Re:L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Jan Coffey
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: Re: Bitter Melons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Jan Coffey
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julia wrote: Dan Minette wrote: Its true that you can find some historian on any side of an issue. That doesn't mean that there is not a good way to determine what is likely, unlikely, and very very unlikely. For

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-03-01 Thread Jan Coffey
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] BULLY! Now was this Bully! meant in the sense that you think Eric is someone who picks on people he thinks are weaker than him, or in the sense of strong agreement as was the

Re: Tyranny

2004-03-01 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 12:33:22AM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: addressed vehemently if desired/necessary, but rather that I'm generally against rude or insulting posts intended to get a person to shut up or unsubscribe to the list. I haven't seen any posts that stated that intention. Have you?

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-01 Thread Russell Chapman
Michael Harney wrote: For one, I want heavy penalties levied against companies that off-shore work. Call it an intelectual property terrif if you like. Second, I want the government to establish work programs with that money so that people put out of work by off-shoring are able to have some

Re: A friendly neighborhood visit from the Hazmat team...

2004-03-01 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 01:35:59AM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: Anyone have any ideas what that might be? Radium, mixed with a phosphor, can make a nifty glow in the dark effect. It used to be used extensively in watch dials. A friend of mine tells a (possibly apocryphal) story how the makers of

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-03-01 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A few new words of which this list is in need Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:21:20 -0600 At 07:13 AM 2/28/04, Travis Edmunds wrote: From:

RE: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-03-01 Thread ChadCooper
Well, you're half right (2/3). Again, as long as we are being honest, the posts of yours that I have read have been a waste of my time. Not surprising you and Rob would enjoy each other's babble. Although it is disappointing that you make so little effort to discern sense from nonsense

Re: Tyranny

2004-03-01 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 12:33:22AM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: addressed vehemently if desired/necessary, but rather that I'm generally against rude or insulting posts intended to get a person to shut up or unsubscribe to the list. I haven't seen any posts that

Aristide: I was Kidnapped in a US backed COUP

2004-03-01 Thread The Fool
http://www.democracynow.org/ EXCLUSIVE BREAKING NEWS: PRESIDENT ARISTIDE SAYS 'I WAS KIDNAPPED' 'TELL THE WORLD IT IS A COUP' Multiple sources that just spoke with Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide told Democracy Now! that Aristide says he was kidnapped and taken by force to the Central

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-01 Thread The Fool
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Out of curiosity, and without wanting to get into the whole is it good/is it bad/is it fair thing: What is it that the people who complain about off-shoring (which is quite different to out-sourcing BTW) want done about it. Isn't America built on Free Enterprise?

Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica

2004-03-01 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:52:16 -0600 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Horn, John
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you'd asked one of them if the subject of the war was slavery or states rights, they'd have said states rights. Of course, the particular states right they were so concerned about losing was slavery. - jmh

Complaint (Was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?)

2004-03-01 Thread Jon Gabriel
What exactly does it take to get The Fool to stop attacking brinellers? It's happened in at least 3, possibly more emails in less than 30 days. I'm tired of opening my mail and seeing Kneem spew hate-filled insults at JDG. All the other people on this list who disagree with JDG manage to do

RE: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Horn, John
From: Jan Coffey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Actualy it was. It was fought over the states rights to be a differnt country. Seriously though, do you think that the average foot soldiure in the confederacy did not believe in the retoric of the time? No, it was fought over the states rights

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-01 Thread Michael Harney
From: Russell Chapman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Harney wrote: For one, I want heavy penalties levied against companies that off-shore work. Call it an intelectual property terrif if you like. Second, I want the government to establish work programs with that money so that people put out

Re: A friendly neighborhood visit from the Hazmat team...

2004-03-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 01:35:59AM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote: Anyone have any ideas what that might be? Radium, mixed with a phosphor, can make a nifty glow in the dark effect. It used to be used extensively in watch dials. A friend of mine tells a (possibly

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Horn, John wrote: From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you'd asked one of them if the subject of the war was slavery or states rights, they'd have said states rights. Of course, the particular states right they were so concerned about losing was slavery. Which was the

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which was the primary concern of the politicians and the people in power, but *not* of most of the infantry. The leaders meant X, said Y, the rank-and-file believed Y. Julia You know you're both stepping into a bit of a historical

Re: Complaint (Was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?)

2004-03-01 Thread The Fool
From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] What exactly does it take to get The Fool to stop attacking brinellers? It's happened in at least 3, possibly more emails in less than 30 days. I'm tired of opening my mail and seeing Kneem spew hate-filled insults at JDG. All the other people on

Re: A friendly neighborhood visit from the Hazmat team...

2004-03-01 Thread Damon Agretto
I'd heard they'd licked the *brushes* to get them wet for a finer point for painting the radium on the bits of the dials they were supposed to paint. A lot of detail painters (FREX in the gaming miniature hobby) still do this. I personally refuse to do so, even though supposedly it does

Egypt's actions towards gays -exactly like- nazi germany's

2004-03-01 Thread Jan Coffey
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storycid=540e=2u=/ap/egypt_entrapping_gays ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Scouted: Video Games make kids fat and violent

2004-03-01 Thread Jan Coffey
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storycid=581e=2u=/nm/20040301/tc_nm/leisure_games_dc fit's with my anicdotal evidence. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Jan Coffey
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jan Coffey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Actualy it was. It was fought over the states rights to be a differnt country. Seriously though, do you think that the average foot soldiure in the confederacy did not believe in

Re: Complaint (Was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?)

2004-03-01 Thread Damon Agretto
I'm not going to sit back and let JDG make extremely homophobic and misogynist remarks without calling him on it. Because that's what he's writing. He's an apologist for homophobes and he and his arguments lend a veneer or legitimacy to the hate movement. All he does is feed the

Lincoln and the Civil War (Was: Re: L3 Bitter Mellons ...)

2004-03-01 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is perhaps the greatest irony (among many) of the Civil War that perhaps the single most important reason for the South's defeat - the genius of Abraham Lincoln - could _only_ be utilized in the meritocratic North, where a dirt-poor farm boy had the

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Kevin Tarr
It is perhaps the greatest irony (among many) of the Civil War that perhaps the single most important reason for the South's defeat - the genius of Abraham Lincoln - could _only_ be utilized in the meritocratic North, where a dirt-poor farm boy had the chance to rise to the Presidency, something

Why fight in the Civil War?

2004-03-01 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view. Some of those doing the fighting were fighting for states'

Re: Lincoln and the Civil War (Was: Re: L3 Bitter Mellons ...)

2004-03-01 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that will what you mean, or was Lincoln critical on a strategic/tactical level? -bryon Oh no. You realize that you've made a critical mistake here, right Bryon? I can blabber on this topic for _hours_. People have been known to bleed at the ears

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to bring back the discussions of the American generals; just a simple question. I'm assuming you are not saying Lincoln was a genius war president. I've only read Gods and Generals, otherwise I know little about the war. It seemed that

que Libertarianism, Social Darwinism, Syndico-Anarchism, and Utilitarianism.

2004-03-01 Thread Trent Shipley
I can make a clear distinction between libertarianism and syndico-anarchism that has been making a comeback. Also, I tend to equate libertariansim with social darwinism. Though both have different histories and rationales both political-economic camps tend to produce identical results.

Re: Why fight in the Civil War?

2004-03-01 Thread Jan Coffey
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable

The unlikely triumph of democracy

2004-03-01 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view. So, was Southern defeat inevitable? I would actually say, in

Re: The unlikely triumph of democracy

2004-03-01 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If any of the other Republicans won, it would be hard to see how the US would have emerged as a major world player. Is that a fair assessment? Dan M. I believe that it is, yes. I think that if anyone else had won the election, the South would have

Re: The unlikely triumph of democracy

2004-03-01 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If any of the other Republicans won, it would be hard to see how the US would have emerged as a major world player. Is that a fair assessment? Dan M. Oh yes, one more point. I don't have the quotes close at hand (they're in the last chapter of

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-01 Thread Steve Sloan II
The Fool wrote: Let's see India, China, or Russia belly up to the bar and pay their fair share of the hundreds-of-billions of dollars per year being stolen from the US Taxpayer to make outsourcing possible. ritu wrote: What does 'belly up to the bar' mean? From context, I think it

Re: Re:L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: Re:L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view. --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, your arguments

Nothing personal (Was: Re: Tyranny)

2004-03-01 Thread Tom Beck
Perhaps it is a biased standard, but I see it a bit differently. First let me clarify that I'm not arguing that JDG's (or anyone else's) arguments should not be criticized or addressed vehemently if desired/necessary, but rather that I'm generally against rude or insulting posts intended to

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-03-01 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 10:06:19AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I thought you were done with this thread long ago... Why are you still here? You thought wrong. Read what I wrote. Did you see the word thread? I was writing to a specific person. Although, that doesn't mean I AM going

Re: que Libertarianism, Social Darwinism, Syndico-Anarchism, and Utilitarianism.

2004-03-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Trent Shipley wrote: I can make a clear distinction between libertarianism and syndico-anarchism that has been making a comeback. Also, I tend to equate libertariansim with social darwinism. Though both have different histories and rationales both political-economic camps tend to produce

Re: A friendly neighborhood visit from the Hazmat team...

2004-03-01 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 01:59:33PM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: I'd heard they'd licked the *brushes* to get them wet for a finer point for painting the radium on the bits of the dials they were supposed to paint. I think you're right. It has been a few years since I heard the story, but I

Re: Re:L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition, I don't see it as an argument of inherent principal in many/most cases; but as a pragmatic argument. The same people who argue things should be handled at the state level for X tend to support uniform federal standards on Y. This can

Re: A friendly neighborhood visit from the Hazmat team...

2004-03-01 Thread Deborah Harrell
Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: Bryon Daly wrote: Anyone have any ideas what that might be? Radium, mixed with a phosphor, can make a nifty glow in the dark effect. It used to be used extensively in watch dials. A friend of mine tells a (possibly

Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica

2004-03-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: Re: This Is Spinal Ta-, er, Metallica From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion

Re: Federal Marriage Amendment

2004-03-01 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip Reminds me of the advice not to attempt calculus while drunk. Don't drink and derive. Guess this would be a PUI (Posting Under the Influence)? Is that pronounced pyoo-ey, alternate spelling phewie? ;) Pepe LePew Maru

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] How could the South have won? How about no major offensive operations, force the North into a grinding war of attrition and denying it any major victories while either getting European intervention (which almost happened) or a Democratic victory in 1864 I

Re: Complaint (Was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?)

2004-03-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 2:17 PM Subject: Re: Complaint (Was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?) From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] What exactly does it take to get The Fool to stop

Re: Complaint (Was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?)

2004-03-01 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Complaint (Was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?) xponent I'm Not Afraid If People Know My Real Name Maru rob That's just because

Re: Tyranny

2004-03-01 Thread Deborah Harrell
John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped most I will repeat again. I would not have signed the Bush vs. Gore majority opinion had I been on the US Supreme Court. I do not consider the Bush vs. Gore ruling to be one that inspires confidence for me. Reasonable. And agreed.

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had thought that most European sympathies lay with the North, given European distaste for slavery, and that the North did actually get some European aid? What nation(s) considered intervening on the South's side? The sympathies of European

Re: Complaint (Was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?)

2004-03-01 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Complaint (Was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:17:46 -0600 From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] What exactly does it take to get The

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 2:11 PM Subject: Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view. --- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which was the primary

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Julia Thompson
Bryon Daly wrote: From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] How could the South have won? How about no major offensive operations, force the North into a grinding war of attrition and denying it any major victories while either getting European intervention (which almost happened) or a

Re: Complaint (Was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?)

2004-03-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Complaint (Was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?) - Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sre! G But could a dirt poor workhouse boy ever become president? The Advantages Of A Frontier Maru rob Thank you, Frederick Jackson Turner :-) In all seriousness...Bill Clinton? Ronald Reagan? Clinton grew up lower middle class at best,

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 7:24 PM Subject: Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view. --- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sre! G But

RE: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-03-01 Thread Chad Cooper
-Original Message- From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:42 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: A few new words of which this list is in need On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 10:06:19AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I thought you

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing I didn't see in his response -- the South did a lot of trade with Britain, so the Confederacy would have had economic ties with Britain. Julia Good point, Julia. I should have mentioned that. In fact, the South really expected

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Crap!!! I thought you were talking 19th century. (hence the workhouse reference) xponent Been Dirt Poor Myself Maru rob Ahh...now I understand. Hmm, that's an interesting question. Who was the first _urban_ President from a poor family?

Re: que Libertarianism, Social Darwinism, Syndico-Anarchism, and Utilitarianism.

2004-03-01 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2004-03-01 16:39, Julia Thompson wrote: Trent Shipley wrote: I can make a clear distinction between libertarianism and syndico-anarchism that has been making a comeback. Can you define syndico-anarchism for me? Thank you. Julia My understanding of syndycho-anarchism is

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-03-01 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 05:34:00PM -0800, Chad Cooper wrote: When I hear someone say Goodbye, particularly in the way you said it, I ALWAYS assume that means they are about to leave, I said goodbye to a specific person. regular goodbye like I'll be see'n ya.. You have me confused at this

Re: The unlikely triumph of democracy

2004-03-01 Thread Tom Beck
So, if it wasn't for luck of having Lincoln, we'd have a 20th century without the massive influence of the US. If any of the other Republicans won, it would be hard to see how the US would have emerged as a major world player. Is that a fair assessment? I don't think so, because while we

Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-03-01 Thread Jan Coffey
And becouse ... BULLY! --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 10:06:19AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I thought you were done with this thread long ago... Why are you still here? You thought wrong. Read what I wrote. Did you

Black Holes: Fuzzy Tangles of Strings?

2004-03-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/fuzzball_blackholes_040301.html Black holes may not be the smooth, featureless gravitational gluttons long thought to completely devour any matter or information that strays too close. According to a new study, information may continue to exist long after

NASA to Announce 'Significant Findings' from Opportunity

2004-03-01 Thread Robert Seeberger
Significant findings from NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity, now exploring Meridiani Planum on Mars, will be announced at a press briefing at 2 p.m. EST, Tuesday, March 2, 2004, at NASA Headquarters, Washington. The briefing will originate from the James E. Webb Auditorium, 300 E St.,

Bully! was Re: A few new words of which this list is in need

2004-03-01 Thread Jan Coffey
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 05:34:00PM -0800, Chad Cooper wrote: When I hear someone say Goodbye, particularly in the way you said it, I ALWAYS assume that means they are about to leave, I said goodbye to a specific person.

Re: Bush Administration suckered?

2004-03-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 01:08 AM 3/1/2004 + Robert J. Chassell wrote: A question at hand is whether Iran, ruled by Shi'ite Moslems, is gaining power amongst its co-religionists in Iraq? This strikes me as having vestiges of xenophobic racism. Shias are the majority religious denomination in Iraq. The US

State's Rights and Hypocrisy Re: Re:L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic,and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 03:57 PM 3/1/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: I would actually point out that _none_ of this necessarily has to be hypocrisy. The concept of state's rights to me is not that _all things_ are best determined at the state level, but that some things are. Since the overwhelming trend since the

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2004-03-01 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
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Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-01 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 09:38:00AM -0700, Michael Harney wrote: No, it's not nonsense, it's the only way that we can keep jobs in the US, make it more expencive to off-shore work than to contract locally. I never said they couldn't off-shore work, I just said there should be fines associated

Would the North Have Settled in the Civil War? Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 04:48 PM 3/1/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: Not at all. But it is impossible for us, in the modern context, to imagine a war like the American Civil War. No Western power had fought a conflict that devastating since 1815, and the United States has never come close, before or since.

Re: Bush Administration suckered?

2004-03-01 Thread The Fool
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:08 AM 3/1/2004 + Robert J. Chassell wrote: A question at hand is whether Iran, ruled by Shi'ite Moslems, is gaining power amongst its co-religionists in Iraq? This strikes me as having vestiges of xenophobic racism. Shias are

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-01 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 11:49:13AM -0600, The Fool wrote: Should we allow any trade at all with countries that engage in child labor (by the hundred million), that are communist or fascist? No. All that does is import the cancerous tendrils of communism here. You've oversimplified. How do

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 07:17 PM 3/1/2004 -0500 Bryon Daly wrote: I had thought that most European sympathies lay with the North, given European distaste for slavery, and that the North did actually get some European aid? What nation(s) considered intervening on the South's side? You forget the role rivalries in

Re: Why fight in the Civil War?

2004-03-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 03:13 PM 3/1/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some of those doing the fighting were fighting for states' rights, so arguably it was *fought* over that. A lot of those in the South put their state above the nation. Lee

Re: The unlikely triumph of democracy

2004-03-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 03:03 PM 3/1/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: And let's not say that _anyone_ knew in advance that Lincoln would turn out to be what he turned out to be. In retrospect we can look at Lincoln's life and see the precursors of greatness before the Presidency, but at the time nominating him when

Re: Would the North Have Settled in the Civil War? Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed, I believe that Antietam remains the most deadly day in US history, and that Shiloh remains the most deadly battle. Given how close this conflict was to home, and for how long it dragged on, it is remarkable that the North did not

Re: Bush Administration suckered?

2004-03-01 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 10:00 PM 3/1/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote: This fits your (JDG's) MO perfectly. Why not have a tyranny of the majority over the minorities? In fact why even give Sunni's, kurds or christians any rights at all? After all they are only minorities, and according you (JDG), any majority has the

Re: The Fugitive Slave Act Re:L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: O.k. Question wasn't the Fugitive Slave Act a logical extension of the full faith and credit clause (which I believe was insisted upon Southerns at the Constitutional Convention who were worried about slavery in the new Union - but I could

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-01 Thread Erik Reuter
On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 11:30:35PM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote: There is a very simple response to all of this: Do you truly believe that America can make itself more prosperous by making goods and services more expensive? And the response, that unfortunately even the Bush administration

Re: Bush Administration suckered?

2004-03-01 Thread The Fool
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] the Diseased Christian Mind wrote: This strikes me as having vestiges of xenophobic racism. Shias are the majority religious denomination in Iraq. The US must consider a government dominated by Iraqi Shias to not necessarily be a

Re: Tyranny

2004-03-01 Thread The Fool
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 06:31 PM 2/29/2004 -0500 Bryon Daly wrote: From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:40 AM 2/29/2004 -0500 Bryon Daly wrote: * Disclaimer: Within reason. I admit that there are probably certain extreme views on certain topics that would

Re: The Fugitive Slave Act Re:L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view.

2004-03-01 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 10:29 PM Subject: Re: The Fugitive Slave Act Re:L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic,and a an Un- reasonable view. --- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]

U.S. government to Moonies: You're our only hope for HIV education!

2004-03-01 Thread The Fool
http://www.gorenfeld.net/blog//2004_02_01_barchive.html#1077827456395731 36 U.S. government to Moonies: You're our only hope for HIV education! Oh, wait, sorry. I've been looking into the mysterious case of why the Center For Disease Control, at one point in 2003, came to the conclusion that

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-01 Thread Michael Harney
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is a very simple response to all of this: Do you truly believe that America can make itself more prosperous by making goods and services more expensive? And my very simple response to that is: Do you truly believe that America can make itself

Re: Race to the Bottom

2004-03-01 Thread Michael Harney
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 09:38:00AM -0700, Michael Harney wrote: No, it's not nonsense, it's the only way that we can keep jobs in the US, make it more expencive to off-shore work than to contract locally. I never said they couldn't off-shore work, I