RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting AncestryDNA results

hould, because my grandfather was born in Germany.My father has no such matches. They are all Portuguese, except for one from Chile, because one of our ancestors was born there. Our Portuguese ancestry is mostly from Pico and Terceira, with a few very remote lines from Faial, S.Jorge, Graciosa and S.M

RE: _[AZORES-Genealogy]_Seródio_nickname

Hi Eliseu,Do you mean that he was born past his due date?Or something more vague like a throw back to another time?How about someone who was always late in all things they do? That might be everyone who pays no attention to a time schedule, as we've been reading in other messages.Maybe it's someone

[AZORES-Genealogy] Seródio nickname

There is a large number of descendants named Seródio in Terceira and since my own ancestors are the parents of the first one (they did not seem to use it). So I decided to look up the meaning of this alcunha.Using Google, I found seródio translates to "serotinous" which I have never heard before.It

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA site

It will be of great interest to many that all of Graciosa has been scanned.However, when it actually appears online is still a big question.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealog

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Bischo/Bisho

Great explanation, Manoel.Obrigado!Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Bischo/Bisho From: mances Date: Sat, March 23, 2013 9:29 am To: azores@goog

[AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese language class - Sacramento, CA

I have just been sent information to be posted on the Sacramento PHCS website about their offering of a Portuguese language class.I have posted it here:http://www.sacramentophcs.com/ All the information is there. But you can also contact PHCS president Mary Ann Marshall (and list member here):Mary

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bischo/Bisho

He must have been quite the talker.I'm not certain, but I believe I have run across that family once while searching somewhere.Pam, it means "for example."Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: R

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bischo/Bisho

rtuguese Pioneers of the Sacramento Area, in which it mentions the Nordeste family from Piedade, Pico. The person with that alcunha was given it because one eye looked off in another direction. Someone there came up with "north east" (Nordeste) which was then passed down through the la

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bischo/Bisho

Pam,I know that there are some from Pico and Flores who used Bicho (also spelled Bixo).Surely it's an alcunha.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bischo/Bisho

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Cabral Family

les in the islands. I found it in the Forjaz book for the Quatro Ilhas. A link to a lady on Pico whose husband was a capitao brought me back to Van der Hagen the first Terra, the first Brum, first Madruga, etc. I can tell you it was a real thrill. Now if I can do the same thing for some other lines tha

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Cabral Family

Wow, Manoel.Talk about being handed their genealogy on a platter!You might find more links to her soon... as I just found some more ancestors she has from Sao Jose, PD.I'll let her tell you about them.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] HOW TO ASSIGN 4TH COUSIN 3 TIMES REMOVED

Hi Cheryl,I didn't note all the matches, but I know I lost some of the more remote ones. I guess you were one of them.Do you have Terceira ancestors, if not any from Pico?Any idea how we might match? I don't have you in my genealogy program, at least not by your name, so I can'

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] HOW TO ASSIGN 4TH COUSIN 3 TIMES REMOVED

I didn't realize you are Judy Thompson.You are projected as a 5th cousin for my father and for me and it's an example of people with Lajes do Pico ancestry linking to my family, but the link is beyond what the records can prove.The link could come from your Mamão line, or Nicolau de Áv

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] HOW TO ASSIGN 4TH COUSIN 3 TIMES REMOVED

usin and friend of mine, Fil Simas with ancestors from both Lajes do Pico and Sao Roque do Pico, shows as a 4th cousin projection, but I think it was a 5th or 6th between us.And I have so many matches with people whose ancestors are from the Lajes do Pico area and where the records run out in about 1

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Opinion on a hard to read name

Pam,You are 100% correct.I don't know what record they were looking at, but if they tried to trace that line (de Barbosa da Costa), they would come up empty. In fact, I don't think there is such thing as "de Barbosa" unless that's also a location, but I have never seen any Barbosa family using "de"

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinion on a hard to read name

Altino,Without any doubt, it's Manuel Pires (written as mel pires), as many have also said.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Opinion on a hard to read name From: Altino De

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1910 casamentos - Vila Nova, Terceira

Yup, that's precisely my conclusion, as well.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1910 casamentos - Vila Nova, Terceira From: Kalani N Date: Fri, Ma

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1910 casamentos - Vila Nova, Terceira

Hi Emil,Neither do I have any problem with that.The problem is that there are no records for 1910 and I wanted to confirm everyone else was getting the same results as me.It's now resolved as to the existence of a problem, but the records from 1910 are still not there yet.Thanks for checking.Doug d

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1910 casamentos - Vila Nova, Terceira

Hi Cheri,Thanks for the confirmation along with Pam's.I have been in touch with the CCA and at first they couldn't figure out what was missing.But they finally see it and are working on it.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Or

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1910 casamentos - Vila Nova, Terceira

Yea, that's what I'm getting.Thanks for your time, Pam.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1910 casamentos - Vila Nova, Terceira From: Pam Santos

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1910 casamentos - Vila Nova, Terceira

Cheri,Did you click on the 1910 image?I get all the others. I don't get more than just the one from 1910.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1910 casamentos - Vila Nova,

[AZORES-Genealogy] 1910 casamentos - Vila Nova, Terceira

Is anyone able to view any of the 1910 images found on this index page?http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-VILANOVA-C-1900-1911/TER-PV-VILANOVA-C-1900-1911_item1/index.html For me, it takes me to the very last page of the 1910 images (page 12) and there are no other images s

[AZORES-Genealogy] Genea membership

Hi Eliseu,I used to be able to view all the pages on www.genea.org but they don't allow it anymore without a membership. And when I was interested enough to get one, it turns out there is a yearly fee.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mourning period

Hi Alda,Which island are you from?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mourning period From: Alda Jorge Date: Mon, March 11, 2013 12:54 pm To:

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Entering your places in your genealogy program

e.I don't think I would want to state the church when it comes to Portuguese locations. It gets too long.Igreja de São Roque, São Roque, concelho de São Roque, ilha do Pico, distrito de Angra, Açores, Portugal, Europe, Planet Earth, etc.I think my descendant would thank me I kept it as short as

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Entering your places in your genealogy program

Good point, Cheri.My standard location will be like this:São Roque, Pico, AçoresI don't use abbreviations and I don't state Portugal after Açores. I don't use Azores.For a city with more than one freguesia:São Pedro, Angra, Terceira, AçoresFor a location on the continent:Mercês, Lis

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] A town called Etras?

Maybe it's Elvas on the mainland.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] A town called Etras? From: "Eliseu Silva" Date: Sun, March 10, 2013 2:08 am

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] burials

Hi Shirl,You wrote:I went to the page that had my grandmother's tombstone on it and it has the name of the other woman (Johnson).  Since that lady died in the late 1880s, my grandmother must be buried on top of her.  Maybe my father just said she was buried in the same grave.  No mention of my gran

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] burials

Hi Mike,I pasted in your comments into my ancestor's notes and realized you told me most of this before.While noticing that, I saw you mentioned you know the parents of the two children buried there.Perhaps you can send their names to this list in case anyone might recognize them.One is Emília Cout

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] burials

Hi Shirl,It would be interesting to ask at the cemetery just why that happened. They have records of payments for the upkeep and so maybe they can figure it out.When I located my great grandfather's grave in the Lutheran cemetery in Queens, NY, I told my uncle about it and he sent them money for th

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] burials

is that my ancestor Manuel Joaquim Leal, who make his fortune in construction in Chile, moved back to the Azores and settled in Angra. You already know he was native of Piedade, Pico. He needed an operation for some reason and was rich enough to seek out the best. He ended up going to Lowell, Mas

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] burials

Hi Shirl,Do you have any idea how or why that happens?I can understand that for the Azores, because if some family doesn't pay for the upkeep, it will be used by anyone else.My grandfather is buried in the Conceição, Angra cemetery and I don't remember now, but there are many others buried in that

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Pacheco!!! How many they are?!?!?!

Hi Mike,I don't know this João J. Pacheco, either.Since the first person in the grave is my ancestor - the same one who married my ancestor from Chile - I think those who followed in being buried there are more likely friends or in-laws of your ancestor's generation.Pacheco is found in

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] switching names - research tip

t that the priest might have simply made a mistake if this variation happened only once.Oftentimes the variation will occur when she is listed as grandmother and not mother of the baptized child.Glad my message was of some help to your research.Do you happen to have any ancestors from Pico or Te

[AZORES-Genealogy] switching names - research tip

everyone who ever was born or lived in Terceira (and also Pico island). So until today, I never searched for baptisms for this couple and when I found the first child with the reversal of RIBEIRO GOMES to GOMES RIBEIRO, it all started to fall into place what was going on here - the common name var

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Jews

of Jewish origin, at least.In any case, it's pretty interesting. It makes me wonder about trade between the Azores and Amsterdam Jews. These names, all adopted by Jews, are so similar to names found through the Azores.Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico & Terceira Gen

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Jews

ugh the Azores. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico & Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Violante Pimentel From: blanca de lima <blancadel...@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, March 01, 2013 2:40 pm To: "d...@dholmes.com&quo

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] PALCUS survey

this with also concurred), that there will be not be political things on this list. 3) If you find this of interest and Doug's link does not work for you, don't tell me and DON'T HIT REPLY and tell the list.  Email Doug directly and ask him what to do: pico at dholmes.com  That me

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Simão Velho & Isabel de Andrade - ilha de Santa Maria

be in the freguesia of Nossa Senhora da Assunção, Vila do Porto.  As far as I know, no one has compiled a database from the Mother Church.  If you wish to look further I'll offer the LDS film numbers. DenisOn Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:16 AM, <p...@dholmes.com> wrote: I have run across in

[AZORES-Genealogy] SS Harpalien to Hawaii - 1912

I had written this question for the list, but then answered myself. Look at the bottom for the answer:There is a person named Leal who might have arrived from the Azores to Hawaii aboard the ship Harpalien in 1912 and so I was looking to see if this list has been extracted by anyone and available o

[AZORES-Genealogy] Simão Velho & Isabel de Andrade - ilha de Santa Maria

I have run across in my research in Pico a couple named Simão Velho and Isabel de Andrade, whose son Francisco ended up living in Pico. His marriage says he is simply native of Ilha de Santa Maria. I estimate he was born maybe about 1710-1715 and that his parents were married about 1700-1710.I

[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA match

I found a possible 4th cousin when comparing Family Finder test kits "Ms. alois" .Even though this is a recent match from only 2 days ago, my email bounced.Is there any chance this person, Alois Mello, is on this list or anyone know her new email?Thanks,Doug da Rocha Holm

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] LEWIS as a surname from Portugal

I have many Luis ancestors. I think some are from Pico, but I know many are from Terceira, such as my Gonçalves Luís line. I have always considered it simply a first name used as a surname.Here is my line:Manuel Gonçalves Luís, son of Jacinto Gonçalves, the son of Luís Gonçalves.So in this case

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

Hi Susan,Have you considered the chance that maybe Nichols came from Nicolau?It's usually a first name, of course, but you know how that can also end up as a surname when someone has an ancestor with the more unusual name like that.Funny about the name Mary Agnes mentioned. My grandmother was Mary

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA test results

the wrong direction.I found a similar mistake by Jorge Forjaz, so even experienced people will make them. He might have taken someone else's word for it. Maybe pressed for time, I don't know.But the result is a huge mistake in the source of the TELES name origin for Pico island. He say

[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder DNA test results

both Pico and Terceira. But it was her Terceira ancestry that I looked at first and found a proven link. Since the tree she has in her gedcom doesn't show living people, I don't know if it's her tree or she is just the administrator for someone else who was tested. So I can't sa

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trouble Finding Achada Couples Marriages 1850-1860

If they had any kids from July 1st, 1860 forward, then look at the baptisms and it should say where they married.It might also say that info in prior records, but it's not usual.Boa sorte.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Ori

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Island of my dreams

Romanian - one of the Romance languages. The Slavic languages sound very different. I can distinguish between Russian, Slovak or Czech because I hear Slovak daily.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Su

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Island of my dreams

Pam,Although my father speaks Portuguese, which he learned while the family lived in Brazil before I was born, I also never heard it spoken until my first trip to Portugal in 1992.My cousins in Lisboa also know English, so it worked great for me. My impression was and is still that Portuguese sound

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Picoenses in the diaspora

om Spain. There is one from Italy in the older records.Of course, Avila is originally from Spain and maybe that's the one your family was thinking about when they said that. You surely know Avila is all over Ribeiras and just about every Pico, Faial, and Sao Jorge village.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacrame

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Picoenses in the diaspora

Hi Patricia,It's been a real long time since we've "talked."Hope you're doing well.If my memory serves, you have ancestors from either Lajes or Ribeiras, Pico, right?I've been doing a ton of Ribeiras research of late. I'm trying to find living descendants, othe

[AZORES-Genealogy] Picoenses in the diaspora

Picoenses = people from PicoI was doing research today in Rosário, Lagoa, São Miguel Island, on the Costa Venáncio family and while researching baptisms I was rewarded with the nice find of a person from Piedade, Pico Island.There was another from São Pedro, Angra, Terceira Island in those

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealogias da Ilha Terceira

Thanks, Joao, and all the others with their suggestions whom I've answered privately.Unfortunately, the many emails I sent early on to Guarda.Mor went completely unanswered. It's like they are hoping I go away by ignoring me.Luckily my Quatro Ilhas volumes had no such problems, also from Dislivro,

[AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogias da Ilha Terceira

I was recently reminded of a situation I have with a book publisher called Guarda-Mor in Portugal and am wondering if this also happened to anyone else. This book company was responsible for getting pre-orders for the 10 volume series of the Terceira genealogy books published years ago by Jorge For

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record

I have recorded "unknown mother" 40 times and am certain I saw many that I didn't record.Look for Emilia:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-B-1824-1844/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-B-1824-1844_item1/P102.html Look for Tomas:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/T

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record

I have seen "unknown mother" many times, in fact.But it is still unusual enough to remember it well.It seems to happen mostly with wealthy and important fathers. I know cases where Dr. so and so is the father.In Faial and Terceira are some families like Teles that it happened several times. Same fo

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Searching for information on Francisco De Simas / Jose Francisco De Simas / Jose Silva De Simas

Yea, Cheri. "Pure" isn't a good choice of words. I meant "stronger" or "more" Portuguese DNA by testing the older generations.Thanks for pointing that out.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Searching for information on Francisco De Simas / Jose Francisco De Simas / Jose Silva De Simas

and still couldn't find any logical connection to the one Amy is looking for. My ancestor has no lost sibling like that, nor did his parents. But JR is right. The best chance (in the Azores) is Pico. Simas is also found on Faial, rarely on Flores, here and there on Terceira and Sao Jorge, lots on Sao

[AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese genealogy research tip

I was just doing lots of Terceira research today and ran across a very common situation that might confound a beginning researcher.In 1816, I found a marriage of a couple where the bride's parents are listed simply as Manuel Machado and Maria Josefa.These are about as plan a pair of names as is pos

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Searching for information on Francisco De Simas / Jose Francisco De Simas / Jose Silva De Simas

best chance (in the Azores) is Pico. Simas is also found on Faial, rarely on Flores, here and there on Terceira and Sao Jorge, lots on Sao Miguel (where all Azorean Simas are ultimately from), several on Graciosa, there are many possibilities.Even our esteemed leader, Cheri Mello has Simas ancestry! :

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sad Computer Story

Hi Robert,Yea, I've lost some research worth maybe a week or a month and that alone is terrible, to say the least.One thing I do, since I have a website, is upload critical data to a private folder on my website. I use GoDaddy and even though it can be many GBs worth, there still seems to be always

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 3 priests at wedding

Was it unusual  to have 3 priests attend a wedding.  Two priests were from Rabo de Peixe parrish of Bom Jesus and are listed as testemunhas " witnesses" and the other priest was from Nossa Senhora dos Prazeres, Pico da Pedra. This is from early 1800s. Was it because it was a respected  fa

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors from Pico

cha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors from Pico From: <p...@dholmes.com> Date: Mon, January 07, 2013 10:37 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Hi Bob,I'll look up your a

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors from Pico

Hi Bob,I'll look up your ancestors later and see if we're related.Often people with Lajes do Pico ancestry have one or two lines that come from the north side of the island and I can find a link to them.But in regards your DNA test, Cheri is the best to answer that. If I understand you

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family

Dan,I know this Terceira family.Contact me here if interested:terce...@dholmes.comDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Verissimo Family From: Dan Goodman

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors from Faial and Terceira 1800s

Thanks to my massive database, I know this Terceira family. :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestors from Faial and Terceira 1800s From: Cheri Mello Date:

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] How many years back is my DNA match?

Thanks, Rick.I wonder about this circumstance. If people are a perfect 37/37 match, I know they can be tested to 67 or 111.What if they are a 67/67 match? Does it say anywhere the probability of which generation they match at? What about 111/111 match, are they brothers?That was very helpful.Thanks

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call

Hi Diane,Your match is to a person whose most remote paternal ancestor was born in Lajes do Pico, I estimate, in about 1700.His name was Antonio de Avila.The name Silva in both your family and that of the person you know was also tested can be explained by the fact Avila is often paired with

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call

Thanks for clarifying that, Cheri.I had no idea there was a public page for those results.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call From: Cheri Mello Date: Sat, Ja

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores DNA Project

uld be best to be on this paternal line.At least that way there is some chance they can overcome that hurdle over time as more and more people get tested and the database grows.There is a person with ancestors from Sao Roque do Pico whose ancestor was born to a single mother and pai incognito. I he

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup

Hi Kay,Do you know the birthplace of your oldest known grandmother on the maternal line?Is it the Azores?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup From: "kim..."

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup

I just compared my father's mtDNA line with mine from Hungary. Much is the same, but there are some slight differences at the end. These are my own results:A16129G T16187C C16189T T16223C G16230A C16261T T16278C G16310A C16311T C16519T Results from my father's line: HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup

6187C C16189T T16223C G16230A T16278C T16298C C16311T C16320T I see there is a similar number to your evolved number.Our maternal line goes back through Pico to one Leonor Toste, born about 1547. Toste is relatively rare on Pico and I believe she was more likely born in Terceira, where Tos

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call

gnacio Silva, shows that Joao was from Horta Matriz, Faial, with unknown parents, but we have no other information about him. His wife was Clara Florinda, daughter of Francisco Ignacio da Costa and Maria Clara, from Flamengos, Faial.  My nephew has an exact match with someone whose ancestors are probab

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call

Karen,I found at least one link between us - very remote.One of your end of the line ancestors is Isabel da Rocha, born about 1577 in Sao Bartolomeu, Terceira.She is the source of one of my Rocha lines from Terceira.And she was surely a neighbor of my other ancestor, Miguel Gil.I have a guess who h

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call

Hi Karen,I don't know if it's the same Pereira Gil family, but the one I know goes back to Urzelina, Sao Jorge in the early 1700s on the direct paternal line.I'll have to check your other branches, because I have little doubt we are somehow distantly related.Interesting coincidence that we both hav

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Y-DNA roll call

Hi Tomas,Leal (and Silveira) are so common on Pico, I wonder whether you line goes back from Faial to Pico...Thanks,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Y-DNA roll call From: Tomas Leal <tom

[AZORES-Genealogy] Y-DNA roll call

How about this idea?Let's do a Y-DNA roll call and anyone who has a direct paternal ancestral line that has at least one of the ancestors born in the Azores.So if you or someone you are related to got the Y-DNA test done through any company, like Ancestry.com, FTDNA, 23andMe, etc, and are willing t

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira

Are there any Y-DNA matches between people with Azores ancestry yet?About the SNPs, I see "private" ones are uncommon:Some Y-DNA subbranch markers, SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms), are restricted to a single family that is related in genealogical times (1 to 15 generations). These are family

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira

Maybe before you take any time to answer me, I found this faqs page and am learning some basics:http://www.familytreedna.com/faq/answers/default.aspx?faqid=26#314 Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealo

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira

Hi Rick,OK, I didn't know what I was looking for and just happened upon the "badge" and that lead me to the answer.They say:Your predicted Haplogroup: R1b1a2Shorthand: R-M269There are options to order SNPs for $29 each. I wonder what that's about. I'm sure it's a complicated answer, but if you know

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira

Cheri, Rick or Pam,Where do I find the full description of the Y-DNA test results on the FTDNA website?I see tabs for Family Finder and Y testing, but the pop down menu doesn't seem to lead me to that answer.Thanks,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Or

[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA haplogroup from Terceira

Very, very interesting, Nancy.No doubt looks play a part in ancestral origins. But there could be a maternal branch along the direct paternal line that might account for those looks and have nothing to do with the actual Y-DNA direct line.In your case, perhaps more of the remote paternal ancestors,

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Very Interesting Article - Jews in the Azores

Very interesting. I never heard a thing about it.It brings to mind how DNA testing, especially male y-DNA testing, can help resolve this type of question when the article ends with: “I can still feel the presence of the Jews here,” I said, to no one in particular.“Yes,” said one of the women from t

[AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Amaro, PIco

Hi Nancy,Out of curiosity, what street is your house located in Santo Amaro, Pico?I have many ancestors from Santo Amaro. I would have to look, but I think when it was stated, it was said to be in the Terra Alta area.When I was there, I drove in a rental and parked at the top of a street that I

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico

Valente is simply a variation and a logical choice.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico From: nancy jean baptiste <fishsongf...@hotmail.com> Date: Sun, December 30, 2012 1:44 pm

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa marriage translation help

I'm pretty sure the word you are looking at is "assistente" which means that's where someone is living.You are right, usually that would be be moradora, but both can be used - not at the same time.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message ---

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico

Hi Nancy,That's fascinating about that old structure.I would not be surprised if that belonged to my family from there at some point in the 1600s - if there is a chance it is that old.My own families are mostly from the 1600s and I found them in the Sao Roque do Pico records.I have Ferreir

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico

Nancy,Yes, to answer you in my last message, I was noticing Valent in Piedade, Pico, but when you said Bandeiras, that was what caught my attention.Is the Valente you found from Bandeiras?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico

Valente is found in Pico and Terceira.But it's also very old in Portugal's mainland. I found in my records one Martim Afonso Valente, the "Morgado da Povoa" in the 1200s.If you have Botelho ancestors from S.Miguel, it will lead to this person through Goncalo Vaz Botelho &quo

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico

Bad news, Nancy.Bandeiras records are lost before about 1850.I have many ancestors from Bandeiras.Who did you find from there?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Valente from Pico From: nancy jean

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Portuguese genealogy

Thanks, Rick.I believe I noticed a visitor from Spring, TX on the live feed on each page. :-)It's such an interesting subject. Totally fascinating.I hope I can help convince others to get the DNA test through FTDNA.com.The person I mentioned with Pico roots in my page confirmed he got the F

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Portuguese genealogy

enealogy. Check it out here, if interested:www.dholmes.com/dna.htmDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, California Pico Genealogist916-550-1618 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more option

[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Portuguese genealogy

I wrote something recently for my website about my own interests in DNA and Portuguese genealogy.Check it out here, if interested:www.dholmes.com/dna.htmDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@goo

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth record of daughter of slave

Hi Katharine,As for the "ola" to my father, you just did it (he's on this list). :-)Going from being told you're Flemish with no hint of Portuguese, you sure have come a long way with your translation projects.I saw the calendar you sent to my father. Very nice.Feliz Ano Novo.Doug da Rocha HolmesSa

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question about Terceira Island

There are some good maps created by Ana da Guia Pereira on my Portuguese Genealogist Master List for each island.Click your way to it from this home page:www.dholmes.comYou'll see each freguesia and the boundaries of each one that surrounds it.Sao Mateus da Calheta, Terceira has a very beautiful ch

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth record of daughter of slave

Hi Rick,If I understand you correctly, someone who was tested has a direct maternal line that you think must lead to a black slave.In case you mention it because of my interest in descendants, like always I am primarily interested in those from Pico and Terceira, unless it would happen to tie into

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth record of daughter of slave

Hello Katharine,I noticed your question about slaves, so I thought I'd join in to answer you.I don't think I have ever seen a single village in the Azores where there ISN'T a baptism of a slave. So, they were found in every village.As you would expect, it must have been a measure of wealth and stat

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MyHeritage.com

Hi Mary,I'll trust your judgement and stay clear of them.I really didn't have much hope they would be so useful, anyway.Ancestry.com is only useful for me to view the census and passenger ships. Every once in a while I might use their military records or find an interesting obit from a newspaper.Th

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MyHeritage.com

Yea, I got one also and since I don't know a thing about MyHeritage, I am wondering if they offer much in the way of value.Looks like everyone who got their DNA tested through FTDNA must have received their email.For those who didn't get it, here is what it says:As you may have seen in the news, a

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