Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status Report 9 December 2020
Thank you Kern for all your efforts over the years and welcome to the new role Eric. On 2020-12-10 07:32, Kern Sibbald wrote: Hello, I would like to discuss the following subjects: 1. Bacula Release Status 2. Next Major Bacula Version 3. New Bacula Project Manager === 1. Bacula Release Status The latest Bacula version 9.6.7 will be released shortly. This is a bug fix release that fixes a number of bugs especially the MySQL/MariaDB schema problems. It also has a MySQL/MariaDB retry on a write failure. 2. Next Major Bacula Version The next Major Bacula Version (release 11.0.0) will be made within a week or so. Although this release has been extensively tested, at this time until we get feedback from community testers, we consider it a Beta version. Due to increasing divergences of the Bacula Systems Enterprise and the Community versions, Eric Bollengier undertook a rather big project to make a "universal Bacula core code" version that includes both the Enterprise and Community code in a way that we can easily switch between the two versions, as well as much more easily backport new features to and from the Community version. The first version that contains this "universal Bacula code" is version 11.0.0. Some of the new features in this code are: - New catalog format giving improved performance - Automatic TLS PSK encrypted communications - Support for Client behind NAT - Continuous Data Protection (CDP) Plugin - Built-in Client scheduler - Global Director Autoprune directive - Events/Audit features - New Baculum features - Ask to mount/create volume when disk space is low - Simplification of the Windows FileSet with File=/ - Security enhancements for Restricted Consoles The following version to be released around June 2021 will contain: - Kubernetes Plugin - Generic Cloud Plugin So as you see many new things are coming, and they will keep coming because Bacula Systems is creating lots of new code and backporting it. 3. New Bacula Project Manager In January 2021, it will be 21 years that I (Kern) have worked on the Bacula project. Now it is time to leave the work to younger and enthusiastic new people. So effective with Bacula release 11.0.0, Eric Bollengier will replace me as the Bacula Project Manager. Eric has been working on Bacula since 2005 and with Bacula Systems since its creation in 2008. He is currently the most experienced and knowledgeable Bacula architect and programmer. Even though I am giving the project management responsibility to Eric, I will be around for at least a year to help out where and when I can. I must say that I am very proud to have worked with so many Bacula contributors and users, who are very friendly, kind, and knowledgeable. Thank you all for helping by using Bacula or contributing to it. Thanks for using Bacula -- be happy and stay safe. Kern ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status new release
This is really great! Thanks! Jeff. On Sep 12, 2014, at 9:04 AM, evaldoprestes bacula-fo...@backupcentral.com wrote: Hello guys, is available a new version of the tool Bacula Status with important adjustments with respect to dates. https://github.com/evaldoprestes/baculastatus +-- |This was sent by evaldopres...@gmail.com via Backup Central. |Forward SPAM to ab...@backupcentral.com. +-- -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Want excitement? Manually upgrade your production database. When you want reliability, choose Perforce Perforce version control. Predictably reliable. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157508191iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status Report
Hi Kern. Thank you for the information and here are some requests for more details :) On 25.11.2013 18:49, Kern Sibbald wrote: 2. The Bareos fork of Bacula: Unfortunately, despite the fact that Bareos hired one of the best German Open Source lawyers , there were a number of serious copyright violations with their code. I guess mixing copyright and open source into one sentence makes several people quite confused, so can you clarify what are the issues? Is it, for instance, that Bareos wants to change license of the source code, but copyright holder does not permit it? So as Bacula contributors and users, you would be within your rights to feel very upset with Bareos, because they never offered you the code they developed. I have understood that all of their code is in Github. Isn't it so? I assure that I will do all in my power to ensure that any worthwhile features that Bareos implements will be implemented in Bacula, and most likely better integrated and more robust, and where possible with even more functionality and growth potential. How would you do it? Would you port the features, possibly making the code better? Or would you just code the features from scratch? I'm sorry, but currently it seems there is some soap opera going on between these 2 projects and it is just sad to watch. I really do hope that it won't affect good ideas being spread between the 2 projects and also in the open etc. 3. Bacula Systems and the FSFE: There are a number of points in the agreement, but probably the most important of all is that Bacula Systems has now put in writing that it is an Open Source company (at its heart), as it has always proclaimed, and will contribute all the Enterprise code it creates to the Bacula Community code base within at most a 5 year period. So all the Bacula Enterprise features and plugins will ultimately be open sourced? Ie. we would see the delta plugin and vSphere plugin as open-source within 5 years counting from the point they were announced? Does it also mean that these features, by worst case scenario, in the open source version will always be 5 years behind the Enterprise version? Do you have any features in mind that you would make open sourced within the shorter time-frame? -- Silver -- Shape the Mobile Experience: Free Subscription Software experts and developers: Be at the forefront of tech innovation. Intel(R) Software Adrenaline delivers strategic insight and game-changing conversations that shape the rapidly evolving mobile landscape. Sign up now. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=63431311iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status Report
Hello, On 11/26/2013 11:17 AM, Silver Salonen wrote: Hi Kern. Thank you for the information and here are some requests for more details :) On 25.11.2013 18:49, Kern Sibbald wrote: 2. The Bareos fork of Bacula: Unfortunately, despite the fact that Bareos hired one of the best German Open Source lawyers , there were a number of serious copyright violations with their code. I guess mixing copyright and open source into one sentence makes several people quite confused, so can you clarify what are the issues? All code is licensed one way or another. Virtually all Open Source code also has a copyright (the GPL is a copyright with a license). I would not like to burden this list with copyright/license details, so I will do so in my blog in detail, and besides right now I am on vacation so please excuse me for not giving any more details at the moment. Is it, for instance, that Bareos wants to change license of the source code, but copyright holder does not permit it? Most of the problems were that they incorrectly added their copyrights where they legally could not. I can imagine they would like to change the license, but that is speculation on my part. What is not speculation is that they cannot change the copyright license. So as Bacula contributors and users, you would be within your rights to feel very upset with Bareos, because they never offered you the code they developed. I have understood that all of their code is in Github. Isn't it so? You will need to ask Bareos if all their code is on Github since I don't have access to their company. At least the main source code is there. I assure that I will do all in my power to ensure that any worthwhile features that Bareos implements will be implemented in Bacula, and most likely better integrated and more robust, and where possible with even more functionality and growth potential. How would you do it? Would you port the features, possibly making the code better? Or would you just code the features from scratch? To keep the Bacula FSFE copyright clean, we will probably need to code the features from scratch. However, one must realize that when coding a feature in Bacula, if two people do the same thing, there could be a substantial overlap of the code since one would naturally use a lot of the internal subroutines. I'm sorry, but currently it seems there is some soap opera going on between these 2 projects and it is just sad to watch. I really do hope that it won't affect good ideas being spread between the 2 projects and also in the open etc. What gives you the idea that there is a soap opera going on? And what do you find sad? Hopefully not something that I have done. Certainly, if Bareos has good ideas, we will be very interested in them as I have already stated just above. They will clearly directly take anything from Bacula that they consider useful. 3. Bacula Systems and the FSFE: There are a number of points in the agreement, but probably the most important of all is that Bacula Systems has now put in writing that it is an Open Source company (at its heart), as it has always proclaimed, and will contribute all the Enterprise code it creates to the Bacula Community code base within at most a 5 year period. So all the Bacula Enterprise features and plugins will ultimately be open sourced? Yes. Some such as our Oracle plugin will not be Open Sources since it uses the Oracle API which is proprietary. At the moment, this is the only exception I can think of though. Ie. we would see the delta plugin and vSphere plugin as open-source within 5 years counting from the point they were announced? The answer is yes, but with the nuance that the time period for code developed prior to the agreement starts as of the agreement. Does it also mean that these features, by worst case scenario, in the open source version will always be 5 years behind the Enterprise version? Yes. Do you have any features in mind that you would make open sourced within the shorter time-frame? Yes we will probably make many available well before the 5 year period (I would guess even most features). I have a number of features in mind that we are internally agreed on and others that we are considering. The official announcement on what they are will certainly be made at the Bacula Conference or possibly earlier. Best regards, Kern -- Silver -- Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. Most IT organizations don't have a clear picture of how application performance affects their revenue. With AppDynamics, you get 100% visibility into your Java,.NET, PHP application. Start your 15-day FREE TRIAL of AppDynamics Pro! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=84349351iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status Report
Hello, my name is Maik Außendorf, I am a member of the Bareos project and co-founder of the Bareos company. I apologize for not using my original email address but that has been banned from this list withoout any given reason. I attach my original footer below. I just want to comment on 2 points: 1. The Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) is the copyright holder of Bacula open source. We've worked together with the FSFE to clear some formal things in the version history and header files. I.E. some copyright information had to be changed. We've changed everything the way the FSFE has asked for. On August 12th 2013 the last mail from the FSFE stated, that they do not see any more problems. Please read our FAQ article for full quotation: https://www.bareos.org/en/faq/items/copyright_bacula_bareos.html In that FAQ you can also find the history about the open source code fragments regarding the bandwidth limitation feature. 2. GIT Our sources are all on GIT Hub since late 2012. Before that the long year Bacula community developer Marco van Wieringen has maintained his own branch mainly with patches by him and other contributors that were rejected by bacula.org. So a private thing but the only way to preserve those contributions. After the decision was made to start an own project based on that branch, it was published, is 100% AGPL and will stay so. I don't want to comment on more, because these are the important things. Everyone can reuse our code in a open source way (fully compliant with AGPL). And everyone can choose whatever open source project he or she likes best. One more thing to add: we've given a fundamental value to the Bacula community, too: the Bareos clients are compatible with Bacula daemons. And there are repositories for almost all Linux distribution ready to use + a rewritten Windows installer for the Windows client - ready to install (graphical or even unattended by command line switches). If you are missing a bacula client for your particular Linux distribution, MacOS or Windows, feel free to test our Bareos client with your Bacula director. With kind regards. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen -- Maik Außendorf maik.aussend...@bareos.com Bareos GmbH Co. KG Phone: +49221630693-93 http://www.bareos.com Fax: +49221630693-10 Sitz der Gesellschaft: Köln | Amtsgericht Köln: HRA 29646 Komplementär: Bareos Verwaltungs-GmbH Geschäftsführer: Stephan Dühr, M. Außendorf, J. Steffens, P. Storz, M. v. Wieringen -Original Message- From: Kern Sibbald k...@sibbald.com To: bacula-users bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net; bacula-devel bacula-de...@lists.sourceforge.net; bacula-announce bacula-annou...@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Mon, Nov 25, 2013 5:57 pm Subject: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status Report Hello, I would like to speak to you about the following points: 1. The rumors of the death of Bacula (the Community version) 2. The Bareos fork of Bacula 3. Bacula Systems and the FSFE (Free Software Foundation Europe) 4. The future of Bacula (the Community version) 1. The rumors of the death of Bacula (the Community version): I borrow words from a quote of Mark Twain: The rumors of the death of Bacula are highly exaggerated! I began working on Bacula 14 years ago (in January 2000), and it has been Open Source from the time it was publicly released in April 2002, and it will remain Open Source. I have been and am fully devoted to Open Source, and in particular to Bacula, which is like my “baby”. So to hear rumors that Bacula is dead or that I have withheld commits because they are Enterprise features is shocking and hurtful to me as well as not true. I did inform the Bacula Community several years ago that my personal participation in Bacula would decrease a bit for several years to allow me to focus more on getting Bacula Systems started. In my opinion, that has not been a serious disadvantage for the Bacula project since Bacula Systems over that period has contributed far more code to Bacula than I could have alone over the same period, and as you will see a bit later in this status report, Bacula Systems contributions are absolutely guaranteed to continue in the long run, and even increase. 2. The Bareos fork of Bacula: The Bacula repository has been on “hold” since our last release in early February, because on 27 February 2013, I learned that there was a fork of Bacula made by a former “consultant” of Bacula Systems with a former reseller of Bacula Systems. Unfortunately, despite the fact that Bareos hired one of the best German Open Source lawyers , there were a number of serious copyright violations with their code. Since the Bacula code is copyrighted by the Free Software Foundation Europe
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status
Zitat von Kern Sibbald k...@sibbald.com: Hello, ... My time: Due to my heavy workload in ensuring certain administrative aspects of Bacula Systems as well as working on major Bacula Systems programming projects, I am attempting to optimize my use of time. One way I plan to reduce my workload is to stop doing the updates necessary to maintain the Windows platform as well as the Windows builds. As a result, there are no Windows binaries for Bacula version 5.2.12 -- this isn't a very big problem since there were very few changes to the FD, if any, so everyone can continue using the 5.2.10 Windows binaries. However in the long run (9 months to a year) when significant changes are made to the Windows code or the libraries that they use, this will become a problem, so it would be nice to find an alternative. There are three alternatives that I can see: 1. You build them yourself, as you do with the Linux binaries (unless you use distro binaries, which can be quite old and out of date). 2. Some community user learns how to build them and makes them available. 3. Bacula Systems supplies them. Comments about the above: 1. Build your own is not too practical, because you need to be a C++ programmer and have a number of mingw tools built and loaded. The process is well documented, but not very easy to setup. 2. Having a C++ knowledgeable community member build them is a bit more practical, but it is often hard to find volunteers and as is just a fact of open source life, the volunteer's life, time, or priority changes and they don't often continue long term. 3. Having Bacula Systems build them would work nicely since it is a long term solution. The only consideration is that Bacula Systems will want some very nominal financial compensation for doing so. You might also want to think about another idea, which is: perhaps Bacula Systems would be willing to provide binaries for a number of different platforms such as RedHat/CentOS where Bacula versions tend to lag seriously behind the development code. I would appreciate your opinions on these, and if you wish to express them publicly please send them to the bacula-devel list (and bacula-users list). If you wish to express them privately, simply address an email just to me. Please don't hesitate to indicate what sort of price you might be willing to pay for one or both of these services. Hello sorry for being late on this but here it goes: Until now we are only in the test-phase but it is impressive what features/stability Bacula provides. I agree with you that it is a problem that many Linux distributions provide age-old versions (Ubuntu 8.04 still in service come with Bacula 2.4.2) and it would be nice too have some reliable build service for binaries. From my point of view it would be no problem even for small companies to spent a yearly fee on this. Let the users do the build itself will not work because in case you most need the binaries (restore), no one like to get a build environment running first. That said if there is a need for community build service we might help out with machine power and build environments. Regards Andreas -- Don't let slow site performance ruin your business. Deploy New Relic APM Deploy New Relic app performance management and know exactly what is happening inside your Ruby, Python, PHP, Java, and .NET app Try New Relic at no cost today and get our sweet Data Nerd shirt too! http://p.sf.net/sfu/newrelic-dev2dev ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status + Bacula 5.2.0 release
tank you for the usefull info :) I know that the project is not dead, but when someone have to choose the backup solution and goes on the website, there are very few news and it seems stopped, I think it will be nice to get some developing news from the website too ciao Mauro -- The demand for IT networking professionals continues to grow, and the demand for specialized networking skills is growing even more rapidly. Take a complimentary Learning@Cisco Self-Assessment and learn about Cisco certifications, training, and career opportunities. http://p.sf.net/sfu/cisco-dev2dev ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status + Bacula 5.2.0 release
1. Bacula Systems Support Job great! 2. Bacula Training course wow! 3. Bacula Release version 5.2.0 no annunciation on bacula.org website? (5.1.0 too..) it seems a dead project from 2010.. 4. No rpms for version 5.2.0 what a pity 5. New Bacula Systems CEO Congrats :) ciao Mauro -- The demand for IT networking professionals continues to grow, and the demand for specialized networking skills is growing even more rapidly. Take a complimentary Learning@Cisco Self-Assessment and learn about Cisco certifications, training, and career opportunities. http://p.sf.net/sfu/cisco-dev2dev ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status + Bacula 5.2.0 release
W dniu 26.10.2011 17:09, Kern Sibbald pisze: 3. Bacula Release version 5.2.0 Bacula version 5.2.0 is ready. However, I have been holding it back because the normal community testing is not happening. The only user helping us to test is DassIT (thanks very much). This means that the new version has not been tested enough on FreeBSD, Mac OS, and Solaris. That said, I have done preliminary building and testing on Mac OS and a number of Linux releases (RedHat, Ubuntu, SLES). This is a major feature upgrade with quite a number of bug fixes as well. It is in the current git repo (hosted on bacula.org). In any case, we will be releasing it probably this weekend -- hopefully by then community members will have done additional testing. I wanted to test bacula 5.2.0 but in git there is no such tag [1]. I finally found some code archives [2] that looks a bit old (2011-08-05). My proposition is to create new branch (Bacula-5.2.0) in git that will be dedicated to this release and contain latest fixes. B. [1] http://www.bacula.org/git/cgit.cgi/bacula/ [2] http://sourceforge.net/projects/bacula/files/bacula/5.2.0rc1/ -- Bartosz Cisek Admin email: bartosz.ci...@nasza-klasa.pl tel: +48 519 300 122 Nasza Klasa Sp. z o.o., ul. Gen. J. Bema 2, 50-265 Wrocław Sąd Rejonowy dla Wrocławia - Fabrycznej we Wrocławiu, VI Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, nr KRS:289629, NIP:898-21-22-104 REGON:020586020, Kapitał zakładowy: 67 850,00 PLN -- The demand for IT networking professionals continues to grow, and the demand for specialized networking skills is growing even more rapidly. Take a complimentary Learning@Cisco Self-Assessment and learn about Cisco certifications, training, and career opportunities. http://p.sf.net/sfu/cisco-dev2dev ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status + Bacula 5.2.0 release
On Oct 27, 2011, at 3:15 AM, Mauro Colorio wrote: 1. Bacula Systems Support Job great! 2. Bacula Training course wow! 3. Bacula Release version 5.2.0 no annunciation on bacula.org website? (5.1.0 too..) it seems a dead project from 2010.. 4. No rpms for version 5.2.0 what a pity That's how open source projects work. Stuff gets done only because someone wants to do it. -- Dan Langille - http://langille.org -- The demand for IT networking professionals continues to grow, and the demand for specialized networking skills is growing even more rapidly. Take a complimentary Learning@Cisco Self-Assessment and learn about Cisco certifications, training, and career opportunities. http://p.sf.net/sfu/cisco-dev2dev ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status report
Hello Kern, On 07/23/2010 05:54 PM, Kern Sibbald wrote: Hello, This is a sort of mini-Bacula status report on the following: 1. Next release 2. New release cycle 3. New bugs tracking database 4. New Bacula server (www.bacula.org) 5. New Bacula source distribution server 1. Next release: Before the end of August, we will be releasing the next version of Bacula -- version 5.0.3 which is a bug fix update to 5.0.2. This release is almost ready and the most recent code is in the SF bacula git repository under Branch-5.0 Thanks for that, and all the good works done, as usually. 2. New release cycle: The little code we currently have for the next major release is in the SF bacula git repository under Branch-5.1. We are considering to moving to a regular 6 month release cycle. The advantage of such a cycle is that it gets features out to you faster. The disadvantage is that it doesn't work so well in small projects like Bacula if there are not sufficient contributions. Such a release would consist of the following points: - A release every 6 months - The deadline is not absolute and could be extended to 9 months if there were insufficient new submissions. - There will be far fewer or no bug fix updates as they are not really needed if we can maintain a 6 month cycle. - Two months before the projected release we will decide if there are sufficient new features to release - The release count down will consist of 3 phases 1. We will add all new approved features The first 4 months after a release this phase will go into effect for the next release - 2. Only very small new features (a few lines) will be added Two months before the final release this phase will go into effect. Note, this phase can be delayed 3 months if insufficient new features are submitted 3. Only bug fixes This phase will go into effect one month before the release Under this scheme, we are currently in Phase 3 for the 5.0.3 release, and the next major release (5.2.0) would be made before mid-January 2011, and is currently under development in Branch-5.1 on Source Forge. I would appreciate comments on this proposed new deadline release cycle. If generally the 6 month schedule is used in FOSS project, I'm seeing more more exhausted users admin to always update. There's sometimes good reasons, sometimes not. following the adage : if it's not breaked, don't change it. I've no idea for Bacula is this would work. Bacula the backup stuff are long time cycles. So if a 6 months release cycle take place, a special attention is needed to permit easy migration/update from the 2 previous release ( 5.0.0 5.0.2 - 5.0.3 for example). Perhaps giving more importance (helping those who want to do that) to the regressing test installation. I also be interested in the cycle release you will have with Bacula-System's enterprise edition ? For example, I've one customers which doesn't want to change anything before a new server come. And it run the 1.38.11 version (1.38 do what it has to do : reliable backup and restore) I don't know how fragmented (in term of version running outside) is the bacula installed base is. And this quick release can raise this. But seeing new feature bug fixes coming out regularly, can also prove to outside how in wellness the project is and make some FOSS marketing about that. My last suggestion, is trying to find a way ( that's not so easy but who knows ) to have a maximum release made one or two month before the launch of big block distribution : giving time to packagers to include them inside their next release 3. New bugs tracking database Sometime in early August (possibly slightly before) we will be moving the current Mantis based bug tracking system to a new RT based system hosted by Bacula Systems. The upside is that the RT system is far more powerful, flexible and adaptible, and most important of all, it allows email responses to bugs. The downside is that it is a bit more complicated (as are most things that have more features) and that it will require everyone to re-register for the new system. In addition, if you don't want to rely on just the community to furnish bug fixes, you will be able to subscribe to a bug fix service that is more professional and has a guaranteed response time (not to be mistaken for a guaranteed fix time). More on this when the service is ready for production. joke What ? We need to recreate the account, this is a real pain :-) /joke 4. New Bacula server The current Bacula Community server is as you probably know generously offered by UKFast. However, the hardware is starting to age, so they have gratiously provided us with a new machine that we will be putting in place in the next few weeks. We don't expect that you will notice any differences, but the hardware running
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status report
Thanks for all the work you do, this sounds great. Sounds a lot like the Fedora Linux release cycle the last time I looked at it. Good luck on moving to the new server and thanks to UKFast. Thomas On Friday 23 July 2010 11:54:03 Kern Sibbald wrote: Hello, This is a sort of mini-Bacula status report on the following: 1. Next release 2. New release cycle 3. New bugs tracking database 4. New Bacula server (www.bacula.org) 5. New Bacula source distribution server 1. Next release: Before the end of August, we will be releasing the next version of Bacula -- version 5.0.3 which is a bug fix update to 5.0.2. This release is almost ready and the most recent code is in the SF bacula git repository under Branch-5.0 2. New release cycle: The little code we currently have for the next major release is in the SF bacula git repository under Branch-5.1. We are considering to moving to a regular 6 month release cycle. The advantage of such a cycle is that it gets features out to you faster. The disadvantage is that it doesn't work so well in small projects like Bacula if there are not sufficient contributions. Such a release would consist of the following points: - A release every 6 months - The deadline is not absolute and could be extended to 9 months if there were insufficient new submissions. - There will be far fewer or no bug fix updates as they are not really needed if we can maintain a 6 month cycle. - Two months before the projected release we will decide if there are sufficient new features to release - The release count down will consist of 3 phases 1. We will add all new approved features The first 4 months after a release this phase will go into effect for the next release - 2. Only very small new features (a few lines) will be added Two months before the final release this phase will go into effect. Note, this phase can be delayed 3 months if insufficient new features are submitted 3. Only bug fixes This phase will go into effect one month before the release Under this scheme, we are currently in Phase 3 for the 5.0.3 release, and the next major release (5.2.0) would be made before mid-January 2011, and is currently under development in Branch-5.1 on Source Forge. I would appreciate comments on this proposed new deadline release cycle. 3. New bugs tracking database Sometime in early August (possibly slightly before) we will be moving the current Mantis based bug tracking system to a new RT based system hosted by Bacula Systems. The upside is that the RT system is far more powerful, flexible and adaptible, and most important of all, it allows email responses to bugs. The downside is that it is a bit more complicated (as are most things that have more features) and that it will require everyone to re-register for the new system. In addition, if you don't want to rely on just the community to furnish bug fixes, you will be able to subscribe to a bug fix service that is more professional and has a guaranteed response time (not to be mistaken for a guaranteed fix time). More on this when the service is ready for production. 4. New Bacula server The current Bacula Community server is as you probably know generously offered by UKFast. However, the hardware is starting to age, so they have gratiously provided us with a new machine that we will be putting in place in the next few weeks. We don't expect that you will notice any differences, but the hardware running www.bacula.org should be more stable. 5. New Bacula source distribution server You may or may not be aware that we have not always been pleased with the services offered by Source Forge. The uploading is complicated by lines dropping (I have *never* seen this else where), their user interface is horrible, we don't get good statistics, being US based, they block direct access to our code from a number of countries such as Cuba, ... So, probably in September or October we will be moving our Bacula project off of Source Forge to a new server provided by UKFast. There is still a *lot* of work to be done to make this work -- principally getting up a good and suitable interface for users -- more as this develops. As mentioned above, I would appreciate any comments you might have, particularly on the proposed new release cycle. Best regards, Kern --- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by Sprint What will you do first with EVO, the first 4G phone? Visit sprint.com/first -- http://p.sf.net/sfu/sprint-com-first ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- == Thomas McMillan Grant Bennett
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status
Hello again, Sorry, I forgot to mention a couple more points concerning proposed changes in the Bacula rpms: - Eliminate bgconsole - Eliminate bwx-console - Eliminate the tray monitor The code for those feature will remain in Bacula, but we will not longer produce those items in the rpms -- they add enormous complexity. Best regards, Kern -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status report
Kern Sibbald wrote: I would appreciate if beta testers would retest the current SVN. Thanks. Other than weird-files2 (known glitch due to cp deficiency) it passes everything fine on Mac OS 10.4. Also passes everything on my fedora 7 test system. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status + professional services initiative
On 2007.07.16. 19:40, Kern Sibbald wrote: Hello, ... 4. In the near future the Bacula project will no longer be providing binaries. They will be available for free to individuals, contributors, and charitable organizations through the professional web site. i hope i haven't missed an answer to my question as i am looking through several hundreds of messages on this list. would binary packages provided by contributors be discouraged within the project ? i would hope not, but would like to know for sure :) ... -- Rich - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status
On 2007.06.04. 15:46, Kern Sibbald wrote: i know this is a bad thing to ask... but are there any estimates when the next stable version could be expected ? i've been putting off touching a running system, so maybe i can drag it a bit longer and upgrade to the next stable (still running 1.36 ;) ) ... -- Rich - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status
On Tuesday 12 June 2007 11:12, Rich wrote: On 2007.06.04. 15:46, Kern Sibbald wrote: i know this is a bad thing to ask... but are there any estimates when the next stable version could be expected ? The end of June -- mid-August. i've been putting off touching a running system, so maybe i can drag it a bit longer and upgrade to the next stable (still running 1.36 ;) ) Ugh, a bit old :-) ... -- Rich - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status -- change of directio n for my participation in the project
On Thursday 19 April 2007 18:35, Brian Debelius wrote: Sorry that I can't help develop. But I can help drum up interest. Go digg it, and (try to) drive it to the front page. http://digg.com/software/Popular_mature_open_source_backup_project_needs_developers_www_bacula_org Yes, the email was intended to inform the Bacula community of changes in use of my time rather than be an external call for developers, but no problem, if it stimulates some interest, great! :-) brian- Kern Sibbald wrote: Hello, Open Source is a fantastic success story, and shows every sign of becoming a gigantic snow ball over the next few years. Usage of Bacula is increasing significantly, which is very pleasing. However, the development side of Bacula, with one or two exceptions, I consider a total failure. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status -- change of direction for my participation in the project
On Friday 20 April 2007 00:58, Steen wrote: Torsdag 19 april 2007 12:10 skrev Kern Sibbald: Hello, Open Source is a fantastic success story, and shows every sign of becoming a gigantic snow ball over the next few years. Usage of Bacula is increasing significantly, which is very pleasing. However, the development side of Bacula, with one or two exceptions, I consider a total failure. Very strong wording here Perhaps but I don't think so, in the limited context that I meant it. See my response to this in an email to Arno ... Bacula has received quite a number of submissions other than my contributions over the years. However, in general, these submissions have been made without documentation (leaving it to me to document) and the developer after a short time has for various reasons moved on to other things (change of job, change of life status, other interests, ...). All this is normal, but what I find very disappointing is that with only a couple of exceptions that come to mind there are no permanent Bacula developers other than myself. I never meant to imply that this was uncommon only that it was putting an undue load on me. I have provided my solution for unloading tasks that are currently on me, which involves unsupporting certain distributions. To the extent that those tasks are picked up else where as some of them are currently being done, those distributions will become supported. Just to set things into perspective - I think this is not so uncommon in opensource projects. I can give you one specific example, which is the development of the postfix mailserver. Vietse Venema mentioned last year in a talk, that though several people contributed code to the project, the quality and level of integration with existing code is usually so, that he finds it easier to take the idea and implement it from scratch. So most of the code have been witten by one man. He also mentioned the leverage for the project was the modularisation on one hand and the plugin API on the other, so that other people can interface their applications with his. That is just one example, but I have noticed other projects in similar situations. There is of course the other types of bigger projects that attracts a larger following. I think it is not so strange. People who like to work with databases are often developer types - so there are several large opensource db-projects. People who like to work with backup systems are more of the admin types - and as you indicate - a backup system is a demanding beast to handle codewise - even for a developer type of person, not to mention the very low level of some parts of it. Seen this way from the outside I think total failure could just as well equal highly successful under the limited and constrained conditions that you describe and are working under. Yes, thanks. I *do* think the project is successfull, possibly too much so ... :-) I think that it is very good that you move with what you feel is right, and better even if something can be organized for the things you would like to leave behind like project lists, web-site and documentation etc. 3. As of today, the gnome-console (renamed bgnome-console) and wx-console (renamed bwx-console) are deprecated and no longer supported by me. If someone else wants to pick up support of them, I'll be very happy to accept patches. Are you still going foreward with the gui? Yes. 5. I will be devoting more of my time to a project that I previously mentioned that will provide training and support for Bacula engineers and for 3rd party Bacula Service organizations. The support provided will not be direct customer support but certification and level 3 support for professional service companies with the goal of promoting Bacula usage and code submissions. The concept here is that I am convinced that commercial organizations want to use Bacula (many use Solaris, so it is critical for them) but are hindered by the lack of qualified professional service. By insuring professional services for Bacula, I believe that we can compensate for the lack of commuity participation in the Bacula development process. This is because commerical/governmental/educational organizations will make significant contributions to the project when they have professional support. I believe you are right on target here - if there are such organizations then it will certainly add to the completeness and maturity of the oss solutions that can be offered. I'm sure the support services for the backup solution are a must for many. Thanks. We'll see commercial acceptances feeds back more code/support. I think so, if not, I don't expect the project to be any worse off in a year from now :-) Regards, Kern Best regards, Kern - This
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status -- change of direction for my participation in the project
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kern Sibbald wrote: As an example of what I am lamenting here is that there is a Win 2003 bug open since 20 March where restore of encrypted (and compressed if I remember right) data fails. Another example is that despite my repeated requests over something like a six month period, no one (at this moment) has signed up to do Win32, Solaris, or FreeBSD regression testing. I'm somewhat surprised that no one more qualified has stepped forward (I am not really a developer so I would be hard-pressed to actually patch anything, and I'm really a small shop regardless), but I am able to do Solaris regression testing. I do not have an autochanger -- not sure if I'm missing any other required hardware -- but Solaris support is not really something I can lose. The trouble is, what happens when something fails a regression test? If you aren't going to be accepting bug reports on those platforms and I can't fix them, where does that leave us? For a third party to step in of some kind? I don't really see a problem with what you're proposing -- and I know that work that is essentially volunteer is very annoying if you have no help and have repeatedly asked for it, I just want to know if there's even a point to my doing testing. - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer III |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGJ5Dgmb+gadEcsb4RAgx1AKCTkZGLbZ+37IoPBZyWsy9TvEr/JgCfWJ55 aSPE4Ll5V+O7On9eshDEemA= =qDIK -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status -- change of direction for my participation in the project
Sorry that I can't help develop. But I can help drum up interest. Go digg it, and (try to) drive it to the front page. http://digg.com/software/Popular_mature_open_source_backup_project_needs_developers_www_bacula_org brian- Kern Sibbald wrote: Hello, Open Source is a fantastic success story, and shows every sign of becoming a gigantic snow ball over the next few years. Usage of Bacula is increasing significantly, which is very pleasing. However, the development side of Bacula, with one or two exceptions, I consider a total failure. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status -- change of direction for my participation in the project
For us, we haven't had a lot of time to add back to Bacula. I have a student that is working to produce a web front end for restores, but it has been quite a challenge. I'd really like to have an API that we could hook into the director directly, but I haven't had the time to even look at it since my plate is very full. I have found Bacula as a very good piece of software, I love the simplicity, the cross-platform ability. I wish I only had half the projects on my plate to add back to Bacula and other OpenSource projects. I'm not a programmer so anything that I contribute will not be very polished. Robert On 4/19/07 10:35 AM, Brian Debelius [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry that I can't help develop. But I can help drum up interest. Go digg it, and (try to) drive it to the front page. http://digg.com/software/Popular_mature_open_source_backup_project_needs_devel opers_www_bacula_org brian- Kern Sibbald wrote: Hello, Open Source is a fantastic success story, and shows every sign of becoming a gigantic snow ball over the next few years. Usage of Bacula is increasing significantly, which is very pleasing. However, the development side of Bacula, with one or two exceptions, I consider a total failure. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users Robert LeBlanc BioAg Computer Support Brigham Young University [EMAIL PROTECTED] (801)422-1882 - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status -- change of direction for my participation in the project
Brian Debelius wrote: Sorry that I can't help develop. But I can help drum up interest. Go digg it, and (try to) drive it to the front page. http://digg.com/software/Popular_mature_open_source_backup_project_needs_developers_www_bacula_org brian- Kern Sibbald wrote: Hello, Open Source is a fantastic success story, and shows every sign of becoming a gigantic snow ball over the next few years. Usage of Bacula is increasing significantly, which is very pleasing. However, the development side of Bacula, with one or two exceptions, I consider a total failure. ok, I contributed my infinitesimal weight to the digg. However, I would also like to make a comment. I hear an element of discouragement in Kern's message. I can certainly empathize with that as well as understand it, but it isn't going to draw programmers in. It emanates too much negativity. If someone could draw up a PR piece (qua job announcement) with an upbeat feeling to it, give it a prominent place on the bacula site, and then start blogging or digging that link, it might have a better likelihood of attracting some programmers. I'm not sure, however, of the dynamics of becoming involved. It seems to me that the motivation for contributing code comes from an involvement in using the software. If you don't get paid for the work, why would you jump into it unless it was something that mattered to you in the first place? You want something fixed, or added, and you are capable of programming, so you do it and contribute the code. Eventually, your dependence on the product and your pride in having contributed to it combine to form a commitment that leads to greater involvement. So, it might be a sort of cart and horse question. --- Chris Hoogendyk - O__ Systems Administrator c/ /'_ --- Biology Geology Departments (*) \(*) -- 140 Morrill Science Center ~~ - University of Massachusetts, Amherst [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Erdös 4 - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status -- change of direction for my participation in the project
Hi, again, On 4/19/2007 12:10 PM, Kern Sibbald wrote: ... 4. I am no longer personally going to maintain the projects list (Feature Requests). If someone wants to pick up maintaining it including the voting, I would be very happy. Obviously I'll continue to work on projects that personally interest me. Ok, I think I can do this. Give me some days to get things organized... Arno -- IT-Service Lehmann[EMAIL PROTECTED] Arno Lehmann http://www.its-lehmann.de - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula Status -- change of direction for my participation in the project
Torsdag 19 april 2007 12:10 skrev Kern Sibbald: Hello, Open Source is a fantastic success story, and shows every sign of becoming a gigantic snow ball over the next few years. Usage of Bacula is increasing significantly, which is very pleasing. However, the development side of Bacula, with one or two exceptions, I consider a total failure. Very strong wording here Bacula has received quite a number of submissions other than my contributions over the years. However, in general, these submissions have been made without documentation (leaving it to me to document) and the developer after a short time has for various reasons moved on to other things (change of job, change of life status, other interests, ...). All this is normal, but what I find very disappointing is that with only a couple of exceptions that come to mind there are no permanent Bacula developers other than myself. Just to set things into perspective - I think this is not so uncommon in opensource projects. I can give you one specific example, which is the development of the postfix mailserver. Vietse Venema mentioned last year in a talk, that though several people contributed code to the project, the quality and level of integration with existing code is usually so, that he finds it easier to take the idea and implement it from scratch. So most of the code have been witten by one man. He also mentioned the leverage for the project was the modularisation on one hand and the plugin API on the other, so that other people can interface their applications with his. That is just one example, but I have noticed other projects in similar situations. There is of course the other types of bigger projects that attracts a larger following. I think it is not so strange. People who like to work with databases are often developer types - so there are several large opensource db-projects. People who like to work with backup systems are more of the admin types - and as you indicate - a backup system is a demanding beast to handle codewise - even for a developer type of person, not to mention the very low level of some parts of it. Seen this way from the outside I think total failure could just as well equal highly successful under the limited and constrained conditions that you describe and are working under. I think that it is very good that you move with what you feel is right, and better even if something can be organized for the things you would like to leave behind like project lists, web-site and documentation etc. 3. As of today, the gnome-console (renamed bgnome-console) and wx-console (renamed bwx-console) are deprecated and no longer supported by me. If someone else wants to pick up support of them, I'll be very happy to accept patches. Are you still going foreward with the gui? 5. I will be devoting more of my time to a project that I previously mentioned that will provide training and support for Bacula engineers and for 3rd party Bacula Service organizations. The support provided will not be direct customer support but certification and level 3 support for professional service companies with the goal of promoting Bacula usage and code submissions. The concept here is that I am convinced that commercial organizations want to use Bacula (many use Solaris, so it is critical for them) but are hindered by the lack of qualified professional service. By insuring professional services for Bacula, I believe that we can compensate for the lack of commuity participation in the Bacula development process. This is because commerical/governmental/educational organizations will make significant contributions to the project when they have professional support. I believe you are right on target here - if there are such organizations then it will certainly add to the completeness and maturity of the oss solutions that can be offered. I'm sure the support services for the backup solution are a must for many. Best regards, Kern - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Best Regards Steen - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
On Monday 16 October 2006 17:26, Josh Fisher wrote: Kern Sibbald wrote: 1. I have requested help setting up more community participation in testing, bug fixing, and builds of more platforms such as Solaris, FreeBSD, ... This is to ensure that all important platforms are supported better than I could do alone. Is it possible to package the regression scripts? Standardized regression scripts (if possible) along with a web based form or mailing list for posting the results of those tests would make it easier for users with various hardware/platforms to participate in the testing. I assume that you mean by package the regression scripts to make a tar file or some such release? This is possible, but considering that this is a developement activity, I think it is much better for testers to pull the scripts with CVS. It is really rather trivial to do, and it allows an easy upgrade when they are changed. That said, I do think that Dan Langille will be making available a daily tar file from the CVS .. At some point the regression scripts will probably be converted to cmake which facilitates posting the results in a web based manner. Whatever the case may be, making any package or cmake changes will need to be a contributed project. Though the cmake part is what I really would like to see, it is not on my personal list. 2. I am working on setting up some official structure or structures for Bacula, possibly a Swiss Association, perhaps a Foundation. This will be so that in the near term (1-6 months) Bacula will have a charter and a governing board, and equally important, I plan to transfer the source and documentation copyrights, which are currently held in my name into such a permanent neutral entity. I believe this will help ensure the health, and long term survival of Bacula as Free Software, as well as to ensure that the project is less (no longer) dependent on one person (me). Rest assured, this does not at all mean that I envision decreasing my participation with the project. When you investigated this previously there was some trouble contacting the FSF Europe. I take it you have now been in contact with them and they can at least help determine which Swiss structure is better for a structure that is going to own copyrights, yes? I am in total agreement with your reasoning, but the copyright ownership issues frighten me. Being a US citizen, I am conditioned to think of this as a major legal issue requiring legal council. If I remember right, I already answered this. Best regards, Kern - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
Kern Sibbald wrote: In answer to your question about packaging the regression tests: Once we release version 1.40 Kern is planning on moving from CVS to Subversion and changing the build process from configure based to CMake. At that time we will probably also switch to CMake's regression test framework. It has built-in support for tracking the results of builds and tests. All the information is made available through a web interface. I haven't had time to play with it yet but it look really cool and quite useful. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Fisher Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:27 AM To: Kern Sibbald Cc: bacula-users Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status Kern Sibbald wrote: 1. I have requested help setting up more community participation in testing, bug fixing, and builds of more platforms such as Solaris, FreeBSD, ... This is to ensure that all important platforms are supported better than I could do alone. Is it possible to package the regression scripts? Standardized regression scripts (if possible) along with a web based form or mailing list for posting the results of those tests would make it easier for users with various hardware/platforms to participate in the testing. 2. I am working on setting up some official structure or structures for Bacula, possibly a Swiss Association, perhaps a Foundation. This will be so that in the near term (1-6 months) Bacula will have a charter and a governing board, and equally important, I plan to transfer the source and documentation copyrights, which are currently held in my name into such a permanent neutral entity. I believe this will help ensure the health, and long term survival of Bacula as Free Software, as well as to ensure that the project is less (no longer) dependent on one person (me). Rest assured, this does not at all mean that I envision decreasing my participation with the project. When you investigated this previously there was some trouble contacting the FSF Europe. I take it you have now been in contact with them and they can at least help determine which Swiss structure is better for a structure that is going to own copyrights, yes? Yes, I was able to meet with Georg Greve of FSF Europe. I am in total agreement with your reasoning, but the copyright ownership issues frighten me. Being a US citizen, I am conditioned to think of this as a major legal issue requiring legal council. Transferring a copyright is rather trivial, but what are your concerns about the copyright ownership? Nothing specific. Just paranoia due to my ignorance regarding legal issues. In my experience, the companies I've worked for hired lawyers to handle the copyrights. And though it's a different matter altogether, I've observed a group of scientists that I work for spend a great deal of money and time keeping their patent and trademark portfolio in order. Ignorance causes fear. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users Best regards, Kern - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
Kern Sibbald wrote: In answer to your question about packaging the regression tests: Once we release version 1.40 Kern is planning on moving from CVS to Subversion and changing the build process from configure based to CMake. At that time we will probably also switch to CMake's regression test framework. It has built-in support for tracking the results of builds and tests. All the information is made available through a web interface. I haven't had time to play with it yet but it look really cool and quite useful. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Fisher Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:27 AM To: Kern Sibbald Cc: bacula-users Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status Kern Sibbald wrote: 1. I have requested help setting up more community participation in testing, bug fixing, and builds of more platforms such as Solaris, FreeBSD, ... This is to ensure that all important platforms are supported better than I could do alone. Is it possible to package the regression scripts? Standardized regression scripts (if possible) along with a web based form or mailing list for posting the results of those tests would make it easier for users with various hardware/platforms to participate in the testing. 2. I am working on setting up some official structure or structures for Bacula, possibly a Swiss Association, perhaps a Foundation. This will be so that in the near term (1-6 months) Bacula will have a charter and a governing board, and equally important, I plan to transfer the source and documentation copyrights, which are currently held in my name into such a permanent neutral entity. I believe this will help ensure the health, and long term survival of Bacula as Free Software, as well as to ensure that the project is less (no longer) dependent on one person (me). Rest assured, this does not at all mean that I envision decreasing my participation with the project. When you investigated this previously there was some trouble contacting the FSF Europe. I take it you have now been in contact with them and they can at least help determine which Swiss structure is better for a structure that is going to own copyrights, yes? Yes, I was able to meet with Georg Greve of FSF Europe. I am in total agreement with your reasoning, but the copyright ownership issues frighten me. Being a US citizen, I am conditioned to think of this as a major legal issue requiring legal council. Transferring a copyright is rather trivial, but what are your concerns about the copyright ownership? Nothing specific. Just paranoia due to my ignorance regarding legal issues. In my experience, the companies I've worked for hired lawyers to handle the copyrights. And though it's a different matter altogether, I've observed a group of scientists that I work for spend a great deal of money and time keeping their patent and trademark portfolio in order. Ignorance causes fear. OK, I understand. As I said, my goal is to set Bacula up so that the copyright, license, and trademark are well looked after and that the copyright is not in just my name. One reason for the change is that Bacula is becoming a big project, and I hope to make it so that big companies have even more confidence in Bacula, its copyright and license. If all goes well -- i.e. if I don't lose my Internet connectivity during my stay in Mexico, I will officially announce the details of the changes around the 1st of November and give Bacula users about 2 weeks to comment on them before anything definitive happens. Best regards, Kern - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
In answer to your question about packaging the regression tests: Once we release version 1.40 Kern is planning on moving from CVS to Subversion and changing the build process from configure based to CMake. At that time we will probably also switch to CMake's regression test framework. It has built-in support for tracking the results of builds and tests. All the information is made available through a web interface. I haven't had time to play with it yet but it look really cool and quite useful. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Fisher Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:27 AM To: Kern Sibbald Cc: bacula-users Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status Kern Sibbald wrote: 1. I have requested help setting up more community participation in testing, bug fixing, and builds of more platforms such as Solaris, FreeBSD, ... This is to ensure that all important platforms are supported better than I could do alone. Is it possible to package the regression scripts? Standardized regression scripts (if possible) along with a web based form or mailing list for posting the results of those tests would make it easier for users with various hardware/platforms to participate in the testing. 2. I am working on setting up some official structure or structures for Bacula, possibly a Swiss Association, perhaps a Foundation. This will be so that in the near term (1-6 months) Bacula will have a charter and a governing board, and equally important, I plan to transfer the source and documentation copyrights, which are currently held in my name into such a permanent neutral entity. I believe this will help ensure the health, and long term survival of Bacula as Free Software, as well as to ensure that the project is less (no longer) dependent on one person (me). Rest assured, this does not at all mean that I envision decreasing my participation with the project. When you investigated this previously there was some trouble contacting the FSF Europe. I take it you have now been in contact with them and they can at least help determine which Swiss structure is better for a structure that is going to own copyrights, yes? Yes, I was able to meet with Georg Greve of FSF Europe. I am in total agreement with your reasoning, but the copyright ownership issues frighten me. Being a US citizen, I am conditioned to think of this as a major legal issue requiring legal council. Transferring a copyright is rather trivial, but what are your concerns about the copyright ownership? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users Best regards, Kern - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
In answer to your question about packaging the regression tests: Once we release version 1.40 Kern is planning on moving from CVS to Subversion and changing the build process from configure based to CMake. At that time we will probably also switch to CMake's regression test framework. It has built-in support for tracking the results of builds and tests. All the information is made available through a web interface. I haven't had time to play with it yet but it look really cool and quite useful. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Fisher Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 8:27 AM To: Kern Sibbald Cc: bacula-users Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status Kern Sibbald wrote: 1. I have requested help setting up more community participation in testing, bug fixing, and builds of more platforms such as Solaris, FreeBSD, ... This is to ensure that all important platforms are supported better than I could do alone. Is it possible to package the regression scripts? Standardized regression scripts (if possible) along with a web based form or mailing list for posting the results of those tests would make it easier for users with various hardware/platforms to participate in the testing. 2. I am working on setting up some official structure or structures for Bacula, possibly a Swiss Association, perhaps a Foundation. This will be so that in the near term (1-6 months) Bacula will have a charter and a governing board, and equally important, I plan to transfer the source and documentation copyrights, which are currently held in my name into such a permanent neutral entity. I believe this will help ensure the health, and long term survival of Bacula as Free Software, as well as to ensure that the project is less (no longer) dependent on one person (me). Rest assured, this does not at all mean that I envision decreasing my participation with the project. When you investigated this previously there was some trouble contacting the FSF Europe. I take it you have now been in contact with them and they can at least help determine which Swiss structure is better for a structure that is going to own copyrights, yes? I am in total agreement with your reasoning, but the copyright ownership issues frighten me. Being a US citizen, I am conditioned to think of this as a major legal issue requiring legal council. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: I'm sending this email for several reasons. One is to remind you that I will be on vacation (a real one this time) beginning now until when I am scheduled to return late the 9th of November. Bonnes vacances... et bon retour... :) 1. I have requested help setting up more community participation in testing, bug fixing, and builds of more platforms such as Solaris, FreeBSD, ... This is to ensure that all important platforms are supported better than I could do alone. Now that I understand something of the regress testing environment I can certainly participate with autochanger hardware. I only run Linux so cannot participate in alternate platforms. 2. I am working on setting up some official structure or structures for Bacula, possibly a Swiss Association, perhaps a Foundation. This will be so that in the near term (1-6 months) Bacula will have a charter and a governing board, and equally important, I plan to transfer the source and documentation copyrights, which are currently held in my name into such a permanent neutral entity. I believe this will help ensure the health, and long term survival of Bacula as Free Software, as well as to ensure that the project is less (no longer) dependent on one person (me). Rest assured, this does not at all mean that I envision decreasing my participation with the project. This all sounds reasonable to me and is encouraging that Bacula will have a long life. -- Michael - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status update + you can help
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: This is getting well outside the realm of Bacula itself, but I would really like to see the Enterprise volume management system (EVMS) in widespread use, as it makes disk hardware migration a painless operation while bringing all the various disk-related tools under one interface. Migrating storage has always been the achilles heel of almost every *nix, with downtime invariably necessary - and that tends to be hard to schedule in a 24*7 enterprise or research environment. Does that permit image copies of volume snapshots? No idea. That's not what I meant by storage migration - which essentially is the ability to allow filesystems to transfer themselves between physical devices/arrays (think: hardware upgrades) without user intervention - it's possible with LVM but takes some commandline juggling and is _extremely_ tedious (although less tedious than the alternatives) when there are multiple Tb involved. AB - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status update + you can help
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: After having been totally frustrated chasing this kernel crash for the last few weeks (I really could not believe that it was not a Bacula bug), I have finally found a work around and at the same time, proven that it is a SuSE problem. One of the reason we dumped SLES on our production machines in favour of RHEL was that SUSE was consistently shipping with mismatching dynamic and static library versions - and would not fix it even when notified. SuSE may be great for home systems but having endured it (and SuSE's so-called support desk) for 4 years, I do not believe it is suitable for enterprise or business production use. Novell (SuSE's owners) management in the UK even tried to intervene on our behalf and were completely stonewalled by SuSE. If a company is this dysfunctional internally, then I don't hold out much hope for getting any problems fixed at all, let alone in a reasonable timeframe. AB - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status update + you can help
On Friday 29 September 2006 12:31, Alan Brown wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: After having been totally frustrated chasing this kernel crash for the last few weeks (I really could not believe that it was not a Bacula bug), I have finally found a work around and at the same time, proven that it is a SuSE problem. One of the reason we dumped SLES on our production machines in favour of RHEL was that SUSE was consistently shipping with mismatching dynamic and static library versions - and would not fix it even when notified. SuSE may be great for home systems but having endured it (and SuSE's so-called support desk) for 4 years, I do not believe it is suitable for enterprise or business production use. Well, with the exception of three things, I have found the installation and stability 10x better than Fedora. RHEL stability is exceptional, so I cannot comment, but the SuSE installer is far superior to the RHEL installer. However, I cannot afford to be on RHEL, and at least for the moment, would prefer not to be on one of the clones. One is the terribly slow speed for Yast2 doing rpm updates. That I have resolved by switching to yumex, which was what I preferred under Fedora anyway. The second problem is that they don't take enough care to make sure that their updates have all dependencies resolved. With Yast it is a catastrophe because of the slowness, with yumex, one just excludes a few updates and away you go. And finally, what is really disturbing me is this kernel oops. It really killed me -- for two weeks I beat tried everything (lots of work) thinking it was a Bacula bug. In the end, I had to reluctantly admit it was either a compiler or a kernel bug -- I've now proved it to be a kernel bug -- very frustrating. Novell (SuSE's owners) management in the UK even tried to intervene on our behalf and were completely stonewalled by SuSE. If a company is this dysfunctional internally, then I don't hold out much hope for getting any problems fixed at all, let alone in a reasonable timeframe. I suspect that has changed and evolve even more in the future. They seem to be taking it seriously and were quite polite in their response -- them taking it seriously is surely in part due to those of you who quickly responded to my call -- there are now 13 votes for fixing the bug. Thanks :-) If anyone can spare a few minutes to create a login and vote and/or signup for a CC on the bug, please do so. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=208782 Regards, Kern PS: I'm going to test it against their SuSE 10.2 kernel (to be released in Dec if I remember right) and if it fails, I'll file a blocker, which will ensure that it is fixed. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status update + you can help
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: One of the reason we dumped SLES on our production machines in favour of RHEL was that SUSE was consistently shipping with mismatching dynamic and static library versions - and would not fix it even when notified. SuSE may be great for home systems but having endured it (and SuSE's so-called support desk) for 4 years, I do not believe it is suitable for enterprise or business production use. Well, with the exception of three things, I have found the installation and stability 10x better than Fedora. Fedora is by definition bleeding edge and we've frequently found that Fedora won't even install on new hardware while RHEL will. RHEL stability is exceptional, so I cannot comment, but the SuSE installer is far superior to the RHEL installer. However, I cannot afford to be on RHEL, and at least for the moment, would prefer not to be on one of the clones. Centos is _very_ stable. RHEL can be licensed quite cheaply if you don't buy the support package (about US$10/machine) The second problem is that they don't take enough care to make sure that their updates have all dependencies resolved. Yes. This, plus their refusal to deal with people pointing it out even if they have paid for support, plus the refusal to even talk to Novell management when we escalated it) gives the impression of a bunch of surly teenagers operating out of bedrooms rather than a professional software company. And finally, what is really disturbing me is this kernel oops. It really killed me -- for two weeks I beat tried everything (lots of work) thinking it was a Bacula bug. In the end, I had to reluctantly admit it was either a compiler or a kernel bug -- I've now proved it to be a kernel bug -- very frustrating. Your experiemce is not unique. Novell (SuSE's owners) management in the UK even tried to intervene on our behalf and were completely stonewalled by SuSE. If a company is this dysfunctional internally, then I don't hold out much hope for getting any problems fixed at all, let alone in a reasonable timeframe. I suspect that has changed and evolve even more in the future. This was current as of June 2006. PS: I'm going to test it against their SuSE 10.2 kernel (to be released in Dec if I remember right) and if it fails, I'll file a blocker, which will ensure that it is fixed. OpenSuse is similar to fedora - bleeding edge. SLES is supposedly a more stable animal - and at US$1500 per machine per year, I'd expect professional behaviour and responses, instead of refusal to respond when serious deficiencies are uncovered. AB - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status update + you can help
On Friday 29 September 2006 13:43, Alan Brown wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: One of the reason we dumped SLES on our production machines in favour of RHEL was that SUSE was consistently shipping with mismatching dynamic and static library versions - and would not fix it even when notified. SuSE may be great for home systems but having endured it (and SuSE's so-called support desk) for 4 years, I do not believe it is suitable for enterprise or business production use. Well, with the exception of three things, I have found the installation and stability 10x better than Fedora. Fedora is by definition bleeding edge and we've frequently found that Fedora won't even install on new hardware while RHEL will. Yes, I like to be on current software but not the bleeding edge. RHEL is sometimes not as current as I would like, though they are excellent for their security updates. RHEL stability is exceptional, so I cannot comment, but the SuSE installer is far superior to the RHEL installer. However, I cannot afford to be on RHEL, and at least for the moment, would prefer not to be on one of the clones. Centos is _very_ stable. RHEL can be licensed quite cheaply if you don't buy the support package (about US$10/machine) The last time I looked (some time ago), it was over $200/machine. That is too much for me. For a company or someone serious about servers, that's OK and quite far given their security updates. The second problem is that they don't take enough care to make sure that their updates have all dependencies resolved. Yes. This, plus their refusal to deal with people pointing it out even if they have paid for support, plus the refusal to even talk to Novell management when we escalated it) gives the impression of a bunch of surly teenagers operating out of bedrooms rather than a professional software company. Fortunately, I haven't seen that, and I hope it doesn't happen. And finally, what is really disturbing me is this kernel oops. It really killed me -- for two weeks I beat tried everything (lots of work) thinking it was a Bacula bug. In the end, I had to reluctantly admit it was either a compiler or a kernel bug -- I've now proved it to be a kernel bug -- very frustrating. Your experiemce is not unique. Novell (SuSE's owners) management in the UK even tried to intervene on our behalf and were completely stonewalled by SuSE. If a company is this dysfunctional internally, then I don't hold out much hope for getting any problems fixed at all, let alone in a reasonable timeframe. I suspect that has changed and evolve even more in the future. This was current as of June 2006. Hmmm. PS: I'm going to test it against their SuSE 10.2 kernel (to be released in Dec if I remember right) and if it fails, I'll file a blocker, which will ensure that it is fixed. OpenSuse is similar to fedora - bleeding edge. Well, up to today, I have found SuSE 10.1 very stable, and as far as I know they are not trying to put out a new version every 6 months (which IMO is the main cause of problems with Fedora). Also as I said, without going into all the gory details, the installation is at least 10x better than anything I have ever seen (in short after loading the first of 4 CDs, my external CDROM drive for my laptop died, and I was left with a system that didn't even have a root login, but with little effort I was able to complete the installation via the network, it picked up where it left off -- no other distro can do that! In addition, after getting all the right packages loaded, it even automatically reconfigured the screen to the correct driver, ...). SLES is supposedly a more stable animal - and at US$1500 per machine per year, I'd expect professional behaviour and responses, instead of refusal to respond when serious deficiencies are uncovered. AB - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status update + you can help
I'll chime in with my endorsement of CentOS as well. I use it specifically for compatibility testing as a stand-in for RHEL as well as for commercial apps that only officially support RedHat and have never had a problem. The CentOS network also provides very timely security updates at no charge. --PLB Centos is _very_ stable. RHEL can be licensed quite cheaply if you don't buy the support package (about US$10/machine) The last time I looked (some time ago), it was over $200/machine. That is too much for me. For a company or someone serious about servers, that's OK and quite far given their security updates. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status update + you can help
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: Centos is _very_ stable. RHEL can be licensed quite cheaply if you don't buy the support package (about US$10/machine) The last time I looked (some time ago), it was over $200/machine. That is too much for me. For a company or someone serious about servers, that's OK and quite far given their security updates. Redhat offer some discounts for developers, etc. As a Bacula feature request is now in their system and has been requested by at least 25 different customers, they may well be interested in giving you a free license for development purposes. I don't disagree with your assessment of installations - I use suse at home, but I have serious issues with their level of professionalism in the commercially supported products. (Having said that, RHEL installation is also very straoghtforward) AB - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
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On Friday 29 September 2006 14:39, Alan Brown wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: Centos is _very_ stable. RHEL can be licensed quite cheaply if you don't buy the support package (about US$10/machine) The last time I looked (some time ago), it was over $200/machine. That is too much for me. For a company or someone serious about servers, that's OK and quite far given their security updates. Redhat offer some discounts for developers, etc. That is interesting. As a Bacula feature request is now in their system and has been requested by at least 25 different customers, they may well be interested in giving you a free license for development purposes. Hmmm. That is even more interesting. I actually have RHEL and access to their network, but that is because I administer a machine, where the organization (MercyShips) has a global RedHat license. That said, other than having the CDs for recovery purposes, which unfortunately I needed recently, I cannot load them on my machines. I don't disagree with your assessment of installations - I use suse at home, but I have serious issues with their level of professionalism in the commercially supported products. Well, distros are a bit of a religious thing and very personal. I look for leading edge software, good update/security service, and stability. RedHat is excellent for that, but now that they are commercial, too expensive. Fedora as you say and as I experienced is too bleeding edge. I asked them to use a 9 month release cycle, and they sent me a very kind reply giving their reasons for a 6 month cycle. I then looked at a lot of distros: debian, kubantu, ubantu, madrivia, ... However, most of them wouldn't even install on a leading edge Dell (debian, ubantu), others (kubantu) are for users that don't know Unix or the distro is a one man show without a significant organization, or rely on other distros for security patches, ... For me, for the moment, with the exception of this SCSI bug, SuSE has been great (as I say, for me). One good thing from the time I wasted on this bug is that I learned that within certain restrictions (SeLinux, AppArmor, ...), unlike rpms, I can mix and match kernels from different distros as I want. (Having said that, RHEL installation is also very straoghtforward) Yes, but if *anything* goes wrong, it simply dies. SuSE has a vga exception handler that takes over (sort of like a rescue disk) that allows you in many cases to get out of trouble -- e.g. switch where the source CDs are coming from, really quite cool. AB - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status update + you can help
I'm catching up with this thread with interest after just coming into work this morning. Kern, my sympathy. I can imagine how frustrated you are, but it just goes to show how good a programmer you are, that it wasn't Bacula after all! After reading the merits weaknesses of RHEL, SUSE, Centos, I have only one question. Have you considered or tried Debian lately? I settled on Debian several years ago after becoming disenchanted with each of the major commercial distributions and haven't regreted it for a moment. (My servers are humming along happily with Debian AMD64-Sarge Bacula 1.36 as we speak!) Three Cheers for Bacula! cmr On Friday 29 September 2006 08:00, Kern Sibbald wrote: On Friday 29 September 2006 14:39, Alan Brown wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: Centos is _very_ stable. RHEL can be licensed quite cheaply if you don't buy the support package (about US$10/machine) The last time I looked (some time ago), it was over $200/machine. That is too much for me. For a company or someone serious about servers, that's OK and quite far given their security updates. Redhat offer some discounts for developers, etc. That is interesting. As a Bacula feature request is now in their system and has been requested by at least 25 different customers, they may well be interested in giving you a free license for development purposes. Hmmm. That is even more interesting. I actually have RHEL and access to their network, but that is because I administer a machine, where the organization (MercyShips) has a global RedHat license. That said, other than having the CDs for recovery purposes, which unfortunately I needed recently, I cannot load them on my machines. I don't disagree with your assessment of installations - I use suse at home, but I have serious issues with their level of professionalism in the commercially supported products. Well, distros are a bit of a religious thing and very personal. I look for leading edge software, good update/security service, and stability. RedHat is excellent for that, but now that they are commercial, too expensive. Fedora as you say and as I experienced is too bleeding edge. I asked them to use a 9 month release cycle, and they sent me a very kind reply giving their reasons for a 6 month cycle. I then looked at a lot of distros: debian, kubantu, ubantu, madrivia, ... However, most of them wouldn't even install on a leading edge Dell (debian, ubantu), others (kubantu) are for users that don't know Unix or the distro is a one man show without a significant organization, or rely on other distros for security patches, ... For me, for the moment, with the exception of this SCSI bug, SuSE has been great (as I say, for me). One good thing from the time I wasted on this bug is that I learned that within certain restrictions (SeLinux, AppArmor, ...), unlike rpms, I can mix and match kernels from different distros as I want. (Having said that, RHEL installation is also very straoghtforward) Yes, but if *anything* goes wrong, it simply dies. SuSE has a vga exception handler that takes over (sort of like a rescue disk) that allows you in many cases to get out of trouble -- e.g. switch where the source CDs are coming from, really quite cool. AB - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- Debian 'Sarge': Registered Linux User #241964 More laws, less justice. -- Marcus Tullius Ciceroca, 42 BC - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status update + you can help
On Friday 29 September 2006 16:53, Mike Reinehr wrote: I'm catching up with this thread with interest after just coming into work this morning. Kern, my sympathy. I can imagine how frustrated you are, but it just goes to show how good a programmer you are, that it wasn't Bacula after all! Thanks. :-) After reading the merits weaknesses of RHEL, SUSE, Centos, I have only one question. Have you considered or tried Debian lately? I settled on Debian several years ago after becoming disenchanted with each of the major commercial distributions and haven't regreted it for a moment. (My servers are humming along happily with Debian AMD64-Sarge Bacula 1.36 as we speak!) Yes, I tried Debian (3.1 if I remember right), but where I could get it to install, it came with a 2.4 kernel, and it won't install on most systems I want because it cannot recognize either my graphics card or my ethernet card. Without the ethernet card, I either go through a painful process of writing files to a CD or give up, which is what I did. Yes, Debian is very stable, and they are good about applying security fixes to their production system, but getting it running is a problem, they don't yet (at least as of a few months ago) provide security updates for testing, and they lag very far behind where I want to be on my development machine. I don't want to sound in the least like I am knocking Debian, it just doesn't at the moment quite fit what I am looking for. I see that they are discussing/changing a lot of things (possibly hiring developers!), perhaps some of that comes from Ubantu, so I'm lingering in the sidelines waiting to see what happens. I don't exclude Debian for my server, which is currently on FC4 -- except that I don't think that Debian either has SELinux (as my server does) or AppArmor as SuSE does. Three Cheers for Bacula! Thanks, especially for the words of encouragement. Kern PS: Thanks to all of you who voted for the bug report I filed -- the last time I looked there were 18 votes! The good news as of a couple of minutes ago is that their 10.2 kernel 2.6.18-rc5-git6-2-bigsmp does not have the bug, so at least I have an all SuSE solution :-) cmr On Friday 29 September 2006 08:00, Kern Sibbald wrote: On Friday 29 September 2006 14:39, Alan Brown wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: Centos is _very_ stable. RHEL can be licensed quite cheaply if you don't buy the support package (about US$10/machine) The last time I looked (some time ago), it was over $200/machine. That is too much for me. For a company or someone serious about servers, that's OK and quite far given their security updates. Redhat offer some discounts for developers, etc. That is interesting. As a Bacula feature request is now in their system and has been requested by at least 25 different customers, they may well be interested in giving you a free license for development purposes. Hmmm. That is even more interesting. I actually have RHEL and access to their network, but that is because I administer a machine, where the organization (MercyShips) has a global RedHat license. That said, other than having the CDs for recovery purposes, which unfortunately I needed recently, I cannot load them on my machines. I don't disagree with your assessment of installations - I use suse at home, but I have serious issues with their level of professionalism in the commercially supported products. Well, distros are a bit of a religious thing and very personal. I look for leading edge software, good update/security service, and stability. RedHat is excellent for that, but now that they are commercial, too expensive. Fedora as you say and as I experienced is too bleeding edge. I asked them to use a 9 month release cycle, and they sent me a very kind reply giving their reasons for a 6 month cycle. I then looked at a lot of distros: debian, kubantu, ubantu, madrivia, ... However, most of them wouldn't even install on a leading edge Dell (debian, ubantu), others (kubantu) are for users that don't know Unix or the distro is a one man show without a significant organization, or rely on other distros for security patches, ... For me, for the moment, with the exception of this SCSI bug, SuSE has been great (as I say, for me). One good thing from the time I wasted on this bug is that I learned that within certain restrictions (SeLinux, AppArmor, ...), unlike rpms, I can mix and match kernels from different distros as I want. (Having said that, RHEL installation is also very straoghtforward) Yes, but if *anything* goes wrong, it simply dies. SuSE has a vga exception handler that takes over (sort of like a rescue disk) that allows you in many cases to get out of trouble -- e.g. switch where the source CDs are coming from, really quite cool.
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status update + you can help
Kern, On Friday 29 September 2006 10:28, Kern Sibbald wrote: On Friday 29 September 2006 16:53, Mike Reinehr wrote: I'm catching up with this thread with interest after just coming into work this morning. Kern, my sympathy. I can imagine how frustrated you are, but it just goes to show how good a programmer you are, that it wasn't Bacula after all! Thanks. :-) After reading the merits weaknesses of RHEL, SUSE, Centos, I have only one question. Have you considered or tried Debian lately? I settled on Debian several years ago after becoming disenchanted with each of the major commercial distributions and haven't regreted it for a moment. (My servers are humming along happily with Debian AMD64-Sarge Bacula 1.36 as we speak!) Yes, I tried Debian (3.1 if I remember right), but where I could get it to install, it came with a 2.4 kernel, and it won't install on most systems I want because it cannot recognize either my graphics card or my ethernet card. Without the ethernet card, I either go through a painful process of writing files to a CD or give up, which is what I did. I understand. The Sarge (3.1r3) installer also comes with a 2.6 kernel, but in my case, even that wasn't new enough to support my SATA controller. I think I ended up using a Knoppix disk with a newer kernel to bootstrap my installation. The new Etch installer (beta 3) includes a 2.6.16 kernel that solves that problem, but if you want Sarge you either have to obtain a custom install disk, or do a basic Etch install then downgrade. Yes, Debian is very stable, and they are good about applying security fixes to their production system, but getting it running is a problem, they don't yet (at least as of a few months ago) provide security updates for testing, and they lag very far behind where I want to be on my development machine. FWIW the security team has begun providing at least some security updates for Etch. I don't want to sound in the least like I am knocking Debian, it just doesn't at the moment quite fit what I am looking for. I see that they are discussing/changing a lot of things (possibly hiring developers!), perhaps some of that comes from Ubantu, so I'm lingering in the sidelines waiting to see what happens. I don't exclude Debian for my server, which is currently on FC4 -- except that I don't think that Debian either has SELinux (as my server does) or AppArmor as SuSE does. Actually, SELinux does seem now to be available both for Sarge Etch, but I don't know anything about it. Oh well, I just couldn't resist putting in a plug for Debian, but I think I rather would prefer discussing religion or politics than debating the merits of Linux distributions! ;-) Cheers! cmr PS Bearing in mind your message about email bounces, I received three copies of your reply--one addressed to me, personally, and two addressed to bacula-users. PPS I'm a user of apcupsd, too! Three Cheers for Bacula! Thanks, especially for the words of encouragement. Kern PS: Thanks to all of you who voted for the bug report I filed -- the last time I looked there were 18 votes! The good news as of a couple of minutes ago is that their 10.2 kernel 2.6.18-rc5-git6-2-bigsmp does not have the bug, so at least I have an all SuSE solution :-) cmr On Friday 29 September 2006 08:00, Kern Sibbald wrote: On Friday 29 September 2006 14:39, Alan Brown wrote: On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote: Centos is _very_ stable. RHEL can be licensed quite cheaply if you don't buy the support package (about US$10/machine) The last time I looked (some time ago), it was over $200/machine. That is too much for me. For a company or someone serious about servers, that's OK and quite far given their security updates. Redhat offer some discounts for developers, etc. That is interesting. As a Bacula feature request is now in their system and has been requested by at least 25 different customers, they may well be interested in giving you a free license for development purposes. Hmmm. That is even more interesting. I actually have RHEL and access to their network, but that is because I administer a machine, where the organization (MercyShips) has a global RedHat license. That said, other than having the CDs for recovery purposes, which unfortunately I needed recently, I cannot load them on my machines. I don't disagree with your assessment of installations - I use suse at home, but I have serious issues with their level of professionalism in the commercially supported products. Well, distros are a bit of a religious thing and very personal. I look for leading edge software, good update/security service, and stability. RedHat is excellent for that, but now that they are
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status update + you can help
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Les Mikesell wrote: CentOS has some additions to the stock RH version as well, like an optional kernel with firewire support and the reiserfs and xfs filesystems. It uses yum for updates and they generally stay within a few days of RH update releases. This is getting well outside the realm of Bacula itself, but I would really like to see the Enterprise volume management system (EVMS) in widespread use, as it makes disk hardware migration a painless operation while bringing all the various disk-related tools under one interface. Migrating storage has always been the achilles heel of almost every *nix, with downtime invariably necessary - and that tends to be hard to schedule in a 24*7 enterprise or research environment. AB - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
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Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote: I like SuSE a lot and have been running it and participating in the betas for severals years. However, 10.1 has been very problematic. I agree. I would wait until they sort out the package manager problem(s). They are getting close. There was a major fix about a week ago. I haven't had time to monitor the reaction. I've installed the latest libzypp update, no improvement. But you can install SMART, it's a good workaround. http://www.tweakhound.com/linux/suse/101/installing_1.htm F. -- Fábio Mengue - Núcleo de Informática - Hospital das Clínicas - Unicamp fabiao at hc dot unicamp dot brfabio at unicamp dot br Larguei a bebida. O ruim é que não lembro onde. - Badá The highest function of ecology is the understanding of consequences. - Pardot Kynes Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
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On Wednesday 28 June 2006 21:14, Joshua J. Kugler wrote: On Wednesday 28 June 2006 05:02, Kern Sibbald wrote: Searching for a new distro is not so easy. Kubuntu treats users as idiots by disabling the root account and giving full sudo privilege to the main user. Well, I suppose...but I've found it quite easy to adapt. I suppose you could say it is more Mac-ish, in that you have admin accounts that can do priv'ed operations, but really, it is the way sudo was designed. And you can always do sudo bash :) Trust me, I do that quite often. Ubuntu won't boot on a relatively modern (1.5 years old) machine. Well, in the classic works for me, YMMV tradition, I have to say I've been thrilled with Kubuntu. It's installed on a few-month-old Acer AMD Sempron system on my desktop, and has been rock solid. I think I've only had to kill X once, and never have I had a hard freeze. Running with an nVidia 6600 video card, and a Via chipset motherboard. I'm sorry to hear you've had trouble. What kind of errors does it throw? Or does it even get far enough to throw the errors? I never had any problem loading Kubuntu. I'm just not comfortable with their philosophy of how to setup a Linux machine. Their philosophy is probably quite reasonable for desktop use and for dealing with inexperienced users, but for old-timers like me, I don't have the patience to deal with a different way of using security/root. I did have problems loading Ubuntu. I forget what it was, but basically the ISO images would not load on my machine -- a bad sign. Debian is great on stability and security updates, but has really old software. If you use Debian testing, you get good stability and recent software but currently (they are in the process of changing) no security updates. Agreed...It'll be great when they start doing security updates for testing. Yes, at that point, they may get another person converting his desktop. Though the more I see of SuSE, the more I am impressed. I had thought it would not be suitable for server applications because of the lack of SELinux, which I run on my server. SELinux is, however, *extremely* complex and it is not easy to write rules for it. On the other hand the SuSE AppArmor *appears* to accomplish the same thing in a much simpler way and for the most part using automated tools. I still haven't found a technical paper on how AppArmor really works, so this is an open research subject for me. -- Best regards, Kern ( /\ V_V Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
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Quoting Kern Sibbald [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 28 June 2006 21:14, Joshua J. Kugler wrote: [snip] Though the more I see of SuSE, the more I am impressed. I had thought it would not be suitable for server applications because of the lack of SELinux, which I run on my server. [snip] I like SuSE a lot and have been running it and participating in the betas for severals years. However, 10.1 has been very problematic. I would wait until they sort out the package manager problem(s). They are getting close. There was a major fix about a week ago. I haven't had time to monitor the reaction. I concur with the conclusion, I am just advising caution on the timing. HTH, Jeffrey Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 sudo -s does a shell. Not sure why people keep suggesting 'sudo bash' -- any good reason? _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - User Support Spec. III |$| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 Joshua J. Kugler wrote: Well, I suppose...but I've found it quite easy to adapt. I suppose you could say it is more Mac-ish, in that you have admin accounts that can do priv'ed operations, but really, it is the way sudo was designed. And you can always do sudo bash :) Trust me, I do that quite often. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEpCBUmb+gadEcsb4RApJFAJ4mDSl+jgab3j06GPTS0KEEPy8NUQCdERh3 Zqe+kLBLRYW5OQOnSLr+G50= =RdRM -END PGP SIGNATURE- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
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On Thursday 29 June 2006 10:47, Ryan Novosielski wrote: Joshua J. Kugler wrote: Well, I suppose...but I've found it quite easy to adapt. I suppose you could say it is more Mac-ish, in that you have admin accounts that can do priv'ed operations, but really, it is the way sudo was designed. And you can always do sudo bash :) Trust me, I do that quite often. sudo -s does a shell. Not sure why people keep suggesting 'sudo bash' -- any good reason? Because I didn't know about sudo -s? :) j -- Joshua Kugler Lead System Admin -- Senior Programmer http://www.eeinternet.com PGP Key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ ID 0xDB26D7CE PO Box 80086 -- Fairbanks, AK 99708 -- Ph: 907-456-5581 Fax: 907-456-3111 Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
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On Wednesday 28 June 2006 05:02, Kern Sibbald wrote: Searching for a new distro is not so easy. Kubuntu treats users as idiots by disabling the root account and giving full sudo privilege to the main user. Well, I suppose...but I've found it quite easy to adapt. I suppose you could say it is more Mac-ish, in that you have admin accounts that can do priv'ed operations, but really, it is the way sudo was designed. And you can always do sudo bash :) Trust me, I do that quite often. Ubuntu won't boot on a relatively modern (1.5 years old) machine. Well, in the classic works for me, YMMV tradition, I have to say I've been thrilled with Kubuntu. It's installed on a few-month-old Acer AMD Sempron system on my desktop, and has been rock solid. I think I've only had to kill X once, and never have I had a hard freeze. Running with an nVidia 6600 video card, and a Via chipset motherboard. I'm sorry to hear you've had trouble. What kind of errors does it throw? Or does it even get far enough to throw the errors? Debian is great on stability and security updates, but has really old software. If you use Debian testing, you get good stability and recent software but currently (they are in the process of changing) no security updates. Agreed...It'll be great when they start doing security updates for testing. j -- Joshua Kugler Lead System Admin -- Senior Programmer http://www.eeinternet.com PGP Key: http://pgp.mit.edu/ ID 0xDB26D7CE PO Box 80086 -- Fairbanks, AK 99708 -- Ph: 907-456-5581 Fax: 907-456-3111 Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kern Sibbald wrote: | 1. Please help encourage Landon Fuller implement data encryption by | contributing to EFF. If you haven't seen the announcement about this, please | visit: http://www.bacula.org/?page=news For those of you who have | contributed to this already -- many thanks :-) Thank you to everyone that has contributed! If you would like to donate to the project, please visit the Bacula link above -- your contributions are most appreciated. Additionally, you can track my progress on the bacula section of my web log, located here: http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/bacula I've just posted the first patchset, with more to come. Cheers, Landon Fuller -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFDDDcelplZCE/15mMRAlgBAJ99XYlZa5TMtuTsF6puiSEM/0fvRACffmHj 3besAsN9y+QFdVfPkwbjZEg= =nzlm -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- SF.Net email is Sponsored by the Better Software Conference EXPO September 19-22, 2005 * San Francisco, CA * Development Lifecycle Practices Agile Plan-Driven Development * Managing Projects Teams * Testing QA Security * Process Improvement Measurement * http://www.sqe.com/bsce5sf ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
On Friday 29 April 2005 09:15, Jonas Björklund wrote: Hello, On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Kern Sibbald wrote: As you know, I have planned to release version 1.38.0 sometime in June and at the latest in July. To meet this schedule we need a feature freeze at this point. Doing so means that the following two items items originally scheduled for version 1.38 will not be implemented: #3 Migration (Move, Copy, Archive Jobs) #7 Single Job Writing to Multiple Storage Devices However, I consider item #7 to be substantially implemented with the clone feature of version 1.37 where one Job can start a clone of itself, so effectively, the only missing item will be #3 Migration. This is an important feature, and if it doesn't appear in version 1.38, I will most likely add quickly in a follow-on version. So if I understand this right, the clone feature will be in next release? I use this feature in Legato and will switch to Bacula as soon as possible. The clone feature is already implemented in 1.37 and will thus be in the released version 1.38.0. Note, this feature does not let you clone a previous job, only a currently running job. To clone a previous job, one would need feature #3, which is now on hold and is unlikely to be in version 1.38. Thanks for the update and all your time you spend on this fantastic project! Thanks for considering Bacula. -- Best regards, Kern ( /\ V_V --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id5hix ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
Kern Sibbald wrote: Hello, I am sending this to provide an update on the development status of Bacula. Recently, I have been struggling to find the motivation to finish the Python implementation in Bacula -- the going is slow, but progressing just the same. The slow going is probably because I am not getting feedback. Well here's some feedback then :) After misplacing our ARCServe CD, but only realising after uninstalling ARCServe in order to reinstall elsewhere I urgently needed an alternative! I'd seen bacula enter the Debian listings, and thought I'd give it a try. Configuration was fairly straightforward (mostly due to the excellently maintained manual) and I had it all set up and running, backing up 3 Windows servers to a pair of DLT8000 tabletop drives on an old Proliant 1000 (dual P133) in about 5 hours (with interruptions). Add a couple of weeks to fine-tune newbie mistakes and it's now running smoothly without any manual intervention needed (to begin with, I was issuing mount and unmount commands by hand every day). Bacula's a nice bit of work, and my only gripe is that it takes at least an hour to prune the database every day - not bacula's fault, just that the machine is slow, the disks are slower and I'm using the sqlite backend. It also seems to want to do database operations at times when it should really be getting on with the backup, which is a little irritating. ARCserve had a special prune database job you could schedule which would make sure the database was pruned at a set time. -- Russell Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's Nemi: http://www.metro.co.uk/img/pix/nemi_apr29.jpg --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Russell Howe wrote: ARCserve had a special prune database job you could schedule which would make sure the database was pruned at a set time. You can do this with a scheduled job in bacula. Just backup nothing and set a runbefore or runafter script Or more simply just set the default to autoprune = no and set autoprune = yes for that job only. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Kern Sibbald wrote: Note, this feature does not let you clone a previous job, only a currently running job. To clone a previous job, one would need feature #3, which is now on hold and is unlikely to be in version 1.38. Oh I see... I'll try when it's ready. Otherwise I have to wait for the next version. Thanks! --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
On Friday 29 April 2005 11:21, Russell Howe wrote: Kern Sibbald wrote: Hello, I am sending this to provide an update on the development status of Bacula. Recently, I have been struggling to find the motivation to finish the Python implementation in Bacula -- the going is slow, but progressing just the same. The slow going is probably because I am not getting feedback. Well here's some feedback then :) After misplacing our ARCServe CD, but only realising after uninstalling ARCServe in order to reinstall elsewhere I urgently needed an alternative! I'd seen bacula enter the Debian listings, and thought I'd give it a try. Configuration was fairly straightforward (mostly due to the excellently maintained manual) and I had it all set up and running, backing up 3 Windows servers to a pair of DLT8000 tabletop drives on an old Proliant 1000 (dual P133) in about 5 hours (with interruptions). Add a couple of weeks to fine-tune newbie mistakes and it's now running smoothly without any manual intervention needed (to begin with, I was issuing mount and unmount commands by hand every day). Bacula's a nice bit of work, and my only gripe is that it takes at least an hour to prune the database every day - not bacula's fault, just that the machine is slow, the disks are slower and I'm using the sqlite backend. It also seems to want to do database operations at times when it should really be getting on with the backup, which is a little irritating. ARCserve had a special prune database job you could schedule which would make sure the database was pruned at a set time. Well, Bacula has the same capability, though I haven't actually tried it. First make sure your AutoPrune is set to no in the Client resource. Second make sure you don't have Prune Jobs = yes or Prune Files = yes in your Job resource. Then make a copy of the Job resource(s) that you would like Pruned at a different time, change the Name = xxx to something different such as xxx-prune, change the Type = Backup to Type = Admin, add the following two directives: Prune Jobs = yes and Prune Files = yes, and set a schedule for the new xxx-prune job. You may need to remove one or two Backup specific resources to make the Admin job resource work, but I don't think so. Finally, be happy and let us know how it works. :-) -- Best regards, Kern ( /\ V_V --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 10:56:52 +0100 (BST), Alan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Alan On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Russell Howe wrote: ARCserve had a special prune database job you could schedule which would make sure the database was pruned at a set time. Alan You can do this with a scheduled job in bacula. Alan Just backup nothing... Or use an Admin job. __Martin --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Bacula status
Kern Sibbald wrote: Well, Bacula has the same capability, though I haven't actually tried it. First make sure your AutoPrune is set to no in the Client resource. Second make sure you don't have Prune Jobs = yes or Prune Files = yes in your Job resource. Then make a copy of the Job resource(s) that you would like Pruned at a different time, change the Name = xxx to something different such as xxx-prune, change the Type = Backup to Type = Admin, add the following two directives: Prune Jobs = yes and Prune Files = yes, and set a schedule for the new xxx-prune job. You may need to remove one or two Backup specific resources to make the Admin job resource work, but I don't think so. Finally, be happy and let us know how it works. :-) Sounds good. I don't want to change the configuration before the weekly backup though, and it's a bank holiday on Monday, so I'll give it a shot on Tuesday - thanks to all who responded :) -- Russell Howe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's Nemi: http://www.metro.co.uk/img/pix/nemi_apr29.jpg --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Tell us your software development plans! Take this survey and enter to win a one-year sub to SourceForge.net Plus IDC's 2005 look-ahead and a copy of this survey Click here to start! http://www.idcswdc.com/cgi-bin/survey?id=105hix ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
