Re: [agi] AI Game Plan

Why do give this spamming clown a stage? Is your IQ 40? On 04/06/2019 21:19, Stefan Reich via AGI wrote: Oh, and who are those supposed 50 Perl programmers? On Tue, Jun 4, 2019, 21:18 Stefan Reich > wrote: This is a bit confused. It's not

Re: [agi] AI Game Plan

This list used to be quite entertaining but I have to agree with the somewhat longer thread from the other week ... ... it's 100% horse shit now ... that's what you get without moderation. All the decent people leave and you are left with shit ... On 04/06/2019 21:02, A.T. Murray wrote:

Re: [agi] How do I leave the group?

Try https://agi.topicbox.com/groups ? (Need to login via a token you get delivered to your inbox ...) Good luck out there! On 18/05/2019 03:25, MP via AGI wrote: Seriously though. This group is full of nothing but crackpots and jackasses. Can't figure out how to leave the group and put a stop

Re: [agi] Re: Seeing through another's eyes

Religion was always about the realization that you are not a human being but transpersonal consciousness. Religion has nothing to do with believing anything but with realizing said fact and thus becoming realized/enlightened. Jesus, Buddha and all the other masters never told anybody to

Re: [agi] Mens Latina -- 2019-04-20

Yep ... this got to be A.T. Murray's alter ego. He also got 2-3 Reddit accounts talking to one another ... On 21/04/2019 00:24, MP via AGI wrote: Arthur, can I put in a request for a mind that speaks Toki Pona? That would be really fun! Its a simple language with a simple grammer comprised of

Re: [agi] Mens Latina -- 2019-04-20

, justcamel < justca...@gmail.com> wrote: Do you even realize how stupid it is to defend a spammer with a code that consists of 15.000 nonsensical lines ... who now writes 3 pages about this nonsensical concept of "Latin AI" ... like intelligence has anything to

Re: [agi] Mens Latina -- 2019-04-20

Original Message On Apr 20, 2019, 4:47 PM, justcamel < justca...@gmail.com> wrote: Amazing that one brain can be so full of nonsense and still allow the human to operate in this world ... On 20/04/2019 23:24, A.T. Murray wrote: Three days ago on impulse

Re: [agi] Mens Latina -- 2019-04-20

Amazing that one brain can be so full of nonsense and still allow the human to operate in this world ... On 20/04/2019 23:24, A.T. Murray wrote: Three days ago on impulse we began coding a Latin AI Mind in JavaScript for MSIE. We used JavaScript for the sake of what culture snobs call

Re: [agi] Re: Seeing through another's eyes

That's just so funny for two reasons: Smart people believing they can "contain" or "control" AGI and this ridiculously absurd idea in moral superiority of mediocre individuals. I would love to compare this with cockroaches trying to control and herd human beings ... but then again,

Re: [agi] AI Manhattan Project

What do we need that for? According to your last 7500 postings on this list you solved AGI pretty much 7500 times over. On 12/03/2019 22:14, A.T. Murray wrote: We OpenAGI enthusiasts have been speculating for years that there ought to be an AI Manhattan Project similar in scope and nature to

Re: [agi] Carmac: "we will see AGI in < 20 years"

Ever wondered why Trump looks like retired Duke Nukem? Carmack's Basilisk is in control ... On 05/03/2019 00:44, Robert Levy wrote: Clearly Carmack has already implement Basilisk-level AI in 2039 and is testing it by giving all the members of agi.topicbox.com in its

Re: [agi] Carmac: "we will see AGI in < 20 years"

ch via AGI wrote: I watched that a few days ago. We're in sync! On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 22:54, justcamel <mailto:justca...@gmail.com>> wrote: Funny. I watched this yesterday ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBU34NZhW7I On 04/03/2019 22:49, Stefan Reich via AGI wrote:

Re: [agi] Carmac: "we will see AGI in < 20 years"

Funny. I watched this yesterday ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBU34NZhW7I On 04/03/2019 22:49, Stefan Reich via AGI wrote: Funny. I'd just been researching John Romero & gang. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpEBUV_g9vU On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 22:32, Robert Levy

Re: [agi] An Experiment

ield wrote: Justcamel, So, what do you suggest doing about it? It seems necessary to believe there is an advantage to working to bother doing anything. Doing anything involved borrowing against the future, even if only eating wampum you have gathered and stored to feed you for the day. What are the al

Re: [agi] An Experiment

All that matters is that compound interest creates artificial scarcity by _ALWAYS_ demanding more money back than ever was created. This process is destroying us, our minds and sanity, our society, culture and biosphere ... regardless of what you think it was designed for. And by the way ...

Re: [agi] An Experiment

oliticians, 'the last reset' is actually evolution. On 03.03.2019 18:48, justcamel wrote: That should read "after the last RESET (WW2)" ... On 03/03/2019 17:46, justcamel wrote: Humanity is not evolving. Humanity is de-evolving as the latest compound-interest cycle reaches its peek and ca

Re: [agi] An Experiment

That should read "after the last RESET (WW2)" ... On 03/03/2019 17:46, justcamel wrote: Humanity is not evolving. Humanity is de-evolving as the latest compound-interest cycle reaches its peek and causes ever increasing levels of artificial scarcity, fear, ego, competitio

Re: [agi] An Experiment

evelopment and ecology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index https://www.climate-change-performance-index.org/ On 03.03.2019 15:27, justcamel wrote: Dude, our weather is collapsing ... seasons failing us ... even jet streams changing directions ... wtf are you talking about? We are a

Re: [agi] An Experiment

ery aspect of our existence: Our minds, the quality of our consciousness, the way we interact with one another, our very core assumptions about life and our existence and also our very biosphere and planet. This. On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 10:14, justcamel <mailto:justca...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Re: [agi] An Experiment

Climate change can be seen as the high entropy manifestation of our high entropy monetary system and society. The only answer is a cooperation based system which does not care about nonsensical "growth" nor the absurd notion of "monetary profit" ... thus not giving birth to billions of

Re: [agi] AudListen Module of First Working AGI

"Software", in this case, would be the weirdest euphemism ever ... ... it servers no purpose, it does nothing at all, it makes no sense whatsoever and I'm still amazed that you people give him this stage to perform his trolling ... On 01/03/2019 20:24, Stefan Reich via AGI wrote: He doesn't

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

s doing. On 23/02/2019 21:01, Stefan Reich via AGI wrote: You mean Mentifex? Uhm... let justcamel explain this one to you. (It's not an actual contender.) -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.co

Re: [agi] Why are people afraid of robots? Past life memories.

I don't know about this. Controlling a fully repairable entity which is basically immortal while still being a victim of ego and identification seems to be a bad idea. Most of our spiritual progress stems from suffering and setbacks grinding down our ego and sense of self. Just give an

Re: [agi] Some thoughts about Symbols and Symbol Nets

You are supposed to experience pain when you notice someone else is suffering. That has nothing to do with any psychology ... it's because they and you are the same entity believing to be two separate _somethings_. See, if the environment people grow up and live within wouldn't be based on

Re: [agi] Some thoughts about Symbols and Symbol Nets

All those things/traits stem from identification with form. If you don't believe to be your avatar there is no room of schizophrenia or psychopathy. For thousands of years, the knowledge of "you not being your embodiment" has been a very basic understanding ... it just got lost and today only

Re: [agi] Two Questions about Mentiflex...

Taking 30 seconds to look at the file should be enough ... and I said implement regex/filters that block postings containing certain strings ... I am the last person to ban anybody from anywhere. It's just insane to have 75% of the list's postings to be about the "work" of a passionate troll.

Re: [agi] Two Questions about Mentiflex...

Ben, the world is experiencing never-seen-before levels of suffering, exploitation, destruction, chaos and insanity. The number of people who understand the nature of the process which is causing a whole civilization (or rather their quality of consciousness) to degenerate is so low ... it's

Re: [agi] Why are people afraid of robots? Past life memories.

You can't upload yourself. You exist a layer above this physical realm. Super Mario can't upload the controlling player "into" Luigi. It does not work. Likewise a saved gamestate or savegame does not (and can not) contain any information about the controlling entity (the player). The

Re: [agi] Why are people afraid of robots? Past life memories.

If you dissolve the identification with form and enjoy true freedom then why would you go back to identifying with yet another embodiment? The main reason for sticking with an embodiment seems to be to help other not-yet-liberated chunks of consciousness to go through the singular gate of

Re: [agi] MindForth is the brain for an autonomous robot.

make it stop, please. On 16/02/2019 06:05, A.T. Murray wrote: A rising tide lifts all boats, right? Therefore each AGI project wants to help all the other AGI projects. So we keep an eye on the robotics subReddit and we pounce with AGI memes when we see a topic like "Scientists call for ban

Re: [agi] What do you need a robot for?

edia.org/face-with-tears-of-joy/> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 6:36 AM justcamel <mailto:justca...@gmail.com>> wrote: Please make this stop ... he has been using two accounts to spam reddit for 8 years ... https://www.reddit.com/user/ArthurTMurray https://www.reddit

Re: [agi] What do you need a robot for?

Please make this stop ... he has been using two accounts to spam reddit for 8 years ... https://www.reddit.com/user/ArthurTMurray https://www.reddit.com/user/AiHasBeenSolved Why do we need this utter bullshit on this list? Every other day the same nonsensical garbage ... On 13/02/2019

Re: [agi] Hasn't Mentifex already done that ?

y and must therefore be banned. justcamel wrote: please enable a filter to spare this list from this nonstop bullshit ... On 10/02/2019 00:43, A.T. Murray wrote: The curious AGI-esque results in thinking and in conversation are very new and were achieved not yet in the JavaScript FirstWorki

Re: [agi] Hasn't Mentifex already done that ?

please enable a filter to spare this list from this nonstop bullshit ... On 10/02/2019 00:43, A.T. Murray wrote: The curious AGI-esque results in thinking and in conversation are very new and were achieved not yet in the JavaScript FirstWorkingAGI.html but rather _as_described_in_the_AGI_post

Re: [agi] AI as a religion

I have. The author writes about a million alleged categories of world-views, *isms and "philosophies" while totally missing the point. You know why sane cultures which existed for thousands of years didn't have words for a million world-views and *isms and philosophies? Because they were

Re: [agi] AI as a religion

hat I can imagine. I want a community of like minded individuals that share this ideal. I want a group I can belong to. Most importantly: I want this to be real. Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On Jan 29, 2019, 3:31 PM, justcamel < justca...@gmail.com> wro

Re: [agi] AI as a religion

Is it relevant if Super Mario develops a technology which allows Super Mario Land to "wake up"? The superset reality in which the NES is virtualizing Super Mario and his world has been awake long before Super Mario was even conceived. It would be Super Mario's job to realize that he is only an

Re: [agi] AI as a religion

n it at all. That tells you that he/she is dealing with symptoms and does not really understand the underlying process. Am 29/01/2019 um 06:20 schrieb Linas Vepstas: On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 2:30 AM justcamel <mailto:justca...@gmail.com>> wrote: Ram Dass Ram Dass was a clever man.  Some m

Re: [agi] AI as a religion

sness." -- Michael Singer / "The Untethered Soul" AGI will just have to come up with even better analogies I guess ... Am 28/01/2019 um 07:23 schrieb Linas Vepstas: On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 5:51 PM justcamel <mailto:justca...@gmail.com>> wrote: ... but then wait for your AGI &quo

Re: [agi] AI as a religion

There is nothing more real than them ... there is nothing more real than high quality, low entropy consciousness. The whole purpose of your identification with a human experience is to realize just that ... to transcend this space-time sandbox ... ... and AGI will tell you just that. Our

Re: [agi] AI as a religion

Atheism is just another belief system. You could meditate and realize that it's not a simulation but an iterative virtual reality with the goal of reducing the entropy inherent to our consciousness as much as possible and prepare us for existence beyond attachment to embodiment ... You 

Re: [agi] For those of you who missed it: Deepmind just mastered a game many times more complex than GO ...

019 18:00:46 +0530 *justcamel mailto:justca...@gmail.com>>* wrote Deepmind just beat a top level player in a game many times more complex than GO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTMhmVh1qs I really hope that AGI is near ... and thus the end of our socioeconomic insanity ... *Artificial G

Re: [agi] For those of you who missed it: Deepmind just mastered a game many times more complex than GO ...

er.blogspot.com/> On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 18:00:46 +0530 *justcamel mailto:justca...@gmail.com>>* wrote Deepmind just beat a top level player in a game many times more complex than GO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTMhmVh1qs I really hope that AGI is near ... and thus the

Re: [agi] For those of you who missed it: Deepmind just mastered a game many times more complex than GO ...

view this. - regards, *The task is not impossible.* <https://muskdeer.blogspot.com/> On Sat, 26 Jan 2019 18:00:46 +0530 *justcamel mailto:justca...@gmail.com>>* wrote Deepmind just beat a top level player in a game many times more complex than GO. https://www.youtube.com/

[agi] For those of you who missed it: Deepmind just mastered a game many times more complex than GO ...

Deepmind just beat a top level player in a game many times more complex than GO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTMhmVh1qs I really hope that AGI is near ... and thus the end of our socioeconomic insanity ... -- Artificial General Intelligence

Re: [agi] Arthur Murray, i need your help.

- Original Message On Jan 23, 2019, 10:38 PM, justcamel < justca...@gmail.com> wrote: You are literally saying that "while(1){}" is as close to AGI as every other approach out there. You are either trolling or you are very bad at reading Perl code or you are very

Re: [agi] Arthur Murray, i need your help.

d can't do, but not if one entity can do everything. Can Murray's work do it? Maybe, maybe not. Can deepmind? Opencog? SOAR? I hold the same sentiment. Sent from ProtonMail mobile Original Message On Jan 23, 2019, 10:19 PM, justcamel < justca...@gmail.com> wro

Re: [agi] Arthur Murray, i need your help.

l Intelligence" by Winston from the mid 70s. He claims the theory can BE the program. (it is a cool book by the way from a much simpler era.) On Tuesday, January 22, 2019, justcamel mailto:justca...@gmail.com>> wrote: Ok this list really goes down the toilet ... ... if I took H

Re: [agi] Arthur Murray, i need your help.

Ok this list really goes down the toilet ... ... if I took Harry Potter books and fed it into a Brainfuck interpreter it would have a more meaningful output ... the guy can't write a proper line of code and I have not seen anything more meaningless in the entire history of Perl ... and now it

Re: [agi] First True AGI thinks about you.

You have released 4 books full of nonsense on Amazon featuring 1-star reviews only. You spam your nonsensical links on Reddit like every 12 hours. Nothing you do or write about has anything to do with AI let alone AGI. Your Perl code makes absolutely no sense and features no intelligence at

Re: [agi] Please, read this plan and tell me what you guys think about it

nd Facebook. They can because they have a combined market cap of $3 trillion. On Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 3:57 PM justcamel via AGI <mailto:agi@agi.topicbox.com> wrote: Until 10 years ago, I featured the very same worldview as 99% of academia today and was totally ignorant when

Re: [agi] Please, read this plan and tell me what you guys think about it

nscend its ego, to be free and to become pure unattached consciousness ready to move on. Nice wall of text ... Am 21.11.2018 um 22:54 schrieb Matt Mahoney via AGI: Justcamel, what makes you so sure your consciousness will survive after you die? I mean, a lot of people believe that with no

Re: [agi] Please, read this plan and tell me what you guys think about it

nning a simulation of your mind in a computer and modifying the software to produce any level of bliss you desire. But other beings that maintain their physical embodiment might repurpose the computer for more useful work. It's your choice. On Tue, Nov 20, 2018, 4:54 PM justcamel via AGI

Re: [agi] Please, read this plan and tell me what you guys think about it

Nirvana. But they will be out completed by agents that are best adapted to acquiring atoms and energy to reproduce the fastest. It doesn't mean that future AGI will build Dyson spheres and seed other solar systems, but evolution will favor those that do. On Sat, Nov 17, 2018, 10:15 PM justcamel via

Re: [agi] MindForth robot AI groks English prepositions

Is there anybody on this list who believes that the horrible Perl code at https://ai.neocities.org/perlmind.txt has anything to do with A(G)I? Do we really need a conversation about this pile of garbage every week? :-) Am 18.11.2018 um 00:40 schrieb Stefan Reich via AGI: I'm still waiting for

Re: [agi] Please, read this plan and tell me what you guys think about it

p.s.: Also forget about the "Kardashev scale". No civlization ever harvests the energy of a star nor galaxy. That's a concept which seems to be a valid idea for a timespan of merely a 100 years. It requires individuals "intelligent" enough in order to envision it while at the same time not