streamable.com/md28v
I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is 
not some kind of joke taken too far...
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751
On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. 
The bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended 
inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  
Let me Trumpspeak... So sad.
On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

there is this gem now
http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
mailto:s...@genias.net wrote:
Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very 
difficult to get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to 
be very biased even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ 
media in USA is biased, too.
E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where 
it was clear he started a war based on wrong information.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Fact Bill, they are dead and they all had harmed or could have harmed Bill or 
Hillary.
Just go through the list one by one.  Some of it related to Waco.  Many related 
to Whitewater or Monica.
Remember Vince Foster?

One or three could be a coincidence.  10 perhaps just a series of unfortunate 
and unrelated events, but 63 of them?  Just happenstance?


From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Give. Me. A. Break.



bp


On 1/22/2017 2:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are as 
dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the Clintons or 
had information that could harm the Clintons.  

  So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard of 
anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.  
1.. Susan Coleman: 
2.. Larry Guerrin: 
3.. Kevin Ives  
4.. Don Henry: 
5.. Keith Coney: 
6.. Keith McKaskle: 
7.. Gregory Collins: 
8.. Jeff Rhodes: 
9.. James Milam: 
10.. Richard Winters: 
11.. Jordan Kettleson: 
12.. Alan Standorf: 
13.. Dennis Eisman: . 
14.. Danny Casalaro: 
15.. Victor Raiser: 
16.. R. Montgomery Raiser: 
17.. Paul Tully: 
18.. Ian Spiro: 
19.. Paula Gober: 
20.. Jim Wilhite: 
21.. Steve Willis, 
22.. Robert Williams, 
23.. Todd McKeahan 
24.. Conway LeBleu:   
25.. Sgt. Brian Haney, 
26.. Sgt. Tim Sabel, 
27.. Maj. William Barkley, 
28.. Capt. Scott Reynolds: 
29.. John Crawford: 
30.. John Wilson: 
31.. Paul Wilcher: 
32.. Vincent Foster: 
33.. Jon Parnell Walker: 
34.. Stanley Heard 
35.. Steven Dickson: 
36.. Jerry Luther Parks: 
37.. Ed Willey: 
38.. Gandy Baugh: 
39.. Herschell Friday: 
40.. Ronald Rogers: 
41.. Kathy Furguson: 
42.. Bill Shelton: 
43.. Stanley Huggins: 
44.. Paul Olson: 
45.. Calvin Walraven: 
46.. Alan G. Whicher: 
47.. Duane Garrett: 
48.. Ron Brown:. 
49.. Charles Meissner: 
50.. William Colby: 
51.. Admiral Jeremy Boorda: 
52.. Lance Herndon: 
53.. Neil Moody: 
54.. Barbara Wise: 
55.. Doug Adams: 
56.. Mary C. Mahoney: 
57.. Ronald Miller: 
58.. Sandy Hume: 
59.. Jim McDougal: 
60.. Johnny Lawhon: 
61.. Charles Wilbourne Miller: 
62.. Carlos Ghigliotti: 
63.. Tony Moser:  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some were 
legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your right. I do 
not.

  On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler" mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net 
wrote:

  He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions. 
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly 
'spenders'


  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.


  On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com wrote:


  Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often 
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.

  On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler" mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net 
wrote:

  Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your 
looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible. 


  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.


  On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
wrote:


  Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now Waiting 
for right time to do it comrades

  On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com wrote:

  https://streamable.com/md28v

  I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not some 
kind of joke taken too far...

  On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:

  Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..  
  
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751

  On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

  Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. The 
bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended inauguration 
Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let me Trumpspeak... So 
sad. 

  On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:

  there is this gem now 
  http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
  24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy

  On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt mailto:s...@genias.net 
wrote:


  Today we’ve great possibilities to spread

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?


Give. Me. A. Break.


bp


On 1/22/2017 2:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people 
are as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on 
the Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.
So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet 
heard of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.


 1. Susan Coleman:
 2. Larry Guerrin:
 3. Kevin Ives
 4. Don Henry:
 5. Keith Coney:
 6. Keith McKaskle:
 7. Gregory Collins:
 8. Jeff Rhodes:
 9. James Milam:
10. Richard Winters:
11. Jordan Kettleson:
12. Alan Standorf:
13. Dennis Eisman: .
14. Danny Casalaro:
15. Victor Raiser:
16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
17. Paul Tully:
18. Ian Spiro:
19. Paula Gober:
20. Jim Wilhite:
21. Steve Willis,
22. Robert Williams,
23. Todd McKeahan
24. Conway LeBleu:
25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
27. Maj. William Barkley,
28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
29. John Crawford:
30. John Wilson:
31. Paul Wilcher:
32. Vincent Foster:
33. Jon Parnell Walker:
34. Stanley Heard
35. Steven Dickson:
36. Jerry Luther Parks:
37. Ed Willey:
38. Gandy Baugh:
39. Herschell Friday:
40. Ronald Rogers:
41. Kathy Furguson:
42. Bill Shelton:
43. Stanley Huggins:
44. Paul Olson:
45. Calvin Walraven:
46. Alan G. Whicher:
47. Duane Garrett:
48. Ron Brown:.
49. Charles Meissner:
50. William Colby:
51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
52. Lance Herndon:
53. Neil Moody:
54. Barbara Wise:
55. Doug Adams:
56. Mary C. Mahoney:
57. Ronald Miller:
58. Sandy Hume:
59. Jim McDougal:
60. Johnny Lawhon:
61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
63. Tony Moser:

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some 
were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's 
your right. I do not.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:
He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions. 
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been 
mostly 'spenders'

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often 
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:
Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if 
your looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:
Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now 
Waiting for right time to do it comrades

On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
https://streamable.com/md28v
I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is 
not some kind of joke taken too far...
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751
On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:
Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. 
The bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended 
inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  
Let me Trumpspeak... So sad.
On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
 wrote:

there is this gem now
http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very 
difficult to get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to 
be very biased even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ 
media in USA is biased, too.
E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where 
it was clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is 
unthinkable here. It would be the one point which would dominate the 
discussion and would make him unvotable here. Your media seemed to 
move the discussion away from this fact and relativated his guilty to 
make him votable.
Another example is the Hillary Email discussion. This is a topic which 
is minor at best but was discussed the whole time.
I guess it is possible Trump kills a person in TV and get reelected if 
media helps him. Unthinkable? But killing one person is much less a 
problem than starting a war where thousands are killed. Breitbart 
would find 100 reasons why this person has to die and would find other 
topics to report.
Good and neutral media

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are as dead 
as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the Clintons or had 
information that could harm the Clintons.  

So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard of 
anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.  
  1.. Susan Coleman: 
  2.. Larry Guerrin: 
  3.. Kevin Ives  
  4.. Don Henry: 
  5.. Keith Coney: 
  6.. Keith McKaskle: 
  7.. Gregory Collins: 
  8.. Jeff Rhodes: 
  9.. James Milam: 
  10.. Richard Winters: 
  11.. Jordan Kettleson: 
  12.. Alan Standorf: 
  13.. Dennis Eisman: . 
  14.. Danny Casalaro: 
  15.. Victor Raiser: 
  16.. R. Montgomery Raiser: 
  17.. Paul Tully: 
  18.. Ian Spiro: 
  19.. Paula Gober: 
  20.. Jim Wilhite: 
  21.. Steve Willis, 
  22.. Robert Williams, 
  23.. Todd McKeahan 
  24.. Conway LeBleu:   
  25.. Sgt. Brian Haney, 
  26.. Sgt. Tim Sabel, 
  27.. Maj. William Barkley, 
  28.. Capt. Scott Reynolds: 
  29.. John Crawford: 
  30.. John Wilson: 
  31.. Paul Wilcher: 
  32.. Vincent Foster: 
  33.. Jon Parnell Walker: 
  34.. Stanley Heard 
  35.. Steven Dickson: 
  36.. Jerry Luther Parks: 
  37.. Ed Willey: 
  38.. Gandy Baugh: 
  39.. Herschell Friday: 
  40.. Ronald Rogers: 
  41.. Kathy Furguson: 
  42.. Bill Shelton: 
  43.. Stanley Huggins: 
  44.. Paul Olson: 
  45.. Calvin Walraven: 
  46.. Alan G. Whicher: 
  47.. Duane Garrett: 
  48.. Ron Brown:. 
  49.. Charles Meissner: 
  50.. William Colby: 
  51.. Admiral Jeremy Boorda: 
  52.. Lance Herndon: 
  53.. Neil Moody: 
  54.. Barbara Wise: 
  55.. Doug Adams: 
  56.. Mary C. Mahoney: 
  57.. Ronald Miller: 
  58.. Sandy Hume: 
  59.. Jim McDougal: 
  60.. Johnny Lawhon: 
  61.. Charles Wilbourne Miller: 
  62.. Carlos Ghigliotti: 
  63.. Tony Moser:  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some were 
legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your right. I do 
not.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions. 
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly 
'spenders'


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:


Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often happens 
by accident, or in spite of intelligence.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your 
looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible. 


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:


Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now Waiting 
for right time to do it comrades

On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

https://streamable.com/md28v

I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not some 
kind of joke taken too far...

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..  
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751

On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. The 
bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended inauguration 
Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let me Trumpspeak... So 
sad. 

On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

there is this gem now 
http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:


Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very difficult to get 
the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to be very biased even here 
over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ media in USA is biased, too. 

E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where it was 
clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is unthinkable here. It 
would be the one point which would dominate the discussion and would make him 
unvotable here. Your media seemed to move the discussion away from this fact 
and relativated his guilty to make him votable.

Another example is the Hillary Email discussion. This is a topic which is minor 
at best but was discussed the whole time. 

I guess it is possible Trump kills a person in TV and get reelected if media 
helps him. Unthinkable? But killing one person is much less a problem than

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some were
legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your right. I
do not.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions.
> Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly
> 'spenders'
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
> Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often
> happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:
>
>> Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your
>> looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now
>> Waiting for right time to do it comrades
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>>> https://streamable.com/md28v
>>>
>>> I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not
>>> some kind of joke taken too far...
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
 https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpo
 st.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751

 On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website.
> The bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended
> inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let
> me Trumpspeak... So sad.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> there is this gem now
>> http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
>> 24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very
>>> difficult to get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to be
>>> very biased even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ media in
>>> USA is biased, too.
>>>
>>> E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where
>>> it was clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is
>>> unthinkable here. It would be the one point which would dominate the
>>> discussion and would make him unvotable here. Your media seemed to move 
>>> the
>>> discussion away from this fact and relativated his guilty to make him
>>> votable.
>>>
>>> Another example is the Hillary Email discussion. This is a topic
>>> which is minor at best but was discussed the whole time.
>>>
>>> I guess it is possible Trump kills a person in TV and get reelected
>>> if media helps him. Unthinkable? But killing one person is much less a
>>> problem than starting a war where thousands are killed. Breitbart would
>>> find 100 reasons why this person has to die and would find other topics 
>>> to
>>> report.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good and neutral media are the base of a working democracy. For sure
>>> you have a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One
>>> Guy /sarcasm
>>> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 22. Januar 2017 07:05
>>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to
>>> effectively shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current
>>> environment. Between press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA
>>> responses, live streamed events, and one on one interviews (and
>>> yes...twitter) the press really is the dialup internet method of getting
>>> information. We know more in real time then the press could ever 
>>> package up
>>> and present. The current mindset of media in press conferences is that 
>>> of
>>> militants (both sides of the media isle) and there is zero 
>>> professionalism
>>> from either one. Neither really gives a damn what the answer is anyway,
>>> theyre going to report whatever their preconceived response was either 
>>> way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Answer: Yes
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

2017-01-22 Thread Jon Langeler

He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions. 
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly 
'spenders'

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often 
> happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:
>> Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your 
>> looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible. 
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now 
>>> Waiting for right time to do it comrades
>>> 
 On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
 https://streamable.com/md28v

 I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not 
 some kind of joke taken too far...

> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
>  wrote:
> Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this.. 
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  
>> wrote:
>> Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. 
>> The bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended 
>> inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  
>> Let me Trumpspeak... So sad. 
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> there is this gem now
>>> http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
>>> 24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy
>>> 
 On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt  
 wrote:
 Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very 
 difficult to get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to 
 be very biased even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ 
 media in USA is biased, too.

 E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where 
 it was clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is 
 unthinkable here. It would be the one point which would dominate the 
 discussion and would make him unvotable here. Your media seemed to 
 move the discussion away from this fact and relativated his guilty to 
 make him votable.

 Another example is the Hillary Email discussion. This is a topic which 
 is minor at best but was discussed the whole time.

 I guess it is possible Trump kills a person in TV and get reelected if 
 media helps him. Unthinkable? But killing one person is much less a 
 problem than starting a war where thousands are killed. Breitbart 
 would find 100 reasons why this person has to die and would find other 
 topics to report.

 Good and neutral media are the base of a working democracy. For sure 
 you have a problem.

 Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That One Guy 
 /sarcasm
 Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. Januar 2017 07:05
 An: af@afmug.com
 Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

 Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to 
 effectively shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current 
 environment. Between press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA 
 responses, live streamed events, and one on one interviews (and 
 yes...twitter) the press really is the dialup internet method of 
 getting information. We know more in real time then the press could 
 ever package up and present. The current mindset of media in press 
 conferences is that of militants (both sides of the media isle) and 
 there is zero professionalism from either one. Neither really gives a 
 damn what the answer is anyway, theyre going to report whatever their 
 preconceived response was either way.

 Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?

 Answer: Yes

 CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100 
 ISIS fighters in final days of his presidency. This act

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your
> looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now
> Waiting for right time to do it comrades
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> https://streamable.com/md28v
>>
>> I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not
>> some kind of joke taken too far...
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
>>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpo
>>> st.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website.
 The bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended
 inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let
 me Trumpspeak... So sad.

 On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> there is this gem now
> http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
> 24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
> wrote:
>
>> Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very
>> difficult to get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to be
>> very biased even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ media in
>> USA is biased, too.
>>
>> E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where
>> it was clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is
>> unthinkable here. It would be the one point which would dominate the
>> discussion and would make him unvotable here. Your media seemed to move 
>> the
>> discussion away from this fact and relativated his guilty to make him
>> votable.
>>
>> Another example is the Hillary Email discussion. This is a topic
>> which is minor at best but was discussed the whole time.
>>
>> I guess it is possible Trump kills a person in TV and get reelected
>> if media helps him. Unthinkable? But killing one person is much less a
>> problem than starting a war where thousands are killed. Breitbart would
>> find 100 reasons why this person has to die and would find other topics 
>> to
>> report.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Good and neutral media are the base of a working democracy. For sure
>> you have a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One
>> Guy /sarcasm
>> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 22. Januar 2017 07:05
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>>
>>
>>
>> Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to
>> effectively shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current
>> environment. Between press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA
>> responses, live streamed events, and one on one interviews (and
>> yes...twitter) the press really is the dialup internet method of getting
>> information. We know more in real time then the press could ever package 
>> up
>> and present. The current mindset of media in press conferences is that of
>> militants (both sides of the media isle) and there is zero 
>> professionalism
>> from either one. Neither really gives a damn what the answer is anyway,
>> theyre going to report whatever their preconceived response was either 
>> way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?
>>
>>
>>
>> Answer: Yes
>>
>>
>>
>> CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100
>> ISIS fighters in final days of his presidency. This act ensures that 
>> those
>> who would commit terror will be addressed accordingly, even during the
>> transition of power.
>>
>>
>>
>> Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military conflict
>> day before leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk during a
>> tumultuous time of transition. Kills 100, ensuring a retaliatory 
>> response.
>>
>>
>>
>> Had the same attack been authorized today:
>>
>>
>>
>> CNN under Trump: MILITARY

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?


On 1/22/2017 11:09 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


can't see why anyone cares how many showed up.  Most of the coast is 
liberal. I would be shocked if anyone who was not a democrat got any 
crowd of any size.


Only really he cares. And there are at least two or three reasons why 
the crowd was so much smaller. The coast(s) may be liberal, but it also 
is common knowledge that a liberal in Texas would be called a 
conservative on either coast.


It is amusing that he gets upset about reporters focusing on the 
negative.  Get over it. Most media is liberal, so what.  You slap them 
around for a year and a half and you expect them to focus on anything 
good?


It also depends (a lot) on what you define as "media". For every alleged 
liberal media outlet, you can pretty much find another conservative one. 
But I'm not arguing about that. One of the pieces of advice he got from 
Obama was "You better have a thick skin". He's living in a bubble of 
entirely different dimensions than what he used to control. It's out of 
his control, and he's either going to get used to it or he's going to 
auger in.


If anything will hasten his self destruction it is his manic focus on 
what anyone says about him.



No argument from me on that one.

bp

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

2017-01-22 Thread Jon Langeler

Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your 
looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now Waiting 
> for right time to do it comrades
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>> https://streamable.com/md28v
>> 
>> I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not some 
>> kind of joke taken too far...
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza  
>>> wrote:
>>> Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this.. 
>>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751
>>> 
 On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
 Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. The 
 bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended 
 inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let 
 me Trumpspeak... So sad. 
 
> On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>  wrote:
> there is this gem now
> http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
> 24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt  
>> wrote:
>> Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very difficult 
>> to get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to be very 
>> biased even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ media in USA 
>> is biased, too.
>> 
>> E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where it 
>> was clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is 
>> unthinkable here. It would be the one point which would dominate the 
>> discussion and would make him unvotable here. Your media seemed to move 
>> the discussion away from this fact and relativated his guilty to make 
>> him votable.
>> 
>> Another example is the Hillary Email discussion. This is a topic which 
>> is minor at best but was discussed the whole time.
>> 
>> I guess it is possible Trump kills a person in TV and get reelected if 
>> media helps him. Unthinkable? But killing one person is much less a 
>> problem than starting a war where thousands are killed. Breitbart would 
>> find 100 reasons why this person has to die and would find other topics 
>> to report.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Good and neutral media are the base of a working democracy. For sure you 
>> have a problem.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That One Guy 
>> /sarcasm
>> Gesendet: Sonntag, 22. Januar 2017 07:05
>> An: af@afmug.com
>> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to 
>> effectively shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current 
>> environment. Between press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA 
>> responses, live streamed events, and one on one interviews (and 
>> yes...twitter) the press really is the dialup internet method of getting 
>> information. We know more in real time then the press could ever package 
>> up and present. The current mindset of media in press conferences is 
>> that of militants (both sides of the media isle) and there is zero 
>> professionalism from either one. Neither really gives a damn what the 
>> answer is anyway, theyre going to report whatever their preconceived 
>> response was either way.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Answer: Yes
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100 ISIS 
>> fighters in final days of his presidency. This act ensures that those 
>> who would commit terror will be addressed accordingly, even during the 
>> transition of power.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military conflict day 
>> before leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk during a tumultuous 
>> time of transition. Kills 100, ensuring a retaliatory response.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Had the same attack been authorized today:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> CNN under Trump: MILITARY FIASCO: Trump bombs random targets. Top 
>> military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, refuse to verify 
>> there were no civilian casualties, at least 100 confirmed dead. War

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now
Waiting for right time to do it comrades

On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> https://streamable.com/md28v
>
> I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not
> some kind of joke taken too far...
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpo
>> st.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website.
>>> The bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended
>>> inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let
>>> me Trumpspeak... So sad.
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 there is this gem now
 http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
 24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy

 On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
 wrote:

> Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very
> difficult to get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to be
> very biased even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ media in
> USA is biased, too.
>
> E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where
> it was clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is
> unthinkable here. It would be the one point which would dominate the
> discussion and would make him unvotable here. Your media seemed to move 
> the
> discussion away from this fact and relativated his guilty to make him
> votable.
>
> Another example is the Hillary Email discussion. This is a topic which
> is minor at best but was discussed the whole time.
>
> I guess it is possible Trump kills a person in TV and get reelected if
> media helps him. Unthinkable? But killing one person is much less a 
> problem
> than starting a war where thousands are killed. Breitbart would find 100
> reasons why this person has to die and would find other topics to report.
>
>
>
>
>
> Good and neutral media are the base of a working democracy. For sure
> you have a problem.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One Guy
> /sarcasm
> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 22. Januar 2017 07:05
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
>
>
> Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to
> effectively shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current
> environment. Between press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA
> responses, live streamed events, and one on one interviews (and
> yes...twitter) the press really is the dialup internet method of getting
> information. We know more in real time then the press could ever package 
> up
> and present. The current mindset of media in press conferences is that of
> militants (both sides of the media isle) and there is zero professionalism
> from either one. Neither really gives a damn what the answer is anyway,
> theyre going to report whatever their preconceived response was either 
> way.
>
>
>
> Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?
>
>
>
> Answer: Yes
>
>
>
> CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100
> ISIS fighters in final days of his presidency. This act ensures that those
> who would commit terror will be addressed accordingly, even during the
> transition of power.
>
>
>
> Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military conflict day
> before leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk during a tumultuous
> time of transition. Kills 100, ensuring a retaliatory response.
>
>
>
> Had the same attack been authorized today:
>
>
>
> CNN under Trump: MILITARY FIASCO: Trump bombs random targets. Top
> military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, refuse to verify
> there were no civilian casualties, at least 100 confirmed dead. War crime
> charges possible?
>
>
>
> Breitbart under Trump: God Emperor Trump  authorized the removal of
> 100 ISIS top leaders in his first act as Commander in Chief. Rumors of 
> ISIS
> surrender. Barack Obama potentially one of the dead operatives.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Jeremy 
> wrote:
>
> I'm all for it.  I think that everyone is

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Yeah. In the old days, you would get obfuscation. Now we will just get 
bald face lies.



bp


On 1/22/2017 10:59 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
There are not official records for inaugurations for crowd sizes. They 
have to look at other sources of data and make best guesses.


That said, each area of the National Mall is pretty well known to hold 
a certain number of people. It's easier when you can count the lawn 
squares.


President Trump's inaguration crowd was absent in a lot of squares, 
which either means the previous inaguration counts were way too low, 
or that this count was estimated far too high. Either way, it's still 
a blatant lie that more people were there.


It's not a big deal that less people were there, it's a big deal that 
there is irrefutable evidence that dumps the white house press 
secretary's narrative on its face.


This is a sign of things to come, and it is terrifying.



On Jan 22, 2017 12:36 PM, "Chuck McCown" > wrote:


It amazes me that an adult at the top of the political pyramid is
so immature to get butt hurt over the size of crowd that showed up.
Pretty sure D.C. is something like 80% black folk.  Having the
first black president is surely something to get stoked about if
you are black, and if you live there, why not make the effort to
go see the show.  I wonder if there are crowd size records for all
the inaugurations.
I watched the young pope first two episodes. This reminds me of
the second episode where the pope gets pissed because someone hit
in a laser pointer.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
I started reading this: http://www.justfacts.com/
Some of the statistics really rocked my socks.
-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com " 
Sent: 1/22/2017 1:05:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to
effectively shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the
current environment. Between press releases, Publicly accessible
data, FOIA responses, live streamed events, and one on one
interviews (and yes...twitter) the press really is the dialup
internet method of getting information. We know more in real time
then the press could ever package up and present. The current
mindset of media in press conferences is that of militants (both
sides of the media isle) and there is zero professionalism from
either one. Neither really gives a damn what the answer is
anyway, theyre going to report whatever their preconceived
response was either way.
Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?
Answer: Yes
CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing
100 ISIS fighters in final days of his presidency. This act
ensures that those who would commit terror will be addressed
accordingly, even during the transition of power.
Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military
conflict day before leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk
during a tumultuous time of transition. Kills 100, ensuring a
retaliatory response.
Had the same attack been authorized today:
CNN under Trump: MILITARY FIASCO: Trump bombs random targets. Top
military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, refuse to
verify there were no civilian casualties, at least 100 confirmed
dead. War crime charges possible?
Breitbart under Trump: God Emperor Trump authorized the removal
of 100 ISIS top leaders in his first act as Commander in Chief.
Rumors of ISIS surrender. Barack Obama potentially one of the
dead operatives.
On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Jeremy 
wrote:

I'm all for it.  I think that everyone is probably just
impressed by the first white house press briefing and the
remarks at Langley.  What an amazing public speaker this one
is. Have you ever had a friend or friend's uncle or something
who did too much meth?  You know how they start out with one
sentence and then before you know it they have told fifteen
other stories before they ever get to the point...if they
ever do???  We have four years of that to look forward to. 
Just watch the full speech at the CIA, you will see what I

mean.  Or don'tsave yourself the pain.
On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:

Can we talk about politics yet? :P



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

There are not official records for inaugurations for crowd sizes. They have
to look at other sources of data and make best guesses.

That said, each area of the National Mall is pretty well known to hold a
certain number of people. It's easier when you can count the lawn squares.

President Trump's inaguration crowd was absent in a lot of squares, which
either means the previous inaguration counts were way too low, or that this
count was estimated far too high. Either way, it's still a blatant lie that
more people were there.

It's not a big deal that less people were there, it's a big deal that there
is irrefutable evidence that dumps the white house press secretary's
narrative on its face.

This is a sign of things to come, and it is terrifying.



On Jan 22, 2017 12:36 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> It amazes me that an adult at the top of the political pyramid is so
> immature to get butt hurt over the size of crowd that showed up.
>
> Pretty sure D.C. is something like 80% black folk.  Having the first black
> president is surely something to get stoked about if you are black, and if
> you live there, why not make the effort to go see the show.  I wonder if
> there are crowd size records for all the inaugurations.
>
> I watched the young pope first two episodes.  This reminds me of the
> second episode where the pope gets pissed because someone hit in a laser
> pointer.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> I started reading this: http://www.justfacts.com/
> Some of the statistics really rocked my socks.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 1/22/2017 1:05:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
>
> Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to effectively
> shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current environment.
> Between press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA responses, live
> streamed events, and one on one interviews (and yes...twitter) the press
> really is the dialup internet method of getting information. We know more
> in real time then the press could ever package up and present. The current
> mindset of media in press conferences is that of militants (both sides of
> the media isle) and there is zero professionalism from either one. Neither
> really gives a damn what the answer is anyway, theyre going to report
> whatever their preconceived response was either way.
>
> Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?
>
> Answer: Yes
>
> CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100 ISIS
> fighters in final days of his presidency. This act ensures that those who
> would commit terror will be addressed accordingly, even during the
> transition of power.
>
> Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military conflict day
> before leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk during a tumultuous
> time of transition. Kills 100, ensuring a retaliatory response.
>
> Had the same attack been authorized today:
>
> CNN under Trump: MILITARY FIASCO: Trump bombs random targets. Top military
> officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, refuse to verify there were
> no civilian casualties, at least 100 confirmed dead. War crime charges
> possible?
>
> Breitbart under Trump: God Emperor Trump  authorized the removal of 100
> ISIS top leaders in his first act as Commander in Chief. Rumors of ISIS
> surrender. Barack Obama potentially one of the dead operatives.
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> I'm all for it.  I think that everyone is probably just impressed by the
>> first white house press briefing and the remarks at Langley.  What an
>> amazing public speaker this one is.  Have you ever had a friend or friend's
>> uncle or something who did too much meth?  You know how they start out with
>> one sentence and then before you know it they have told fifteen other
>> stories before they ever get to the point...if they ever do???  We have
>> four years of that to look forward to.  Just watch the full speech at the
>> CIA, you will see what I mean.  Or don'tsave yourself the pain.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can we talk about politics yet? :P
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

It amazes me that an adult at the top of the political pyramid is so immature 
to get butt hurt over the size of crowd that showed up.

Pretty sure D.C. is something like 80% black folk.  Having the first black 
president is surely something to get stoked about if you are black, and if you 
live there, why not make the effort to go see the show.  I wonder if there are 
crowd size records for all the inaugurations.  

I watched the young pope first two episodes.  This reminds me of the second 
episode where the pope gets pissed because someone hit in a laser pointer.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 11:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

I started reading this: http://www.justfacts.com/
Some of the statistics really rocked my socks. 


-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 1/22/2017 1:05:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to effectively 
shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current environment. Between 
press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA responses, live streamed events, 
and one on one interviews (and yes...twitter) the press really is the dialup 
internet method of getting information. We know more in real time then the 
press could ever package up and present. The current mindset of media in press 
conferences is that of militants (both sides of the media isle) and there is 
zero professionalism from either one. Neither really gives a damn what the 
answer is anyway, theyre going to report whatever their preconceived response 
was either way. 

  Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?

  Answer: Yes

  CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100 ISIS 
fighters in final days of his presidency. This act ensures that those who would 
commit terror will be addressed accordingly, even during the transition of 
power.

  Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military conflict day before 
leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk during a tumultuous time of 
transition. Kills 100, ensuring a retaliatory response.

  Had the same attack been authorized today:

  CNN under Trump: MILITARY FIASCO: Trump bombs random targets. Top military 
officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, refuse to verify there were no 
civilian casualties, at least 100 confirmed dead. War crime charges possible?

  Breitbart under Trump: God Emperor Trump  authorized the removal of 100 ISIS 
top leaders in his first act as Commander in Chief. Rumors of ISIS surrender. 
Barack Obama potentially one of the dead operatives.

  On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

I'm all for it.  I think that everyone is probably just impressed by the 
first white house press briefing and the remarks at Langley.  What an amazing 
public speaker this one is.  Have you ever had a friend or friend's uncle or 
something who did too much meth?  You know how they start out with one sentence 
and then before you know it they have told fifteen other stories before they 
ever get to the point...if they ever do???  We have four years of that to look 
forward to.  Just watch the full speech at the CIA, you will see what I mean.  
Or don'tsave yourself the pain.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

  Can we talk about politics yet? :P






  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

2017-01-22 Thread Colin Stanners

https://streamable.com/md28v

I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not
some kind of joke taken too far...

On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.
> huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. The
>> bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended
>> inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let
>> me Trumpspeak... So sad.
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> there is this gem now
>>> http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
>>> 24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very
 difficult to get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to be
 very biased even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ media in
 USA is biased, too.

 E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where it
 was clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is unthinkable
 here. It would be the one point which would dominate the discussion and
 would make him unvotable here. Your media seemed to move the discussion
 away from this fact and relativated his guilty to make him votable.

 Another example is the Hillary Email discussion. This is a topic which
 is minor at best but was discussed the whole time.

 I guess it is possible Trump kills a person in TV and get reelected if
 media helps him. Unthinkable? But killing one person is much less a problem
 than starting a war where thousands are killed. Breitbart would find 100
 reasons why this person has to die and would find other topics to report.

 Good and neutral media are the base of a working democracy. For sure
 you have a problem.

 *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 22. Januar 2017 07:05
 *An:* af@afmug.com
 *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

 Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to
 effectively shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current
 environment. Between press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA
 responses, live streamed events, and one on one interviews (and
 yes...twitter) the press really is the dialup internet method of getting
 information. We know more in real time then the press could ever package up
 and present. The current mindset of media in press conferences is that of
 militants (both sides of the media isle) and there is zero professionalism
 from either one. Neither really gives a damn what the answer is anyway,
 theyre going to report whatever their preconceived response was either way.

 Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?

 Answer: Yes

 CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100
 ISIS fighters in final days of his presidency. This act ensures that those
 who would commit terror will be addressed accordingly, even during the
 transition of power.

 Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military conflict day
 before leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk during a tumultuous
 time of transition. Kills 100, ensuring a retaliatory response.

 Had the same attack been authorized today:

 CNN under Trump: MILITARY FIASCO: Trump bombs random targets. Top
 military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, refuse to verify
 there were no civilian casualties, at least 100 confirmed dead. War crime
 charges possible?

 Breitbart under Trump: God Emperor Trump  authorized the removal of 100
 ISIS top leaders in his first act as Commander in Chief. Rumors of ISIS
 surrender. Barack Obama potentially one of the dead operatives.

 On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Jeremy 
 wrote:

 I'm all for it.  I think that everyone is probably just impressed by
 the first white house press briefing and the remarks at Langley.  What an
 amazing public speaker this one is.  Have you ever had a friend or friend's
 uncle or something who did too much meth?  You know how they start out with
 one sentence and then before you know it they have told fifteen other
 stories

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Do some fact checking and research on that site :)



On Jan 22, 2017 12:22 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> I started reading this: http://www.justfacts.com/
> Some of the statistics really rocked my socks.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 1/22/2017 1:05:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to effectively
> shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current environment.
> Between press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA responses, live
> streamed events, and one on one interviews (and yes...twitter) the press
> really is the dialup internet method of getting information. We know more
> in real time then the press could ever package up and present. The current
> mindset of media in press conferences is that of militants (both sides of
> the media isle) and there is zero professionalism from either one. Neither
> really gives a damn what the answer is anyway, theyre going to report
> whatever their preconceived response was either way.
>
> Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?
>
> Answer: Yes
>
> CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100 ISIS
> fighters in final days of his presidency. This act ensures that those who
> would commit terror will be addressed accordingly, even during the
> transition of power.
>
> Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military conflict day
> before leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk during a tumultuous
> time of transition. Kills 100, ensuring a retaliatory response.
>
> Had the same attack been authorized today:
>
> CNN under Trump: MILITARY FIASCO: Trump bombs random targets. Top military
> officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, refuse to verify there were
> no civilian casualties, at least 100 confirmed dead. War crime charges
> possible?
>
> Breitbart under Trump: God Emperor Trump  authorized the removal of 100
> ISIS top leaders in his first act as Commander in Chief. Rumors of ISIS
> surrender. Barack Obama potentially one of the dead operatives.
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> I'm all for it.  I think that everyone is probably just impressed by the
>> first white house press briefing and the remarks at Langley.  What an
>> amazing public speaker this one is.  Have you ever had a friend or friend's
>> uncle or something who did too much meth?  You know how they start out with
>> one sentence and then before you know it they have told fifteen other
>> stories before they ever get to the point...if they ever do???  We have
>> four years of that to look forward to.  Just watch the full speech at the
>> CIA, you will see what I mean.  Or don'tsave yourself the pain.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can we talk about politics yet? :P
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 SNMP Miles

Index of refraction is pretty constant with frequency, it is roughly equivalent 
to dielectric constant and permittivity.
But angle of refraction does change with frequency.  Snell’s law.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 10:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 SNMP Miles

6205ft / 126 = 49ft
I remembered the right multiplierbut apparently I made up the reason.  The 
multiplier was different for 900mhz.  I don't remember about 2.4ghz.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the index of refraction vary with 
wavelength?  Isn't that why a prism makes a rainbow?  If so, then the speed of 
5.8ghz microwave through air would be different than simply "speed of light".  
Is it still close enough for these girls you mention?

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/20/2017 11:51:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 SNMP Miles

  OK, round trip would be 6205 x 2 or 12410 nS in a vacuum.  But it is a bit 
slower in air.  Close enough for the girls we go with.  

  From: Steve Utick 
  Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 9:45 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 SNMP Miles

  For reference, I checked a PTP450 radio here.  It shows An Air Delay of 126 
bits, 12625 ns and 1.175 miles (6205 feet)

  On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

I don't know if this is still true, but it used to be that air delay was a 
count of 10 nanosecond intervals, and if you multiplied by 49 feet you'd get 
the actual range. 

49 ft/10ns being the speed of the signal through the medium.

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Utick" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/20/2017 6:09:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 SNMP Miles

  Air Delay on the PTP450 is at:  .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.4.1.24.2

  The current round trip air delay in bits measured between the AP and SM.

  On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Matt  wrote:

Anyone know how to pull link miles from a PTP450 link master using SNMP?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

I started reading this: http://www.justfacts.com/
Some of the statistics really rocked my socks.

-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 1/22/2017 1:05:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to 
effectively shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current 
environment. Between press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA 
responses, live streamed events, and one on one interviews (and 
yes...twitter) the press really is the dialup internet method of 
getting information. We know more in real time then the press could 
ever package up and present. The current mindset of media in press 
conferences is that of militants (both sides of the media isle) and 
there is zero professionalism from either one. Neither really gives a 
damn what the answer is anyway, theyre going to report whatever their 
preconceived response was either way.

Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?

Answer: Yes

CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100 
ISIS fighters in final days of his presidency. This act ensures that 
those who would commit terror will be addressed accordingly, even 
during the transition of power.

Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military conflict day 
before leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk during a 
tumultuous time of transition. Kills 100, ensuring a retaliatory 
response.

Had the same attack been authorized today:

CNN under Trump: MILITARY FIASCO: Trump bombs random targets. Top 
military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, refuse to 
verify there were no civilian casualties, at least 100 confirmed dead. 
War crime charges possible?

Breitbart under Trump: God Emperor Trump  authorized the removal of 100 
ISIS top leaders in his first act as Commander in Chief. Rumors of ISIS 
surrender. Barack Obama potentially one of the dead operatives.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Jeremy  
wrote:
I'm all for it.  I think that everyone is probably just impressed by 
the first white house press briefing and the remarks at Langley.  What 
an amazing public speaker this one is.  Have you ever had a friend or 
friend's uncle or something who did too much meth?  You know how they 
start out with one sentence and then before you know it they have told 
fifteen other stories before they ever get to the point...if they ever 
do???  We have four years of that to look forward to.  Just watch the 
full speech at the CIA, you will see what I mean.  Or don'tsave 
yourself the pain.

On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

Can we talk about politics yet? :P

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Drone strikes hit today in Yemen... Just FYI :P

On Jan 22, 2017 12:05 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to effectively
> shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current environment.
> Between press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA responses, live
> streamed events, and one on one interviews (and yes...twitter) the press
> really is the dialup internet method of getting information. We know more
> in real time then the press could ever package up and present. The current
> mindset of media in press conferences is that of militants (both sides of
> the media isle) and there is zero professionalism from either one. Neither
> really gives a damn what the answer is anyway, theyre going to report
> whatever their preconceived response was either way.
>
> Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?
>
> Answer: Yes
>
> CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100 ISIS
> fighters in final days of his presidency. This act ensures that those who
> would commit terror will be addressed accordingly, even during the
> transition of power.
>
> Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military conflict day
> before leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk during a tumultuous
> time of transition. Kills 100, ensuring a retaliatory response.
>
> Had the same attack been authorized today:
>
> CNN under Trump: MILITARY FIASCO: Trump bombs random targets. Top military
> officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, refuse to verify there were
> no civilian casualties, at least 100 confirmed dead. War crime charges
> possible?
>
> Breitbart under Trump: God Emperor Trump  authorized the removal of 100
> ISIS top leaders in his first act as Commander in Chief. Rumors of ISIS
> surrender. Barack Obama potentially one of the dead operatives.
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> I'm all for it.  I think that everyone is probably just impressed by the
>> first white house press briefing and the remarks at Langley.  What an
>> amazing public speaker this one is.  Have you ever had a friend or friend's
>> uncle or something who did too much meth?  You know how they start out with
>> one sentence and then before you know it they have told fifteen other
>> stories before they ever get to the point...if they ever do???  We have
>> four years of that to look forward to.  Just watch the full speech at the
>> CIA, you will see what I mean.  Or don'tsave yourself the pain.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can we talk about politics yet? :P
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 SNMP Miles

Probably depends on how anal you are, or wish to be. I don't get too 
hung up on parsing the speed of light through various normal mediums.


It's even been proven you can stop light altogether in the right medium, 
at least temporarily: 
(https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/162289-light-stopped-completely-for-a-minute-inside-a-crystal-the-basis-of-quantum-memory).



bp


On 1/22/2017 9:33 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

6205ft / 126 = 49ft
I remembered the right multiplierbut apparently I made up the 
reason. The multiplier was different for 900mhz.  I don't remember 
about 2.4ghz.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the index of refraction vary with 
wavelength?  Isn't that why a prism makes a rainbow?  If so, then the 
speed of 5.8ghz microwave through air would be different than simply 
"speed of light".  Is it still close enough for these girls you mention?




-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 1/20/2017 11:51:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 SNMP Miles

OK, round trip would be 6205 x 2 or 12410 nS in a vacuum.  But it is 
a bit slower in air.  Close enough for the girls we go with.

*From:* Steve Utick
*Sent:* Friday, January 20, 2017 9:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 SNMP Miles
For reference, I checked a PTP450 radio here.  It shows An Air Delay 
of 126 bits, 12625 ns and 1.175 miles (6205 feet)


On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:


I don't know if this is still true, but it used to be that air
delay was a count of 10 nanosecond intervals, and if you
multiplied by 49 feet you'd get the actual range.
49 ft/10ns being the speed of the signal through the medium.
-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Utick" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/20/2017 6:09:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 SNMP Miles

Air Delay on the PTP450 is at:  .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.4.1.24.2

The current round trip air delay in bits measured between the AP
and SM.

On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Matt
 wrote:

Anyone know how to pull link miles from a PTP450 link master
using SNMP?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

I'm amazed at the new white house press secretary flat out fucking lying
about how many people were at the inauguration. What fucking balls! LOL.
There is time lapse video from several sources.. pictures from previous
events, etc.

That said, this transition is fucking terrifying.

Very few nuclear and security positions filled... That's a problem. There
will be gaps of 6 months to a year before people will ever show up to work
after having their names thrown in, let alone get up to speed.

A lot of the people he wants confirmed it seems have _serious_ ethics
issues.

I actually want to give Trump a chance. I think it's the right thing to do.

So far, he's breaking all of his campaign promises and not draining the
swamp but making it far, far worse.

The only people that have been submitted for consideration besides ole Mad
Dog (great pick btw) are business associates, other billionaires and
super-millionaires, etc... People that have him a lot of money for his
campaign, were in business deals with him, etc.

"Obama founded ISIS. He's the founder." Talks about how the policy against
ISIS is terrible, he knows exactly how to handle it, etc. Then keeps the
Obama strategy architect against ISIS with no plan on how to replace him.

"We're going to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it."

American people will now be paying for said wall.

"From day one, no more amnesty, we'll be rounding them up and shipping them
out " (Paraphrased)

No action there...

"On day one we'll be cancelling Executive Orders for X"

(Nothing yet...)

Lock her up! Lock her up!

(No going to do it...)

"I'll release my tax returns"

(Nope... And it may be because of the IRS, I'll give him that..)

"I'll be removing myself from my business involvement"

(Not quite... He's turning some functions over to his kids and then having
them involved in policy mettings...)

The irony of this, and how messed up it all is would be hilarious if it
wasn't so terrifying.

I feel like this campaign was ran on WWE style promos and done as a
business decision.

He's still getting settled in, but things sure aren't looking good...

On Jan 22, 2017 8:43 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.
> huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. The
>> bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended
>> inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let
>> me Trumpspeak... So sad.
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> there is this gem now
>>> http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
>>> 24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very
 difficult to get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to be
 very biased even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ media in
 USA is biased, too.

 E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where it
 was clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is unthinkable
 here. It would be the one point which would dominate the discussion and
 would make him unvotable here. Your media seemed to move the discussion
 away from this fact and relativated his guilty to make him votable.

 Another example is the Hillary Email discussion. This is a topic which
 is minor at best but was discussed the whole time.

 I guess it is possible Trump kills a person in TV and get reelected if
 media helps him. Unthinkable? But killing one person is much less a problem
 than starting a war where thousands are killed. Breitbart would find 100
 reasons why this person has to die and would find other topics to report.

 Good and neutral media are the base of a working democracy. For sure
 you have a problem.

 *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One Guy
 /sarcasm
 *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 22. Januar 2017 07:05
 *An:* af@afmug.com
 *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

 Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to
 effectively shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current
 environment. Between press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA
 responses, live streamed events, and one on one interviews (and
 yes...twitter) the press really is the dialup internet method of getting
 information. We know more in real time then the press could ever package up
 and present. The current

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 SNMP Miles


6205ft / 126 = 49ft
I remembered the right multiplierbut apparently I made up the 
reason.  The multiplier was different for 900mhz.  I don't remember 
about 2.4ghz.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the index of refraction vary with 
wavelength?  Isn't that why a prism makes a rainbow?  If so, then the 
speed of 5.8ghz microwave through air would be different than simply 
"speed of light".  Is it still close enough for these girls you mention?




-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/20/2017 11:51:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 SNMP Miles

OK, round trip would be 6205 x 2 or 12410 nS in a vacuum.  But it is a 
bit slower in air.  Close enough for the girls we go with.


From:Steve Utick
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 9:45 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 SNMP Miles

For reference, I checked a PTP450 radio here.  It shows An Air Delay of 
126 bits, 12625 ns and 1.175 miles (6205 feet)



On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
I don't know if this is still true, but it used to be that air delay 
was a count of 10 nanosecond intervals, and if you multiplied by 49 
feet you'd get the actual range.


49 ft/10ns being the speed of the signal through the medium.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Utick" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/20/2017 6:09:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 SNMP Miles


Air Delay on the PTP450 is at:  .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.4.1.24.2

The current round trip air delay in bits measured between the AP and 
SM.



On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 8:19 AM, Matt  
wrote:
Anyone know how to pull link miles from a PTP450 link master using 
SNMP?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751

On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. The
> bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended
> inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let
> me Trumpspeak... So sad.
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> there is this gem now
>> http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
>> 24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>>
>>> Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very difficult
>>> to get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to be very biased
>>> even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ media in USA is biased,
>>> too.
>>>
>>> E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where it
>>> was clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is unthinkable
>>> here. It would be the one point which would dominate the discussion and
>>> would make him unvotable here. Your media seemed to move the discussion
>>> away from this fact and relativated his guilty to make him votable.
>>>
>>> Another example is the Hillary Email discussion. This is a topic which
>>> is minor at best but was discussed the whole time.
>>>
>>> I guess it is possible Trump kills a person in TV and get reelected if
>>> media helps him. Unthinkable? But killing one person is much less a problem
>>> than starting a war where thousands are killed. Breitbart would find 100
>>> reasons why this person has to die and would find other topics to report.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good and neutral media are the base of a working democracy. For sure you
>>> have a problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One Guy
>>> /sarcasm
>>> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 22. Januar 2017 07:05
>>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to
>>> effectively shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current
>>> environment. Between press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA
>>> responses, live streamed events, and one on one interviews (and
>>> yes...twitter) the press really is the dialup internet method of getting
>>> information. We know more in real time then the press could ever package up
>>> and present. The current mindset of media in press conferences is that of
>>> militants (both sides of the media isle) and there is zero professionalism
>>> from either one. Neither really gives a damn what the answer is anyway,
>>> theyre going to report whatever their preconceived response was either way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Answer: Yes
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100 ISIS
>>> fighters in final days of his presidency. This act ensures that those who
>>> would commit terror will be addressed accordingly, even during the
>>> transition of power.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military conflict day
>>> before leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk during a tumultuous
>>> time of transition. Kills 100, ensuring a retaliatory response.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Had the same attack been authorized today:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> CNN under Trump: MILITARY FIASCO: Trump bombs random targets. Top
>>> military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, refuse to verify
>>> there were no civilian casualties, at least 100 confirmed dead. War crime
>>> charges possible?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Breitbart under Trump: God Emperor Trump  authorized the removal of 100
>>> ISIS top leaders in his first act as Commander in Chief. Rumors of ISIS
>>> surrender. Barack Obama potentially one of the dead operatives.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm all for it.  I think that everyone is probably just impressed by the
>>> first white house press briefing and the remarks at Langley.  What an
>>> amazing public speaker this one is.  Have you ever had a friend or friend's
>>> uncle or something who did too much meth?  You know how they start out with
>>> one sentence and then before you know it they have told fifteen other
>>> stories before they ever get to the point...if they ever do???  We have
>>> four years of that to look forward to.  Just watch the full speech at the
>>> CIA, you will see what I mean.  Or don'tsave yourself the pain.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can we talk about politics yet? :P
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website. The
bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended
inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.  Let
me Trumpspeak... So sad.

On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> there is this gem now
> http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
> 24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
>
>> Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very difficult
>> to get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to be very biased
>> even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“ media in USA is biased,
>> too.
>>
>> E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where it
>> was clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is unthinkable
>> here. It would be the one point which would dominate the discussion and
>> would make him unvotable here. Your media seemed to move the discussion
>> away from this fact and relativated his guilty to make him votable.
>>
>> Another example is the Hillary Email discussion. This is a topic which is
>> minor at best but was discussed the whole time.
>>
>> I guess it is possible Trump kills a person in TV and get reelected if
>> media helps him. Unthinkable? But killing one person is much less a problem
>> than starting a war where thousands are killed. Breitbart would find 100
>> reasons why this person has to die and would find other topics to report.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Good and neutral media are the base of a working democracy. For sure you
>> have a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *That One Guy
>> /sarcasm
>> *Gesendet:* Sonntag, 22. Januar 2017 07:05
>> *An:* af@afmug.com
>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>>
>>
>>
>> Im pretty confident the next few days is setting the stage to effectively
>> shutting down "media access". Im all for it in the current environment.
>> Between press releases, Publicly accessible data, FOIA responses, live
>> streamed events, and one on one interviews (and yes...twitter) the press
>> really is the dialup internet method of getting information. We know more
>> in real time then the press could ever package up and present. The current
>> mindset of media in press conferences is that of militants (both sides of
>> the media isle) and there is zero professionalism from either one. Neither
>> really gives a damn what the answer is anyway, theyre going to report
>> whatever their preconceived response was either way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Question: Did we send B52 Bombers to hit an ISIS target?
>>
>>
>>
>> Answer: Yes
>>
>>
>>
>> CNN under Obama: Obama authorizes successful airstrike removing 100 ISIS
>> fighters in final days of his presidency. This act ensures that those who
>> would commit terror will be addressed accordingly, even during the
>> transition of power.
>>
>>
>>
>> Breitbart under Obama: Obama, the snake furthers military conflict day
>> before leaving office, leaving all Americans at risk during a tumultuous
>> time of transition. Kills 100, ensuring a retaliatory response.
>>
>>
>>
>> Had the same attack been authorized today:
>>
>>
>>
>> CNN under Trump: MILITARY FIASCO: Trump bombs random targets. Top
>> military officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, refuse to verify
>> there were no civilian casualties, at least 100 confirmed dead. War crime
>> charges possible?
>>
>>
>>
>> Breitbart under Trump: God Emperor Trump  authorized the removal of 100
>> ISIS top leaders in his first act as Commander in Chief. Rumors of ISIS
>> surrender. Barack Obama potentially one of the dead operatives.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:45 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>> I'm all for it.  I think that everyone is probably just impressed by the
>> first white house press briefing and the remarks at Langley.  What an
>> amazing public speaker this one is.  Have you ever had a friend or friend's
>> uncle or something who did too much meth?  You know how they start out with
>> one sentence and then before you know it they have told fifteen other
>> stories before they ever get to the point...if they ever do???  We have
>> four years of that to look forward to.  Just watch the full speech at the
>> CIA, you will see what I mean.  Or don'tsave yourself the pain.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Can we talk about politics yet? :P
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro Upgrade

Oh, it's a pop-up. That's a great idea... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:26:20 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro Upgrade 


Have any others gotten the export in 1.2.0 to work? It says it's exporting, but 
I never get anything. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 8:40:50 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro Upgrade 


Apparently not, I had to start over with 1.2.2 and then upgrade to 1.3.0r7... I 
think it's supposed to work do an export in 1.2.0 and then import into 1.2.2, 
but I didn't bother since I hadn't done much with 1.2.0 anyway. 


On Jan 20, 2017 8:27 PM, "Sean Heskett" < af...@zirkel.us > wrote: 



Just download the 1.3.0-r7 file and thru the web interface install the upgrade. 





On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 7:23 PM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Is there no upgrade path from the on-prem 1.2.0-r1 to anything newer? It has 
the ability to take upgrade packages, but none of the upgrade packages claim to 
take an install from 1.2. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP

Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro Upgrade