Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Igor BEGHETTO]

GG/Phyllis, thanks for the ub16 built.
1) I downloaded the ot7nz.mp4 file from "streamable.com" and I checked 
this file with ffprobe command. FFprobe says to me: 61fps 3601kbps 
1280x720. So, I think, streamable changes your video compression format 
even if I saw Sam's video with others parameters for the same video. Booh!
2) However I loaded ot7nz.mp4 video in Cinelerra-gg and I have got the 
same issue like Sam, also with .mov and .mpeg. If I change the bitrate 
of the file in Media (and in Settings-Format) from 61 to 60 then it works.


Could you give me the original video file 120fps.mp4 uploading it to 
datafilehost or other, please?
@Sam: your video source was to 120 fps but what is the Project's format? 
Thanks.


IgorBeg


Il 12/04/2019 0.35, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
Later we will boot OpenSuse and see if we can get it to fail there.  
It still works here and I carefully compared what you did and even set 
the bitrate = 0.  Working demo:


https://streamable.com/u7hgi

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 2:59 PM Sam > wrote:


I have used your file and get the same error message.

Here is the video: https://streamable.com/vkav1

In the console I also get the following error message:
int FFMPEG::open_encoder(const char*, const char*):
check_frame_rate failed /home/spc/cin-test/test.proxy2-mp4.m2ts
failed=1 canceled=0
int ProxyRender::create_needed_proxies(int):
Error making proxy.


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Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Igor BEGHETTO]

GG/Phyllis quotes: Do either of you have a suggestion for a workaround 
in Proxy to be able to use a different fps? Something else "Override 
frame rate?"


For me is better don't touch it. It help to undestand if rendering will 
have any problem.

Usually, the professional mode is ...
1) to convert the source video with a external program, like Eyeframe 
(unfortunately only for Windows program) or ffmpeg, to a friendy fps 
(and change GOP, GroupOfPictures).
2) "to convert" the fps inside Cinelerra-gg, like I have done with your 
61 fps video: in Resources->Media, select the video, RMB on that video, 
choose "Info" option and change video's framerate.


In a old post/thread/issue (I don't remember) I had written that would 
be useful to have in Media, near the name of the video/audio some fields 
with the informations: fps, size, (codec?). It would be useful because 
you could see the info without open another window (Info window) for 
every file. I understand that it is not easy to implement that feature.


GG/Phyllis: "Eagle Eyes Igor"
My sister call me Ygor. Take a look at 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo

Great movie (...and No Comment, please). =)

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Re: [Cin] Waveform generation using ffmpeg filters

[Igor BEGHETTO]

To close the question, here’s an option how to generate a 440 Hz tone 
for 2 channels: https://www.datafilehost.com/d/d67b7b18

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Ugin, if you want there is an alternative, without rendering.
Take a look at:
https://streamable.com/ohuof
So it can be more flexible to change the frequency when you want, if you 
needed.
Audio1 is the master and it is shared with Audio2. Then you can change 
only the seetings of the effect on Audio1; Audio2 effect is "child" of 
Audio1.


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[Cin] Insert a video without audio between two edits

[Igor BEGHETTO]

When I have to insert a video without audio, between two edits in 
Timeline, the audio on the right side does not shift to the right even 
if the audio track is Armed. I think it would be useful if the audio was 
moved to the right for the length of the inserted video. Of course, if 
the audio track is DisArmed, it will not occur.
Now, I use a little trick to re-align the video with the audio correctly 
after the new edit is inserted.

I added a short screencast:
https://streamable.com/6yxwc

What do you think, please?

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(I write here and not in MantisBT-feature for more discussion)
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[Cin] User Folders/Bins and Delete key

[Igor BEGHETTO]

User Folders/Bins is very useful/powerful but sometimes I delete a 
thumbnail/item from my userBin (not with "Modify folder" window) and so 
it is also removed from the Media and from the project.
I know that there is the undo function and in CinelerraGG_manual.pdf it 
is described very well how to delete a file by User Folder in the 
"Modify folder" window.
I think it would be useful, if possible, to be able to remove the media 
in UserFolder directly in the right side of the Resources window, but 
without removing it from the Media and from the project (and of course 
updating the "Modify target" list of the media in "Modify folder"). It 
would be more natural from a user's point of view.

Same thing for the UserClips.
I added a screencast at
https://streamable.com/iqyhp

Thanks.

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Re: [Cin] User Folders/Bins and Delete key

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thanks Phyllis for all your reply (also in Mantis-BT).

Changing thinking strategy and only for the User Folders/Bins, is it 
possible to block media deletion (avoid deleting) from the right side of 
the Resources window? So, to delete the media correctly, (I am forced) I 
must to go in "Modify folder" window, following the procedure in the 
Manual.

If it is possible by code and you, and other users, agree with me.
Thanks.

IgorBeg


Il 18/04/2019 17.34, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
I will have to ask GG about this yet for his discussion.  The thing to 
keep in mind about User Bins is that the files just basically come 
from a linux "ls" command and are not really independent of Media.

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Re: [Cin] How to use the Background Rendering?

[Igor BEGHETTO]

If I can to add a little thing about the forum: it would be more 
attractive, for the guests/users, to embed the videos in the 
posts/comments, where possible. So the user can see the preview.
Like youtube, also streamable have an option to embed the code inside. 
Maybe Sam may do a test, I think.


For example in the Sam's link https://streamable.com/cty6d there is the 
code that I copied from embed button by streamable.com:
src="https://streamable.com/s/cty6d/kcnvpi; frameborder="0" width="100%" 
height="100%" allowfullscreen style="width: 100%; height: 100%; 
position: absolute;">


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Re: [Cin] Proxy error (optimal settings)

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Me: "2) to convert the fps inside Cinelerra-gg, like I have done with 
your 61 fps video: in Resources->Media, select the video, RMB on that 
video, choose "Info" option and change video's framerate."


(I think, you always know)
Keep in mind that if you change the fps there, only video fps is 
changed, not audio. Then you lose the A/V sync.


Phyllis: "In the Resources window comment field the addition of fps and 
codec have been added.  This has been checked into GIT and is in the 
latest ubuntu16 build in the usual place."


Thanks for all.
Could you also add the size WxH information, please? For example 
1920x1080@29.97.

And add the info for the Audio, if possible. Now it is empty.
I guess you can't create a new field for every single info. Sorry for 
all these requests.


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Re: [Cin] Observations using GPU on DNxHD and MPEG proxy while running CinelerraGG

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Il 17/05/2019 0.55, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
So I had to start Cinelerra from a clean beginning with nothing set, 
and then I could not reproduce the 30 frames/sec only and had the full 
60 frames/sec in the non-proxy case already.


The max frame rate achieved is based on your fps Project in the 
Settings-> Format.
So, if your fps Project is 30 and your video is 60fps, then you will 
never reach 60 fps, I think.


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Re: [Cin] Your message to Cin awaits moderator approval ("French translation update")

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi Oliver!
In my case your message was in SPAM inbox folder.
If possible, I would suggest you of create a compressed file like tar, 
zip, bz2 or what it is better for you. You will see that your .op file 
from 400k will become at least 1/5 of the original size.


IgorBeg


Il 27/05/2019 19.36, Olivier Humbert ha scritto:
BTW, it looks that my original message (the one including the >400Kb 
file) was delivered to the mailing list shortly after I send this 
message.


If sending the updated translation files to the ML is the right way to 
do it, could I ask you guys to set the attached message weight 
limitation up to, let say 600Kb?


All the best,
Olivier

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Re: [Cin] Improved Gradient Plugin

[Igor BEGHETTO]

GG/Phyllis thanks for the ub16 build.

Does Gradient plugin works with the masks (Mask tool) when OpenGL is 
enabled?
If X11-OpenGL Video Driver (in Preferences> Playback_A> VideoOut) is 
selected and you are using the masks, they are not showed (but the 
plugin works).
More, doing some tests a crash with dump is occurred. Maybe (surely) it 
do not depend by Gradient plugin.

I added a compressed dump file.

The Color window opened with “Inner color” or “Outer color” has not the 
OK and Cancel buttons on the bottom corners. Other plugins like Titler 
and Sketcher have it.

May be that the window’s height is too little? Thanks.
IgorBeg


Il 07/06/2019 2.51, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
Today's checkin was to get the Gradient Plugin (as often used in 
masking) to create the same results when using the X11 driver and the 
X11-OpenGL video driver.


A test version for Ubuntu16 is at:
https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-ub16-x86_64-static.txz
which contains all of the bug fixes added since May 31.   gg/Phyllis


ub16-20190607_cinelerra_3739.dmp.tar.gz
Description: application/gzip
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Re: [Cin] Improved Gradient Plugin

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thanks Phyllis!
When you have time and if this exists on "Charlie", execute the 
command at the prompt:

glxinfo | grep version
that will let us know which version of OpenGL you are running and we 
can see if it matches expectations.

"Charlie" ( hehehe ;-p ) says:
server glx version string: 1.4
client glx version string: 1.4
GLX version: 1.4
Max core profile version: 3.3
Max compat profile version: 3.0
Max GLES1 profile version: 1.1
Max GLES[23] profile version: 3.0
OpenGL core profile version string: 3.3 (Core Profile) Mesa 11.2.0
OpenGL core profile shading language version string: 3.30
OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0
OpenGL shading language version string: 1.30
OpenGL ES profile version string: OpenGL ES 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0
OpenGL ES profile shading language version string: OpenGL ES GLSL ES 3.00

Mmh, sorry for the disturb. I had read that Cinelerra-GG has been 
updated to 4.3.


GG read the dump file but found "no smoking gun" - sometimes 
insufficient information is dumped but if it is a real bug, you can 
count on it crashing again.
Okay. Thanks! I like your sentence: "no smoking gun". It remember to me 
a kind of detective story: here we say "noir".


About "the Color window opened with “Inner color” or “Outer color” has 
not the OK and Cancel buttons on the bottom corners" and "For 
consistency sake, if you think OK and Cancel buttons should be added, 
put this in MantisBT"

Okay, thanks.

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Re: [Cin] Improved Gradient Plugin

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Ooh thanks!

It is the OpenGL shading language version string: 1.30 that is of concern
And I thought it was "core profile shading language version string = 
3.3". I was wrong.


GG wants to know if when you run the same way but click on the 
"Disable OpenGL masking" checkbox, does it work correctly then?

Unfortunately it doesn't work.
I have done a quickly screencast where you can see with:
- X11 Video Driver (okay);
- OpenGL and Disable OpenGL checkbox= disable;
- OpenGL and Disable OpenGL checkbox= enable;
https://streamable.com/j9lqa

Thanks.
IgorBeg


PS:
I love the Mask tool with the new Radio buttons and the numbers that 
change the color if there is an active mask. Now I don't have to guess 
or check all the masks if there are masks or less. Really useful. Thanks!
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Re: [Cin] When changing colors, the titles disappear

[Igor BEGHETTO]

It was child of "MantisBT_207: Alpha-Slider missing in 
Title-Effect", now and May 7th fixed.

https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/bugtracker/view.php?id=207

IgorBeg

Il 29/05/2019 17.12, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
Ugin, I downloaded your demo file and can clearly see the error, but 
it works for me in an April 27th and May 7th test builds on Fedora.  
We will test on Ubuntu 18 later today using the April 30th build as we 
do not want this potential bug to go into the May 31 builds.  
Meanwhile, if anyone else reproduces this, please let us know as it 
would be bad.  GG did fixgg/Phyllis


When changing colors, the captions of Cinelerra version of April 30
disappear. Please see screencast:
https://www.datafilehost.com/d/c5ab7baa
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Re: [Cin] Cakewalk theme

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Like Andrea_paz, +1.
Olaf, really good works.
It remember to me KDE theme.

IgorBeg

Il 29/05/2019 9.40, Andrea paz ha scritto:

I want to be the first to congratulate for the new Cakewalk theme.
At first glance it looks beautiful and fancy; you can read very well
and with precision; the colors are beautiful and restful for the view;
the icons are clear and beautiful. What more can I say: thank you very
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Re: [Cin] Improved Gradient Plugin

[Igor BEGHETTO]

GG/Phyllis, I tested the new build ub16-20190608 with your simple test file.
Wow! It also works perfectly with OpenGL Video Driver (setted in 
Preferences) like X11 Video Driver.
And in Mask tool the "DisableOpenGL masking" is unchecked; if I enable 
or disable that option, the output doesn't change, it is always 
displayed correctly. What did you do?

(If you need of a screencast to see what I see on the screen, let me know)
Now, I try with my old test Project. Thanks!


Il 08/06/2019 22.04, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:

IgorB:
Yeah! we found a bug now.  Could you try the latest test build on 
simple test file?  Simple test files is at: 
https://www.datafilehost.com/d/a07d5d03


New build with fix in is at:
https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-ub16-x86_64-static.txz

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Re: [Cin] Improved Gradient Plugin

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Okay. Really thanks for the info, very clear.
But if the new Cin version do automatically, what does "Disable OpenGL 
masking" do, now? (perhaps no longer needed?)



Il 09/06/2019 19.14, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:

IgorB:
I should have made that clear.  Feathering (which uses shading) in 
masking uses OpenGL 4.3 version.  An automatic probe in Cinelerra 
looks to see which GL version you have and even if the Video Driver is 
OpenGL, will switch to software for feathering if the driver is not 
high enough.  Since the glxinfo reports less than 4.3, feathering will 
be done by the software.

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Re: [Cin] Improved Gradient Plugin

[Igor BEGHETTO]

IgorBeg: "What did you do?"
Phyllis: "He fixed a bug!"
Ahahahh, you are great! Yes, I understood, but I would like to know if 
it also depens by my OpenGL or not.

My old test Project works fine. Thanks.

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Re: [Cin] Past subtitles

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi Edouard.
Have you read the CinelerraGG_manual.pdf?
In Chapter 13.4.3_Subtitles you can find the steps.
The manual is in cinelerra-gg site -> Support --> Documentation
http://www.cinelerra-gg.org/downloads/#documentation

Note:
1) Consider that you can not see the texts in the Compositor if you use 
subtitles.
2) you can only save the subtitles in a file that you can use with 
others software (more or less)


IgorBeg


Il 18/06/2019 0.22, edouard chalaron ha scritto:

Hello all

Could someone point me towards a howto "past subtitle" function ?

or a way I can I import a srt file ?
such as :

/3/
/00:02:04,201 --> 00:02:06,651/
/Whatever comment I want to put here!/

Many thanks
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Re: [Cin] Subtitles

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Edouard,
in add what Phyllis wrote, I added another stupid screencasts of mine, 
if it can help.

https://streamable.com/n98z0

IgorBeg

PS:
In the time I have done the screencast you would know the Cinelerra 
subtititles tool better of me, I think.

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Re: [Cin] Subtitles

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thanks Andrea_paz!
It is yours.

IgorBeg


Il 20/06/2019 8.28, Andrea paz ha scritto:

@IgorBeg.
The subtitles demo is perfect for the forum (you also put the
step-by-step explanations), so I ask for your usual consent to upload
it.

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Re: [Cin] Subtitles

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thanks!
I am glad I hit the right point and it has been useful.

Edouard wrote:
Igor, if I may, screencasts are far from being stupid, with something 
as complex as cinelerra it is almost impossble to do without them

I agree with you.

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Re: [Cin] Latest GIT checkin + ubuntu16 without-vaapi build

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Phyllis wrote:
GG booted ubuntu16 this morning where there was no vaapi installed, 
loaded from the website in the testing directory, the tar file, 
untarred it, loaded a file, made a cut, and then used "q" for Quit and 
"no" for do not save.  He got no segv on the exit.  His only 
suggestion is that maybe there is some kind of permission problem on 
exit (maybe in $HOME/.bcast5, or /tmp)?

GG/Phyllis, sorry for the late and thanks, GG, for your test in ubuntu16.

For "maybe there is some kind of permission problem on exit (maybe in 
$HOME/.bcast5, or /tmp), I don't think because with the old Cin releases 
it works fine.


In these days I have tested a few of Cin releases (from 20181231) with 
four old computers: two Notebook and two Desktop, all of them with 
UbuntuStudio16.04LTS-dvd-amd64 installed. All the computers have, in 
/usr/lib/x86_64linux-gnu/ folder the "libva.so.1" and "libvdpau.so.1".

The two Notebook are a bit more new than the two Desktop.
The OS in the two Notebook has been installed with online update.
In the two Notebook all the Cin realeses works fine
In the two Desktop all the Cin releases, before 20190430, works fine.
One Desktop pc with Cin-ub16-without-vaapi-x86_64-static-20190509 works 
fine; the other Desktop give me a segv message when quit by Cin.
Cin_20190430 release in the two desktop do not run and a error message 
"ERROR while loading shared libraries: libva-x11.so.1" occur.
Finally, I have tried to install UbuntuStudio16.04LTS-dvd-amd64 with 
online update in a desktop PC, but the result is the same. I have also 
updated that desktop with "sudo apt-get install gstreamer1.0-vaapi", and 
the Cin20190430 worked but sometimes the screen flickers. I guess it 
also depends by video card.


I don't know if it is possible but could I build a Cin release (a last 
release) more or less it worked before 20190430?

Thank you.

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Re: [Cin] Latest GIT checkin + ubuntu16 without-vaapi build

[Igor BEGHETTO]

AndreaPaz wrote:

Thanks Igor, by changing the language to US, I can see the little house.
IMO, I prefer the word "clear".
Thanks to you AndreaPaz. It is not mine. I found the info in that link 
time ago if can help:

http://www.g-raffa.eu/Cinelerra/HOWTO/installation.html#_how_to_run_cinelerra_in_a_non_english_language

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Re: [Cin] Latest GIT checkin + ubuntu16 without-vaapi build

[Igor BEGHETTO]

@Phyllis/GG
I summaryze my steps if it can help.
Consider I don't want that you make a special build every month only for 
me, it will waste always your time. I add that every month, when a new 
release come out, I make a build for myself how explained in manual and 
how Sam wrote to me some time ago in CV-mailing-lists (Thanks Sam!)


- Fresh installation of *OS-UbuntuStudio_16.04LTS_64bit* from live DVD 
(because, like in AV-Linux, there is, inside, a complete suite of 
programs that I use) offline.
- In folder */usr/lib/x86_64linux-gnu/* I can see that there are 
*libva.so.1* and *libvdpau.so.1*.
- Tested better the "cinelerra-5.1-ub16-without-vaapi-x86_64-static" 
(20190509) release but when I exit from cin a segv message come out (no 
dump is created):

Cinelerra Infinity - built: May  9 2019 08:43:54
** segv at 0x7faf9a91d690 in pid 3683, tid 3683
or ** segv at 0x7f5273775690 in pid 3567, tid 3567
or ** segv at 0x7fce0db7a690 in pid 3866, tid 3866
- Tested some cin release and before 20190430 it works fine.

-With the new cin 20190430 release:
Cinelerra Infinity - built: Apr 30 2019 13:31:49
- run cin, and:  error while loading shared libraries: *libva-x11.so1*: 
cannot open shared object file.

Then I download from a online PC the deb file and type
"*sudo su dpkg -i libva-x11-1_1.7.0-1_amd64.deb*" to install the .deb file
- run cin and: error while loading shared libraries: libva-drm.so1: 
cannot open shared object file.

Then I download from a online PC the deb file and type
"*sudo su dpkg -i libva-drm1_1.7.0-1_amd64.deb*" to install the .deb file
run cin and it works as usually but when I quit from cin:
** segv at 0x7fada1940690 in pid 3317, tid 3317
and for another session (for example)
** segv at 0x7f02cdbbb690 in pid 3516, tid 3516

Also consider I am using dpkg command and probably I am wrong.
I think that I am wasting your time and the patience of the other users. 
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Re: [Cin] Observations using GPU on DNxHD and MPEG proxy while running CinelerraGG

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Pierre, your  video card is good, for me.
It has 640 CUDA CORES. Unfortuantely only ffmpeg-nvenc use cuda core and 
not for all codec, seems to me.
If you use Blender (http://www.blender.org/) and enable 
ComputeDevice=YourGTX you can see that cuda cores save a lot of your 
time to render a 3Dmodel/scene and your cpu% is low.


IgorBeg


Il 15/05/2019 23.22, Pierre autourduglobe ha scritto:
Yes, I am also inclined to believe that my video card is the 
culprit... for the lack of frame rate. It would not be able, through 
Open-GL, to decode simultaneously the 5 streams (composer + 4 mixers).


I've never played any games on my computers either... but "gamer" 
cards are much cheaper than pro cards, while being relatively 
powerful, and that's why I've always chosen them for video editing.


My current video card dates from 2014, it's a Nvidia GTX-750ti:
https://www.gigabyte.com/Graphics-Card/GV-N75TOC-2GI#ov

It includes 2 GB of GDDR5 memory, 128-bit memory interface and a 
Bandwidth of 86.4 GB/s


If it becomes clear that it is the guilty one... I'm ready to buy 
another more powerful one.


I started looking at what could be bought, which would not be too 
expensive and would be compatible with my current power supply (which 
I don't want to change).


I also don't know if Nvidia video cards or AMD cards would be the most 
compatible and optimized for Cinelerra-GG.


Here are the models I'm considering right now:

- Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 (8GB, 256-Bit GDDR5, Bandwidth 256 GB/s
- Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (6GB, 192-Bit GDDR6, Bandwidth 288 GB/s
- AMD Radeon RX 580 (8GB, 256-Bit GDDR5, Bandwidth 256 GB/s
- AMD Radeon RX 570 (4GB, 256-Bit GDDR5, Bandwidth 224 GB/s

But I'm not ready to buy right now

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Re: [Cin] Latest GIT checkin + ubuntu16 without-vaapi build

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Phyllis wrote:
We do not understand the segv message when quit by Cin and could not 
reproduce.  Did you ever get a dump /tmp/cinelerrax.dmp file 
generated?  If not, gg has no more ideas how to debug this.  If you 
ever do get dump, send it our way.
I can understand you. Unfortunately only segv message come out and not 
dump file has been created, until now.


Yes, there are a few libva related libraries that have to be installed 
and libva-x11 is one of them.  They are listed here: 
https://packages.ubuntu.com/source/xenial/libva

Thank you so much. It is very helpful to me.
Before you wrote this mail I copied from the Notebook, where cin20190430 
works fine, the DEB file I find in "/var/cache/apt/archives/ and 
installed manually with "sudo dpkg -i DEB_PACKAGE_NAME".
The problem is the right sequences of the dependencies installations. I 
started from "libvdpau-dev" and "gstreamer1.0-vaapi-1.8.3". Then with 
Synaptic I see if there are broken files. Consider that my knowledge in 
Linux is zero, unfortuately. AND I don't know if my procedure is right.
I see here in mailing-lists that many user, if not all, "chew" Linux 
very well.


Do you mean that libva-x11 is missing?  If so, see the entire related 
list at the last URL to see all of the packages that are needed.
In my Desktop system there is "libva-x11", or better I see it in folder 
"/usr/lib/x86_64linux-gnu/ ". May be it is not update, or not compatible 
with vaapi.


You can do a "GIT" for any previous version.  How to do this is 
outlined in section 2.1.3 (create an initial clone) and 2.1.4 (build 
from a previous GIT version).  If you have questions about that, just ask.
I mean to build the last release without vaapi or vdpau. And yes, I have 
read that section, thank you.
I know I am wasting your time with these things, and them are due at my 
poor knowledge to Linux system.

Thank you.

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Re: [Cin] New pkgs and tars for this month's release are ready

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi,
I have installed the new 
"cinelerra-5.1-ub16.04-20190430.x86_64-static.txz" release in another 
AMD desktop PC with UbuntuStudio_16.04_LTS.

When I run ./cin by terminal an error "libva.so.1 ..." appear.
I read the "releasenotes.pdf" about, and I understand I have to install 
the libva-dev and libvdpau-dev.
Unfortunately that desktop PC is off-line, so I ask you if there is a 
easy way (workaround) to bypass the problem to use the new Cin release. 
(the prevoius Cin releases works fine, of course).

Thank you.

IgorBeg


Il 01/05/2019 4.09, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:

Latest builds are now available at:

https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/tars/
https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/pkgs/

Cin will NOT START without the system libva-dev (or libva) AND 
libvdpau-dev (or libvdpau) libraries installed.  You will see an error 
message at startup like the following if missing:


error while loading shared libraries: libva.so.1 cannot ...

Release notes are at: 
https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/releasenotes.pdf  or as shown in 
text below.


Cinelerra-GG (Version Infinity)  Release Notes for 
04/01/2019-04/30/2019 for builds


*VIP* -  if you have an error starting Cin, look at the error message 
in the window from where you started Cin.  It might look something 
like this:

 error while loading shared libraries: libva.so.1 cannot  …
You will have to install your Operating System’s libva-dev and 
libvdpau-dev (or libva and libvdpau).

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[Cin] Buttons for Mask tool window

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Mainly for GG (... but also for the others)

I added a file compressed and an animated GIF (photomontage with the 
buttons) to show the layout or an idea of layout.


In the compressed file You find:
1) the "6" buttons for Mask Linear and Smooth, for each theme. They are 
always the first version I have done with the blue line in smooth 
buttons (due at my time).
Sorry Olaf, I did not find your SVG files in Cakewalk theme to derivate 
the new buttons from your original buttons, but the buttons I have done 
have the right colour.


For the SUV theme You find the "3" buttons for the Scale features. Why 
are there six PNGs instead of five?


And, as first version and testing, You find the Presets (7 btns) and 
Positions (2 btns) buttons for only SUV theme.
I hope that these buttons work like Mask Linear/Smooth buttons: every 
button use 4 icons, with three common icons ("mask_button_dn.png", 
"mask_button_hi.png", "mask_button_up.png").

If You (GG) think different, let me know, please.
Sorry Sam, I have changed again a few of them. After some test with SUV 
theme we (all) can decide, I think.



@GG and @Olaf
More, I noticed two things about Neophyte and Cakewalk themes:
A) Neophyte theme >> neophyte.C
- code line 361 ("reset_dn.png") inverted with line 362 ("reset_hi.png")
It should be:
/* ** */
new_button("reset.png",
"reset_up.png",
"reset_hi.png",
"reset_dn.png",
"reset_button");
/* ** */
The PNGs files in theme_neophyte/data/PNGs are right but they are an old 
version.
You can find the new PNGs files for reset button, in the compressed 
file, with the others mask buttons.

(If/When Olaf wants he can update with one of his version)

B) Cakewalk theme >> cakewalk.C
- code line 272 ("reset_dn.png") inverted with line 273 ("reset_hi.png")
I think, the codes should be (for consistency with the others 
codes/themes) like in point A, and in theme_cakewalk/data/ the two PNGs 
files have to be renamed: you have to swap the two names "reset_dn.png" 
with "reset_hi.png".


Thank you so much!
I go to drink something. (too many buttons) ;-)

IgorBeg
(Cin version: "cinelerra-5.1-ub16-x86_64-static_20190711-testing")


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Re: [Cin] Buttons for Mask tool window

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thank you GG for the ub16 build you have done for me.

Unfortunately the Scale mode buttons do not work anymore as designed.
I have tested by myself, after 2 hours of Cin compiling on my poor 
computer, and it works right.
I understand you have changed the background to use them in all the 
themes but it doesn't work.
For me they have to work like checkbox button otherwise I have not the 
checkedHighlight function.
Of course, if/when you restore the Scale buttons like I designed, then I 
will create the other Scale buttons for all the themes.


Also, could you look at the the code in "neophyte.C" about reset button, 
please? Now the reset button doesn't work right.

The right sequences should be:
new_button("reset.png",
"reset_up.png",
"reset_hi.png",
"reset_dn.png",
"reset_button");

Thank you so much!

PS:
Thank you Sam!
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Re: [Cin] Buttons for Mask tool window

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi GG!

About Scale buttons (x, y , xy), now I understand (after another two 
hours of Cin compiling on my "powerful" Notebook, sigh-sigh).

You want to save me from some PNGs. Okay, good idea! And thank you.
Then, 10 PNGs for each theme instead of 18 PNGs, and 3 common PNGs for 
all the themes.

Very good, I think.
I just finished the new Scale PNGs only for SUV theme. I added the 
compressed file. When/if you have time to try. Thanks!

(And now ...pause)  =)

IgorBeg


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Re: [Cin] Buttons for Mask tool window

[Igor BEGHETTO]

@GG
Thanks for the new Cin build (20190715). I saw you have done a lot of 
work, thanks.
Sorry if yesterday I did not thank you about all the works you are doing 
but, among photomontages (PNGs, animated GIF) and new Cin build, I don't 
understand what is true (software) or false (photomontage).
In Cin-20190715 build I see you changed the code for the reset button 
(Clear) in Neophyte and Cakewalk themes but in 
"plugins/theme_cakewalk/data/" is needed to swap the names of the two 
PNGs files: “reset_dn.png” and “reset_hi.png”.
Finally, you are too fast, I need more time to create the buttons of all 
the themes: every theme has its own colours.


@Olaf
Sorry Olaf, I think you will have update your master files. I hope it is 
good for you too.


@Sam
About radio buttons and checkbox buttons in "Select", "Enable", "Presets 
shapes", "Position" I preferred the compacted version (the buttons 
closest one to each other), but with right alignment.


Thank you so much!
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Re: [Cin] some problems - batch rendering warnings and opening project error, steps to have cinelerraGG officially in Gentoo

[Igor BEGHETTO]

I think it doesn't help to add a warning "Your cursor isn't at start of 
project".


Deim, I write a fast/short answer to you. Sorry.
The complete answer about "Batch rendering" is in the Manual:

"To create a Cinelerra project file which can be used in batch render, 
set up a Cinelerra project and define the region to be rendered either 
by highlighting it, setting in/out points around it, or positioning the 
insertion point before it."


IgorBeg


Il 13/08/2019 21.28, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:


some projects had cursor at end.
It may be good to have warning about this - something like "Your
cursor
isn't at start of project".

OK, gg will be adding a warning before the next builds and I will 
include it in the manual too.
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[Cin] Jump and Insert a Auto keyframe by Overlay window

[Igor BEGHETTO]

To jump among keyframes we have the buttons in Main window and the 
shortcuts, but we can not jump among Autos keyframes.
If possible, I would like to suggest something like in my photomontage 
added.
I inserted  three little buttons for each Auto: one for jump backward to 
the next Auto, one for create a new Auto in cursor position and the last 
one for jump forward to the next Auto.
That would only work on Armed tracks, of course: if I press on "create a 
new Auto in cursor position" where a Auto keyframe exist, that Auto 
keyframe is deleted (toggle); and the jump features would work only for 
the Armed tracks, and for its specific Autos like Create (Delete) a new 
Auto.


What do You think about?
Thanks

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Re: [Cin] August new builds are available

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Il 02/09/2019 22.32, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
To the line:  ./configurein your script add to the end   
--disable-dav1d


Thank you so much Phyllis/GG!
With your instruction I can make a build (ub16).
Thanks.

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Re: [Cin] August new builds are available

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Mmpfh!
Sorry, I forgot the log file.

IgorBeg


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Re: [Cin] August new builds are available

[Igor BEGHETTO]

I can not to create a build from source git too.
I think I have the same problem like Olivier and Miroslav.
If possible, can you tell me a workaround to complete the build 
bypassing "dav1d" (if it is the problem), please?

(I don't like to update my Operating System)

I added the log file.
Thanks.

IgorBeg

PS:
Andrea/Andrey (and who contributes), Thank You so much, for you work 
about the Work-In-Progress (WIP) LaTex manual. It is really well done!




Il 02/09/2019 19.03, Olivier Humbert ha scritto:

Le 2019-09-02 18:38, Phyllis Smith a écrit :

Olivier,
You are ahead of me as I am supposed to get this information on
libdav1d compile relayed to builders and added to the manual
somewhere.   I will do that next but the short answer is: you need
nasm at least level 2.13 and you are at 2.11.  GG/Phyllis


Thanks for your quick answer Phyllis.

Looking at here https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nasm and 
being building on Debian Stretch, I'm supposed to be with a 2.12 
version of nasm. Still not enough. I'll try to backport 2.14 and will 
tell you how it goes.


Anyway, thanks for your (very!) quick answer. Much appreciated.
Olivier


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[Cin] Imported sequences in Master Project and the Viewer

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Full title: From the Viewer to the Timeline with the sequences imported 
in a Master Project.


I write here because I think it is not a bug, but may be it is important 
to add it in the Manual.

I would like to know yours opinion/possibility.

Consider you have:
- a subproject with more video and audio tracks, and on the tracks there 
are clips, autos, effects and keyframes.

- a Master Project with clips, autos, effect and keyframes.

1) In the Master Project, import the subproject (sequence) with 
"Insertion strategy= Create new resources only". You can see the 
subproject (sequence) in Resources->Clips (and its full name is the 
absolute path).

2) Drag and Drop the sequence from Clips to the Viewer.
3) Set In and Out Point in the Viewer and, in the Timeline, move the 
cursor position at the end of the tracks (for this example).

4) Click on "Splice (v)" button in the Viewer.
You can see the complete Sequence (autos, effects, keyframes) in the 
Timeline.

5) In the Timeline, move the cursor position at the end of the tracks again.
6) This time, click on "Overwrite (b)" button in the Viewer.
You can see the Sequence in the Timeline, but without its autos, effects 
and keyframe. If in the Timeline there were some autos/effects/keyframe, 
before of the Overwrite operation from the Viewer, they will still be there.


This behaviour occur also with "to Clip" feature, used from Timeline and 
following the steps from point#2.


Note_1:
Remember that if you want put the sequence correctly (with all its 
tracks) in the Master Project you must have the same, or more, number of 
tracks that there are in the original sequence (the original subproject).


About Note_1,
I don't know if it  is possible to implement by code, but could 
cinelerra open a little window with an alert if the tracks in the Master 
Project are less than the tracks in the sequence?
The alert could say something like: "The sequence/clip needs  more 
video track(s) and  more audio track(s) in the Timeline otherwise the 
sequence will be incomplete. Do you want to continue?  ".

Where:
= number of video tracks to add
= number of audio tracks to add

Thanks.

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Re: [Cin] Nested clip and proxy

[Igor BEGHETTO]

BUT I have yet to understand IgorB's feedback on proxy with nesting
Phyllis, surely my terms (folder, path) was wrong there, sorry. I 
rewrite here again.
Usually proxy files of the media (videos, images) are created in the 
directory where the media are.
But the proxy files of the Nested Clips are created in Cinelerra-5.1 
directory.

I hope it clearer now.

You would copy the 60 seconds in a clip, nest the clip in the Clip 
folder of the Resources window and drag it to the timeline. You will 
see only a clean clip without all of the edits that were used to 
create it because nesting performs a render without having to actually 
use the Render menu. Now you can add a Reverse effect, Color3way 
plugin for black and white, and use the Speed auto to get the 60 
seconds down to only 10 seconds.
Mmh, in the sentence "... it because nesting performs a *render* without 
having to actually use the Render menu..." I don't like the *render* 
word because it sound to me like if it create an output rendering, but 
it is not so. It is like a clip.


Sorry, my time is up, today. Thanks.
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Re: [Cin] Imported sequences in Master Project and the Viewer

[Igor BEGHETTO]

I read quickly the doc (usecase_20190917.pdf). It seems to me good.
Of course you have to know the differences between Splice and Overwrite 
feature.

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Re: [Cin] some problems - batch rendering warnings and opening project error, steps to have cinelerraGG officially in Gentoo

[Igor BEGHETTO]

@Deim (and All)
About (sub)Project, Nesting sequences, if you have time, can you try a 
simply test following at screencast, please?

Probably it do not solve your problem, but may be.
"cin20190831_NestingSequencesInAMasterProject"
https://streamable.com/en6d4

@Phyllis/GG (and All)
About nesting sequences and Proxy, can you look at the screencast, please?
"cin20190831_NestingSequencesInAMasterProject_andProxy"
https://streamable.com/3dsbz

Thanks!

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Re: [Cin] Timeline borders

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi!
What do you think a band instead of a line, if possible by code) in the 
even tracks? That line confuses the Autos (Speed, Fade, and so on) lines.
A band with colour a bit lighter respect to black background (for 
example, for SUV theme: rgb=303030, html=#1e1e1e, or more dark) and for 
even tracks. More or less as you see in File Manager (in my OS there is 
Thunar).

I added a picture.

IgorBeg


Il 05/09/2019 7.49, preob...@gmail.com ha scritto:
So much better already! I did a little animation and it seemed to me 
that the dividing line can be extended to the end to the left. Or, are 
the themes responsible for this?


https://pic4a.ru/99/OFU.gif

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Re: [Cin] July monthly builds available now

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Really thank you for your work!
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Re: [Cin] Buttons for Mask tool window

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi GG/Phyllis,
Thanks for the last build Jul 18 2019.
I saw that in Cin-20190718 there are not the buttons I have done for all 
the themes. You find them in 
"MaskTool_point-prst-pstn-scale_btns.tar.gz" and you must overwrite all 
the old PNGs (it wrote in the previous mail).

Is there any problem?
Let me know, please.

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Re: [Cin] Latex and Manual

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi Andrey!
Okay. I thought You wanted the PNGs file for the illustrations.
Here the PDFs.

@Phyllis
Thanks!


compositing_pipeline-masks.pdf
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Re: [Cin] IgorB demo on mask and shared tracks

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thank you Andrea_paz!
And thanks to ask me about.
You can do what you want with my quickly (and ugly) screencast but 
consider that there are not subtitles and out of context (the Olaf's 
sentences) an user may not understand, I think.


IgorBeg


Il 16/06/2019 9.22, Andrea paz ha scritto:

Hi, IgorB.
I found your shared track mask demo very instructive (as usual) and
would like your permission to upload it to the HowTo forum.

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Re: [Cin] New build tars and packages are available

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi!
To thanks all of you for the great work on the program, site and manual, 
I would like to share with you, my Shapes for the Transition ShapeWipe.

You can see the Tutorial/Demo "vidtut_TransitionShapeWipe.ogg" at
https://streamable.com/8k7cs
You can download a compressed file with the shapes from
www.visi1.org/temp/TransitionShapeWipe-shapes.tar.gz
Inside you find the PNGs shapes for the Transition ShapeWipe.
There are two PNGs for every shapes: Tr-0540 and Tr-1080.
The 0540 means 540x540 px size and the 1080 means 1080x1080 px size.
You can use 1080 for UHD-FHD and 0540 for HD-SD video.
You have to copy them from uncompressed "TransitionShapeWipe-shapes" and 
paste to "cinelerra-5.1/plugins/shapes/"


If you want all  the shapes are yours, like my video Tutorial/Demo (no 
attribution, no copyright).


Thanks for all your great work.

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Re: [Cin] What is in today's GIT checkin

[Igor BEGHETTO]

I tested it on Ub16 with your testing build. I think it works fine. I 
don't see any conflict with other features/functions (for example, I 
tried it with the Mask tool enabled).

Thanks.

IgorBeg


Il 14/11/2019 4.47, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
- Finished up last known issue with Mantis BT #237 where the boundary 
line might block some pixels of the still image video.
- While working on this, GG discovered that moving the image and 
zooming the image *in the Compositor* needed to be enhanced for ease 
of use.  We believe that all previous zooming methods work as they 
did.  I will have to update the shortcuts yet, but basically to use:


 1) to zoom in and out, use the middle mouse wheel /when not in 
protect mode/ (the topmost left side icon)

 2) to move the image, press down the middle mouse wheel and drag
 3) shift + press middle mouse button, returns to Auto zoom
 4) whenever part of the video is moved off of the screen, the 
corresponding scroll bars appear for easy moving

And what I think is the best part !
 5) when you go to full screen mode, you can now use the middle 
mouse wheel the same way as in #1 and #2


More testing is needed and if anyone has the time, 2 builds are 
available at:

https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-mint18-x86_64-static.txz
https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-ub16-x86_64-static.txz


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[Cin] Slow Motion with high frame rate video

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi all!
First. Excuse me if I write here and not in the Forum.
Second. If it can help somebody... take a look, please (even though many 
users know how to do that).

"vidtut_SlowMotionWithHighFpsVideoSource.webm"
https://streamable.com/7kon3

IgorBeg

PS:
Andrea_paz (and all), as usually it is your. Thanks. ;-)
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Re: [Cin] installing Cin

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi Douglas (and Sergio)!
In add what Sergio wrote, you can use the standalone versione 
(single-user build). I always use that.

Take a look at the link below, please.
https://streamable.com/p3i69

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Re: [Cin] Slow Motion with high frame rate video

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Il 10/12/2019 10.44, Haldun ALTAN ha scritto:

That's excellent Igor :))
Thank you
Haldun

Thank you, Haldun!

And thank you, Andrea_paz, for the extra work you do for me! I should 
come to the Forum. Sorry.


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[Cin] Request: Sketcher plugin and Antialiasing

[Igor BEGHETTO]

If others users/developers agree with me, I would like to have the 
antialiasing option for the Sketcher plugin, if it is possible. It would 
be useful when a curve is drawn.

Thanks.

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Re: [Cin] Request: Sketcher plugin and Antialiasing

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thank you Phyllis/GG, and Andrea
Phyllis, do you think that antialiasing will be possible to implement?
Thanks.

IgorBeg


Il 15/12/2019 2.08, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
Updating Sketcher is on the agenda near term.  Hopefully nothing will 
come up that changes the current plans in this order:

1) finishing HV 7.2 merge of mods
2) Transcode fixes of BT 346 and 350
3) Zoom improvements when go to/from full screen
4) then Sketcher is planned

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Re: [Cin] Forum Video Tutorials

[Igor BEGHETTO]

@Andrea_paz
You know, my demos are yours (of the community). I can repay you (all) 
for your work just like that.


@All
In the spare time, I am working on some demos about Cinelerra-GG for my 
memory with the same Intro e music (and not to forget the steps to do 
some things). So, if you want, I could give them to you, as well as I 
will put in my own site.
The resolution of my videos is 1280x768. I know that it would be better 
almost FHD (1920x1080) for people like you (all) that have UHD screen 
but,... sorry. :-)


I think my demos are really ugly for the format and the kind of 
subtitles (directly in screencast). Then, if other user can do them, 
maybe it is better?


PS:
I think that the solution made by LWKS site is good. Take a look please.
https://www.lwks.com/index.php?option=com_content=article=162=246=QuickStart 



The videos may not be linked to YouTube but directly inside the 
Cinelerra-GG site with the "poster" ( a representative frame)?


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Re: [Cin] Forum Video Tutorials

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Those you have done so far are comfortable, clear and instructive.

Thanks Andrea_paz.

@All
When I will finish some basic VideoTutorial/HowTo (soon, I hope), I will 
show/send them.
However, on Youtube there are a lot of them and well done like yours, 
Andrea_paz.
Unfortunately or fortunately, depend by point of view, Cinelerra-GG 
changes fast, and could be that you (and me) create a VideoTutorial that 
will become obsolete in a few weeks/months.


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Re: [Cin] Shape Wipe Transitions and GIT checkin

[Igor BEGHETTO]

GG/Phyllis, You are too fast for me. =)
I thought that someone (Sam, Andrea, Olaf, Andrey, and others) replied 
with an refinement at my photomontage.

Thanks for the new layout.
If You agree with me, is it possible to do a little refinement about 
alignment?
I added a GIF animated for the lines. It seems better of the prevoius 
version.

I am sorry for that, but sometime further changes are needed.

Thank you so much (and for the build)!

IgorBeg


Il 07/10/2019 1.59, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
Thanks for the photomontage.  That makes it real easy for GG to 
implement.  He added the textbox and clear button and used your 
suggested "mask-like" layout.


When there is a slider, I think would be fine to have a textbox
and its
Clear button to clear the slider. So I have done two quickly
photomontage, a simply and another inhereited by Mask tool.

A Ubuntu16 build is at:
https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-ub16-x86_64-static.txz
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Re: [Cin] Website

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thanks Sam for your work.

IgorBeg


Il 08/10/2019 16.17, Sam ha scritto:

Hi guys,

Unfortunately an update of some WordPress plugins affected the main 
template and the appearance of the website. Two plugins influence each 
other, so this error occurs again and again. I opened a ticket at one 
of the plugin developers and wait for them to release a fix. The 
translated websites have been temporarily disabled, but will be 
unlocked as soon as the bug has been fixed. I regret the inconvenience 
and hope the website will be fully usable again soon. The other 
services are all up to date and running flawlessly.


Sam


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Re: [Cin] Problem with transitioning

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi Quinton!
I write here and in Mantis BT-312 
https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/bugtracker/view.php?id=312.
If you want, you can see my workaround 
"TransitionAndDifferentsEditsEffects.ogg" at

https://streamable.com/zodw5
Thanks.

IgorBeg


Il 01/10/2019 16.15, d quinton ha scritto:
I notice a problem with transitioning between two edits when an effect 
is placed on either of them,


when transitioning between edit A and edit B, with an effect placed on 
Edit A (such as colour correction), as the transition hits Edit B the 
effect placed on Edit A is suddenly removed and the end part of Edit A 
is seen without the effect, so that it reverts to its raw colours 
which is quite noticeable.


Perhaps the answer is moving Edit B onto a new track? does the 
transition still work?  I have to test it yet


Quinton


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Re: [Cin] New build tars and packages are available

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thanks, Andrea and Phyllis, for the compliments.

GG/Phyllis wrote:

The transition wipe shapes are being added to CinelerraGG

Thank you for that.

GG says because it is resampled we don't need both 540 and 1080 so he 
will add only the 1080's
Yes it is resampled, but by my tests on my poor PC, 540 works faster 
than 1080:
for a 29.97 fps project, the MIN fps achieved with "Tr-1080_Butterfly" 
is 22fps, while with "Tr-540_Butterfly" is 28fps. So, in some projects I 
can use the 540 instead of 1080 to save cpu. Probably in your computer 
you can not see that difference.


Andrea_paz wrote:

Can I post the video page in the forum section: "Look at me"?

Thanks Andrea for asking, but I prefer not now.

The Camera and Projector Tools in the Compositor now have F11/Shift 
F11 and F12/Shift F12 hooked into the gui menu and with tooltips for 
easy access.
..., but the camera/projector tool window is not very nice. I would 
suggest to increase the size and reposition the buttons in a better way. 

I agree with you. A different layout/icons is needed there, for me.

Thanks!

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Re: [Cin] Shape Wipe Transitions and GIT checkin

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Il 06/10/2019 3.12, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
GG did a lot of rework on the Shape Wipe Transitions code.  He added 
the 25 1080 versions; fixed a couple of bugs; added a Feather slider 
(based on exponential values); and built in parallel processing 
instead of single threading.

Really thanks!
I agree with you, Phyllis; now, 1080 works like 0540 and it is very 
fast! Thanks GG!


Question: is Feather like Anti-aliasing when the position's slider is to 
the left edge? It seems a bit different.


If I can add one thing.
When there is a slider, I think would be fine to have a textbox and its 
Clear button to clear the slider. So I have done two quickly 
photomontage, a simply and another inheredited by Mask tool.
If You and other Users agree with me it could be a possible, little, 
improvement for the GUI, I think. It is only an idea, of course.


Thanks!
(And, thanks Andrea)

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Re: [Cin] Shape Wipe Transitions and GIT checkin

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thanks WP!

IgorBeg

Il 10/10/2019 12.08, W P ha scritto:

I am in lurking-mode since a while but I always follow the ml and the project, 
I just wanted to say great job for the beautiful transitions! CinGG really 
needed them!

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Re: [Cin] Shape Wipe Transitions and GIT checkin

[Igor BEGHETTO]

GG/Phyllis, Thank you so much!

Il 13/10/2019 2.40, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
For consistency, the Wipe and Direction of the ShapeWipe window start 
at the same location as Preset Shapes in the Mask window does now with 
the latest GIT checkin. (...)This mod is in the latest test build 
available for Ubuntu16 also.  gg/Phyllis

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Re: [Cin] Nested clip and proxy

[Igor BEGHETTO]

I did a build by git (2020-01-20) and I see that. Like you, for me it is 
good.

Thank you so much!

IgorBeg

Il 20/01/2020 5.36, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:

IgorB: gg has moved the Flags as you suggested -- I think it looks better.



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Re: [Cin] New builds ready

[Igor BEGHETTO]

At GG and all of you are doing the Manual,
Thank you so much!

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Re: [Cin] Nested clip and proxy

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thanks Phyllis and GG.
For the Nesting and Open_EDLI I will wait for a consolidate version. It 
is very time consuming to learn a workflow and then to change it again.
Every time GG make a change in software it is a great time consuming 
also for who have to update the Manual, I think. Same think for who have 
(would like) to do a video tutorial.

I like cinelerra-gg but I am not a fun of the rolling release.
I would like a release where users have more time to test in depth; 
usually this pre-release is called candidate release (all of you know).
So the Manual,and the video tutorial, has a few of time to reflect the 
software.
Of course, even though  a "stable" release is out, there would always be 
the rolling release (month release).


I am still trying to find the icons you supplied awhile back that 
replace the hand drawn ones used in the Load files menu.  At the time 
I was too far behind, but now I would like to see if gg can use them.

Okay. I added a "tar.gz" file for that.

IgorBeg

PS:
The new "Charlie" is with me.


SUV_loadfile-expandpatch-mixpatch_icons.tar.gz
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Re: [Cin] Nested clip and proxy

[Igor BEGHETTO]

I think that GG's rearrange of the Appearance tab has been a good idea.
I saw the alignment with the "Color" above, but Warnings + Flags are in 
three columns. My suggestion is only an idea.


IgorBeg


Il 19/01/2020 18.53, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:


About Appearance tab, what do You think move the word "Flag:" as
showed
on my picture added?

The Appearance tab was getting too big and recently gg had to add 
another Warning checkbox so that is why it changed.  I will see what 
he thinks about moving Flags -- to me your suggestion looks better -- 
he lined up Flags with the word Color above.

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Re: [Cin] Nested clip and proxy

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Really, really, very well!
Thank you so much.

And I saw that the Layout on Preference-> Appearance  menu is changed. 
Good for me.


IgorBeg


Il 18/01/2020 22.54, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
IgorB: I forgot to mention that the bug described below is also fixed 
in the latest test builds.  The created nested clips will now  be 
saved in $HOME/Videos but you can change that in 
Settings->Preferences, Interface tab, "Nested Proxy Path".  The old 
methodology of placing the nested files in the cinelerra directory 
(folder) was an unintended accident and leads to it being easily 
deleted every month when downloading a new build.  As expected, fixing 
this bug means you should now be able to save a project while proxied!


Proxies are created in Cinelerra folder (where there is "cin"
file) 


This is a BUG ! (by Cinelerra folder, this means the Linux O/S
cinelerra directory where the binary file is).  It should be in
the same directory as the original media and not here because it
will not get easily deleted.

Before saving your project, pay attention to disable Proxy
feature.
You MUST SAVE your PROJECT with PROXY DISABLED otherwise you
lose the
link to the clips (more or less).

I just bet that this is related to the above BUG and I have
informed gg and when the bug is fixed will check to see if this
solves this problem also.  Losing link to the clips is only
referring to nested clips, not regular clips as far as I can tell.

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Re: [Cin] Nested clip and proxy

[Igor BEGHETTO]

And I saw that the Layout on Preference-> Appearance  menu is changed. 
Good for me.


About Appearance tab, what do You think move the word "Flag:" as showed 
on my picture added?

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Re: [Cin] 3 request

[Igor BEGHETTO]

I add here, and long time ago I wrote in CinCV_MailingLists (September 
10, 2018).
It is not relative to how an User create User Bins/Folders inside 
Cinelerra's Resources but how you organize/manage your directories, with 
your media, for the Project.


Quote:
I would like something like below (but I have already written it, sorry):
/*  */
(Structure in /home/Projects/)
\_Folder_Proj_01
   - File_abc_cinPrj.xml
   \_Video
   \_Sound
   \_Images
   \_ ...
/*  */
In "Scribus" (publishing software) I work so. "Scribus" does relative 
path if the files are in the same directory or in its subdirectory, else 
absolute path.



I don't like "flat" structure for my projects. When I have move a 
Project to another Computer to create the final Render on that faster 
computer, for example, I have to edit the xml file project and with 
"Search and replace" option, I change the path of the User Name 
directory. So I can use the same structure of the directories/folders of 
my project on an other PC.


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Re: [Cin] Thinking about replacing Insertion Strategy "Nest sequence" with ...

[Igor BEGHETTO]

I do not use that option. May be (sure?) I use a different workflow than 
other Users.


In short time, my usually workflow (more or less).
1) Create an empty Project with format, size, frame rate and so on.
*2) Load the video with File-> Load menu or RMB on Resources window AND 
select "Create new resources only" from "Insertion strategy".*

3) Use Nest option (if needed)
4) Drag and Drop (or Double click) from Resources to Viewer.
5) First quick cut with In and Out on the Viewer
6) Splice(V) or Overwrite(B) by the Viewer
7) Repeat from #4 point for the Clips/Media/Nested
8) Some Cuts and adjustment in the Timeline with Ripple, Rolling and Slip
9) Work on effects
10) Work on color correction


Il 02/01/2020 5.53, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
It is hard to use and I would like to know if anyone is using the 
"Load files" insertion strategy of "Nest sequence".  We would like to 
replace it with "File by Referernce" for BT # 318.  Since you can use 
the nesting feature instead, it seems to be unnecessary.  If there is 
a definite need to keep it because it is actually being used, please 
reply.   gg/phyllis

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Re: [Cin] New tars and pkgs ready to download

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thank you so much for all your work.
Unfortunately, I am still searching on a good "Charlie" Notebook 
substitute) ;-)


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Re: [Cin] Merry Xmas!

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Phyllis/GG wrote:
we were hoping you got a replacement for "Charlie" for Christmas, but 
from today's email, I guess not.  But since most likely your 
replacement will be an upgrade, Bill and I decided that its name 
should be "Charlene".

Aahahahah. You and Bill made me cry with laughter.
"Charlene" is really a good name. I like it and would be a fantastic 
name for the next Notebook.


Unfortunately, I think that will have to use "Charlie" again. I I don't 
want to open all my ".xml" Project files with a text editor and change 
the path. Usually I do not use "flat" structure for a project.


Guys, your are funny. (the day start with a smile)
Thanks.

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Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Igor BEGHETTO]

+1

Il 25/12/2019 6.38, Andrew Randrianasulu ha scritto:

В сообщении от Wednesday 25 December 2019 07:59:05 Phyllis Smith написал(а):

Wow, this is interesting feature, will try to play with it later

Thanks, Phyllis, for your tireless work on documenting/testing all those 
features, and GG for implementing them!



With the latest checkin, you can now edit EDL that is included with your
project as Clips, Nested Clips, or Xml.  For example, if you have a nested
clip that originally had several plugins added to it before it was nested,
you can edit those plugin parameter values.  Previously to make any changes
to these EDL clips/nested clips, you had to remake the whole clip from
scratch.  This is done via "Open EDL" and button click as described below
by the .

In addition a couple of modifications related to this are noticeable to
include the following:
   - in the Clip folder, when you Nest a clip, the wording which was "Nest"
is now "Nest to Media"
   - in the Clip folder, when you actually perform "Nest to Media", the
nested clip is only displayed in the Media folder

for example:
1) load some test media, mode replace project
2) highlight a selection and press create clip.  add notes and press ok.
clip is created
3) in resources window, open the clip folder.  clip1 is present
4) select clip1 and right mouse the item.  select menu item Open EDL
5) timeline changes to just the clip content.
6) add a visible effect, like burning tv and press the [1] in the main menu
bar.
7) timeline is restored to original media.
8) drag the clip from the resources folder to the timeline.  The effect is
visible.

 - in the Clip folder, there is a new option to "Open EDL" for the
highlighted clip.  When you choose this option, the clip will be brought up
on the timeline.  *VERY IMPORTANT to note*, the previous timeline EDL is
"pushed onto a stack" (this is programmer talk) so it is remembered and to
get back to that you have to "pop the stack" (more programmer talk) by
clicking on the button in the upper right hand corner of the timeline above
where the Proxy switch button would be.  Usually this button will read 1 if
you choose "Open EDL" and then 0 when back to your original timeline.  You
can go several levels deep so instead of 1, it could be 2, 3, ... but I got
to tell you that you can get lost if you overdo it.  Once the clip is open
on the timeline, you can edit it however you want.

   - in the Media folder, once you have nested a clip, the Nested clip will
be located here
   - in the Media folder, the option to unnest the clip is now called "EDL
to clip" which results in the nested clip being reverted to a clip and back
into the clip folder with only a name of "Clip #".  The nested clip is also
still in the Media folder.
   - in the Media folder, you now have the new option to "Open EDL" as
described for clips above.  But in this case when you Open EDL and edit the
changes, those changes will take affect on any and all occurrences of that
nested clip on the timeline.

I will make a demo later.  There are Debian 9/10 static tars that contain
this and other mods in the Download / Documentation / File Storage at
cinelerra-gg.org.  Would be happy to make static tars for any other usual
distro/version if you would like to test early.




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[Cin] Merry Xmas!

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Everyone You are, Merry Christmas!

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Re: [Cin] Request: Sketcher plugin and Antialiasing

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Wow! I have seen the demo. Very good.
I would change the Off, On, Dbl labels to Off, AA, AA+
AA means AntiAliasing.
Or, like in other pull down menu:
AA (with a strike line on it)
AA
AA+

And, if possible, an hint when you are over it (Antialiasing).

I would like to test it, and the new nesting feature, on a 
Ubuntu16.04-LiveDVD next days.

If you can make a build for me, I thank you.
(waiting for another, used, Notebook, I will test on an old Desktop PC)

IgorBeg


Il 25/12/2019 5.10, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
Anti-aliasing has been added to the Sketcher in the latest GIT 
checkin.  A rough demo is at:


https://streamable.com/ikncr

If anyone wants a static build to test, just let us know which distro 
and version.  It is no trouble to create a build and testing would be 
appreciated.  Soon there will be a Debian 9 and 10 static tar at: 
https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing


I agree and possibly would also like to implement presets of
shapes,rotations and scaling (as in the mask tool).

Rotating and Scaling will be worked on (but not tomorrow on Christmas 
day). An attempt to add presets of shapes ended as a complete disaster 
as an attempt to port Mask presets was a totally different design.  
Decision was made to not add shapes because to make a 
square/rectangle/triangle and even a circle is trivial with just 3, 4, 
or 5 points (for a circle you just make a box using Line and then 
switch to Curve) while the programming time would be days.
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Re: [Cin] Request: Sketcher plugin and Antialiasing

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thanks Phyllis/GG for the Ub16_20191230 build. Unfortunately it is too 
late to test better for the mounth release, in my case.

Like Andrea quick test, here on UbuntuStudio_16.04 on a temporary Computer.
However,...
- Sketcher plugin:
Phyllis wrote: "GG added Anti-Alias as a tooltip"
For me would be better Antialiasing or AntiAlising or Anti-Aliasing. 
Alias means another thing, like different names for the same person.
Off-On-Dbl option. Do you means Double for Dbl? Maybe, they would sound 
user friendly Off-Normal-Fine.

Antialisiasing works very well. Thanks
I saw the Wheel function for rotate. Very good, Thanks.

Andrea_paz wrote: "it seems to me that the automatic keyframes don't 
work and the tooltip Anti-Alias doesn't work."
In UbuntuStudio16.04 it works right. Tooltip is showed when the mouse 
pointer is over, and the keyframes work when the "automatic keyframes" 
icon is enabled in Program window.



- Color Picker:
Default button is missed.
I don't remember where and who but somebody have reported that issue.

Next days, and then next new year, I will try the new Nested and 
Open_EDL feature.

Thank you so much for your work.

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Re: [Cin] Request: Sketcher plugin and Antialiasing

[Igor BEGHETTO]

*Need HELP on this:*

 - Color Picker:
Default button is missed.
I don't remember where and who but somebody have reported that issue.


Yes, preobraz/ugin reported this BUT we are confused and do not see 
the problem.  Can anyone show how it used to work versus how it now 
works incorrectly?
In Timeline, RMB on an edit, choose "Bar Color..." option and near the X 
(cancel) icon should be there the Default button.

Picture added to show, before and after.

Yes, Dbl means Double.  The reason it is Double and not Fine is 
because it is a Double line -- some people will not like that even 
though it looks better to me, instead of 1 pixel width, it is 2.
Ooh, Okay. I thought it were a kind of reFinement in the antialiasing 
algorithm (and maybe it is).


Thanks for change to "Anti-Aliasing" in the tooltip.
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Re: [Cin] Request: Sketcher plugin and Antialiasing

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Sorry for the late, Phyllis. GG and you had already seen where it was.

IgorBeg

Il 30/12/2019 18.54, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
Thanks, IgorB for corroborating.  gg just added a fix here locally 
just in time to make the builds.


In Timeline, RMB on an edit, choose "Bar Color..." option and near
the X
(cancel) icon should be there the Default button.
Picture added to show, before and after.


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Re: [Cin] New feature. Is it real?

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I propose to consider the concept of new functionality. To improve the 
usability, it is useful to have constant access to all project 
resources in the viewing window. You can implement this using the tabs.
Example: https://pic4a.ru/912/qba.gif 


Sorry, Ugin, I don't like your idea.
I think that "Inter-View Mode" is really useful for that.
Do you know the "InterView Mode" features?
You can find it in the CinelerraGG_manual (April 2019) 6.6 section,
https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/CinelerraGG_manual.pdf
or in the CinelerraGG_manual_WorkInProgress (November 2019) 5.6 section,
https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/CinelerraGG_manual_WIP.pdf

There were some sceencasts to show you, made by Phyllis and Sam (I 
think), but I don't remember where they are.


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Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Igor BEGHETTO]

I always use Nesting feature, for more complex projects, like showed in 
the my old screencasts.

https://lists.cinelerra-gg.org/pipermail/cin/2019-September/001051.html

And in the CinelerraGG_manual_WorkInProgress (well done) in 5.7.8 
section you can find more information.

https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/CinelerraGG_manual_WIP.pdf

Yes, if you update one, or more Sequences, the Master Project is not 
update with the last changes that you had done on them, but you can 
re-load the updated Sequences and overwrite them in the Timeline if you 
work with method. (And I use, or better, I  used also Proxy with Nested)

I am speaking about, before the last changes; I only saw the Phyllis' Demo.

IgorBeg


Il 28/12/2019 8.52, Haldun ALTAN ha scritto:


Hello,

I don't know if i get this right or wrong but i already worked with 
several timelines in cinelerra.


They were, in your exemple, "intro", "part 1", "part 2", "credits" and 
each of it in was in a seperate project that you could put together by 
only copy and paste, from one project to another.


Is the différence is they are now in the same project ?

Haldun.

Le 28/12/2019 à 00:41, Sam a écrit :


One of the greatest strengths of commercial NLEs is the ability to 
work with multiple timelines.


Why work with multiple timelines?

A movie project can be divided into several sections such as intro, 
main part 1, main part 2 and credits.


From this I make four timelines called Intro, Part 1, Part 2, Credits.

This splits the whole movie project into four parts and allows faster 
working in the main window, because not the whole movie project is 
loaded in the main window, but only a quarter of the movie. This 
speeds up the work a lot and allows other contributors to work on 
different parts of a film project and finally add them together and 
make an overall coordination.


When the intro, main part 1, main part 2 and the credits are 
finished, these timelines are joined together to form an overall 
timeline.


A new timeline called Composition is created and Timeline Intro, 
Timeline Part 1, Timeline Part 2 and Timeline Credits are dragged 
into it.


Basically this feature is an extension of the EDL feature.

I created the photomontage very fast and therefore they have a lot of 
potential for improvement. The final solution can of course look 
completely different, the pictures only serve to illustrate my idea.


Sam

On 26.12.19 03:12, Phyllis Smith wrote:
Never hurts to make suggestions -- sometimes things get done when an 
unexpected need arises here.


On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 5:36 PM Sam > wrote:


Absolutely fantastic! I have been wishing for this feature for
so long, but due to his long wish list I did not dare to say.
This feature is the basis for several timelines. I miss the
timeline feature in Cinelerra for a long time. If you agree, I
would like to make some suggestions on this topic for January.
This EDL feature can be extended relatively easily in my opinion.

Sam

On 25.12.19 05:59, Phyllis Smith wrote:

With the latest checkin, you can now edit EDL that is included
with your project as Clips, Nested Clips, or Xml.  For example,
if you have a nested clip that originally had several plugins
added to it before it was nested, you can edit those plugin
parameter values.  Previously to make any changes to these EDL
clips/nested clips, you had to remake the whole clip from
scratch.  This is done via "Open EDL" and button click as
described below by the .

In addition a couple of modifications related to this are
noticeable to include the following:
  - in the Clip folder, when you Nest a clip, the wording which
was "Nest" is now "Nest to Media"
  - in the Clip folder, when you actually perform "Nest to
Media", the nested clip is only displayed in the Media folder

for example:
1) load some test media, mode replace project
2) highlight a selection and press create clip.  add notes and
press ok.  clip is created
3) in resources window, open the clip folder.  clip1 is present
4) select clip1 and right mouse the item.  select menu item
Open EDL
5) timeline changes to just the clip content.
6) add a visible effect, like burning tv and press the [1] in
the main menu bar.
7) timeline is restored to original media.
8) drag the clip from the resources folder to the timeline. 
The effect is visible.


 - in the Clip folder, there is a new option to "Open EDL"
for the highlighted clip.  When you choose this option, the
clip will be brought up on the timeline. *VERY IMPORTANT to
note*, the previous timeline EDL is "pushed onto a stack" (this
is programmer talk) so it is remembered and to get back to that
you have to "pop the stack" (more programmer talk) by clicking
on the button in the upper right hand corner of the timeline
above where the Proxy 

Re: [Cin] Clips/Nested clips/Xml - new feature - best thing since sliced bread!

[Igor BEGHETTO]

What Sam wrote about "ability to work with multiple timelines", seems to 
me it is implemented in the new, last, features; or I wrong?
Sorry, but I have not tested it, for my computer problems. I only see 
the Phyllis' screencast.



Watching again the Phyllis' screencast https://streamable.com/3k6wl I 
don't see the Title of the Project in the Program window, then I try to 
guess.
When you click on "Open EDL" option, does the Title of the Program 
window change

from "Cinelerra: nameOfMaster"
to "Cinelerra: nameOfNested :: nameOfMaster"
or "Cinelerra: nameOfNested > nameOfMaster"
for example?

So, an User can see on which Nested project He/She are working.

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Re: [Cin] shortcut for going trough keyframes

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Hi!
I think, if possible, to use the same shortcuts of the Plugin's 
keyframes because they are always keyframes, for me.


Thanks

IgorBeg

Il 03/03/2020 1.30, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:


I also noticed when I set fader keyframe I can't return to the
same position again.

 Here is how to do this.  Mouse directly over the fader auto until the 
pointer cursor is stopped and stable as a pointer cursor (not a 
hairline).  Then simply press and release the middle mouse button 
without moving.  Now you will be exactly on the fader auto.



I sometimes want to walk through keyframes - in last situation I
used video and audio faders .

We are going to "attempt" to add code to use a shortcut of Alt-a for 
next fader/speed/autos and Ctrl-a for previous auto.  This should come 
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[Cin] Shortcuts

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Hi!

*IMPORTANT: the shortcut for “Delete last track” has been changed* 
from the lower case letter “d”
to Ctrl-Shift-D. Having just “d” was somewhat dangerous per Dan 
(Quinton?) because off screen.
A “format” option button for ffmpeg in the Render menu shows up when 
you click on the Video
wrench icon. This provides a few more tuning operators for the render 
for choices like mp4.
I think that the shorcuts are useful for the most/frequently used 
operation/action. Cinelerra have some shortcuts where, I think, you can 
do without them: for example in File Menu there are "BD Render..." 
(Ctrl+D) and "DVD Render" (Alt+D).
I think it would be better to assign Ctrl+D shortcut for "Delete last 
track" instead of Ctrl+Shif+D.
So, more intuitive, you have Shift+D to "Delete First track", and Ctrl+D 
to "Delete Last track": Shift is the key up (then first), and Ctrl is 
the key down (then last) in the keyboard.



About "shortcut for going trough *Autos* keyframes" thread.
We are going to "attempt" to add code to use a shortcut of Alt-a for 
next fader/speed/autos and Ctrl-a for previous auto. This should come 
in handy.
I think, if possible, to use the same shortcuts of the Plugin's 
keyframes because they are always keyframes, for me.


Thanks

IgorBeg




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Re: [Cin] Shortcuts

[Igor BEGHETTO]

GG and Andrew, thank you so much!
I hadn't written that my Operating System is Ubuntu 16.04, sorry.
I followed GG's instruction, installing "libtool" by synaptic and now it 
works. GG, thanks thanks thanks.


IgorBeg


Il 08/03/2020 16.21, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:

Igor: (Andrew said it)
Recently, some of the distros have stopped putting libtool in as a 
part of the development group components for installs.
If libtool is not installed on your machine, install it and see fi the 
problem is affected.


apt install libtool

gg


On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 7:49 AM Igor BEGHETTO <mailto:igor...@visi1.org>> wrote:



> I think it would be better to assign Ctrl+D shortcut for "Delete
last
> track" instead of Ctrl+Shif+D. So, more intuitive, you have
Shift+D to
> "Delete First track", and Ctrl+D to "Delete Last track": Shift
is the
> key up (then first), and Ctrl is the key down (then last) in the
> keyboard.
>> I will see about changing this as you suggested.  It would be
better.
Thanks to take it in consideration.

About Shortcuts in general.
I understand you (Phyllis), and I know that it is not easy to
change the
consolidate Shortcuts used from old cinelerra's users but it would be
good if CinelerraGG would use some shortcuts like others NLE (Adobe
Premiere, Lightworks, Kdenlive. Sam and Olaf know for AVID and
DaVinciResolve, I think). "J-K-L" for
PlayBackward-Stop-PlayForward, "i"
& "o" for InPoint and OutPoint are standard shortcut.So, new users
would
be incentivated to change (or less) their NLE.
Another example may be, navigate between Labels (Ctrl) or Keyframes
(Shift) or Edits (Alt) with the LeftArrow and RightArrow because
it is
more intuitive, I think.
If you want I can do a lists for my preferences shortcuts but you
already know. ;-)
Thanks.

IgorBeg


PS:
I am not able to compile CinelerraGG since 2020029 version. Can
You help
me, please?
I added the compressed log file.
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Re: [Cin] shortcut for going trough keyframes

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Sorry Phyllis, I replied in the "Shortcuts" thread. Thanks


Il 07/03/2020 15.46, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:

Hi, Igor,

I "almost" agree with you but then I started using it and decided that 
maybe most people would want them separated because with some plugins 
you can have many, many keyframes and then it takes forever to get to 
an auto marker.  We added Alt-a and Ctrl-Alt-a for Next auto and 
Previous keyframe.  I guess the auto markers are really keyframes and 
are called that in many places.

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Re: [Cin] How do I crop a picture-in-picture?

[Igor BEGHETTO]

RafaMar, Thanks.

PS:
"I love the Fantastic Sam's Cinelerra-GG Intro,... I *will put* in the 
Cinelerra-gg home page" is wrong. Sorry.

I want to write: ...I *would put* on the Cinelerra-gg home page.

IgorBeg


Il 18/04/2020 10.52, Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux ha scritto:
@IgorBeg I loved your videos and your website in general. I saved it 
in my browser favorites, in the "Treasures hidden by the network" folder
I think it would be very good for Cinelerra GG to put these videos, 
which do not need to be explained, beyond a title, to make it easier 
for people to learn to get the most out of this great NLE
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Re: [Cin] How do I crop a picture-in-picture?

[Igor BEGHETTO]

OFF TOPIC
PhyllisSmith wrote:
"If IgorBeg allows me to I would like to reference this in the 
Settings->Preferences, About message area?"


My Tutorials page for Cinelerra-GG is only a (ugly) collection of 
videos, for friends, community and so on. The page is "hide" for 
spamming and other. =)
On Youtube there are many good tutorials made by Andrea_Paz, 
ChipperVideos, RafaMar, Tutordidi and ... others.
...And I love the Fantastic Sam's Cinelerra-GG Intro,... I will put in 
the Cinelerra-gg home page.


Phyllis if you think it can be useful, feel free to link my Cinelerra-gg 
tutorials. Thanks.
Otherwise, if somebody will create an Official Cinelerra-GG youtube 
channel, You can download my tutorials and upload them there together to 
the others, if You want.
My Tutorials are for the community because GG/Phyllis give me a really 
good NLE, free to pay, no registration, and with great support.

Thanks Phyllis/GG (and community)

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Re: [Cin] Cinelerra's error very serious.

[Igor BEGHETTO]

@RafaMar
I am so sorry for that.

IgorBeg

Il 20/04/2020 22.52, Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux ha scritto:
Very excited about Cinelerra, today I wanted to make a silent short 
video, as an example, to upload to the YouTube channel.


I made a very meticulous desktop recording, with the goal that without 
saying a word, anyone can understand a simple process, such as 
changing the speed to a clip. I know this is as easy for you as 
scratching a ear. But for people who start they need someone to teach 
them. It is a question that several readers have asked me.


As usual, in me, create a new project, and as is also usual for me 
when loading the files, I forgot to put the selector in "Create new 
resources only" I had it in "Replace current project" and when loading 
the 3 clips that I wanted to use for this video, this they have been 
loaded on three different tracks.


Nothing happens, I pressed z and started again. I have uploaded the 
files, selecting the correct option.


I made the montage when it was almost finished, after adjusting a 
clip, Cinelerra has blocked, it did not respond. I had not saved the 
job, and I had to close Cinelerra, kill the application from the 
system monitor.


When I reopened Cinelerra I went quickly to file, load backup, and 
well, there was my project, more or less as I had it before the crash.


So far so good... from here very bad

I hastened to save in case the lock happened again... and here comes 
the catastrophe... when pressing s, no wizard was opened to save... I 
was surprised, I did not remember saving... I look in the timeline 
window bar and I freeze, this bad joke had already happened to me the 
first days in Cinelerra. There it said "Cinelerra: 
speedChange-2020-04-20_20.25.34.webm"


For the second time Cinelerra has converted a video into an xml file.

All my work thrown away, my lost time ...

I have pondered, and I have thought, I am currently recommending an 
application that can make a user lose a video that is important to 
him. Because of an application that still carries defects that were 
very common in the late 90s, but that are inconceivable in the middle 
of 2020.


Then all my illusion has turned into disappointment. I cannot 
recommend or spend time with an editor who can make you lose a video 
in such an absurd way. It is true that in my case, it was not an 
important video. But what if it had been...? I am not a computer 
scientist nor are I proficient with Photorec ... I am only an 
audiovisual technician.


So after thinking it over and seeing the great risk of working with 
Cinelerra, for the moment I take a break. If GG ever decides to fix 
this, please let me know, maybe I'll regain the lost illusion and keep 
writing tutorials.


So sorry. I have already deleted myself from the youtube channel and I 
am going to send the latest corrections of the Spanish translation to 
Phyllis and take a break.


Thank you very much for your good predisposition and for your kindness 
always with me.



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Re: [Cin] New monthly tars and pkgs available

[Igor BEGHETTO]

I agree with RafaMar about percentages vs pixels, it is more intuitive 
for an user.

I spoke about in different place, for example:
https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/bugtracker/view.php?id=212

IgorBeg


Il 05/04/2020 11.15, Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux ha scritto:
I think it is not good that these sliders are linked to the values 
seen below the timeline.
It is true that on the X and Y axes you can drag directly from the 
monitor.
But the fact that the sliders are limited by the values of the 
mentioned box below the timeline, can mislead users and make editing 
difficult.
These sliders should be independent and work with percentages (%) and 
not pixels. I mean, in numerical value, yes in pixels, but the slider 
internally in%.

image.png
For example on a fullHD (1920x1080) slider X axis in the center, 0% 
centered image, the slider at its right limit 100% shifts the 1920px 
video frame to the right, and vice versa, -100% -1920px
And the same Zoom, in the center 0%, size 1 in the numerical box, if 
we move to the left we reduce it to 0.01%, value 0.01 in the numerical 
box, if we move to the right, we enlarge, by example up to a value of 
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Re: [Cin] How do I crop a picture-in-picture?

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi David!
And after the good reply of Phyllis, RafaMar and Andrea_paz,...
Another one, depending on your project/goal.
File name: HowTo_PIP_withCropAndPosition.ogv
Link to: https://streamable.com/8r44xz

IgorBeg

PS:
You can use "Crop" plugin also with Proxy (without Scaling), 
that I always use.

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Re: [Cin] Today's GIT checkin includes 18 new Shape Wipe video transitions

[Igor BEGHETTO]

+1

IgorBeg


Il 15/03/2020 9.53, Sam ha scritto:

Very nice work Rafa! A big thank you. :-)

Sam



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Re: [Cin] Can't get Cin installed

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi Douglas,
I do not understand which Operating System you are using (I guess 
UbuntuStudio_19.10).
In addiction to what Phyllis wrote, you can see a video to install 
Cinelerra-gg, if it can help.

Link to http://www.visi1.org/cinelerra-gg_tutorials#DownloadAndFirstRun
My OS is UbuntuStudio_16.04. You can choose the Cinelerra-gg version for 
your OS.


IgorBeg


Il 25/04/2020 19.34, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:

 Doug,
Make your life a lot easier by installing Cinelerra from the tar 
file.  If you are using Mint 19, here are the steps to do that.


1) download the tar file via the internet by clicking on the link 
provided below and choosing "Save file":

https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/tars/cinelerra-5.1-mint19-20200331.x86_64-static.txz
2) most likely your computer is probably set up to download that file 
to your $HOME/Downloads directory but you may have changed that or can 
change it to /tmp

3) in a window, keyin the following:
cd /the_path_where_you_want_to_put_cinelerra
mkdir cin
tar -xJf 
$Home/Downloads/cinelerra-5.1-mint19-20200331.x86_64-static.txz
(Above, you have to substitute wherever you downloaded that file to 
for $Home/Downloads is you put it somewhere else).


4) to run Cnelerra, keyin:  /the_path_where_you_put_cinelerra/bin/cin

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Re: [Cin] Official CinGG channel on Youtube

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I saw your link with the videos, RafaMar. Seems to me good.
I think that the words "Short and silente video tutorials" in the 
Titleof the web page are not needed. Title too long, I think.

My personal opinion, of course.

IgorBeg


Il 23/04/2020 0.57, Rafa Mar Multimedia en Gnu\Linux ha scritto:
This type of videos is what I was referring to with my idea of 
promoting and filling the channel for all people regardless of their 
country and language.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5UVht3oXSIk1iKctcD6Gji9Jcn6BbIHv


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Re: [Cin] No Able to build by Git 20200423 for Ubuntu 16.04

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thank you so much GG/Phyllis for the static tar and for update on git!
I have done a build by git "Fri, 24 Apr 2020 19:24:52 +0200 (11:24 -0600)"
not "Sat, 25 Apr 2020 05:58:19 +0200 (21:58 -0600)".
I am testing Cin with this release.

About " bug... shortcut k that RafaMar found", I wrote in CV-mailinglist 
time ago but, surely, I explain that very bad.

https://lists.cinelerra-cv.org/pipermail/cinelerra/2018q3/009644.html

For me It works fine, but I go in MantisBT to write.

About "Color Wheel Hue toggler bug" there is something wrong. I must to 
see better. Eventually I will open a ticket.


IgorBeg

Il 24/04/2020 19.24, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:

IgorBeg:

The Ubuntu 16 compiler was not able to handle a more recent code 
construction.  GG has created a static tar with a fix in.  It is at:


https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-ub16-x86_64-static.txz

This fix and a couple more are checked in.  One is Color Wheel Hue 
toggler bug; other is shortcut k that RafaMar found.
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[Cin] SUV theme

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Hi!
Working on my personal theme I updated some icons, made by me time ago 
for the community, for consistency with the SUV theme. I added a 
compressed file with the icons. They only affect the background icons.

If you think they are better, you can overwrite the old ones.
Thanks!

IgorBeg


Export_20200517_SUV-consistency_xCommunity.tar.gz
Description: application/gzip
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Re: [Cin] Creating subtitles .srt

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Hi Andrea,
sorry for the late.
To create the ".srt" file I use Kitone SubTitleEditor like Haldun.

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Re: [Cin] Subtitles view.

[Igor BEGHETTO]

To convert .udvd to .srt or .ass is as simple as:
ffmpeg -i subtitle.udvd subtitle.srt
or
ffmpeg -i subtitle.udvd subtitle.ass
without any problem.

Thanks RafaMar! That is useful for me. I will wrote on my Notes.

What I think needs to be improved is the wizard to load or save to 
navigate to where the file is to load or save... it is a bit tedious 
to have to enter the path by hand. I know this is a copy and paste of 
the address, but this for a beginning person is a difficulty.

I agree. If possible, it would be better to have.
Thanks!

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Re: [Cin] New monthly pkgs and tars available on the website

[Igor BEGHETTO]

Thanks Phyllis for the Ubuntu 16 build.
I saw in Tracks menu the "Swap tracks Up" and "Swap tracks Down" options 
and, using RMB (Right Mouse button) over a track, the "Swap Up" and 
"Swap Down".
However I always use the shortcuts "Shift+Up" and "Shift+Down" to move 
one or more track/s up or down, so I will continue to use an old Cin 
version: 20200531 or/and 20191031 for the Nest to Clip bin issue (see 
MantisBT #427).
I repeat myself: I don't see any use on the new behaviour of Track Up 
and Track Down. More, now you have the Tracks menu and the PopUp menu 
with two new items added. I sincerely hope that GG restore the old 
behaviour as it was at 20200531: it was perfect, and the "Move track/s 
..." names were right, from a point of view of the user.

Thank you.

IgorBeg


Il 07/07/2020 22:27, Phyllis Smith ha scritto:
Here is a Ubuntu 16 build with the Swap Up/Down -- it should work the 
same as Move Up/Down did before.  If not, let me know.  Working on 
getting it back.

https://cinelerra-gg.org/download/testing/cinelerra-5.1-ub16-x86_64-static.txz

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Re: [Cin] New monthly pkgs and tars available on the website

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=== Move tracks Up & Move tracks Down (Shift+Up, Shift+Down) ===

@GG
Please, please, plesase, Could you restore the old Move tracks Up & Move 
tracks Down and their shortcut, please? I need them, I always use a lot 
of video and audio tracks (sometimes temporary video tracks for VFX) 
that I rearrange very quickly with Shift+UpArrow and Shift+DownArrow 
shortcuts. I hope you may understand.

Thanks.

@PhyllisSmith
Thank you for your effort to convince GG to hear me.

@Pierre, @RafaMar, @Sam, @Andrea_paz, @MatN
Thank you so much for your support!
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Re: [Cin] New monthly pkgs and tars available on the website

[Igor BEGHETTO]

2. *IMPORTANT - Changed Behavior*:
A minor change to “move up” and “move down” tracks was implemented 
to correct what was an exchange on the top track or bottom track 
instead of a move.

What???
I didn't understand. Are You saying that the new behaviour to rearrange 
the tracks by Menu

- Tracks-> MoveTracksUp (Shift+Up)
- Tracks-> MoveTracksDown (Shift+Down)
and its shortcuts is right now?

I really hope is it a bug (see MantisBT #469) because for me it has no 
sense the new behaviour.
Now,  that behaviour turn the tracks as in a wheel. And It is wrong 
because you can not rearrange the tracks exactly as you want. It has no 
sense.
The right way was what you can see in the video 
http://www.visi1.org/cinelerra-gg_tutorials#ReArrangeTracksOrder

and you can test with the Cin_20200531 release.

Until the Cin_20200531 release it worked perfectly.
Cinelerra-HV and Cinelerra-CV work as before in Cinelerra-gg.

By Cinelerra-CV manual:
7.6 Manipulating tracks. Move tracks up and Move tracks down shift all 
the armed tracks up or down the stack.


I really hope You (developers) and Users like Sam, Pierre, Andrea_paz, 
Andrew, MatN, AVLinux, RafaMar, and so on, think like me.

I can not work with the last (wrong) behaviour of Cinelerra-gg_20200630.
Thanks!

IgorBeg
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