Re: [CTRL] Ashcroft a Threat to Freedom of Press

2001-01-16 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:00:59 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Nasty prejudiced words. The truth is the opposite of this piece. As usual, the TRUTH is probably somewhere between the two poles. Jayson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION

Re: [CTRL] Fw: WARNING: New date rape drug used against men...

2001-01-16 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 21:25:36 -0500 flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- All girls have to do is buy a "BEER" or two for almost any guy and then simply ask the guy home for no-strings-attached sex. Men are rendered literally helpless against such tactics. Sure

[CTRL] nothing changes

2001-01-16 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- Naval History Wooden Ships and Iron Men The following is from a tale related by the Chief Curator of the National Park Service, and printed in no less an authoritative source than "Oceanographic Ships, Fore and Aft", published by the Oceanographer of the Navy. It has to do with a

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Ashcroft Christian Nation Speech at Bob Jones Univ. Should Disqualify No...

2001-01-15 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- There is also a general resistance to any more gun laws in the whole west (except California of course). I concur that the 'school shootings' were highly publicized in order to promote ever more rigid gun laws. By highly publicizing the first 1 or 2, the media actually CAUSED

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Ashcroft Christian Nation Speech at Bob Jones Univ. Should Disqualify No...

2001-01-15 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- They are doing it here in Oregon too. Funny, but I was wondering if this is a subtle ad campaign to promote christianity and the republican party. Gee, could they be that devious? On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 17:37:30 -0500 Damaeus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 14

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Mental disorders set to rise, UN says

2001-01-15 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- But the drug companies are making a killing on it. Maybe one reason the gov is so insistant that we can not choose our own medication that makes us feel better. On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:03:58 -0600 Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- June, You are right that any

Re: [CTRL] FW: [RRE]restoring the Confederacy

2001-01-14 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:16:35 -0600 kl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- How does Carl's least corrupt/offensive/restrictive government differ from Libertarianism? Probably not much. Depends on the details. I was just tossing out my core belief. Creeds must disagree:

Re: [CTRL] Global warming claims 'based on false data'??

2001-01-14 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- In my field we use other indicators as to climate temps over time. One of the more important being records of ice in various parts of the world. From all I have seen there is a general warming pattern for the past 14,000 years. Jayson On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 21:31:42 EST DIG

Re: [CTRL] FW: [RRE]restoring the Confederacy

2001-01-12 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 18:33:50 EST Carl Amedio [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/01 5:27:27 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You statement is unquestionably true - however I fail miserably when I try to understand how a

[CTRL] The Resolution

2001-01-11 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- A Libertarian's New Year's Resolutions by Harry Browne 1. I resolve to _sell_ liberty by appealing to the self-interest of each prospect, rather than _preaching_ to people and expecting them to suddenly adopt my ideas of right and wrong. 2. I

[CTRL] Patience

2001-01-11 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- PERSUASION POWER POINT #97 Chinese Bamboo ...retold by Michael Cloud Chinese farmers raise an interesting variety of bamboo. One day they plant and fertilize the bamboo. They water it properly. They water it all spring and summer. No

Re: [CTRL] [endsecrecy] Right-wing idealogue as Att Gen?

2001-01-11 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:22:57 EST "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- If this appointment process were carefully scripted it couldn't have been done more prefectly. Chavez drws fire and takes the heat off Ashcroft. Many think her appointment was intended to

Re: [CTRL] Lets Not Return to Peyton Place

2001-01-11 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:06:32 EST "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 01/11/2001 11:45:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh Prudy, was JFK a sodomist? I am sure if he had been, it would have been reported by the press I'd bet

Re: [CTRL] Would you strip to beat a DWI ticket?

2001-01-09 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 20:47:06 -0500 Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- So Jayson, these days things are just not as they sometimes seem to be. Would I strip for $15,000,000 - fifteen million dollars that is - yes, but for $1,200 which would have been drunk

Re: [CTRL] Would you strip to beat a DWI ticket?

2001-01-09 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 17:13:51 -0500 Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- That is an old joke, Jason. Sorry! But you laid yourself bare for that one. (OOOPS I did it again. SORRY) this is why I wonder if there was really a cop involved - he has not been

Re: [CTRL] Has America lost its Goodness?

2001-01-08 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- And that is how it has been for thousands of years. Basic life. Too bad we have been led so far from the path. On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:31:59 -0600 kl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 07 Jan 2001 12:00:03 -0800, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote: In the America of older

Re: [CTRL] Fw: NOV - DEC coldest on record

2001-01-08 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- Don't let the short term fluctuations fool you. Global Warming is happening. Pollutants and chemicals in the atmosphere are harmfull, but in the cycle of weather over the long haul, we have been in a general warming trend for the past 14,000 years. Change is not always bad, we

Re: [CTRL] 93 Christians Killed For Not Coverting to Islam

2001-01-08 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 13:09:55 -0500 Marilyn Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- On 7 Jan 01, at 14:01, Jayson R. Jones wrote: Every time I bring this up in public there is a dead silence. How can churches get away with running for profit schools, factories, rentals

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-08 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- There has been much research that shows the power of the mind over the body. Some of the better known are the studies using cancer patients. The ceremony was part of the cure. The patient believes that the medicine will work and therefore it does. An advancement of the Placebo

Re: [CTRL] Would you strip to beat a DWI ticket?

2001-01-08 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- So your just a more expensive stripper8-) What would it take to get a dance thrown in? On Sun, 7 Jan 2001 14:14:54 -0500 Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Ah Jayson, I would strip for 15 million dollars - two different women now sue for 15 million

Re: [CTRL] Has America lost its Goodness?

2001-01-08 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- Bob, While I don't agree with every word, I certainly agree with the general tone of what yu said. All to often we argue amongst ourselves as to the proper label, to which nuance are we addressing which comment, etc. I truly believe that most people would agree with

[CTRL] Would you strip to beat a DWI ticket?

2001-01-07 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:46:34 -0700 MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- http://www.msnbc.com/news/MSNBCCABLE_Front.asp http://www.msnbc.com/news/512352.asp MSNBC SURVEY: Would you accept a DWI arrest or take off your clothes? Considering that a DUI in this

Re: [CTRL] 93 Christians Killed For Not Coverting to Islam

2001-01-07 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 20:41:28 -0800 Cliff Hume [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- When you are checking out you history of Christianity, also look for the numbers of people who have been turned away from Christianity for the atrocities perpetrated in the name of religion or

[CTRL] DPFOR: New York Times: Another Prohibition, Another Failure

2001-01-05 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/30/opinion/30JOHN.html December 30, 2000 Another Prohibition, Another Failure By GARY E. JOHNSON ANTA FE, N.M. -- While many Americans followed the coverage of President Clinton's symbolic gesture granting clemency to two federal drug offenders

Re: [CTRL] 93 Christians Killed For Not Coverting to Islam

2001-01-05 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 21:30:29 -0500 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Generally this is true...but Indonesia has been having a lot of civil turmoil the past couple of years, and the divisions are drawn along religion lines -- Islam against Christianity

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Foreign Press Views bush presidency as Fraudulent

2001-01-05 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 00:06:52 EST Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- FOREIGN PRESS QUESTIONS U.S. ELECTION He's still George II our unelected president to me and many others. It should be interesting though. If he gets Ashcroft through, AND holds the economy

Re: [CTRL] Art Bell Back on Air Feb 5, 2001

2001-01-05 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- June, what is your problem with Art Bell? He is one of the best interviewers on radio. He also deals with all kinds of things that would never make it on the air, and he deals with them fairly. CTRL is the LAST place I would expect to hear criticism of Art Bell. His

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-05 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:57:15 EST William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- From Sex to Superconsciousness - http://www.truthbeknown.com --- ListBot Sponsor -- Start Your Own FREE Email List at

Re: [CTRL] Christians : Cain and Abel (Conspiracy)

2001-01-05 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 10:34:03 -0600 "Stopforth, Jamie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- if you think it is literal then do oyu really want a god who wants to keep you ignorant- but protects you? give me the apple baby... If the above is an example of your reasoning, you

Re: [CTRL] Californias Power Crisis - a natural result of rampant Environmentalism

2001-01-04 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 21:50:49 -0500 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- From: "Nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] If anybody remembers the contrived gas shortages of the 1970s, Yes, it was later shown that there WAS no 'shortage', and in fact the big oil companies

Re: [CTRL] 93 Christians Killed For Not Coverting to Islam

2001-01-04 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 20:25:53 EST William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/01 4:54:44 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jakarta: Muslims have slaughtered 93 Christians on a small island of the Maluku

Re: [CTRL] Christians and Conspiracy Theory

2001-01-03 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:53:53 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Mythology: other people's religion Dangerous Mythology: Other people's beliefs that conflict with yours. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a

Re: [CTRL] What's ahead for Freedom Lovers?

2001-01-03 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- Bill, I have to agree with this assessment. There are three things that have to occur: 1. a precipitating event, 2. a charismatic leader, 3. serious economic problems. If these things come at the same time, open revolt could well follow. The precipitating event could well be

Re: [CTRL] Netbusters

2001-01-02 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 23:50:22 -0500 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- From: "BB" [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTRL seems to be inundated with graduates of the "How to disrupt a reasonable discussion group and turn it into a disgusting mess of squabblers and

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: The news media and political protests

2001-01-02 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 20:04:35 -0800 radman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- January 1, 2001 | Protests were effective in the 1960s because the news media covered them. Today media organizations often ignore protest demonstrations. When TV news networks do not cover a

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Lima Sex Maniacs

2001-01-02 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 2 Jan 2001 07:58:32 -0500 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- The following came in today from a list which announces the formation of new email lists. Is this a 'conspiracy' to undermine the true tenets of the Libertarian party? June Doubtfull

Re: [CTRL] Shalala won't implement prescription drug law

2000-12-28 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:15:15 -0600 kl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- WASHINGTON (AP) -- A new law aimed at cutting prescription drug prices by allowing them to be reimported from Canada won't be implemented by Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala. In a

[CTRL] Crime and Punishment

2000-12-28 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:15:05 -0800 mirage [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Philadelphia Daily News and Inquirer Tuesday December 26 07:45 AM EST Gun law traps unmeant targets By Amy Worden,INQUIRER HARRISBURG BUREAU Federal law prohibits anyone from buying or possessing

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Invisible Hand: Still Scary After All TheseYears]

2000-12-28 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:26:17 -0500 flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Capitalism: You hire me to build a fence on your property to a specific specification for a certain compensation. We sign a contract. I build the fence as directed. You provide the compensation

[CTRL] Boy Scouts

2000-12-28 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 03:01:51 -0700 MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- http://www.archaeology.org/curiss/newsbriefs/boyscouts.html Anti-Gay Policy Sparks Concern of Archaeologists By ELIZABETH J. HIMELFARB In October, a subscriber to the historical

Re: [CTRL] : Hospitals told to treat patients' pain

2000-12-28 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:15:36 -0600 Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- HEALTHBEAT: Hospitals told to treat patients' pain By LAURAN NEERGAARD The Associated Press 12/26/00 12:48 AM WASHINGTON (AP) -- When you enter a hospital, you have a right to have your pain

[CTRL] voting

2000-12-28 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 15:15:05 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- We want “paper ballot, handcounted” systems under the control of the citizens themselves in each voting precinct. After listening to many proposals, I think I have to agree. The Canadian system seems

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: The Invisible Hand: Still Scary After All TheseYears]

2000-12-27 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 10:05:48 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Under fascism, the capitalist class OWNS the government. Under "communism" the government IS the capitalist class.They're different, but not much. Either war, working people have no say

Re: [CTRL] What Bush Should Do In His First 24 Hours as President

2000-12-27 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:45:55 -0800 Birds [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 07:59:42 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, how far down the list would we have to go to get to someone acceptable? Jayson, with a good supply of ammo. I see you agree!

Re: [CTRL] No suspects? Just DNA test everyone.

2000-12-27 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 13:34:53 - Johannes Schmidt III [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Scores of men living near the scene of a rape attack on a 16-year-old girl are to be DNA tested, police said today. This is a good example of how we get stampeded into passing some

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Peter Dale Scott

2000-12-27 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 16:21:06 EST Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- That is 6:30 PST or this is a program from alternative radio and will be played on many npr and other stations world-wide. This is Dr. Scott's talk in Eugene 6/23/00. I submitted several and

Re: [CTRL] OT - Jason Robards Dies at 78

2000-12-27 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 09:46:00 -0500 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Anyway...Mr. Robards was no ditz when it came to his finances. Turns out that he had been married a couple of times, and each of the ex-wives were granted alimony based on his annual

Re: [CTRL] Drug help request

2000-12-27 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 00:45:58 -0500 Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Holy Gawd Jayson! Thank you! You get an A+ and ten gold stars in by book! A bottle of Irish Whiskey (Tullemore Dew if you please) will do. Do you mind if I send this to other people? No, in

Re: [CTRL] Preparing for the Terrorist Threat

2000-12-27 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 01:31:12 -0700 MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Preparing for the Terrorist Threat By Jon Basil Utley Full article at: http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb1075995 Excerpt: A congressional advisory panel reports

[CTRL] Fwd: A signature to remember

2000-12-22 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:41:29 -0600 Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- I am really curious about something--how many believe these events actually happened? Could I have a show of hands? I don't mean that things like this happen, pedophiles, child molestation, etc.

Re: [CTRL] Panel blames stress for Gulf War ills

2000-12-21 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:06:34 EST "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- WASHINGTON, Dec. 20 — In its long-awaited report, a presidential panel said the Pentagon did not cover anything up in investigating Gulf War illness and concluded that stress is a

Re: [CTRL] Media recount

2000-12-21 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:28:19 EST "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Governor Jeb Bush said he wasn't sure what the media review would accomplish. "Everyone will have their own conclusion, and I'm not sure all this is going to solve anything," he said.

Re: [CTRL] JW: BUSH EMBRACES HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

2000-12-21 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 15:52:45 EST "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- And that's just it--legal harassment. The Republican Party and their good buddies have turned our legal system into trained attack dogs. This goes all the way from Judicial Watch to the

[CTRL] Need Safety Net for Poor

2000-12-21 Thread Jayson R. Jones
re the benefits of our booming economy going? Who will be harmed when the economy turns downward? Who will be left holding the bag when layoffs come? Why? Jayson R. Jones A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational

Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Re: [CTRL] Fwd: 'pres'-elect bush: Takeover would BE EASIER IFIWEREDICTATOR! EXACT QUOTE!

2000-12-21 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 08:27:51 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- I have not heard the same level of malice returned to Liberals/Democrats either That's incredible. Are you reading the same list!?! Has anyone else here missed out on the constant stream of

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [narconews] News on Albany co. that refuses to close Narco News

2000-12-21 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- Keep up the good work Kris. The government is under so much attack from so many angles that something has to break soon. You know this issue is one of my pet GO buttons. I'm sending it around my own network of activists. On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:28:28 EST Kris Millegan [EMAIL

[CTRL] frosting

2000-12-20 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- JAYSON,=20 Here's a lil sumpin't frost your cookies: CDT POLICY POST Volume 6, Number 22, December 18,=20 2000 A BRIEFING ON PUBLIC POLICY ISSUES AFFECTING CIVIL=20 LIBERTIES ONLINE from THE CENTER FOR DEMOCRACY AND TECHNOLOGY CONTENTS: (1) CONGRESS PASSES FILTERING MANDATES

Re: [CTRL] President Bill Clinton Advocates End of Farming in U.S.

2000-12-20 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:50:10 -0600 Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- The agricultural system in this country is the best in the world. WAS the best in the world, and that depends on the meaning of "Best". With a tiny persentage of the population acting as

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: 'pres'-elect bush: Takeover would BE EASIER IFIWEREDICTATOR!  EXACT QUOTE!

2000-12-20 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:03:45 -0800 Vera Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- What a joke!!! Get a sense of humor! Do we have to turn EVERYTHING into a conspiracy? No, I agree with you that not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes it is just stupidity. Let W. make

Re: [CTRL] Secret plan for EU 'Superstate'

2000-12-20 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 05:15:05 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- From: "Lloyd Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Secret plan for EU 'Superstate' Date: Saturday, December 16, 2000 7:28 AM Secret plan for EU 'Superstate' Dec 6 2000 Source:

[CTRL] Arming America has the facts all wrong

2000-12-19 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- Not only does he have the facts wrong, but he has the intent wrong also. After just using guns to secure freedom, does it make any sense that the newly freed patriots would then turn around and want the very citizens that fough for freedom unarmed? Not likely. THe founding

Re: [CTRL] Anarchists

2000-12-19 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- It would seem that we are at an impass. Regardless of the label, one mindset believes that man, left to his own devices, would act in a selfish, greedy, and erratic way. The other mindset believes that man, left to his own devices, would act in a cooperative way with those

Re: [CTRL] Babies on mood drugs

2000-12-19 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- I'm surprised that this comes out of Canada. What do they have to be depressed about? Their country is respected world wide. Their country held an election and accurately reported the results in less than 24 hours. True, they do get a continual screwing at the NAFTA table.

Re: [CTRL] Broward County's War On the Boyscouts.

2000-12-19 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- The opening paragraph sure sets the tone for this rant. In a funny juxtaposition, I just heard on the radio that 2/3 of teen boys admit to sex other than intercourse. Let's get a couple things straight. FIrst, I don't care what the Boy or Girl Scouts do. It is a free

Re: [CTRL] FR: SNEAK ATTACK ON THE BILL OF RIGHTS

2000-12-19 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 04:26:44 -0700 MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- TO YET ANOTHER SNEAK ATTACK ON THE BILL OF RIGHTS http://www.constitution.org/ Author: Dave Kopel End-of-Session Robbery Congress limits civil liberties before going home for the

Re: [CTRL] PROTEST AT THE INAUGURATION

2000-12-18 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:44:42 -0800 Cliff Hume [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- It is real simple. 1=Create a problem. 2=Trump it up to the point of instilling fear of it in the minds of the people. 3=Offer a solution that would bring about change

Re: [CTRL] Anarchists

2000-12-18 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:39:12 -0800 Cliff Hume [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- At 06:10 AM 12/16/00 -0800, you wrote: The problem is that Anarchists believe in self-rule, which man has proven, over and over again, unattainable. This is quite simply untrue. You really

Re: [CTRL] Anarchists

2000-12-18 Thread Jayson R. Jones
at the poorest segments of our society, the minimum wage and blue collar workers. Jayson R. Jones P.O. Box 67 Swisshome, OR, 97480 (541)268-9986 [EMAIL PROTECTED] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange

[CTRL] SNET: GOD OVERRULES SUPREME COURT VERDICT]

2000-12-15 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 22:52:41 -0700 BB [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- I wonder what God thinks about the stalwart who presumed to write in HIS behalf. When I channeled him last night he said it was funny 8-) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION

Re: [CTRL] Commiserations

2000-12-15 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- Mostly, the people have bought into the propaganda put out by the two ruling parties: "A vote for a third party is a wasted vote." I find it remarkably funny that when I talk to people on a one to one basis, they agree more with Libertarians than with either of the Republicrats.

Re: [CTRL] Will of the People?

2000-12-15 Thread Jayson R. Jones
ng it with a better way. However, that is entirely too long a dialogue to go into, and is mostly beside the point in this discussion. Suffice it to say that we have the knowledge, technology and resources to provide a good life for everyone IF we share things fairly. Jayson R. Jones A HREF=

Re: [CTRL] For those who believe the Constitution is a living document

2000-12-14 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 17:44:23 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- The parasitic segment of the population will always be loyal to the government, reinforcing its power. Absolutely true. The rich love government. Its troops keep us from lynching them and taking

[CTRL] No Victory for Bush; Not a Just and Fair Verdict

2000-12-14 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 23:28:39 -0700 MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- http://www.mrc.org/news/cyberalert/2000/cyb20001213.asp Media Research Center CyberAlert Wednesday December 13, 2000 (Vol. Five; No. 266) If you remember the election night SNAFU, this

Re: [CTRL] California Blackouts--What's Going On?

2000-12-14 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:11:08 EST William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- 12/12/00: California Blackouts--What's Going On? A HREF=3D"http://www.whitl= eysworld.com/news121200bp.html"text version/A Just this past summer our local utility company (EPUD) was

[CTRL] Constitutional Convention

2000-12-14 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- ~M, I hope you do research "Constitutional Convention" and report back to us. I have a vague understanding that, in a Constitutional Convention, everything is open to a revote. IIRC any changes go back through the legislatures of the states for ratification. I don't

Re: [CTRL] Jesus was a Liberal

2000-12-14 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:41:32 -0800 Vera Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Mulva, Nessie is an anarchist. He believes we should all govern ourselves. Anarchy: The theory that regards the absence of all direct or coersive government as a political ideal and

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: comments?

2000-12-14 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 16:55:15 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Decriminalization is the only solution. Nothing else will work.=20 More and more people, as well as a few politicians, are in agreement. Decrimminalization, and I would go so far as

Re: [CTRL] To: Governor Bush and Vice President Gore

2000-12-13 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- Laughed so hard I broke my chair. WELL DONE!!! Gotta send this around. Still laughing. Now if we could only get them to do it. Jayson A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list.

Re: [CTRL] Election 2000: SNAFU or NWO Plan?(part IId)

2000-12-13 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:10:58 -0500 Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Freedom from or Freedom of Religion.when those Pilgrims landed on the Rock - little did they know what would happen when the Gentry Landed. Chuckle. So true. A

Re: [CTRL] Election2000: Hegelian Style

2000-12-13 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:01:57 -0500 Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Well Jayson or Jason - It's Jayson, outlawlady can't spell. neither candidate and would be King will be known as Landslide.. Enough to humble even a President to the will of the

Re: [CTRL] Jesus was a Liberal

2000-12-13 Thread Jayson R. Jones
one to wonder about the valididy of allowing it any modicum of power. It is that history that makes me very nervous when I see politicians invoking that same religion as 'the right way' or calling this a christian country. Interesting thread. Thanks Mulva Jayson R. Jones A HREF="http://w

Re: [CTRL] Election 2000: SNAFU or NWO Plan?(part IId)

2000-12-13 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 12:47:38 -0600 outlawlady [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Dear Jason: My father was learning english phonetically when I was born so it is (Jay)(son). I've had to spell it for people ever since. When was the last time you read the Constitution?

Re: [CTRL] ---big group hug---

2000-12-13 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 09:36:13 -0500 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- It's hard for ANYONE on the Internet to 'prove' they are who they claim to be... Whether Duncan is or is not who he claims to be doesn't matter...his posts should be allowed to stand or

Re: [CTRL] How Dare Government License Drivers?

2000-12-13 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 14:36:25 -0600 K [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- http://www.infomagic.net/liberty/vs001208.htm Vin Suprynowicz December 8, 2000 And now ... armed guards at the DMV Constitutional authority for licensing cars and drivers is pretty tenuous, largely

Re: [CTRL] Jesus was a Liberal

2000-12-12 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 00:06:19 -0700 BB [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Steve, where do you COME UP with this stuff?? Are you very angry at everybody?? A few liberals are christians.. Where were you given insight to Jesus' heart and mind?? I can't answer for Steve

Re: [CTRL] BSE from space?

2000-12-12 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 16:22:00 +1100 Guitar Virtuoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- ... and became a Vegetarian. I does however occur to one, that the heathen practice of cannibalism existed long before the recent mad cow hoopla? Which would suggest that this authors

Re: [CTRL] Election2000: Hegelian Style

2000-12-12 Thread Jayson R. Jones
e boat at this time. Secondly, we are sufficiently confused as to our core beliefs because there is no real pressure on us to make hard choices AT THIS TIME. It is like a frog being dropped in hot water; he will jump out. But if you put the frog in cool water, then heat the water up; the frog wil

Re: [CTRL] The most absurd economic system ever invented.

2000-12-12 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:21:27 -0500 Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Farmers can't earn a living. Nurses and trash collectors, can't earn a living wage even though your health depends on them doing their jobs. Teachers struggle to keep their families

Re: [CTRL] The Truth

2000-12-12 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 18:16:32 - Oscar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~alb/misc/truth.html The Truth Good Piece!!! OK, so both you and I realize this. How do we get the fat dumb and happy to wake up? I'm afraid that they won't listen

Re: [CTRL] Demystifying Democracy: And delegitimating the State

2000-12-12 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- I don't think that just seeing through the BS gives anyone power but your closing remark by Andrew Fletcher (1698): "Arms are the only true badges of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of a free man from a slave." certainly points to a reality that is hard to

Re: [CTRL] UNEXPECTED GLACIER MELT MAY DROWN VAST AREAS

2000-12-11 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 07:02:30 EST "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/10/2000 8:51:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 12/07/00:Â UNEXPECTED GLACIER MELT MAY DROWN VAST AREAS Word has just leaked out that the ice

Re: [CTRL] Drinking Like A Revolutionary

2000-12-11 Thread Jayson R. Jones
ugs (and now cigaretts) have replaced rum and tea as THE smuggled items. We have more people in jail (mostly for simple possession of a controled substance) than any other country. What will it take for the modern patriots of freedom to spill out into the streets for a "Boston Tea Pa

Re: [CTRL] Right-Wing Takover Of The Court Almost Complete

2000-12-11 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 12:14:41 EST William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Widely regarded as a fair-minded moderate, Kenneth Starr comes from a movement of right-wing judicial activists who are determined to revolutionize American law -- and are succeeding.

Re: [CTRL] Wakenhut runs Australian Concentration Camps

2000-12-11 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:31:25 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- PROTECTION: PAY YOUR MONEY, TAKE YOUR CHANCE We are a nation of shirkers. We collectively shirk our responsibility to protect and care for each other. We have no ligitimate excuse. We have

Re: [CTRL] Not Everyone Adores Gore

2000-12-09 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 08:17:41 -0500 Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- The Rich have extracted about as much as they could from this extended cycle, and now the rest of us will have to take it in the neck. It's my speculation that this downturn will be

Re: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] RE: [CTRL] Fw: [CTRL] Fwd: Names of Participants in MiamiRiot

2000-12-09 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:00:11 -0800 Nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- Since neither side will have more than about a 40% support base of the voters,=20 And that's just the voters. Remember, more than half of us didn't vote. If you don't think we're part of the

Re: [CTRL] Fla. Legislature Convenes

2000-12-09 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 09:13:48 EST "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- ``Much of the world is watching and history is watching as well,'' said Florida House Speaker Tom Feeney, the most forceful advocate for the gathering, said in opening remarks.

Re: [CTRL] _=5BCTRL=5D_Fw?= : [CTRL] Fwd: Names of Participants in MiamiRiot

2000-12-09 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:20:22 -0600 Amelia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- I think there are good and intelligent people on both sides of this election. We are all being cheated! Looks like the Gore/Daley crowd will prevail Chicago-style (yeah, we heard you, Bill, and

Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: [Activist_List] The Rise of Europe]

2000-12-09 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 9 Dec 2000 10:00:06 -0500 Nurev Ind Research [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- November 3, 2000 Washington's Nightmare: The Rise of Europe Globalization is not going to happen. Borders are not about to come down; states are not about to disappear; US corporations

[CTRL] True Believers

2000-12-08 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 8 Dec 2000 03:47:39 -0800 Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- --- William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Van Impe is using the bible as his guide in these matters his opinion is worthless IMHO. Only to those who don't believe in the Bible. Van

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