It's been 10 years. Some of my memory is fuzzy. :)
Regardless, Adobe didn't kill off Spectra, so it's hard to fault them for
that.
Scott
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:59 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote:
Spectra did sell well. I don't have the sales #s but it was a good
seller -
To be fair to Adobe, two of the products you mentioned they killed off were
a result of the Macromedia purchase which led to them having duplicate
products (Dreamweaver vs. GoLive, Freehand vs. Illustrator, Fireworks vs.
ImageReady, etc.), so it made sense from a business standpoint to kill one
Damn Den. I love reading your posts. Thanks for the morning giggle.
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:03 AM, denstar valliants...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
I can sleep, no worries mate.
The strength of your opinion belies that statement. You know
I know so much about marketing from my experience with small/midtier
companies in completely different lines of business that I can
accurately make a cost-benefit analysis without any background
information other than my own wild-ass guesses.
Well yours is certainly more jaded and much
I, for one, would like to acknowledge you for the entertainment value you
bring to this list. Thank you.
Jeff
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
I know so much about marketing from my experience with small/midtier
companies in completely different
You should see me dance.
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Jeffrey Battershall jbattersh...@gmail.com
wrote:
I, for one, would like to acknowledge you for the entertainment value you
bring to this list. Thank you.
Jeff
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Spectra did sell well. I don't have the sales #s but it was a good
seller - especially in Europe I believe. Allaire did not cancel it -
Macromedia did.
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Scott Brady dsbr...@gmail.com wrote:
To be fair to Adobe, two of the products you mentioned they killed off
Yeah, it was Macromedia
MD
On 29 Jan 2011, at 14:59, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote:
Spectra did sell well. I don't have the sales #s but it was a good
seller - especially in Europe I believe. Allaire did not cancel it -
Macromedia did.
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Scott
So I'll say again that we must agree to disagree here sir. It's clear I'm
not swaying you in any way. And it seems clear you think I'm a fool. The
beauty of HOF is that's it's made of so many opinionated people.
I don't think you're a fool, I just disagree with you on this specific
issue. But
ColdFusion has been around for over 15 years and has survived two corporate
takeovers. That is a remarkable accomplishment considering how many other
products and technologies have not survived. ColdFusion must be doing
something right. I usually mention this point when asked about the future of
I have created a few video's to highlight some of these problems if anyone
is interested. Also I did a video on another problem I had with migrating
over to ColdFusion 9 as per a blog post I wrote. I did this video because I
got a bit of flak on that post, because one person in particular
haha. what a great way to start the day! ha. Thanks for that.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:55 AM, rex li...@pgrworld.com wrote:
I hope this is funny for you guys because it was funny for me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwzklHZqkbE
Ballmer seems like a nice guy. It wasn't an iPhone, so he
I reckon.
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: 28 January 2011 06:40
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
This isn't actually true at all, Dave. To give one high profile
example, take Hotmail. Microsoft got a huge amount of shit
You are pointing out another example where Microsoft developers have been
highly critical of Microsoft. One of the loudest calls is for Microsoft to
integrate Silverlight into MSIE so users don't need to download a separate
plugin. Silverlight does not have the widespread penetration that the
apps.
Perhaps Railo/OBD will change this, but not by very much I reckon.
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: 28 January 2011 06:40
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
This isn't actually true at all, Dave. To give one high
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Fair enough. Though it's still kind of missing my point. My point is that is
Adobe doesn't use CF it should at least mask the use of other technologies.
That's easy to do and fairly cheap. You can _look_ like you aren't using php
without much trouble
Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz]
Sent: 28 January 2011 14:00
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Fair enough. Though it's still kind of missing my point. My point is that
is
Adobe doesn't use CF it should at least mask the use of other technologies.
That's easy to do
is cf_builder so expensive?
I disagree with the suggestion that the technologies major companies decide
to use is unimportant to developers. I am active in the Microsoft developer
and database communities and I can say with certainty that Microsoft makes a
big deal about how they use their own
-Original Message-
From: Mike Chabot [mailto:mcha...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 12:15 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
I disagree with the suggestion that the technologies major companies decide
to use is unimportant to developers. I am
Microsoft's uncertain commitment to Silverlight is the biggest area of
concern for many Microsoft developers at present.
Well, to put this in a larger context, Microsoft has a history of
throwing things out into the marketplace, then dropping them if they
don't go anywhere, or killing them
I've already explained why to bother. The same argument could be made about
Why bother changing a logo or a corporate brand? I doubt any company gets
thousands of complaints about their current brand or logo. The reason is
optics. If you aren't into marketing you likely won't get it.
I'm not
All,
Are there bugs in ColdFusion Builder? Yes. Will there be bugs in the next
release? Yes. I hope that as professional software developers we can
understand that software ships with defects. Some bugs are known, some
unknown. Some are critical to many, some are critical to just a few.
-Adam
I fully agree. The pace of change in Microsoft land is very stressful to
developers. They kill off and deprecate multiple technologies and product
features each year. Microsoft scrapping DTS sent many database developers
back into training classes. Adobe also has a history of killing off
-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
I've already explained why to bother. The same argument could be made about
Why bother changing a logo or a corporate brand? I doubt any company gets
thousands of complaints about their current brand or logo. The reason is
optics. If you aren't
-Original Message-
From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz]
Sent: 28 January 2011 14:00
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Fair enough. Though it's still kind of missing my point. My point is
that is Adobe doesn't use CF it should at least mask the use of other
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Am I in bizarro land? No one can see an advantage to (as others have stated)
eating your own dog food?
Before you know it Steve Jobs will be telling me to use Windows.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:
I
-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Am I in bizarro land? No one can see an advantage to (as others have
stated)
eating your own dog food?
Before you know it Steve Jobs will be telling me to use Windows.
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk
I do wonder though why do so many of you seem to take the tack that if a
company does (or doesn't do) something that it's both a) a fully thought out
and analyzed decision and b) the right one.
Maybe, maybe not. I don't think I mentioned a master plan. What I
did mention, was that they have a
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
I can sleep, no worries mate.
The strength of your opinion belies that statement. You know you lie
awake at night, tossing and turning over this in agony. Admit it. =)
...
I feel masking the use of php on any CF branded Adobe pages (NOT
.
-Original Message-
From: Dave Long [mailto:d...@northgoods.com]
Sent: 26 January 2011 22:05
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: why is cf_builder so expensive?
I do appreciate the assistance I have received from members of this group
but overpriced goods squeeze the cynicism out of my pores.
It seems
I can't believe you said mac's have bugs give me a call - I know a guy
in the witness protection.
-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:rcam...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 7:03 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
As I said
, January 26, 2011 10:46 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Ok let me clear one thing up, I never said it was a bad product. In fact my
words where I don't think it is a great product, but from what I am hearing
version 3 will be a must have for any developer. Now whether I think
/
-Original Message-
From: Mark A. Kruger [mailto:mkru...@cfwebtools.com]
Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2011 10:21 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: why is cf_builder so expensive?
What heap size are you running? Sounds like your JVM is resource
constrained (drawing issues, line debugger etc
Well that was my only idea... so you are on your own now :)
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 5:39 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Mark,
Unlike most people I have the heap status
Lol, sounds dangerous then...
Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/
-Original Message-
From: Mark A. Kruger [mailto:mkru...@cfwebtools.com]
Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2011 10:43 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Well that was my only
Paying the $500 is the per incident support. So you've got an issue,
you report it and ask for help. If it's a bug, you get your $500 back.
You also have Platinum support, which is maintenance support.
Maintenance is your subscription ... as long as you keep it valid, you
get new releases at
And if it is a bug that Adobe has introduced, you should pay nothing
up-front. They should just fix it.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/
~|
Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!
Where are you finding this info?
The FAQ ( http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/cfbuilder/faq/ ) only
says you need to be a current student (and that you aren't allowed to use it
for production purposes, which does limit its usefulness for people on this
list).
Scott
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011
.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 27 January 2011 3:13 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Andrew Scott
andr
: Thursday, January 27, 2011 00:23
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
This thread is deteriorating and I'm afraid this email is going to sound a
bit pissy. It's really not intended to but I'm just not sure how to respond
to this line of thought without getting personal
Builder sucks, doesn't even run WTF
!SESSION Thu Jan 27 09:37:26 EST 2011
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!ENTRY org.eclipse.equinox.launcher 4 0 2011-01-27 09:37:26.237
!MESSAGE Exception launching the Eclipse Platform:
!STACK
java.lang.ClassNotFoundException:
You're right man. Builder doesn't run anywhere. Seriously. All of us
using it are just pretending and are manipulating code with the raw
power of our big heads.
Seriously though - have you checked to see you are running the latest
version? Have you tried tech support?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at
You're right man. Builder doesn't run anywhere. Seriously. All of us
using it are just pretending and are manipulating code with the raw
power of our big heads.
There's a hands-free typing joke in there somewhere.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Seriously. All of us
using it are just pretending and are manipulating code with the raw
power of our big heads.
Pffft. Real coders write code by rubbing two sticks of ram together.
G!
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote:
You're right man. Builder
for stuff
dealing with ColdFusion?!?!? REALLY?!?!?!?!
Steve
-Original Message-
From: Scott Brady [mailto:dsbr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:07 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Where are you finding this info?
The FAQ ( http://www.adobe.com
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:28 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)
sd1...@att.com wrote:
I also think that it is funny that the confirmation page is
https://freeriatools.adobe.com/cfbuilder/thankyou.php;. PHP for stuff
dealing with ColdFusion?!?!? REALLY?!?!?!?!
There are multiple places on
I also think that it is funny that the confirmation page is
https://freeriatools.adobe.com/cfbuilder/thankyou.php;. PHP for stuff
dealing with ColdFusion?!?!? REALLY?!?!?!?!
Adobe is a big company, and they presumably contract with people for
development, or buy off-the-shelf software. So
Well Flash isn't an Adobe competitor so I'm not sure that's a good analogy.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:28 AM, DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT)
sd1...@att.com wrote:
I also think that it is funny that the confirmation
Sorry my failed attempt at humor. I just thought it was funny.
-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:rcam...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 10:41 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
There are multiple places on Adobe.com that use PHP
to me.
Eric
-Original Message-
From: Casey Dougall [mailto:ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 09:46
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:09 AM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
I
Very logical. However corporate optics are rarely logical. It's basically
the same idea as having a car salesmen at Chevy driving a Chevy.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
I also think that it is funny that the confirmation page is
I seem to remember that Adobe sells software to write code in php as well.
On Jan 27, 2011, at 8:15 AM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Very logical. However corporate optics are rarely logical. It's basically
the same idea as having a car salesmen at Chevy driving a Chevy.
On
Do they? I thought they sold CFBuilder and Dreamweaver. I didn't know they
made a product targeted to PHP.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Scott Slone ssl...@rubbergumball.netwrote:
I seem to remember that Adobe sells software to write code in php as well.
On Jan 27, 2011, at 8:15 AM,
I'm pretty sure DreamWeave writes php and gosh, HTML.
I think there are lots of things to have twisted-knickers about these days, but
this isn't one of them.
Peace.
On Jan 27, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Do they? I thought they sold CFBuilder and
Correct. However it isn't a product designed FOR php. And I don't have
twisted knickers about it mate. If you want to defend the merits of using
PHP on a site selling CF go ahead. Optically it's a poor choice, regardless
of how many logical or financial reasons there are for it.
On Thu, Jan
Very logical. However corporate optics are rarely logical. It's basically
the same idea as having a car salesmen at Chevy driving a Chevy.
What are corporate optics?
What about car dealerships that sell multiple brands? How should they proceed?
What happens when one car company buys another?
Well, this sure was a fun thread to scan through (ha!) It's funny how adamant
people can be about defending their position. Well, here's my two cents, for
what it is worth.
I've used both CFBuilder and CFEclipse, and I personally decided not to put the
money out for a copy of CFBuilder at
What are corporate optics?
Seriously?
What about car dealerships that sell multiple brands? How should they
proceed?
Same applies. Drive one of our brands. Most sales people drive company owned
vehicles.
What happens when one car company buys another? Do all the employees
have to buy
Here's my contribution to the issue.
First off CF Builder is very good. I've been using CFEclipse since it first
started, mainly as a plugin with MyEclipse which has some very nice add ons and
much more detailed server controls than CFBuilder.
One thing to note is that CFBuilder is built
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
That said I've also started using CFBuilder more. However I do have some
concerns. As I noted CFBuilder is based on Aptana Studio. With the recent
announcement that Aptana has been acquired by Appcelerator, how is
Here we go:
http://twitter.com/#!/adrocknaphobia/status/2757809574144
The @Aptana acquisition shouldn't have any effect on #ColdFusion Builder
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com
As far as Aptana being acquired by Appcelerator, the day the announcement came
out Adam did tweet that this has no effect on CFBuilder. Also, Appcelerator
is a great company. Ever use Titanium to do mobile apps? Really nice. So,
either Adobe already has the deal worked with Appcelerator or
What are corporate optics?
Seriously?
Yeah, I'm not familiar with that phrase. I'm just a simple developer.
Anyway, I guess Adobe can just pay to rewrite all this software using
the proceeds they get from reducing the price of CFB.
I guess. I'm not sure what the means.
The bulk of
Guys... This was just something funny I noticed... It happens all of the
time when you have to get a project out and the only developer available
doesn't know your preferred language. Maybe it was a new guy, maybe it
was a designer who just used graphical tools (Dreamweaver) to do the
site and
just for marketing.
Ah yeah. Just. I mean hey, marketing isn't really that important to a
company right? Companies spend billions on marketing just because it's fun.
And having consistency across a brand... well that's not very important
either. I get it Dave. You're in bed with Adobe and
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Do they? I thought they sold CFBuilder and Dreamweaver. I didn't know they
made a product targeted to PHP.
I believe they pitch Dreamweaver to PHP developers - it certainly
supports PHP - and they've also featured PHP as a
You're right man. Builder doesn't run anywhere. Seriously. All of us
using it are just pretending and are manipulating code with the raw
power of our big heads.
There's a hands-free typing joke in there somewhere.
Given it was Ray's comment:
Use the Force Ray.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Larry Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com
wrote:
That said I've also started using CFBuilder more. However I do have
some concerns. As I noted CFBuilder is based on Aptana Studio. With
the recent announcement that Aptana has been acquired by Appcelerator,
how
just for marketing.
Ah yeah. Just. I mean hey, marketing isn't really that important to a
company right? Companies spend billions on marketing just because it's fun.
And having consistency across a brand... well that's not very important
either. I get it Dave. You're in bed with Adobe and
No, I don't think there's a bottomless pit of money. That's quite a leap
Dave. I've said two negative things about Adobe (ever). The first is that it
doesn't do enough to market CF. This is not an uncommon opinion. And the
second is that it looks silly to not have your site run on the web dev
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Also, how do you know this is the ONLY place that's ever noticed the Adobe
isn't running on CF?
I'm with Dave on this: the only people who care that adobe.com has
non-CF technology in use are CFers. And it's part of the
-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:41 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Also, how do you know this is the ONLY place that's ever noticed
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Skype: markakruger
www.cfwebtools.com
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-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 7:41 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011
Yeah, I think it's the fact that 98% of our non-CF peers and an equal amount
of pseudo knowledgeable clients see the language we chose as a joke that
creates the insecurity. CF is New Zealand while everything else seems to be
Australia.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Sean Corfield
No, I don't think there's a bottomless pit of money. That's quite a leap
Dave. I've said two negative things about Adobe (ever). The first is that it
doesn't do enough to market CF. This is not an uncommon opinion. And the
second is that it looks silly to not have your site run on the web dev
I'm not telling Adobe how to run their business. I'm telling other CF devs
my opinion on two specific topics as they relate to business. You make me
sound like I'm at the gates with a pitchfork and torch.
I never said they should rewrite any applications. You can mask the use of
php (or cf or
I'm not telling Adobe how to run their business. I'm telling other CF devs
my opinion on two specific topics as they relate to business. You make me
sound like I'm at the gates with a pitchfork and torch.
You're splitting some mighty fine hairs there. Clearly you have an
opinion on how Adobe
*shrugs*
I see you want the last word. And that's ok. Like I said last time we'll
have to agree to disagree.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
I'm not telling Adobe how to run their business. I'm telling other CF
devs
my opinion on two specific topics
Hey...if I am teaching myself, does that count? hehehehe
-Original Message-
From: DURETTE, STEVEN J (ATTASIAIT) [mailto:sd1...@att.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 09:28
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Ok... It was there. I applied for it in September
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 7:44 PM, Dave Watts dwa...@figleaf.com wrote:
And if you go on mailing lists for those other products,
you don't find developers talking about what's used on what web sites,
and how that reflects on anything meaningful.
This isn't actually true at all, Dave. To give
I disagree with the suggestion that the technologies major companies decide
to use is unimportant to developers. I am active in the Microsoft developer
and database communities and I can say with certainty that Microsoft makes a
big deal about how they use their own technologies to power their
This isn't actually true at all, Dave. To give one high profile
example, take Hotmail. Microsoft got a huge amount of shit for the
fact that Hotmail ran on Linux (or BSD? I think BSD) with Apache.
Sure, they bought Hotmail and that was the primary reason. But people
kept saying oh, Windows
I disagree with the suggestion that the technologies major companies decide
to use is unimportant to developers. I am active in the Microsoft developer
and database communities and I can say with certainty that Microsoft makes a
big deal about how they use their own technologies to power
I hope this is funny for you guys because it was funny for me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwzklHZqkbE
Ballmer seems like a nice guy. It wasn't an iPhone, so he didn't smash
it ;-)
On 1/27/2011 10:14 PM, Mike Chabot wrote:
products. The CEO of Coca-Cola will never be seen enjoying a
First I would like to say that I am the type of person that relies on a good
product to do my work with, CFBuilder is not a great product and it has huge
potential.
Would I say it is worth the price tag, no I would not and others might find
that the tool is giving them the productivity that they
I am surprised that nobody has really tried to say why cf builder is so
good likes it features. in other words, nobody has really provided a good
reason as to why should I invest in it.
I think this is because this topic has been discussed to death on mailing
lists, forums, blogs, conferences,
I'll also add that you will not hear from people when a product works.
You _will_ hear when it doesn't work.
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote:
Based on the feedback I am
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 2:21 AM, Andrew Scott andr...@andyscott.id.au wrote:
Personally I find that the features that would make me more productive, have
the most bugs that well let's say are not fixed and look like might not
being fixed in the next release, I am not holding my breath, because
My 50 cents :
I've been working with CFBuilder for about 6 months now (coming from
homesite++, hard to let this one go...) and I will honestly say that it is a
very good product, with some lacks or some problems (from time to time), but
with great functionalities as well.
It helps me to work
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Raymond Camden rcam...@gmail.com wrote:
While I've not heard any firm dates, nor do I expect to, I'd like to
know where you get this 'CFX is 3 years away' statement. Did Adam say
this? Did anyone at Adobe say this?
If I buy CFBuilder today and a new one
I just finished downloading the trial and getting ready to dive in! I will
save my first impressions, but I am VERY IMPRESSED that Adobe offers a 60 day
trial, which is more than enough time to get to know my new buddy.
I am going to be very interested to see how it builds on Eclipse and
It would be nice if CFBuilder came bundled with Creative Suite as homesite
was.
It is a good product, but I don't do enough dev work these days to warrant
spending $300, DW does the job for me.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Casey Dougall
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan
...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:04 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
snip
And if your a developer the educational use is of no real benefit
because if I remember that was only for college students.
And anyone can go to their local community college
Be sure to check out the Extensions library at RIAForge:
http://www.riaforge.org/index.cfm?event=page.categoryid=14
49 free and open source tools like var scoping and query param scanning.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Michael Firth mfsqlser...@gmail.com wrote:
I just finished
[mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:04 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
snip
And if your a developer the educational use is of no real benefit
because if I remember that was only for college students.
And anyone can go to their local
Kool. Feel like a kid in a candy store with all these goodies. The
Application CFC generator and CFC Hint Checker especially look yummy.
On Jan 26, 2011, at 9:25 AM, Raymond Camden wrote:
Be sure to check out the Extensions library at RIAForge:
: Stephane Vantroyen [mailto:s...@emakina.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 06:02
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
My 50 cents :
I've been working with CFBuilder for about 6 months now (coming from
homesite++, hard to let this one go...) and I will honestly say
the little tid-bits
that I come across.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: Michael Firth [mailto:mfsqlser...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:29 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
Thanks for the information Steve and for providing the correct
information
Who is being flippant? It's a fact of life that some developer tools
cost money. That isn't unusual, it is a fact of life. I was going to
say just us developers, but I'm sure in most industries there are
tools you end up having to pay for to help you get your job done.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at
: Stephane Vantroyen [mailto:s...@emakina.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 06:02
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: why is cf_builder so expensive?
My 50 cents :
I've been working with CFBuilder for about 6 months now (coming from
homesite++, hard to let this one go...) and I will honestly say
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