Yes, they are busy answering peoples questions based on their curiosity.
There are thousands upon thousands of people who just want to know the truth
of something, and don't want to rely on their neighbors for knowledge.
Whether they have children already is irrelevant. They may want to have
The phrase joining partners with God is an Islamic term originally, and is
often interpreted to mean a belief that people should pray to Prophets,
Angels, Messengers to get closer to God, instead of approaching God
directly. It is condemned in the Qur'an as the only sin that God would not
forgive.
I am going to learn Arabic again (I took two years of it at the University,
but forgot most of it), and was wondering if anyone knew if one has to know
a specific dialect to read Baha'u'llah's Writings. I was learning
Levantine which is Lebanese and Syrian based, but I don't know if
Baha'u'lah
Thank you all,
I still have a Modern Standard Arabic textbook from my classes. I think
there are three or four books in the total series. I was also thinking of
learning Arabic from one of the local Mosques. They teach standard Arabic,
and Qur'anic Arabic.
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I had a conversation like this with a friend of mine, who introduced me to
his idea that the 'relativity of religious truth' meant more than another
word to say 'progressive revelation'. He presented an eloquent, but
unconvincing (to my mind) argument that boils down to the concept that since
God
What I mean Firestormin, is that not all of the Religious Scriptures agree
on fundamental theological matters. For instance, how am I supposed to
believe in the Hindu Scriptures that list a whole slew of various gods,
while simulteanously believe in the Hebrew and Qur'anic scriptures which
condemn
: Relativity of Truth
Matt Haase wrote:
I had a conversation like this with a friend of mine, who introduced
me to his idea that the 'relativity of religious truth' meant more than
another word to say 'progressive revelation'. He presented an eloquent,
but unconvincing (to my mind) argument
I don't know, I just feel that the Qur'an intends itself to be quite literal
when talking about the Oneness and Uniqueness of God.
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matt,
what logical fallacy?
i mean this dead seriously.
if to say God is One is
So, until we all agree and believe in the same religion, there will be no
peace? That is the message of the Faith?
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*Richard.*
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So, until we all agree and believe in the same religion, there will
be
no
peace? That is the message of the Faith?
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From: Matt Haase
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So, until we all agree and believe in the same religion, there will
be
no
peace? That is the message of the Faith?
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008
I have an edition of the magazine 'What is Enlightenment?', and there is a
very interesting article with a Sufi Shaykh Ragip who is also a trained
Psyhologist (or Psychiatrist) where he mentions something about this idea of
'contending with Satan'. I will quote briefly from that part of the
Ok,
But I have a quick question. Is *Promulgation of Universal Peace* translated
*into* Arabic, as it is in many other languages? I don't mind if PUP wasn't
*originally* written in Arabic. I just want to learn that passage in Arabic,
kind of like someone would want to learn a Prayer/Passage in
I'm sorry I mentioned that it was partly a Prayer. I don't know why I wrote
that.
This is the passage in question,
*But some souls are weak; we must endeavor to strengthen them. Some are
ignorant, uninformed of the bounties of God; we must strive to make them
knowing. Some are ailing; we must
Christianity, Islam, and the Baha'i Faith all state that Jesus abrogated
some laws from the Torah, but when I read the Gospels it doesn't seem like
he did much of that. There is the instance of healing on sabbath, and a few
other necessary exceptions to the rule. But they were just that;
I don't think it is required by the Shariah, either. I think it is 'Sunnah'
to grow a beard, but not 'Shariah'. My separating two actually complicates
things, but the Taliban forbidding men to cut their beards is not what a
'true Islamic state' would do. Anyway, I hope I didn't veer off too much
Thank you so much
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Dear Mark,
I'm unsure what there is to disagree with? Don't oak trees, dogs, and horses
exist? Or does perennial philosophy suggest that the essences of oak
trees, dogs, and horses exist outside physical perspective? This is a bit
over my head, so I am having a little difficulty understanding.
Dear Ian,
I would like to read that paper.
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I'll say some prayers. I hope everything will turn out ok.
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Apologies for the off-topic posting. However, I just spoke with my sister,
and it appears that my father, Harold Foster, may be dying of an
Dear Gilberto,
I'm not sure if it is about Ali-Muhammad (the Bab') VS. Ibn 'Arabi, or about
Shi'a VS. Sunni. After studying the writings of Baha'u'llah in regards to
the issues that Muslims bring up about theological matters, the more I am
convinced that both the Bab' and Baha'u'llah were stern
sounds really
bizzare to me, to the point of being almost incoherent. So maybe a
clear Bahai definition of shirk might be useful.
-G
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I'm not sure if it is about Ali-Muhammad (the Bab') VS. Ibn 'Arabi
Analysis shows that 'Abdu'l-Bahá strictly confines his remarks (*Commentary
on the Islamic Tradition: 'I Was a Hidden treasure,*') to the
*subjective*criteria for truth: given their own presuppositions and
criteria, the
advocates of each viewpoint reason correctly and attain a conclusion that is
HI rather dislike the divisiveness tone of whatever speech or letter
this comes from. What I gather from it is Baha'i=Good in character, and
non-Baha'i= Bad in character. I think I might know what this comes from.
Someone played me an audio of a sermon by a Shi'a Imam from Iran about this
Dear Mark,
I never knew there was a name for that kind of interpretation. I partly
agree/disagree with that way of interpreting scriptures. On the one hand, I
am not a literalist and I don't believe in a physical paradise, hell, etc.
But on the other hand, I can sympathize with fundamentalists
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Matt Haase wrote:
I never knew there was a name for that kind of interpretation. I partly
agree/disagree with that way of interpreting scriptures. On the one hand, I
am not a literalist and I don't believe in a physical paradise, hell, etc.
But on the other
You can study a religion for fifty years and not learn the original language
of the scriptures it was written in. A lot of American Christian preachers
have done this. They just read and re-read the Bible in English, and get a
feel for what it is about. Not everyone goes into the academic aspect
*1. weak atheism: an absence of belief regarding gods and goddesses (as
among most Buddhists).*
*7. weak theism: a position which accepts the intervention of one or more
gods or goddesses, but which does not require theistic explanations of
everything, e.g., biological origins. This view is
Hmmm, that *is* very interesting. Do you think it possibly reflects the
current trends in Baha'i-thought among American communities. I remember
reading one pamphlet that described Baha'u'llah as the 'Heavenly Father',
which is exclusively referred to G-d in the Old Testament. I digress,
though,
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IMO, the Baha'i Faith doesn't teach this. A lot of people's opinions on what
the Baha'i Faith says, says the Baha'i Faith teaches this. They often use
the reference where 'Abdu'l-Baha says that every kingdom has its own
'spirit', while humanity has a 'rational soul.'
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Why don't you just fool around with it, write a rough draft or two, submit
the idea to some publishers to see what they think, and then do what you
want with the idea.
peace
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How many people do you know who hang out with random toddlers? :-)
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Dear Susan,
I presume you mean the children of Covenant breakers? Baha'is are
asked to
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In my view, a religious person can both pray and find a scientific remedy
for their mental ailments. But, if I were forced to bet, I would choose
science over the power of prayer. But that's just me.
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Shahram,
Nothing you have written thus far has been proven with any evidence. You
have just made claims, b ut have not provided sources to prove their
validity. Which Baha'is killed by the government were 'corrupt', for
example? Why were they 'corrupt'? Why is it
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It seems like more people are paying attention to the recent happenings than
in 2005 and 2006.
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Thanks, Ahang.
I see a very well-balanced article appeared on a news
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The more I learn about religious governments and the oppression they impose
upon people, the more I am becoming a secularist who also believes in God.
The two positions might seem contradictory, but not to me at this time.
That's not to say that secular governments can
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Peace be unto you,
To get even more literal, the word 'Ali means exalted, lofty, etc. So it
could also mean Oh Exalted, Lofty one of God. But in the context of where
this phrase comes from, I agree with Jamshid that it is probably in
reference to the actual person of
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I can't speak for the guardian, but I think the Qur'an was preserved much
more than the Bible. There were many memorizers during the time of the
prophet, and this kept the original wording intact. It was common for people
in that culture to memorize long strands of
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David,
I have written the Universal House of Justice, to ask why certain people
were disenrolled from the Baha'i community, and the answer was effectively
we can't provide exact information due to the privacy of the individual
involved. I think that is the best answer
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could it mean that it is a private matter between the House and an
individual and nobody else's anywhere on the face of the earth?
This is what I'm thinking. I mean, the impetus to make the decision is in
the hands of the Universal House of Justice. And if it is not
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In some neighborhoods, people like visitors coming over and talking to them.
Their neighbors stop by to spend some time with them, and then they leave.
In other neighborhoods, people are more insular. They don't like people
coming over to talk to them, and the neighbors
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Perhaps this story was illustrating a shift in consciousness in how the
people viewed revelation. Instead of it solely being this idea that God
possesses a human being to say what God wants in a trance-like state,
perhaps there is a human element to it as well. An
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But marriage is about compromise. If the guy was fine by living his life
from fasting and praying all day, then that's great. But if he has a wife,
and her needs aren't being met, she has the right to complain.
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Susan Maneck
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Metatron is a fascinating figure in Jewish/Christian and possibly Islamic
Lore. In the Kabbalah he is the voice of God.
The Talmud http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud relates that Elisha ben
Abuyah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisha_ben_Abuyah, also called *Acher*,
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In Islamic lore, Jinn can be good or bad entities. There is a verse in the
Qur'an that says some of the Jinn became Muslims upon hearing the recitation
of the Qur'an at a person's home. But they are often depicted as
troublemaking spirits in other Islamic literature. As
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In my perspective, humility is one of God's most important attributes.
Jealousy, Rage, and Hatred are all human qualities that are distortions of
some of God's qualities. But humility and humbleness are pure qualities that
belong to God. Islamic traditions state that
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For one thing, the Dawnbreakers is sort of a hagiographical account of the
mission of the Bab'. Not everything written in it is meant to be an exact,
unbiased account of everything that went down in the Babi Movement.
Secondly, even if that story was exactly true I
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But there are also passages in the Baha'i Writings, if taken at their face
value, could be construed to imply that the world was separated between
believers and unbelievers.
*Know thou for a certainty that whoso disbelieveth in God is neither
trustworthy nor truthful.
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Just as you might interpret a lot of things from your own Baha'i Faith
symbolically and metaphorically, perhaps you may also want to give Islam the
same kind of treatment and see what comes from it? I understand that you are
upset by what some of the Mullahs have said
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No thanks. I don't follow those scholars in terms of theology. I study
religions on my own, and come to my own conclusions what I think about them.
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I'm concerned that you are so eager to lump all Muslims together as bad
people who hate Baha'is, when you are talking to two simultaneously who
don't. Do you want Muslims to hate you or something?
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Iskandar Hai, M.D.
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Yes, I respect most religions, even some of the nature-based quasi Pagan
ones.
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I am asking you, Gilberto, or Mat Haas.
Best regards,
Iskandar
Sent on the
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Yes I am seriously honest. I have read most of the Tanakh (Old Testament),
and yes there are obvious contradictions in it. That doesn't bother me.
Respect is not about what you believe about other ideologies, but how you
treat people who adhere to those ideologies. I
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Isn't it better to build bridges and build on common ground than emphasize
the differences?
That was the whole point that I was trying to make to you, as well.
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Well,
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*Moorish Science Temple of America*, *Druze*, *Alevi* and *Yazidis* don't
claim to be Muslims, but claim a distinct identity apart from Islam.
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I think one of the figures of the Baha'i Faith also said that Rumi has a
unique station in that he is not a Prophet per se, but that he was
special.
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Abdu'l-Baha
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I have also come to this conclusion of what the Baha'i stance is on this
issue from reading/studying the Baha'i Writings. I think the same can be
said of Islam. The Qur'an is very emphatic at times about the equality of
all the prophets with statements like we make no
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I would also like to point out that not every Islamic practice comes
directly from the Qur'an. Some were enumerated or slightly modified by the
Prophet, and became part of the Sunna. So the Qur'an may indeed only
mention three prayers throughout the day, but the Prophet
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I like Muhammad Asad's translation, because it has a lot of footnotes and he
goes into the deep root meanings of a lot of the words. I also like Ahmed
Ali's translation because he doesn't accept the interpretation that the
Qur'an prescribes husbands to hit their wives
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It's basically a challenge from God to those who reject it. Some of the
polytheist Arabs took to saying that Muhammad (pbuh) was like the
soothsayers who would go into trances and reveal prophecies in poetic prose,
for a nominal fee. The Qur'an tells people to learn
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He was born in Medina when it was still called Yathrib. He was also a Hafez
(one who memorized the Qur'an.)
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There were several codices of the Quran before Uthman
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If you believe a book is the very speech of God, of course you are going to
say that no other book written is like it, even if it has similarities in
style, prose and language to other works. The uniqueness of the Book is who
the Author is, not whether it has a similar
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I have astral projected, and I can assure you that it is real. But I don't
expect anyone to believe it unless it has happened to them. I agree with the
Baha'i stance on discouraging people from developing these abilities, which
is possible to do. It sounds like a lot of
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Well, a lot of times the Baha'i writings will say something like meditate
upon this, which even in English implies to think or reflect, rather
than what we normally associate with eastern styled meditation. Zikr is more
of the trance inducing styles of meditation, like
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Nafs rougly means the animalistic nature of humans in its most basic
state. But it can rise to different levels of perfection through
self-discipline, supplication, etc.
From Wikipedia:
*In the eponymous **Sura* https://mail.google.com/wiki/Sura* of the
Qur’an, the
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Isn't there another group that takes a Shi'a stance, and claims that the
Guardian is in Occultation?
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Seems to me that one of your articles should at least touch on
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I was just going to say that God-Consciousness sounded very Hindu to me,
but I'm not really surprised because I feel that Islam and Hinduism actually
have a lot of commonalities despite their very outward differences.
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Sen Sonja
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Not to mention they have been predicting a violent apocalypse for decades.
If they didn't have the word Baha'i in their name, I would have assumed
that they were just another American 'Christian' apocalyptic sect.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Susan Maneck
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*There's also at least one site that claims to speak for Jewish Bahais
and is, I think, probably a dirty tricks scheme by the Iranian
government's anti-bahai agency. It is not really intended to deceive
western Bahais I think; it exists so that the anti-bahai propaganda
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It should take you a lot longer than a week to read most of his writings,
and more importantly, internalize them. This is your life, so I'm not
telling you what to do, but I would suggest to you to slow down. This
isn't a race.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:48 AM,
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Actually, I don't think Mirza Ahmad Sohrab was officially declared a
covenant-breaker either. Shoghi Effendi said he was a great enemy towards
the faith, but I haven't been able to find a reference where he was declared
a covenant-breaker. Someone more versed in the
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*Recently at a Study Circle a new believer expressed concern as to whether
Baha'is
might be persecuted now that we have a Muslim' as a president.*
I think it is concerning that the President has to ease the tension by
claiming that he's *not *a Muslim, which implies
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Unitarian Universalism goes by the Congregationalist type of administration,
which means that the local congregation makes many of the administration
decisions of their community, even if they do have a head organization at
the top. They are more bottom-up than
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Conspiracies do exist in the world. There is evidence and proof to
demonstrate that, but there is a difference between a conspiracy *theory*,
and a *conspiracy* theory. The former is about searching for evidence and
actual facts about certain events and situations in
manipulated by wealthy business interests.
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Conspiracies do exist in the world. There is evidence and proof to
demonstrate that, but there is a difference between a conspiracy theory
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As far as the government actually physically setting up bombs to go off
right before planes they sent to be flown into the towers, no there isn't
any real good evidence for that at all. But there are some interesting
things about the tragedy. In 2000, a document
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I think this conversation is interesting. I'm not Sunni or Shi'a, but I
think both narratives have merit.
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I would point out that in the history of Sunni-Shia polemics
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I think Sunni and Shi'a narratives both have merit, but fall short in
totality. For example, Shi'as are great at keeping a memory alive and of
inspiring people with sacred history. But from a historical perspective, the
world just doesn't work in good guys/bad guys with
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I think Sunni and Shi'a narratives both have merit, but fall short in
totality.
Are you making some distinction between the Shia view
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I would have to agree with Minhaj about Arius. I don't think he taught an
Islamic view of Jesus more so than he believed that Christ was like a
lesser divinity of God. On the other hand, the Baha'i teachings (from my
perspective) teach that God is the only Divine Being
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I would have to agree with Minhaj about Arius. I don't think he taught an
Islamic view of Jesus more so than he believed that Christ was like a
lesser divinity of God. On the other hand
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It wasn't a politically loaded word until Glenn Beck used the phrase to
imply everything evil known to man, about a year ago.
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Why did the UHJ use the term social
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I think the term devout is tricky, unless there is a framework for the
word to have meaning. For example, which of the two people would you
consider more devout? A man with no facial hair, wears a suit to work -
holds fundamentalist views of religion. Or a man who grows
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*Sure, and the same is true of Islam... both in terms of how Muslims
understand Islamic general roles, or, in this case, how non-Muslims at
times go too far in attributing problematic gender roles to Islam per
se. As I've said to you before, if you really believe that
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Yes, I think we understand one another.
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Sure, and the same is true of Islam... both in terms of how Muslims
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There are obvious physiological differences between male and female, but I
would be cautious to set up definite, unchanging laws that dictate the sexes
behaviors. Statements like this is what a man does, this is what a woman
does, make me cringe, because we are all
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Thank You. Pre-emptive happy Qawl Feast to you.
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Happy Eid Al-Adha (commonly known as Eid ghorbAAn in Persian) to all my
Muslim friends; may all
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I don't know how you are defining the term radical. Quite a few of these
people on the list come from the Left, so is that how you are defining it?
Would you also refer to certain people associated with the Right as
radicals?
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Stephen
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What I find interesting about this movement is that it is like holding a
mirror to some Baha'is in regards to what they say about other religions.
Some Baha'is tell followers of older religions that the scriptures are not
meant to be taken literally, especially in
this verse otherwise than its obvious meaning is
deprived of the Spirit of God and of His mercy which encompasseth all
created things.
Adib
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What I find interesting about this movement
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Peace,
I think I started the debate (it was by accident, actually) by saying that
some (not all) Baha'is use the same type of argument against Muslims,
Christians, Jews, that this Maitreya person uses against Baha'is and others,
i.e. the verses claiming finality of
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Ya Hussein! Ya Hussein! Everyday is Ashura, and Everywhere is Karbala.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P4G69l4kXQfeature=player_embedded#!
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Oh, wow..How symoblic and beneficial to others at the same time.
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Thanks, Khazeh. Muslims in England also came up with this unique
method to commemorate Ashura
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Peace,
I don't want to further engross people into the debate (which I sincerely
did not intend to start with my initial comment), but there is a concept in
Sufi and Shi'a Islam called the Nuri Muhammad (the light of Muhammad.) Some
Sufis and Shi'a go so far to say
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That's not at all what Baha'is believe, so quit trying to make the Baha'is
seem like they are out to crush everyone else.
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Adib,
Yes I realize
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Not angry at all, and I am proud follower of the moon-god, as He is the
God of the moon, sun, earth, planets, stars, and everything in creation.
This is a Baha'i list, by the way.
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 9:52 AM, atheist challenge
atheistchallen...@gmail.com wrote:
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This is really starting to look like a dirty tricks campaign to make
Baha'is look like they hate Islam, so it will upset Muslims. I doubt you are
even an atheist at this point.
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 2:20 PM, atheist challenge
atheistchallen...@gmail.com wrote:
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That doesn't make any sense. If these many peaceful Muslims look to the
Quran, Hadith and Sunnah of the Prophet for guidance on how to live their
lives, then why aren't they murdering and maming people? Since Islam is so
evil and violent, surely these many peaceful
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I don't have any tricks in my bag, unlike you. I have seen this dozens of
times. Someone pretends to be a Baha'i, or an advocate of the Baha'i Faith,
but then sows the seeds of hatred for other peoples, as if to imply that
this is what Baha'is believe. This is done in
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Most likely he's a plant by the Islamic regime. They show up on Facebook
and elsewhere intending on interrupting Baha'i discussions and defaming
Baha'i teachings. I suggest he be ignored and eventually he'll go away.
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Matt Haase
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