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2010-02-15 Thread John Emmerling
Is this a first for ComputerGuys-L? On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:44 AM, Jack Hand jackh...@hotmail.com wrote: * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: This business of One of the reasons why we don't support a stylus is that it can be lost is so ridiculous that I have to wonder if he even really said it, or if that's what he really meant. Maybe it was just an

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 10:05 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Actually, the only thing serious in this discussion is your utter lack of imagination. There's another ad hominem again. There's always gotta be at least one on every group who throws those around. Thank goodness there is

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread Chris Dunford
Read, from PC Magazine: When PCMag's editor-in-chief Lance Ulanoff put together a list of dream features for the forthcoming Apple iPad tablet earlier in the week, a stylus ranked pretty high. But Lance's dream was just that--Steve Jobs, after all, has long been anti-stylus, as

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2010-02-15 Thread tjpa
On Feb 15, 2010, at 7:23 AM, John Emmerling wrote: Is this a first for ComputerGuys-L? Spam is indeed rare around here -- thanks to AOL's filters. Jack has been subscribed since 1999 so I suspect that his PC is pwned. If we get more of this I will put him on moderation.

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread tjpa
On Feb 15, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Case made. What a bizarre thing to say. I don't like styli, so you can't have one. What a bizarre thing to say: I don't like innovation, so all progress must stop. *

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread tjpa
On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:41 PM, John DeCarlo wrote: What others are arguing, is that the physical nature of painting with a brush, or drawing with a range of pens and pencils, can be duplicated using a computer to change the characteristics of the single drawing implement you use. And

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread tjpa
On Feb 15, 2010, at 8:02 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: When PCMag's editor-in-chief Lance Ulanoff put together a list of dream features for the forthcoming Apple iPad tablet earlier in the week, a stylus ranked pretty high. PCMag is negative about Apple. -- This is news? An editor-in-chief

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread tjpa
On Feb 15, 2010, at 8:35 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: My one and only point throughout has been that a stylus can be a valuable asset when drawing or writing in freehand mode Anyone who has used a stylus for more than a few minutes will tell you that it makes the fingers cramp. Telling

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread tjpa
On Feb 14, 2010, at 5:09 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have something against using computers to produce hand rendered drawings? Do you think all drawing done on computers should only use strictly mathematical input to create strokes and shapes? I think you have not been keeping up

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Case made. What a bizarre thing to say. I don't like styli, so you can't have one. Well, I guess Apple is his company to run, thus he can do whatever he wants to with it. However, he did not build his case against

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread Chris Dunford
On Feb 15, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Case made. What a bizarre thing to say. I don't like styli, so you can't have one. What a bizarre thing to say: I don't like innovation, so all progress must stop. And it's progress because Jobs says so, I guess. I'd love to see someone

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2010-02-15 Thread Fred Holmes
But how does a spam filter catch this (referenced) message? There was no subject to the message. The only content to the message was a URL. The text of the URL was entirely cryptic, i.e., it gave no hint whatsoever of the content of the web page that the URL links to. The only way that a spam

[CGUYS] What happened to the headers?

2010-02-15 Thread chrper...@aol.com
Can someone explain what happened to the headers in Digest mode? I miss being able to easily follow a subject, or even see who posted (if no name is included in the post), for any given topic. I really treasure being part of this list, but it's getting too confusing to follow most

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:40 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Exactly, hence my comment about lack of imagination and illusions to parallel ports. Whenever somebody innovates we see a swell of nay sayers who can't imagine that anything could be done differently than it is being done currently.

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2010-02-15 Thread Fred Holmes
I didn't recognize Jack Hand (the sender) as a poster to the list. I keep everything stored in my Eudora mail client. I find only five postings from him since 2005, and the most recent prior post being on 9/4/2006. He made several postings in 2004, but not a whole lot. Fred Holmes At

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:57 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: I think you have not been keeping up with this field. There are a number of ways to randomize built into these programs. To insist that the product is no good because you want it to use it in a silly way is just silly. And nothing

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2010-02-15 Thread chad evans wyatt
Don't we all dump inscrutable messages nowadays?  What is the kerfuffle? --- On Mon, 2/15/10, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: From: Fred Holmes f...@his.com Subject: [CGUYS] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Monday, February 15, 2010, 10:41 AM I didn't recognize Jack Hand (the sender)

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread mike
Stuff like this is why I think Tom is just playing us all, being the troll to get the list going, no one is this obtuse and can still function out in the world. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone notice that most drawing programs are operated

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2010-02-15 Thread tjpa
On Feb 15, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: But how does a spam filter catch this (referenced) message? There was no subject to the message. The only content to the message was a URL. AOL's methods are secret. SpamAssassin's methods are public and probably typical. SA assigns points for

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2010-02-15 Thread tjpa
On Feb 15, 2010, at 10:41 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: I didn't recognize Jack Hand (the sender) as a poster to the list. I keep everything stored in my Eudora mail client. I find only five postings from him since 2005, and the most recent prior post being on 9/4/2006. He made several postings

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread tjpa
On Feb 15, 2010, at 10:03 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I guess Apple is his company to run, thus he can do whatever he wants to with it. None of you answered the question. HOW MANY PRIVATE JETS DO YOU OWN? Answer the question!

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2010-02-15 Thread Fred Holmes
No, and I made no such allegation. At 12:53 PM 2/15/2010, tjpa wrote: So you think this was a deep cover spammer who has been plotting since 1999 to send us this one load of crap? * ** List info, subscription management,

Re: [CGUYS] What happened to the headers?

2010-02-15 Thread tjpa
On Feb 15, 2010, at 10:30 AM, chrper...@aol.com wrote: Can someone explain what happened to the headers in Digest mode? I miss being able to easily follow a subject, or even see who posted (if no name is included in the post), for any given topic. I really treasure being part of this list,

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:58 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: HOW MANY PRIVATE JETS DO YOU OWN? What is the average circumference of our moon? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread tjpa
On Feb 14, 2010, at 4:56 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Steve Jobs said that he wants to see fingers used on his portable devices for pointing purposes as opposed to using a stylus, thus he shuns the stylus and refuses to provide one even though he could make more money were he to do so. Jobs

[CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus

2010-02-15 Thread b_s-wilk
Snack sausages sales are on the increase in South Korea because of the cold weather; they are useful as a meat stylus for those who don't want to take off their gloves to use their iPhones. http://www.gearfuse.com/south-koreans-using-meat-as-an-iphone-stylus

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread b_s-wilk
On Feb 15, 2010, at 9:12 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Case made. What a bizarre thing to say. I don't like styli, so you can't have one. What a bizarre thing to say: I don't like innovation, so all progress must stop. Since when are touch screens an innovation? Stylus or touch screen or

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 9:59 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Shall we compare Steve Jobs's track record to yours? How many private jets do you own? Is this your primary, perhaps even only means of calculating the worthiness of individuals? My goodness, what do jet aircraft have to do with

Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus

2010-02-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:57 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Snack sausages sales are on the increase in South Korea because of the cold weather; they are useful as a meat stylus for those who don't want to take off their gloves to use their iPhones. As soon as Apple sees how iPhone

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread Chris Dunford
Shall we compare Steve Jobs's track record to yours? How many private jets do you own? Should we not, then, also compare Bill Gate's track record to Jobs's? I wouldn't be surprised if Gates just gave away more money than Jobs is worth. Therefore you must concede that Gates is by far the

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread John Settle
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Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus

2010-02-15 Thread b_s-wilk
Snack sausages sales are on the increase in South Korea because of the cold weather; they are useful as a meat stylus for those who don't want to take off their gloves to use their iPhones. As soon as Apple sees how iPhone and iPad users want to use something other than their fingers, they

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 3:07 PM, John Settle john_j_set...@yahoo.com wrote: Mean radius    1 737.10 km  (0.273 Earths) Equatorial radius       1 738.14 km  (0.273 Earths) Polar radius    1 735.97 km  (0.273 Earths) Flattening      0.001 25 Circumference   10 921 km (equatorial) Source and

Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?

2010-02-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Should we not, then, also compare Bill Gate's track record to Jobs's? I wouldn't be surprised if Gates just gave away more money than Jobs is worth. Mr. Jobs name does not, to the best of my knowledge, appear on any

Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus

2010-02-15 Thread tjpa
On Feb 15, 2010, at 2:24 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: As soon as Apple sees how iPhone and iPad users want to use something other than their fingers, they will come up with a stylus. You didn't answer the question! HOW MANY PRIVATE JETS DO YOU OWN?

Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus

2010-02-15 Thread tjpa
On Feb 15, 2010, at 3:19 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: This looks like an opportunity, not a defect. Search for iPhone stylus and you'll find dozens of choices, just not one from Apple. How do you do multitouch with a stylus? Are not S Korean's adept with chop sticks? I suppose they just hold two

Re: [CGUYS] Intuit's amazing sidestep

2010-02-15 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
What OS are you running it on? On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Judy Cosler jfcos...@gmail.com wrote: WTH is an engine log? On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Q. Fisher quentin.fis...@verizon.net wrote: After jumping through all of Intuit's hoops, thought I could get my taxes done today

Re: [CGUYS] Science Friday: Facial Recognition

2010-02-15 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS) mark.sny...@ngc.com wrote: Depends on what database is used to check the face; if FaceBook, I can see an iPhone app for that. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:56 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com

Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus

2010-02-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 5:29 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: You didn't answer the question! HOW MANY PRIVATE JETS DO YOU OWN? What was that? I didn't hear you. Could you please speak a bit louder? * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] Science Friday: Facial Recognition

2010-02-15 Thread Robert Carroll
I am dubious about facial recognition by computer in regard to accuracy. For some reason, I can recognize faces that I have ever seen -- those that I don't know that sit in a restaurant, those who pass by in a food supermarket or on a sidewalk, those that I see at a large concert, etc. --

Re: [CGUYS] Science Friday: Facial Recognition

2010-02-15 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:44 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: Given Google Picassa's  facial recognition which works ok and facebook tags there is a decent chance that a face can be recognized. Hasn't law enforcement tried this already, for instance in Virginia Beach,

Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus

2010-02-15 Thread Ellen Rains Harris
You know, Bill Gates probably doesn't own any because they're most often leased. - Original Message - From: phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Meat as an iPhone [iPad?] stylus On

Re: [CGUYS] Science Friday: Facial Recognition

2010-02-15 Thread Tony B
Interesting. But you forgot to mention what apps you've tried. At least Picasa I assume? Did it actually give you a lot of false hits? I've found it to be absolutely uncanny in picking faces out of some of the worst shots. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:06 PM, Robert Carroll

Re: [CGUYS] Intuit's amazing sidestep

2010-02-15 Thread Andy Gallant
After checking TurboTax Support on the web: 1. A link to Article 7760 (quoted in the original message) is here: http://turbotax.intuit.com/support/kb/general-program-issues/entering-your-data/7760.html 2. A link on that page (Capture your engine log files) is here:

Re: [CGUYS] Science Friday: Facial Recognition

2010-02-15 Thread t.piwowar
On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:40 PM, Tony B wrote: Interesting. But you forgot to mention what apps you've tried. At least Picasa I assume? Did it actually give you a lot of false hits? I've found it to be absolutely uncanny in picking faces out of some of the worst shots. I agree with Tony --