At 06:00 PM Wednesday 12/5/2007, Charlie Bell wrote:
On 06/12/2007, at 3:05 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
I'm also a committed Christian and there's nothing incompatible
about the
two.
Except insofar as Christianity makes claims about how the world is.
IIRC, you're a Lutheran, and the American
At 03:31 PM Wednesday 12/5/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
i haven't seen him in years but hear that he has
mellowed and no longer drinks excessively.
jon
Last time I saw him in person was in 2005. The
latter condition has indeed made a noticeable
difference since the first time I met him.
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
At 03:31 PM Wednesday 12/5/2007, jon louis mann wrote:
i haven't seen him in years but hear that he has
mellowed and no longer drinks excessively.
jon
Last time I saw him in person was in 2005. The
latter condition has indeed made a
On Dec 4, 2007 3:11 PM, jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
religion and science are incompatible, for the most part
May I just say, nicely perhaps... baloney.
I spend all day doing complicated large-scale mathematical analysis of
community behaviors, writing software, trying to know
On Dec 5, 2007 11:45 AM, jon louis mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
jerry pournelle, is also catholic, and used to be a much more
progressive, but now is way over to the opposite end of the political
spectrum.
I haven't seen Jerry in a long time, but I never would have guessed that he
was
In my faith, being lukewarm is cause for criticism... ;-)
Nick
what is your faith, nick, if you don't mind my asking? i get that you are a
christian, but what version? were you raised in the church, or did you have
some kind of epiphany?
i personally don't believe one's political bias
discussion of this on Ozarque's Journal (lj) some time ago.
http://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
Now is the winter of our discontent
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Subject: Re: dogmatism v
religion and science are incompatible, *for the most part*...
jon
May I just say, nicely perhaps... baloney.
I spend all day doing complicated large-scale mathematical analysis of
community behaviors, writing software, trying to know all the statistics that
might apply (I hate statistics,
On Dec 5, 2007 4:00 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Except insofar as Christianity makes claims about how the world is.
IIRC, you're a Lutheran, and the American Lutheran church is fairly
progressive. But saying there's *nothing* incompatible about the two
would seem to be a
On 06/12/2007, at 3:05 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
I'm also a committed Christian and there's nothing incompatible
about the
two.
Except insofar as Christianity makes claims about how the world is.
IIRC, you're a Lutheran, and the American Lutheran church is fairly
progressive. But saying
On 06/12/2007, at 11:17 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
There has been at least one time when I made a commitment to a
church-related activity and our CEO called and wanted to talk
business,
urgently, and I told him that on that particular day -- a Saturday
-- my
priority was the church.
nick, i remember when i went to my first science fiction convention and i
realized how diverse fandom was. i assumed we were all free thinkers and
learned there were cultists and gays and even christians among us. some of the
fans didn't even read and were into media and role playing, etc.
snippits...
Religions are belief systems...
If you question the basic tenets of the faith, you are not adhering to
that faith...
Unquestioning obedience is nothing more than a belief of the more cult-like
religions...
There aren't many that aren't cult-like in at least some of
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I just typed marx jewish question and got
http://csf.colorado.edu/psn/marx/Archive/1844-JQ/
let me quote from it.
quote
Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may
exist. Money degrades all the gods of man -- and turns
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On 4 Nov 2003, at 3:29 am, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wasn't Marx a Jew
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--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As Spock would say when confronted in such a way,
...Indeed.
He did, however, sound to me like one of many
Everyone who isn't a staunch
conservative is out to get the Jews kind of
thinker. If he can come off that
way to someone such as myself then
--- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
So the Scopes trial was a case of throwing out the
baby with the bath
water? I can see that people objecting to the
nonsense of Social
Darwinism could get it conflated with biological
Darwinism, but I
didn't know it actually happened.
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As Spock would say when confronted in such a way, ...Indeed.
He did, however, sound to me like one of many Everyone who
On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Dan Minette wrote:
Lots of things that are true should be but are not common knowledge.
The reasons for this could be the subject of a long thread. :-)
I would be interested in reading such a thread. Care to begin it? :)
Julia
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
...He gave the work of Marx that he based his
opinion on. Its easy
to find and read on the web; its quite short.
I just typed marx jewish question and got
http://csf.colorado.edu/psn/marx/Archive/1844-JQ/
let me quote from it.
snip
Part
In a message dated 11/2/2003 1:30:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Marx _certainly_ would have approved of Lenin's and
Stalin's anti-semitism. On the Jewish Question is
so viciously anti-semitic that the historical affinity
of some Jewish intellectuals for Marxism has
On 3 Nov 2003, at 7:59 pm, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As Spock would say when confronted in such a way,
...Indeed.
He did, however, sound to me like one of many
Everyone who isn't a staunch
conservative is out to get the Jews kind of
thinker. If he can come off
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As Spock would say when confronted in such a way,
...Indeed.
He did, however, sound to me like one of many
Everyone who isn't a staunch
conservative is out to get the Jews kind of
thinker. If he
On 4 Nov 2003, at 1:23 am, Jan Coffey wrote:
--- Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As Spock would say when confronted in such a way,
...Indeed.
He did, however, sound to me like one of many
Everyone who isn't a staunch
conservative is out to get the
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wasn't Marx a Jew ethnicaly?
His family converted. It's certainly possible to be a
self-hating Jew.
Were his statments about the Jewish religion and not
the Jewish people?
One of the things that makes Judaism special is that
you can't really
On 4 Nov 2003, at 3:29 am, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wasn't Marx a Jew ethnicaly?
His family converted. It's certainly possible to be a
self-hating Jew.
But Marx was quite obviously ebulliently full of himself.
Were his statments about the Jewish religion and
William T. Goodall wrote:
Discrimination based on one's intelligence, athleticism or beauty...
... is just shallow? :-)
Or did you mean discrimination based on definition 2 below?
Dictionary.com defines discrimination as:
1) The act of discriminating.
2) The ability or power to see
with
what other sets of consepts. Quite simply Dogmatism: a viewpoint or system of
ideas based on insufficiently examined premises.
Granted Marx had did have a bunch of whack ideas,
but hate for any particular
racial group doesn't seem to be one of them.
Since you are so versed
USSR though... and it was evil, EVIL I say!
People with
theist, non-theist, and atheistic viewpoints can be dogmatic about
their
metaphysical beliefs. One of the manifestations of dogmatism that I
have
noticed over the years is the attitude that error has no rights.
Another
is the denial of data
And neither of us would call Marxism a religion. I would call
Marxism-Leninism/Stalinism the official state (pseudo) religion of the
former USSR though... and it was evil, EVIL I say!
Please leave Marx out of it. He died in 1883 (34 years before the Russian
Revolution), he never expected
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Please leave Marx out of it. He died in 1883 (34
years before the Russian
Revolution), he never expected (nor would he have
approved) Communism to come
first to an agrarian, largely pre-industrial country
like Russia, and he would
have been appalled,
On 2 Nov 2003, at 6:30 pm, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Marx _certainly_ would have approved of Lenin's and
Stalin's anti-semitism. On the Jewish Question is
so viciously anti-semitic
It was actually written as a defense of the Jews against Bruno Bauer's
argument that Jews should not be granted full
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
An interesting aside to this is a conversation I had with an atheist friend
of mine during a long drive at the end of a business trip. He pointed out
that the conflict between evolution and fundamentalism didn't really start
until the 20s. At that
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And then there was some other rambelings by someone who clearly has not
studied Marx, and instead has listened to some
--- William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It was actually written as a defense of the Jews
against Bruno Bauer's
argument that Jews should not be granted full civic
rights unless they
converted to Christianity.
That's not my interpretation at all, I'm afraid. It
was written as a
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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And then there was some other rambelings by someone who clearly has
even alleged that my momma sewed socks that smell. :-)
I wouldn't call you any more or less religious than a Marxist. People with
theist, non-theist, and atheistic viewpoints can be dogmatic about their
metaphysical beliefs. One of the manifestations of dogmatism that I have
noticed over the years
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