tamanaco;177752 Wrote:
A couple of questions...
I noticed that the resulting compression ratios and the file size of
tracks ripped using dBMC were a bit different than those ripped with
EAC, but I could not figured out how to change the compression ratio or
why the EAC ripped files are
great - thanks - will give it a go.
Out of interest, does anyone know of a website / book that shows how I
can make my own filter .wav files? E.g. if for example I wanted to make
a notch filter ...
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mmg_fan;177730 Wrote:
I can't beleive the number of 'reviews' of speaker cable. Frankly I have
a hard time believing that cable can really make an audible
diifference...
Anyways, I'm told that it can make a difference, so I'd like to invest
in something better than what I have.
I've
GaryB;177733 Wrote:
This thread was about how we can avoid having EVERY thread turn into a
discussion about DBT. I'm still looking for suggestions on how to
accomplish that and it needs some cooperation from the rest of the
community.
Thanks,
---Gary
I think a good suggestion was
I have purchased IC cables from these folks -
http://www.uhfmag.com/Cables.html
- they will accept returns for a full refund, less shipping costs.
And the terminations also make a difference, but mainly, make sure
everything is TIGHT!
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opaqueice wrote:
ErikM;177742 Wrote:
Start a DBT forum, this is supposed to be the audiophile forum. Frankley
if I hear a difference then for me it exists.. not saying better,
different.
Audiophile: literally, one who loves sound. Less literally, one who
cares about accurate reproduction
opaqueice;177741 Wrote:
There is simply no way to discuss audio quality seriously without blind
testing coming up.
I so completely disagree with this.
If I do a cable swap and find that the frequency response of my system
changes, why should I need to discuss blind testing?
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PhilNYC
PhilNYC wrote:
opaqueice;177741 Wrote:
There is simply no way to discuss audio quality seriously without blind
testing coming up.
I so completely disagree with this.
If I do a cable swap and find that the frequency response of my system
changes, why should I need to discuss blind
PhilNYC;177830 Wrote:
I so completely disagree with this.
If I do a cable swap and find that the frequency response of my system
changes, why should I need to discuss blind testing?
Well, it doesn't have to come up in every comment or thread. Blind
testing is a tool, like a voltmeter. If
Robin Bowes;177828 Wrote:
You're still missing the point.
I don't think *anyone* has said DBT is bad and shouldn't be used.
What we're saying is that you don't *have* to bring it up in *every*
thread; it gets very tiresome.
Actually that *has* been said several times on this forum.
opaqueice;177833 Wrote:
Well, it doesn't have to come up in every comment or thread. Blind
testing is a tool, like a voltmeter. If someone suggested we never
mention voltmeters, wouldn't you find that a bit odd?
Odd, but I wouldn't object.. ;-)
But blind testing is actually a lot more
My friend, PhilNYC argues quite reasonably that some differences in
sound quality are so obvious that double blind testing isn't
necessary.
PhilNYC;177835 Wrote:
. . .In the cases where the magnitude of change is great enough, I also
see no need to discuss double-blind testing. For example,
ceejay;177765 Wrote:
Theres a set of command line options on flac.exe (-0 to -8) to make it
try harder to compress, though it takes a lot longer for not very much
extra compression.
Its also conceivable that the gaps are being handled differently,
though that would make some tracks bigger
Denjo;177757 Wrote:
feel no real need to mod or upgrade!
Now that doesn't happen too often around here ;-) You don't even want
to get a battery?
I'll be able to hear the Altmann dac soon through our audio club here
in Houston. Looking forward to that. Lot's of positive talk on the web
about
GaryB;177842 Wrote:
I respectfully request that our thought police leave us alone to our
follies. We're not hurting anyone and it would be a boring place
indeed if everyone thought exactly the same way.
Thought police? Strange - have you forgotten the subject of your own
thread?
Other
Btw - with all the discussion about testing methods for listening, I
thought I'd post something here that I posted on AudioAsylum.com a few
months ago. Would love to get thoughts from folks here as to whether a
test as described below would be enough to convince you that a real
difference was
I've tried Benchmark DAC1, VDA-2 with HC PS, Audio Aero Prima Mark II,
amongst others. I tried a 10 Ah SLA battery but could the differences
between battery powered and AC was not substantial. Maybe the Optima
RedTop makes a BIG difference! Difficult to source for the RedTop in
Singapore. Will
PhilNYC;177853 Wrote:
Btw - with all the discussion about testing methods for listening, I
thought I'd post something here that I posted on AudioAsylum.com a few
months ago. Would love to get thoughts from folks here as to whether a
test as described below would be enough to convince you
Denjo;177855 Wrote:
I've tried Benchmark DAC1
Cool, that one is one my list too. What would you say are the
differences between the Altmann and the Benchmark?
Did you put the Altmann in a casing, or is it just sitting naked on a
shelf? :-)
jan
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P Floding;177856 Wrote:
Out of curiosity, what kind of change was it that you could apply
without interrupting anything?
I'm not going to mention what the tweak was, because I don't want that
to influence the discussion about testing methods.
A couple of other points about this specific
PhilNYC;177863 Wrote:
I'm not going to mention what the tweak was, because I don't want that
to influence the discussion about testing methods.
A couple of other points about this specific test:
- In no instance did anyone raise their hand *before* I implemented the
tweak. This
Just a comment on my experience:
I use EAC, dBpowerAmp (latest R12), Foobar2000, Mediamonkey and the
Godfather. They all have their strengths and sometimes one will work
when the others won't.
Yesterday I tried ripping a seedee with dBpowerAmp and it would not get
the last track. EAC ripped it
opaqueice;177639 Wrote:
Well, one can only take that attitude so far and still be considered an
audiophile! After all, in the 1920's people danced
to music played over victrolas and primitive (by our standards) radios,
but very few are satisfied with that sound quality now. So let's ask
P Floding;177865 Wrote:
In what manner were the hands raised?
Could the noise from clothing have been picked up?
Could the act of people moving their hands have altered the acoustics?
My opinion is that noise from clothing or other audible clues were not
probable. The music was playing at
Did applying the tweak make any noise? In a quiet room even something
like pressing a button or you moving around slightly is clearly
audible, which can be a problem in blind tests where you switch on the
fly.
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opaqueice
PhilNYC;177851 Wrote:
If the differences are small enough that a DBT would be necessary to
prove the difference exists, then I wouldn't feel that it was worth the
trouble to do the DBT.
That's my position, mostly.
It reminds me of an issue I had many years back. The (original) Star
Wars
The importance of cables is highly debateable.
Have a look at this link:
http://www.avihifi.co.uk/Important/cables.html
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opaqueice;177896 Wrote:
Yeah, the player piano is the gold standard of musical reproduction! Do
they really cost that much?
Oh, I would say the Player Piano is simple compared to the Wurlitzer
Military Band Organ in a carousel.
Or the home version:
snarlydwarf;177898 Wrote:
Oh, I would say the Player Piano is simple compared to the Wurlitzer
Military Band Organ in a carousel.
Or the home version:
http://www.debencemusicworld.com/MilitaryBand.htm
Looks better than some systems I've heard...but WAF still is way too
low...
--
Phil
I'm skeptical that speaker cables can make an audible difference, too.
But if you're going to try something, check out
http://anticables.com/home.html; it could save you a lot of money.
--
Ron Olsen
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to: ted_b
well the files I converted are truly 24 / 96 kHz (although upsampled
from 88.2 kHz source material).
I have left them in WAV so there are no tags.
transporter lists the correct values (24 / 96) of the WAV playing.
my whole library is still WAV since I don't trust FLAC so far. have
PhilNYC;177879 Wrote:
My opinion is that noise from clothing or other audible clues were not
probable. The music was playing at about 86db measured at the primary
listening position, and I'm pretty sure most were intent on listening
to the music (and not focused on listening for other
For what it's worth:
Telling the subjects to raise their hand when they noticed a change
wasn't necessarily unblinding the test, as long as there was a
possibility that no change would happen during the course of the test.
Having multiple subjects in the same room, even with their eyes closed,
I have tried a few over the years and these are my favourite. Merlin
C12
http://www.canadianhifi.com/products/detailed/1046.htm
http://www.canadianhifi.com/products/detailed/1074.htm
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CatBus;177935 Wrote:
Invest in a one-way mirror if you want to try for double-blind.
I agree with what you are saying, except that double-blind implies that
the one performing the experiment does not know what he/she is doing.
Not sure how a one-way mirror will help in acheiving this..
P Floding;177945 Wrote:
I agree with what you are saying, except that double-blind implies that
the one performing the experiment does not know what he/she is doing.
Not sure how a one-way mirror will help in acheiving this..
Example of double-blind is when the doctor handing out the
2nd on the anti cables. At around 80.00 they replaced my 3,000.00
cables.
I will happily sell you the 3,000.00 cables for 1,500.00 :-)
I mean , they are sooo much better :-)
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Phil Leigh;177909 Wrote:
Not the old mechanical ones - but Yamaha made an electronic one - I
think Elton John (!) has one - you can record on it and it plays it
back exactly...
Midi + SteinBerg's The Grand will do this :)
Just get (an alive) Glenn Gould over for the evening and you're
jmourik;166366 Wrote:
Well, I still have to receive four response seams for the left and right
walls
The seams arrived last Friday. They are definately not as nice looking
as the Adapt, but what can you expect, they're much cheaper. Easy too
mount too, just use the provided pushpins. I do
My current loudspeaker cable is the 6mm^2 one here:
http://www.clasohlson.se/Product/Product.aspx?id=253112
Art.nr: 49-228-5
SEK 229,00 for 10 meters. About $30 or so.
Terminated with good spades.
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P Floding
No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if
you ask
opaqueice;177893 Wrote:
Did applying the tweak make any noise? In a quiet room even something
like pressing a button or you moving around slightly is clearly
audible, which can be a problem in blind tests where you switch on the
fly.
The tweak is almost silent, and with the music playing
P Floding;177917 Wrote:
Even if 86dB sounds like a highish volume I suspect the music didn't
pump out that level continously?
The song used was Willie Nelson's Georgia On My Mind from his
Stardust album. While it is a somewhat quiet/intimate track, there are
no parts where things are
PhilNYC;177976 Wrote:
The song used was Willie Nelson's Georgia On My Mind from his Stardust
album. While it is a somewhat quiet/intimate track, there are no parts
where things are absolutely silent.
But 6 people raised their arms pretty much simultaneously...
It may convince you,
Codmate;177952 Wrote:
Midi + SteinBerg's The Grand will do this :)
Just get (an alive) Glenn Gould over for the evening and you're sorted!
Yeah - same basic idea...but you can't beat having an ACTUAL grand
piano playing :0)
--
Phil Leigh
Phil Leigh;177990 Wrote:
Yeah - same basic idea...but you can't beat having an ACTUAL grand piano
playing :0)
Didn't Boesendorfer at some point make one of their pianos that would
very accurately record how you played it, and then play itself back
that way?
If I remember correctly, the thing
P Floding;177982 Wrote:
It may convince you, but it wouldn't convince a sceptic. So the effort
is only meaningful to you. I'm acting the sceptic here to point out all
things that may invalidate the test.
Certainly I understand that this was not a scientific test. I guess
part of my reason
Sorry I'm late to the party here.
Truckfighters you're REDGUM is very nice looking indeed. If it sounds
anything like my REDGUM RGi120 I'm sure you are in sonic heaven. My
RGi120 displaced my trusty ole YBA Integre DT. I have paired my RGi120
up with numerous speakers and it has sounded awesome
PhilNYC;177973 Wrote:
The tweak is almost silent, and with the music playing at 85-86db, I am
99% sure no one heard the actual tweak being implemented.
If you're looking to prove something, you need to prove it. Every
assumption you make has to be independently tested, or you need to
modify
CatBus;178001 Wrote:
If you're looking to prove something, you need to prove it. Every
assumption you make has to be independently tested, or you need to
modify your original test to not include those assumptions.
I wasn't looking to scientifically prove anything. I was looking to
provide
PhilNYC;177997 Wrote:
Certainly I understand that this was not a scientific test. I guess
part of my reason for bringing it up is to see to what extent people
feel scientific tests are a must. When I hear comments such as
people might have heard others raising their hand (making them feel
To test the true sound of the upconverted 24/96, can the 24/96 file be
burned to a DVD-Video disc and played through a DVD player, or burned as
a DVD-Audio disc and played through a DVD-A player? JCR
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jrobbins
P Floding;178003 Wrote:
If you PM me about the tweak, I'll see if I can come up with some
real-world reasons it might alter the sound of the system!
Nope! :-)
Remember: Even an outlandish explanation can be attached to something
simple that actually affects things! (Most explanations in
PhilNYC:
Stop pulling Clever Little Clocks out of your pocket.
-MA
PhilNYC wrote:
P Floding;177982 Wrote:
It may convince you, but it wouldn't convince a sceptic. So the effort
is only meaningful to you. I'm acting the sceptic here to point out all
things that may invalidate the test.
PhilNYC;178006 Wrote:
Nope! :-)
OK, let me put it this way then:
Anything physically placed on a component may alter the vibration
patterns in that component. (So it is not magic) It may even alter
magnetic fields generated from within that component.
Anything electrical put in any circuit
Michael Amster;178012 Wrote:
PhilNYC:
Stop pulling Clever Little Clocks out of your pocket.
-MA
Admittedly, that one is so outlandish I won't even give it a try... :-)
--
PhilNYC
Sonic Spirits Inc.
http://www.sonicspirits.com
P Floding;178010 Wrote:
OK, let me put it this way then:
Anything physically placed on a component may alter the vibration
patterns in that component. (So it is not magic) It may even alter
magnetic fields generated from within that component.
According to many people here, vibration
PhilNYC;178016 Wrote:
According to many people here, vibration control qualifies as
mysticism.
Yep, agreed, although these too have been called mystic by some.
Yep again!
I know someone who makes a point of taking his glasses off his face
when he listens (to reduce the
P Floding;178010 Wrote:
OK, let me put it this way then:
Anything physically placed on a component may alter the vibration
patterns in that component. (So it is not magic) It may even alter
magnetic fields generated from within that component.
And it remains to be shown how vibration
CanuckAudioMart -- I noticed earlier after a google search that the OP's
requested cables are there, used.
When I meant TIGHT, I meant tight with a PostMan tool, NOT using a
12Inch Adjustable reafed down.
The 10% rule is what I try to cable with: $1000 speakers, then $100 for
the cables, the
Here's some information on speaker cable from Roger Russell, a longtime
McIntosh engineer:
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm
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USAudio
SB3 - PS Audio Trio C-100 - Revel Concerta F12's
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PhilNYC;178002 Wrote:
I wasn't looking to scientifically prove anything. I was looking to
provide enough evidence to go beyond a reasonable doubt.
Same thing. Scientifically proven doesn't mean it's written in stone.
It just means it passes the best intellectual rigor we can manage at the
snarlydwarf;178031 Wrote:
And it remains to be shown how vibration affects semiconductors or
even that it does. Which is why magical feet on a SB sound like
mysticism: on a turntable: absolutely 100% vibration matters -- the
tone arm is designed to pick up and amplify vibrations, so
Thats true. I have a Telarc disc 'A Window In Time- Rachmaninoff
performs his solo piano works'. They transcribed piano rolls created by
Rachmaninoff himself for use on the Bosendorfer 290SE Reproducing Piano.
One of my favorite solo piano discs. Very well recorded although there
is a bit of low
Kimber 8TC is a pretty versatile cable.
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USAudio;178039 Wrote:
Here's some information on speaker cable from Roger Russell, a longtime
McIntosh engineer:
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm
Excellent article! Bottom line: keep wire runs as short as possible,
and use a heavy-enough gauge wire to keep resistance low. Expensive
snarlydwarf;178031 Wrote:
And it remains to be shown how vibration affects semiconductors or
even that it does. Which is why magical feet on a SB sound like
mysticism: on a turntable: absolutely 100% vibration matters -- the
tone arm is designed to pick up and amplify vibrations, so
P Floding;178069 Wrote:
BTW, isn't it funny how objectivists get worked up about differences
in specs down to -140 dB noise floor, and yet can dismiss external
influences from vibration, electrical fields, etc? Do these people have
any idea what sort of magnitudes these figures represent?
CatBus;178078 Wrote:
If dismiss means needs some sort of evidence then it's not that
funny ;)
The objectivist label can get self-misapplied just like the
audiophile label. It's not like there's a membership badge you have
to earn.
The exploring mind doesn't dismiss things because the
I have ripped approximately 600 CDs to FLAC using EAC, and will probably
make the jump to dBpowerAMP now that the new R12 version is out. I have
been playing with it the past few days and I like it very much.
I also use Audacity occasionally as a tool. I edit tags using
TagRename.
-Ron
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P Floding;178080 Wrote:
The exploring mind doesn't dismiss things because the evidence isn't
already placed on the table for him.
The burden of evidence is always on the curious mind. There are plenty
of incurious folks who can understand the evidence once it's there.
There are also many
CatBus;178085 Wrote:
The burden of evidence is always on the curious mind. There are plenty
of incurious folks who can understand the evidence once it's there.
There are also many curious folks with no interest in evidence
whatsoever. The world's a big place. There are even curious
The Smokester;177867 Wrote:
Just a comment on my experience:
I use EAC, dBpowerAmp (latest R12), Foobar2000, Mediamonkey and the
Godfather. They all have their strengths and sometimes one will work
when the others won't.
Yesterday I tried ripping a seedee with dBpowerAmp and it would
P Floding;178087 Wrote:
Yes, of course.
But there is a difference between being able to fathom that something
may be possible, even though not researched yet, and dismissing
outright anything strange as being impossible (what I call a
nay-sayer).
It's all in tone. Unless there's any
You can sell your car, and, if it was a pretty good and new car, you can
buy these:
http://transparentcable.com/products/audio/opus_mm_spkcable.html
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P Floding
No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if
you ask me.)
thomsens;177205 Wrote:
I don't know that I completely agree here. The transporter has made the
notion of owning a CD player unimportant to me. If you look at the
devices it eliminates from a system and the fact that your music is
much more accessible, the cost is much less of an issue. A
Here something for a bit of a laugh for even the most subjectivist
amongst us:
http://umsonline.org/CourseDescriptns.htm
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P Floding
No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if
you ask me.)
Jan
The Benchmark DAC1 was really good. It gives you exactly what is on
redbook, no more and no less. It is well engineered, carefully thought
out and has a headphone jack which I particularly liked for late night
listening. The Benchmark would have been my choice if I had not chosen
the Altmann,
Denjo;177855 Wrote:
I've tried Benchmark DAC1, VDA-2 with HC PS, Audio Aero Prima Mark II,
amongst others. I tried a 10 Ah SLA battery but could the differences
between battery powered and AC was not substantial. Maybe the Optima
RedTop makes a BIG difference! Difficult to source for the
Denjo;178094 Wrote:
Having lived with the Altmann, the Benchmark was perfect to a flaw. I
found longterm listening quite fatiquing because the sound was sterile
and clinical, lacking that oomph (warmth) factor which I find the
Altmann excels in spades.
Thanks for that description! I tend to
After reading several of the threads relating to linear power supplies,
I figured I would spend the $25 or so and try the Globe Tek linear
supply.
I am going to start by saying that I know how controversial this
subject has been in the past, so the following is only my opinion, that
is it.
Ron F.;178092 Wrote:
Yes - I have seen those super-expensive espresso makers and I know
people who have bought them too - so point taken. But ... espresso is
an addictive drug:)
-Ron
So is music.
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Konut
I was using a cheap S-47 Panasonic DVD player (digital OUT). The VDA*2
was smooth and analog sounding, non-fatiguing but I would guess
requires a GOOD transport to sound its best! The anti-jitter feature in
Altmann and Benchmark means that you can get really good sound using an
inexpensive
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