Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Faisal Imtiaz]

http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=srchrtrv=SS=EN=LTPH-UM-1236-01
 

Maybe the last page table can shed some light ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:32:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

> They are telling me the 06 suffix will not work. Not understanding it.
> Don’t have any manuals so I cannot figure out if they know what they are 
> talking
> about or not.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:21 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport
> did a quick search on ebay.. quiet a few available..
> Regards.
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net

> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:58:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

>> HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units
>> HDU 409 Doublers
>> HRU 402 remote at the customer.
>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport
>> Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ?
>> (ebay or secondary markets ? )
>> Regards.
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net

>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

>>> I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops. (This is in Louisiana, 
>>> not
>>> Utah). We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply them and we are 
>>> out
>>> of cards.
>>> Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements

[Faisal Imtiaz]

not sure what magic you were hoping for ..

But the expected magic from a horn is not necessarily and improvement in signal 
level.. but an improvement in SNR, thus the ability to  achieve a much more 
consistent, higher modulation as per compared to sectors.. 

and yes there are some excellent sectors such as the RF Elements Carrier Grade 
sectors as well as the EPMP sectors by Cambium.. (you can compare the specs !.. 
F/B ratio as well as the patterns.)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Robert" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:12:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements

> I recently did a couple of tests with RF horns.   I was hoping for a lot
> and was disappointed.   I was hoping that they could be colocated
> closer than regular sectors that I use and the crosstalk signal levels
> were just about the same as the shielded sectors.   As far as the
> signals at the CPE's they were pretty good but not amazingly better for
> as small as the target area got reduced to.
> 
> On 4/10/18 6:43 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> Can i get some non fanboy real world on these guys? Btw, i hate facebook
>> groups almost as much as dslreports or the ubnt forums, this is
> > literally the only place to get legitimate product info.

Re: [AFMUG] MDU kickback structures ?

[Keefe John]

Up to 20% recurring commission.

Or sometimes they'll do one time "door fees" up to $500 per unit.

Keefe

On April 10, 2018 6:28:21 PM CDT, Jon Langeler  
wrote:
>What are some common kickback percentages to the building owner? How do
>ATT, Comcast, etc work with landlords?
>
>Thanks 
>
>Jon Langeler
>Michwave Technologies, Inc.

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements

[Sean Heskett]

I Totally agree with josh.

They have a specific purpose so if you can deploy within those parameters
they are great.

Unfortunately our area isn’t conducive to that type of deployment because
of terrain.  In the mountains you need antennas with a wider vertical beam
because your towers are on mtn peaks and some clients are same height as
the tower and other clients are on the valley floor.  It’s hard to use a
spot beam to cover all that.

In the Midwest or other flat areas I could see them being useful to spot
beam the population centers.

-Sean


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:29 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> They are great for stuff like 30/40Mhz wide, gps sync, put 4-6 on a pole
> in a subdivision  or on a tower leg kinda thing.
>
>
> If anybody thought they were for something else (ie long range), they
> didn't read the data sheets.
>
> Lightweight, low size, low wind load, perfectly circular pattern - great
> spot beams. Good F/B ratio.
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 9:12 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> I recently did a couple of tests with RF horns.   I was hoping for a lot
>> and was disappointed.   I was hoping that they could be colocated
>> closer than regular sectors that I use and the crosstalk signal levels
>> were just about the same as the shielded sectors.   As far as the
>> signals at the CPE's they were pretty good but not amazingly better for
>> as small as the target area got reduced to.
>>
>> On 4/10/18 6:43 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > Can i get some non fanboy real world on these guys? Btw, i hate facebook
>> > groups almost as much as dslreports or the ubnt forums, this is
>> > literally the only place to get legitimate product info.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements

[Steve Jones]

Thats what im looking for,, spec sheet based results, not "i did
AA" and it didnt work, or "i did ABCDEFG" AND IT GOT 400 miles at
300 mbs per sub"
I see alot of 30 degre poles with multiple antennas,  but no aftermath.
I just have no tool to plot them, though i heard link planner added them.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 9:29 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> I concur. I've only used a couple of them, because we don't have a lot of
> places where 30 degree sectors make sense, and the gain is just too low on
> the others.
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 9:12 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Low gain but no side lobes, just one spot beam.
>>
>> The 30* unit is the only one with a decent gain. If you go any wider than
>> 30* then the gain is too low in my opinion.
>>
>> But you can use lots of 30* antennas per tower and with GPS sync you can
>> Re-use channels if you need.
>>
>> 2 cents
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 7:43 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Can i get some non fanboy real world on these guys? Btw, i hate facebook
>>> groups almost as much as dslreports or the ubnt forums, this is literally
>>> the only place to get legitimate product info.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements

[Mathew Howard]

I concur. I've only used a couple of them, because we don't have a lot of
places where 30 degree sectors make sense, and the gain is just too low on
the others.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 9:12 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Low gain but no side lobes, just one spot beam.
>
> The 30* unit is the only one with a decent gain. If you go any wider than
> 30* then the gain is too low in my opinion.
>
> But you can use lots of 30* antennas per tower and with GPS sync you can
> Re-use channels if you need.
>
> 2 cents
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 7:43 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Can i get some non fanboy real world on these guys? Btw, i hate facebook
>> groups almost as much as dslreports or the ubnt forums, this is literally
>> the only place to get legitimate product info.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements

[Josh Reynolds]

They are great for stuff like 30/40Mhz wide, gps sync, put 4-6 on a pole in
a subdivision  or on a tower leg kinda thing.


If anybody thought they were for something else (ie long range), they
didn't read the data sheets.

Lightweight, low size, low wind load, perfectly circular pattern - great
spot beams. Good F/B ratio.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 9:12 PM Robert  wrote:

> I recently did a couple of tests with RF horns.   I was hoping for a lot
> and was disappointed.   I was hoping that they could be colocated
> closer than regular sectors that I use and the crosstalk signal levels
> were just about the same as the shielded sectors.   As far as the
> signals at the CPE's they were pretty good but not amazingly better for
> as small as the target area got reduced to.
>
> On 4/10/18 6:43 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Can i get some non fanboy real world on these guys? Btw, i hate facebook
> > groups almost as much as dslreports or the ubnt forums, this is
> > literally the only place to get legitimate product info.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements

[Robert]

I recently did a couple of tests with RF horns.   I was hoping for a lot 
and was disappointed.   I was hoping that they could be colocated 
closer than regular sectors that I use and the crosstalk signal levels 
were just about the same as the shielded sectors.   As far as the 
signals at the CPE's they were pretty good but not amazingly better for 
as small as the target area got reduced to.


On 4/10/18 6:43 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Can i get some non fanboy real world on these guys? Btw, i hate facebook 
groups almost as much as dslreports or the ubnt forums, this is 
literally the only place to get legitimate product info.

Re: [AFMUG] Rfelements

[Sean Heskett]

Low gain but no side lobes, just one spot beam.

The 30* unit is the only one with a decent gain. If you go any wider than
30* then the gain is too low in my opinion.

But you can use lots of 30* antennas per tower and with GPS sync you can
Re-use channels if you need.

2 cents

-Sean


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 7:43 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Can i get some non fanboy real world on these guys? Btw, i hate facebook
> groups almost as much as dslreports or the ubnt forums, this is literally
> the only place to get legitimate product info.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Robert]

I should take and share a pic of the local DEA installation...  ( I 
wonder if that breaks a law? ) Yeah, it's where the "goodies" are and I 
wouldn't dream of crossing that fence line...


On 4/10/18 6:38 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
As a former criminal (and suprising to most, yes a mental ward 
inhabitant) i can tell you one thing, barbed wire is nothing but a jean 
jackets cost to beat. Razor wire or nothing.


I can also tell you another thing, the more physical "barriers" the more 
valuable the content. If i saw a steel vertical fence with barbed wire 
and obscure cameras. I knew, thats where the goodies are. A cheap 
ladder, jean jacket and a paintball gun, all your shit is mine. Put up a 
plywood security shack and paint the inside of the windows with black 
spray paint and keep your lightbulbs outside operational and you keep 
your stuff.



On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 7:16 PM can...@believewireless.net 
 > wrote:


I drove by a lot yesterday that looked about as secure as you could
get. It looked like not much inside but maybe
so vehicle parking and junk vehicles. However, it had two rows of
chain link fence separated by circular razor
wire in between and on the tops of the fence. While it did seem to
be a deterrent, at least to me, I did wonder
what was inside that needed so much security.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:03 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:

I think I would use multiple fence chargers so they can’t just
short out one circuit and kill the whole fence.
Or I could go all North Korean on them
*From:* TJ Trout
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:42 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
I've seen a few "fences" lately around equipment here in
California that are 8ft-ish and has about 6 horizontal wires
that are insulated from the posts with plastic hanging signs
that say something like "danger 12,000 volts" I'm can almost
guarantee it's not lethal although they want you to think that,
too much liability. It's probably just a regular of special
fence charger, probably would be the cheapest way to build
something with the least chance of intrusion?
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Adam Moffett
 wrote:

It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.
Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards? 
My criminal trespassing days are well behind me, so I

honestly don't know.
-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

That was my thinking as well.
*From:* Mathew Howard
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd
guess that it would take less time to get through chain
link, but you're going to need a bigger cutters... and if
somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut through
either one.

But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire
at the top isn't that hard...
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince
 wrote:

Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same
difficulty to cut as chain link. Not sure which one
would be more or less difficult to get through, but
when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up
like an accordion.

I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you
described works too. Might be easier to work with.

Motion activated alarms can be effective.

-bp
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown
 wrote:

I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my
equipment yard.  Lost a few things over the years,
mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.
So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking
10’/8’ T post with hog/goat welded wire.
Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can
get them to fit) with three strands of barbed wire
angling outward.
Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
   

[AFMUG] Rfelements

[Steve Jones]

Can i get some non fanboy real world on these guys? Btw, i hate facebook
groups almost as much as dslreports or the ubnt forums, this is literally
the only place to get legitimate product info.

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Steve Jones]

As a former criminal (and suprising to most, yes a mental ward inhabitant)
i can tell you one thing, barbed wire is nothing but a jean jackets cost to
beat. Razor wire or nothing.

I can also tell you another thing, the more physical "barriers" the more
valuable the content. If i saw a steel vertical fence with barbed wire and
obscure cameras. I knew, thats where the goodies are. A cheap ladder, jean
jacket and a paintball gun, all your shit is mine. Put up a plywood
security shack and paint the inside of the windows with black spray paint
and keep your lightbulbs outside operational and you keep your stuff.


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 7:16 PM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> I drove by a lot yesterday that looked about as secure as you could get.
> It looked like not much inside but maybe
> so vehicle parking and junk vehicles. However, it had two rows of chain
> link fence separated by circular razor
> wire in between and on the tops of the fence. While it did seem to be a
> deterrent, at least to me, I did wonder
> what was inside that needed so much security.
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:03 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I think I would use multiple fence chargers so they can’t just short out
>> one circuit and kill the whole fence.
>> Or I could go all North Korean on them
>>
>> *From:* TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:42 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>>
>> I've seen a few "fences" lately around equipment here in California that
>> are 8ft-ish and has about 6 horizontal wires that are insulated from the
>> posts with plastic hanging signs that say something like "danger 12,000
>> volts" I'm can almost guarantee it's not lethal although they want you to
>> think that, too much liability. It's probably just a regular of special
>> fence charger, probably would be the cheapest way to build something with
>> the least chance of intrusion?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.
>>>
>>> Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards?  My criminal
>>> trespassing days are well behind me, so I honestly don't know.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>>>
>>>
>>> That was my thinking as well.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
>>> *To:* af
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>>>
>>> I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd guess that it
>>> would take less time to get through chain link, but you're going to need a
>>> bigger cutters... and if somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut
>>> through either one.
>>>
>>> But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire at the top
>>> isn't that hard...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to
 cut as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to
 get through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like
 an accordion.

 I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works
 too. Might be easier to work with.

 Motion activated alarms can be effective.


 -bp

 --
 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost
> a few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper
> stuff.
>
> So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with
> hog/goat welded wire.
>
> Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit)
> with three strands of barbed wire angling outward.
>
> Could do shorter.
> Could do chain link.
> Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.
>
> Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground
> except for the corners.
>
> If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.
>
> Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
>
> Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by
> working or not cameras.
> And I am doing/will do both of these.
>
> Opinions please.
>
>


>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[can...@believewireless.net]

I drove by a lot yesterday that looked about as secure as you could get. It
looked like not much inside but maybe
so vehicle parking and junk vehicles. However, it had two rows of chain
link fence separated by circular razor
wire in between and on the tops of the fence. While it did seem to be a
deterrent, at least to me, I did wonder
what was inside that needed so much security.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:03 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I think I would use multiple fence chargers so they can’t just short out
> one circuit and kill the whole fence.
> Or I could go all North Korean on them
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>
> I've seen a few "fences" lately around equipment here in California that
> are 8ft-ish and has about 6 horizontal wires that are insulated from the
> posts with plastic hanging signs that say something like "danger 12,000
> volts" I'm can almost guarantee it's not lethal although they want you to
> think that, too much liability. It's probably just a regular of special
> fence charger, probably would be the cheapest way to build something with
> the least chance of intrusion?
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.
>>
>> Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards?  My criminal
>> trespassing days are well behind me, so I honestly don't know.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>>
>>
>> That was my thinking as well.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>>
>> I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd guess that it
>> would take less time to get through chain link, but you're going to need a
>> bigger cutters... and if somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut
>> through either one.
>>
>> But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire at the top
>> isn't that hard...
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut
>>> as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get
>>> through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an
>>> accordion.
>>>
>>> I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too.
>>> Might be easier to work with.
>>>
>>> Motion activated alarms can be effective.
>>>
>>>
>>> -bp
>>>
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a
 few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper
 stuff.

 So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with
 hog/goat welded wire.

 Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with
 three strands of barbed wire angling outward.

 Could do shorter.
 Could do chain link.
 Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.

 Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground
 except for the corners.

 If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.

 Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.

 Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by
 working or not cameras.
 And I am doing/will do both of these.

 Opinions please.


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Bill Prince]

Electric fences "could" be up around 12,000 volts, although I can't think
of a good reason why. They are super-low current, but I honestly don't know
what kind of voltage they actually use.

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 4:42 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> I've seen a few "fences" lately around equipment here in California that
> are 8ft-ish and has about 6 horizontal wires that are insulated from the
> posts with plastic hanging signs that say something like "danger 12,000
> volts" I'm can almost guarantee it's not lethal although they want you to
> think that, too much liability. It's probably just a regular of special
> fence charger, probably would be the cheapest way to build something with
> the least chance of intrusion?
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.
>>
>> Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards?  My criminal
>> trespassing days are well behind me, so I honestly don't know.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>>
>> That was my thinking as well.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>>
>> I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd guess that it
>> would take less time to get through chain link, but you're going to need a
>> bigger cutters... and if somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut
>> through either one.
>>
>> But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire at the top
>> isn't that hard...
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut
>>> as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get
>>> through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an
>>> accordion.
>>>
>>> I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too.
>>> Might be easier to work with.
>>>
>>> Motion activated alarms can be effective.
>>>
>>>
>>> -bp
>>>
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a
 few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper
 stuff.

 So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with
 hog/goat welded wire.

 Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with
 three strands of barbed wire angling outward.

 Could do shorter.
 Could do chain link.
 Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.

 Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground
 except for the corners.

 If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.

 Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.

 Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by
 working or not cameras.
 And I am doing/will do both of these.

 Opinions please.


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Chuck McCown]

I think I would use multiple fence chargers so they can’t just short out one 
circuit and kill the whole fence.
Or I could go all North Korean on them

From: TJ Trout 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

I've seen a few "fences" lately around equipment here in California that are 
8ft-ish and has about 6 horizontal wires that are insulated from the posts with 
plastic hanging signs that say something like "danger 12,000 volts" I'm can 
almost guarantee it's not lethal although they want you to think that, too much 
liability. It's probably just a regular of special fence charger, probably 
would be the cheapest way to build something with the least chance of 
intrusion? 

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.

  Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards?  My criminal 
trespassing days are well behind me, so I honestly don't know. 


  -- Original Message --
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

That was my thinking as well.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd guess that it would 
take less time to get through chain link, but you're going to need a bigger 
cutters... and if somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut through 
either one. 

But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire at the top isn't 
that hard...


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut 
as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get 
through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an 
accordion.


  I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too. 
Might be easier to work with.


  Motion activated alarms can be effective.



  -bp


  --

  bp

  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


  On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a 
few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.

So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with 
hog/goat welded wire.

Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with 
three strands of barbed wire angling outward.

Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.  

Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground 
except for the corners.  

If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.  

Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.  

Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by 
working or not cameras.  
And I am doing/will do both of these.  

Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[TJ Trout]

I've seen a few "fences" lately around equipment here in California that
are 8ft-ish and has about 6 horizontal wires that are insulated from the
posts with plastic hanging signs that say something like "danger 12,000
volts" I'm can almost guarantee it's not lethal although they want you to
think that, too much liability. It's probably just a regular of special
fence charger, probably would be the cheapest way to build something with
the least chance of intrusion?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.
>
> Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards?  My criminal
> trespassing days are well behind me, so I honestly don't know.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>
> That was my thinking as well.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>
> I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd guess that it
> would take less time to get through chain link, but you're going to need a
> bigger cutters... and if somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut
> through either one.
>
> But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire at the top
> isn't that hard...
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut
>> as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get
>> through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an
>> accordion.
>>
>> I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too.
>> Might be easier to work with.
>>
>> Motion activated alarms can be effective.
>>
>>
>> -bp
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a
>>> few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with
>>> hog/goat welded wire.
>>>
>>> Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with
>>> three strands of barbed wire angling outward.
>>>
>>> Could do shorter.
>>> Could do chain link.
>>> Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.
>>>
>>> Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except
>>> for the corners.
>>>
>>> If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.
>>>
>>> Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
>>>
>>> Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by
>>> working or not cameras.
>>> And I am doing/will do both of these.
>>>
>>> Opinions please.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] MDU kickback structures ?

[Jon Langeler]

What are some common kickback percentages to the building owner? How do ATT, 
Comcast, etc work with landlords?

Thanks 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, it's definitely harder if the barbed wire angles outward... and it's
a lot scarier looking when you get up there, so you're less likely to try
it.

But yeah, there's a big difference between the kind of criminal that cuts
open, (or even climbs) a fence to steal stuff and the type that just
wanders into an open lot and starts walking off with stuff.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:37 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.
>
> Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards?  My criminal
> trespassing days are well behind me, so I honestly don't know.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>
> That was my thinking as well.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>
> I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd guess that it
> would take less time to get through chain link, but you're going to need a
> bigger cutters... and if somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut
> through either one.
>
> But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire at the top
> isn't that hard...
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut
>> as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get
>> through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an
>> accordion.
>>
>> I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too.
>> Might be easier to work with.
>>
>> Motion activated alarms can be effective.
>>
>>
>> -bp
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a
>>> few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper
>>> stuff.
>>>
>>> So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with
>>> hog/goat welded wire.
>>>
>>> Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with
>>> three strands of barbed wire angling outward.
>>>
>>> Could do shorter.
>>> Could do chain link.
>>> Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.
>>>
>>> Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except
>>> for the corners.
>>>
>>> If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.
>>>
>>> Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
>>>
>>> Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by
>>> working or not cameras.
>>> And I am doing/will do both of these.
>>>
>>> Opinions please.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Adam Moffett]

It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.

Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards?  My criminal 
trespassing days are well behind me, so I honestly don't know.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg


That was my thinking as well.

From:Mathew Howard
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
To:af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd guess that it 
would take less time to get through chain link, but you're going to 
need a bigger cutters... and if somebody wants to get in that badly, 
they'll cut through either one.


But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire at the top 
isn't that hard...


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:
Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to 
cut as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult 
to get through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds 
up like an accordion.


I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works 
too. Might be easier to work with.


Motion activated alarms can be effective.


-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  
wrote:
I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost 
a few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  
Copper stuff.


So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with 
hog/goat welded wire.


Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) 
with three strands of barbed wire angling outward.


Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.

Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground 
except for the corners.


If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.

Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.

Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by 
working or not cameras.

And I am doing/will do both of these.

Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Robert Andrews]

ohhh does it come with the spa/pool like that hitchcock thriller?

On 04/10/2018 01:32 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I have images of the party scene in One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:25 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
Did you get ballistic housings?
P.S.: I'm really amused that your office is an abandoned hospital.  No 
ordinary office would do for a person of your caliber.

-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 3:42:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
best thing we did here (we operate out of an abandoned hospital) was 
put up as big of housings for our security cameras as we could find 
and put them in very prominent locations. We went from a broken window 
or tresspass almost every other week to it being a very rare occurrence.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty
to cut as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less
difficult to get through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink,
the rest folds up like an accordion.

I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described
works too. Might be easier to work with.

Motion activated alarms can be effective.

-bp
--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown 
wrote:

I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment
yard.  Lost a few things over the years, mostly radiators,
wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.
So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T
post with hog/goat welded wire.
Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to
fit) with three strands of barbed wire angling outward.
Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.
Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the
ground except for the corners.
If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.
Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.
Followed by working or not cameras.
And I am doing/will do both of these.
Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Robert Andrews]

& a sign that says "Smile you're on camera"

On 04/10/2018 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard. Lost a 
few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc. Copper stuff.
So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with 
hog/goat welded wire.
Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with 
three strands of barbed wire angling outward.

Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.
Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except 
for the corners.

If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.
Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by 
working or not cameras.

And I am doing/will do both of these.
Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[chuck]

That was my thinking as well.

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd guess that it would 
take less time to get through chain link, but you're going to need a bigger 
cutters... and if somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut through 
either one. 

But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire at the top isn't 
that hard...


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut as 
chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get through, 
but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an accordion.


  I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too. 
Might be easier to work with.


  Motion activated alarms can be effective.



  -bp


  --

  bp

  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


  On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a few 
things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.

So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with 
hog/goat welded wire.

Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with 
three strands of barbed wire angling outward.

Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.  

Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except 
for the corners.  

If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.  

Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.  

Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by 
working or not cameras.  
And I am doing/will do both of these.  

Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium legacy case

[George Skorup]

The new 5GHz PMP450b SMs are shipping now. The 450b mid-gain is pretty 
much identical to the ePMP Force180. And 450b high-gain is an integrated 
dish like the Force200. But that's just 5GHz for now. There's still the 
2.4 450 which is the classic SM case. And the 3GHz weird-o half n half 
case. There's still lots of stock of regular 5GHz 450 SMs too.


On 4/10/2018 2:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
As far as I know, cambium is still shipping radios with that mount.  
The very latest radios are a different style, but I'm not sure they're 
even available in some bands yet. Someone who buys this stuff will 
need to confirm.


Also, keep in mind that customers like to hold onto gear until it is 
well beyond obsolete.   A not insignificant chunk of my business comes 
from products which are being used to power and/or otherwise support 
what I would consider ancient radios.  As a result I still do 
backwards testing and occasionally end up digging an old radio out of 
the archives to do interoperability testing (see the 320 thread I 
started a few days ago).


I know that the WISP I am involved with still has a healthy number of 
radios in that form factor in place.   I'm not sure if they're 
deploying any more or not.


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


I am pretty sure I was told or heard that Cambium is transitioning
totally away from the old canopy style case.
That is why I have stopped to building my little plastic clip
basic mount.
I sent out EOL to distributors but I continue to get orders.
That form factor is a dead end, right?




--
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Mathew Howard]

I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd guess that it would
take less time to get through chain link, but you're going to need a bigger
cutters... and if somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut through
either one.

But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire at the top isn't
that hard...

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut
> as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get
> through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an
> accordion.
>
> I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too.
> Might be easier to work with.
>
> Motion activated alarms can be effective.
>
>
> -bp
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a
>> few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper
>> stuff.
>>
>> So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with
>> hog/goat welded wire.
>>
>> Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with
>> three strands of barbed wire angling outward.
>>
>> Could do shorter.
>> Could do chain link.
>> Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.
>>
>> Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except
>> for the corners.
>>
>> If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.
>>
>> Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
>>
>> Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by
>> working or not cameras.
>> And I am doing/will do both of these.
>>
>> Opinions please.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[James Howard]

Are you implying that Steve spends most of his time in an abandoned looney bin?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

I have images of the party scene in One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

Did you get ballistic housings?

P.S.: I'm really amused that your office is an abandoned hospital.  No ordinary 
office would do for a person of your caliber.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 3:42:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

best thing we did here (we operate out of an abandoned hospital) was put up as 
big of housings for our security cameras as we could find and put them in very 
prominent locations. We went from a broken window or tresspass almost every 
other week to it being a very rare occurrence.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut as 
chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get through, 
but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an accordion.
I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too. Might 
be easier to work with.
Motion activated alarms can be effective.

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a few 
things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.

So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with hog/goat 
welded wire.

Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with three 
strands of barbed wire angling outward.

Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.

Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except for 
the corners.

If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.

Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.

Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by working 
or not cameras.
And I am doing/will do both of these.

Opinions please.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Chuck McCown]

They are telling me the 06 suffix will not work.  Not understanding it.
Don’t have any manuals so I cannot figure out if they know what they are 
talking about or not.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

did a quick search on ebay.. quiet a few available.. 

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:58:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units 
  HDU 409 Doublers 
  HRU 402 remote at the customer. 


  From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ? 


  (ebay or secondary markets ? )


  Regards.


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  http://www.snappytelecom.net

  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in 
Louisiana, not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply 
them and we are out of cards.
Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Chuck McCown]

I have images of the party scene in One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

Did you get ballistic housings?

P.S.: I'm really amused that your office is an abandoned hospital.  No ordinary 
office would do for a person of your caliber.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 3:42:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

  best thing we did here (we operate out of an abandoned hospital) was put up 
as big of housings for our security cameras as we could find and put them in 
very prominent locations. We went from a broken window or tresspass almost 
every other week to it being a very rare occurrence.

  On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut as 
chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get through, 
but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an accordion.


I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too. 
Might be easier to work with.


Motion activated alarms can be effective.



-bp


--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a 
few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.

  So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with 
hog/goat welded wire.

  Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with 
three strands of barbed wire angling outward.

  Could do shorter.
  Could do chain link.
  Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.  

  Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except 
for the corners.  

  If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.  

  Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.  

  Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by 
working or not cameras.  
  And I am doing/will do both of these.  

  Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Adam Moffett]

Did you get ballistic housings?

P.S.: I'm really amused that your office is an abandoned hospital.  No 
ordinary office would do for a person of your caliber.



-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 3:42:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

best thing we did here (we operate out of an abandoned hospital) was 
put up as big of housings for our security cameras as we could find and 
put them in very prominent locations. We went from a broken window or 
tresspass almost every other week to it being a very rare occurrence.


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:
Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to 
cut as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult 
to get through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds 
up like an accordion.


I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works 
too. Might be easier to work with.


Motion activated alarms can be effective.


-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  
wrote:
I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost 
a few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  
Copper stuff.


So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with 
hog/goat welded wire.


Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) 
with three strands of barbed wire angling outward.


Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.

Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground 
except for the corners.


If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.

Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.

Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by 
working or not cameras.

And I am doing/will do both of these.

Opinions please.

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Faisal Imtiaz]

did a quick search on ebay.. quiet a few available.. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:58:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

> HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units
> HDU 409 Doublers
> HRU 402 remote at the customer.
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport
> Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ?
> (ebay or secondary markets ? )
> Regards.
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net

> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

>> I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops. (This is in Louisiana, 
>> not
>> Utah). We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply them and we are 
>> out
>> of cards.
>> Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium legacy case

[Steve Jones]

this, there is no shame in forcing obsolescence. Part of the deciding
factors in finally killing old stuff is how much it costs to keep it going.
If you keep it cheap, it stays cheap and we keep doing it, putting you in
this same position after this next 500 is gone.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:25 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Make enough to make it worth your while. Then start increasing the price
> to discourage repeat abusers.
>
> -bp
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Sigh to do another run or not.
>> I gotta do 500 pcs to make it worth doing.
>>
>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:21 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium legacy case
>>
>> As far as I know, cambium is still shipping radios with that mount.  The
>> very latest radios are a different style, but I'm not sure they're even
>> available in some bands yet.  Someone who buys this stuff will need to
>> confirm.
>>
>> Also, keep in mind that customers like to hold onto gear until it is well
>> beyond obsolete.   A not insignificant chunk of my business comes from
>> products which are being used to power and/or otherwise support what I
>> would consider ancient radios.   As a result I still do backwards testing
>> and occasionally end up digging an old radio out of the archives to do
>> interoperability testing (see the 320 thread I started a few days
>> ago).
>>
>> I know that the WISP I am involved with still has a healthy number of
>> radios in that form factor in place.   I'm not sure if they're deploying
>> any more or not.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> I am pretty sure I was told or heard that Cambium is transitioning
>>> totally away from the old canopy style case.
>>>
>>> That is why I have stopped to building my little plastic clip basic
>>> mount.
>>>
>>> I sent out EOL to distributors but I continue to get orders.
>>> That form factor is a dead end, right?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Chuck McCown]

I identify as 7 of 9...

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:54 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

Oh, and one question 

If we're the Borg, are you the Borg queen?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a few 
things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.

  So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with hog/goat 
welded wire.

  Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with three 
strands of barbed wire angling outward.

  Could do shorter.
  Could do chain link.
  Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.  

  Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except for 
the corners.  

  If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.  

  Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.  

  Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by working 
or not cameras.  
  And I am doing/will do both of these.  

  Opinions please.





-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

[AFMUG] OT : Russia has figured out how to jam U.S. drones in Syria, officials say

[Jaime Solorza]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/russia-has-figured-out-how-jam-u-s-drones-syria-n863931
Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Oh, and one question

If we're the Borg, are you the Borg queen?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a
> few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper
> stuff.
>
> So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with
> hog/goat welded wire.
>
> Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with
> three strands of barbed wire angling outward.
>
> Could do shorter.
> Could do chain link.
> Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.
>
> Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except
> for the corners.
>
> If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.
>
> Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
>
> Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by
> working or not cameras.
> And I am doing/will do both of these.
>
> Opinions please.
>
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Steve Jones]

best thing we did here (we operate out of an abandoned hospital) was put up
as big of housings for our security cameras as we could find and put them
in very prominent locations. We went from a broken window or tresspass
almost every other week to it being a very rare occurrence.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut
> as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get
> through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an
> accordion.
>
> I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too.
> Might be easier to work with.
>
> Motion activated alarms can be effective.
>
>
> -bp
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a
>> few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper
>> stuff.
>>
>> So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with
>> hog/goat welded wire.
>>
>> Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with
>> three strands of barbed wire angling outward.
>>
>> Could do shorter.
>> Could do chain link.
>> Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.
>>
>> Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except
>> for the corners.
>>
>> If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.
>>
>> Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
>>
>> Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by
>> working or not cameras.
>> And I am doing/will do both of these.
>>
>> Opinions please.
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium legacy case

[Bill Prince]

Make enough to make it worth your while. Then start increasing the price to
discourage repeat abusers.

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Sigh to do another run or not.
> I gotta do 500 pcs to make it worth doing.
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:21 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium legacy case
>
> As far as I know, cambium is still shipping radios with that mount.  The
> very latest radios are a different style, but I'm not sure they're even
> available in some bands yet.  Someone who buys this stuff will need to
> confirm.
>
> Also, keep in mind that customers like to hold onto gear until it is well
> beyond obsolete.   A not insignificant chunk of my business comes from
> products which are being used to power and/or otherwise support what I
> would consider ancient radios.   As a result I still do backwards testing
> and occasionally end up digging an old radio out of the archives to do
> interoperability testing (see the 320 thread I started a few days
> ago).
>
> I know that the WISP I am involved with still has a healthy number of
> radios in that form factor in place.   I'm not sure if they're deploying
> any more or not.
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> I am pretty sure I was told or heard that Cambium is transitioning
>> totally away from the old canopy style case.
>>
>> That is why I have stopped to building my little plastic clip basic
>> mount.
>>
>> I sent out EOL to distributors but I continue to get orders.
>> That form factor is a dead end, right?
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Bill Prince]

Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut as
chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get
through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an
accordion.

I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too.
Might be easier to work with.

Motion activated alarms can be effective.


-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a
> few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper
> stuff.
>
> So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with
> hog/goat welded wire.
>
> Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with
> three strands of barbed wire angling outward.
>
> Could do shorter.
> Could do chain link.
> Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.
>
> Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except
> for the corners.
>
> If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.
>
> Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.
>
> Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by
> working or not cameras.
> And I am doing/will do both of these.
>
> Opinions please.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium legacy case

[Chuck McCown]

Sigh to do another run or not.  
I gotta do 500 pcs to make it worth doing.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:21 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium legacy case

As far as I know, cambium is still shipping radios with that mount.  The very 
latest radios are a different style, but I'm not sure they're even available in 
some bands yet.  Someone who buys this stuff will need to confirm.

Also, keep in mind that customers like to hold onto gear until it is well 
beyond obsolete.   A not insignificant chunk of my business comes from products 
which are being used to power and/or otherwise support what I would consider 
ancient radios.   As a result I still do backwards testing and occasionally end 
up digging an old radio out of the archives to do interoperability testing (see 
the 320 thread I started a few days ago).  

I know that the WISP I am involved with still has a healthy number of radios in 
that form factor in place.   I'm not sure if they're deploying any more or not.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I am pretty sure I was told or heard that Cambium is transitioning totally 
away from the old canopy style case.  

  That is why I have stopped to building my little plastic clip basic mount.  

  I sent out EOL to distributors but I continue to get orders.  
  That form factor is a dead end, right?




-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium legacy case

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

As far as I know, cambium is still shipping radios with that mount.  The
very latest radios are a different style, but I'm not sure they're even
available in some bands yet.  Someone who buys this stuff will need to
confirm.

Also, keep in mind that customers like to hold onto gear until it is well
beyond obsolete.   A not insignificant chunk of my business comes from
products which are being used to power and/or otherwise support what I
would consider ancient radios.   As a result I still do backwards testing
and occasionally end up digging an old radio out of the archives to do
interoperability testing (see the 320 thread I started a few days ago).

I know that the WISP I am involved with still has a healthy number of
radios in that form factor in place.   I'm not sure if they're deploying
any more or not.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I am pretty sure I was told or heard that Cambium is transitioning totally
> away from the old canopy style case.
>
> That is why I have stopped to building my little plastic clip basic
> mount.
>
> I sent out EOL to distributors but I continue to get orders.
> That form factor is a dead end, right?
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

[AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[Chuck McCown]

I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a few 
things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper stuff.

So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with hog/goat 
welded wire.

Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with three 
strands of barbed wire angling outward.

Could do shorter.
Could do chain link.
Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.  

Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground except for 
the corners.  

If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.  

Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.  

Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by working 
or not cameras.  
And I am doing/will do both of these.  

Opinions please.

[AFMUG] Cambium legacy case

[Chuck McCown]

I am pretty sure I was told or heard that Cambium is transitioning totally away 
from the old canopy style case.  

That is why I have stopped to building my little plastic clip basic mount.  

I sent out EOL to distributors but I continue to get orders.  
That form factor is a dead end, right?

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Chuck McCown]

Not totally sure.  

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

At their cell towers? Or circuits being resold?


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  AT!

  From: Colin Stanners 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  What kind of customer is still using T1s?


  On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units 
HDU 409 Doublers 
HRU 402 remote at the customer. 


From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ? 


(ebay or secondary markets ? )


Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in 
Louisiana, not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply 
them and we are out of cards. 
  Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Colin Stanners]

At their cell towers? Or circuits being resold?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> AT!
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport
>
> What kind of customer is still using T1s?
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units
>> HDU 409 Doublers
>> HRU 402 remote at the customer.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport
>>
>> Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ?
>>
>> (ebay or secondary markets ? )
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT T1 transport
>>
>> I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in
>> Louisiana, not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to
>> supply them and we are out of cards.
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

[Chuck McCown]

I think Philo may be a better value.
The Sling Roamio has a DVR, but this new one I posted does too and it is much 
cheaper.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

Do they have a new one with DVR as well? I am about to ditch my basic cable in 
favor of OTA combined with DirectTVNow, Netflix, And Amazon Prime. Any others 
out there proved to be worth something?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I use the roamio.  I purchased it.  

  From: Joe Novak 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:12 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box
  I remember reading your experience when going into this, and I was probably 
more disappointed at the broad outage the day I signed up. Shit happens. I'll 
give it some time, it seems to be working well beyond that.  

  Are you using the AirTV box?

  On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

My sling has been pretty much flawless since day one.  

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

I talked with the dish network guy at WISPA America, this is the product 
Sling TV is helping push: 

https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv_player/


At home I have been less then impressed with the reliability of Sling.TV, 
the first day I setup my demo there was a 15 hour outage. The integration 
between OTA and sling.tv is awesome though, seamless I would say. The box is a 
Android TV box, so I'm sure there is a certain amount of customization that 
could be done for power users. Box outputs 4k, and seems to have good wireless 
performance overall (I've used netflix/sling.tv on it). It's a neat concept, 
but a little bit expensive to start up and I'm not sure I'm sold on Sling, even 
if it does seem to work very well when it works. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Chuck McCown]

AT!

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

What kind of customer is still using T1s?


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units 
  HDU 409 Doublers 
  HRU 402 remote at the customer. 


  From: Faisal Imtiaz 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ? 


  (ebay or secondary markets ? )


  Regards.


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  http://www.snappytelecom.net

  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in 
Louisiana, not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply 
them and we are out of cards. 
Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Colin Stanners]

What kind of customer is still using T1s?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units
> HDU 409 Doublers
> HRU 402 remote at the customer.
>
>
> *From:* Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport
>
> Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ?
>
> (ebay or secondary markets ? )
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT T1 transport
>
> I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in
> Louisiana, not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to
> supply them and we are out of cards.
> Any suggestions?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

[Lewis Bergman]

Do they have a new one with DVR as well? I am about to ditch my basic cable
in favor of OTA combined with DirectTVNow, Netflix, And Amazon Prime. Any
others out there proved to be worth something?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I use the roamio.  I purchased it.
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box
> I remember reading your experience when going into this, and I was
> probably more disappointed at the broad outage the day I signed up. Shit
> happens. I'll give it some time, it seems to be working well beyond that.
>
> Are you using the AirTV box?
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> My sling has been pretty much flawless since day one.
>>
>> *From:* Joe Novak
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:26 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box
>>
>> I talked with the dish network guy at WISPA America, this is the product
>> Sling TV is helping push:
>>
>> https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv_player/
>>
>> At home I have been less then impressed with the reliability of Sling.TV,
>> the first day I setup my demo there was a 15 hour outage. The integration
>> between OTA and sling.tv is awesome though, seamless I would say. The
>> box is a Android TV box, so I'm sure there is a certain amount of
>> customization that could be done for power users. Box outputs 4k, and seems
>> to have good wireless performance overall (I've used netflix/sling.tv on
>> it). It's a neat concept, but a little bit expensive to start up and I'm
>> not sure I'm sold on Sling, even if it does seem to work very well when it
>> works.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Paul McCall]

OK, that makes sense Forrest.  That demystifies things a bit

From: Af  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:56 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Depends on the load and how you wire it.

For smaller sites I've been known to use a small 24VDC fan for ventilation 
which consumes less than 1A, so I switch it directly with the relay.

If you get closer to the relay rating you should use an off board relay,  and 
then you use the on board relay to control the power for the coil of the off 
board relay.   The on board relay just carries enough current to power the coil 
which isn't that much except for very large relays.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:45 AM Paul McCall 
> wrote:
But, is the relay switching in the Packetflux bearing any of the load at any 
point?   I would think not, but the answers are a bit confusing, as though it 
is.

I would think most basic relays could be triggered successfully with much less 
than 2A

From: Af > On Behalf Of 
Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:44 PM
To: af >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The relay is rated for 2A@30V, and 60W above that.

See https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/315/mech_eng_tx-1075670.pdf figure 1 on 
page 3 for a visual of this.

I'd recommend that you test the relay operation with an ohm meter before trying 
a circuit.  There should be conductivity between C and NC and none between C 
and NO when the value is set to zero, and opposite  that when it's set to a one.

If it doesn't work,  upgrade the firmware to the latest and try again. There 
have been a couple of relay bugs fixed in recent memory.   Also make sure that 
the relay on above and below rows  are set to a very high and low number since 
if that is enabled it will override the relay.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:22 AM Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux support 
led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way.

SMH

From: Af > On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
To: Motorola III >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a heavier 
relay that carries the actual load.
-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently there is 
a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know if we can 
do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay

-Original Message-
From: Af > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Give me a few minutes and I'll send a drawing which might help even more.
(Need to move to a different machine)

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:52 AM Christopher Tyler 
wrote:

> Generally the tirgger is measured in milliamps. Your load shouldn't be
> running through it. But rather through the remote relay.
> See the attached image for a quick wiring diagram. I think I drew the
> diode backwards, I was in a hurry.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:45:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> But, is the relay switching in the Packetflux bearing any of the load at
> any point?   I would think not, but the answers are a bit confusing, as
> though it is.
>
> I would think most basic relays could be triggered successfully with much
> less than 2A
>
> From: Af  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List
> Account)
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:44 PM
> To: af 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> The relay is rated for 2A@30V, and 60W above that.
>
> See https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/315/mech_eng_tx-1075670.pdf figure
> 1 on page 3 for a visual of this.
>
> I'd recommend that you test the relay operation with an ohm meter before
> trying a circuit.  There should be conductivity between C and NC and none
> between C and NO when the value is set to zero, and opposite  that when
> it's set to a one.
>
> If it doesn't work,  upgrade the firmware to the latest and try again.
> There have been a couple of relay bugs fixed in recent memory.   Also make
> sure that the relay on above and below rows  are set to a very high and low
> number since if that is enabled it will override the relay.
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:22 AM Paul McCall > wrote:
> Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux
> support led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way.
>
> SMH
>
> From: Af > On Behalf Of
> Bill Prince
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
> To: Motorola III >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a
> heavier relay that carries the actual load.
> -bp
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall > wrote:
> Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently
> there is a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to
> know if we can do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external
> relay
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af > On Behalf Of
> Christopher Tyler
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger
> via SNMP or web interface.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul McCall" >
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay
> contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole
> tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is
> maximum. 30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.
>
> So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an
> external relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the
> tower.  At 48v, we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some
> perhaps a bit higher still.  (with a 48v relay).
>
> We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.
>
> Can anybody comment on this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800
> pa...@pdmnet.net>
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com<
> http://www.floridabroadband.com>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Chuck McCown]

HDSL 231 L8 150--08 central office units 
HDU 409 Doublers 
HRU 402 remote at the customer. 


From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ? 


(ebay or secondary markets ? )


Regards.


Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in Louisiana, 
not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply them and we 
are out of cards. 
  Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Which model of pairgain cards are you looking for ? 

(ebay or secondary markets ? ) 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:19:23 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

> I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops. (This is in Louisiana, 
> not
> Utah). We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply them and we are out
> of cards.
> Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Depends on the load and how you wire it.

For smaller sites I've been known to use a small 24VDC fan for ventilation
which consumes less than 1A, so I switch it directly with the relay.

If you get closer to the relay rating you should use an off board relay,
 and then you use the on board relay to control the power for the coil of
the off board relay.   The on board relay just carries enough current to
power the coil which isn't that much except for very large relays.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:45 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

> But, is the relay switching in the Packetflux bearing any of the load at
> any point?   I would think not, but the answers are a bit confusing, as
> though it is.
>
>
>
> I would think most basic relays could be triggered successfully with much
> less than 2A
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian (List
> Account)
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:44 PM
> *To:* af 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
>
>
> The relay is rated for 2A@30V, and 60W above that.
>
>
>
> See https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/315/mech_eng_tx-1075670.pdf figure
> 1 on page 3 for a visual of this.
>
>
>
> I'd recommend that you test the relay operation with an ohm meter before
> trying a circuit.  There should be conductivity between C and NC and none
> between C and NO when the value is set to zero, and opposite  that when
> it's set to a one.
>
>
>
> If it doesn't work,  upgrade the firmware to the latest and try again.
> There have been a couple of relay bugs fixed in recent memory.   Also make
> sure that the relay on above and below rows  are set to a very high and low
> number since if that is enabled it will override the relay.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:22 AM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux
> support led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way.
>
>
>
> SMH
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
> *To:* Motorola III 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
>
>
> The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a
> heavier relay that carries the actual load.
>
> -bp
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently
> there is a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to
> know if we can do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external
> relay
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af  On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger
> via SNMP or web interface.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay
> contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole
> tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is
> maximum. 30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.
>
> So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an
> external relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the
> tower.  At 48v, we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some
> perhaps a bit higher still.  (with a 48v relay).
>
> We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.
>
> Can anybody comment on this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Chuck McCown]

Solid State Relays take something like 30 mA.  

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

But, is the relay switching in the Packetflux bearing any of the load at any 
point?   I would think not, but the answers are a bit confusing, as though it 
is.

 

I would think most basic relays could be triggered successfully with much less 
than 2A

 

From: Af  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:44 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

 

The relay is rated for 2A@30V, and 60W above that. 

 

See https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/315/mech_eng_tx-1075670.pdf figure 1 on 
page 3 for a visual of this. 

 

I'd recommend that you test the relay operation with an ohm meter before trying 
a circuit.  There should be conductivity between C and NC and none between C 
and NO when the value is set to zero, and opposite  that when it's set to a 
one. 

 

If it doesn't work,  upgrade the firmware to the latest and try again. There 
have been a couple of relay bugs fixed in recent memory.   Also make sure that 
the relay on above and below rows  are set to a very high and low number since 
if that is enabled it will override the relay.

 

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:22 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

  Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux support 
led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way. 

   

  SMH

   

  From: Af  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
  To: Motorola III 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

   

  The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a 
heavier relay that carries the actual load.

  -bp




  --

  bp

  part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

   

  On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently 
there is a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know 
if we can do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay


-Original Message-
From: Af  On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an 
external relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower. 
 At 48v, we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit 
higher still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

   

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Christopher Tyler]

Generally the tirgger is measured in milliamps. Your load shouldn't be running 
through it. But rather through the remote relay.
See the attached image for a quick wiring diagram. I think I drew the diode 
backwards, I was in a hurry.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:45:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

But, is the relay switching in the Packetflux bearing any of the load at any 
point?   I would think not, but the answers are a bit confusing, as though it 
is.

I would think most basic relays could be triggered successfully with much less 
than 2A

From: Af  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:44 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The relay is rated for 2A@30V, and 60W above that.

See https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/315/mech_eng_tx-1075670.pdf figure 1 on 
page 3 for a visual of this.

I'd recommend that you test the relay operation with an ohm meter before trying 
a circuit.  There should be conductivity between C and NC and none between C 
and NO when the value is set to zero, and opposite  that when it's set to a one.

If it doesn't work,  upgrade the firmware to the latest and try again. There 
have been a couple of relay bugs fixed in recent memory.   Also make sure that 
the relay on above and below rows  are set to a very high and low number since 
if that is enabled it will override the relay.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:22 AM Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux support 
led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way.

SMH

From: Af > On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
To: Motorola III >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a heavier 
relay that carries the actual load.
-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently there is 
a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know if we can 
do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay

-Original Message-
From: Af > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Paul McCall]

But, is the relay switching in the Packetflux bearing any of the load at any 
point?   I would think not, but the answers are a bit confusing, as though it 
is.

I would think most basic relays could be triggered successfully with much less 
than 2A

From: Af  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 1:44 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The relay is rated for 2A@30V, and 60W above that.

See https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/315/mech_eng_tx-1075670.pdf figure 1 on 
page 3 for a visual of this.

I'd recommend that you test the relay operation with an ohm meter before trying 
a circuit.  There should be conductivity between C and NC and none between C 
and NO when the value is set to zero, and opposite  that when it's set to a one.

If it doesn't work,  upgrade the firmware to the latest and try again. There 
have been a couple of relay bugs fixed in recent memory.   Also make sure that 
the relay on above and below rows  are set to a very high and low number since 
if that is enabled it will override the relay.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:22 AM Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux support 
led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way.

SMH

From: Af > On Behalf Of Bill 
Prince
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
To: Motorola III >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a heavier 
relay that carries the actual load.
-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently there is 
a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know if we can 
do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay

-Original Message-
From: Af > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The relay is rated for 2A@30V, and 60W above that.

See https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/315/mech_eng_tx-1075670.pdf figure 1
on page 3 for a visual of this.

I'd recommend that you test the relay operation with an ohm meter before
trying a circuit.  There should be conductivity between C and NC and none
between C and NO when the value is set to zero, and opposite  that when
it's set to a one.

If it doesn't work,  upgrade the firmware to the latest and try again.
There have been a couple of relay bugs fixed in recent memory.   Also make
sure that the relay on above and below rows  are set to a very high and low
number since if that is enabled it will override the relay.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 11:22 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

> Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux
> support led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way.
>
>
>
> SMH
>
>
>
> *From:* Af  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
> *To:* Motorola III 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
>
>
> The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a
> heavier relay that carries the actual load.
>
> -bp
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently
> there is a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to
> know if we can do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external
> relay
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af  On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger
> via SNMP or web interface.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay
> contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole
> tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is
> maximum. 30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.
>
> So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an
> external relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the
> tower.  At 48v, we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some
> perhaps a bit higher still.  (with a 48v relay).
>
> We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.
>
> Can anybody comment on this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Chuck McCown]

That is probably what I will be doing.  They have repeaters but you can put 
back to back sdls cards and repeat.
The ones I looked at this morning run on 24 volts.  So that is a down side.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

Touch the wires together and make morse code.

Can you do SDSL on the same loop, or is it too long for that?



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 1:19:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

  I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in Louisiana, 
not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply them and we 
are out of cards.  
  Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Paul McCall]

Yeah,  I thought this would be the case, for some reason, Packetflux support 
led my guy to realize that it didn’t work that way.

SMH

From: Af  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:38 PM
To: Motorola III 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a heavier 
relay that carries the actual load.
-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently there is 
a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know if we can 
do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay

-Original Message-
From: Af > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Paul McCall" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net>
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Adam Moffett]

Touch the wires together and make morse code.

Can you do SDSL on the same loop, or is it too long for that?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 1:19:23 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT T1 transport

I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in 
Louisiana, not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to 
supply them and we are out of cards.

Any suggestions?

[AFMUG] OT T1 transport

[Chuck McCown]

I have some customers still on T1 over copper loops.  (This is in Louisiana, 
not Utah).We cannot buy the pairgain cards any more to supply them and we 
are out of cards.  
Any suggestions?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

[Chuck McCown]

I use the roamio.  I purchased it.  

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

I remember reading your experience when going into this, and I was probably 
more disappointed at the broad outage the day I signed up. Shit happens. I'll 
give it some time, it seems to be working well beyond that.  

Are you using the AirTV box?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  My sling has been pretty much flawless since day one.  

  From: Joe Novak 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:26 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

  I talked with the dish network guy at WISPA America, this is the product 
Sling TV is helping push: 

  https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv_player/


  At home I have been less then impressed with the reliability of Sling.TV, the 
first day I setup my demo there was a 15 hour outage. The integration between 
OTA and sling.tv is awesome though, seamless I would say. The box is a Android 
TV box, so I'm sure there is a certain amount of customization that could be 
done for power users. Box outputs 4k, and seems to have good wireless 
performance overall (I've used netflix/sling.tv on it). It's a neat concept, 
but a little bit expensive to start up and I'm not sure I'm sold on Sling, even 
if it does seem to work very well when it works. 

Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

[Adam Moffett]

Yes, but just like Wimax or Canopy you have to set a compatible 
configuration at each site.



-- Original Message --
From: "Matt" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 1:13:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync


So do all sites use GPS to transmit at the same time then receive at
same to reduce interference between sites?


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:23 AM, Mathew Howard  
wrote:
I haven't ever heard of anybody doing AAA in 3.65ghz... but yeah, I 
guess

that would work to just leave huge gaps.

Generally, as long as none of your clients can see more than one AP on 
the
same channel you're fine, as far as self-interference goes (and that 
applies

to pretty much any synced system).

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:


You can still do ABAB.

That AAA thing you're talking about is with three very narrow 
sectors.  So

that cell has huge gaps which are filled in from an adjacent cell.



-- Original Message --
From: "Matt" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 9:49:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

How does LTE work with GPS sync?  As I understand instead of ABAB 
they
typically do AAA for frequency reuse?  Does this also mean if you 
have

two LTE sites say 8 miles apart they will have minimal interference
with each other even using same channels?

Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

[Matt]

So do all sites use GPS to transmit at the same time then receive at
same to reduce interference between sites?


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:23 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> I haven't ever heard of anybody doing AAA in 3.65ghz... but yeah, I guess
> that would work to just leave huge gaps.
>
> Generally, as long as none of your clients can see more than one AP on the
> same channel you're fine, as far as self-interference goes (and that applies
> to pretty much any synced system).
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> You can still do ABAB.
>>
>> That AAA thing you're talking about is with three very narrow sectors.  So
>> that cell has huge gaps which are filled in from an adjacent cell.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Matt" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 4/10/2018 9:49:53 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync
>>
>>> How does LTE work with GPS sync?  As I understand instead of ABAB they
>>> typically do AAA for frequency reuse?  Does this also mean if you have
>>> two LTE sites say 8 miles apart they will have minimal interference
>>> with each other even using same channels?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

[Joe Novak]

I remember reading your experience when going into this, and I was probably
more disappointed at the broad outage the day I signed up. Shit happens.
I'll give it some time, it seems to be working well beyond that.

Are you using the AirTV box?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> My sling has been pretty much flawless since day one.
>
> *From:* Joe Novak
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box
>
> I talked with the dish network guy at WISPA America, this is the product
> Sling TV is helping push:
>
> https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv_player/
>
> At home I have been less then impressed with the reliability of Sling.TV,
> the first day I setup my demo there was a 15 hour outage. The integration
> between OTA and sling.tv is awesome though, seamless I would say. The box
> is a Android TV box, so I'm sure there is a certain amount of customization
> that could be done for power users. Box outputs 4k, and seems to have good
> wireless performance overall (I've used netflix/sling.tv on it). It's a
> neat concept, but a little bit expensive to start up and I'm not sure I'm
> sold on Sling, even if it does seem to work very well when it works.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Chuck McCown]

Or a triac if it is an AC load.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:38 AM
To: Motorola III 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a heavier 
relay that carries the actual load.


-bp


--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently there 
is a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know if we 
can do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay


  -Original Message-
  From: Af  On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

  Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

  --
  Christopher Tyler
  MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
  Total Highspeed Internet Services
  417.851.1107

  - Original Message -
  From: "Paul McCall" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

  My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

  So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

  We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

  Can anybody comment on this?

  Thanks!

  Paul McCall, President
  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
  658 Old Dixie Highway
  Vero Beach, FL 32962
  772-564-6800
  pa...@pdmnet.net
  www.pdmnet.com
  www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

[Chuck McCown]

My sling has been pretty much flawless since day one.  

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

I talked with the dish network guy at WISPA America, this is the product Sling 
TV is helping push: 

https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv_player/


At home I have been less then impressed with the reliability of Sling.TV, the 
first day I setup my demo there was a 15 hour outage. The integration between 
OTA and sling.tv is awesome though, seamless I would say. The box is a Android 
TV box, so I'm sure there is a certain amount of customization that could be 
done for power users. Box outputs 4k, and seems to have good wireless 
performance overall (I've used netflix/sling.tv on it). It's a neat concept, 
but a little bit expensive to start up and I'm not sure I'm sold on Sling, even 
if it does seem to work very well when it works. 

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Christopher Tyler]

If you are using an external relay the load shouldn't matter to the SiteMonitor 
at all. The load would only matter for the extrenal relay itself. The 
SiteMonitor doesn't supply power accross the relay output so you would have to 
supply the external relays coil voltage across the site monitor contacts. You 
would only have to ensure that your coil volts and amps don't exceed the Site 
Monitor rating. And that should work just fine.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: "Motorola III" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:38:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a
heavier relay that carries the actual load.

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently
> there is a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to
> know if we can do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external
> relay
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af  On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger
> via SNMP or web interface.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay
> contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole
> tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is
> maximum. 30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.
>
> So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an
> external relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the
> tower.  At 48v, we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some
> perhaps a bit higher still.  (with a 48v relay).
>
> We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.
>
> Can anybody comment on this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

[Bill Prince]

We have been using the Channel Master DVR+ for a number of years. We live
in an area that never has not, and probably never will have any sort of
wireline TV (cable, or anything). So we got this thing, as we do get 50 or
60 OTA channels at the present time. It also has OTT channels that you can
sign up with (but we've never used them). For our OTT stuff we use a Roku.

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> I talked with the dish network guy at WISPA America, this is the product
> Sling TV is helping push:
>
> https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv_player/
>
> At home I have been less then impressed with the reliability of Sling.TV,
> the first day I setup my demo there was a 15 hour outage. The integration
> between OTA and sling.tv is awesome though, seamless I would say. The box
> is a Android TV box, so I'm sure there is a certain amount of customization
> that could be done for power users. Box outputs 4k, and seems to have good
> wireless performance overall (I've used netflix/sling.tv on it). It's a
> neat concept, but a little bit expensive to start up and I'm not sure I'm
> sold on Sling, even if it does seem to work very well when it works.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Adam Moffett]

Get a DIN mount DPDT, wire it so your load is on the normally closed 
contacts.  Run the control circuit on the DPDT through the normally open 
contact on the Site Monitor.


I'd bet a Google search can give you diagrams.


-- Original Message --
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 4/10/2018 12:11:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor 
Relay contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle 
the whole tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay 
control is maximum. 30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 
48v.




So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an 
external relay and “open” the ground to the main power feed going up 
the tower.  At 48v, we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, 
some perhaps a bit higher still.  (with a 48v relay).




We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.



Can anybody comment on this?



Thanks!



Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[George Skorup]

I use the temp control module for heaters and fans. Same concept. The 
external relays are 24VDC coil. Contacts rated for 125VAC/10A. The load 
is on the normally-open side. The temp module calls for heating or 
cooling and triggers the correct device. e.g. turn on the fan if TempA>30C.


You're just using the contacts on one smaller relay to control the coil 
on another larger relay. Pretty simple.


On 4/10/2018 11:24 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently there is 
a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know if we can 
do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay

-Original Message-
From: Af  On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Bill Prince]

The typical solution with a light-duty relay is to use it to control a
heavier relay that carries the actual load.

-bp

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently
> there is a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to
> know if we can do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external
> relay
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af  On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger
> via SNMP or web interface.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay
>
> My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay
> contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole
> tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is
> maximum. 30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.
>
> So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an
> external relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the
> tower.  At 48v, we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some
> perhaps a bit higher still.  (with a 48v relay).
>
> We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.
>
> Can anybody comment on this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Interesting OTA box

[Joe Novak]

I talked with the dish network guy at WISPA America, this is the product
Sling TV is helping push:

https://www.airtv.net/products/airtv_player/

At home I have been less then impressed with the reliability of Sling.TV,
the first day I setup my demo there was a 15 hour outage. The integration
between OTA and sling.tv is awesome though, seamless I would say. The box
is a Android TV box, so I'm sure there is a certain amount of customization
that could be done for power users. Box outputs 4k, and seems to have good
wireless performance overall (I've used netflix/sling.tv on it). It's a
neat concept, but a little bit expensive to start up and I'm not sure I'm
sold on Sling, even if it does seem to work very well when it works.

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Paul McCall]

Yes, we know that, and have used it on lighter loads.  But, apparently there is 
a challenge on a heavier load as we described below.  Wanting to know if we can 
do what we want and maybe we just have the wrong external relay

-Original Message-
From: Af  On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Christopher Tyler]

Yes, there is a relay output on the siteMonitor II that you can trigger via 
SNMP or web interface.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 11:11:20 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

[AFMUG] Sitemonitor Question with Relay

[Paul McCall]

My service manager seems to be struggling with using the Sitemonitor Relay 
contact to trigger a 48 Relay that we want to use to power cycle the whole 
tower if necessary.  So, Packetflux states that the Relay control is maximum. 
30v 1amp.  So a little more than half the amps at 48v.

So, in the past (lighter loads on towers) we used this to trigger an external 
relay and "open" the ground to the main power feed going up the tower.  At 48v, 
we sometimes are around 2amp on the bigger towers, some perhaps a bit higher 
still.  (with a 48v relay).

We should be able to use the Sitemonitor to somehow accomplish it.

Can anybody comment on this?

Thanks!

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, I knew there were ways of doing AAA with LTE in the cellular world, I
never looked into how exactly that worked before though. I just haven't
ever heard of anyone doing it in a fixed 3.65ghz LTE deployment.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:36 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Sometimes they only have enough spectrum for one good sized channel.  So
> they can deploy all on one channel, but they have very narrow sectors and
> they rely on having a grid of towers so each tower is filling in the gaps
> on another tower.  Picture interlocking fingers.
>
> I've never done this, but I understand you have to plan it very carefully
> and accept that you will have dead spots.  You might have LOS to a tower
> and have no or marginal signal because of unlucky geography.  Like maybe
> you're supposed to be covered by the site which is blocked by a hill, but
> you can see the one that doesn't have a sector pointed at you.
>
> It's a way to make the most of a limited chunk of spectrum, but I think
> you'd rather do it a different way if you can.
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: 4/10/2018 10:23:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync
>
> I haven't ever heard of anybody doing AAA in 3.65ghz... but yeah, I guess
> that would work to just leave huge gaps.
>
> Generally, as long as none of your clients can see more than one AP on the
> same channel you're fine, as far as self-interference goes (and that
> applies to pretty much any synced system).
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> You can still do ABAB.
>>
>> That AAA thing you're talking about is with three very narrow sectors.
>> So that cell has huge gaps which are filled in from an adjacent cell.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Matt" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 4/10/2018 9:49:53 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync
>>
>> How does LTE work with GPS sync?  As I understand instead of ABAB they
>>> typically do AAA for frequency reuse?  Does this also mean if you have
>>> two LTE sites say 8 miles apart they will have minimal interference
>>> with each other even using same channels?
>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Merca

[Steve Jones]

https://www.pcmag.com/news/360337/hackers-deface-network-switches-in-russia-iran-with-us-flag

While this is grade school humorous, these children
A. Committed major felonies, and if caught should rightfully recieve
maximum sentencing
B. Forced closure of many potential vulnerabilities that may very well have
been in play by our counter espionage units.

Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

[Adam Moffett]

Sometimes they only have enough spectrum for one good sized channel.  So 
they can deploy all on one channel, but they have very narrow sectors 
and they rely on having a grid of towers so each tower is filling in the 
gaps on another tower.  Picture interlocking fingers.


I've never done this, but I understand you have to plan it very 
carefully and accept that you will have dead spots.  You might have LOS 
to a tower and have no or marginal signal because of unlucky geography.  
Like maybe you're supposed to be covered by the site which is blocked by 
a hill, but you can see the one that doesn't have a sector pointed at 
you.


It's a way to make the most of a limited chunk of spectrum, but I think 
you'd rather do it a different way if you can.


-Adam



-- Original Message --
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: 4/10/2018 10:23:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

I haven't ever heard of anybody doing AAA in 3.65ghz... but yeah, I 
guess that would work to just leave huge gaps.


Generally, as long as none of your clients can see more than one AP on 
the same channel you're fine, as far as self-interference goes (and 
that applies to pretty much any synced system).


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

You can still do ABAB.

That AAA thing you're talking about is with three very narrow sectors. 
 So that cell has huge gaps which are filled in from an adjacent cell.




-- Original Message --
From: "Matt" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 9:49:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

How does LTE work with GPS sync?  As I understand instead of ABAB 
they
typically do AAA for frequency reuse?  Does this also mean if you 
have

two LTE sites say 8 miles apart they will have minimal interference
with each other even using same channels?

Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

[Mathew Howard]

I haven't ever heard of anybody doing AAA in 3.65ghz... but yeah, I guess
that would work to just leave huge gaps.

Generally, as long as none of your clients can see more than one AP on the
same channel you're fine, as far as self-interference goes (and that
applies to pretty much any synced system).

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> You can still do ABAB.
>
> That AAA thing you're talking about is with three very narrow sectors.  So
> that cell has huge gaps which are filled in from an adjacent cell.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Matt" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 4/10/2018 9:49:53 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync
>
> How does LTE work with GPS sync?  As I understand instead of ABAB they
>> typically do AAA for frequency reuse?  Does this also mean if you have
>> two LTE sites say 8 miles apart they will have minimal interference
>> with each other even using same channels?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

[Adam Moffett]

You can still do ABAB.

That AAA thing you're talking about is with three very narrow sectors.  
So that cell has huge gaps which are filled in from an adjacent cell.



-- Original Message --
From: "Matt" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 4/10/2018 9:49:53 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync


How does LTE work with GPS sync?  As I understand instead of ABAB they
typically do AAA for frequency reuse?  Does this also mean if you have
two LTE sites say 8 miles apart they will have minimal interference
with each other even using same channels?

[AFMUG] LTE 3.65 and GPS Sync

[Matt]

How does LTE work with GPS sync?  As I understand instead of ABAB they
typically do AAA for frequency reuse?  Does this also mean if you have
two LTE sites say 8 miles apart they will have minimal interference
with each other even using same channels?

Re: [AFMUG] ssl certs

[Justin Wilson]

If you are looking to make your site SSL enabled so google doesn’t mark it as 
untrusted by June/July here is the quick and dirty to make life easy.

1.Spin up a machine and install Webmin and Virtualmin on it.  This is very very 
easy for simple web-sites.  Lots of tutorials. 
2.Once you have your sites as domains in virtualmin, you go to the SSL options 
of each site, click a few buttons and you are done.  It goes out and requests a 
certificate from LetsEncrypt, installs it in your webserver, and gives you the 
option to install it in postfix,ftp, etc.  Very easy.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

www.mtin.net
www.midwest-ix.com

> On Apr 9, 2018, at 9:19 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> Im not going to lie, i forgot that https is encrypted.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018, 5:32 PM Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> Being really smart at cryptography has nothing to do with whether it needs to 
> be encrypted or not in the first place.
> 
> I'm not against encryption. Many things certainly require it.
> 
> That URL is indicative of groupthink, not the case for HTTPS everywhere.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink 
> 
> 
> Why might Wikipedia want to HTTPS everything? Their mission is the 
> dissemination of information to everywhere, including countries that have 
> content filters. Of course that doesn't actually stop anyone from actually 
> doing a MITM, it just increases the amount of resources required to do the 
> job. 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Eric Kuhnke" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 5:27:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ssl certs
> 
> The discussion has been hashed out quite thoroughly by people who are far 
> more knowledgeable about cryptography than you or I will ever be - about 
> twenty years ago, when SSL was first popularized. It's been continually 
> developed since then. The really funny thing if that you linked to an https 
> website for your URL promoting the credentials of that one specific dude, in 
> defense of your argument. Why isn't it plain http?
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 3:24 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> A position so weak, it can't stand up to a discussion? How sad.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Eric Kuhnke" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 5:22:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ssl certs
> 
> Yeah I think I'll skip a 45 minute podcast that seems to have an anti-crypto 
> agenda, and continue reading the IETF mailing lists instead. Standardization 
> and implementation of TLS1.3 will continue onwards even if the 
> techno-luddites ignore its existence.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 3:19 PM, Mike Hammett  > wrote:
> Also, listen to the cast.
> 
> Well, or don't. It might make you think for yourself.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>   
>  
>  
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>   
>  
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> From: "Eric