[CGUYS] Computer dropped dead overnight
Not much to say. A 4-year-old eMachines used by my wife (ironically I had been planning to replace it, but was hoping to wait for Windows 7) was on last night past midnight. When I saw it this morning, it was off and cannot be powered back on. The only power switch is a toggle on the front. Pressing it does nothing. I tried plugging it into a different outlet (it is normally on a UPS). There were no power interruptions overnight, I would have known because several clocks would have been blinking. Any suggestions beyond the obvious? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer dropped dead overnight
Taps? Stewart At 08:23 AM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Not much to say. A 4-year-old eMachines used by my wife (ironically I had been planning to replace it, but was hoping to wait for Windows 7) was on last night past midnight. When I saw it this morning, it was off and cannot be powered back on. The only power switch is a toggle on the front. Pressing it does nothing. I tried plugging it into a different outlet (it is normally on a UPS). There were no power interruptions overnight, I would have known because several clocks would have been blinking. Any suggestions beyond the obvious? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Taxes and good life
I apologize to those who are sick of seeing non-computer stuff here. I've mentioned before, the common knowledge that the people in countries there the taxes are high tend to feel more satisfied with life. So I dug up an article and a study to with charts and graphs that show this. One talks about measures of well being, and is a pdf from Deutche Bank: http://www.dbresearch.com/PROD/DBR_INTERNET_EN-PROD/PROD00202587.pdf The other is an article from MSN Money that lists tax burdens of industrialized countries. (I know, it might be another Microsoft plot) http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/P148855.asp Interesting stuff. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
I would like to see the source data they used for tax levels, and if they included corporate taxes as well. Americans (and Europeans) pay a lot of layered on (sales, gas) hidden taxes (basically taxes that were paid by a provider) they don't really see, but do effect them. On Jan 31, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Jordan wrote: I apologize to those who are sick of seeing non-computer stuff here. I've mentioned before, the common knowledge that the people in countries there the taxes are high tend to feel more satisfied with life. So I dug up an article and a study to with charts and graphs that show this. One talks about measures of well being, and is a pdf from Deutche Bank: http://www.dbresearch.com/PROD/DBR_INTERNET_EN-PROD/PROD00202587.pdf The other is an article from MSN Money that lists tax burdens of industrialized countries. (I know, it might be another Microsoft plot) http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/P148855.asp Interesting stuff. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer dropped dead overnight
Quoting John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com: Not much to say. A 4-year-old eMachines used by my wife (ironically I had been planning to replace it, but was hoping to wait for Windows 7) was on last night past midnight. When I saw it this morning, it was off and cannot be powered back on. The only power switch is a toggle on the front. Pressing it does nothing. I tried plugging it into a different outlet (it is normally on a UPS). There were no power interruptions overnight, I would have known because several clocks would have been blinking. Any suggestions beyond the obvious? Is there a fuse on the power supply? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer dropped dead overnight
Not externally. I looked for something plainly visible that might indicate the presence of a fuse. I didn't want to open it (never opened this one before) before asking for suggestions. Do such power supplies typically have fuses? On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Is there a fuse on the power supply? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer dropped dead overnight
If there is a fuse in the power supply (and they are not easy to get at), and it is blown, replacing it probably won't help - they are so cheaply built these days that a component failure is final. Assuming that your power supply is a standard form factor (size, mounting screws, connectors, etc.), it is easier and cheaper to just replace it ($10-15 from Internet suppliers). I routinely pull the power supplies out of dead machines and inventory them for future replacements. Mike Reid Katan wrote: Quoting John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com: Not much to say. A 4-year-old eMachines used by my wife (ironically I had been planning to replace it, but was hoping to wait for Windows 7) was on last night past midnight. When I saw it this morning, it was off and cannot be powered back on. The only power switch is a toggle on the front. Pressing it does nothing. I tried plugging it into a different outlet (it is normally on a UPS). There were no power interruptions overnight, I would have known because several clocks would have been blinking. Any suggestions beyond the obvious? Is there a fuse on the power supply? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
Some general observations (I make some assertions without proof, feel free to provide contradictory data): 1.) Compared to other western countries, Americans are significantly more religious. Religious folk seem to see life's problems as being between themselves and God, and don't have much use for the government. BTW I don't mean this as a criticism. 2.) The US has always embraced small town and rural culture and disdained urban life. Rural and small-town people typically depend on themselves, their family, and their neighbors for survival, and don't have much use for the government. In other western countries, the urban elite seem to have more influence, and they look down on country folk as backward. And urban existence, with its dependence on a complex infrastructure, depends heavily on having an effective government (go visit Mogadishu if you don't believe me). 3.) Americans have come to expect government initiatives to fail. They consider a career working for the government (except in the areas of law enforcement and national security) as a refuge for the incompetent. Largely a self-fulfilling prophecy. As a consequence, Americans don't see themselves as getting much return for their tax dollars, and so they basically feel they are being robbed. I am not prepared to say whether they are right or wrong. Having grown up and lived all my life in the US, it always amazes me that people in countries like France are not afraid to trust their health care entirely to government employees. On the other hand, I can't ignore the ample evidence that supports this conclusion. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Google weirdness and Firefox on Windows?
I have been running Ubuntu the last couple of days and just switched to Windows. Two weird problems with Google on Firefox (3.0.5): gmail would not load all the way in standard mode (html mode is OK). The progress bar goes to about 98% and hangs. Both my account and my wife's When doing a web search, every site bears the legend this site may harm your computer. None of these phenomena are occurring in Chrome. Has anybody else seen this? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google weirdness and Firefox on Windows?
Yes...very annoying. What os are you running? I've been having these issues on 64bit vista, I don't believe my wife has had the same issue on 64bit win7 though. I have not seen the legend you are talking about, just the problem with gmail. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:48 AM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.comwrote: I have been running Ubuntu the last couple of days and just switched to Windows. Two weird problems with Google on Firefox (3.0.5): gmail would not load all the way in standard mode (html mode is OK). The progress bar goes to about 98% and hangs. Both my account and my wife's When doing a web search, every site bears the legend this site may harm your computer. None of these phenomena are occurring in Chrome. Has anybody else seen this? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google weirdness and Firefox on Windows?
XP Pro 32-bit (SP3). I don't think it matters what version of Windows. I think it's the Firefox version that matters (I would consider the linux version a different version). Probably Google is fixing this as I type. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:00 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Yes...very annoying. What os are you running? I've been having these issues on 64bit vista, I don't believe my wife has had the same issue on 64bit win7 though. I have not seen the legend you are talking about, just the problem with gmail. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer dropped dead overnight
At 10:30 AM 1/31/2009, you wrote: If there is a fuse in the power supply (and they are not easy to get at), and it is blown, replacing it probably won't help - they are so cheaply built these days that a component failure is final. Assuming that your power supply is a standard form factor (size, mounting screws, connectors, etc.), it is easier and cheaper to just replace it ($10-15 from Internet suppliers). I routinely pull the power supplies out of dead machines and inventory them for future replacements. Mike even wrong form factor will go, if you can get a couple of screws in. pull off the side, turn the machine on, and with a vom see if there is any voltage life at all. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Scanned
Brilliant matchbox tutorial, why can't everything digital be explained with this level of lucidity? Thanks, Betty --- On Fri, 1/30/09, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Scanned To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 8:03 PM Chad Czech, Slovak, Hungarian, Polish, Lithuanian are all included in Mac international keyboards. I think they need to be Unicode CE fonts othewise all the diacriticals may not display. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Your removal from the COMPUTERGUYS-L list
Here is the answer from my ISP Terra:... Marcio, Thanks for letting us know how you are doing. I have not seen you in the bounce report since I restored you so I'm assuming you are now getting CGUYS mail (a mixed blessing these days). So their response was just legalistic BS. The proper response from Terra would have been Sorry we made a mistake. We fixed it. We apologize for inconveniencing you. It won't happen again. First question is if Terra is one of those Brazilian companies that will send people around to break your arms if you stop doing business with them? Second question is if there are any reasonable alternatives? Clearly Terra is not doing its job and they don't care. You should not give business to them. At a minimum you should not entrust your email to such a badly run system. Of the free alternatives, GMail is currently the best run and has the best chance of staying in business for a long time. Also, from a technical point of view, moving your email into the cloud is the smart thing to do. Moving an email address can require many months (or years) for everyone to get clued in to you new address so it is better to act sooner rather than later. Eventually you should just forward your Terra address to GMail to sweep up the stragglers. Tom * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google weirdness and Firefox on Windows?
I've seen the warning about the sites harming my computer just this morning. Kyle Graybeal At 10:48 AM 1/31/2009 -0500, you wrote: I have been running Ubuntu the last couple of days and just switched to Windows. Two weird problems with Google on Firefox (3.0.5): gmail would not load all the way in standard mode (html mode is OK). The progress bar goes to about 98% and hangs. Both my account and my wife's When doing a web search, every site bears the legend this site may harm your computer. None of these phenomena are occurring in Chrome. Has anybody else seen this? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google weirdness and Firefox on Windows?
yep. had to use ms ie explorer. At 10:48 AM 1/31/2009, you wrote: I have been running Ubuntu the last couple of days and just switched to Windows. Two weird problems with Google on Firefox (3.0.5): gmail would not load all the way in standard mode (html mode is OK). The progress bar goes to about 98% and hangs. Both my account and my wife's When doing a web search, every site bears the legend this site may harm your computer. None of these phenomena are occurring in Chrome. Has anybody else seen this? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google weirdness and Firefox on Windows?
I saw it under Safari this morning. On Jan 31, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Kyle R. Graybeal wrote: I've seen the warning about the sites harming my computer just this morning. Kyle Graybeal At 10:48 AM 1/31/2009 -0500, you wrote: I have been running Ubuntu the last couple of days and just switched to Windows. Two weird problems with Google on Firefox (3.0.5): gmail would not load all the way in standard mode (html mode is OK). The progress bar goes to about 98% and hangs. Both my account and my wife's When doing a web search, every site bears the legend this site may harm your computer. None of these phenomena are occurring in Chrome. Has anybody else seen this? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
John Emmerling wrote: Some general observations (I make some assertions without proof, feel free to provide contradictory data): 1.) Compared to other western countries, Americans are significantly more religious. Religious folk seem to see life's problems as being between themselves and God, and don't have much use for the government. BTW I don't mean this as a criticism. I don't think it's rational to view life through a God lens, or make decisions based on religious beliefs. The middle east is what you may get. 2.) The US has always embraced small town and rural culture and disdained urban life. I don't agree. Rural and small-town people typically depend on themselves, their family, and their neighbors for survival, and don't have much use for the government. The rural areas of Europe do this to a far greater degree than here. In other western countries, the urban elite seem to have more influence, and they look down on country folk as backward. And urban existence, with its dependence on a complex infrastructure, depends heavily on having an effective government (go visit Mogadishu if you don't believe me). I believe this is more true here. 3.) Americans have come to expect government initiatives to fail. They consider a career working for the government (except in the areas of law enforcement and national security) as a refuge for the incompetent. Largely a self-fulfilling prophecy. The radical right has worked for years to make people believe this. But it doesn't have to be that way. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] gmail offline
I didn't mean to start some sort of email war. Sorry, but POP and IMAP are yesterday's news. My grandfather's email. An email client that can't work in any browser via AJAX and can't store my stuff in the cloud just isn't worth consideration in 2009. Except perhaps in a historical perspective; I still have a few years of email stored from Thunderbird and Eudora before that. AJAX is a tool to create an online interface for POP and IMAP. It isn't an email protocol. Underneath you still have POP or IMAP. Any IMAP client can store email in the cloud and download copies to keep locally. Tell grandpa his email client is just fine. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
On Jan 31, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Jordan wrote: John Emmerling wrote: Some general observations (I make some assertions without proof, feel free to provide contradictory data): 1.) Compared to other western countries, Americans are significantly more religious. Religious folk seem to see life's problems as being between themselves and God, and don't have much use for the government. BTW I don't mean this as a criticism. I don't think it's rational to view life through a God lens, or make decisions based on religious beliefs. The middle east is what you may get. Wow - for many people religion = moral code of ethics. What should inform their decisions? 2.) The US has always embraced small town and rural culture and disdained urban life. I don't agree. Which part? Certainly the US has embraces small town and rural culture in a big way. As for disdained urban life, certainly a part of US society does and has, clearly another part has embraced it. Rural and small-town people typically depend on themselves, their family, and their neighbors for survival, and don't have much use for the government. The rural areas of Europe do this to a far greater degree than here. Citations please. In other western countries, the urban elite seem to have more influence, and they look down on country folk as backward. And urban existence, with its dependence on a complex infrastructure, depends heavily on having an effective government (go visit Mogadishu if you don't believe me). I believe this is more true here. More true than in Europe with its much higher population density? 3.) Americans have come to expect government initiatives to fail. They consider a career working for the government (except in the areas of law enforcement and national security) as a refuge for the incompetent. Largely a self-fulfilling prophecy. The radical right has worked for years to make people believe this. But it doesn't have to be that way. I am neither radical right nor left. My experience with government, both personally and as a contractor to, has not left me with a positive impression of government. My all time favorite remains being told by the highest civil servant in the NJ Dept. of Motor Vehicles The courts have their opinion, we have ours right after he refused to remove points from my record for citations the courts had found me not guilty of. Matthew * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] gmail offline
Tell grandpa his email client is just fine. Gramps appreciates the vote of support, but are you sure GMail has an IMAP server behind it? Recall that they tacked on IMAP support later. I think GMail has a custom database behind it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] gmail offline
Google was broken for a while this morning: http://tinyurl.com/brkao8 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer dropped dead overnight
If you have a power supply tester, check it; PS failures are not uncommon, and replacements are cheap. Note you cannot check voltages in a standard computer power supply with a voltmeter, as the unit must be powered up. You may be able to swap for one if you have one laying around. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 9:23 AM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.com wrote: Not much to say. A 4-year-old eMachines used by my wife (ironically I had been planning to replace it, but was hoping to wait for Windows 7) was on last night past midnight. When I saw it this morning, it was off and cannot be powered back on. The only power switch is a toggle on the front. Pressing it does nothing. I tried plugging it into a different outlet (it is normally on a UPS). There were no power interruptions overnight, I would have known because several clocks would have been blinking. Any suggestions beyond the obvious? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Computer dropped dead overnight
Is there a fuse on the power supply? So how can one easily tell that it is the power supply? Is the power supply's fan running? Are any indicator LEDs on the mobo lit? You could get a cheap voltage tester at Radio Shack, but that costs about the same as a replacement power supply. Can you patch in another power supply, like from a differen computer? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
False. The poor pay a disproportionate percentage of their income to taxes. You conveniently forget that income tax is just one of many taxes paid. True, that poor do pay a larger portion of their income than the wealthier, but there is no federal sales tax. That is the basis for any tax rebate from the feds. If you don't pay any federal income tax, you shouldn't expect any form of a rebate in return. If the goal is to just hand out checks to citizens, then that's just a handout. Do the neocons have some special Enron-style accounting principle that turns expenditures into income? Get real! If by neocons, you mean the federal govt, then actually, yes. GAO says federal financials too poor to audit http://www.webcpa.com/article.cfm?articleid=10525pg=acctoday If a corporation had such a long record of material weakness in its reporting, its stock price would tank, (U.S. Comptroller General David M. Walker) told Accounting Today. We don't have stock ... but we do have plenty of debt ... . Our financial condition is worse than advertised. Next question? False. That theory has been false for several millennia. Phoenician tablets (1250 BCE) have been found with letters of credit. Every time you use a credit card you are spending what you don't have. Nothing bad happens. Quite the opposite, credit is lubricant for the economy. Ya think? I wasn't saying that credit was bad. It was a continuation of the previous paragraph. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] The Cloud
I don't recall saying AJAX was an email protocol; I'll leave my quote in so you can read it again. But I think you're wrong about classic IMAP. Those emails are in YOUR account at your host, but the cloud is bigger than that. When we store files on a host, we accept the responsibility of backing up those files ourselves. Cloud Computing is not a new concept, but it's a new paradigm that will take some getting used to. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:26 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I didn't mean to start some sort of email war. Sorry, but POP and IMAP are yesterday's news. My grandfather's email. An email client that can't work in any browser via AJAX and can't store my stuff in the cloud just isn't worth consideration in 2009. Except perhaps in a historical perspective; I still have a few years of email stored from Thunderbird and Eudora before that. AJAX is a tool to create an online interface for POP and IMAP. It isn't an email protocol. Underneath you still have POP or IMAP. Any IMAP client can store email in the cloud and download copies to keep locally. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
For the most part they are. Most people know less about buying real estate than they know about buying computers. Just look at how many people buy Windows because somebody told them to. If they knew what they were doing they would never do that. Do you really think that people wanted to get foreclosed and have their belongings set out on the curb? Is that your idea of fun? People were assured by professionals that they qualified for the loan. They took the word of the professionals at face value. They followed the advice. I have never head any advice to get a second opinion on a mortgage. A person may shop around for a better rate, but you don't shop around looking for somebody who refuses to give you the loan. That would be nuts. Your view is, once again, a hyperunreality that only neocons live in. People shouldn't suffer the consequences for their lack of common sense and basic failure to be in control of their financial well-being by committing to an incredibly large, multi-year contract that they don't understand? Oh, how positively post-modernist of you Tom. At least the moral relativists will never need a bailout for a lack of resources; their capacity to absolve anyone from personal responsibility for just about anything is bottomless. I love the world according to Tom: Due diligence and virtue is for suckers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
Matthew Taylor wrote: On Jan 31, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Jordan wrote: John Emmerling wrote: Some general observations (I make some assertions without proof, feel free to provide contradictory data): 1.) Compared to other western countries, Americans are significantly more religious. Religious folk seem to see life's problems as being between themselves and God, and don't have much use for the government. BTW I don't mean this as a criticism. I don't think it's rational to view life through a God lens, or make decisions based on religious beliefs. The middle east is what you may get. Wow - for many people religion = moral code of ethics. What should inform their decisions? Either you are moral or you are not. It comes from empathy. There is even some evidence that there is a genetic element to this. 2.) The US has always embraced small town and rural culture and disdained urban life. I don't agree. Which part? Certainly the US has embraces small town and rural culture in a big way. How? As for disdained urban life, certainly a part of US society does and has, clearly another part has embraced it. Rural and small-town people typically depend on themselves, their family, and their neighbors for survival, and don't have much use for the government. The rural areas of Europe do this to a far greater degree than here. Citations please. For starters, watch travel shows. In other western countries, the urban elite seem to have more influence, and they look down on country folk as backward. And urban existence, with its dependence on a complex infrastructure, depends heavily on having an effective government (go visit Mogadishu if you don't believe me). I believe this is more true here. More true than in Europe with its much higher population density? The need for a good government can be more important in rural areas where there is less economic incentive for developing infrastructure. Again travel shows and reading about communities and social structure in Europe show a respect for farmers and what they do and how they do it. The general population in Europe is much more interested in good healthy food than here. 3.) Americans have come to expect government initiatives to fail. They consider a career working for the government (except in the areas of law enforcement and national security) as a refuge for the incompetent. Largely a self-fulfilling prophecy. The radical right has worked for years to make people believe this. But it doesn't have to be that way. I am neither radical right nor left. My experience with government, both personally and as a contractor to, has not left me with a positive impression of government. Then Bush and the boys were successful! If you want to see documentation of this, read _The Wrecking Crew_ by Thomas Frank or check out this article about the book: http://harpers.org/archive/2008/08/0082132 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
It was a natural (and expected) correction to an artificially inflated market. Plenty of blame to go around. But, you go right ahead with your banker fetish. Once again you cherry pick examples and omit the critical part of the big picture. The major part of the housing crisis was triggered by banks that were too quick to foreclose. If they had worked out the mortgages, most of the houses would still be occupied and money would be flowing to the banks. Instead they foreclosed and now have bupkis. The rest of us are hurt because there are too many empty houses on the market. The situation will self-correct in phase II. The now empty houses are now being raided by scavengers. First they pull the appliances. Then they come back for building parts. Third pass rips out the electric wiring for the copper and any metal plumbing. The resulting house is unsellable and uneconomic to repair. Local communities need to get tough on these banks. They need to send out building inspectors and levy hevy fines on banks that fail to maintain the property they own. For many communities this would be a money maker. A fine capitalistic incentive to enforce the laws. Bankers are idiots. They should be compelled to give back the fat bonuses they paid themselves. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
True, that poor do pay a larger portion of their income than the wealthier, but there is no federal sales tax. That is the basis for any tax rebate from the feds. If you don't pay any federal income tax, you shouldn't expect any form of a rebate in return. A tax is a tax. There is no rational reason to divide up all kinds of different taxes to say that this one counts and this one doesn't count. It is a false distinction created for the sole purpose of getting the result you desire. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
That happens in Europe the same as here. That is a low level Civil Servant trying to impress you with the power they do not really have but wish they do. Stewart At 11:30 AM 1/31/2009, you wrote: I am neither radical right nor left. My experience with government, both personally and as a contractor to, has not left me with a positive impression of government. My all time favorite remains being told by the highest civil servant in the NJ Dept. of Motor Vehicles The courts have their opinion, we have ours right after he refused to remove points from my record for citations the courts had found me not guilty of. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If you don't pay any federal income tax, you shouldn't expect any form of a rebate in return. If the goal is to just hand out checks to citizens, then that's just a handout. Jeff, that's true, and that is the plan--as long as you drop the word income from the sentence. It should read If you don't pay any federal tax, not If you don't pay any federal income tax Income tax is only one of the federal taxes. There is also Social Security and Medicare. As I've said, there's no plan to rebate anyone more than they paid in federal taxes. (And that is not to mention the federal excise taxes like the one on gas. I doubt that there is a working family in the US--and they are the targets of the rebates--that didn't pay more than the planned rebate amounts in one federal tax or another.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom Piwowar wrote: It was a natural (and expected) correction to an artificially inflated market. Plenty of blame to go around. But, you go right ahead with your banker fetish. Once again you cherry pick examples and omit the critical part of the big picture. The major part of the housing crisis was triggered by banks that were too quick to foreclose. If they had worked out the mortgages, most of the houses would still be occupied and money would be flowing to the banks. Instead they foreclosed and now have bupkis. The rest of us are hurt because there are too many empty houses on the market. The situation will self-correct in phase II. The now empty houses are now being raided by scavengers. First they pull the appliances. Then they come back for building parts. Third pass rips out the electric wiring for the copper and any metal plumbing. The resulting house is unsellable and uneconomic to repair. Local communities need to get tough on these banks. They need to send out building inspectors and levy hevy fines on banks that fail to maintain the property they own. For many communities this would be a money maker. A fine capitalistic incentive to enforce the laws. Bankers are idiots. They should be compelled to give back the fat bonuses they paid themselves. But, of course, this was all caused by deregulation and blinders about the results. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Some of the worst of these offenders were not banks but mortgage brokerage companies. One such company is now owned by BA called Country Wide. There were a few others, but they specialized in mortgages with tricks, teaser rates, ARM's etc. They had their helpers in some local bankers etc. We disdain national banks, but they seem to be better regulated. Canada did not have this problem and they operate almost exclusively with National Banks. They also do their mortgages a little differently. One word seemed to be operable in all this GREED. Like the few folks (And there is a long list) who have gotten ripped off by Financial Con Artists. When you talk to them they will tell you how nice the guys were etc. etc. But what they are not telling you is the reason they invested with these folks is that they promised higher than normal return rates (Much higher than the current markets) and because they wanted those return rates they invested. Now you can condemn these rip off artists for what they were, and the regulators for not seeing or for looking the other way when this was going on. But greed gets you in the end each and every time. Stewart At 12:18 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Once again you cherry pick examples and omit the critical part of the big picture. The major part of the housing crisis was triggered by banks that were too quick to foreclose. If they had worked out the mortgages, most of the houses would still be occupied and money would be flowing to the banks. Instead they foreclosed and now have bupkis. The rest of us are hurt because there are too many empty houses on the market. The situation will self-correct in phase II. The now empty houses are now being raided by scavengers. First they pull the appliances. Then they come back for building parts. Third pass rips out the electric wiring for the copper and any metal plumbing. The resulting house is unsellable and uneconomic to repair. Local communities need to get tough on these banks. They need to send out building inspectors and levy hevy fines on banks that fail to maintain the property they own. For many communities this would be a money maker. A fine capitalistic incentive to enforce the laws. Bankers are idiots. They should be compelled to give back the fat bonuses they paid themselves. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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As a consequence, Americans don't see themselves as getting much return for their tax dollars, and so they basically feel they are being robbed. I am not prepared to say whether they are right or wrong. Having grown up and lived all my life in the US, it always amazes me that people in countries like France are not afraid to trust their health care entirely to government employees. On the other hand, I can't ignore the ample evidence that supports this conclusion. Over the years I have had several encounters eith European health care. It has been uniformly good. It has been uniformly available even on weekends and evening hours when it would have been hard to get in the USA. The biggest negative has been some good natured chiding about how health care is managed in the USA. The chiding came with apologies that they had to chage for service because we were Americans. The 'high fee' imposed was close to the co-pay extracted from me by my US insurer (I didn't tell them that). Too many people in this country are victims of propaganda generated by the corporate interests that are ripping them off. 3.) Americans have come to expect government initiatives to fail. They consider a career working for the government (except in the areas of law enforcement and national security) as a refuge for the incompetent. Largely a self-fulfilling prophecy. Only true when they elect neocons to run the government. Observe how fiercely they fight the President to assure that the government will fail to perform. This time I think America will win. At least I hope so. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This may not be it but it has happened to me. After having something very similar happen to me. I swapper power cords with something else and tried plugging it in. It worked. Don't ask me why but it does happen. I only wish all problems were that easy. Stewart At 11:50 AM 1/31/2009, you wrote: So how can one easily tell that it is the power supply? Is the power supply's fan running? Are any indicator LEDs on the mobo lit? You could get a cheap voltage tester at Radio Shack, but that costs about the same as a replacement power supply. Can you patch in another power supply, like from a differen computer? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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People shouldn't suffer the consequences for their lack of common sense and basic failure to be in control of their financial well-being by committing to an incredibly large, multi-year contract that they don't understand? I love the world according to Tom: Due diligence and virtue is for suckers. You keep on and on, again and again, cherry picking and ignoring the full picture so you can make more bizarre points. When someone goes to buy a house and they go to bank after bank and every bank is offering them similar terms they are doing due diligence. If you go to the doctor and get told that you are in fine health do you demand a second opinion? People who do that are usually labeled as nuts. But lets say, for the sake of argument, that you go to three doctors and they all say you are in fine health. Do you keep looking for a doctor that will tell you that you are at death's door? You are criticizing people who did do the right, rational thing. You say they should have done something that would have been perfectly irrational. The bankers who gave the wrong assessment are guilty of malpractice at the front end of the problem. The same bankers are guilty of malfeasance for failing to take responsibility for the problem their bad assessment created. Finally they are guilty of stupidity for not working out the mortgages and foreclosing. It is time to roll out the guillotine! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMInSfanqg On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Jordan jor17...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Piwowar wrote: It was a natural (and expected) correction to an artificially inflated market. Plenty of blame to go around. But, you go right ahead with your banker fetish. Once again you cherry pick examples and omit the critical part of the big picture. The major part of the housing crisis was triggered by banks that were too quick to foreclose. If they had worked out the mortgages, most of the houses would still be occupied and money would be flowing to the banks. Instead they foreclosed and now have bupkis. The rest of us are hurt because there are too many empty houses on the market. The situation will self-correct in phase II. The now empty houses are now being raided by scavengers. First they pull the appliances. Then they come back for building parts. Third pass rips out the electric wiring for the copper and any metal plumbing. The resulting house is unsellable and uneconomic to repair. Local communities need to get tough on these banks. They need to send out building inspectors and levy hevy fines on banks that fail to maintain the property they own. For many communities this would be a money maker. A fine capitalistic incentive to enforce the laws. Bankers are idiots. They should be compelled to give back the fat bonuses they paid themselves. But, of course, this was all caused by deregulation and blinders about the results. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Like the few folks (And there is a long list) who have gotten ripped off by Financial Con Artists. When you talk to them they will tell you how nice the guys were etc. etc. But what they are not telling you is the reason they invested with these folks is that they promised higher than normal return rates (Much higher than the current markets) and because they wanted those return rates they invested. Now you can condemn these rip off artists for what they were, and the regulators for not seeing or for looking the other way when this was going on. But greed gets you in the end each and every time. So reverend, is wanting to have a decent house to raise your family now become a sin of avarice? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I apologize to those who are sick of seeing non-computer stuff here. Tolerated because it proves that we have established a real community. We had a similar tear after 9/11. It took a few weeks to peter out and I think most of us were better for it happening. And our computer business continues unabated. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Glad to provide some clarity. Now, will you find us a place to stay in Praha? HAHAHA [and a translator] Betty Brilliant matchbox tutorial, why can't everything digital be explained with this level of lucidity? Thanks, Betty --- On Fri, 1/30/09, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: From: b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Scanned To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 8:03 PM Chad Czech, Slovak, Hungarian, Polish, Lithuanian are all included in Mac international keyboards. I think they need to be Unicode CE fonts othewise all the diacriticals may not display. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Hey I might know some folks there who could help you! If your translation is the same one I had gotten. Stewart At 01:05 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Glad to provide some clarity. Now, will you find us a place to stay in Praha? HAHAHA [and a translator] Betty Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It has everything with who the primary producer of wealth is. You have to get past this notion that all the toys belong to you. Your kindergarden teacher is going to send a note to your parents that you do not play well with others. I know this is going to be a hard breakthrough for you, but once you get past the notion that all the toys belong to you it is going to be a lot better. Think of it another way. If what you stated were true you would be obligated to give all your assets to the church. Disagree - the level of taxation must be balanced against the perceived needs of good governance, lest the a majority decide that good governance means taxing the wealth of the minority to deliver services to the majority. False distinction. By definition excessive taxation would not be good governance. This argument is only a means to short change the needs of good governance. You deny good governance and then use that to argue for evil. Agreed - but government is not the only agent or means of civilization. I also mentioned the church. What do you want to add to the list? How is a presumptive preference for letting labor keep the fruits of that labor where possible equal to being a looter? A looter takes but does not produce wealth - sort of like government now that I think about it The presumptive preference for not contributing one's fair share is equal to being a looter. If you were to move to a mountain top. Cut yourself totally from civilization. Hunt and grow your own food with your bare hands. Make your own clothes. Etc. Etc. The your fair share would be greatly reduced. And (gosh!) you would not be expected to pay any taxes. No, I don't want everything you claim to be a benefit and don't want to have to pay for roles a government should not take on. Roles -- that in your opinion -- government should not take on. Here we are again. Your kindergarden teachers have failed you. Perhaps your school dustrict did not have enough resources to have done a good job? You can't be that stupid, so why make such absurd statements. Zimbabwe is the ultimate example of government existing only to perpetuate itself rather than serve the population. Zimbabwe has no functioning government. But if you want to defend Mugabe then we can pick Somalia instead. Go to a land where there is no functioning government as see how good life is. See first hand what taxes pay for. Then how can the Europeans provide better health care at a much lower cost? Prove they do - not in the aggregate, but compared to what can be purchased on the open market here. Consider time to deliver services in your argument I responded with some of my 1st hand experience in another post. I'm not going to write a dissertation to respond to your inability to look up facts. Start with the reference materials cited by Jordan. You mean providing a service that others are willing to pay for? All corporations are greedy on some level, if by greed you mean want to prosper. You seem unwilling to make necessary distinctions... greed n. An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth. Transportation, health care, education, law enforcement, etc. etc. None of those meet the criteria I gave. That is expected. You would deny any an all good examples. Example of a self-defined neocon doing either please. Remember I am not one. The newspapers were full of such in 2008. The neocons were even threatening Congressional investigation of our local governments. You can Google as well as I can. Read and learn. Recognize the name Barney Frank? Chris Dodd? They, not Bush, blocked serious reform of Fannie and Freddie on more than one occasion. These organizations have been under attack for many years. The attacks were funded by those Wall Street banks that have brought us to ruin. They thought they were not getting enough of the profits. They wanted them all. Barney Frank is a very smart (and often very funny) man who we are blessed to have during this trying time. Citations please. Remember I did not vote for Bush - I am no fan of his, but I don't see his fingerprints on the housing mess. Once again, I'm not going to write a dissertation to respond to your inability to look up facts. No, that happens when government runs by your rules - picking winners and losers. Set asides for protected groups. Income redistribution as an end to itself. Government as an agent of social engineering. Well at least you did not bring up eugenics. Your toss out these terms like they were boogeymen. Giving a poor person a hand up becomes income redistribution. Trying to right a crashed economy becomes social engineering. You need to stop hyperventilating. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,
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I am pretty sure 90% of those who lost their homes worked very hard for them and got screwed and the full weight of the law must come down on the swindlers who call themselves mortgage brokers and bankers. Thank you. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxMInSfanqg Dishonest selection of sound clips. When the neocons were speaking of regulation they were seeking to tilt the mortgage business more in favor of their clients, the Wall Street banks. If they had succeeded the current mess would have probably come sooner and would have probably been bigger. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Smart enough to help get us here, you should try watching all the cspan videos of Barney Frank sputtering about how he can't understand how fannie and freddie ever happened with him at the helm. He's real funny. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: These organizations have been under attack for many years. The attacks were funded by those Wall Street banks that have brought us to ruin. They thought they were not getting enough of the profits. They wanted them all. Barney Frank is a very smart (and often very funny) man who we are blessed to have during this trying time. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom I can give you the theological argument on why that could be true. Theologically we are just stewards of what God has given us. Anytime you want to delve into theology would be glad to. :-) Stewart At 01:49 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Think of it another way. If what you stated were true you would be obligated to give all your assets to the church. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I don't think it's rational to view life through a God lens, or make decisions based on religious beliefs. The middle east is what you may get. Again an inability to make the necessary distinctions to successfully navagate life. The problem in the Middle East is extremeists who have hijacked religion in support of their radical agendas. Talk to any genuine religious leader and they will tell you that the extremeists have nothing to do with their religion, aften taking stands that directly oppose recognized religious teaching. Of course neocons, being extremeists themselves, will tend to congregate with other extremists. They feel a common solidarity. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The hardest hit areas tended to be the coasts and close areas where housing prices escalated to the sky. We have had some where I live but not nearly the amount on the east or west coast. I will also note our standard of living is way below either of the coasts also. The minimum wage is the starting wage here for many jobs. I am considered well paid for what I make. If only that were true. Stewart At 01:51 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: I am pretty sure 90% of those who lost their homes worked very hard for them and got screwed and the full weight of the law must come down on the swindlers who call themselves mortgage brokers and bankers. Thank you. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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As for looking for another war, it is Obama who campaigned on moving all of our troops out of Iraq into Afghanistan, where the real war is. He also stated that he would attack Taliban within the borders of Pakistan, and, as president, he has continued the practice of drones firing missiles at them in Pakistan. Sounds like war to me. Is Obama a neocon? It takes a while to unwind a mess responsibly. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Only MS? In what way? On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Hopefully this can get us back on track. The RIAA not wanting the case heard in the public eye? I think we are approaching the end of an era. It is unfortunate for the music cartel that in the intervening years they have not put in the effort to develop a new business model. These days about the only company still interested in DRM is Microsoft. An interesting development is the proliferation of artist's private web sites, used to sell their music directly to their fans. The music cartel is getting hit from both sides. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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What is going on in Zimbabwe is just this side of ultimate chaos. It is sad that one mad man can destroy a single nation and not one neighbor nation calls it for what it is. (It is a dictatorship by a lunatic.) That is what limited government looks like. Ditto for Somalia. I call them a neocon's paradise because these are places where neocon dreams have been realized. Yes it is bad. That is my point. Government serves an important purpose. The current peanut-related deaths and the economic meltdown are current signs of this back home. Back when Reagan was slashing the budgets for food inspection I was grumbling to my wife that people were going to die. She was upset at me for being so constantly gloomy. Now we have seen wave after wave of deaths caused by a belief that the government is the problem. It wasn't. It isn't. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It is all about power and retaliation. What many folks do not know is that many Israeli's are not religious Israeli's. The conservative Rabbi's rail against this all the time. In Islam there is no central authority and many of the Rabid Radical Imam's disagree with the highly moderate Imam's. Same thing in Christianity. Many of the Main-line Protestant Churches do not agree with the more radical conservative churches. (See ELCA, PCUSA, UCC, ECUSA etc.) Matter of fact they have come out against many US policies in the past few years. Many wars and skirmishes involve wanting power money. Overall Christianity does not want war or violence. Neither does Judaism and Islam. Overall the majority of Islam is the more moderate type (Sunni). Problem is just like in Christianity, it has been hijacked by the minority who incites and provokes violence. Stewart At 02:11 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Again an inability to make the necessary distinctions to successfully navagate life. The problem in the Middle East is extremeists who have hijacked religion in support of their radical agendas. Talk to any genuine religious leader and they will tell you that the extremeists have nothing to do with their religion, aften taking stands that directly oppose recognized religious teaching. Of course neocons, being extremeists themselves, will tend to congregate with other extremists. They feel a common solidarity. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At one time they were needed to get music out. It is no longer needed. Institutions struggle with the problem of existence. Once an institution comes into existence it will try and justify it's existence even when it is no longer viable. I could name a few other things that come to mind, but wont. Institutional mindset is very difficult to overcome. Stewart At 02:22 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: I think we are approaching the end of an era. It is unfortunate for the music cartel that in the intervening years they have not put in the effort to develop a new business model. These days about the only company still interested in DRM is Microsoft. An interesting development is the proliferation of artist's private web sites, used to sell their music directly to their fans. The music cartel is getting hit from both sides. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Theologically we are just stewards of what God has given us. I wrote if because God got good marks in kindergarden. Matthew 22:21. Note that Jesus also called his questioners hypocrites. That guy had a temper. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So does God just ask Noah! :-) Stewart At 02:36 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: I wrote if because God got good marks in kindergarden. Matthew 22:21. Note that Jesus also called his questioners hypocrites. That guy had a temper. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom the factory this is happening at is 60 miles from me. It is more than just lax government. It is lack of regulation. GREED again because the company did not care about the product it sent out. It has come to light that the company had a shipment rejected by Canada earlier this year. This should have been the fist tip off something was wrong. Again government agencies did not communicate with others. Stewart At 02:28 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: That is what limited government looks like. Ditto for Somalia. I call them a neocon's paradise because these are places where neocon dreams have been realized. Yes it is bad. That is my point. Government serves an important purpose. The current peanut-related deaths and the economic meltdown are current signs of this back home. Back when Reagan was slashing the budgets for food inspection I was grumbling to my wife that people were going to die. She was upset at me for being so constantly gloomy. Now we have seen wave after wave of deaths caused by a belief that the government is the problem. It wasn't. It isn't. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This sort of hijacking has also occurred right here at home. Recent events have given me hope that this trend is coming to an end. The current occupant strikes me as an excellent example of someone who is devout and rational at the same time. (disclaimer: I am extremely secular and poorly qualified to judge devoutness). As for the Middle East, the way to achieve what's been achieved there is not through religious zealotry, but through decades of foreign imperialism, realpolitik, and proxy warfare. In almost no time, you'll have'm clinging to their guns and bibles (qur'ans, torahs) for comfort. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Again an inability to make the necessary distinctions to successfully navagate life. The problem in the Middle East is extremeists who have hijacked religion in support of their radical agendas. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I am pretty sure 90% of those who lost their homes worked very hard for them and got screwed and the full weight of the law must come down on the swindlers who call themselves mortgage brokers and bankers. wrong wrong wrong. a very high percentage of the houses being foreclosed are not HOMES. i'm pretty certain that even FNM/FRE allowed up to 4 home loans. takes a very divided family to need 4 homes. this stuff belonged to either speculators, or to innocents that decided to take their money out of their original home and buy a bigger one, leaving behind a house/building. CA,NV, AZ, and FL has a very high percentage of this. nobody wants to talk about how many of the homes are spec owned. either fnm or fre have 20,000 (forgot which) tenant occupied houses that they are considering allowing tenant to stay. fre or fnm only have 5 total foreclosed homes/houses in inventory. 90 % are not homes. another large pile of the fnm/fre houses were not or even never occupied. these are not homes. this is all spec investment. i spec invested in houses a long time ago. could not get more than one fnm/fre loan per house. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Quitting Google [Was: Corporate Chaos
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit/ http://advice.cio.com/meridith_levinson/lessons_learned_from_people_whove_ quit_google I would not want to work with most of these whiners. Most seemed overly concerned with job perks. One complained that if he stayed for a free company dinner he did not like to feel pressured to then put in some work time. WTF! These people were mostly creeps. I sympathize with the ones who quit because they had a boss who was a jirk. It is a shame they could not find a way to get transferred or axe the bad boss. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] HOME OWNERSHIP
a very high percentage of the houses being foreclosed are not HOMES. i'm pretty certain that even FNM/FRE allowed up to 4 home loans. takes a very divided family to need 4 homes. this stuff belonged to either speculators, or to innocents that decided to take their money out of their original home and buy a bigger one, leaving behind a house/building. Interesting point. If that is the case why does an income-producing property go into foreclosure? Did all of the tennants in these areas get whiped out in a cataclysm that the government is keeping secret? Something else must have happened to cause this sequence of events. What? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Taxes and good life
As for the Middle East, the way to achieve what's been achieved there is not through religious zealotry, but through decades of foreign imperialism, realpolitik, and proxy warfare. In almost no time, you'll have'm clinging to their guns and bibles (qur'ans, torahs) for comfort. Yes that too, but the question being asked was about religion. Big picture it is a big mess. Mitchell has proved his ability to navagate around such a mess when he was successful in N Ireland. Everyone had thought he was being sent on a hopeless errand. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Quitting Google [Was: Corporate Chaos
My brother in law quit google about six months ago...he and his GF moved back to Phoenix...his GF in particular said google was, and I quote, 'weird' and 'elitist'. Course this is just anecdotal. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/18/why-google-employees-quit/ http://advice.cio.com/meridith_levinson/lessons_learned_from_people_whove_ quit_google I would not want to work with most of these whiners. Most seemed overly concerned with job perks. One complained that if he stayed for a free company dinner he did not like to feel pressured to then put in some work time. WTF! These people were mostly creeps. I sympathize with the ones who quit because they had a boss who was a jirk. It is a shame they could not find a way to get transferred or axe the bad boss. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] HOME OWNERSHIP
Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE HE Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE HE Normal 0 false false false EN-US X-NONE HE You can believe the myths you want. However, there is NO data to substantiate your allegations. The data, as a matter of fact, indicates the opposite. I do believe that the next wave will affect the speculators, since the vacation rental market is now drier than a bone- and the shortages felt by those with the second and third homes will now come. Roy A. Ackerman, Ph.D., E.A.The Adjuvancy, LLC From: gerald ger...@slawecki.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:57 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: [CGUYS] HOME OWNERSHIP I am pretty sure 90% of those who lost their homes worked very hard for them and got screwed and the full weight of the law must come down on the swindlers who call themselves mortgage brokers and bankers. wrong wrong wrong. a very high percentage of the houses being foreclosed are not HOMES. i'm pretty certain that even FNM/FRE allowed up to 4 home loans. takes a very divided family to need 4 homes. this stuff belonged to either speculators, or to innocents that decided to take their money out of their original home and buy a bigger one, leaving behind a house/building. CA,NV, AZ, and FL has a very high percentage of this. nobody wants to talk about how many of the homes are spec owned. either fnm or fre have 20,000 (forgot which) tenant occupied houses that they are considering allowing tenant to stay. fre or fnm only have 5 total foreclosed homes/houses in inventory. 90 % are not homes. another large pile of the fnm/fre houses were not or even never occupied. these are not homes. this is all spec investment. i spec invested in houses a long time ago. could not get more than one fnm/fre loan per house. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
It has come to light that the company had a shipment rejected by Canada earlier this year. This should have been the fist tip off something was wrong. Again government agencies did not communicate with others. Or were told not to respond. The situation with the EEOC under Bush is highly instructive. I had a front row seat to the destruction caused to good government by Reagan. They were very sly, finding ways to be destructive that would be hard to detect. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] HOME OWNERSHIP
At 04:10 PM 1/31/2009, Tom Piwowar wrote: Interesting point. If that is the case why does an income-producing property go into foreclosure? Did all of the tennants in these areas get whiped out in a cataclysm that the government is keeping secret? Something else must have happened to cause this sequence of events. What? Just speculating, but tenant's leases are generally a year to a few years. When the market drops, they can insist on lower rent or move to a cheaper place. The market rent of today may not cover the mortgage payment of yesterday's mortgage, especially if the mortgage has reset. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - AP, news groups urge cou
Only MS? I did not write only MS. But I knew that would pique your interest. You got to earn another 59¢. In what way? You need to pay better attention. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
In this case it is becoming clear. There was some criminal activity done by some folks at the plant. (shopping for test results to get product out etc.) Agencies not communicating with others (Shipment rejected at border) And a desire for profits at all costs. The criminal activity no matter how well regulated will continue as long as greed is the leading indicator of how well you are doing. Stewart At 03:23 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Or were told not to respond. The situation with the EEOC under Bush is highly instructive. I had a front row seat to the destruction caused to good government by Reagan. They were very sly, finding ways to be destructive that would be hard to detect. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] HOME OWNERSHIP
In many cases it was a shrinking of the market and falling prices. People bet on an increasing market frenzy and got in over their heads, I guess. Stewart At 03:10 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Interesting point. If that is the case why does an income-producing property go into foreclosure? Did all of the tennants in these areas get whiped out in a cataclysm that the government is keeping secret? Something else must have happened to cause this sequence of events. What? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] HOME OWNERSHIP
tom, i'm not going to dig it up, but the wash post had a large story about the poor lady in woodbridge who has a house in foreclosure. and is now owned by fnm. she upped the mortgage and took the cash to get a better house.(the house was valued around 225-250k). i do not know what she purchased. around 30% of the houses in the original group became distressed(foreclosed). rents in the area dropped from $2000 a month to under $1000 a month(called a dutch auction), as everybody was playing the sell it and move game. she could not afford to pay for her new home, and the house she was specing with $800 rent, as payments piti were around 2000/mo. house was foreclosed by fnm and went into the pile. since we do supply and demand on stuff like this, house is sitting on market at 130k or something like that, while offers are at 80k. this is a bit of a special circumstance, as this is prince william county virginia, where the ruling fathers have decided to export all non-wasps, or at least check them daily to be certain they are qualified as psuedo wasps. they are a bit uncomfortable attacking afro americans, but all hispanics, indians, have been abused to the place that they have left. fortunately for them, most sold before the crash. At 04:10 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: a very high percentage of the houses being foreclosed are not HOMES. i'm pretty certain that even FNM/FRE allowed up to 4 home loans. takes a very divided family to need 4 homes. this stuff belonged to either speculators, or to innocents that decided to take their money out of their original home and buy a bigger one, leaving behind a house/building. Interesting point. If that is the case why does an income-producing property go into foreclosure? Did all of the tennants in these areas get whiped out in a cataclysm that the government is keeping secret? Something else must have happened to cause this sequence of events. What? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] myEarthLink News Article - AP, news groups urge cou
You know I knew when I asked I'd not get an answer...not sure why I bothered hitting send. And you are correct you wrote 'about the only company', but everyone knows how you like to twist stuff so I'm not too worried about omitting the about. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Only MS? I did not write only MS. But I knew that would pique your interest. You got to earn another 59¢. In what way? You need to pay better attention. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- Make sure you support your local CarbonONset programs! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Giving a poor person a hand up becomes income redistribution. This reminds me of a fact that few of us in the US seem to grasp: When the poor can do better and thrive, it benefits society as a whole. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
I prefer to help those who need it than do what many eastern countries do. Nothing. Stewart At 03:48 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: This reminds me of a fact that few of us in the US seem to grasp: When the poor can do better and thrive, it benefits society as a whole. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
One such company is now owned by BA called Country Wide. Who had special interest rates for powerful congressmen who regulate them. Does anyone know where the Senate Ethics Committee is on the investigation of Chris Dodd? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] HOME OWNERSHIP
it's an obamarama! -Original Message- From: gerald [mailto:ger...@slawecki.com] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: Re: HOME OWNERSHIP tom, i'm not going to dig it up, but the wash post had a large story about the poor lady in woodbridge who has a house in foreclosure. and is now owned by fnm. she upped the mortgage and took the cash to get a better house.(the house was valued around 225-250k). i do not know what she purchased. around 30% of the houses in the original group became distressed(foreclosed). rents in the area dropped from $2000 a month to under $1000 a month(called a dutch auction), as everybody was playing the sell it and move game. she could not afford to pay for her new home, and the house she was specing with $800 rent, as payments piti were around 2000/mo. house was foreclosed by fnm and went into the pile. since we do supply and demand on stuff like this, house is sitting on market at 130k or something like that, while offers are at 80k. this is a bit of a special circumstance, as this is prince william county virginia, where the ruling fathers have decided to export all non-wasps, or at least check them daily to be certain they are qualified as psuedo wasps. they are a bit uncomfortable attacking afro americans, but all hispanics, indians, have been abused to the place that they have left. fortunately for them, most sold before the crash. At 04:10 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: a very high percentage of the houses being foreclosed are not HOMES. i'm pretty certain that even FNM/FRE allowed up to 4 home loans. takes a very divided family to need 4 homes. this stuff belonged to either speculators, or to innocents that decided to take their money out of their original home and buy a bigger one, leaving behind a house/building. Interesting point. If that is the case why does an income-producing property go into foreclosure? Did all of the tennants in these areas get whiped out in a cataclysm that the government is keeping secret? Something else must have happened to cause this sequence of events. What? *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
I think you are agreeing with me, but I'm not sure what countries you are referring to. Not that you need my endorsement, but one of the things that the truly religious have traditionally done is provide help for the poor. As You Have Done Unto the Least of These, You Have Done Unto Me Then there's the thing about throwing the money lenders out of the temple. An interesting parallel to our current situation. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I prefer to help those who need it than do what many eastern countries do. Nothing. Stewart At 03:48 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: This reminds me of a fact that few of us in the US seem to grasp: When the poor can do better and thrive, it benefits society as a whole. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom the factory this is happening at is 60 miles from me. It is more than just lax government. It is lack of regulation. GREED again because the company did not care about the product it sent out. It has come to light that the company had a shipment rejected by Canada earlier this year. This should have been the fist tip off something was wrong. Again government agencies did not communicate with others. Doesn't lax government naturally result in lack of regulation. This reminds me of the nasty stuff coming out of China as a result of it's experiment with capitalism. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] HOME OWNERSHIP
this is a bit of a special circumstance, as this is prince william county virginia, where the ruling fathers have decided to export all non-wasps, or at least check them daily to be certain they are qualified as psuedo wasps. they are a bit uncomfortable attacking afro americans, but all hispanics, indians, have been abused to the place that they have left. fortunately for them, most sold before the crash. Well PWCo is definitely a special case. This supposedly conservative county created an intrusive police state. Lots of people (mostly renters) moved away. Their real estate market and local economy crashed. This happened before the national crash. So I guess they got hit twice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Before you think I am biased in one way or another I am not. Me too! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Once again you cherry pick examples and omit the critical part of the big picture. I cherry picked nothing, which would be tough if I did seeing that I was giving a very broad and general overview. How exactly do you cherry pick for a 10,000 foot view? The major part of the housing crisis was triggered by banks that were too quick to foreclose. If they had worked out the mortgages, most of the houses would still be occupied and money would be flowing to the banks. Instead they foreclosed and now have bupkis. I thought that was what banks did when you stopped paying your mortgage, which is spelled out in the contract. Oh well...I guess they'll have to suffer the losses then, now won't they? The rest of us are hurt because there are too many empty houses on the market. You're hurt because your house is now only worth 3 times as much as when you bought it instead of 4? For someone who goes on and on about the injustice of it all, you sure don't give a tinker's damn about home buyers. C'mon, just say it: High prices good, low prices bad. Bankers are idiots. They should be compelled to give back the fat bonuses they paid themselves. No, they should just be allowed to go out of business. That's how markets correct for inept stupidity, which we're now instead subsidizing to a fat tune. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Now that he is president, he seems to see the wisdom in the Bush approach. If you can't see the difference that is another life skill you need to work on. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
So you agree with Bush on the unwinding of the Iraq war, that it should be done responsibly, not the hasty withdrawal that Obama campaigned on. What hasty withdrawal? Here is what Obama said in an NYT op-ed last July: As I've said many times, we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 - two years from now, and more than seven years after the war began. After this redeployment, a residual force in Iraq would perform limited missions: going after any remnants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, protecting American service members and, so long as the Iraqis make political progress, training Iraqi security forces. The Army has estimated that Iraqi forces would be ready to take over this year, but our forces would not be drawn down until next year under the plan he campaigned with. So I ask again, what hasty withdrawal? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
You keep on and on, again and again, cherry picking and ignoring the full picture so you can make more bizarre points. You should not buy a house that you cannot afford. Dear god, you're right, the crazy in that sentence practically strangles you as you read it. When someone goes to buy a house and they go to bank after bank and every bank is offering them similar terms they are doing due diligence. No. When you read the terms of the contract and calculate how much of your income will go to paying for the mortgage every month, and add in your other expenses to be sure that you can afford everything, that's due diligence. When you whine because your ARM adjusts WAY up or your interest-only loan bites you in the ass and you now find yourself in a bind because you couldn't be bothered to think 5 minutes into the future, there are number of other words that apply, none of which are the words blameless or victim. The bankers who gave the wrong assessment are guilty of malpractice at the front end of the problem. The same bankers are guilty of malfeasance for failing to take responsibility for the problem their bad assessment created. Finally they are guilty of stupidity for not working out the mortgages and foreclosing. I feel like I'm talking to Vizzini in the The Princess Bride. All you keep saying is inconceivable! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Google weirdness and Firefox on Windows?
Google borked this AM. http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2009/01/google-broke-the-internet-malwa re-detector-went-haywire.ars -Original Message- I have been running Ubuntu the last couple of days and just switched to Windows. Two weird problems with Google on Firefox (3.0.5): gmail would not load all the way in standard mode (html mode is OK). The progress bar goes to about 98% and hangs. Both my account and my wife's When doing a web search, every site bears the legend this site may harm your computer. None of these phenomena are occurring in Chrome. Has anybody else seen this? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
And China has executed a few higher ups, responsible for the milk contamination! Jordan wrote: Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom the factory this is happening at is 60 miles from me. It is more than just lax government. It is lack of regulation. GREED again because the company did not care about the product it sent out. It has come to light that the company had a shipment rejected by Canada earlier this year. This should have been the fist tip off something was wrong. Again government agencies did not communicate with others. Doesn't lax government naturally result in lack of regulation. This reminds me of the nasty stuff coming out of China as a result of it's experiment with capitalism. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
And the other part of this is the conservative media myth that Obama said that the government should redistribute wealth. In fact, he has never said any such thing... A common tactic of the cuckoo media. They have figured out that their audience is weak on crucial life skills. So they take a few words, move them out of context, add other words that were never spoken, and roll out their fantasy-based ideological prescriptions. Then the economy crashes. World temperatures soar. Food becomes toxic. Prescription drugs kill us. Sick children get abandoned. Allies leave us. Oops. Oh, and the greedy rich become richer. Well at least something works. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Many eastern religions have a fatalistic approach to things. They do not provide as much to the poor because that is the way God meant it to be. Even in Islam they are only to provide alms (I am not sure of the amount but there is no provision such as in Christianity) And in Jewish teachings they are always to remember the poor among them and those who were sojourners. Remembering that once they were sojourners and God took care of them. The throwing money lenders out of the temple is not always understood correctly. First off it was not lenders but exchangers. You could not use Roman currency in the temple, but only Temple money. (Roman currency had idols on it, namely pictures of Caesar) Plus people coming in from outside the area would usually buy the sacrifices there to give for sacrifice. (Saves the transport, plus if it was declared not perfect what would you do rush home and get another one?) So these money exchanging tables were set up to help the people coming in. Problem was they were relatives of the Priests running them, plus they ran dishonest tables (Exorbitant rates of exchange etc.) All in all a good parallel to todays problems I think. Stewart At 05:12 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: I think you are agreeing with me, but I'm not sure what countries you are referring to. Not that you need my endorsement, but one of the things that the truly religious have traditionally done is provide help for the poor. As You Have Done Unto the Least of These, You Have Done Unto Me Then there's the thing about throwing the money lenders out of the temple. An interesting parallel to our current situation. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Wow, I find myself agreeing with the PC guy! Home buyers victims of the evil banks? Give me a break. Oh wait, that's what the victims want for their own stupidity. Let me see if I get this strait. If I work at McDonalds and make $11/hr. I can afford a $4k, 5 bedroom home with a 3 car garage. Ok, that works. Oops, forgot the pool and gazebo. Banks were such a wonderful thing when they didn't care who they loaned to. Then they did that stupid thing, start thinking responsibly. And just when I was thinking about starting to buying and flipping houses. Well there goes that idea. Jeff M On Jan 31, 2009, at 4:45 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: You keep on and on, again and again, cherry picking and ignoring the full picture so you can make more bizarre points. You should not buy a house that you cannot afford. Dear god, you're right, the crazy in that sentence practically strangles you as you read it. When someone goes to buy a house and they go to bank after bank and every bank is offering them similar terms they are doing due diligence. No. When you read the terms of the contract and calculate how much of your income will go to paying for the mortgage every month, and add in your other expenses to be sure that you can afford everything, that's due diligence. When you whine because your ARM adjusts WAY up or your interest-only loan bites you in the ass and you now find yourself in a bind because you couldn't be bothered to think 5 minutes into the future, there are number of other words that apply, none of which are the words blameless or victim. The bankers who gave the wrong assessment are guilty of malpractice at the front end of the problem. The same bankers are guilty of malfeasance for failing to take responsibility for the problem their bad assessment created. Finally they are guilty of stupidity for not working out the mortgages and foreclosing. I feel like I'm talking to Vizzini in the The Princess Bride. All you keep saying is inconceivable! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Yeah but most of the people here are anti death penalty. In China those are mostly show executions. I bet the folks really responsible got off scot free, and probably got a promotion too. Stewart At 07:24 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: And China has executed a few higher ups, responsible for the milk contamination! Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
I see big differences in many areas, but I was referring to the policies toward the ending of the war in Iraq and the growing conflict in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I realize its been only a week plus, but Obama hasn't said anything about changing the Status of Forces agreement that Bush negotiated with Iraq to have all troops out of combat in a year, and out of the country in 2011. Fairly close to Obama's position. As for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Obama has said that is the primary battleground in the war on terrorism. In fact, I worry that he would redeploy all those soldiers from Iraq to Afghanistan, as he said he would do, as that would be a real quagmire; just ask the British and Russians. Tom Piwowar wrote: Now that he is president, he seems to see the wisdom in the Bush approach. If you can't see the difference that is another life skill you need to work on. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
You must live down here. A 5 BDRM 3 Car garage in Californian is way over a million. 400K (which what I think you meant) would buy you a starter home 2 BDM 1 BT house in many areas of California. That is what the folks who work at McDonalds were expected to buy. :-) Down here you can get a 5 BDRM/3BT 3 car garage home for 200-300K easily. Stewart At 07:28 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: Wow, I find myself agreeing with the PC guy! Home buyers victims of the evil banks? Give me a break. Oh wait, that's what the victims want for their own stupidity. Let me see if I get this strait. If I work at McDonalds and make $11/hr. I can afford a $4k, 5 bedroom home with a 3 car garage. Ok, that works. Oops, forgot the pool and gazebo. Banks were such a wonderful thing when they didn't care who they loaned to. Then they did that stupid thing, start thinking responsibly. And just when I was thinking about starting to buying and flipping houses. Well there goes that idea. Jeff M Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
If I understand correctly Afghanistan is much more tribal than Iraq, and has a very weak central government. Stewart At 07:40 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: I see big differences in many areas, but I was referring to the policies toward the ending of the war in Iraq and the growing conflict in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I realize its been only a week plus, but Obama hasn't said anything about changing the Status of Forces agreement that Bush negotiated with Iraq to have all troops out of combat in a year, and out of the country in 2011. Fairly close to Obama's position. As for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Obama has said that is the primary battleground in the war on terrorism. In fact, I worry that he would redeploy all those soldiers from Iraq to Afghanistan, as he said he would do, as that would be a real quagmire; just ask the British and Russians. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
And China has executed a few higher ups, responsible for the milk contamination! That's something we could consider doing instead of throwing money at our problems. Doesn't have to be the death penalty, though. We're using excessive carrots and not enough sticks, IMHO. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
Kind of like here with the bail out? Screw up the world...GIVE THEM A BONUS!!! On Jan 31, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Yeah but most of the people here are anti death penalty. In China those are mostly show executions. I bet the folks really responsible got off scot free, and probably got a promotion too. Stewart At 07:24 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: And China has executed a few higher ups, responsible for the milk contamination! Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
The situation in both Iraq and Afghanistan is very complicated. When campaigning, the president had to present a simplified view of this, so as to not leave the electorate behind. However I do believe he and his staff grasp the subtleties as least as well as you or I. I would like to think they would not lead us into a quagmire with their eyes open, just to prove a political point. Ironically, the economic crisis helps somewhat. If Obama gave the impression he plans to kick butt in Afghanistan, but doesn't actually get around to doing so (because it may accomplish very little), the public is not so likely to notice, having bigger worries at the moment. Sorry if I sound like an apologist. On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:46 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: If I understand correctly Afghanistan is much more tribal than Iraq, and has a very weak central government. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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History has a tendency of repeating itself. It seems only the music changes. Whichever country we're in when it comes to the middle east, it doesn't seem to matter. If you're there, you're in a mess. So, you have to decide. You either get dirty or you bury your head in the sand and pretend nothing is going on. Jeff M On Jan 31, 2009, at 5:40 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: I see big differences in many areas, but I was referring to the policies toward the ending of the war in Iraq and the growing conflict in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I realize its been only a week plus, but Obama hasn't said anything about changing the Status of Forces agreement that Bush negotiated with Iraq to have all troops out of combat in a year, and out of the country in 2011. Fairly close to Obama's position. As for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Obama has said that is the primary battleground in the war on terrorism. In fact, I worry that he would redeploy all those soldiers from Iraq to Afghanistan, as he said he would do, as that would be a real quagmire; just ask the British and Russians. Tom Piwowar wrote: Now that he is president, he seems to see the wisdom in the Bush approach. If you can't see the difference that is another life skill you need to work on. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * The friend is the man who knows all about you, and still likes you. - Elbert Hubbard * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
The hasty withdrawal I was thinking of was back in 2007 in the bill he proposed in the senate: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN00433:@@@Dsumm2=m; Iraq War De-Escalation Act of 2007 - States that: (1) U.S. Armed Forces levels in Iraq after the date of enactment of this Act shall not exceed January 10, 2007, levels without specific statutory authority enacted by Congress after the date of the enactment of this Act; and (2) except as otherwise provided, the phased redeployment of U.S. Armed Forces from Iraq shall begin by May 1, 2007. more at the link. This bill would have frozen troop levels (no surge) and the start of withdrawal in 4 months. The change in position you cite, was not part of his campaign as he already had the nomination locked up last July. At that time, he no longer needed to appease the anti-war left and he started moving more toward the center (in many areas) in preparation for the election. Actually, his new position in July proves my point that his ending the involvement in Iraq isn't that much different from Bush, especially since he hedges his 2010 date by saying he will consider the recommendations of his military leaders. I'm not worried at all about Obama's handling of the Iraq wind down as he most certainly won't do anything to jeopardize the major improvements in both the security and political situations. (Last time I looked at the news, todays provincial elections went well; no violence.) Chris Dunford wrote: So you agree with Bush on the unwinding of the Iraq war, that it should be done responsibly, not the hasty withdrawal that Obama campaigned on. What hasty withdrawal? Here is what Obama said in an NYT op-ed last July: As I've said many times, we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 - two years from now, and more than seven years after the war began. After this redeployment, a residual force in Iraq would perform limited missions: going after any remnants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, protecting American service members and, so long as the Iraqis make political progress, training Iraqi security forces. The Army has estimated that Iraqi forces would be ready to take over this year, but our forces would not be drawn down until next year under the plan he campaigned with. So I ask again, what hasty withdrawal? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Google borked this AM. They say someone made a single typo. Wow, I did not expect things to be so fragile. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I agree that is a major problem there. I heard one analyst today on CSPAN Book TV say that we would be lucky if we could drag that country out of the 17th century into the 19thG Same analyst made your point and also included the western provinces of Pakistan which are also not under the control of the Pakistani government. Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: If I understand correctly Afghanistan is much more tribal than Iraq, and has a very weak central government. Stewart At 07:40 PM 1/31/2009, you wrote: I see big differences in many areas, but I was referring to the policies toward the ending of the war in Iraq and the growing conflict in Afghanistan and Pakistan. I realize its been only a week plus, but Obama hasn't said anything about changing the Status of Forces agreement that Bush negotiated with Iraq to have all troops out of combat in a year, and out of the country in 2011. Fairly close to Obama's position. As for Afghanistan and Pakistan, Obama has said that is the primary battleground in the war on terrorism. In fact, I worry that he would redeploy all those soldiers from Iraq to Afghanistan, as he said he would do, as that would be a real quagmire; just ask the British and Russians. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Resodding the mall, was Re: [CGUYS] Senate Approves
The reason the Obama campaign got so upset about Joe the Plumber was that Obama told him: Obama said, My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody. If you’ve got a plumbing business, you’re gonna be better off if you’re gonna be better off if you’ve got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody’s so pinched that business is bad for everybody and I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/spread-the-weal.html The campaign was embarrassed by the spread the wealth comment. Sounds to me like he advocates using the tax code for wealth redistribution. Tom Piwowar wrote: And the other part of this is the conservative media myth that Obama said that the government should redistribute wealth. In fact, he has never said any such thing... A common tactic of the cuckoo media. They have figured out that their audience is weak on crucial life skills. So they take a few words, move them out of context, add other words that were never spoken, and roll out their fantasy-based ideological prescriptions. Then the economy crashes. World temperatures soar. Food becomes toxic. Prescription drugs kill us. Sick children get abandoned. Allies leave us. Oops. Oh, and the greedy rich become richer. Well at least something works. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
