Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
Try Linux. How do you account for that 1% market share while Apple increased to 10%. Looks like Apple was taking business away from both Windows and Linux over this last year. I expected to see more of a Net Book bounce for Linux.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-04 Thread Chris Dunford
It was, however, very simple: was the information Marcio got from his shop owner about WHY he should not upgrade accurate and reliable? Does the shop owner appear to be knowledgable and competent? It's clear to everyone except you that she is not. I answered that directly. Oh? Where?

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-04 Thread mike
Redmond took the business from linux. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Try Linux. How do you account for that 1% market share while Apple increased to 10%. Looks like Apple was taking business away from both Windows and Linux over this last year. I expected

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-04 Thread Jeff Wright
How do you account for that 1% market share while Apple increased to 10%. Is Apple now wearing the equivalent of a water-filled push-up bra? That number looks plumper than it really is. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-04 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Mon, 4 May 2009, mike wrote: Redmond took the business from linux. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Try Linux. How do you account for that 1% market share while Apple increased to 10%. Looks like Apple was taking business away from both Windows and Linux

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems Looks like Linux peaked in 3Q08. No? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-04 Thread Vicky Staubly
On Mon, 4 May 2009, Tom Piwowar wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems Looks like Linux peaked in 3Q08. No? Depends on which poll you look at... PollPeak --- --

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-04 Thread Tom Piwowar
Depends on which poll you look at... Except that looking at any 09Q2 stats is just funny numbers. We are just starting 09Q2. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness,

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
I am not sure. I have worked with her for yeras and as far as I can tell she has always been honest with me. She put together for me the before last computer (I bought the parts one at a time) and she did this last one that is working fine. She asked me if I wanted the Vista or the XP, stating

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-02 Thread Chris Dunford
Then with your Vista question, again they did not care that XP was a much safer choice for you. They had to push Vista to bolster M$ bottom line at your expense and they jumped all over your truth-telling computer lady. Unbelievable. Here is one of the questions I asked you: Did I, or

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-02 Thread Tom Piwowar
Nobody pushed Vista. Nobody suggested Vista. Nobody even *hinted* that he should buy Vista. When I confronted you with your previous posts on this, you insisted that it never happened (so that you could feign indignation?). Okay. Then let's agree to agree. Vista bad, stick with XP. I'm glad

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-02 Thread Chris Dunford
Okay. Then let's agree to agree. Vista bad, stick with XP. I'm glad that's over. That's just pathetic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-02 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I will... If Vista was OK, why 7? The name Vista has the stink of death on it. I think that they got a half decent product with SP1 but by then it was too late. So they retooled lots of what was wrong with Vista and kicked the

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-02 Thread Marcio
This is more or less what my computer woman told me... Marcio -Original Message- From: John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com Sent: May 2, 2009 8:06 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Marcio m

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Marcio
This is what I am afraid... If this is the case I would rather do a clean install with Vista now while the computer is new. Marcio -Original Message- From: Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 7:01 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Marcio
This sounds better... Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 7:14 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? Chris is correct...no upgrade from xp to 7, but you can get the upgrade price. You just have to wipe

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Marcio
This is always my fear... what a pain! Marcio -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net Sent: Apr 30, 2009 9:10 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? I do but do you want to have to reinstall everything on your system

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Marcio
Just made an appointment with a psychoanalyst instead of a computer shop. But, can they be trusted? Marcio -Original Message- From: Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 8:35 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? My particular problem

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Chris Dunford
This is what I am afraid... If this is the case I would rather do a clean install with Vista now while the computer is new. Marcio Actually, I think Jeff had a great idea. Windows 7 RC1 will be available for free download on May 5 and will be valid for a full year, so it will work until

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Tony B
I sure wouldn't recommend a casual user - especially one that fears reinstalling a few apps - to install a RC version of Windows 7! At most it will be good for a year, at which point they would likely need to do a clean install again. I mean, who would trust an upgrade to an RC, even if that path

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Jordan
No. You've made, what is for you, the short trip from amusing to very sad. For an interesting take on behavior and self-righteous indignation; http://www.davidbrin.com/addiction.htm The Most Common (but Unstudied) Form of Self-Addiction We all know self-righteous people. (And, if we are

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
You know it clearly amazes me the lack of insight many folks have. Many folks do not FEAR a reinstall, they just do not like it. It is frustrating and time consuming. I have had to do reinstalls. Just not my cup of tea, and if I can avoid it, I avoid it. I have done many upgrades over

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Marcio
...@earthlink.net Sent: May 1, 2009 10:34 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? You know it clearly amazes me the lack of insight many folks have. Many folks do not FEAR a reinstall, they just do not like it. It is frustrating and time consuming. I have had

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
1. Did the shop owner accurately characterize Microsoft's plans when she said that it is taking Vista out of the market because it would cost them too much to fix all the bugs? Win 7 appears to be mostly a deloused version of Vista. Some have even claimed that it would be wrong for M$ to charge

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
It is not nonsense. Not many of mine can simply be backed up they require a complete reinstall. Any program that writes to the registry cannot simply be backed up it requires a complete reinstall. We must use different programs. Stewart At 09:21 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote: Please don't keep

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
But no one that I read FEARS an reinstall, they just do not like the time wasted reinstalling all their stuff and getting their system to where they like it once more. It depends on what the computer is used for. If its a part of a production system and having a computer down will cause work

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Marcio
Hmmm now I am puzzled. Restore a C: and...no need to install a new OS? Please advise Marcio -Original Message- From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Sent: May 1, 2009 11:21 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? Please don't keep spreading this nonsense

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. Try Linux. Stewart At 09:54 AM 5/1/2009, you wrote: It depends on what the computer is used for. If its a part of a production system and having a computer down will cause work to be backed up and deadlines to be missed I can understand using the word

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Please don't keep spreading this nonsense. All *my* programs are backed up. Many won't require reinstall even if I install a clean OS on my C drive, but those that do - even the ones I've downloaded - will install in moments. Looks like Tony does most of his computing with shareware. It is

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Well, that seems pretty boneheaded on MS's part, given the low adoption rate of Vista and the fact that they already have an XP -- Vista upgrade engine that could easily be adapted to Win7. I think it is just FUD to get people to buy Vista in a panic. When MS looks at the numbers and starts

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread John Emmerling
Could you please provide some statistics and an unbiased reference to corroborate this? In my experience, and I've worked in IT many years, mission-critical systems tend to be servers running some form of Unix. Often there's a mainframe in the picture as well. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:54 AM,

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Chris Dunford
Is there anything wrong with XP that would motivate upgrading to Vista? I don't see anything. etc. etc. etc. I knew it was hopeless to ask for honest, non-weasely responses. You failed to answer a single question honestly because, over and over and over, you're completely missing the point.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Now, Tom is going to splutter and fume and start hyperventilating because we're suggesting that you use a beta version of Windows. He would have been right if we'd suggested this in December. But the current beta is already rock solid, and RC1 is the release candidate--the version that will be

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
This is to be considered I think. Just want to avoid the pain of doing a clean install later on... when I have more programs in my computer... A PC bought today will need to be replaced about the time Win7 hits stability with SP1 or SP2. So just run XP until it comes time to replace your PC.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Question for this group: is there a way of installing a program from a backup image (DriveImage, similar to Ghost image) onto a boot disk without the original program disks? I have used Ghost to clone a damaged drive to a new drive. Because Ghost made an exact copy at the hardware level - a

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I think that is ingrained in American corporate culture. Until consequences equal the severity of the lie, it will not change. They can call it advertising, or whatever. But until there is some law that makes lying in a corporate atmosphere a sever penalty they will continue to do it.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread John Emmerling
I avoided addressing this in the interest of simplicity. A desktop or laptop running OSX 10.5 or higher is technically a Unix computer. I suspect the preponderance of Apple computers in active use are running earlier versions of OSX. When I refer to Unix servers, I have in mind a category of

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
As I understand it, Apple OS is a Unix base with a GUI added on top. Most Unix Servers etc. run proprietary stuff on top of the Unix so they are similar but not the same. My TIVO box is a Linux Base with a GUI (TIVO) Added on top of it. My Tom-Tom is a Linux base with a GUI added on top of

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
It's possible some Apple hardware is included in this mix, but focusing on that is basically a distraction. Oh yes, the old it has to be brown to be an MP3 player argument. Apple makes a very nice server. * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
No, Apple keeps current version (10.5.x) as UNIX. So it is no longer correct to refer to it as a UNIX-base; it is UNIX with Apple's GUI and other software additions. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- As I understand it, Apple OS is a Unix base with a GUI added on top. Most Unix

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Could you please provide some statistics and an unbiased reference to corroborate this? You would just nitpick to obscure the truth. Waste everybody's time. In my experience, and I've worked in IT many years, mission-critical systems tend to be servers running some form of Unix. Often there's a

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread b_s-wilk
Please don't keep spreading this nonsense. All *my* programs are backed up. Many won't require reinstall even if I install a clean OS on my C drive, but those that do - even the ones I've downloaded - will install in moments. All of my programs and data are backed up too. Commercial programs

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
It was, however, very simple: was the information Marcio got from his shop owner about WHY he should not upgrade accurate and reliable? Does the shop owner appear to be knowledgable and competent? It's clear to everyone except you that she is not. I answered that directly. Your Vista Protection

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread John Emmerling
On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: You would just nitpick to obscure the truth. Waste everybody's time. ... OS X is UNIX. this is a nitpicking, legalistic distinction, and irrelevant to the original topic. You really do need to learn more about computers.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Jeff Wright
No. You've made, what is for you, the short trip from amusing to very sad. For an interesting take on behavior and self-righteous indignation; http://www.davidbrin.com/addiction.htm Interesting that you chose to use something from David Brin, one of the most self-rightous and sanctimonious,

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
Grab the Release Candidate (RC) of Windows 7 on May 5. It's the last beta release before RTM (release to manufacturers) later this year. http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicar ticleId=9132397 Actually April 30th if you are on M$'s insider list. There must be

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Jordan
Please ask yourself why you reacted so radically? What is so threatening to you? Did you read it? You are making Brin's point. Jeff Wright wrote: No. You've made, what is for you, the short trip from amusing to very sad. For an interesting take on behavior and self-righteous indignation;

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Piwowar
If you're saying that you think she IS competent, then either you're delusional or you're playing one of your little games. Anything that does not agree with your preconceived notions is invisible. I got it. We won't bother you with facts and logic.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Jeff Wright
Please ask yourself why you reacted so radically? What is so threatening to you? Brilliant. I await your declaration of mike and I being in denial. I can see now why you play on Tom's team. If you can't dazzle them with bullshit, baffle them with bullshit. Did you read it? You are making

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-05-01 Thread Marcio
- From: Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com Sent: May 1, 2009 5:11 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? It was, however, very simple: was the information Marcio got from his shop owner about WHY he should not upgrade accurate and reliable? Does the shop

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread mike
I wouldn't take my computer there for ten bux. If he doesn't know what MS is going to do, he doesn't know much of anything, it's all over the tech scene what they are doing. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Talk with my computer shop today and wanted to buy

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Chris Dunford
Talk with my computer shop today and wanted to buy from them the Windows Vista Nome SP1 to install on my new computer. The nice owner told me that I should not buy it because Microsoft is taking Vista out of the market because it would cost them too much to fix all the bugs. Recommended that

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Tom Piwowar
Talk with my computer shop today and wanted to buy from them the Windows Vista Nome SP1 to install on my new computer. The nice owner told me that I should not buy it because Microsoft is taking Vista out of the market because it would cost them too much to fix all the bugs. Recommended that I

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Tony B
My first reaction was This guy is an idiot. But I think you may have just misunderstood. Perhaps he was saying that, for the cost of him installing it, you might be better off waiting a couple years for Windows 7 SP1. Or something. Anyway, MS has no intention of killing off Vista before XP, but

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Chris Dunford
Your computer shop guy is a smart guy. Our WFBs will disagree. Is this supposed to be funny, or what? Encouraging your own list member--an individual who appears to trust CGUYS for good advice and information--continue to patronize an establishment where management is clearly clueless is a

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I will not comment on the shop owners Vista comment (Don't run it, cant comment) However here is the scoop. An Acer exec has said that Windows 7 will be released in October. We will wait and see. flavors of Vista: Home Basic Home Premium Business Ultimate Stewart At 03:54 PM 4/30/2009,

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Marcio
? To prepare for 7? Marcio -Original Message- From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 4:35 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? My first reaction was This guy is an idiot. But I think you may have just misunderstood. Perhaps he was saying

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread mike
-Original Message- From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 4:35 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? My first reaction was This guy is an idiot. But I think you may have just misunderstood. Perhaps he was saying that, for the cost of him

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread mike
Have an url for that because MS hasn't said when 7 will be released. The RC just came out...then GM will be out. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I will not comment on the shop owners Vista comment (Don't run it, cant comment) However

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Tom Piwowar
That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, Marcio. Did you know I was that good at forecasting the future? You need to get a new computer shop. You certainly don't want to deal with someone who puts your interests first. Better to find a shop where the lie to you and get you to waste

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Chris Dunford
I will not comment on the shop owners Vista comment (Don't run it, cant comment) Rev, you don't need to be a Vista user to know that she's wrong. What she said was, Microsoft is taking Vista out of the market because it would cost them too much to fix all the bugs. That's just false, as in not

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Marcio
] Windows Vista out? I will not comment on the shop owners Vista comment (Don't run it, cant comment) However here is the scoop. An Acer exec has said that Windows 7 will be released in October. We will wait and see. flavors of Vista: Home Basic Home Premium Business Ultimate Stewart At 03:54 PM 4

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Marcio
...@tjpa.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 5:13 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard, Marcio. Did you know I was that good at forecasting the future? You need to get a new computer shop. You certainly don't want to deal

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Marcio
for 7? Marcio -Original Message- From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 4:35 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? My first reaction was This guy is an idiot. But I think you may have just misunderstood. Perhaps he was saying

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread mike
Seems strange he would say this. The comment about the free 30 day upgrade would kill sales now I would think. On top of MS specifically not saying when win 7 is due. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10231122-1.html?part=earthlink Stewart At 04:23 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Have an url for that because MS hasn't said when 7 will be released. The RC just came out...then GM will be out. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
He said it not me. However they have usually done this type of free upgrade and most software sellers do it as an inducement to get them to keep buying before a new release comes out. Stewart At 04:46 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Seems strange he would say this. The comment about the free 30

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Chris I don't use so I don't know how buggy it is. However I always take a computers shop recommendation with a grain of salt. Last year one of my members got her system back after being told she needed to replace the motherboard. I opened it replaced the video card and she is still using

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
to start from scratch with 7 so be it... Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 5:22 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? Two points here. No, at this point with win 7 on the horizon there is no reason to go out

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Chris Dunford
You certainly don't want to deal with someone who puts your interests first. Better to find a shop where the lie to you and get you to waste your money. After all M$ has to find a way out of its $ales $lump. Got to put first things first and customers last. This is incomprehensible. She

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread mike
-Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Apr 30, 2009 5:22 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? Two points here. No, at this point with win 7 on the horizon there is no reason to go out and buy a copy of Vista. If you are purchasing a new

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread mike
To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out? Two points here. No, at this point with win 7 on the horizon there is no reason to go out and buy a copy of Vista. If you are purchasing a new computer which comes loaded with Vista then good, leave it. Vista has no more

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Chris Dunford
Seems strange he would say this. The comment about the free 30 day upgrade would kill sales now I would think. On top of MS specifically not saying when win 7 is due. Supposedly, any new PC sold with Vista after July 1 is going to be eligible for a free upgrade.

[CGUYS] Computer Shops Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread mike
Local news station here tested half a dozen shops, before taking the computer in they remove the ribbon cable from the HD and told the tech that the computer had just stopped working. Five shops had problems from under 100 to hundreds of dollars to fix, one shop the owner told her what the

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Chris Dunford
The upgrade path is not known at this time, but it should be expected that you will be able to upgrade directly from XP to Windows 7. No, it appears that you will be able to do an in-place upgrade from Vista, but not from XP. If you have XP, a clean install will be required.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread mike
Chris is correct...no upgrade from xp to 7, but you can get the upgrade price. You just have to wipe the machine... On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: The upgrade path is not known at this time, but it should be expected that you will be able to

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Chris Dunford
Chris I don't use so I don't know how buggy it is. I don't think I expressed myself very clearly. Whether or not Vista is buggy isn't relevant. Here's what she said, in essence: Toyota is discontinuing the 2009 Camry because it stinks, and Toyota doesn't want to spend the money to build it

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Huh? Stewart At 04:56 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: You can expect pain when you take a hammer to your fingers too. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: The upgrade path is not known at this time, but it should be expected that you will be able

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread mike
You'll get about as much done hammering your fingers as upgrading from XP to 7. Not recommended. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Huh? Stewart At 04:56 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: You can expect pain when you take a hammer to your

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Tom Piwowar
Encouraging your own list member--an individual who appears to trust CGUYS for good advice and information--continue to patronize an establishment where management is clearly clueless is a really lousy thing to do. I think I know very well who is completely clueless.

Re: [CGUYS] Computer Shops Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Agreed. It is just like auto shops when the final verdict comes in. Stewart At 05:01 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Local news station here tested half a dozen shops, before taking the computer in they remove the ribbon cable from the HD and told the tech that the computer had just stopped

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Tom Piwowar
Whether or not Vista is buggy isn't relevant. Finally the truth comes out. All that is relevant is that M$ will be missing out on some much-needed revenue if you don't run out immediately and buy. It is very wrong that you want to deny M$ its due. Your are obviously being an uncooperative,

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I hope they find a better way to upgrade or a lot of us will just not do it. I will not loose all my stuff just to upgrade their OS. Stewart At 05:14 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Chris is correct...no upgrade from xp to 7, but you can get the upgrade price. You just have to wipe the machine...

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Tom Piwowar
My particular problem is just this... should I wait with mu XP Home or should I have Vista Home or Premium and wait?... Do you have any sins that you need to atone for? Replacing your XP with Vista would certainly expiate much of your accumulated guilt. The Rev can provide details. The only

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Tom Piwowar
You'll get about as much done hammering your fingers as upgrading from XP to 7. Not recommended. Expiate. Expiate. Expiate. Hammering fingers seems extreme. Can one just whip oneself with a length of chain? Expiate. Expiate. Expiate.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Chris Dunford
Whether or not Vista is buggy isn't relevant. Are you SURE you're not a politician? I ask this because you're really, really good at quoting stuff out of context. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules,

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread mike
Vile? Really? Is that like you calling someone a thief or someone else a gaybasher? Grow up, Tom. Your constant name calling is what is vile on this list. Why the whole list puts up with your abuse I have no idea. I'm wondering why I do myself. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Tom Piwowar

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Chris Dunford
Encouraging your own list member--an individual who appears to trust CGUYS for good advice and information --continue to patronize an establishment where management is clearly clueless is a really lousy thing to do. I think I know very well who is completely clueless.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread mike
Rev, please tell me you back up? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I hope they find a better way to upgrade or a lot of us will just not do it. I will not loose all my stuff just to upgrade their OS. Stewart At 05:14 PM 4/30/2009, you

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Jordan
Actually, it's pretty amusing. And the indignant outrage is hilarious. And by the way: Windows?. clean install?they should not be in the same paragraph. mike wrote: Vile? Really? Is that like you calling someone a thief or someone else a gaybasher? Grow up, Tom. Your

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I do but do you want to have to reinstall everything on your system? In these days of key#s and stuff it takes a couple of months to restore a system to what it was before when you have to reload stuff. Stewart At 06:42 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: Rev, please tell me you back up? On Thu, Apr

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread mike
Jordan, stop being an asshole. Is that funny enough? On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, it's pretty amusing. And the indignant outrage is hilarious. And by the way: Windows?. clean install?they should not be in the same paragraph.

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Tom Piwowar
You have to say that the owner is a smart guy who's putting his customers first. What claptrap. And I was completey wrong it appears. The guy was a gal. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Tom Piwowar
In these days of key#s and stuff it takes a couple of months to restore a system to what it was before when you have to reload stuff. Sadly true for my PC. However I have found Apple's migration tool to be amazingly effective. I can install a new OS on a new drive and then quickly migrate all

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Tom Piwowar
And the indignant outrage is hilarious. Should I have littered my post with smileys? Smileys seem so immature. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map,

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I have found PC Mover from laplink to be an excellent tool. Bought it once for the office came with the USB cable. Problem is it costs about 59 per move. OUCH. MS includes a migration tool, but only for their apps. Stewart At 08:09 PM 4/30/2009, you wrote: In these days of key#s and

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Robert Carroll
Hear, Hear! Two months ago my boot disk on my PC failed, I opted to do a clean install of Windows XP Pro on a new disk instead of a disk image backup of the failed disk. Reason: the computer had become so slow to operate that I was fretting. With a clean install, the computer now has a

Re: [CGUYS] Windows Vista out?

2009-04-30 Thread Chris Dunford
And I was completey wrong it appears. The guy was a gal. Right. I think there were one or two other problems with your responses besides that. Please answer the following yes or no questions: 1. Did the shop owner accurately characterize Microsoft's plans when she said that it is taking Vista