Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2007-08-28 Thread William T Goodall
On 5 Nov 2006, at 20:40, William T Goodall wrote: So what is it with all these right-wing evangelical anti-gay- marriage nutcases being in the closet? I see Ted 'New Life Church' Haggard has been outed for his sordid drug and rent-boy antics. Is there anyone against gay marriage

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2007-08-28 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, William T Goodall wrote: On 5 Nov 2006, at 20:40, William T Goodall wrote: So what is it with all these right-wing evangelical anti-gay- marriage nutcases being in the closet? I see Ted 'New Life Church' Haggard has been outed for his sordid drug and rent-boy antics

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2007-08-28 Thread Dave Land
On Aug 28, 2007, at 6:06 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, William T Goodall wrote: On 5 Nov 2006, at 20:40, William T Goodall wrote: So what is it with all these right-wing evangelical anti-gay- marriage nutcases being in the closet? I see Ted 'New Life Church' Haggard has

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-13 Thread Jim Sharkey
Julia Thompson wrote: Horn, John wrote: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling. Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave. Human sacrifice... Dogs and cats living together... Mass hysteria. Can't Forget Mass Hysteria

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-12 Thread Richard Baker
JDG said: Maybe I'm being a bit pedantic, but everyone in New Jersey was and is free to marry, regardless of their sexual orientation Even the children? I'm not sure I'd agree with such laws. Rich GCU Raising The Pedantry Stakes ___

RE: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-12 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:10 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Gay marriage in the closet Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:04 AM Thursday 11/9/2006, Alberto Monteiro

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-11 Thread Matt Grimaldi
So...are we to be greeted by the grand sight of the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man? -- Matt - Original Message From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:32:32 AM Subject: RE: Gay marriage in the closet On Behalf

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-11 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:58 PM Friday 11/10/2006, Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:32 AM Subject: RE: Gay marriage in the closet Dogs and cats living together... In and out

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-11 Thread Julia Thompson
Horn, John wrote: On Behalf Of pencimen What exactly are the possible adverse consequences of allowing gay marriage? Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling. Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave. Human sacrifice

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-11 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 09:38 AM Saturday 11/11/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: Mass hysteria. Julia Can't Forget Mass Hysteria Maru Isn't that what a lot of people get upon looking at the reading on the scale? -- Ronn! :) ___

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-11 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 09:38 AM Saturday 11/11/2006, Julia Thompson wrote: Mass hysteria. Julia Can't Forget Mass Hysteria Maru Isn't that what a lot of people get upon looking at the reading on the scale? Possibly. I figured out awhile back that the number on the scale

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-11 Thread pencimen
Ronn! wrote: Julia wrote: Mass hysteria. Can't Forget Mass Hysteria Maru Isn't that what a lot of people get upon looking at the reading on the scale? I thought she meant a particularly moving Catholic service. Doug ___

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-11 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 11/10/2006 5:27:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've known lots of cases in which dogs and cats lived together. Sometimes they are the best of friends. Sometimes they just seem to enjoy barking and hissing at each other. Sounds like my

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-11 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 04:00 PM Saturday 11/11/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/10/2006 5:27:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've known lots of cases in which dogs and cats lived together. Sometimes they are the best of friends. Sometimes they just seem to enjoy

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-10 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 12:04 AM Subject: Re: Gay marriage in the closet On 10/11/2006, at 4:58 PM, pencimen wrote: JDG wrote: Despite your cavalier attitude - shrug

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-10 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Charlie Bell wrote: Neither will gay marriage. The actual numbers of marriages will be, obviously, small compared to straight marriages, but the security and protection that life partners and children of gay people who choose to marry receive is vital to those people. Until

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-10 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: What? How? It doesn't change my marriage if my mate and his ? partner's relationship is recognised too. You were just advocating marriages between three or more people What's wrong with that? Historically, marriage _was_ between three or more people. OTOH, the problems

RE: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-10 Thread Horn, John
On Behalf Of pencimen What exactly are the possible adverse consequences of allowing gay marriage? Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling. Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from the grave. Human sacrifice... Dogs

RE: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-10 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:32 AM Friday 11/10/2006, Horn, John wrote: On Behalf Of pencimen What exactly are the possible adverse consequences of allowing gay marriage? Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling. Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-10 Thread Charlie Bell
On 11/11/2006, at 3:32 AM, Horn, John wrote: On Behalf Of pencimen What exactly are the possible adverse consequences of allowing gay marriage? Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling. Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes... The dead rising from

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-10 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 10:32 AM Subject: RE: Gay marriage in the closet Dogs and cats living together... In and out of civil unions.. xponent Also Had To Be Said Maru rob

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The former of your definitions has only recently been added to marriage law in Australia. The latter, well why not? *shrug* Provided people make provision for the children of such unions (adopted, fostered or biological), what

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: As I see it, the State provided incentives to marriages (unions of one man and one women) because such relationships were fertile, (...) Considering that the Earth is overpopulated, maybe it's time to the St*te to outlaw heterosexual marriages whenever the pair is infertile, and

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread dcaa
: Gay marriage in the closet JDG wrote: As I see it, the State provided incentives to marriages (unions of one man and one women) because such relationships were fertile, (...) Considering that the Earth is overpopulated, maybe it's time to the St*te to outlaw heterosexual marriages whenever

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Damon wrote: Alberto, have you been reading Haldeman's _Forever War_? No, but after I sent the message I remembered a _South Park_ episode where South Park was invaded by immigrants from the Future, and they decide that, to prevent superpopulation, they would all become gay. Alberto

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:47 AM Thursday 11/9/2006, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The former of your definitions has only recently been added to marriage law in Australia. The latter, well why not? *shrug* Provided people make provision for the children of

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 07:04 AM Thursday 11/9/2006, Alberto Monteiro wrote: JDG wrote: As I see it, the State provided incentives to marriages (unions of one man and one women) because such relationships were fertile, (...) Considering that the Earth is overpopulated, maybe it's time to the St*te to outlaw

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread Charlie Bell
couples, but prior to modern times, the number of such marriages was small (one rarely if ever knew if a couple would be infertile beforehand, and there were much fewer elderly remarriages), and in any case, such marriages didn't alter the basic societal structure. Neither will gay marriage

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell charlie@ wrote: The former of your definitions has only recently been added to marriage law in Australia. The latter, well why not? *shrug* Provided people make provision for the

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 07:04 AM Thursday 11/9/2006, Alberto Monteiro wrote: JDG wrote: As I see it, the State provided incentives to marriages (unions of one man and one women) because such relationships were fertile, (...) Considering that the Earth is overpopulated, maybe it's time

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread Julia Thompson
jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell charlie@ wrote: The former of your definitions has only recently been added to marriage law in Australia. The latter, well why not? *shrug* Provided people make provision

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread Charlie Bell
see that actively seeking bans on gay marriage does anything other than foster more bigotry and cause pain for gay couples and their children. Charlie ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread Charlie Bell
On 10/11/2006, at 3:23 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell charlie@ wrote: The former of your definitions has only recently been added to marriage law in Australia. The latter,

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread pencimen
with children as the little white laboratory mice. What exactly are the possible adverse consequences of allowing gay marriage? Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread Charlie Bell
a social experiment on a grandscale with children as the little white laboratory mice. What exactly are the possible adverse consequences of allowing gay marriage? No no! It's all about polygamy! Apparently. :-S Charlie ___ http

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-09 Thread Charlie Bell
On 09/11/2006, at 11:47 PM, jdiebremse wrote: I don't know what provisions those are that you are talking about, To answer this bit - provision for the children means inheritance and child support in case of one partner leaving the relationship through divorce or death. And support for

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-07 Thread jdiebremse
as a partnership between three people. You're also being obtuse. I have attempted to have a wider discussion on gay marriage, and you're keeping it in the narrowest scope, that of this particular ruling and state. Fair enough, you don't want that wider discussion. First, in fairness, I find you

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-07 Thread Charlie Bell
or biological), what business is it of anyone else. You're also being obtuse. I have attempted to have a wider discussion on gay marriage, and you're keeping it in the narrowest scope, that of this particular ruling and state. Fair enough, you don't want that wider discussion. First, in fairness, I find

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-07 Thread Deborah Harrell
Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/11/2006, at 5:56 PM, pencimen wrote: Charlie wrote: Still got a long way to go, especially in countries where they're specifically enacting legislation to forbid gay marriage. Round and round we go. I agree, but younger people have more

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing the server problems with Brin-L ate the end of the previous thread on this topic, but I still haven't heard a good argument for discrimination on gender preference for marriage. Except that the previous thread

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: This is the single-biggest difference between liberals who advocate judicial activism and conservatives who advocate judicial restraint. The former seem to take the position that Court decisions can be driven by whether or not something is a good idea. The latter insist that

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread pencimen
JDG wrote: recognizing that the law may occasionally be immoral, unjust, or just plain a bad idea So we agree then that the NJ ruling was legit? Or is it moral, just and a good idea to treat someone differently because of their sexual orientation? Doug

RE: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pencimen Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 11:20 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Gay marriage in the closet JDG wrote: recognizing that the law may occasionally be immoral, unjust

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread pencimen
Dan wrote: I think his point is that the principal of rule by law indicates that sometimes we must accept laws that are immoral, unjust, or bad ideas. Yes, I misread the post, sorry. Of course I couldn't disagree more. What is the use of a constitution whose tenets are ignored or a court that

RE: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread Dan Minette
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of pencimen Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 12:44 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Gay marriage in the closet Dan wrote: I think his point is that the principal of rule by law indicates

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread Charlie Bell
On 07/11/2006, at 2:49 AM, jdiebremse wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing the server problems with Brin-L ate the end of the previous thread on this topic, but I still haven't heard a good argument for discrimination on gender preference for

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], pencimen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: recognizing that the law may occasionally be immoral, unjust, or just plain a bad idea So we agree then that the NJ ruling was legit? No. Or is it moral, just and a good idea to treat someone differently because of their sexual

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], pencimen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan wrote: I think his point is that the principal of rule by law indicates that sometimes we must accept laws that are immoral, unjust, or bad ideas. Yes, I misread the post, sorry. First, thank you to Dan for explaining my

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread jdiebremse
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the single-biggest difference between liberals who advocate judicial activism and conservatives who advocate judicial restraint. The former seem to take the position that Court decisions can be driven by whether

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread pencimen
JDG wrote: Maybe I'm being a bit pedantic, but everyone in New Jersey was and is free to marry, regardless of their sexual orientation If the partner of choice isn't involved then the word free is somewhat misplaced. In any case, it's heartening to see that, despite the best effort of

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread Charlie Bell
not free to marry someone of the same orientation, so they're being treated differently. You're also being obtuse. I have attempted to have a wider discussion on gay marriage, and you're keeping it in the narrowest scope, that of this particular ruling and state. Fair enough, you don't want

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread Charlie Bell
heartening to see that, despite the best effort of Bush, Rove and their evangelical friends, attitudes are changing. Still got a long way to go, especially in countries where they're specifically enacting legislation to forbid gay marriage. Round and round we go. Seeing friends with legal marriage

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread pencimen
Charlie wrote: Still got a long way to go, especially in countries where they're specifically enacting legislation to forbid gay marriage. Round and round we go. I agree, but younger people have more tolerant attitudes and are more likely to ask why we discourage loving relationships

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-06 Thread Charlie Bell
On 07/11/2006, at 5:56 PM, pencimen wrote: Charlie wrote: Still got a long way to go, especially in countries where they're specifically enacting legislation to forbid gay marriage. Round and round we go. I agree, but younger people have more tolerant attitudes and are more likely

Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-05 Thread William T Goodall
So what is it with all these right-wing evangelical anti-gay-marriage nutcases being in the closet? I see Ted 'New Life Church' Haggard has been outed for his sordid drug and rent-boy antics. Is there anyone against gay marriage that isn't a self-loathing closeted gay? -- William T

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-05 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:40 PM Sunday 11/5/2006, William T Goodall asked: Is there anyone against gay marriage that isn't a self-loathing closeted gay? Yes. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/11/2006, at 7:40 AM, William T Goodall wrote: So what is it with all these right-wing evangelical anti-gay- marriage nutcases being in the closet? I see Ted 'New Life Church' Haggard has been outed for his sordid drug and rent-boy antics. Is there anyone against gay marriage

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-05 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brin-L brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 2:40 PM Subject: Gay marriage in the closet So what is it with all these right-wing evangelical anti-gay-marriage nutcases being in the closet? I see Ted

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-05 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 6 Nov 2006 at 7:56, Charlie Bell wrote: I'm guessing the server problems with Brin-L ate the end of the previous thread on this topic, but I still haven't heard a good argument for discrimination on gender preference for marriage. I haven't heard a good argument why marriage, a

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-05 Thread Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro
you expect people to think with reason and drop Evil Traditions? How many planes have to crash or refineries blow up before... wait... we are arguing about Gay marriage, right? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/11/2006, at 9:31 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 6 Nov 2006 at 7:56, Charlie Bell wrote: I'm guessing the server problems with Brin-L ate the end of the previous thread on this topic, but I still haven't heard a good argument for discrimination on gender preference for marriage. I

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-05 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brin-L brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 2:40 PM Subject: Gay marriage in the closet So what is it with all these right-wing evangelical anti-gay-marriage nutcases being

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-05 Thread Julia Thompson
the Earth's GNP still use feet and pounds, how can you expect people to think with reason and drop Evil Traditions? How many planes have to crash or refineries blow up before... wait... we are arguing about Gay marriage, right? Alberto Monteiro Hm. You may have something there. Where have the last few

Re: Gay marriage in the closet

2006-11-05 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Gay marriage in the closet Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED

10 Reasons Why Gay Marriage Should be Illegal

2006-04-08 Thread David Land
Folks, From Craigslist: 01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning. 02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way tha hanging around tall people will make you tall. 03) Legalizing gay

Re: Education - or lack thereof (was: Gay Marriage)

2005-01-04 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Jan 3, 2005, at 3:38 PM, Deborah Harrell wrote: of course, fungal infection of the brain is just a tad more serious than that of the toenail, and you can't do without a brain, unlike pretty feet... You might want to forward this to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor,

Re: Education - or lack thereof (was: Gay Marriage)

2005-01-03 Thread Deborah Harrell
I wrote: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: snippage throughout Toenail fungus. You lost me at Toenail fungus. Are we being given a test, which one of these does not belong? :-) My best guess is that referring to the FDA's warning in 2001 about

Re: Education - or lack thereof (was: Gay Marriage)

2005-01-03 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At Monday 04:38 PM 1/3/2005, Deborah Harrell wrote: Lamisil is much less toxic than frex Amphotericin B, which we nicknamed 'amphoterrible' b/c of its many nasty side effects (of course, fungal infection of the brain is just a tad more serious than that of the toenail, and you can't do without a

Re: Education - or lack thereof (was: Gay Marriage)

2005-01-02 Thread Reggie Bautista
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:00:43 -0500, Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may be a cosmetic problem, but its also a real pain. I sometimes have problems with my *toes* hurting because the nails are too thick, and filing them down is tedious and time consuming (that said, I did get a

Re: Education - or lack thereof (was: Gay Marriage)

2005-01-02 Thread Doug Pensinger
Reggie wrote: The vet that we take our guinea pigs and pygmie hedgehog to see uses a Dremel to do their nails. Also, the long front teath of guinea pigs continue to grow their entire life, and when they are not in the wild they often grow long enough to become a problem. Our vet uses her Dremel

Re: Education - or lack thereof (was: Gay Marriage)

2004-12-30 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Dec 29, 2004, at 7:00 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: that said, I did get a Dremel mototool for Xmas The image that spawns -- you carving away at your toes with a small rotary power tool, toenail dust flying all over -- is a cross between hilarious and disgusting. Thanks! :D -- Warren Ockrassa,

Re: Education - or lack thereof (was: Gay Marriage)

2004-12-30 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 6:53 PM Subject: Re: Education - or lack thereof (was: Gay Marriage) On Dec 29, 2004, at 7:00 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: that said, I did get

Re: Education - or lack thereof (was: Gay Marriage)

2004-12-30 Thread Bryon Daly
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:00:43 -0500, Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may be a cosmetic problem, but its also a real pain. I sometimes have problems with my *toes* hurting because the nails are too thick, and filing them down is tedious and time consuming (that said, I did get a Dremel

Education - or lack thereof (was: Gay Marriage)

2004-12-29 Thread Deborah Harrell
Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snippage Mind you that's at the local charter school. The public schools are being abandoned in droves by students who whine that the curriculum is too hard and whose parents are tired of having their kids flunk. When students become

Re: Education - or lack thereof (was: Gay Marriage)

2004-12-29 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Dec 29, 2004 at 01:50:14PM -0800, Deborah Harrell wrote: Or to emulate your choice of wording: When patients become customers, medicine is doomed. Vioxx. Toenail fungus. Major medical centers that offer unproven therapies as viable alternatives. Wishful thinking does not equal

Re: Education - or lack thereof (was: Gay Marriage)

2004-12-29 Thread Deborah Harrell
Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: Or to emulate your choice of wording: When patients become customers, medicine is doomed. Vioxx. Toenail fungus. Major medical centers that offer unproven therapies as viable alternatives. sniplet You lost me at

Re: Education - or lack thereof (was: Gay Marriage)

2004-12-29 Thread Damon Agretto
My point is more that it's a cosmetic problem if you like to show off your feet (could be more serious for the severely immunosuppressed, of course), yet the advertising implies that because it's an infection (I prefer to call it an infestation since it's superficial, and perhaps b/c I've had a

Gay Marriage

2004-11-05 Thread MironMurcury
Gay Marriage! Haven't we done enough to those people already! Asked a New Yorker cartoon. The gay marriage issue is, to me, somewhat akin to trying to argue about race. Race does not exist, sexuality is fluid, and, as far as I can tell, preordained. I would prefer government helps

Re: Gay Marriage

2004-11-05 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Nov 5, 2004, at 4:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gay Marriage! Haven't we done enough to those people already! Asked a New Yorker cartoon. Actually the amendments that passed generally block *all* kinds of marriage by proclaiming it's one man:one woman only. Plural marriage is out

Gay Marriage [was: It seems over...]

2004-11-04 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Damon Agretto wrote: Personally, I think the government should drop the term marriage from their side of things, and call ALL such unions Civil Unions and treat them the same. I think g*vernments should remove marriage from the law and include something like a Civil Society, which would allow

Re: Gay Marriage [was: It seems over...]

2004-11-04 Thread Warren Ockrassa
of goods and who takes care of the children. You bet. That's the most ideal way to go. Extending marriages to gays only would exclude other groups. I don't know that anyone is specifically requesting a pro-gay marriage law; however the laws that were enacted in 11 states say something to this effect

Massachusetts: Foes of gay marriage see blow to amendment hopes

2004-09-28 Thread Bryon Daly
Highly influential House Speaker Tom Finneran of the MA state legislature, (a gay marriage opponent who co-sponsored the anti-gay-marriage amendment) is stepping down, and his replacement is a gay marriage supporter. http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2004/09/28

Re: Massachusetts: Foes of gay marriage see blow to amendment hopes

2004-09-28 Thread Julia Thompson
Bryon Daly wrote: Highly influential House Speaker Tom Finneran of the MA state legislature, (a gay marriage opponent who co-sponsored the anti-gay-marriage amendment) is stepping down, and his replacement is a gay marriage supporter. http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2004/09/28

Re: Massachusetts: Foes of gay marriage see blow to amendment hopes

2004-09-28 Thread Bryon Daly
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:49:50 -0500, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bryon Daly wrote: http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2004/09/28/prospects_shift_as_dimasi_takes_over_for_finneran/ -or- http://tinyurl.com/5f7qn Interesting. Thank you for sharing this. You're welcome!

Re: Massachusetts: Foes of gay marriage see blow to amendment hopes

2004-09-28 Thread Julia Thompson
Bryon Daly wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:49:50 -0500, Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one quick question -- how many seats are there in the Massachusetts House? 159 by my (actually Excel's) count: http://www.mass.gov/legis/memmenuh.htm Thanks. They were talking in the

Religious Leaders Assail Amendment on Gay Marriage

2004-06-04 Thread Gary Denton
By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK, NYT complete story Officials of several religious organizations, including the Presbyterian, Lutheran and Episcopal churches, sent an open letter to Congress yesterday opposing the proposed constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage. Although we have differing

Re: Religious Leaders Assail Amendment on Gay Marriage

2004-06-04 Thread William T Goodall
On 4 Jun 2004, at 9:39 am, Gary Denton wrote: Gary D - Why is the state in the religion business of defining marriage? Because it has been hijacked by religious bigots? -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ Our

Re: Religious Leaders Assail Amendment on Gay Marriage

2004-06-04 Thread The Fool
-- From: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gary D - Why is the state in the religion business of defining marriage? You haven't been paying attention. The Entire congressional leadership of the reptiliKlans are christian reconstructionists (aka dominionists). --- Religious bondage

Re: Religious Leaders Assail Amendment on Gay Marriage

2004-06-04 Thread Nick Arnett
William T Goodall wrote: On 4 Jun 2004, at 9:39 am, Gary Denton wrote: Gary D - Why is the state in the religion business of defining marriage? Because it has been hijacked by religious bigots? Marriage did not originate in the church, the church hijacked marriage from the state a long time ago.

Re: WAS Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: WAS Re: Gay marriage update At 04:15 PM 5/22/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: I could also point out that desegregation of schools didn't really

RE: Gay marriage update

2004-05-25 Thread Horn, John
From: JDG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll see what happens when the Massachusetts Voters approve their constitutional amendment in two years in order to tell those tyrants on the MA Supreme Court exactly what the MA Constitution says. There's been over 30 years to reverse the tyrants

Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-25 Thread iaamoac
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JDG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll see what happens when the Massachusetts Voters approve their constitutional amendment in two years in order to tell those tyrants on the MA Supreme Court exactly what the MA

Re: WAS Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-25 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 25 May 2004, Dan Minette wrote: The reality of the '60s and '70s and even into the '90s is desegregation was pushed by court order. What happened was, after roughly 10 years, courts decided that all due speed was not being used and started getting involved in the nitty gritty of

Re: WAS Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Re: WAS Re: Gay marriage update On Tue, 25 May 2004, Dan Minette wrote: Actually, my understanding (and this was from a special

Re: WAS Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Re: WAS Re: Gay marriage update On Tue, 25 May 2004, Dan Minette wrote: Actually, my understanding

Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-23 Thread The Fool
-- From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll see what happens when the Massachusetts Voters approve their constitutional amendment in two years in order to tell those tyrants on the MA Supreme Court exactly what the MA Constitution says. Ah, yes tyranny. The Catholic church has

Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-23 Thread JDG
At 01:57 AM 5/23/2004 -0400 Bryon Daly wrote: So you wouldn't care about losing all the legal rights and responsibilities that come with marriage, if they were denied to you? I would be mildly annoyed, for sure.But I would find ways to make due. My central point, however, is that this

Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-22 Thread JDG
At 03:56 AM 5/18/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote: Rights are not decided by majority vote. That is the purpose of the American system, particularly the judiciary. If rights were decided by majority vote than minorities would always be in fear of majorities. Actually. in the United States

Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-22 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Gay marriage update At 03:56 AM 5/18/2004 -0500 Gary Denton wrote: Rights are not decided by majority vote. That is the purpose

Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-22 Thread JDG
At 02:50 PM 5/22/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: Well, we've yet to have a constitutional amendment telling those tyrants on the US supreme court exactly what the 15th amendment meant...and its been exactly 50 years. Has anybody else noticed Dan M.'s obsession with race? I know a lot of people

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