"G. D. Akin" wrote:
>
> Julia Thompson responded with:
>
> >> "G. D. Akin" wrote:
> >> But did it have to go SIX books?
>
> > Did anyone HAVE to read all six? :)
>
> --
>
> No, not really. But I finish what I start (with two exceptions) and I really
> wante
Erik Reuter wrote:
>But I don't see why you must like him to find the book
>interesting. Talk about whiny!
Talk about short-term memory loss. I've already said several times in the past few
days that I enjoyed the first TC trilogy quite a bit, despite my distaste for the man
himself. Do I n
Julia Thompson responded with:
>> "G. D. Akin" wrote:
>> But did it have to go SIX books?
> Did anyone HAVE to read all six? :)
--
No, not really. But I finish what I start (with two exceptions) and I really
wanted to see what the fuss was about. I was loo
I wrote:
> I also liked the changes the Land and its inhabitants effect in
> Covenant.
'Effected...'
Ritu
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No point in trying even...he would just rip it up and throw it
away..
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Jim Sharkey wrote:
> Not necessarily, though since that's not going to happen any
> time soon, I don't suppose I'll get to test that theory. And
> if I didn't "behave like a saint," and I acted like a whiny
> five-year-old the entire time to boot, I wouldn't expect
> anyone to like me either
Jim Sharkey wrote:
> ritu wrote:
> >most people find TC to be an irritating, whining git. :)
>
> That's only because he *is* an irritating, whiny git. Oddly,
> though, I liked the first TC trilogy despite my strong desire
> to slap the s--- out of the main character. I think it
> speaks wel
Julia Thompson wrote:
"G. D. Akin" wrote:
Erik Reuter wrote:
Yes, again, duh! He is the anti-hero, you aren't supposed to LIKE him.
But I don't see why you must like him to find the book interesting.
Talk about whiny!
But did it have to go SIX bo
G. D. Akin wrote:
> But did it have to go SIX books?
*l*
Donaldson is currently working on the Third Chronicles
Ritu
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Jim Sharkey wrote:
> If by anti-hero you mean whiny little bitch you wanted dead
> by the end of the book, I agree. :)
I didn't want him dead. At the end of any of the 6 books. :)
But then again, he is more willing to fight Foul in the second series.
> But seriously, I don't even know that I
"G. D. Akin" wrote:
>
> Erik Reuter wrote:
>
> > Yes, again, duh! He is the anti-hero, you aren't supposed to LIKE him.
> > But I don't see why you must like him to find the book interesting.
> > Talk about whiny!
>
>
>
> But did it have to go SIX books?
Did an
Erik Reuter wrote:
> Yes, again, duh! He is the anti-hero, you aren't supposed to LIKE him.
> But I don't see why you must like him to find the book interesting.
> Talk about whiny!
But did it have to go SIX books?
George A
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Erik Reuter wrote:
I suppose like is too vague a word. I wouldn't want TC as a friend, nor
would I try to emulate him in most things, but I do like to read about
him. He is a complex character with realistic flaws and some virtues,
and he goes through conflicts that I think many people have expe
On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 11:41:04AM -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote:
> H... But I *do* like Covenant. He is much more "human"
> than most fictional characters. Most FCs are wish fulfillment/ self
> substitutes who win it all in the end against enormous obstacles. TC
> only achieves a bit
> From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> I can't understand why people only want to read about characters
they
> really like. That gets awfully boring. It is also unrealistic.
I don't mind characters that I don't like or who aren't sympathetic.
What I can't stand are characters who are j
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To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: Decline in SF?
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 12:09:12PM -0400, Jim Sharkey wrote:
>
&g
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From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Decline in SF?
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 09:52:40AM -0400, Jim Sharkey wrote:
>
&g
On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 12:09:12PM -0400, Jim Sharkey wrote:
> Not necessarily, though since that's not going to happen any time
> soon, I don't suppose I'll get to test that theory. And if I didn't
> "behave like a saint," and I acted like a whiny five-year-old the
> entire time to boot, I would
Erik Reuter wrote:
>Jim Sharkey wrote:
>> Yes, that's exactly what I meant, of course, that one should
>>really like every single character in every book. I can see how
>>you could read that into the phrase "a protagonist no one would
>>like." It definitely didn't actually mean what it said,
On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 09:52:40AM -0400, Jim Sharkey wrote:
> Yes, that's exactly what I meant, of course, that one should really
> like every single character in every book. I can see how you could
> read that into the phrase "a protagonist no one would like." It
> definitely didn't actually m
Erik Reuter wrote:
>
> On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 01:44:35AM -0400, Jim Sharkey wrote:
>
> > I suppose I understand why he acted that way, his believing none of
> > world was real and all, but I never could figure out the point of
> > creating a protagonist no one would like. That was one of the re
G. D. Akin wrote:
>Jim Sharkey wrote:
>>That was one of the reasons I disliked _Ancient of Days_, too.
>Which one? The one by Irving Greenfield or the one by Michael
>Bishop?
The latter. Some time last year I asked for reading suggestions from the list, and
that was one of the books someone p
Erik Reuter wrote:
>Jim Sharkey wrote:
>> I suppose I understand why he acted that way, his believing none
>>of world was real and all, but I never could figure out the point
>>of creating a protagonist no one would like.
>I can't understand why people only want to read about characters
>they r
Jim Sharkey wrote:
> I suppose I understand why he acted that way, his believing none of
> world was real and all, but I never could figure out the point of
> creating a protagonist no one would like. That was one of the reasons
> I disliked _Ancient of Days_, too.
--
On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 01:44:35AM -0400, Jim Sharkey wrote:
> I suppose I understand why he acted that way, his believing none of
> world was real and all, but I never could figure out the point of
> creating a protagonist no one would like. That was one of the reasons
> I disliked _Ancient of D
Erik Reuter wrote of Thomas Covenant:
>Um, duh? He is an anti-hero.
If by anti-hero you mean whiny little bitch you wanted dead by the end of the book, I
agree. :)
But seriously, I don't even know that I'd call him an anti-hero. It's been a very
long time since I read the books, but right up
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:10:04PM -0500, Horn, John wrote:
> Exactly! I couldn't have said it better myself. I mean how many
> books have the main character/protagonists (I hesitate to say 'hero')
> rape someone within the first 50 pages??
Um, duh? He is an anti-hero.
--
Erik Reuter http:
> From: Jim Sharkey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> ritu wrote:
> >most people find TC to be an irritating, whining git. :)
>
> That's only because he *is* an irritating, whiny git. Oddly,
> though, I liked the first TC trilogy despite my strong desire
> to slap the s--- out of the main characte
"G. D. Akin" wrote:
>
> Horn, John wrote:
>
> I've always wanted to try something by Bujold ever since she was
> recommended to me by the Library of Alexandria website. But there
> are *so* many of them and they all seem inter-related. I can't tell
> what order to read them in or even what book
Horn, John wrote:
I've always wanted to try something by Bujold ever since she was
recommended to me by the Library of Alexandria website. But there
are *so* many of them and they all seem inter-related. I can't tell
what order to read them in or even what book to start with!
--
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From: "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: Decline in SF?
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 10:15:40AM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
&g
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 09:35:29PM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
>
> Whoops. Should have cut that bit out -- sorry!
Actually, it wasn't your fault. Ritu cut out the part that said "ritu
wrote" and then you quoted her post. Although in her defense, there WAS
an extra level of quoting in there, so
"G. D. Akin" wrote:
>
> I MOST STRENUOUSLY OBJECT!!
>
> I did not say "My favourite epic fantasy till date is Stephen Donaldson's
> The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant." Mine was the second comment.
>
> I know if one digs, one may discern who said what in the trail below, but
> Ritu likes TC, not
ritu wrote:
>most people find TC to be an irritating, whining git. :)
That's only because he *is* an irritating, whiny git. Oddly, though, I liked the
first TC trilogy despite my strong desire to slap the s--- out of the main character.
I think it speaks well to the rest of the characters, th
Sorry for the top post.
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From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Decline in SF?
> ritu wrote:
> >
> > G. D.
> I read the first one, and didn't see what my
> fantasy-reading peers saw
> in it. (This was in high school.)
Agree. I couldn't even FINISH the first book!
> I also never really got into Eddings. I got his
> first book out of the
> library, and it was OK. They didn't have the second
> boo
John Horn wrote:
>> But I absolutely loathed the second trilogy. IIRC, everything I
>> liked about the first series was hacked up and destroyed in the
>> second.
Ritu wrote:
>Well, a few things did survive [and I am very glad Donaldson never
>confirmed the destruction of Ranhyn] but the lan
Erik Reuter wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:44:17AM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
>
> > b) Shards of Honor, if you want space opera. (At least, this is *my*
> > recommendation as to where to start.)
>
> Although chronologically first, the problem with that is, of course,
> that there is no
ritu wrote:
>
> Julia wrote:
>
> > > My guilty reading pleasures veer in the direction of liking
> > some of the
> > > romances I read during my pregnancy. :)
> >
> > Darn. You mean, I should have been reading romances all this
> > time? :)
>
> Not if you *can* read other stuff. :)
> I somehow
John Horn wrote:
> > Fwiw, I agree with you. I am not sure what tips the balance in
> favour
> > liking TC but I do think that the chances of liking the
> > series go up if
> > you read the books in your early twenties or later.
>
> I read the first TC trilogy when I was in high school and love
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:44:17AM -0500, Julia Thompson wrote:
> b) Shards of Honor, if you want space opera. (At least, this is *my*
> recommendation as to where to start.)
Although chronologically first, the problem with that is, of course,
that there is no Miles. I tend to recommend people t
"Horn, John" wrote:
>
> > From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > While I'm praising fantasy, read Lois McMaster Bujold's "The Curse
> of
> > Chalion." Very good. There is a sequel due out soon, "The
> Paladin of
> > Souls", I think.
>
> I've always wanted to try something by Bujold
> From: G. D. Akin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> While I'm praising fantasy, read Lois McMaster Bujold's "The Curse
of
> Chalion." Very good. There is a sequel due out soon, "The
Paladin of
> Souls", I think.
I've always wanted to try something by Bujold ever since she was
recommended to me by
> From: ritu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Fwiw, I agree with you. I am not sure what tips the balance in
favour
> liking TC but I do think that the chances of liking the
> series go up if
> you read the books in your early twenties or later.
I read the first TC trilogy when I was in high school
Julia wrote:
> I read the first one, and didn't see what my fantasy-reading peers saw
> in it. (This was in high school.) I think my biggest problem with it
> was that TC was irritating and whining. I didn't know the
> word "git" at
> that time. :) I didn't want to be reading a book about
Julia wrote:
> > My guilty reading pleasures veer in the direction of liking
> some of the
> > romances I read during my pregnancy. :)
>
> Darn. You mean, I should have been reading romances all this
> time? :)
Not if you *can* read other stuff. :)
I somehow couldn't. I had nightmares if I
ritu wrote:
> My guilty reading pleasures veer in the direction of liking some of the
> romances I read during my pregnancy. :)
Darn. You mean, I should have been reading romances all this time? :)
Prolly shouldn't have been reading all the Lansdale I did, but geez, for
some warped reason, I l
ritu wrote:
>
> G. D. Akin wrote:
>
> > > My favourite epic fantasy till date is
> > > Stephen Donaldson's _ The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant_.
> >
> > ---
> >
> > You must've seen something in there that I didn't. I easily
> > put that series
> > on the "not rec
G. D. Akin wrote:
> In the first book, there is a lengthy passage about how TC
> shaves himself
> with a straight-edge and hsi battle to do and not cut
> himself. He could've
> saved me hours of unenjoyable reading if he' just cut his
> throat right then
> and there.
*l*
One of my cousins s
ritu wrote:
> There is very little about these series that I don't like [and no,
> Covenant doesn't irritate me], I even remember regretting the years
> these books were undiscovered by me. :)
> However, I rarely recommend the series to people [you'd notice I just
> mentioned it- didn't tell Gau
G. D. Akin wrote:
> > My favourite epic fantasy till date is
> > Stephen Donaldson's _ The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant_.
>
> ---
>
> You must've seen something in there that I didn't. I easily
> put that series
> on the "not recommended for any reason" list.
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 10:15:40AM +0900, G. D. Akin wrote:
> ritu wrote;
>
>
>
> > My favourite epic fantasy till date is
> > Stephen Donaldson's _ The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant_.
>
> ---
>
> You must've seen something in there that I didn't. I easily put
ritu wrote;
> My favourite epic fantasy till date is
> Stephen Donaldson's _ The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant_.
---
You must've seen something in there that I didn't. I easily put that series
on the "not recommended for any reason" list.
George A
_
Horn, John wrote:
> If you prefer quality to quantity, go for George R. R. Martin.
He'll
> release no book before its time...
I just happen to be about 3/4 of the way through "A Game of Thrones"
and enjoying it immensely. Any idea how many books that series is
supposed to end up being...?
-
On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 10:21:46AM -0500, Horn, John wrote:
> > From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > If you prefer quality to quantity, go for George R. R. Martin.
> He'll
> > release no book before its time...
>
> I just happen to be about 3/4 of the way through "A Game of Thrones
> From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> If you prefer quality to quantity, go for George R. R. Martin.
He'll
> release no book before its time...
I just happen to be about 3/4 of the way through "A Game of Thrones"
and enjoying it immensely. Any idea how many books that series is
suppo
> > I think reading Guy Gavriel Kay may have spoiled me
> > for other epic fantasy, actually.
>
> _Tigana_ is on my unread pile.
>
I'm not much of a fantasy reader, but _Tigana_ is one of my all-time favorite
genre books. Probably in my top 10.
I'd also strongly recommend _The Anubis Gates_ by
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> > If you prefer quality to quantity, go for George R.
> > R. Martin. He'll
> > release no book before its time...
> >
> > Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
>
> I don't know - I read the first one in his new series,
> but was just, well, unimpressed. Jordan _start
> From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Which people are you talking about? The main
> > complaint on UseNet has been
> > that nothing happens but sniffing and folding of
> > arms across one's bosom
> > for page after page after page. Winter'
> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > > From: Chad Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> >
> > > He laments on how long Jordan's books are, he knows its
> > > pulp, but he reads it anyway.
> >
> > These newer ones aren't long enough. After Crown of s
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you prefer quality to quantity, go for George R.
> R. Martin. He'll
> release no book before its time...
>
> Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
I don't know - I read the first one in his new series,
but was just, well, unimpressed. Jordan _s
Doug Pensinger wrote
> Long ain't the problem. The problem is they suck. The first one
> was great, but they became less and less substantial until by the
> time I quit reading them (either book 6 or 16, it doesn't much
> matter) they were boring as hell. I always thought that he should
> hav
Bryon Daly wrote"
> >"Over 1,000 pages of thrills, spills, vicious aliens and noble humans. I
> >found Battlefield Earth un-put-downable."
> >- Neil Gaiman
>
> Did Neil Gaiman really say that about Battlefield Earth? He's not a
> Scientologist, is he?
>
> I read BE when it fi
Erik Reuter
> If you prefer quality to quantity, go for George R. R. Martin. He'll
> release no book before its time...
As evidenced by his "A Feast for Crows" being shifted from a September '03
to a Spring '04 release date.
George A
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Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>
> --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Which people are you talking about? The main
> > complaint on UseNet has been
> > that nothing happens but sniffing and folding of
> > arms across one's bosom
> > for page after page after page. Winter's Heart has
> > as ma
From: Kevin Tarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Over 1,000 pages of thrills, spills, vicious aliens and noble humans. I
found Battlefield Earth un-put-downable."
Neil Gaiman
Did Neil Gaiman really say that about Battlefield Earth? He's not a
Scientologist, is he?
I read BE when it
On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 07:54:24PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> And _nothing_ happened. It was ridiculous. I cannot think of a
> _single_ plot point of any significance that occurred in the entire
> book. Heck, I can't think of a single plot point from the entire
> book. I can't remember the
The Fool wrote:
He laments on how long Jordan's books are, he knows its
pulp, but he reads it anyway.
These newer ones aren't long enough. After Crown of swords every single
book has been 1/2 the size of previous books. That's why a lot of people
are whining about the new books. They are rea
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Which people are you talking about? The main
> complaint on UseNet has been
> that nothing happens but sniffing and folding of
> arms across one's bosom
> for page after page after page. Winter's Heart has
> as many pages (to with
> 5) of Path of Dagge
Chad Cooper wrote:
I am looking for good recommendations. Would anyone
on the list have any ideas for a good book to read :-) (Please limit your
suggestion to one per person. - thank you)
Simmons' Illium - in hardcover now.
Doug
About 60 pages into it, so far so good
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Chad Cooper wrote:
>
> I would agree. I find it very hard to find good sci-fi that strikes me in
> the same way as say Pournelle, Asimov, Heinlein, Poul or Niven (and more
> recently Brin :-)).
>
I think this is pure nonsense. Generations come, generations go. We
are all fans of a past generation
> Frankly I have a confession - I have not read any new sci-fi, other than
> > Brin for about a year. I am looking for good recommendations. Would anyone
> > on the list have any ideas for a good book to read :-) (Please limit your
> > suggestion to one per person. - thank you)
>
His Dark Materia
Dan wrote:
> Which people are you talking about? The main complaint on UseNet has been
> that nothing happens but sniffing and folding of arms across one's bosom
> for page after page after page. Winter's Heart has as many pages (to with
> 5) of Path of Daggers. The type set is slightly large
Chad Cooper wrote:
Frankly I have a confession - I have not read any new sci-fi, other than
> Brin for about a year. I am looking for good recommendations. Would anyone
> on the list have any ideas for a good book to read :-) (Please limit your
> suggestion to one per person. - thank you)
On 10 Sep 2003 at 8:17, Chad Cooper wrote:
> cover, since they all look exciting. Frankly I have a confession - I
> have not read any new sci-fi, other than Brin for about a year. I am
> looking for good recommendations. Would anyone on the list have any
> ideas for a good book to read :-) (Please
At 08:17 AM 9/10/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Bryon Daly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Decline in SF?
>
>
> This article by Spider Robinson laments the decline in SF,
> replaced by
> backwards
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To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: Decline in SF?
> > From: Chad Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> &g
> From: Chad Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > From: Bryon Daly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> > This article by Spider Robinson laments the decline in SF,
> > replaced by
> > backwards-looking Fantasy:
> >
> > http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20
> > 030908/COS
> -Original Message-
> From: Bryon Daly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 1:34 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Decline in SF?
>
>
> This article by Spider Robinson laments the decline in SF,
> replaced by
> backwards-looking Fantasy:
>
> http://www.g
Decline?
I wouldn't know, I'm too busy reading the stuff Baen's putting out.
_Tinker_, _There Will be Dragons_ and _Crown of Slaves_, to mention
three books I've (well, partly in the case of the first two) through
webscription ebooks recently.
I also get a LOT of old, very good SF through my e
> Would you guys agree? Is this an indicator that
> "young people no longer
> find the real future exciting"? Or is it more just
> an indicator of book
> publishers overzealously adhering to the latest
> trends, while potentially
> great SF authors languish unpublished?
I personally think its
Judith Berman wrote an article on this topic in The New York Review of
Science Fiction several years ago. It was called "Science Fiction Without The
Future" or something like that.
Tom Beck
www.prydonians.org
www.mercerjewishsingles.org
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