Re: [CTRL] SOMETHING is going to happen this Friday

[(Charles Overbeck)]

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In a message dated 10/15/99 9:16:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< The Dow Jones industrial average lost 266.90 points, or 2.6 percent, to

close at 10,019 after briefly dipping below the psychologically important

10,000 level. >>

My Gawd -- "psychologically important" -- doesn't that just tell the whole
story right there? If our stock market is only being propped up by
"psychological importance," I don't even want to know where this is headed.

--Charles

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[CTRL] Fw: SNET: (fwd) [AR15-L] Interesting!

[Nicky Molloy]

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On Sat, 16 Oct 1999 01:01:30 -0400, "Michael C. Faiaz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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-- Dr. Gary North


Breaking News
September 22, 1999

We all know the FBI lied about Waco. Government troops blazed away at
the compound from helicopters, amored personnel carriers and the ground,
yet the FBI insists none of their people fired a single shot. Now the
FBI is about to face a new round of allegations, but this time, it's
about Y2K.

One of the longest-running television programs in the history of PBS,
"Tony Brown's Journal," is set to reveal explosive allegations as early
as this Friday. In the thirty-minute segment, already filmed, the former
FBI Special Agent reveals one blockbuster allegation after another,
describing, for example, how the contingency plan to relocate mass
numbers of people is hardly anything new to the intelligence community.
He says, "They prepare to go in and control the public in mass numbers,
to move them to certain locations. They have that plan in effect,
they've been training for years to do that."

About Y2K, the Special Agent says, "Y2K presents a problem because... if
you lose electricity, now you're talking about making movements under
the cover of darkness. ...And they realize... they have an acceptable
loss rate. In these movements during night, there may be some innocent
people who are harmed and shot, but that's acceptable."

Also set to be revealed in the interview: the FBI's "Mad Max" scenario
that allegedly characterizes blacks as "emotional people and not an
intellectual people" who are likely to loot and riot. The Special Agent
adds, "Mad Max would consits of them going in and restoring order by
using military force, by use of the National Guard, and by using HRT
[Hostage Recovery Team] intelligence..."

But none of the allegations to be revealed in the show are a surprise to
the FBI, says the former agent. "This is not even a surprise if you
understand the intelligence community," he says, explaining that it is,
in fact, the responsibility of the FBI and the intelligence community to
anticipate and plan for these kinds of events.

In an interview with Y2K Newswire, the former Special Agent revealed
that if questioned, FBI officials would certainly not deny the existence
of such a plan. They would call it a "worst case contingency" and
explain that their security roles require them to plan for such
emergencies.

Found this at http://www.y2knewswire.com/19990922br.htm

Plans for mass relocations of the population, "acceptable casualties"
and removal of so-called "dissidents" after a declaration of Martial Law
are only a surprise to the American public, not the intelligence
community.

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[CTRL] RABIN ASSASSINATION ANNIVERSARY COMING UP

[Nicky Molloy]

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Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 23:54:21 +0200 (IST)
From: barry chamish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: mike richmond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: jc

Sent to Israeli media:

   RABIN ASSASSINATION ANNIVERSARY COMING UP


The following review was recently published in the Jewish Chronicle,
Britain's largest and most influential Jewish publication.

Author Probes Rabin Murder Conspiracy
Reviewed by Ian Heiss
Chronicle Special Correspondent

   Yitzhak Rabin, it is written on the opening page of this book, was
murdered
on November 4, 1995.
   This is one fact all can agree on.
   After that, according to Barry Chamish's book, there is little
consistency in
the testimony of persons and recollections of events surrounding the
assassination. This is to be expected.
   But why would physical evidence also be at variance? Why would Yigal
Amir be able to inflict powder burns on Rabin's clothing when film of the
event shows Amir at a distance from Rabin when he fired his shots?
According to ballistic experts these powder burns could only have occured if
the gun was pressed against Rabin's body.
   Further, Chamish claims the same film shows Rabin unhurt after the shots
were fired, no evidence of recoil from the shots could have done irreparable
damage to his body.
   The same film shows a back door of the Rabin limousine being slammed
before Rabin entered, or was helped, by varying accounts, into the
limousine.
   The death certificate states that Rabin was shot in the chest and that
his
spine was shattered. Only later did the doctors change their version to
Rabin
being shot only in the back with no spinal damage.
   The acounts of the assassination, according to Chamish, vary widely.
Some heard one shot, two shots, five shots. Rabin was seen by many as not
being hit after his encounter with Amir. This includes several police
officers
and citizens who say he walked briskly towards his car. Yet by the time he
got to the hospital, he was unconscious from loss of blood and suffering
gaping wounds.
   The driver, one of the best in Israel, could not find the direct route to
the
hospital and did not radio ahead. When Rabin arrived, the medical staff was
not prepared to minister to him.
   In his book, Chamish has brought enough data and personal testimony
about the assassination to create a question in the reader's mind as to the
verity of the official version of the circumstances of Rabin's death.
   There are successful assassinations where the murderers never get
caught, but the possible conspiracy to murder Rabin shouldn't be one of
them.
   The author shows strong connections between Amir and the anti-peace
organization called EYAL. This is significant because this front
organization
was created by Israel's General Security Services (Shabak) and run by
Shabak agent Avishai Raviv.
   While he doesn't make a case for the root of the conspiracy to murder
Rabin, Chamish clearly shows the links that Amir has to Raviv. And both the
proximity of Shabak agents at the time of the assassination and the
unexplained lapses in security, are also major failures to protect the Prime
Minister.
   All of them together could be an overwhelming argument for conspiracy.


   Previously, Britain's other major Jewish newspaper, Manchester's The
Jewish Telegraph published a similarly respectful review and added an
editorial column written by editor Paul Harris which demanded a
reinvestigation of the Rabin murder, noting, "Chamish is a writer of renown
who has stumbled upon something which will have repercussions in Israel
and the Middle East for a long time to come."
   Both of Britain's major Jewish newspapers have now endorsed the
conclusion that the Israeli government is not remotely telling the truth
about
the Rabin assassination.
   As have numerous other prestigious publications:

   "Chamish's version is the only possible explanation." - Uri Geller,
London
Times
   "Chamish examines the evidence carefully...His book is strangely
convincing." - Alex Auswaks, Jerusalem Post
   "One must read Chamish's book critically but with the possibility of
acquiring a new perspective on the Rabin assassination." - Prof. Uri
Millstein, Makor Rishon
   "A fast-paced, well written account, perfect for anyone seeking insight
into
Israeli society." - Charles A. Coulombe, Fate Magazine
   "The questions raised demand a reinvestigation of the Rabin
assassination from the ground up." - Asher Zuckerman, Kol Hashavuah

   The fourth anniversary of Rabin's murder is approaching. This year, you
may report the official version of the commemoration as usual, but know that
it is deliberately wrong and that you will eventually be overtaken by
events.
The evidence is in the hands of hundreds of thousands of Israelis who are
saying the official story just doesn't add up. They are demanding the truth
and not reporting this fundamental fact, is the ultimate insult to Rabin's
memory.

Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin is

[CTRL] Extraterrestrial Monolith In Space

[Andrew Hennessey]

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hi,

does anybody here spot the tired old cliches of propoganda ??

Andrew

und zen Kommander Worf und his klingon attack pod ver shown to
zee president who has vull authority .. by Gene Roddenberry

>
>Apollo X Gets Glimpse Of An Extraterrestrial Monolith In Space;
>Later A Secret Military Space Shuttle Retrieves the Space Beacon
>  by Richard Boylan, Ph.D.
>
> The following information was disclosed to me by a reliable
>confidential informant, who
>previously worked on contract for the National Security Agency, and
>maintains connections
>within the Intelligence community. This informant, whom I shall call
>"Jesse", has over 40 years of
>notes from a very close relative, who served as CIA liaison to the
>National Security Council on
>UFO/ET matters. This information has been confirmed by a second source,
>Dr. Michael Wolf of
>the National Security Council's unacknowledged subcommittee, the MJ-12
>Special Studies
>Group. I have talked with Dr. Wolf about the notes' author, Jesse's
>relative. Dr. Wolf said
>that that CIA official "was like an uncle to me."
> The reports which follow are thus not "leaks", but rather based on
>planned releases of
>information. These releases are part of a public Acclimation Program, an
>official though
>unacknowledged U.S. Government policy of "processed release of
>information", as Dr. Wolf
>described it.
> According to "Jesse", in 1969 the Apollo 10 astronauts Stafford,
>Cernan and Young were the
>first to film an extraterrestrial space beacon, dubbed The Monolith,
>somewhat like, but smaller
>than, the one in Arthur C. Clarke's book/movie "2001". They were not,
>however, the first
>astronauts to spot this ET beacon. The Monolith was first sighted by
>Russian cosmonaut Yuri
>Gagarin, the first man in space, in 1961. He was followed into space that
>same year by American
>astronaut Alan Shephard, who also sighted the beacon. Apollo 10 went to
>it, and filmed it from
>every angle. The Monolith acted like a communication beacon. Jesse said,
>"It sort of acts like the
>message received in the movie "Contact". It had a message on it, in
>addition to a map of the
>extraterrestrial civilization which placed it there], and how to get to
>them."
> The Apollo 10 astronauts brought back the message captured on film.
>The Monolith's energy
>affected Apollo 10's instrumentation, so that its crew almost didn't get
>back. As soon as the film
>Apollo 10 took came back to Earth, those Intelligence compartments which
>deal with UFOs were
>busy poring over information from the Monolith.
> The government then used an early secret military space shuttle to go
>get the Monolith itself.
>This covert military spacecraft flew years before the first "official"
>NASA Shuttle's public flights
>in 1981. The spaceplane is operated by a secret military astronaut program
>out of Vandenburg Air
>Force Base, California, among other locations. The second flight mission
>of this unacknowledged
>military shuttle retrieved the Monolith, and brought it back to Earth in
>1972 for study. [1]
> After being retrieved, the Monolith was then transferred to a secret
>research facility.
>Scientific analysis of the Monolith was conducted at this domed underwater
>facility located north
>of Abaco, the northernmost of the Bahamas Islands. RCA Corporation is in
>charge of that
>experimentation research, Jesse says. Jesse stated, "They did it
>underwater, after they saw people
>dropping like flies. They figured that there would be better containment
>[of the Monolith's
>suspected cosmic energy emanations] underwater." He noted that the space
>beacon "has a sound
>to it, like it talks. It also gives off a light show." Dr. Michael Wolf
>shed additional light on the
>beacons. "They are 'postcards from the rim'. They emit both light and tone
>signals, sending a
>mathematical language. There may be five or more ET civilizations involved
>in setting up these
>beacons."
> Among the scientists who worked on it were famed astronomer Dr. Carl
>Sagan, U.S.
>Army Intelligence and Security Command General William Stubblebine,
>(ret.), National Security
>Council consultant Dr. Michael Wolf, and a former division head of CIA.
>Everyone who had
>prolonged close physical contact with the Monolith got cancer, Jesse says.
>"And those who tried
>to dissect it [the Monolith] died right there on the spot." The CIA
>Counter-Intelligence official
>and Dr. Wolf got colon cancer. The CIA man required surgery, but Dr.
>Wolf's cancer later went
>into a spontaneous remission. Dr. Sagan eventually died of his cancer.
> Jesse feels that there are many more space beacons out in space,
>acting as "postcards".
>"I'm sure Mother Russia had one." [2]
> Jesse also revealed a 1973 formula for gravity control, used by the
>military to construct
>antigravity aerospace vehicles.[a] He disclosed that noted quantum
>physicist Jack Sarfatti was in a
>position to be familiar with this gravity formula u

[CTRL] FW: Breaking News on NYC Epidemic (& Malathion spraying)

[Dave]

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Subject: Breaking News on NYC Epidemic (& Malathion spraying)


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 13:47:20 EDT
Subject: Breaking News on NYC Epidemic

Giuliani’s Lies Exposed
about the Malathion Brand Used to Spray NYC
In this article:
*Read for yourself the labels of the actual Malathion product,
FYFANON ULV, used in NYC.
*Interview with the helicopter pilot who did the spraying
*Samples from Queens show Malathion residue on playgrounds
one month after spraying
*Three theories that explain what is actually happening in NYC

By Robert Lederman (718) 369-2111 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

During the 10/12/99 NY City Council Hearing on Malathion and
during numerous interviews that same day Mayor Giuliani’s
Office of Emergency Management [OEM] director Jerry Hauer
repeatedly stated that Malathion is completely safe. He also took
great pains to attempt to discredit Dr. Robert Simon and others
who oppose the spraying, claiming that the actual product that
was used, Fyfanon ULV, which is a concentrated jell form of
Malathion, is also completely safe.

No one in the media or among the general public has to depend
solely on Mr. Hauer or on anti-spray activists like myself or Dr.
Simon for the facts on this issue. The manufacturers and the
NYS Department of Environmental Control have websites [see
below] which contain a great deal of factual information on this
product, including the actual labels from the canisters used in the
spraying. The media has a responsibility to reveal this
information to the public or forever lose all credibility in this
City.

Below you will find the links to each of the labels. We have also
spoken to the helicopter pilot who was contracted to do the
spraying, North Fork Helicopters, John Sondgroth (516) 734
5515. Mr. Sondgroth spoke on 10/14/99 to Joyce Shepard about
the spraying procedure. During this conversation he apparantly
admitted to having not read the labels, not knowing that this
product degrades at temperatures over 77 degrees Fahrenheit and
numerous other failures to properly use the product. According
to Mr. Sondgroth there was no oversight by State or City
officials of the loading, storage, mixing or application of this
product. We have also found out that the spraying commenced
almost an entire month before the required permit was obtained
from NY State authorities. It was shipped here from Texas, a
location where the September temperatures were well above 77
degrees at which temperature the product degrades into even
more harmful substances.

The labels on the actual product used clearly refute Mr. Hauer’s
assurances in the exact same way that the Mayor’s Chem-bio
Handbook refutes both the Mayor’s and Mr. Hauer’s daily press
conference assurances that Malathion is completely safe and
harmless.

The ULV in the products’ name stands for Ultra Low Volume.
What this means is not ultra low concentration but just the
opposite. It is concentrated at a 95% purity in order to take up as
little volume and weight on the aircraft being used as possible. In
other words, those who were directly sprayed and received even a
single tiny globule of the spray on their skin or who breathed it
in received a dose of 95% pure Malathion.

Among the many boldfaced lies being told by the Giuliani
administration is that this product is being used in a significantly
diluted form and that at this level of dilution it is harmless. The
exact opposite is true. According to its label the Fyfanon ULV
form of Malathion is a jell concentrate containing 95%
Malathion and 5% unidentified inert ingredients. According to
the pilot who did the spraying, the jell is aerated by a compressed
air machine on the aircraft into a fine mist. Therefore, it is not in
any way mixed with another substance and diluted. Any droplets,
vapor or mist from this product that comes into contact with a
human, insect, plant, car, body of water or other property
involves being in contact with 95% pure unadulterated
Malathion.

The following are verbatim quotes of just a few key sentences
from the four page label of Fyfanon ULV [Malathion].

“Fyfanon ULV Ultra Low Volume Concentrate Insecticide
Active ingredientMalathion 95% ...inert ingrediants .05%.
One gallon contains 9.7 lbs. of Malathion”

“Harmful by swallowing, inhalation or skin contact. Avoid
breathing spray mist. Avoid contact with skin. do not
contaminate food or feed products”

“Before using read the directions contained in this leaflet for the
proper methods and procedures which must be followed to
achieve effective insect control and avoid permanent damage to
automobiles and other paint finishes”.

“This product is toxic to fish. Keep out of lakes, streams, ponds,
tidal marshes and estu

[CTRL] Russia dusts off nuclear plan

[Richard Sampson]

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http://www.sunday-times.co.uk:80/news/pages/tim/99/10/14/timfgnrus02003.html?999



October 14
1999

  Russia dusts off nuclear plan

  FROM GILES WHITTELL IN MOSCOW
Chechen President defiant to
  Russian threat

 RUSSIA is considering a new
 military doctrine that for the first
 time would enable it to launch
 nuclear strikes anywhere in the
 world. Experts fear the
 document, which has a "first use"
 clause on strategic nuclear
 weapons, could deepen the chill
 in Nato-Russian relations and
 bring back a Soviet-style reliance
 on the nuclear deterrent.

 The draft doctrine, submitted this
 week for ratification by the
 Duma, contains a thinly veiled
 attack on Nato and the
 dominating global reach it
 showed in the crisis in Kosovo, in
 which Russia was effectively
 ignored until 200 of its troops
 forced their way into Pristina
 airport.

 "International security can only
 be guaranteed in the framework
 of a multipolar world," the
 doctrine states in an implicit
 rejection of the "unipolar" model
 under American leadership that
 Moscow accuses of marginalising
 Russian influence and interests.
 One Moscow defence analyst said
 of the doctrine: "Now there is
 nothing to prevent Russia from
 using nuclear weapons against
 any country in any war." Under
 President Brezhnev, the Soviet
 Union allowed a measure of
 detente by agreeing to a "no first
 use" clause. That was abandoned
 in 1993, but even then the newly
 independent Russia reserved the
 right to initiate the use of nuclear
 weapons only against other
 nuclear powers or allies of such
 rival powers.

 This week a Moscow think-tank
 criticised Russia's military
 command for spending lavishly
 on strategic nuclear weapons as
 its conventional forces go unpaid
 or, at best, under-equipped.

 Large sums of money are
 reportedly being siphoned from
 other defence programmes to
 fund a new strategic missile
 system using state-of-the-art
 Topol M missiles. In addition,
 Russia this week finalised a deal
 to buy back from Ukraine 11
 long-range aircraft with nuclear
 capability, an order including
 eight Tupolev 160 Blackjack
 bombers and three Tupolev 95
 Bears.

 Such deals are being done at a
 time when even Russia's frontline
 troops in Chechnya need better
 radios and are backed by
 helicopters incapable of flying at
 night, the report by the Centre for
 the Analysis of Strategies and
 Technologies said.

 Heavy spending on strategic
 weapons marks a dramatic shift
 in priorities since 1997, when
 General Lev Rokhlin, a veteran of
 the first Chechen war, warned
 President Yeltsin that Russia's
 nuclear forces were old,
 unreliable and "destined for
 extinction".

 Returning Russia's nuclear
 capability to something
 approaching former Soviet might
 is considered a personal crusade
 for Igor Sergeyev, the current
 Defence Minister and a former
 chief of Strategic Rocket Forces. It
 is also a cost-effective way of
 demanding respect on the world
 stage, and has had backing in the
 Kremlin since the war in Bosnia
 in the early 1990s and Nato's air
 war over Kosovo. If ratified by
 parliament, the doctrine would
 be Mr Yeltsin's last big
 pronouncement on global
 security and in theory could be
 torn up by his successor. But its
 tone, blamed partly on Nato's
 expansion into Eastern Europe,
 has alarmed defence analysts.
 One Western diplomat noted that
 earlier post-Soviet draft doctrines
 frequently mentioned
 co-operation and joint
 peacekeeping possibilities with
 Nato and its member countries.

 The latest document
 conspicuously avoids any explicit
 mention of Nato.

 Yevgeni Volk of the Heritage
 Foundation has called the
 document a return to "the Soviet
 pattern, the Soviet scheme
 whereby the West was regarded
 as an alien entity which always
 jeopardised Russian national
 interests".

 Wherever Russia chooses to
 deploy its funds, they are in short
 supply. The country's total
 defence budget for next year is
 unlikely to exceed $6 billion (£3.5
 billion) even after extra money is
 found for the Chechen war. The
 Russian figure represents roughly
 one-fiftieth of the Pentagon's
 $270 billion budget for this year.

 Chechen President defiant
 to Russian threat

 Breakaway republic of
 Chechnya's President said again
 yesterday that thousands of
 young Russian soldiers would
 die in the latest Chechen war
 "and their mothers will come
 looking for them". President
 Maskhadov's defiant response to
 a Russian threat to take over the
 whole of Chechnya was delivered
 as much of the country came
 under renewed shelling from
 long-range Russian artillery
 (Giles Whittell writes from
 Moscow). Despite the
 bombardment, Chechen sources
 claimed that their fighters had
 retaken the town of
 Chervlennaya, previously an
 advanced Russian position less
 than 20 miles north of Grozny.
 Troops from both sides are now
 firmly entrenched along the
 strategic Terek River, but a
 Russian advance on Grozny
 seems inevitable.

[CTRL] Seattle to Skidaddle

[earthman]

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Diane posted the following article in the Labmaster Board

Dated  : October 14, 1999 at 17:08:32
Subject: HELLO!- Critical EQ Windows

Look what just popped into critical.  Snuck up on even me. Hint, check out
LS

 >LS-NORTH SAN FRANCISICO TO TIP OF ALUETIANS/+4.8 at S.F./100%
 >PR PR DATE CRT.DATE MAG POSSIBLE LOCATION
 300MS 9/25/94 10/14-22 10+ if off Seattle

This could ruin the plans of the World Traders meeting in Seattle, 30Nov-.
There could be NO Seattle by then.

This is the longest duration PR of any of the PRs across all areas and I
have long wondered at this.  Why should the greatest quake the world has
seen in many years be set for LS?  Will this be the time?  There are two
older LS PRs, shorter in duration and they shoud occur first.  However, they
will not be back into critical until 11/6 and 12/19 respectfully.  Still, LS
covers a lot of land mass and this makes a big difference in knowing the
magnitude.  The 10MM which matched up with the 5.0 in Bolinas could have
produced a 6.6+ in Alaska.

USGS just released a report on San Fransisico today, stating that the city
is on ground zero for a large quake, which they define as 6.7+ and that this
quake has a 70% chance of occurring within the next 30 years.  So much for
EQ prediction.  But that magnitude gives more credence to the remaining long
duration PRs.  The 60MM- could produce this quake in S.F, but not until
12/19 at least.  The 300MS, now in critical, could produce this and much,
much more in force.  At least, a 7.5 in S. F. if my calculating is anywhere
near correct.  We get pass this time and we won't have to worry about this
quake until 1/9.  Which reminds me, there won't be a single PR across all
the areas which will come into critical on 1/1.  But there will be eight PRs
in critical on the first day of the new century.  We should remember that
then.

 >TR-FAR NORTHEAST/+4.6/100%
 Out of critical until 11/19 for anything larger than 4.6.
 >RS-NORTHRIDGE TO SAN JOSE/4.4/100%
 Out of critical until 10/21 for anything greater than 4.4 in Northridge.
 >RB ARC - RIDGECREST TO N. GULF OF CAL./+4.2/50%
 Out of critical until 10/21, which as everyone knows, watching everyday, RB
seldom is.

 >C L. A. BASIN-SOUTH COAST-/+4.0/+50%
 120 3/30/94 10/11-19 +7.4 if Palos Verdes fault

 Some thoughts on this in my post below OK.

 >LB-S. CAL COAST NORTH/50%
 20MS 6/22/94 10/-14 +5.0 if off Santa Barbara

 >B- BAJA COAST/5.0/50%
 Out of critical until 11/2 for anything larger than 5.0.

 >TL-RING OF FIRE/WORLD OUTSIDE OTHER AREAS/+6.3/100%
 45MM 1/12/96 10/8-16 +7.7 if Samoa
 90MM 1/17/96 10/13-21 +8.5 if Alantic Ocean

 >TL S RANGE SPIKES IN CRITICAL: Two S- and One S

 >For my history and 7.0 hits, July, August and September hits.
 >http://www.basicso.com/~diane/index.html


We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
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Bargain Books
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[CTRL] Shapeshifters UK early 1900's

[Andrew Hennessey]

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hi,

the Cottinglea faerie photos taken in an english village in the early
1900's made history.
Two 'little' girls took a camera into the woods beyond their village garden
and were supposed to have photographed faeries.
To the subsequent embarrassment of Arthur Conan Doyle - the images proved
to be painted on hoaxes - and the whole thing hit the dustbin of history as
a fanciful hoax - recently recycled by Hollywood - we are invited to
believe that faeries were possible after all.
Well we've discovered that the Cottinglea faeries photographs where they
currently languish in the darkness of an English archive - and we've had a
real good look at the entire collection.
The painted on faeries were to discredit and divert the attention from an
Incredible fact.
Elsie Wright - according to Dave Moncoeur - AND the tampered photos was
actually a Shape Shifter - who is seen as an incredible size in one photo -
so much so that white paint was applied to her image and outline to make
her look human and smaller 
Yep in the days before photoshop - sometimes the paintbrush wasn't good
enough.
The most famous elsie wright phot is called elsie and the gnome - where
elsie sits on the grass with her rather long very long luminous fingers
pointing at a painted gnome -
The image the public sees is elsies dress with a white puffy elbow - there
simply isn't a puffy volumous elbow in the original - it was painted on and
over elsies rather long gangly non-human arm and her strangely angled elbow
joint !!
This stuff is evidence of an amazing cover up -
we have to ask  who made the decision ??? in 1910 circa

as an aside - Arthur Conan Doyle got a labourer released from prison who
had been convicted of mutilating a horse - Doyle argued that only someone
with real knowledge, surgical precision and appropriate tools could have
perpetrated the deed.

We have the evidence that these beings are a part of our society and have
been for a very long time - sorry it sounds like I'm advertising daves
video - but he got all the images rostrumed - and filmed the incredible
story of Brenda Butler.

Dave has put all sorts of stuff up on his web site  surf.2/dangerousdave
I think he'd really appreciate the encouragement.
he also filmed a lady called Brenda Butler talking about a shapeshifting
lodger called david daniels who had telepathic abilities and was wanted by
the fbi [allegedly for murder] ..
Mr Daniels allegedly a reptile from sirius had a ring of contacts in
northern england  whilst a government official when approached with the
story shrugged and admitted that we were in deep faecal material.

Andrew Hennessey
Transformation Studies Group

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Re: [CTRL] Senators agree on probe plan in Waco siege (fwd)

[Damian B. Cooper]

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At 05:31 PM 10/15/99 -0700, you wrote:

>
>
>Senators agree on probe plan in Waco siege
>
>Panel to investigate handling of case, other investigations
>

- - - snip - - -

>
>"I think it's safe to say Senator Specter is not really happy
>with this," Mr. Hatch said. But he added that the subcommittee
>has a better chance of success than a task force that Democrats
>refused to join.
>
>"It couldn't be effective without it being nonpartisan," Mr.
>Hatch said.
>
>Sen. Robert Torricelli of New Jersey, the ranking Democrat on the
>Subcommittee on Administrative Oversight and the Courts, will
>ride shotgun on the investigation. Mr. Torricelli has been
>critical of Ms. Reno's performance, particularly in light of new
>Waco revelations. But he said Thursday that he is starting the
>subcommittee inquiry with an open mind.
>
>"The best antidote for what has gone wrong is the truth," Mr.
>Torricelli said.
>

Specter!  Torricelli!!  Nonpartisan!

Oh BLEEEAH!  The fix is in.  This is gonna go nowhere.


DBC

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] A Mission for the List

[James Hayman]

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Kris Millegan wrote:

> Here are the known items:
>
> 1. Gantt Aviation of Georgetown, Texas - outside of Dallas which sold
> the plane in question to the State in 1990.

   Georgetown is outside of Austin Texas north on I-35. Don't know
if this is a critical element but I'm not aware of anyplace outside
Dallas named Georgetown.
   I'll see what I can dig up and let you know if possible between
now and your publication date.

   Jim

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[CTRL] Fw: The Internet Spy! Investigate like the Pros!

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[CTRL] Senators agree on probe plan in Waco siege (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

 -Caveat Lector-

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 07:05:03 -0700
From: Ken Chafin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Meanwhile, Attorney General Janet Reno declined to comment on a
report in The Dallas Morning News that the FBI had closed-circuit
television cameras ringing the Branch Davidian compound
throughout the 51-day siege.



Senators agree on probe plan in Waco siege

Panel to investigate handling of case, other investigations

10/15/99

By David Jackson and Lee Hancock / The Dallas Morning News



Senate members ended weeks of arguing Thursday with an agreement
on how to investigate the Justice Department's handling of the
Branch Davidian siege and other problematic, high-profile cases.

They scrapped the idea of a special task force, instead assigning
an existing subcommittee to review the department's
investigations of the 1993 standoff near Waco, allegations of
Chinese nuclear spying, and campaign fund raising.

"They're all important, but the Chinese espionage issue is the
most important," said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa. He fought to
chair the proposed special task force and now will run the
investigation through a special assignment to the subcommittee,
although he said "that is not my preference."

Meanwhile, Attorney General Janet Reno declined to comment on a
report in The Dallas Morning News that the FBI had closed-circuit
television cameras ringing the Branch Davidian compound
throughout the 51-day siege.

FBI documents state that some agents reported the cameras were in
use on April 19, the day that the government assaulted the
compound with tear gas and tanks.

Six hours after the assault began, a fire consumed the compound
with leader David Koresh and more than 80 followers inside.

The FBI has never publicly acknowledged the cameras or produced
any of the videotapes that FBI agents reported during a 1994
criminal trial of surviving Branch Davidians.

Ms. Reno deferred the matter of FBI closed-circuit cameras in
Waco to former Sen. John Danforth, the Missouri Republican named
last month to head an independent investigation into whether FBI
actions contributed to the fire, and whether agents shot at
Davidians during the siege.

The FBI has denied those allegations, which are the subject of a
wrongful death suit in federal court filed by surviving Branch
Davidians and families of the dead.

"I think it's better to - rather than comment -to let Senator
Danforth pursue the issues," Ms. Reno said.

A spokeswoman for Mr. Danforth declined to comment.

But some congressional leaders said the revelation about FBI
closed-circuit cameras at Waco is further proof that the bureau
and the Justice Department have not given a full accounting of
what happened in Waco.

Closed-circuit cameras and any tapes recorded from them "would
provide critical information in overseeing federal law
enforcement and determining accountability," said U.S. Sen.
Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, a member of the subcommittee and
frequent FBI critic.

"So the question is, why would the FBI keep the existence of this
evidence hidden from the public? . . . This report is one more
reason why more expansive oversight of the bureau is needed," Mr.
Grassley said.

FBI officials have said they have not engaged in any sort of
cover-up and that they did not participate in any illegal
activities.

Federal Judge Walter Smith, who is overseeing the wrongful death
lawsuit, ordered all government agencies in August to give his
court every document relating to the incident.

The first boxes of documents began arriving in Waco earlier this
month, and government officials have said that more than a
million pages of documents will be transferred there.

As for the Senate inquiry, Justice Department spokesman Myron
Marlin said Congress has already been supplied with thousands of
documents on Waco, campaign finance, and the China case but will
cooperate with the Specter inquiry.

"We'll certainly try to determine what else we can provide,
consistent with the law," Mr. Marlin said.

The military has estimated that at least 6,000 pages of its
documents are classified, and CIA, FBI, Treasury, ATF and Justice
Department officials have indicated that their agencies have a
number of secret documents relating to the standoff.

The White House is also producing documents, and the Treasury
Department has asked White House lawyers to determine whether
three of its documents may be exempt from the order under
executive privilege.

Many of the documents being turned over to the court must also be
copied for shipment to the ongoing congressional and independent
counsel inquiries, said U.S. Attorney Mike Bradford of Beaumont,
the federal prosecutor assigned to oversee the document turnover.

Mr. Bradford said he met with Mr. Danforth and members of his
staff on Wednesday in St. Louis to discuss the logistics of
producing the huge trove of documents.

The House Government Reform committee has already issued broad
subpoenas on the Branch Davidian 

[CTRL] DRUDGE: STARR TOLD TEARFUL TRIPP: 'NEVER THINK WHAT YOU DID WAS WRONG' (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

 -Caveat Lector-

XXX DRUDGE REPORT X FRIDAY, OCTOBER 15, 1999 00:58:09 ET XXX

STARR TOLD TEARFUL TRIPP: 'NEVER THINK WHAT YOU DID WAS WRONG';
DEPARTING INDEPENDENT COUNSEL REGRETS PROSECUTION OF WITNESS

**Exclusive**

Departing Independent Counsel Ken Starr has privately expressed
deep regret over a state's prosecution of one of his key
witnesses, Linda Tripp, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

Starr, during recent conversations with his deputies, made known
his desire that Tripp receive the full support of the Office of
the Independent Counsel after he departs.

"She came to us, and she risked her well-being for us," Starr
told one of his deputies. "We must not, indeed we will not, let
her down."

While pledging support for Tripp, Starr warned that the office
must not be viewed as "interfering with the legal proceedings" in
Maryland.

"We must do everything in our legal power, through proper court
actions, to support our witness," Starr vowed.

Starr will formally step aside next week and be replaced by one
of his assistants, Robert Ray.

The indictment of Linda Tripp by Maryland prosecutors continues
to be one of Starr's lingering disappointments.

The DRUDGE REPORT can reveal that Starr personally conveyed his
support directly to Tripp during an emotional face-to-face
meeting.

Late in the Summer of '98, as his investigation into the Lewinsky
case neared conclusion, Starr met with media-scorned Tripp in his
Washington office.

"Never for one minute should you think what you did was wrong,"
Starr comforted a tearful Tripp during a hug.

The emotional exchange came during Tripp's only meeting with
Starr, according to sources with direct knowledge of the
conversation.

A Maryland grand jury has since indicted Tripp for taping phone
conversations with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky. If
convicted, she faces up to 10 years in prison and a $20,000 fine.
A trial has been set for Jan. 18, 2000.

Tripp has asked the court to dismiss the case, arguing the
indictments against her were obtained using evidence that she
provided under a grant of federal immunity.

Tripp's defense will include supportive testimony from the Office
of Independent Counsel.



X X X X X



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[CTRL] Fw: Spy Group Linked to McVeigh BEFORE OKC Bombing

[lloyd]

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..

Forwarded from the Internet Conspiracy Community:
From: Book Search Co-ordinator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fw: Spy Group Linked to McVeigh BEFORE OKC Bombing
Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 10:03 PM

Another interesting point...the ADL noticed McVeigh's ad in the Spotlight for 
military surplus or some such.  McVeigh, if it was really him behind the ads, used the 
name of the main character in the cult movie Brazil for his Spotlight ads.  The main 
character in Brazil, which has MI5/MI6 written all over it, was a heating serviceman 
turned mad bomber!

-Original Message-
From: Jed Wells 
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,talk.politics.guns
Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 3:11 PM
Subject: Spy Group Linked to McVeigh BEFORE OKC Bombing



"Obviously, McVeigh was well known to the ADL prior to the
bombing. So what did the ADL know and when did it know it? Was
the ADL somehow manipulating McVeigh, and, if so, why?"

"Cable News Network reported in June 1995 that as long as two
years before the bombing, McVeigh was under surveillance by
undercover operatives at an Arizona gun show. So there is
confirmation from the "mainstream media" that McVeigh was indeed
being watched by spy agencies."

~~~

http://www.spotlight.org/Sept_26/ADL/adl.html

Anti-Defamation League Up To Old Tricks

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) is up to its old tricks, blaming
its enemies for its own crimes. It is clear that the ADL played a
part in the OKC tragedy. This is why the ADL accuses this
newspaper of exactly what it is guilty of in order to cover up
its own criminal guilt. Here's an update on this amazing story

By Michael Collins Piper

On May 22, 1995, The SPOTLIGHT first published evidence that
Oklahoma City bombing suspect Timothy McVeigh was in close, and
probably sustained, long-time contact with an agent of the
Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of B'nai B'rith who was operating in
McVeigh's immediate circle. This demonstrates that the ADL had
McVeigh under surveillance for some time. How The SPOTLIGHT came
to discover the ADL-McVeigh connection is an interesting story in
itself.

On April 21, 1995, just two days after the bombing, The
Washington Post reported, to the surprise of The SPOTLIGHT, that
in the fall of 1993 - nearly two years before the bombing - McVeigh,
purportedly using an assumed name, "T. Tuttle," had taken out a
classified advertisement in The SPOTLIGHT.

According to the Post, the source of this information was a press
release from the ADL. The ADL claimed the advertisement promoted
a "rocket launcher." In reality, the so-called "rocket launcher"
was a flare gun. The ad also offered a pepper spray key chain.

Needless to say The SPOTLIGHT was surprised to learn from the
Post that McVeigh had advertised in this newspaper. When alerted
to this allegation, The SPOTLIGHT's advertising staff underwent a
laborious and time-consuming effort to locate the advertisement
and the paperwork relating to the purported transaction with "T.
Tuttle."

Somehow, the ADL had been able to dig up this obscure fact with
little difficulty and The SPOTLIGHT assumed that the ADL's
well-heeled and highly sophisticated intelligence apparatus had
all of The SPOTLIGHT's ads on its computer database.

However, The SPOTLIGHT learned from a source with close ties to
the ADL that the ADL had learned of McVeigh having advertised in
The SPOTLIGHT from what The SPOTLIGHT's source described as an
"inside source" in McVeigh's circle of acquaintances.

In other words, McVeigh was either associating so closely with an
ADL operative that the ADL knew that he had advertised in The
SPOTLIGHT using an alias, or McVeigh was associating with someone
who was in turn providing information on McVeigh's activities to
someone working for the ADL.

Here we can report for the first time why The SPOTLIGHT can
state, with certainty, that the ADL did not obtain the
information about McVeigh's advertisement simply by reviewing The
SPOTLIGHT from week to week and why it had to have come from a
source close to McVeigh.

Although McVeigh had contracted to run the same advertisement in
several consecutive issues, the ad did not run the first week
(Aug. 9, 1993) for which it was scheduled.

Yet, when the ADL released its "facts" about McVeigh's ad, the
ADL reported that the ad had first run in that issue. The ad did
not run for the first time until one week later, in the Aug. 16,
1993 issue.

In other words, the ADL knew (through a source close to McVeigh)
that the ad had been scheduled to run in the Aug. 9 issue. What
the ADL did not realize when it issued its press release was that
the ad, in fact, had not run as scheduled.

The ADL did not know about an in-house scheduling conflict at The
SPOTLIGHT that had prevented the ad from appearing in the Aug. 9,
1993 issue, yet the ADL had mistakenly assumed tha

[CTRL] Flight to Gold Beginning?!

[lloyd]

 -Caveat Lector-

..

Forwarded from the Internet Conspiracy Community:
From: Book Search Co-ordinator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Flight to Gold Beginning?!
Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 7:44 AM

http://www.newaus.com.au/index.html

The New Australian
The world declares monetary
independence from the US dollar
By *John D. Meyer
No. 137, 11 - 17 October 1999

THE U. S. DOLLAR AND HANNIBAL'S WORST NIGHTMARE BEGINS

Pinch me quick and tell me I'm not dreaming. How can this be? Fourteen European 
central banks plus even the English "Poodle", announce that they will restrict gold 
sales and lending for the next five years. In one dramatic sweeping step the "reign of 
terror" besieging the gold bullion market has been broken. But the question remains 
why would the European central banks wish to reassure the gold markets?

For the past many years the gold world has been throttled by perceptions and short 
selling. Central banks gold sales were in fact never the problem, but the gold lending 
and the well orchestrated propaganda directed by the United States was. Since early 
1996, the threat of central bank gold sales and a raising volume of gold lending 
strategically timed and presented by the mainstream financial press attacked gold 
whenever an up-trend threatened. This has now ended.

THE TWILIGHT OF THE DOLLAR

With the monetary system facing the greatest defaults since the 1930's, the 
manipulation of gold, the ultimate preserver of wealth serves precisely to conceal the 
bankruptcy of our current monetary system. Single events often appear distant and 
unrelated, yet with a more critical eye they can be seen to be part of a pattern. It 
is my position that the European central bank announcement is a defining moment in 
monetary history. The propaganda windmills, mostly English speaking, would have you 
believe that "money" is a creation of government. As Martin Armstrong liked to say 
gold has been demonetized. We hold a different view. Namely, that money is determined 
by a market process. The European central bank decision is a major part of this market 
process, which has two consequences. First, it partially restores gold's monetary 
role. Second, and more importantly, it is a determined attempt to turn away from the 
dollar as a reserve currency.

The reality is that the greatest crisis in credit since the 1930s is underway. While 
the problem may appear to have begun in Asia, in fact its origin is a monetary system 
which allows the United States "Deficits without Tears". Every nation in the world has 
suffered as they have been forced to import our inflation (i.e., buy dollars and U.S. 
debt) because it is the reserve currency of the world's financial system. The dollar 
as the reserve currency forces other countries to accept our paper as payment for 
their goods and services. Jacques Rueff named this dirty little secret The Monetary 
Sin of the West.

Our present global monetary system is dysfunctional. The Asian currency epidemic was 
the first act in a play ultimately destined to take down the U.S. dollar. Starting 
with Mexico in 1995, Asia in 1997, Russia and Brazil in 1998 we have experienced an 
escalation in each crisis as larger and larger countries are ravaged. The monetary 
mischief of competitive currency devaluations claimed its first victim in North 
America with the collapse last fall of Long Term Capital Management.

As 1998 was ending the Japanese authorities (December 22nd) blind-sided the financial 
markets, saying that they would cut back their purchases of Japanese government bonds. 
Japanese long term bond prices were pummeled and the U. S. dollar crumbled. Then on 
January 1, 1999 Prime Minister Obuchi proposed the establishment of a monetary system 
composed of three key currencies — the yen, the U.S. dollar and the euro. Japan 
signaled its intention to internationalize the yen turning it into the key currency of 
Asia.

On Monday (September 20, 1999 ), despite warnings, the Bank of Japan refused to ease 
monetary policy to curb a rapid rise in the yen against the dollar. Now a week later 
the European central banks befriends gold. The Russian default in 1998 launched us 
into a new phase of this meltdown, which directly impacted the derivative arena. 
Default has been staved off for decades through credit expansion (i.e., bailouts). New 
debt piled on the old. Finally, when the excesses are too great and the economies too 
anemic, default becomes the final solution. Default immediately exposes systemic 
weaknesses. Since derivatives are leveraged contracts dependent upon an underlying 
"asset", default of the underlying asset immediately wipes out that derivative. The 
Wizards' computer model programs are not programmed for events that might cause a 
non-standard deviation movement.

For the Federal Reserve to admit that a single hedge fund, with a mere $4 billion in 
equity, jeopardized the entire financi

Re: [CTRL] Lorem Ipsum Dolor.

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Now stop being a smart alec.

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[CTRL] Re: [CTRL] "FBI?Justice Dept. COVER UP of Bank Lootings in "

[Linda Minor]

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If the other stories Judson Witham reported are as full of crap as his
belief that the s&l scandal of the 80's was caused by development of
colonias, he deserves to be in DEEP CRAP.  That may have been part of it,
but not the major part.

Linda Minor


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http://www.anaserve.com/~wethepeople/messages/63.html
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FBI?Justice Dept. COVER UP of Bank Lootings in Texas

>> In Fact the Great banking Collapse in Texas during the 1980s is without
any doubt
directly connected to these Thousands of Illegal Developments in Texas. <<

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Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

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Touche.

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Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

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Well said DasGOAT. Your post makes the crucial distinctions needed between
speculative journalism and scholarship, and between mistaking assumptions for
facts. Even better is that you stuck to the main topic of questioning the
empirical validity of Sitchin's works and the standard of his methodology
rather than resorting to cheap insults.

BD

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[CTRL] SOMETHING is going to happen this Friday

[Linda Minor]

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Looks like the rumor was correct.  Does this mean Greenspan is part of
Faction Three?

Linda Minor


http://cnnfn.com/1999/10/15/markets/marketwrap/
U.S. stocks drop sharply
Rising wholesale inflation, hawkish Greenspan warning trigger broad sell-off
By Staff Writer Malina Poshtova Zang
October 15, 1999: 4:56 p.m. ET

NEW YORK (CNNfn) - U.S. stock markets tumbled Friday when a report showed a
pickup in wholesale inflation only hours after Federal Reserve Chairman Alan
Greenspan warned investors that a steep equity market plunge is possible.
 The Dow Jones industrial average lost 266.90 points, or 2.6 percent, to
close at 10,019 after briefly dipping below the psychologically important
10,000 level.
 The blue chip index tumbled 630 points this week, its biggest weekly
point loss in history. The Dow lost 5.9 percent this week, its gain for the
year shrinking to 9.1 percent. The Dow is now 11.5 percent below its peak of
11,326.04, hit on Aug. 25, a retreat that is considered a market correction
by Wall Street watchers. A loss of more than 20 percent would be considered
an outright bear market.

Market breadth on the New York Stock Exchange was severely negative, with
declines smothering advances by 2,371 to 706 on heavy trading volume of 910
million shares. "Double witching," which occurs when stock index futures and
options expire simultaneously, added volatility to trading.
 The Nasdaq composite index dropped 75.01 points, or 2.7 percent, to
2,731.83. The Nasdaq retreated 5.36 percent this week, cutting its advance
for the year to 24.59 percent.

The S&P 500 index dropped 36.01 points, or 2.8 percent, to 1,247.41. The
broad blue chip stock indicator shed 6.63 percent this week. The S&P 500 is
now up 1.48 percent for the year.
 Wall Street's worst fears -- that rising inflation could bring higher
interest rates and that the market could face a severe correction -- both
were fueled Friday, after Greenspan late Thursday told banks to stash
reserves in case they have to face a big market downturn.
 The damage was compounded early Friday morning when the Producer Price
Index, the main indicator of inflation on the wholesale level, posted its
largest increase in nine years in September.
 The PPI gained 1.1 percent overall last month, while its core rate,
which excludes food and energy components, rose 0.8 percent. In August, the
PPI rose 0.5 percent.
 Prices in the bond market initially fell -- and yields rose -- after
the surprise spike in producer prices led investors to speculate that
inflation pressure may be picking up faster than previously suspected.
Greenspan's stern warning added weight on the market.
 But the stock market's sharp sell-off led some investors to seek a safe
haven in government debt, leaving the bellwether 30-year Treasury bond up
23/32 of a point in price, its yield at 6.26 percent, down from Thursday's
6.32 percent -- which was the highest the bond's yield has been in almost
two years.
 The bearish combination of rising producer inflation and a hawkish
comment from Greenspan also weighed on the dollar, leaving the currency
sharply lower against both the yen and the euro.

Rate sensitive stocks take a hit

 Wall Street's two most interest rate-sensitive sectors -- banking and
technology -- were among the hardest hit in the broad sell-off that struck
the market.
 Banks' lending business would slow down and a potential increase in
debt defaults could hurt profitability if interest rates rose. At the same
time, high-tech companies would have to curb their usually heavy borrowing,
which they rely on to support their fast growth rates.
 Among the leading financial stocks, American Express (AXP) shed 7 to
135, Citigroup (C) fell 1-9/16 to 42-3/8 and J.P. Morgan (JPM) dropped
5-3/16 to 105-11/16. All three are Dow components.
 Meanwhile, some leading technology stocks managed to recover from their
initial tumble. Among the high-tech blue chips, Dow member IBM (IBM) rose
7/8 to 107-7/8, while Hewlett Packard (HWP), also one of the 30 industrials,
finished up 3/4 at 82-3/4.
 On the Nasdaq, Microsoft (MSFT) lost 2-5/8 to 88-1/16, Intel (INTC)
fell 2-15/16 to 70-7/8, Dell (DELL) dropped 1-17/32 to 42-13/16 and Cisco
Systems (CSCO) retreated 2-3/16 to 67-3/16.

Earnings also in focus

 Investors also pummeled stocks of companies that reported their latest
earnings -- even when those results were better than expected.
 Among those punished, Internet advertiser DoubleClick (DCLK) tumbled
14, or almost 11 percent, to 113-1/2, after the company reported a
third-quarter loss that was slightly smaller than expected.
 But better-than-expected fiscal first-quarter earnings at Sun
Microsystems (SUNW) rescued that company's stock, which rallied 3-5/32 to
92-9/16.
 And retailer Office Depot (ODP) saw its shares rise 1-3/8 to 10-1/2, a
gain of more than 15 percent, after the company reported
stronger-than-expected third-qu

[CTRL] AOL Calls Guns Pornography

[Steve Wingate]

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AOL Calls Guns Pornography

Source: Shotgun News
Author: Bill Clede
Posted on 10/15/1999

AOL Calls Guns Pornography A SHOTGUN NEWS columnist found himself
put in the smut merchant category by the Internet colossus. By Bill Clede
Jim Supica, a SHOTGUN NEWS columnist familiar to readers of this
publication, operates Old Town Station Ltd., a dealer in antique and
collectable firearms. He holds a Federal Firearms License for this purpose.
In short, he runs a clean, above-board, and legal business.

That is, he thought he did until America Online (AOL) summarily removed
his web site from their system and sent email to his account address, which
is shared by his wife and children.

AOL wrote, "We have become aware of a web page site that is part of your
account. This web page violates Hometown AOL's Community Standards,
which prohibits sexually explicit graphics, links to other sites which
Hometown deems offensive, harassment, the use of vulgar or sexually
oriented language, discussion of illegal activities, and/or other activities
that may impair the enjoyment of our community's members.

"We have placed a note of this incident on your account history and
consider this a first warning. We have removed all the file(s) from your web
page/ftp site. A second occurrence will result in termination of your account
with no chance of reactivation."

Huh? I looked at Jim's site, now housed at www.armchairgunshow.com,
and the only obscene thing I saw were the four-figure prices these guns
carry. I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice, but calling an innocent
person a pornographer sounds a lot like libel to me.

"I've heard from other dealers who got the same form letter and no-warning
boot from AOL," Supica said. "I got a bunch of emails from litigious types
who suggested a lawsuit, plus an equal number from folks saying AOL has
a right to edit their service as they see fit."

He's right there. Services such as America Online, Microsoft Network,
Prodigy and CompuServe are not common carriers, nor publications in and
of themselves, although they provide the means by which others publish
web sites and periodicals.

At about the same time as Jim's site was scrubbed by AOL, he got a
message in CompuServe's Firearms Forum that CompuServe had
decreed the sale of firearms, even the legal sale of firearms, would no
longer be allowed on the system. GoOutdoorsGroup Administrator Tony
Mandile said, "The move was basically CYA. Obviously a headline reading,
"Student Kills 10 With Online Purchase" wasn't something their legal
department would like to see."

When I asked CompuServe what they had actually said, they refused to
comment. They referred me back to the Forum Administrator.

You should know that CompuServe is owned by AOL, but is operated
separately. Yeah, right! Since these services are private businesses they
have the right to conduct their business as they see fit. I think Tony Mandile
is entirely right.

The radio station I used to work for has a Sunday "Tag Sale" program for
years. They prohibit automobiles and devote one whole show every couple
of months to nothing but automobiles. They prohibit firearms and do not
dedicate a special show to guns. Preston Spaulding of Knoxville, Tenn.,
tells me his local newspaper refused his classified ad when he tried to sell
his gun. Gary Connor held a garage sale and the Seattle Times refused his
ad that mentioned a handgun.

The two daily newspapers in Madison, Wis., will no longer accept classified
ads for gun from anyone other than a licensed dealer. I wrote a newspaper
column several years ago reporting how the National Rifle Association was
refused in many of the print media when they tried to buy space for their
ads.

We all know there are people with rabidly anti-gun ideas. That is their right.
But it is not their right to force their beliefs onto others or to interfere with
the transaction of legal business. The National Association for the
Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and State of New York are
reported to be suing the firearms industry for not controlling the distribution
of their products. But to do so is called "restraint of trade" and is illegal.

As for Supica, "I mainly want to get on with my business with the least
possible hassle. AOL's decision to dump gun dealer sites did not bother
me as much as the manner in which they did it."

You know from this column that there are literally thousands of web sites
dealing in guns on the World Wide Web. I didn't think this blatant
censorship exists on the Internet.

John R. Clarke of Thomasville, Ga., is in the business of developing and
maintaining web sites. His is at www.outdoorwriter.com/. As the developer
of The Ballistic Program in 1986, guns are his specialty. He said, "I am not
aware of any Web Presence Provider dumping a firearms web site
because of its firearms content. However in this day and time anything is
possible."

But it has happened. Rob Robles of Morgan Hill, Calif. tout

[CTRL] U.S. Army Looted Holocaust Treasures - Report

[Lucio Benedetto]

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Friday October 15 4:15 PM ET
U.S. Army Looted Holocaust Treasures - Report
By Mark Egan
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19991015/ts/holocaust_usa_1.html

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - High ranking U.S. military officers decorated their
homes with treasures belonging to Jewish Holocaust victims and American
troops stole suitcases of Jewish gold, according to a new report on the fate
of World War II assets.

The report, published this week by the Presidential Advisory Commission on
Holocaust Assets, paints a picture of seedy greed among the American
military. It reveals that Americans profited from the silver, gold,
diamonds, paintings, and even the furs and wedding bands of Hungarian Jews
despite calls to return the treasures to their rightful owners.

The preliminary report details ``The Mystery of the Hungarian 'Gold
Train.'''

In May 1945, during the last weeks of the war, U.S. troops seized a
24-railcar train in Werfen, Austria. The train was laden with a dizzying
array of treasures, worth more than $200 million in 1945 dollars, which had
been confiscated by Adolf Eichmann's Nazi forces from 800,000 Hungarian
Jews.

The report found evidence that Americans ``misappropriated'' some assets
from the train and refused to allow the Hungarian government and Jewish
community the opportunity to identify the property which the United States
deemed ``unidentifiable.''

One letter from the Central Board of Jews in Hungary, sent to the U.S.
Legation in Budapest, wrote that ``Hungarian Jewry suffered immeasurable
losses in human life and property owing to Fascistic inhumanity.''

``600,000 Hungarian Jews lost their lives in Nazi concentration camps,'' it
said. ``The remaining valuables of the 200,000 Hungarian Jews, who survived,
are on the 'Train of Gold' and we think the greatest injustice would befall
these people if they could not get back even the remaining few valuables
after what they have been through.''

U.S. policy stated that identifiable art and cultural material should be
returned to the country it was taken from, even if like Hungary, the country
was an Axis state. But despite pleas from the Jewish community, and
assurances the property could be identified, the property was not returned
and the chance to identify ownership never given, the report said.

American Jewish Congress Executive Director Phil Baum said reports that
wedding rings and other valuables of Nazi victims were stolen were
``shocking and disheartening.''

``The U.S. Army valiantly fought to the death against Adolf Hitler to
destroy evil, not to permit some of those who fought to enrich themselves at
the expense of Hitler's victims,'' Baum said, adding that ``those of all
ranks who did these vile acts'' should be disciplined.

Furthermore, the report said more than 1,100 paintings were given to the
Austrian government, in breach of U.S. policy, and many of the cultural
valuables aboard the train, from silver platters to loose diamonds, were
sold at auction in New York to benefit non-repatriable refugees.

The decision to decree the assets ``unidentifiable'' was the key reason
cited by the United States for not returning the assets to Hungarian Jews.

That was highlighted by a 1948 cable from then Secretary of State George
Marshall which stated that, ``U.S. Commander (Gen. Mark Clark) determined
that the contents ... were unidentifiable as to owners and, in view of the
territorial changes in Hungary ... restitution to Hungary (is) therefore not
feasible.''

But perhaps the most shocking aspect of the report was the behavior of some
U.S. military leaders who bedecked their homes with furnishings fit for a
king from the train.

The report made particular note of Gen. Harry Collins, commander of U.S.
forces in the region, who adorned his home with a cornucopia of finery from
the train.

The report showed the general requisitioned items of ``the very best quality
and workmanship available in the land.'' Among other things, Collins sought
formal banquet chinaware and silverware for 45 people, glassware for 90
people as well as a mountain of fine table and bed linens.

The report notes Collins was not alone. ``Numerous high ranking officers of
the American forces in Austria appropriated Hungarian Jewish treasures found
on the Gold Train for the decoration of their residences.''

The commission found no record of what happened to goods requisitioned by
senior military personnel.

In addition, other treasures such as watches were sold through the Army
exchange and other items were stolen, the report said. One document revealed
that among the thefts were ``two small suitcases of gold dust.''

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Re: [CTRL] Medical Marijuana Alert: The Battle is On in Congress

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 10/15/1999 11:25:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<
  If you've been reading DRCNet, you know that the people
 of Washington, DC passed a pro-medical marijuana initiative
 by an overwhelming margin last year, but hard-line drug
 warriors in Congress -- principally Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia
 -- prevented the vote from even being counted for more than
 10 months.  And you know that a federal court found Barr's
 vote-suppression law unconstitutional, and the vote has now
 been released -- but Barr and his allies have vowed to
 overturn DC's democratic, voter-approved medical marijuana
 initiative through an act of Congress. >>

Am I the only person in the world who remembers when Nixon got a commission
to study Marijuana, and the commission came back with a report that said
marijuana was not a drug that caused any harm at all, and it should be
legalized.  Nixon immediately decided to set aside the report and go on as
usual.  It didn't matter to me, but I found it rather humorous.  Is there
anyone else who remembers that business better than I can.  If that report
could be unearthed, perhaps it would set Mr. Barr back a bit, and even
perhaps go a long way towards legalizing at least the medical use of
marijuana.  This whole thing is so silly.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] New military unit for domestic deployment

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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In a message dated 10/15/1999 10:51:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< The military must "deal with the threats we are most likely to face," Cohen
 told reporters, downplaying concerns about troops operating on home soil.
 "The American people should not be concerned about it. They should welcome
 it." >>

Let's see.  We have Kent State, Waco, Ruby Ridge (?).  I don't know why
anyone would be concerned about troops in the streets.  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] The Illuminati Millennium Rituals

[Fransy]

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All this is fine and dandy butthe birth date of the Illuminati is
May 1st, 1776! And I think that the Gregorian Calendar is quite anterior
of that date and certainly not created by and for the Illuminatiby a
looonng shot...:)
Fransy

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Subject: [CTRL] The Illuminati Millennium Rituals


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THE ILLUMINATI RITUALS
  ON THE FALSE MILLENNIUM
  AND COMING AGE OF LIGHT
   by David Icke

  October 11, 1999

 There are many things to know about the Millennium to understand
 what is really going on. Firstly it is only happening at this
 point because of the Gregorian calendar - introduced by the
 Illuminati via the Vatican in October, 1582.

 It is a ridiculous measurement of what we call "time" with it's 31
 day months, 30 day months, and 28 days..29 every four years. It is
 like throwing all of your clothes in a wardrobe and pressing your
 bum against the door to bang it shut. Everything is in there, but
 it's a bloody mess. So it is with the Gregorian calendar.

 But, then, it is not there to efficiently measure "time", it was
 created to hit key solar cycles and astrological sequences which
 the Illuminati-reptilians planned to use to advance their agenda.
 The Millennium is a classic example of this. The Illuminati have
 always focused on the power of the Sun. After all the Sun is 99%
 of the mass of the solar system - it IS the solar system. When it
 changes, we change.

 They know the effect on human thought and emotions when, for
 instance, the Sun cycles reach their peak and massively powerful
 solar energy is projected at the Earth. At it's most powerful it
 has taken out computer and power systems.

 SO:

 What a coincidence that the Illuminati-created Gregorian calendar
 should be orchestrated to hit the peak of a massive Sun cycle
 PRECISELY at the point of the false millennium - January 2000.
 This has been done for a specific reason - more than one - and
 that includes the way this powerful solar energy will prime human
 consciousness to be more likely to react to events in the desired
 fashion.

 In January 1997 there were 19 significant emissions of energy; Sun
 spot activity; which affected the Earth field. This cycle has been
 climbing ever since and will hit it's peak at the Millennium and
 the immediate months afterwards with 160 solar "strikes" on the
 Earth.

 I have been talking about this for more than a year and included
 this information in The Biggest Secret where you will find the
 relevant solar chart. Only a few months ago the American
 Astronomical Association issued a press release at its Chicago
 conference warning that the world was threatened with
 technological disruption at the Millennium because of this cycle.
 Y2K is not the only source of malfunction, they said. The
 fantastic energy bombardment from the Sun at that time, they
 warned, could mislead satellites into believing they were being
 given instructions that were not, in fact, being given..

 The whole scenario was planned centuries ago because the
 reptilians, operating from the lower fourth dimension, and indeed
 whatever force controls them, have a very different version of
 "time" than we have, hence they can see and plan down the
 three-dimensional "time"-line in a way that those in
 three-dimensional form cannot.

 You not be surprised to learn, therefore, that an enormous network
 of Illuminati rituals are planned all over the world at the turn
 of the Millennium, especially at the Giza pyramids in Egypt where
 a stream of Illuminati names will attend, including George Bush.
 The musician, Jean-Michel Jarre, has been paid a fortune to create
 a musical and lights extravaganza at Giza called, wait for it; the
 Twelve Dreams of the Sun.

 Jarre told a news conference that his special effects will give
 the illusion that the pyramids are doors through which the Sun
 passes. "The Sun, symbol of Egypt and time, seemed to me to be the
 best analogy to celebrate the new millennium" he said. Yes, it all
 came from your own creative mind, Jean-Michel, me old darling,
 I'll believe you. The fact that the millennium is the peak of a
 Sun cycle; the Illuminati created this false millennium with the
 Gregorian calender; and they follow the Sun cycles to the finest
 detail, is purely coincidental. Sure it is..

 The Giza ritual, which will cost some $9.5 million, will attract
 50,000 people, it is estimated, and will be broadcast to 60
 countries

[CTRL] FW: Can Internet curb Clinton power?

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FRIDAY
OCTOBER 15
1999

THE IMPERIAL PRESIDENCY
Can Internet
curb Clinton power?
'We're not surrendering, we're
fighting back,' congressman vows

By Sarah Foster
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com
Inspired in part by the successful use of the Internet in derailing the
"Know Your Customer" regulation promulgated by the Federal Deposit
Insurance Agency, a group of 14 congressmen and eight constitutional
attorneys plan to take the fight for American liberties and national
sovereignty to cyberspace.
The Liberty Study Committee, organized by Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas,
will focus on three interrelated issues: privacy, including efforts to
require Americans to have a national ID; presidential executive orders;
and the United Nations.
"I am sorry and dismayed that our liberty is indeed being taken," Paul
says, explaining the mission of the committee. "However, regret and
disappointment are not the same as surrender. We are not
surrendering, we are fighting back."
And they are doing so with determination. According to Kent Snyder,
the group's executive director, the Liberty Study Committee is not a
think tank or research foundation, but an "action-oriented organization"
that will enable Americans to make their voices heard in Congress.
"Everything we do is to advance the legislative remedy to a problem,"
Snyder told WorldNetDaily. "That's priority one for the Liberty Study
Committee. There are plenty of organizations that do research, and we
encourage that, but our primary focus is not education but the legislative
solution. Everything we do must advance the solution -- a specific piece
of legislation. And we will use the Internet to do it."
Although it's a new group, the Liberty Study Committee has already
made its presence felt on Capitol Hill. Earlier this year they set up a
website, NoNationalID.com. With a click of a mouse, people could write
what they thought about national IDs and e-mail the message directly to
their representative and the two senators from their state.
On Oct. 1, the House passed the Omnibus Transportation Bill, which
included a rider by Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., repealing a section of a
statute passed in 1996 requiring that, as of Oct. 1, 2000, Americans
would be forced to carry a national ID. Under provisions of the Illegal
Immigration Reform and Responsibility Act, without an ID no one would
be allowed to board a commercial flight, purchase a handgun, receive
federal benefits or take a new, private sector job.
Although the repeal language survived the House Appropriations
Committee, there was concern that it might be deleted on the floors of
the House and possibly the Senate.
That didn't happen. The repeal language was kept by both houses --
thanks in large part to public response flooding congressional offices
with e-mails, faxes and letters.
"This is a great moment for all Americans," said Paul, who led the fight
in the House. "We have succeeded in defeating a program that would
have deprived Americans of constitutional liberties, while imposing a
massive federal bureaucracy to monitor their every step from cradle to
grave."
Snyder detailed the victory to WorldNetDaily.
"We had a lot of people going to the site, a lot of people sending
messages at the very last minute," Snyder said. "Sources who were
involved in the process admitted that our presence was definitely felt."
Although elated, Snyder cautioned that "the issue isn't going to go
away."
"The committee must remain alert for any push for any form of a
national ID card," he said. "We know that the forces that want a national
ID will continue to work for it, and we'll continue to fight it."
With one victory to their credit, the Liberty Study Committee is turning
attention to other areas of concern.
"The 72-hour effort was a practice run for a much larger effort," said
Snyder.
"The effort to stop the national ID within a 72-hour period was a success
... so we are taking that success and using it as a first step towards a
similar effort on executive orders, the United Nations, and the other
issues related to a national ID. We have the model, we have activists
nationwide who have used it, we are becoming better known by liberty-
minded individuals throughout the country."
At present, the Committee is focusing on the president's practice of
issuing executive orders to expand presidential power and set policy
agendas, something Paul and his colleagues find particularly egregious.
"By using executive orders and declarations of emergency, President
Clinton is vastly increasing the power of the national government over
us," says Paul. "He is also concentrating more power in his hands
alone by taking the legislative power that rightfully belongs to the 535
men and women of the United States Congress. With each stroke of his
pen, he is effectively rewriting our Constitution."
Paul cites as examples: Presidential Decision Directive 25 enables the
U.S. military to be moved under U.N. command without congressional
approval. Executive 

[CTRL] Implants are GOOD for you!

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http://www.nandotimes.com/noframes/story/0,2107,500044195-500071973-50016308
7-0,00.html
Pilot study uses brain 'pacemaker' to fight depression
Copyright © 1999 Nando Media
Copyright © 1999 Associated Press
By LAURAN NEERGAARD
WASHINGTON (October 13, 1999 6:35 a.m. EDT) - A former shipbuilder suffered
from depression so severe that conventional therapies did not help. He was
so sick he had trouble leaving his house. Then doctors implanted a
pacemaker-like device to stimulate a part of his brain thought important for
mood - and that very day the man laughed.
"It was remarkable," recalled Mark George of the Medical University of South
Carolina, who performed the experimental implant. "I said, 'Are you being
forced to laugh or do you feel good inside?' He said both."
Stimulating a nerve that runs from the neck into one of the brain's most
mysterious regions appears promising enough at relieving once-untreatable
depression that the government just granted permission for a study at 15
hospitals around the country.
The treatment, called vagus nerve stimulation, involves sending tiny
electric shocks into the vagus nerve in the neck, where it then relays
messages deep into the brain.
About half of the 30 depressed patients treated in a pilot study - people
who had failed every other treatment - "got a very good response," George
said in an interview.
The results are not definitive, he cautioned. But he added, "Stimulating
there really is a wonderful portal into the base of the brain."
Indeed, scientists think stimulating this nerve could have even more
far-reaching effects, such as enhancing memory or treating obesity by
curbing appetite.
That's because the vagus nerve is what Mitchell Roslin of Brooklyn's
Maimonedes Medical Center calls "one of the information superhighways"
between the brain and other organs. It relays messages, such as signals to
regulate heartbeat, and sends messages back to the brain, such as when the
stomach is full.
The nerve also reaches deep into brain regions thought to regulate mood and
emotion, said John Rush of the University of Texas Southwestern Medical
Center, who heads the pilot depression study.
If the implant truly signals the depressed brain circuits to act more
normally, it could prove important for some of the estimated 1 million
Americans with depression uneased by conventional therapy.
The stimulator is essentially a brain pacemaker. A generator the size of a
pocket watch is implanted into the chest. Wires snake up the neck to zap the
nerve every few minutes.
Two years ago, the Food and Drug Administration approved the implant to
treat severe epilepsy, a way to signal the brain to reduce seizures.
Depression often accompanies epilepsy. Soon after the implants began
selling, doctors began reporting epilepsy patients who felt happier even if
the implant failed to reduce their seizures.
"There's certainly an overlap between emotions and the site where people
have intractable seizures," said Cynthia Harden of Cornell University,
author of one of those early studies.
So manufacturer Cyberonics Inc. funded a pilot study of patients with
untreatable depression not complicated by epilepsy. Full results won't be
unveiled until December, but George said about half the patients responded
well - prompting the FDA last week to approve a new study, beginning early
next year at 15 hospitals, to prove the effect.
The vagus nerve might also:
Fight obesity.
Because the nerve signals the brain when someone's stomach is full, Roslin
implanted Cyberonics stimulators in dogs to see they suppressed appetite.
For a week, the dogs continued to gulp whatever food was in sight. But
gradually their appetite dropped, until eventually they left half their food
uneaten each day and lost one-third of their weight. Then Roslin switched
off the stimulators, and within five days the dogs' appetite and weight
rebounded.
Roslin hopes to begin an implant study in obese New Yorkers early next year
to see if they get the same effect.
Help stroke or head-injury victims' memory recover.
In a study last year, epilepsy patients scored 36 percent better at
recalling words read just before their vagus nerve was stimulated. The
theory: Emotional hormones seem to stimulate the vagus nerve to store
memories, so maybe the implant could mimic that effect in injured patients.
These potential treatments require much more research to determine how to
best stimulate the vagus nerve, said George. His depressed shipbuilder, for
instance, was initially overstimulated into a hyper state associated with
manic-depression. Later patients were better controlled.
But because the implant is so unique - and can immediately be switched off
if someone suffers a side effect - scientists are encouraged.
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[CTRL] (Fwd) Facts for the Future

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More Steal These Facts!

Just in case you think the society you live in is sane… read on.

But first, here's a fact not in Bob Harris's "Steal This Book and Get Life
Without Parole": The new execution date for Mumia Abu-Jamal, December 2,
is the 140th anniversary of the execution of John Brown in 1859 (see email
26).

1. A new way to kill time--or at least torture it. There is now a paging
service in Los Angeles that will, for a nominal fee, page you every time a
televised police chase is occurring.

2. Turn-of-the-century-news-priorities department. At the close of this
century, Princess Diana's death in a car crash received more press
coverage--25% more--than any single event that happened during World War
II, including the Nazi invasion of France, the disaster at Dunkirk, the
bombing of London, the invasion of Normandy on D-Day, or the final
surrender of Nazi forces.

3. The immigrant labor crisis. The United States rejects immigrants from
Cuba--except those who can play ball. Consider Orlando Hernandez, older
brother of Florida Marlins' pitcher Livan Hernandez, who is allegedly a
better pitcher than his brother Livan, was accepted into the United States
while several of his boat party were turned back to the Caribbean isle by
U.S. immigration agents.

4. I-feel-your-pain department. Out of some 42,000 instances of human
rights abuses and violations in Guatemala recently investigated by the
United Nations' Independent Historical Clarification Commission, some 93%
of them were carried out by government paramilitary forces--tacitly
supported by the United States government through training, money, and
other types of aid. On a recent trip to Guatemala, President Clinton
responded to the findings by remarking that, "United States . . . support
for military forces or intelligence units which engaged in violent and
widespread repression . . . was wrong."

5. What your government gives to you. In 1998, the public helped pay for
the construction of two centers vital to the survival of the republic: the
"Paul Simon Public Policy Institute" in Carbondale, Illinois and the
"Robert J. Dole Institute for Public Service" in Lawrence, Kansas.

6. Show me the money. The paper losses that Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates
suffered on October 1997's Black Monday were enough to install a basic
computer lab in every high school in the entire United States.

For more facts that make you laugh and cry at the same time, see "Steal
This Book and Get Life Without Parole: Incendiary Insights by
Investigative Humorist Bob Harris," a man who has been called a cross
between Lenny Bruce and Noam Chomsky. Click on
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[CTRL] Brain releases marijuana-like substance in response to pain, stud y finds

[Tatman, Robert]

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http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/bu-brm100899.html
EMBARGOED FOR RELEASE: 11 OCTOBER 1999 AT 17:00 ET US
Contact: Kristen Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED]
401-863-7508
Brown University
Brain releases marijuana-like substance in response to pain, study
finds
PROVIDENCE, R.I. - Pain triggers the brain's release of a naturally
produced cannabinoid, a compound similar to the active ingredient in
marijuana, according to a new study by Brown researchers that documented its
release in the brain's pain response system for the first time.
The cannabinoid known as anandamide produced analgesia - the absence
of a normal sense of pain - in response to pain in anesthetized rats. The
findings are published in the Oct. 12 issue of the Proceedings of the
National Academy of Sciences (PNAS).
Although the existence of non-opiate factors in the brain's pain
suppression system were first noted 20 years ago, little was known about
these substances. Brown researchers were able to measure the anandamide
using a new type of mass spectrometry, which is able to detect minute
amounts of a substance.
Knowledge about a pain-modulatory system based on cannabinoids is
valuable for the future treatment of pain, particularly in instances where
opiates are ineffective, according to J. Michael Walker, psychology
professor and lead researcher.
"There are some types of pain that do not respond well to current
treatments," said Walker. "The fact that you have different modulatory
systems that are effective for different types of pain may offer hope."
Drugs that inhibit the reuptake of anandamide by cells, or block its
degradation, may form the basis of a modern pharmacotherapy for pain, he
said.
Researchers measured the levels of anandamide in the region of the
brain recognized for its role in pain modulation - the periaqueductal gray
(PAG). The PAG is part of the brain stem that connects the cerebral
hemispheres with the spinal cord. It is very similar in animals and humans.
Electrical stimulation of the PAG in anesthetized animal models was
accompanied by both pain suppression and a marked increase in the release of
anandamide. Furthermore, injections of formalin, a chemical irritant that
induces prolonged pain, profoundly elevated the anandamide levels in the
same location of the PAG in anesthetized rats. Although animals did not feel
the pain, researchers were able to observe pain modulation because the brain
responds in the same way.
Researchers used atmospheric pressure-chemical ionization mass
spectrometry to measure the molecular weight of anandamide. This multistep
method permitted the detection of the extremely small amounts of the
anandamide. They found the substance in a different location of the PAG than
the location proven to play a part in the release of natural opiates.
"One of the functions of chemical transmission in the brain is to
modify pain sensitivity, and the brain uses the anandamide for this
purpose," said Walker. "The pain itself triggers this reaction."
The correlation between cannabinoids and pain suppression is not a
startling finding in itself; cannabinoids have been used to treat pain for
centuries. In ancient China, hemp extract was used as a surgical anesthetic,
and archaeological finds in Israel have revealed its use against the pain of
childbirth.
Cannabis is still used to treat pain, despite its illegal status in
most parts of the world. A report early this year by the National Academy of
Sciences Institute of Medicine found that significant amounts of research -
including research by Walker and colleagues - point to the potential to use
marijuana derivatives in treating chronic pain.
However, more research needs to be done to determine whether there
are other naturally produced cannabinoids released in the brain in addition
to anandamide, said Walker.
Other researchers involved in the study were Susan M. Huang, Brown
graduate student; Nicole M. Strangman, Brown graduate student; M. Clara
Saûudo-Peûa, assistant research professor of psychology; and the late Brown
University professor and member of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, Kang
Tsou. The work was supported with funding from the U.S. Public Health
Service and National Institutes of Health. In addition, Brown University and
the National Institute on Drug Abuse financed the purchase of the mass
spectrometer used in the experiments.
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Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

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Or, as a friend of mine remarked when we pointed out to him that he had just
contradicted himself four times in five minutes, "Hey, nobody ever accused
me of being consistent!"

> -Original Message-
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> wrote:
> > Recently, IMHO, he has even begun to argue AGAINST his OWN "evidence,"
> simply
> > to preserve his belief in the religion of his fathers, which is actually
> > turned on its head by
> > logical analysis of what he has taken great pains to "reveal" in all his
> > earlier writings.
> > How "scholarly" is a man who contradicts his own work's logic,
> misleading
> his
> > readers
> > who by now are willing to accept "on faith" ANYTHING he says as a
> "cosmic
> > truth"?
>
> To quote Abraham Lincoln:
>
> "I shall proudly stand up for what I believe in today, even if it
> contradicts everything I believed in yesterday."
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] The Illuminati Millennium Rituals

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"You've got to jump off cliffs all the time and build your wings on the way
down." ...Amen! One of the most succinct statements of what it means to be
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Re: [CTRL] [ThePentagonGuru] Fascism: "Public-Private Partnership s"

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Well, there's a first time for everything, and I finally find myself
agreeing with Joseph Farah about something--although from the other side of
the mirror. He is absolutely correct about the fascist nature of
"private-public partnerships", otherwise known as the franchising of
America. Just because it has a corporate logo on it instead of a swastika
doesn't make it any the less fascist. As Huey Long said before his
assassination, "If fascism ever comes to America, it will be on a platform
of Americanism." What no one realized was that "Americanism" would mean
*commercial* Americanism rather than *nationalistic* Americanism. We kept
overlooking the obvious--"the business of America is business." "I have
always assumed that what was good for the United States was good for General
Motors, and vice versa." Etc., etc. One of the few writers to understand
what was happening was Jack London, whose *The Iron Heel* deserves careful
re-reading today in light of present economic and political developments.
Thanks for posting this, Lloyd.

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Re: [CTRL] Lorem Ipsum Dolor.

[Tatman, Robert]

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Gesundheit. Ex pluorque blorbium pluu.

> -Original Message-
> From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 11:53 PM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  [CTRL] Lorem Ipsum Dolor.
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>
> Lorem Ipsum Dolor.
>
> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetaur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod
> tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim
> veniam,
> quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo
> consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse
> cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat
> non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est
> laborum
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> distinct. Nam liber te conscient to factor tum poen legum odioque civiuda.
> Et tam neque pecun modut est neque nonor et imper ned libidig met,
> consectetur adipiscing elit, sed ut labore et dolore magna aliquam makes
> one
> wonder who would ever read this stuff? Bis nostrud exercitation ullam
> mmodo
> consequet. Duis aute in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
> pariatur. At vver eos et accusam dignissum qui blandit est praesent
> luptatum
> delenit aigue excepteur sint occae. Et harumd dereud facilis est er
> expedit
> distinct. Nam libe soluta nobis eligent optio est congue nihil impedit
> doming id Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, set
> eiusmod tempor incidunt et labore et dolore magna aliquam. Ut enim ad
> minim
> veniam, quis nostrud exerc. Irure dolor in reprehend incididunt ut labore
> et
> dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation
> ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure
> dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse molestaie cillum. Tia non
> ob
> ea soluad incommod quae egen ium improb fugiend. Officia deserunt mollit
> anim id est laborum Et harumd dereud facilis est er expedit distinct. Nam
> liber te conscient to factor tum poen legum odioque civiuda et tam. Neque
> pecun modut est neque nonor et imper ned libidig met, consectetur
> adipiscing
> elit, sed ut labore et dolore magna aliquam is nostrud exercitation ullam
> mmodo consequet. Duis aute in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat
> nulla pariatur. At vver eos et accusam dignissum qui blandit est praesent.
> Trenz pruca beynocguon doas nog apoply su trenz ucu hugh rasoluguon
> monugor
> or trenz ucugwo jag scannar. Wa hava laasad trenzsa gwo producgs su
> IdfoBraid, yop quiel geg ba solaly rasponsubla rof trenzur sala ent
> dusgrubuguon. Offoctivo immoriatoly, hawrgasi pwicos asi sirucor.Thas
> sirutciun applios tyu thuso itoms ghuso pwicos gosi sirucor in mixent gosi
> sirucor ic mixent ples cak ontisi sowios uf Zerm hawr rwivos. Unte af phen
> neige pheings atoot Prexs eis phat eit sakem eit vory gast te Plok peish
> ba
> useing phen roxas. Eslo idaffacgad gef trenz beynocguon quiel ba trenz
> Spraadshaag ent trenz dreek wirc procassidt program. Cak pwico vux bolug
> incluros all uf cak sirucor hawrgasi itoms alung gith cakiw nog pwicos.
> Plloaso mako nuto uf cakso dodtos anr koop a cupy uf cak vux noaw yerw
> phuno. Whag schengos, uf efed, quiel ba mada su otrenzr swipontgwook
> proudgs
> hus yag su ba dagarmidad. Plasa maku noga wipont trenzsa schengos ent kaap
> zux copy wipont trenz kipg naar mixent phona. Cak pwico siructiun ruos
> nust
> apoply tyu cak UCU sisulutiun munityuw uw cak UCU-TGU jot scannow. Trens
> roxas eis ti Plokeing quert loppe eis yop prexs. Piy opher hawers, eit
> yaggles orn ti sumbloat alohe plok. Su havo loasor cakso tgu pwuructs tyu
> InfuBwain, ghu gill nug bo suloly sispunsiblo fuw cakiw salo anr
> ristwibutiun. Hei muk neme eis loppe. Treas em wankeing ont sime ploked
> peish rof phen sumbloat syug si phat phey gavet peish ta paat ein pheeir
> sumbloats. Aslu unaffoctor gef cak siructiun gill bo cak spiarshoot anet
> cak
> GurGanglo gur pwucossing pwutwam. Ghat dodtos, ig pany, gill bo maro tyu
> ucakw suftgasi pwuructs hod yot tyubo rotowminor. Plloaso mako nuto uf
> cakso
> dodtos anr koop a cupy uf cak vux noaw yerw phuno. Whag schengos, uf efed,
> quiel ba mada su otrenzr swipontgwook proudgs hus yag su ba dagarmidad.
> Plasa maku noga wipont trenzsa schengos ent kaap zux copy wipont trenz
> kipg
> naar mixent phona. Cak pwico siructiun ruos nust apoply tyu cak UCU
> sisulutiun munityuw uw cak UCU-TGU jot scannow. Trens roxas eis ti
> Plokeing
> quert loppe eis yop prexs. Piy opher hawers, eit yaggles orn ti sumbloat
> alohe plok. Su havo loasor cakso tgu pwuructs tyu.
>
> http://nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/cf_36.htm#SEC145
>
>

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Danite Irish]

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

I'll bow to what appears to be superior knowledge of Sumerian; given the
role of Sumerian as a trade language, it wouldn't surprise me if loanwords
showed up all over the Fertile Crescent. Your point about a possible
Sumerian origin for the Phoenicians is interesting and deserves serious
investigation. And I do know that Hebrew and Arabic weren't created *ex
nihilo*--this is a notion found in both Sufism and Kabbalah at an early date
(see Idries Shah and Gershom Scholem, respectively, for commentary). The
kabbalistic belief was picked up by German scholars in the 18th century,
some of whom tried to derive every known language from Hebrew--there are
still vestiges of this school lingering in odd corners such as British
Israel.

Now to the meat of the mystery (and I apologize for dragging in
Sitchin--that was a bit of polemic on my part): where the heck did the
Sumerians come from? As you note, they were clearly invaders...but they
don't seem to be related to any of the surrounding peoples. The most
intriguing proposal I've seen is that they were colonists from the Indus
Valley (Mohenjo-Daro) civilization--there is definite evidence of trade
contact, and it's not too much of a stretch to visualize an expedition
traveling along the coast of the Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf from India to
Mesopotamia.

Now: more speculation--the pre-Vedic population of the subcontinent (mostly
Dravidian) definitely worshipped a mother goddess; this worship was
syncretized into the Hindu pantheon as Kali/Durga and spread widely as part
of tantric practices, which influenced assorted religions from India to
China and beyond. Shiva, as Lord of the Hunt, is also pre-Vedic, and bears a
strong resemblance to the horned figure (seated in either half-lotus or
tailor's seat) on the Gundestrup cauldron, who is usually identified as
"Cernunnos" or "Belenos" (the Celts were maddeningly vague about their
gods). Conclusion? I honestly don't know. That far back, the "mists of time"
rise up around us and make it next to impossible to discern the truth...

We've probably gotten about as far with this thread as we should, out of
deference to the rest of the list, but I'd be more than willing to continue
the discussion off-list.

> -Original Message-
> From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 5:34 AM
> To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject:  Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Danite Irish]
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 99-10-14 18:19:09 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> >and there is no evidence, as far as I know, that it was ever used as the
> >common speech even in *Sumer*! Was it an artificial language, created ex
> >nihilo as both Arabic and Hebrew were supposed to have been?
>
> As far as I know, Sumerian WAS used as "common" speech in Sumer, at the
> earliest period.  In fact, Sumerian had a whole DIALECT specifically for
> commoners, just as it had one for women -- sorta like Japanese in that
> respect.  Of course, "common" here may only mean the lower classes among
> the
> conquering race, since the Sumerians were INVADERS in the Persian Gulf,
> and
> there were indigenous people, and immigrant Amorites, Akkadians, etc.,
> aplenty in the same area, each with their own language.
>
> Hebrew and Arabic ex nihilo?  No way.  Both derive from a "proto-Semitic"
> tongue, of which the best example is Akkadian -- which is nearly IDENTICAL
> to
> early Hebrew.
>
> BTW, I never intended to bring Sitchin into the picture here ...  I
> thought
> it interesting, though, that the PHOENICIANS were international traders
> long
> before there were any "Israelites," and amusing that the tribe of "Dan"
> --sea-farers, with territory BORDERING
> Tyre and Sidon-- has somehow been credited with "founding" outposts in
> places
> where the PHOENICIANS already travelled.  You know, those swarthy,
> big-nosed,
> dark-haired
> people who show up in Canaanite/Phoenician monuments -- hailed as Celtic
> "Aryans"! One shouldn't be surprised, though, that blue-eyed blondes
> travelled those routes ca. 1500 BC or later, since the "Philistines" of
> Canaan were only Mycenaean Greeks who made a living as mercenaries
> fighting
> for the Egyptians and Phoenicians, and as hired hands of the latter, they
> had
> access to the same (originally Phoenician) trails inward into Europe and
> to
> Ireland via "Tarshish" and Spain.  But there's STILL the question of where
> the Phoenicians got their commercial acumen and navigatory knowledge,
> which
> were not evident in either Egypt or mainland Canaan, the two places
> usually
> suggested
> for their origin.  I propose SUMERIAN origins for the Phoenicians, for
> several reasons:
> (1) EARLIER, Sumerians were famed as seafarers (Egyptians hated the sea)
> AND
> as traders, (2) the Sumerians also had a reputation as "builders," with a
> distinct "priestly" stone-mason caste (the Egyptian god Ptah of Old
> Kingdom
> times is believed by some to be of SUMERIAN origin), and (3) the

[CTRL] "FBI?Justice Dept. COVER UP of Bank Lootings in "

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
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Click Here: http://www.anaserve.com/~wethepeople/messages/63.html">FB
I?Justice Dept. COVER UP of Bank Lootings in …
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FBI?Justice Dept. COVER UP of Bank Lootings in Texas



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Posted by Judson Witham on April 14, 1999 at 19:26:13:
On May 20, 1931 in an EMERGENCY session of the Texas Legislature House Bill
473 was enacted into law and codified under Former Texas Penal Code 1137h
making it a CRIME to markett land from dangerously substandard, un-permitted,
in fact Un-Recorded Land Developments. At the FBI's official Web Site
www.FBI.gov/history.htm you will find the FBIs own account of the original
reasons the FBI was created. The Great Depression and the Stock Market Crash
of the 20s and 30s was IN FACT caused by massive and widespread LAND FRAUD in
Texas and Florida. The FBI is very proud of it's LAND FRAUD prosecution
history. In short during the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s THOUSANDS of
Illegal/Criminal Land Development Schemes have FLOURISHED in Texas. In Fact
the Great banking Collapse in Texas during the 1980s is without any doubt
directly connected to these Thousands of Illegal Developments in Texas. In
the Hispanic Community these Illegal Land Developments are known as Colonias.
If you do a Web Search of the Terms Illegal Subdivisions and Colonias in
Texas ypou will quickley learn that [EMAIL PROTECTED] the author of the Great
Texas Bank Job has the Federal and State Governments Down and DIRTY in Texas.
The $550Billion Looting of this Nations Banking Industry was in a MAJOR way
Directly Accomplished by ELECTED Officials. Whitewater is the Tip of the
corruption ICEBERG in Texas and US Governments.
Today Judson Witham was once again THREATENED by FBI agents from Houston,
Texas. The fact is very simple, the FBI from Houston to Washington is
COVERING UP Massive and very widespread LAND/Bank/Consumer/Criminal FRAUD in
Texas. They also Covered up the Arson Fire at the general Air Services
terminal at the Conroe, Texas airport. Montgomery County Sherriffs deputies
had informed [EMAIL PROTECTED] that an FBI/County Sherriff Drug/Weapons
Smuggling Operation was being conducted at the Conroe Airport Terminal. After
Juris Not provided Special Agent TOM Barton FBI Houston with this
information, a very, very, very short 10 hours later the County Judge and
Montgomery County Fire Marshall stood by and made CERTAIN that the Terminal
Burnt Completely. Yup they let a CRIME Scene be destroyed by a FIRE they
refused to put out. Good Way to DESTROY all the EVIDENCE. Two days later
after Juris Not learned of the fire in the paper, he called the FBI only to
be LIED to as the FBI claimed I Never Callaed Them. Does Bull Crap apply or
what. In any event Judson Witham is in DEEP CRAP and needs all the help he
can get. This is an SOS SOS SOS SOS




Follow Ups:

*   The MURDER of Don Bolles and the COLONIAS of the American South West Judso
n Witham 10/12/99 (0)





FBI?Justice Dept. COVER UP of Bank Lootings in Texas posted by Judson Witham
on April 14, 1999 at 19:26:13:
Now you thought Whitewater and Castle Grande were big news. Search your
engines for the Car Bomb Murder of Don Bolles, the S&L Looting Page and the
Massive Colonias LAND FRAUD debacle that has been rampant in the Southwestern
US for decades. The fact is simple the FBI and US DOJ and several States
Attorney Generals are COVERING UP major felonies (Mispression of Felonies
USCA 18 Art 4) or Obstructing justice so that the Bank Lootings and the Land
Fraud perpetraters are never brought to justice. Folks this is as real
CONSPIRACY direcly linked to the DNC and RNC Campaign Finance Debacle pt
that was financed by that $550 BILLION that came up missing from US S&Ls and
Banks during the 1980s.
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Aloha, He'Ping,
Om, Shalom, Salaam.
Em Hotep, Peace Be,
Omnia Bona Bonis,
All My Relations.
Adieu, Adios, Aloha.
Amen.
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[ric carter]

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SkeptiNews 991015d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No aquatic apes were greatly harmed during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ The Temple of the Screaming Electron: http://www.totse.com/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# STOCK DROP: Astrologist sees more market woes. Appliance repairman Robert
  Hitt's side job is financial astrology and the stars are telling him the
  market will decline until May 5, 2000 -- a day when the solar system will
  serve up "the most significant alignment of planets that we'll see in our
  lifetime. I'm expecting a major low in the market." Better believe him:
  http://www.phillynews.com/inquirer/99/Oct/15/business/STARMAN15.htm

: Do you trade astrologically? Have you correlated past market performance
with planetary motions? Do voices in your head handle your accounts? Well?

# MUFON news: NASA FILM SHOWS UFOs - multiple UFO sightings - CANADA CROP
  CIRCLES - likely blimps - POSSIBLE NEW PLANET FOUND IN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM -
  SPACE JUNK RE-ENTRY PREDICTIONS - FALUN GONG BUSTS CONTINUE - UNDERGROUND
  VAULTS AT WRIGHT PATTERSON: http://sightings.com/ufo5/ufoshow.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Secrets of super zip revealed. Researchers have created the first atomic-
  resolution image of a donut-shaped enzyme that unwinds the DNA double
  helix. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_475000/475085.stm

@ Links - Cell: http://www.cell.com/
@ Ellenberger Group: http://sbweb.med.harvard.edu/~tome/

: Have you unwound any DNA lately? Has anyone unwound your DNA? Did they put
it back right? Do you unzip a great deal? Have you ever been caught at it??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Positive thinking 'cuts no ice with cancer'. (BBC) Neither stressful
  events, nor a woman's 'fighting spirit' have any impact on the likeli-
  hood of developing or dying from breast cancer, say scientists.
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_475000/475128.stm

: Have you caused/cured any diseases with  sheer willpower lately? Do you
prefer willpower to drugs, surgery, prevention? Are you still alive? Why??

@ Ethno-Mycology: http://www.sirius.com/~holy/mushroom.html
@ Space transportation: http://www.aleph.se/Trans/Tech/Space/
@ The economics of science fiction: http://hanson.berkeley.edu/econofsf.html
@ Computational chemistry: http://nano.xerox.com/nanotech/compChemLinks.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Humans have downward-pointing nostrils, a dive reflex, skin-bonded
  subcutaneous fat, and a number of other peculiar traits that we share
  with aquatic mammals but do not share with other primates. The Aquatic
  Ape Theory http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5168/aat_leaflet.html attempts
  to give an evolutionary explanation of these and other traits. Needless
  to say, it's http://www.geocities.com/Athens/5168/aat.html controversial.

: Are you an aquatic ape? Can you swim? Did you evolve? Are you a primate?
How do you know? Were you planted here? Do you float? Are you bloated? Why?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Data raiders prove power grids, infrastructure vulnerable. WASHINGTON. The
  ground rules were simple: Use laptop computers purchased at local stores &
  software downloaded off the Net. Target only unclassified govt computer
  systems. And see how far you can get. "Red Team" hackers hit the jackpot.
  In less than 3 months, a team of about 30 NSA geeks secretly penetrated
  computers that control electrical grids in Los Angeles, Washington & other
  major cities. They broke into networks that direct 911 emergency-response
  systems. They even got access to the Pentagon's National Military Command
  Center, the heart of America's war-fighting operation. If they can do it,
  so can I: http://www7.mercurycenter.com/premium/nation/docs/cyberwar10.htm

@ Hacker Alert: http://ojr.usc.edu/content/sectionfront.cfm?request=10

: What national/regional/local infrastructures would you like to disable?
Have you practiced? Where? Have you caused any disruptions/deaths yet? Who?

@ Multics was developed in the mid-1960s in the programming language
  PL/1. Unix folklore has it that Unix began as a miniature mutant
  offshoot of Multics. http://www.multicians.org/multics.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Pakistani coup spreads to the Internet. (BBC) Hackers have taken over
  one of the official websites of the Pakistan Government while other
  official sites have disappeared from the Internet. Cyberwar spreads:
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_473000/473991.stm

# THE UNABOMBER: Ted Kaczynski Talks -- From his "Supermax" jail, Kaczynski
  talks about his upcoming book, relations with his brother and his future:
  http://www.pathfinder.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,32213,00.html

: What is the most efficient way to apply force in a wired world. Would you
rather hack, bomb, shoot, burn, i

[CTRL] THE WACO BOMB PAGE IS BACK

[Joe Feck]

 -Caveat Lector-

Original Message Follows
From: Ian Goddard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: WACO BOMB UPDATE
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:49:04 -0500 (CDT)

THE WACO BOMB PAGE IS BACK:

http://ian.goddard.net/wacorom2.htm

Careful measurement of the proper location
of the concrete room backed with a new webpage
(http://ian.goddard.net/measure.htm) showing
how it's done to satisfy one and all that it
is correct proves that my initial placement
was not more than roughly four-feet off, the
result being effectively nill... the blast is
decisively on top of the room, not coming from
behind it where a propane tank was located,
about ten-feet away from the room's rear wall.

I have also received many counters that allay
the skeptical concerns I cited, which I will
cover in subsequent messages. Observe that the
base of the stem of the fireball is about ten-
feet wide or more, which means that this is
NOT a thin jet of gas streaming from the valve
of an over-heated propane tank! Those who know
about these tanks tell me that an overheated
tank venting its contents would NOT produce
the explosive fireball seen. Also observe that
the fireball has carried debris up with it,
which is another phenomena not consistent
with gas being ejected from and escape valve.

I now feel embarrassed for having retracted
my declaration of proof of a military-grade
explosive going off. To be frank, there is
simply NO other phenomenon that could produce
the dramatic distribution of debris seen on
the inside http://ian.goddard.net/freezer.jpg
of the concrete room. Fire will not do this!
I hope people appreciate -- and forgive! --
my often-excessive efforts to be sure that
my analysis is accurate. I'm my worst critic!

The bomb theory is back and really is one of
the major issues of Waco, exactly what happened
in that utterly demolished room where the women
and children were hideously burned and mutilated?
The physical evidence cries out: A BOMB, A BOMB:

http://users.erols.com/igoddard/wacorom2.htm

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[CTRL] Monsanto herbicide 'could damage ecosystem'

[Joe Feck]

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Guardian (London)Wednesday October 13, 1999


Monsanto herbicide 'could damage ecosystem'

Paul Baldwin

Environmental campaigners last night demanded a Europe-wide ban on the
world's biggest selling weedkiller - the bulk of which is supplied by US
biotechnology firm Monsanto - after warnings that it could could kill
insects and spiders vital to agricultural ecosystems.

The call from Friends of the Earth came after a leaked European Union
draft document warned that the chemical gly-phosate, a key ingredient of
Monsanto's glyphosate-based herbicide Roundup, could harm insects which
act as a natural check on crop pests.

The American multi-national also produces genetically engineered
glyphosate immune seed crops designed to be used in conjunction with the
weedkiller.

Yesterday it was revealed that the confidential EU report concluded that
glyphosate should not be approved for use in Europe, warning "harmful
effects" on insects and spiders "cannot be excluded".

Unrelated research in Sweden has also linked the chemical herbicide with
the cancer known as non-Hodgkins lymphoma.

A spokesman for Monsanto said the company "refutes absolutely" both claims
about glyphosate, which he labelled the most benign herbicide in the
world.


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Guardian (London)Wednesday October 13, 1999

Biotech industry attacked
 Jane Martinson in New York

International consumer activists accused the American biotechnology
industry and US government of "bio-colonialism" yesterday and vowed to
step up their campaign against genetically modified foods in the United
States.

In their first joint meeting, six international organisations accused the
US government of backing big businesses such as Monsanto and Du Pont
through its trade policy.

The organisations made a pledge to campaign intensively against the
biotechnology industry and the American government in the weeks leading up
to the November meeting of the World Trade Organisation in Seattle.

Sylvia Ribeiro, a campaigner for Rural Advancement Foundation
International, said that a handful of companies were forcing farmers in
poor countries to adopt their products.

"We see this technology as a new bio-colonialism," she said at the meeting
in New York yesterday. "A group of companies are imposing it and its
consequences on many billions of people."

Benedikt Haerlin, global co-ordinator on biotechnology for Greenpeace,
said: "Monsanto is an ambassador for this technology, basically force
feeding Europeans and not giving them the choice."

Share prices for big biotechnology companies have fallen sharply in the
past few months as European lobbies have led consumers to reject GM foods.

Companies are terrified about the possible impact of the American consumer
following the European example. Transplanted seeds are used in half of the
soybean and a third of the corn crop in the US.

These seeds are used in the manufacture of some of the country's
best-known foodstuffs - from Heinz ketchup and the syrup in cola drinks to
McDonalds' hamburger buns.

In recent weeks Monsanto, one of the companies most affected by the
European revolt, has called for those on both sides of the argument to
attempt to reach some "common ground" on the use of the technology, which
it claims has beneficial side-effects.

Mr Haerlin indicated that such accommodation is some way off, however.

He said that Greenpeace needed much more scientific evidence about the
effects on the environment of injecting genes into crops - as well as on
health - before it could agree to its use. "You should never say never,"
he said.

However, he added that there was unlikely to be enough research "within
the next five or 10 years".

The organisations' strategy group includes Britain's Intermediate
Technology Development Group as well as campaigners from South Africa and
Asia.

Patrick Mulvany, the food security policy adviser for the ITDG, said the
campaigners would also reject the Amnerican government "dumping" any
unwanted crop on the developing world.

"It would be irresponsible and immoral simply to dump this stuff as food
aid," he said.

The ITDG is a member of the genetic engineering alliance, which is
proposing that there should be a five-year freeze on the use of organisms
which are genetically modified.

The joint strategy group is planning a multi-pronged assault on the US
consumer through a combination of press events and legal action.

However, with a limited budget at its desposal it is unlikely to be able
to launch a large advertising campaign. Mr Haerlin said his annual budget
for the issue at Greenpeace was just $250,000.

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[CTRL] Medical Marijuana Alert: The Battle is On in Congress

[Joe Feck]

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Original Message Follows
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Subject: Medical Marijuana Alert: The Battle is On in Congress
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:27:14 +


10/13/99
Dear friend:

 If you've been reading DRCNet, you know that the people
of Washington, DC passed a pro-medical marijuana initiative
by an overwhelming margin last year, but hard-line drug
warriors in Congress -- principally Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia
-- prevented the vote from even being counted for more than
10 months.  And you know that a federal court found Barr's
vote-suppression law unconstitutional, and the vote has now
been released -- but Barr and his allies have vowed to
overturn DC's democratic, voter-approved medical marijuana
initiative through an act of Congress.

 Since we wrote you last on this issue, legislation has
been introduced in the House and the Senate that would
overturn the will of the voters on medical marijuana, and
Congress is preparing to vote on them, and soon.  But
because the issue is not only medical marijuana, but
democracy itself, there's a real chance that enough members
of Congress could vote our way to save medical marijuana in
Washington.

 Congress has 30 "working days" to move against DC's
medical marijuana initiative, so the battle is on now.  If
you haven't yet written Congress on this issue, we need you
to do so now; and if you have written, we need you to write
your representative and your two senators again, with the
numbers of the legislation you want them to oppose:  H.R.
2959 and H.J. Res. 69 in the House (by Rep. Bob Barr, R-GA)
and S.J. Res. 35 in the Senate (by Sen. George Voinovich,
R-OH).

 DRCNet is collaborating with other organizations working
on this effort, so this time we are asking you to visit a
web site sponsored by our friends at the Marijuana Policy
Project.  Please visit http://www.mpp.org/i59/ to send an
e-mail or fax to Congress, find your reps' phone numbers to
call, and tell your friends so they can take action on this
urgent matter too.  Patients shouldn't go to prison for
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Today's Lesson from The Secret Agent


by Joseph Conrad



"This is what you should try for. An attempt upon a crowned head or on a
president is sensational enough in a way, but not so much as it used to be.
It has entered into the general conception of the existence of chiefs of
state. It's almost conventional--especially since so many presidents have
been assassinated. Now let us take an outrage upon--say a church. Horrible
enough at first sight, no doubt, and yet not so effective as a person of an
ordinary mind might think. No matter how revolutionary and anarchist in
inception, there would be fools enough to give such an outrage the character
of a religious manifestation. And that would detract from the especially
alarming significance we wish to give to the act. A murderous attempt on a
restaurant or a theatre would suffer in the same way from the suggestion of
non-political passion; the exasperation of a hungry man, an act of social
revenge. All this is used up; it is no longer instructive as an object lesson
in revolutionary anarchism. Every newspaper has ready-made phrases to explain
such manifestations away. I am about to give you the philosophy of bomb
throwing from my point of view; from the point of view you pretend to have
been serving for the last eleven years. I will try not to talk above your
head. The sensibilities of the class you are attacking are soon blunted.
Property seems to them an indestructible thing. You can't count upon their
emotions either of pity or fear for very long. A bomb outrage to have any
influence on public opinion now must go beyond the intention of vengeance or
terrorism. It must be purely destructive. It must be that, and only that,
beyond the faintest suspicious of any other object. . . ."
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The Fourth Estate


Film Skewers 60 Minutes


Mike Wallace and Don Hewitt: as full of shit as ever.

"The Insider" is dynamite. It hasn't even gone off yet and already debris is
falling and people are claiming to have been hurt. The fact-based film, which
will have its gala Washington premiere Nov. 4 at the Uptown Theatre, has
sparked a furious war of words between movie people in Hollywood and
broadcast journalists in New York.
Before it's over, this skirmish between celebrities may widen into a war
between giant corporate mega-powers--Disney, which made the film, on one side
and CBS Inc. on the other, with individuals caught in the crossfire. And that
is partly what the movie itself is all about.
Mike Wallace, star correspondent of "60 Minutes," is depressed and saddened
by the film and calls it a "betrayal," though he's yet to see it and bases
his objections on reading the script. Don Hewitt, creator and executive
producer of "60 Minutes," is on the proverbial warpath and, says Wallace,
"the closer it comes, the more exercised he's been getting."
They both complain that Michael Mann, the film's director, "refuses" to show
them the completed film. "I can't show it to them," Mann says from Hollywood.
"And the reason I can't is that at every opportunity they have attacked the
picture, attacked me and misrepresented past history. On the day the
president of CBS News called to ask me for a screening, the publicist for '60
Minutes' was taking shots at me in the press. It makes no sense to show them
the film."
Wallace and Hewitt are worried about the movie because it exhumes a dark,
sorry period in the otherwise virtuous life of "60 Minutes." In 1995, the
program was to broadcast an interview with Jeffrey Wigand, a scientist and
former vice president at Brown & Williamson Tobacco Corp. In the interview,
Wigand said that company CEO Thomas E. Sandefur Jr. lied to Congress when he
claimed ignorance about the addictive nature of nicotine.
Wigand had been a reluctant whistle-blower, courted and prodded by "60
Minutes" segment producer Lowell Bergman into going public despite
considerable risk to Wigand's career and personal life. But at the last
minute, CBS News executives, including Hewitt, backed down from airing the
interview when a CBS Inc. attorney told them Brown & Williamson could sue the
network for billions if it aired.
Humiliated, Wallace went on the air with a weak Big Tobacco story in which
Wigand was not identified, his face was obscured and his remarks were heavily
censored. Wallace told viewers that CBS Corporate had made the decision.
Bergman, infuriated by what seemed shameful cowardice, leaked the story to
New York newspapers and finally, nearly three months later, "60 Minutes"
viewers saw the Wigand interview that had been withheld. Bergman subsequently
left CBS out of disillusionment with the system.
Wallace is upset because he fears the film makes it look as if he didn't
fight hard enough to get the original story on the air. Earlier this year, he
fired off a series of letters to Mann objecting to portions of an early draft
of the script by Eric Roth, whose prev

[CTRL] "Mind Control Victim Awarded $1 Million [Free R "

[Kris Millegan]

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Mind Control Victim Awarded $1 Million

Crime/Corruption News Keywords: MIND CONTROL, PEDOPHILIA, SATANISM
Source: Media Bypass
Published: June 1999 Author: Uri Dowbenko
Posted on 09/27/1999 08:32:47 PDT by jedediah smith


U.S. government mind control programs, like MK-Ultra and Monarch, directed
against helpless victims--human guinea pigs--have been virtually ignored by
the Big Media Cartel.
On Feb. 27, 1999, however, U.S. District Court Judge Warren Urbom found
former Franklin S&L manager Lawrence E. King guilty of numerous crimes
committed against mind control victim Paul A. Bonacci.
King, serving a 15-year sentence for his role in the theft of $40 million
from Franklin, an Omaha, Neb., credit union, was ordered by Judge Urbom to
pay Bonacci $800,000 in compensatory damages and an additional $200,000 in
punitive damages.
This legal judgement against a notorious perpetrator of satanic-ritual child
abuse is unprecedented.
In the Memorandum of Decision, Judge Urbom wrote, "King continually subjected
the plaintiff [Bonacci] to repeated sexual assaults, false imprisonment,
infliction of extreme emotional distress, organized and directed satanic
rituals, forced the plaintiff to 'scavenge' for children to be a part of the d
efendant King's sexual abuse and pornography ring, forced the plaintiff to
engage in numerous sexual contacts with the defendant King and others and
participate in deviate sexual games and masochistic orgies with other minor
children.
"He [Bonacci] has suffered burns, broken fingers, beatings of the head and
face and other indignities by the wrongful actions of the defendant King,"
the judge declared. "In addition to the misery of going through the
experiences just related over a period of eight years [1980-1988], the
plaintiff has suffered the lingering results to the present time. "He
[Bonacci] is a victim of multiple personality disorder, involving as many as
14 distinct personalities aside from his primary personality," wrote the
judge. "He has given up a desired military career and received threats on his
life. He suffers from sleeplessness, has bad dreams, has difficulty holding a
job, is fearful that others are following him, fears getting killed, has
depressing flashbacks, and is verbally violent on occasion, all in connection
with the multiple personality disorder and caused by the wrongful activities
of the defendant King."
Franklin Coverup
Bonacci's lawyer, John DeCamp, has waged a long, lonely and expensive legal
campaign in exposing crimes involving an international pedophile-pornography
ring.
In 1991, DeCamp filed a 12-count suit in federal court, charging 16 prominent
individuals and institutions, including Lawrence E. King, Omaha World Herald
Publisher Harold Andersen and the Omaha Police Department with conspiracy to
deprive Paul Bonacci of his civil rights. DeCamp's suit detailed slander,
false imprisonment, child abuse, assault, battery and infliction of emotional
distress suffered by Bonacci.
The complex case also involved high-level politicians, business leaders,
judges and police officials with connections to the drug distribution/money
laundering operations known as "Iran"-Contra which goes back to then
Vice-President George Bush.
DeCamp, a former Nebraska State Senator, even wrote a groundbreaking book
about the sordid history of the case called The Franklin Cover-Up: Child
Abuse, Satanism and Murder in Nebraska.
Monarch Project
The horrendous Monarch Project "refers to young people in America who were
victims of mind control experiments run either by U.S. government agencies
such as the Central Intelligence Agency or military intelligence agencies,"
writes DeCamp.
"The story told by Monarch victims--one of whom was Paul Bonacci--is that
they were tortured for the purpose of creating 'multiple personalities'
within them," DeCamp continues from his book. "These multiple personalities
could then be programmed--as spies, 'drug mules,' prostitutes or assassins."
An article by Anton Chaitkin, quoted in the book, states that "professionals
probing the child victims of 'Monarch' say there are clearly two responsible
elements at work: the government/military, and cooperating satanic (or more
exactly pagan) cults. These are multi-generation groups, whose parents donate
their own children--who are proudly called 'bloodline' or simply 'blood'
cultists--to be smashed with drugs and electric shock and shaped. Other
children are kidnapped and sold into this hell, or are brought in gradually
through day care situations.
"Paul Bonacci and other child victims have given evidence in gre

[CTRL] Fwd: The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #112

[Kris Millegan]

The Week Online with DRCNet, Issue #112 -- October 15, 1999
   A Publication of the Drug Reform Coordination Network

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MEDICAL MARIJUANA INITIATIVE!  Please write your Senators now!
http://www.drcnet.org/alerts/101399.html



TABLE OF CONTENTS

1.  California Attorney General Urges Reno Not to Call for
Rehearing of Medical Marijuana Case
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/112.html#lockyerreno

2.  GHB Closer to Schedule I Status
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/112.html#ghbstatus

3.  DPF ALERT:  Senator Session's Version of Civil Asset
Forfeiture Reform Bill Worse than Nothing; Public Action
Needed
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/112.html#dpfalert

4.  House Holds Hearing on Youth-Targeted Anti-Drug Ads
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/112.html#househearing

5.  California Governor Misses the Point, Signs Watered Down
Syringe Exchange Bill
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/112.html#davisnep

6.  Addicted AIDS Patient Kicked to Death by Vigilantes
Following Community Anti-Drug Meeting
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/112.html#vigilantes

7.  Harm Reduction in the Australian Capitol Territory:
A Brief Conversation with Michael Moore
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/112.html#michaelmoore

8.  Jamaican Parliament Approves Commission to Look at
Decriminalization of Marijuana
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/112.html#jamaicacommission

9.  Hemp Embargo Continues
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/112.html#hempembargo

10. Public Comment Still Needed on Proposed Methadone
Changes in U.S.
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/112.html#methadoneregs

11. Cato Conference Proceedings Online
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/112.html#catoconference

12. Job Opportunity
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/112.html#normljob

13. EDITORIAL:  Just Another Front Page Drug Bust
http://www.drcnet.org/wol/112.html#editorial



1. California Attorney General Urges Reno Not to Call for
   Rehearing of Medical Marijuana Case

California Attorney General Bill Lockyer sent a letter to
U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno this week urging her to
forego the filing of a petition to the 9th Circuit Court of
Appeals seeking a rehearing of the Oakland Cannabis Buyers'
Club case.  The appellate decision, as it now stands, calls
upon the District Court to reconsider its ruling against the
assertion of a medical necessity defense in cases of
medicinal use of marijuana.

Locker wrote, in part: "As you know, the voters in my state
have endorsed the medicinal use of marijuana and the court's
decision holding that a citizen may present evidence that
the use of marijuana, under certain narrow conditions, may
be a lawful exception to the federal drug laws is consistent
with that expression of their will."

Robert Raich, lead counsel for the Oakland CBC, said, "The
significance of this letter is that it represents a concrete
action Bill Lockyer has taken in support of legal access to
medical cannabis, and by writing in an attorney-general-to-
attorney-general capacity, it might actually have a positive
effect with the Clinton Administration."

Nathan Barankin, spokesman for Attorney General Lockyer,
told The Week Online that while their office has no
indication of how the letter will be received at Justice,
they are doing all they can to resolve the federal/state
dispute.

"The reality is that the voters of California passed an
initiative which directly contradicts federal law," Barankin
said.  "Attorney General Lockyer is attempting to make the
best of that untenable position.  He is doing everything in
his power to implement Proposition 215, and the 9th Circuit
opinion, which is narrowly drawn, provides, in our opinion,
the right sort of guidance on how to do that."

The 9th Circuit Court decision can be read online at
http://www.ce9.uscourts.gov/opinions -- scroll down to the
"September" link and then click on the "USA V Cannabis" link
from September 13.  The relevant portion is in the section
entitled "Denial of the Motion to Modify."



2. GHB Closer to Schedule I Status

The U.S. government has moved a step closer to placing a
drug popular with club goers on its list of most-hated
substances along with marijuana, heroin, crack cocaine and
LSD.  The Hillory J. Farias Date Rape Prevention Act, a bill
that would make GHB, or gamma y-hydroxybutrate, a Schedule I
drug passed the House of Representatives this week by a vote
of 423-1.  Rep. Ron Paul of Texas was the lone

Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

[Gavin Phillips]

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First off, I do not know why [EMAIL PROTECTED] is posting e-mail that I
received from Lloyd Pye in a question I had regarding Dasgoat's comments. I
would further ask that [EMAIL PROTECTED] at least be accurate enough, when
forwarding an e-mail I hadn't even read yet, to attribute Lloyd Pye's
comments to him and not start off with my name. Further, in the interest of
good manners and a modicum of etiquette, it would behoove [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to at least e-mail me first informing me that he received the same message
from Lloyd Pye and that he will forward it to the list.

Finally, I do not agree with Pye's personal attacks on Dasgoat and although
he makes some useful points, he tends to lose some credibility because of the
aforementioned attacks. What I would like to know is which scholars have
criticized Sitchin, what they have said and where they have said it. The
problem with this whole thing is that Sitchin is one of only about a 100 (is
that an accurate figure?) or so people who can translate cuneiform, so
finding somebody who can translate it is very difficult, finding somebody who
can translate it and be objective-well, good luck. Gavin.



In a message dated 10/15/99 4:15:03 AM Central Daylight Time,
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<< My Goodness guys, talk about spreading the word..Das's comments have been
 right around the world..

 Peter

 A defense of Sitchin. Read the comments and complaints at the bottom, then
 go up to the top to read my reply...


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 From: lloydpye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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 Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 2:17 AM
 Subject: Re: Question Regarding Sitchin


 >Gavin:
 >
 >Dasgoat sounds like either a wannabe--or possibly even an
 >accredited--scholar who is unable to get his/her own ideas (whatever they
 >might be) accepted at a popular level (and probably not even at a peer
 >level), so (s)he is outraged (as so many of them are) that someone like
 >Zecharia should have such enormous popular success without going through
 the >>

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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] [Fwd: I will pay to get this mirrored and published]

[Kris Millegan]

This I find to be the rule rather than the exception.

Can you imagine such a thing, a man in Texas with a web site
that explains Texas bank looting better than any in the
world and guess what?  He is having the same kind of
uncommon problems keeping his site up as I do.  Yesterday my
site received a low of 38 visitors --- none from search
engines.  I am trying to figure out what I am doing
differently from the time I had more that 300,000 visitors a
day.

I have said it before.  Free Speech is burning in cyber
space.

Can anyone help this guy?




Brian Downing Quig


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My claims are very TRUE and as such incredibly dangerous to at least FBI.  
The Death of Don Bolles and what he found is virtually mirrored in Texas.  
Search COLONIAS Brian, the reported COLONIAS (Illegal Subdivisions) are the 
tip of the Great Texas Bank Job.   I have been having my site postings 
virtually immediately KNOCKED DOWN.

Judson Witham

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[CTRL] New military unit for domestic deployment

[Mack White]

 -Caveat Lector-

WEDNESDAY
OCTOBER 13
1999

New military unit
for domestic deployment

 By Jon E. Dougherty
 © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

Critics are denouncing recent congressional changes to the Posse Comitatus
Act that will allow a broader use of U.S. military forces in a domestic law
enforcement role including a new unit for deployment in assisting civilian
officers during a terrorist attack.

The new command, established Oct. 7 in Norfolk, Va., will be called the
U.S. Joint Forces Command, and replaces the former U.S. Atlantic Command.
At a ceremony commemorating the new unit, Defense Secretary William Cohen
told participants the American people shouldn't fear the potential of
seeing U.S. military forces on the streets of U.S. cities.

The military must "deal with the threats we are most likely to face," Cohen
told reporters, downplaying concerns about troops operating on home soil.
"The American people should not be concerned about it. They should welcome
it."

The new command is designed to prepare U.S. troops to fight abroad or to
respond if terrorists strike with nuclear, chemical or biological weapons.

In opposing the measure, critics cite the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act, which
prohibits federal troops from
participating in domestic law enforcement activities under most
circumstances. With the concern over domestic terrorism rising since the
World Trade Center bombing and numerous incidences of cyber-attacks on U.S.
defense and financial institutions, the Clinton administration has begun to
relax some of those restrictions.

In July, WorldNetDaily reported the new measures would end the requirement
for local law agencies to reimburse the federal government for any local
use of military equipment, as well as enable the Department of Defense to
deploy military troops in cases of anticipated or actual terrorist
attacks.

Then, David Kopel of the Independence Institute warned that the measures
would, if passed, "set (bad) precedents for years to come."

Since the Waco debacle in 1993, when federal law officers and military
personnel assaulted a church community  resulting in the deaths of over 80
men, women and children, Kopel said the federal government has been
"eroding the  protections contained in the Posse Comitatus Act." In the
past, he told WorldNetDaily, most of the amendments to the  original law
had been based on bogus drug issues. Now, he said, that issue seems to have
shifted to so-called terrorist attacks, or at least the threat of them.

The Defense Department has said only the military has enough equipment to
operate in a poisoned environment, or to manage a massive decontamination
effort. Secretary Cohen told reporters last week that federal law will not
be violated because the military would only respond if requested.

"It is subordinate to civilian control," he said.

But Gregory Nojeim, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties
Union in Washington, D.C., told WorldNetDaily he is concerned about
"nightmare scenarios" like those in the recent films, "Enemy of the State"
and "The Siege."

"Soldiers are not equipped, by training or temperament, to enforce the laws
with proper regard for civil and constitutional rights," he said. "They're
trained to kill the enemy."

Nojeim said the ACLU is concerned about "letting loose the most effective
fighting force in the history of the world" on American civilians.

Cohen said that the creation of the Joint Forces Command would better
coordinate the training of the four armed services. However, history is
replete with reasons why some Americans continue to be hesitant about using
military troops in a law enforcement capacity.

Besides questions about the Army's Delta Force role during the Waco siege,
most recently, in 1997, U.S. Marines assigned to assist the U.S. Border
Patrol in combating illegal  immigration accidentally shot and killed an
18-year-old goat  herder. That force has since been withdrawn and
reassigned,  but lawmakers have remained committed to expanding the
military's civil law enforcement role in other ways.

For example, the military also has been given an expanded role in defending
against cyber-terrorism, or assaults on U.S. computer systems. The U.S.
Space Command in Colorado will be leading that effort.

Nojeim questioned the need for such an expansion of federal military forces
into the domestic law enforcement arena, even though U.S. officials have
said the nation is now at greater risk of terrorist attack. He also
believes the White House should do a better job of educating the American
people about why the changes to the Posse Comitatus law are needed.

"For years the federal government has showered the FBI with hundreds of
millions of new dollars to help it combat crimes involving chemical and
biological weapons," he told  WorldNetDaily. "Taxpayers need to know where
that money has gone and why the president now wants to call in the troops."

Addressing the long-term ramifications of the change in military law

Re: [CTRL] The Illuminati Millennium Rituals

[Ric Carter]

 -Caveat Lector-

- Original Message -
From: YnrChyldzWyld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> >  What a coincidence that the Illuminati-created Gregorian calendar
> >  should be orchestrated to hit the peak of a massive Sun cycle
> >  PRECISELY at the point of the false millennium - January 2000.
>
> January 2000 really IS the date of 'the false millennium', but not in
> the way the poster means

Yah, especially since the Solar Max will occur in mid-2000 CE, according
to a recent press release from NASA.  So the Illuminati set the Greg
calendar off by 6 months or so.  Oops...

> Centuries...and millennia...always end with a year ending in zero, and
> begin with a year ending in '1' (there never having been a year 'zero'
> in our present calendar system)hence, the 20th century really spans
> the years 1901 thru 2000, NOT 1900 thru 1999.

Yah, Dennis the Insignificant and his successors really screwed up by
adopting a base-1 system, rather than base-zero.  Of course, {JHWH}
hadn't told them about zero, so they couldn't have done any better.

> The first millenium spanned the years 1 thru 1000; the second millenium
> started with the year 1001, and will end at the stroke of midnight on
> December 31, 2000.  The third millenium doesn't start until January 1,
> 2001 (in our present calendar system).

This is a theological debate, not numerical.  Consensus is impossible.
Anyway, numerous other calendar systems have already passed their 2nd,
4th, 6th millennia without discernible damage [or benefit] to humanity.
Those expecting this time-passage to be any different are [character-
ization deleted].  But it gives them something to obsess over...

Depending on who does the calculating, we're actually approaching year
7500 AM [Anno Mundi, since the creation of the world, a calendric system
used by Byzantium and its heirs for quite awhile.]  2000?  Piffle!!  A
very small number...

Let me again recommend an excellent review of Western Civ's interaction
with timemarks - CENTURY'S END: An Orientation Manual Toward The Year
2000, by Hillel Schwartz [Doubleday, 1990-1996].

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3

[ric carter]

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SkeptiNews 991015c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No mindless morons went unexploited during production of this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ GamaSutra - Game Design News: http://www.gamasutra.com/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Plans hatched for giant telescope. (BBC) Australian astronomers hope to
  build a unique telescope that looks like an array of "eggs on legs".
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_473000/473559.stm

# 2 Ton Alien Hairball In Oz. Leading geneticist Ian McCaulway says a
  two-ton spherical object found in the Australian outback is actually
  a memento of some enormous extraterrestrial's digestive tract.
  http://www.space.com/area51/tabloid_hairball_991013.html

: Have you discovered any alien hairballs lately? Are they impressive, icky,
fluorescent, radioactive, ectoplasmic, holy, crystalline, unknowable, dense?
Are the most interesting artifacts/discoveries/breweries Australian? Why??

@ Amazing 1897 'Airship' Article Unearthed:
  http://home.fuse.net/ufo/Aeribarque.html
@ Piercing The Gloom And Doom With Facts:
  http://www.worldtribune.com/hu-3.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# US DoE Establishes Test Bed For Computer Storage-Intensive Applications.
  Today's scientific researchers are generating staggering volumes of data,
  with data sources ranging from computational simulations of global and
  regional climate, to digital instrumentation of physical experiments and
  satellite imagery. Add projects such as human genome mapping, with massive
  demands for rapid user access, and it's easy to see why strategies for
  optimizing data storage and retrieval are vital for research laboratories.
  Govt help: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/10/991014075202.htm

: If govt agents steal your soul, where will they store it? Is soul-storage
the real impetus behind data-optimization research? Are disk drives satanic?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Holy Water Found On Moon. Although NASA spokesmen recently confirmed that
  the Lunar Prospector found no water on the lunar surface, the Weekly World
  News stubbornly insists that the probe not only discovered water, but holy
  water at that. http://www.space.com/area51/tabloid_moonwater_991013.html

: Did the Vatican complete its takeover of Luna yet? Will the Pope's Jubilee
message include a demand for total submission by all humans, on threat of
bombardment from Lunar bases? What power is contained in the Papal sceptre?

# Huge Unseen Planet Proposed Circling Our Sun - Nibiru?
  http://www.sightings.com/ufo5/nib.htm
@ Original Zechariah Sitchin Remarks On The 12th Planet:
  http://www.sightings.com/ufo5/12thplanet.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ "CULTURE" BETWEEN ICE AGES. When your current infrastructure breaks down,
  and soon it will my human friends, and the next ice age begins, only about
  12,000 years will pass before you will start making your tools of stone
  and your clothes from animal hide again! http://www.thule.org/iceages.html

: Are you prepared for the upcoming ice age? Do you have plenty of Sterno?
Will your alien masters desert you when Terra freezes over? Will you weep?

# Screensaver to predict climate change. A UK scientist is appealing
  for anyone with a home computer to help forecast how the Earth might
  be affected by global warming in the next century. The big chill?
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_473000/473856.stm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# France legalizes unwed couples. (AP) A new French law gives unmarried
  couples - including gays - the same status as married couples, including
  the right to file joint tax forms and to bring foreign partners to France.
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561629323-2fb

# Japanese Woman & ET Nearing 7 Year Mark. A Japanese woman & the space
  alien she learned to love are nearing their 7-year wedding anniversary.
  Receptionist Miyoki Tanaka, 25, married the extraterrestrial known only
  as "X1431" on March 29, 1993, in a traditional Shinto ceremony.
  http://www.space.com/area51/tabloid_alienwedding_991013.html

: Are you unconventionally mated? How? Is your spouse human, alien, animal,
vegetable, mineral, robotic, virtual, divine? Do you file tax forms? Why??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Occult in Public Schools? SACRAMENTO, Calif. - The implementation of the
  Waldorf curriculum - an educational philosophy related to the New Age
  religion "Anthroposophy" - in some California public schools, has stirred
  up controversy as opponents say its use violates the U.S. Constitution.
  http://worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19991001_xex_public_schoo.shtml

: Have you infiltrated your belief system into public education? Have you
taken control of many innocent minds yet? Have you bent them to your will?

# Evil-twin cleansing fraudster is busted. Sacramento c

Re: [CTRL] Starr Out; Successor on Deck (fwd)

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 10/15/1999 4:19:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<<  The three-judge panel that picked Starr is set to name Bob
 Ray, a 40-year-old native Washingtonian who worked as a deputy
 under Independent Counsel Donald Smaltz before joining Starr’s
 office, where he will take over the sprawling nearly six-year
 investigation of President Clinton. >>

Oh good.  I can't tell you how pleased I am to know that the "three-judge
panel" will be spending more tax money for their favorite armchair
recreation.  Now that we're finally getting rid of Starr, isn't there some
way we can get rid of the "three-judge panel"?  Can we make them finance this
thing privately?  Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] CNN Reported Wen Ho Lee May Have Downloaded Nuclear Legacy ...

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

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MAY have???What does this mean?  I MAY need to know.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Mouthpiece & Moore

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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>From Slate.CoM

"" What's troublesome is the evidence that Bush has an unusually distant
relationship to the material in his speeches. ""

The Guy Reading Mike Gerson's Speeches
By: Jacob Weisberg
Posted Wednesday, Oct. 13, 1999, at 2:36 p.m.
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It was the criticism of conservatives in George W. Bush's big speech on
education last week that got all the attention. Far more interesting, though,
was the idea of conservative activist government that the shrub articulated.
"Our Founders rejected cynicism and cultivated a noble love of country. That
love is undermined by sprawling, arrogant, aimless government. It is restored
by focused and effective and energetic government," W. said. "And that should
be our goal: a limited government, respected for doing a few things and doing
them well."

This phraseology recalled a series of articles written by David Brooks and
William Kristol of the Weekly Standard in 1997 calling for what the authors
dubbed "national greatness conservatism." The echoes of their writing in Bush's
speech were very clear indeed. Brooks and Kristol cited examples of this kind
of government from Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Reagan, citing the
Homestead Act, the national parks, and the Panama Canal. Bush used the same
presidents and the same examples. Kristol and Brooks called for "limited and
energetic government." Bush called for "effective and energetic government."
Brooks and Kristol: "Instead of arguing that government should be limited ...
[Republicans] have often argued that government is itself evil."

Bush: "Too often my party has confused the need for limited government with a
disdain for government itself."

What this shows, I think, is that Bush wasn't simply "triangulating" or
"pushing off" right-wing conservatives like Robert Bork and Tom DeLay. He was
tapping in (candidates being allowed to plagiarize from journalists) to a line
of intelligent, moderate conservative argument about the federal government's
rightful responsibilities. But the question arises: How did W. come to adopt
the Brooks-Kristol concept of national-greatness conservatism? Or perhaps the
question should be how the Brooks-Kristol concept found its way into his
speech.

The answer is Bush's chief speechwriter and senior policy adviser, Mike Gerson.
Gerson is an evangelical Christian and one of the original champions of "faith-
based social programs," an idea he promoted when he worked for Indiana Senator
Dan Coats. Gerson's--I mean Coats'--idea, was to allow tax credits (and not
just a deduction) for contributions to charities. Speechwriter Gerson is also
credited with Bob Dole's attack on Hollywood in 1996 as well as the address
Steve Forbes gave to the Christian Coalition in 1997, the one that convinced
the religious right to accept Forbes' conversion from the supply side to the
Lord's side. After a stint working as a journalist for U.S. News, he joined the
Bush campaign this year. Gerson didn't return my phone calls, but the
assumption that he is responsible for most of the intellectual and historical
references in Bush's speeches--such as a tribute to Albert Shanker of the
American Federation of Teachers in last week's address--is widespread among
conservative insiders. Bush doesn't mention Al Shanker when speaking off the
cuff.

Of course, Bush is not the only politician who uses a speechwriter. What's
troublesome is the evidence that Bush has an unusually distant relationship to
the material in his speeches. Did Bush even read the Brooks and Kristol
articles? His boast to the Washington Post a few months ago that he doesn't
waste his time reading policy tomes, combined with the way he delivers his
speeches, might lead you to suspect otherwise. Bush squints into the
teleprompter, sounding out the words streaming by as if encountering them for
the first time. In his education speech, he tripped over the term "exemplary,"
which came out of his mouth as "exemplarary," and he referred to the Walter
Sisulu Children's Academy, a charter school named after the late ANC leader, as
"Sizzle-oo." He called the Manhattan Institute, one of the more influential
conservative think tanks, simply "Manhattan Institute," without the definite
article, a minor-seeming mistake that suggests he doesn't fully grasp what he's
saying.

Bill Bennett unwittingly provided some additional support for this suspicion
when he appeared on Meet the Press on Sunday and tried to defend Bush from the
charge of conservative-bashing. Asked about Bush's slight against Bork, Bennett
described it as "unfortunate." He continued:

And I, as somebody who read that speech beforehand--and I will take some
responsibility for not seeing that. The line is "Republicans who talk as if
we're slouching toward Gomorrah." It was to represent a line of thought, not a
personal attack on Bob Bork's book. But that's the title of the book. I think
notes are going to Bob Bork, saying, you know, "

Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

[Dale Stonehouse]

 -Caveat Lector-

On Friday, October 15, 1999 7:45 AM, Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> Recently, IMHO, he has even begun to argue AGAINST his OWN "evidence,"
simply
> to preserve his belief in the religion of his fathers, which is actually
> turned on its head by
> logical analysis of what he has taken great pains to "reveal" in all his
> earlier writings.
> How "scholarly" is a man who contradicts his own work's logic, misleading
his
> readers
> who by now are willing to accept "on faith" ANYTHING he says as a "cosmic
> truth"?

To quote Abraham Lincoln:

"I shall proudly stand up for what I believe in today, even if it
contradicts everything I believed in yesterday."

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Re: [CTRL] The Illuminati Millennium Rituals

[YnrChyldzWyld]

 -Caveat Lector-

> What a coincidence that the Illuminati-created Gregorian calendar
> should be orchestrated to hit the peak of a massive Sun cycle
> PRECISELY at the point of the false millennium - January 2000.

January 2000 really IS the date of 'the false millennium', but not in the
way the poster means

Centuries...and millennia...always end with a year ending in zero, and
begin with a year ending in '1' (there never having been a year 'zero' in
our present calendar system)hence, the 20th century really spans the
years 1901 thru 2000, NOT 1900 thru 1999.

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Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

[Das GOAT]

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Seeing now that Sitchin himself is apparently reading my posts, before this
topic turns into a flame-war, let me spell out the "good news" that, sadly,
is at risk of being eroded by the "bad news" of which I was messenger in my
accusations about "feet of clay "...

Sitchin does have a place in history for being the person to succeed in what
Erich von Daniken attempted but failed at -- the lifting of the "alien origin
hypothesis" to a plane where it can be SERIOUSLY considered, in the light of
the "mythology" ("religion" would be more accurate) of ancient cultures like
the Sumerian where it was held to be TRUE.
His greatest accomplishment is in COMPILING all those myths for us,
cross-culturally, and showing how SIMILAR they are in their depiction of the
presiding "gods" and their "creation" of Homo sapiens as a slave-laborer in
their service.  Taken as "evidence,"
presented to more open-minded space-age readers, these texts speak for
themselves.
There is nothing particularly objectionable in Sitchin's summations and
attempts at interpretation -- where he does not stray TOO far in insisting on
bogus UNIFORMITY.

HOWEVER, he "crosses the line," in the opinion of many of us who are
well-informed,
when he DEFORMS a text by subordinating its LITERAL meaning to his BELIEF, by
making it CONFORM to the "single" and "universal" scenario HE offers as the
result of
over-broad RE-interpretation, in the process claiming to know what the
ORIGINATORS of the myth "understood" at some time LONG BEFORE the myth as it
NOW exists
was written.  It's one thing to cite a text.  It's another thing altogether
to INTERPRET a
text BEYOND ITSELF, reading things into it from a totally foreign context,
all the while
passing this off as "scholarship" --even as "scholarship" of a "higher
order"-- without
drawing attention to the fact that such is SPECULATION, based on ASSUMPTIONS,
 and cannot be "proven" simply by waving about the credentials of the
scholars who translated the ORIGINAL texts --MINUS interpretations-- to
borrow "respectability."

It's the trumpeting of Sitchin's "superior scholarship" that is most
offensive, because
most of what he presents is the work of OTHERS who WERE scholars of note, and
his OWN contribution is primarily that of a COMPILER -- as a creative
JOURNALIST,
whose INTERPRETATIONS (interpretations cannot be "proven" by scholarly means,
particularly when the only "evidence" possible DOES NOT EXIST after 6000
years!)
flesh out a HYPOTHESIS that, scholarship or no, is worthy of serious
consideration.
He definitely overreaches himself when his "guesses" in "re-translation"
--based on ASSUMPTIONS and NOT on fact (assuming anyone is able to
differentiate between the two anymore) are passed off as demonstrations of a
"superior" scholarship rather than
as what they are, SPECULATION.  Educated, insightful speculation has its own
merit
and there is nothing wrong with it, UNLESS it misrepresents itself as
something else.
The problem with Sitchin is that the structure he has laboriously built up
across several volumes --beginning with facts, developed through speculative
interpretation, ending
with certain conclusions requiring FAITH in the WHOLE PICTURE being
"factual"--
is now being presented to the public as a work of SCHOLARSHIP and is
subjectively DEFENDED as such, in opposition to GENUINE scholarship in
Sumerology and other related fields, in an irrational, quasi-"religious" way
-- in uncritical "cultlike" fashion.
If Sitchin himself believes he is the "inspired prophet" of just such a
religious cult, so much the worse -- he has lost all right to call himself a
"scholar," if his "scholarship"
has produced such a credulous, anti-intellectual, "cult of PERSONALITY"
following.

Recently, IMHO, he has even begun to argue AGAINST his OWN "evidence," simply
to preserve his belief in the religion of his fathers, which is actually
turned on its head by
logical analysis of what he has taken great pains to "reveal" in all his
earlier writings.
How "scholarly" is a man who contradicts his own work's logic, misleading his
readers
who by now are willing to accept "on faith" ANYTHING he says as a "cosmic
truth"?

His "scholarship" is long past.  Nowadays he is buried under marketing
hyperbole and banal SELF-promotion, in a direction that will surely undo the
TRUE good he's done -- which was in popularizing a HYPOTHESIS worth
considering, not PROVING anything, and certainly NOT by dint of "superior
scholarship," undercut by an amateur's failings.

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2

[ric carter]

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SkeptiNews 991015b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: Most millennialists survived production of this bulletin. The poor sods.
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@ Virgin With Dung: http://www.oasinet.com/postmedia/art/ofili.htm
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# PREPARING FOR BIOTERRORISM - MENTALLY & PHYSICALLY. Bioterrorism can have
  a devastating effect on both physical and mental health, says a prominent
  psychiatrist, who suggests any response plan include a mental health com-
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# Another big SF quake feared. (AP) - There is a 70% chance that a large
  earthquake will shake the San Francisco Bay area in the next 30 years.
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561630534-b45

: Are you more terrorized by biowar, geowar, nukewar, random acts of planet-
ary violence, religious/political/economic/artistic proselytizers, ETs, me?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Scientists ponder life on Jupiter. PADUA, Italy (AP) - Hundreds of cosmic
  scientists mobbed Galileo's homeland, hoping to learn from a spacecraft
  named Galileo whether a heavenly body the Renaissance astronomer found 4
  centuries ago might support life. The NASA Galileo probe, winding down a
  2-year, $30 million probe of Jupiter, recently made its closest-ever flyby
  of the Jovian moons, passing within 380 miles of Io, Jupiter's innermost
  large moon. But many scientists here are more interested in Jupiter's 4th
  largest moon, Europa, spotted by Galileo in 1610. In the world of planet-
  ary science, and the search for life beyond Earth, Europa is hot. Hubba
  hubba: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561631055-380

: Is Jovian life Jovial? Is Europan life European? Is Io life Ionian? Are
you hot for Europeans? Should I stop playing these silly name games? Why?
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# Researchers Map Molecule That Repairs Sun & Cigarette Damage. The crystal
  structure of an enzyme that hunts down DNA damage caused by sunlight and
  cigarettes, then snaps it up like a Venus' flytrap, is described:
  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/10/991014075631.htm

# Green Tea Shows Antioxidant Benefits In Human Plasma. Substances in green
  tea known as catechins can increase the antioxidant capacity of human
  plasma, which could help reduce cardiovascular disease risk, say Japanese
  researchers: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/10/991014075533.htm

: Are you damaged? Does green tea repair you? Do you smoke tobacco & drink
green tea, or vice versa? Have'ya oxidized much lately? Are you crystalline?
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@ BARE YOUR SOLES: CELEBRATE FEET. Thinking alt.barefoot might be some kind
  of hippifest of dirty toes & callused heels, I was surprised that it is in
  fact a newsgroup of photos of toes painted or not, feet arched or flexed.
  Just feet. Oh yes, and toes. More & more toes. One pair of feet grips a
  banana in one shot, a telephone in another. Bare feet mostly, so if it's a
  shoe fetish you've got, keep on walkin'. (Nina Gregory) news:alt.barefoot

: Should everyone go barefoot? Is that how you can tell humans from aliens?
Should we all go naked, so there's no question as to one's species status??
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# ALLERGIC TO EXERCISE? A FOOD MIGHT BE TO BLAME. The classic couch potato's
  excuse - an allergy to exercise - might have it's basis in a latent food
  allergy. Lay off the offending food, and enjoy your workout! Flex those
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# Doctor defends heroin detox procedure - linked to 6 deaths - just trying
  to help: http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561634772-4d1

: Are you allergic to exercises, foods, opiates, detox procedures? Is life
hazardous to your health? Do alien implants protect you from these hazards?
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Millennium-a-Rama:

# Y2K - BEWARE COMPLACENCY ON Y2K COMPLIANCE
  http://www.ncpa.org/oped/dupont/dupont99.html
# Y2K - more on Year 2000 (Y2K) Computer Bug:
  http://www.ncpa.org/pd/economy/econ13.html
# Y2K - Millennium resolution on Brit TV - call for world peace:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561629837-7b6

# ON THE CUSP OF THE MILLENNIUM -- MARTYRS, PRAYER WARS AND UFO VISITATIONS.
  Has it begun? 1000 years ago, claimed Burgundian monk Ralph Glaber, inhab-
  itants throughout Europe packed churches in terror, stopped planting their
  crops & prepared for the end of the world. Groups of pilgrims roamed the
  countryside warning of impending Armageddon. Apocalyptic movements arose,
  some even taking up arms to establish a "New Jerusalem," a paradise on
  Earth to pave the way for the Second Coming of Jesus. It was all a manif-
  estation of the fervent religious belief - and social hysteria - linked 

[CTRL] (Fwd) A Victim of Slander by Pat Choate

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

R >>

"" In a final revelation, the character playing the president says: "All the
words I've spoken were said to people who I saw as hating me. Politics is not
about getting people to love you. It's about getting people to hate your
opponent." ""

--- Forwarded Message Follows ---

Dear Brigade,

"[M]odern politics goes beyond simply acknowledging differences of
opinion or grudgingly accepting someone's departure from one of the two
major parties. To keep Buchanan's supporters and votes in the GOP, they
had to be separated from Buchanan. Accordingly, two leading conservative
magazines, the Weekly Standard and National Review, have tried to kick
Buchanan out of the conservative moment -- claiming that true
conservatives support free trade and internationalism... Others have gone
further. Rather than debate the issues Buchanan raised, they chose to
demonize Buchanan. Their primary vehicle was his new book on foreign
policy: A Republic, Not an Empire... "

GO PAT GO!!
Linda

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Intellectual Capital Opinions
http://www.intellectualcapital.com/issues/issue310/item6835.asp

A Victim of Slander by Pat Choate
Thursday, October 14, 1999

For more than 30 years, Patrick J. Buchanan has been a central fixture in
the American political establishment, serving as aide to two presidents
(Nixon and Reagan), writing four best-selling books and hosting
"Crossfire," CNN's most popular and profitable show. For years, the
national media widely distributed Buchanan's column, and establishment
audiences constantly sought his views on the lecture circuit. Most leading
conservatives know him socially, repeatedly inviting Buchanan and his wife
to their homes and going to theirs.

Buchanan's place inside that establishment, moreover, was not threatened
by his 1992 and 1996 presidential bids, despite his divergent positions,
largely because he never had a realistic chance of winning the GOP
nomination. Republican leaders would never permit someone with Buchanan's
views to be their candidate for president. But so long as he remained a
Republican, the GOP could harvest the votes of his supporters -- the old
political bait and switch.

But for bait and switch to succeed, a degree of finesse is required. By
1999 GOP leaders have proven themselves desperate to pick a candidate who
could win them back control of the White House. With that anxiety, the GOP
leadership has shown their claws, an unattractive sight by any measure.

The fix is in

The GOP insiders have selected Texas Gov. George W. Bush as their man.
Consequently, he has got virtually unlimited contributions. By contrast
and in political parlance, the rest of the candidates have been
financially starved, regardless of how worthy they might be, into
submission, leaving only billionaire publisher Steve Forbes to wage a
token battle for the nomination

In this coronation process, the ideas and policies of the candidates
matter so little that there is no debate among them. Ultimately, all
that matters to GOP leaders is having a candidate who could win the
presidency. They expect all other contenders, of course, to dutifully line
up behind the chosen one.

The push for Bush is so blatant and the power politics so obvious that it
shattered all pretense of an open, fair selection process. Buchanan, or
anyone else, who wants to change existing GOP orthodoxy, has no chance for
leadership, and they know it.

Protest could be lethal. In early 1999, an example was made of Sen. Bob
Smith (I-NH) when he bolted the GOP. Old friends suddenly became foes, and
the party that Smith faithfully served for decades denounced him in the
crudest terms.

Getting Pat

The same fate threatens to befall Buchanan. Yet, Buchanan has an
advantage. He is a man of ideas. He reads history. He writes books and
debates philosophy. He cares about policies. For him to passively accept
the intellectual and political paralysis implicit in Bush's candidacy --
and even worse, a Bush presidency, would be to deny all that.

Fortunately for Buchanan, a path to the presidency exists that is not
through the GOP and Democratic nominations -- the Reform Party whose
platform is close to that of Buchanan's. Moreover, the party's positions
on social issues are libertarian -- that is, the Reform Party's members
respect the positions of the candidate and a specific set of beliefs is
neither a requirement nor a barrier to nomination as the party's standard
bearer.

In the summer of 1999, Buchanan began to consider changing parties. As
this became known, the GOP initially courted him to remain a Republican
and urge his supporters to back Bush. Nevertheless, as time passed and the
GOP leaders saw Buchanan seriously considering a party shift, they began
to punish him -- just as they had Smith. Former GOP Chairman Rich Bond,
for instance, openly asked Buchanan to leave the GOP. "A good riddance,"
he claimed. Others did the same.

However, modern politics goes bey

[CTRL] (Fwd) Chuck Baldwin's Food for Thought from the Chuck Wagon fo

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
Date sent:  15 Oct 99 01:01:11 -0500
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:Chuck Baldwin's Food for Thought from the Chuck Wagon for 
10/15/99

"A Fearful Master"

October 15, 1999



A recent World Net Daily report chronicled the creation of a
brand new US military command. It is called the US Joint Forces
Command and is headquartered in Norfolk, Virginia. It takes the
place of the former US Atlantic Command. Normally, this kind of
event would be considered benign. This time, I’m not so sure.

With the assistance of Republicans in congress, changes have
been made to the Posse Comitatus Act that will "allow a broader
use of US military forces in a domestic law enforcement role…."
This new command will oversee this new domestic role of our US
military forces.

Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, is reported to have told
participants at the ceremony commemorating the new unit that
the American people should not fear the potential of seeing US
military forces on the streets of US cities. He said, "The
American people should not be concerned about it. They should
welcome it." Why do I not get a warm, fuzzy feeling?

Somehow, I cannot imagine Sam Adams and the boys welcoming a
decision by the federal government to use military forces
against civilians. Nor do I believe the American people today
should welcome such a decision.

The Founding Fathers knew well the proclivity of government to
become tyrannical. It is the nature of the beast. Washington
said, "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is
force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful
master."

Without the safeguards of the Bill of Rights, the original
states would never have ratified the US Constitution. Central
to the preservation of individual liberty is the Second
Amendment. Jefferson said, "The strongest reason for the people
to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort
to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

During the past four decades some 20,000 restrictions and
prohibitions have been placed against the free access of
firearms. During that same period of time, the federal
government has created a federal police force numbering in the
hundreds of thousands. As their size and budgets have grown so
have their abuses. To this present hour not one federal agent
involved at Waco has been held accountable to the American
people or to our laws.

Now, we learn that our government is circumventing the Posse
Comitatus Act and planning to use military forces in domestic
disturbances. This is supposed to make us happy? I think not.
It would be far easier for the American people to defend
themselves against any would-be terrorist or domestic criminal
than against an out-of-control government that is drunk with
power!

That our government is officially preparing to use US military
forces in domestic law enforcement is nothing to celebrate. In
fact, if there was ever a time since 1776 for states and local
communities to jealously guard their freedom and independence,
it is now!


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Re: [CTRL] NEW gonzo conspiracy links-all I got was a black screen,no msg.

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[CTRL] Constitution: Fact or Fiction?

[lloyd]

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Forwarded from the Internet Conspiracy Community:
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Subject: Constitution:  Fact or Fiction?
Date: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 9:27 PM

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Subject: [CTRL] Constitution: Fact or Fiction


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http://buffalo-creek-press.com/cffrev.htm

Constitution: Fact or Fiction
by Dr. Eugene Schroder with Micki Nellis
The Story of the Nation's Descent from a Constitutional Republic through a
Constitutional Dictatorship to an Unconstitutional Dictatorship

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Explains how the president can send 500,000 troops to fight overseas with or
without the consent of congress, how he can bail out the Mexican economy over
the objections of the American people, and why we have lost our
Constitutionally guaranteed rights. The government's own documents prove the
case.

Constitution: Fact or Fiction

Through the insidious, yet steady encroachment of "emergency powers," the
government has achieved the ability to rule by statute or decree, without the
vote or consent of the ruled.

Senate Report 93549, written in 1973, said "Since March 9, 1933, the United
States has been in a state of declared national emergency."

It goes on to say "A majority of the people of the United States have lived
all their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, freedoms and governmental
procedures guaranteed by the constitution have, in varying degrees, been
abridged by laws brought into force by states of National emergency. In the
United States, actions taken by government in times of great crisis have ...
in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of
National emergency."

And further "These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law.
These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers,
ordinarily exercised by Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens
in a host of allencompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken
together, confer enough authority to rule this country without reference to
normal constitutional process.

"Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize
property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities;
assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all
transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private
enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control
the lives of all American citizens."

The US constitution provided for the president to be granted emergency powers
in times of war or enemy attack. The fatal flaw in the constitution, however,
is that the only provision to end emergency powers is for the president to
declare the emergency ended. Once the president has these powers, he himself
must relinquish them. Eleven presidents, both Democrat and Republican, have
failed to reinstate the constitution and give up these emergency powers.
Today we see the president and entrenched bureaucracy passing rules through
the executive branch's many agencies without challenge from congress or the
judicial system, originally meant to provide checks and balances.

The emergency powers clause was included in the Constitution so that a
president could legally assume all powers in case of rebellion or enemy
invasion if the public safety required it, and was intended to be terminated
immediately at the end of the crisis.

Through a maze of political maneuvers, the emergency powers granted to
President Roosevelt in 1933 have become part of the U.S. Code as permanent
everyday powers. America has continued under the "constitutional
dictatorship" of war and emergency powers to this day, more than 60 years
later.

In reality, under this "constitutional dictatorship," the people have no
rights except those granted by the government. Under our constitutional
government, the people retained all rights except those specifically granted
to the government.

Government has grown so big, so unreachable, that the ordinary citizen has no
chance to influence it. Even those with clout and political savvy, such as
state governors, are stymied.

The US government today, with its inflated bureaucracy, political posturing,
and ineffectual programs, would be a laughingstock if it weren't for the
sinister side arbitrary seizure of property without proven cause by many
government agencies, ruthless invasion of privacy, federally mandated but
unfunded programs that are choking the states' right to rule themselves, an
unsound money system based on debt, and de facto economic depression for the
last 10 years. A growing separation between "haves" and "have nots" makes a
powder keg on a slow fuse.

Today most Americans have not been taught the constitution, have never
enjoyed the constitutional 

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Redefining the Political Spectrum

by Joseph Farah

I’ve believed for some time now that the greatest threat to America’s
freedoms is not from socialism or communism but rather an "ism" you seldom
hear much about these days—fascism.

We’re not just slouching toward Gomorrah, as Robert Bork has written. We’re
slouching toward Rome.

To understand what I mean, most people need to rethink their notions about
the political spectrum. At the left end, most people agree, you have
communism—total government control over the means of production and property.
 It’s at the other end of the spectrum that many get confused.

Ask most left-wingers and they’ll suggest that fascism is on the extreme
right -- 180 degrees from communism. Unh-uh. I’ve got news for you, friends.
Fascism and communism are ideological kissin’ cousins.  I would place fascism
and any other brand of socialism just a few degrees to the right of communism.

Remember, both fascism and socialism mean — to one degree or another —
government control of production and distribution. The only thing  that
distinguishes fascism from socialism in economic theory is how they get that
control and how they maintain it.

Fascists realize the government doesn’t need to own industry to control it.
Through regulation and taxation, fascists know they can achieve the same
results without nearly as much work and responsibility.

Fascism, of course, has become a dirty word because of its association with
Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini. But just because none darespeak its name
doesn’t mean it is dead.  Fascism is actually on the rise today precisely
because no one recognizes it for what it is and calls a spade a spade.

It is in wide practice today in what we call Communist China.  Beijing has
not achieved communism.  And instead of moving toward the Marxist-Leninist
goal, it is moving steadily toward fascism — a hideous blend of state and
private partnership. And guess what? The United States is moving in the same
direction.

Every time you hear Bill Clinton or one of his fellow travelers talk about
"public-private partnerships" I want you to understand what they are talking
about—fascism, pure and simple. Is it any wonder Clinton gets along so well
with his buddies in Beijing?

Think of how Rome, Berlin and Tokyo matched up so well in 1939.

So what’s at the other end of that political spectrum? This surprises a lot
of people, but  it’s really quite logical, if you think about it. If total
government control in the form of communism is at the left end, wouldn’t it
make sense that anarchy—no government control—is at the extreme right?

I envision many libertarians nodding in agreement as they read this. So where
do they fit in?  Just a few degrees to the left of the anarchists, of course.
Conservatives, favoring less government as they do, would find themselves 20
or 30 degrees to the left of the libertarians, while liberals could shake
hands with the socialists and fascists to their left.

And that’s really why we’re facing a serious threat today. You see, most
liberals think they hate fascism. They equate it, understandably, with
Nazism, Hitler, Mussolini, racism, anti-Semitism and imperialism. But they
forget  what the definition of fascism is.

Listen, Bill Clinton is no democratic socialist. He’s no Marxist. He’s a
pragmatic politician—just like Mussolini.  Like his predecessor’s dream of
making the trains run on time, Clinton’s goal is for the economy to lumber
along at a 2.5 percent growth rate. Whatever deals need to be cut with big
business to make that happen are OK with him.

If he needs to sell some corporate favors for campaign contributions, that’s
just political expediency. If he feels it’s time to arm the Environmental
Protection Agency to put more teeth into enforcement of the Endangered
Species Act, who could blame him?

It’s not just economic, either.  Look at the way  we have abdicated our
individual liberties in favor of "group rights." That’s a fascist concept.
Look at the way we demonize certain groups (whether you’re talking about
smokers or Bible-believing Christians) and elevate others (native Americans
and homosexuals come to mind as the new noblemen or chosen people) in our
society. That, too, is a fascist concept.

One of the reasons America is moving toward fascism today is because it has
lost its constitutional moorings. We’re supposed to believe in limited
government in the United   States. The federal powers are enumerated in the
Constitution. But, in recent years,   Washington has far exceeded its
authority. And very few politicians—Democrats or Republicans—seem to 

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 Even though I have clearly defined statism in Fatal Blindness, I still
 occasionally receive e-mail asking me to define the term "statism." I
also
 receive some mail, not a lot, that maintains that it is hopeless to
attempt
 to defeat statism.

 What is evident is the fact that most do not understand the meaning of
 statism.   Nor do they understand what a pathetically impotent enemy
statism
 is and just how vulnerable it is.  Neither do most understand that the
key
 to defeating statists is really very simple, right in front of
everyone's nose.

 Statism is the doctrine that maintains that your life, money and
property
 are not yours.  It is the idea that you may only take those actions
 permitted by the state, that you may be forced to surrender your money
to
 the state or forbidden to spend it as you please, that you may not use
and
 dispose of your property as you see fit.  In other words, statism
declares
 that you do not have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness.

 Tellingly, you will never hear statist politicians openly maintain that
you
 do not have the right to your life, money and property—even though this
is,
 in fact, the basic principle underlying all of their claims. Statist
 politicians do not make this explicit and with good reason.  They
advance
 this underlying idea by implication and by subterfuge—and this fact is
the
 key to defeating statism.

 A statist does not openly state that your life, money and property are
not
 yours.   Instead, he claims that there is a "right" to health
care—which
 means: your life is to be forcibly mortgaged to pay for the health care
of
 others; and this means your life and money are not yours.  Statist
 politicians claim there is a "right" to education—which means: you are
going
 to be forced to pay for someone else's education; and this means your
money
 is not yours.  Statist politicians claim "essential public services"
must be
 maintained through property taxes—which means: you must pay an annual
fee to
 retain possession of your property; and this means your "ownership" of
your
 property is conditional, that your property is not yours.

 Statism can be defeated if political debate is reframed, if statists
are
 made to defend the actual meaning of their ideas.  If this ever
happens,
 then statists will lose since they cannot win such a debate, at least
not in
 America—at least not now.

 If you wish to defend your right to your life, your money and property,
you
 must make that the issue.  You must focus on this single issue and hold
 statist politicians' feet to the fire on it.  Don't let them off the
hook on
 this matter, otherwise they will continue to win. You have to make them
 attempt to defend the indefensible.  Once this occurs, statists will be
on
 the defensive, squirming for some way to avoid the question: is your
life,
 money and property yours?

 Let statists attempt to promote the growth of the state and the decline
of
 freedom by declaring that your life is not yours, that you have no
right to
 it, that you do not have the right to live your life according to your
own
 judgment, that you live, not by right, but by permission of the state.
They
 will not be able to win a debate on such terms.   Like vampires,
statists
 cannot survive if their real ideas see daylight.

 Some dispirited souls will undoubtedly say that defeating statism
cannot be
 this simple.  Their reaction will be: if it were that simple then
someone
 else would have thought of it and tried it.  Well, others have thought
of it
 but not in sufficient numbers to yet make much of a difference.

 Defeating statism cannot be accomplished single-handedly.  It must be
done
 in concert with others, lots of others.  Focusing the debate on the
issue of
 your right to your life, money and property will not be accomplished
 overnight.  First, it will begin with a trickle on the Internet, then
 gradually spread to other communication outlets.  But spread it will.
And
 eventually it will burst into public debate during an election
campaign.
 How long will this take?  I do not know, but as increasing numbers
flock to
 the Internet it could happen quickly.  It could even happen in time for
the
 2000 elections.

 Let the new debate begin.

 Fulton Huxtable
 April 19, 1999

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Subject: FT WORTH SLAUGHTER
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:06:10 +
From: Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Organization: Watchword

Subject:
 FT WORTH SLAUGHTER
Date:
 Sun, 10 Oct 1999 16:32:10 EDT
   From:
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Below is an excellent, thought-provoking analysis of the Ft. Worth
church shootings one month ago. The writer calls special attention to
the undeniably unusual video of the entire slaughter "found" afterward
by law enforcement.

Also noted below is that CNN Radio News broadcast an item stating
alleged Ft. Worth gunman Larry Ashbrook was heard while shooting to be
yelling that the government needed to enforce gun control and stop gun
shows!

Eh... WHAT???

Some "leaky" programming here, it appears!


NewHawk® Inc.


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THE  FOLLOWING   ARTICLE --
http://www.konformist.com/1999/ftworth-jq.htm --
MAKES  MANY  RELEVANT  POINTS  ABOUT  THE  FT. WORTH INCIDENT.

AN  ADDITIONAL  POINT  THAT  I  FOUND  STRANGE  IS  THAT  SOMEONE
HAPPENED
TO  BE  VIDEOTAPING  THE  CHURCH  CEREMONY  THAT  DAY.  THIS  PERSON
CONTINUED  TO  TAPE  ASHBROOK  WHILE  HE  WAS  SHOOTING,  AT  LEAST
UNTIL
THE  GUN  IS  POINTED  IN  THE  DIRECTION  OF  THE  VIDEOGRAPHER,  WHO
THEN
DROPS  THE  CAMERA.

THE  VIDEO  CAMERA  WITH  INTACT  TAPE  IS  FOUND  IN  THE  CHURCH
LATER  BY  POLICE AND  THE  TAPE  IS  SHOWN  TO  DOCUMENT  THE
SLAUGHTER.

STRANGELY,  THE  POLICE  CAN  NOT  DETERMINE  WHO  OWNS  THE  CAMERA,
AS  NO  ONE  ADMITS  TO  BEING  THE  OWNER.  I  EVEN  READ  IN  ONE  OF
THE  NEWS  MAGAZINES  THAT  2  VIDEO  CAMERAS  WERE  FOUND,  THOUGH
THAT MAY  REPRESENT  SIMPLE  MISREPORTING. OR  MAYBE  THEY  JUST  CAN'T
GET  THE  STORY  STRAIGHT.

I SUSPECT  THAT  THE  TAPE  WAS  INTENDED  TO  DOCUMENT  THE  EVENT  IN
ORDER  TO  CRITIQUE  THE  RESULTS  OF  THE  MIND  CONTROL  PROJECT
AND/OR  TO  BE  USED  AS  VIVID  ANTI-GUN  FOOTAGE  WHEN  IT  WAS
BROADCAST  BY   THE   MEDIA.

PERHAPS  THE VIDEO  WAS  UNINTENTIONALLY  LEFT  BEHIND  WHEN  THE
VIDEOGRAPHER  PANICKED  AS   THE  GUN  WAS  POINTED  HIS  WAY,  OR
MAYBE  IT  WAS  INTENDED  TO  BE   FOUND.

EVEN  MORE  BIZZARRE,  I  HEARD  ON  CNN  HOURLY  RADIO  NEWS  ABOUT
3AM
2  WEEKS  AGO  THAT  ON  THE  VIDEO  ASHBROOK  IS  HEARD  TO  YELL
THAT  THE  GOVERNMENT  HAS  TO  START  ENFORCING  GUN  LAWS  AND  BAN
GUN  SHOWS.  THIS  WAS  SO  CRAZY   THAT  I  JUMPED  OUT  OF  BED!

IF  HE  DID  SAY  THIS,  HE  WAS   CLEARLY  PROGRAMMMED  TO  DO  SO.
IF  HE  DID  NOT  SAY  IT,  CNN IS  LYING  THRU  ITS  CORPORATE  NEW
WORLD  ORDER  TEETH.  I  HAVE  NOT  SEEN  THE  VIDEO  BROADCAST,  SO
I  CAN  NOT  VERIFY THIS.  BUT  I  KNOW  WHAT  I  HEARD  ON  CNN!


QUESTION:  HOW  MANY   LONE  NUTS  SLAUGHTERING  CHILDREN  AND
CHURCHGOERS  DOES  IT  TAKE  TO  ENGINEER  SEVERE  GUN  CONTROL?

ANSWER:  AS  MANY  AS  THEY  NEED.

I  THINK  OF  EAST  TIMOR  AS  AN  EXAMPLE  OF  A  SOCIETY  WHERE  ONLY
GOVERNMENT-BACKED  THUGS  HAVE  THE  WEAPONS.  NO  CHANCE  OF
SELF-DEFENSE  WHEN  THEY  COME  AROUND  TO  HERD  YOU LIKE  SHEEP  TO
THE
SLAUGHTER. AND  AMERICANS,  LIKE  DULL  SHEEP  ARE  BEING  LED  DOWN
THE  PRIMROSE  PATH  OF GUN  CONTROL  BECAUSE  THE   MEDIA  AND
POLITICIANS  ARE
TELLING  THEM  THAT TOO  MANY  GUNS  ARE  TO  BLAME  FOR  THIS  PATTERN
OF  SLAYINGS  THAT  ARE  OBVIOUSLY  INTENDED  TO  PRESS UPON  THE MOST
SENSITIVE  NERVES  IN  THE  PUBLIC  CONSCIOUSNESS.


AL

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Date: Thursday, October 14, 1999 10:59 AM

Dear Brigade,

"In addition, the United States also will continue to abide by the terms of the
rejected Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, U.S. National Security Adviser
Sandy Berger said ``Under the Vienna Convention (governing treaty law) a
country that signs a treaty cannot do anything inconsistent with that treaty
unless the president -- not the Senate ... essentially renounces the treaty,
and we have no intention of doing that,'' ..."

GO PAT GO
Linda



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Date sent:  Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:39:37 EDT
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Linda:

Thought this story might be of interest because of Sandy Berger's apparent
belief that the Constitution doesn't count. ``Under the Vienna Convention
(governing treaty law) a country that signs a treaty cannot do anything
inconsistent with that treaty unless the president -- not the Senate ...
essentially renounces the treaty, and we have no intention of doing that,''
Berger said in a telephone interview. Does this mean that by treaty we have
eliminated the role of the Senate in ratifying treaties?
Hawk

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Clinton To Fight For Nuclear Pact, Keep Test Halt
Reuters, Thursday, October 14 1999 12:37 AM EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Clinton vowed Wednesday the United
States would eventually ratify a treaty banning nuclear arms testing despite
the Senate's rejection of the pact, and said a U.S. nuclear test moratorium
still stood.

``This agreement is critical to protecting the American people from the
dangers of nuclear war. It is therefore well worth fighting for. And I assure you
the fight is far from over,'' Clinton said on the White House lawn.

``When all is said and done the United States will ratify the treaty,'' he said.

Clinton said the United States would continue its nuclear weapons testing
moratorium in place since 1992.

``Russia, China, Britain and France have joined us in this moratorium. Britain
and France have done the sensible thing and ratified this treaty. I hope not
only they, but also Russia, China will all, along with other countries, continue
to refrain from nuclear testing,'' he said.

In addition, the United States also will continue to abide by the terms of the
rejected Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, U.S. National Security Adviser
Sandy Berger said.

``Under the Vienna Convention (governing treaty law) a country that signs a
treaty cannot do anything inconsistent with that treaty unless the president --
not the Senate ... essentially renounces the treaty, and we have no intention
of doing that,'' Berger said in a telephone interview.

He said, however, the United States for now would lose the benefits of the
monitoring and inspection systems that would be implemented if the treaty
was ratified by all 44 nuclear capable nations and went into effect.

The treaty defeat also makes it harder to persuade the newest nuclear
powers, India and Pakistan, to desist from further tests, Berger said.

It was important for the United States to reassure the world it would continue
to exercise leadership in nonproliferation, he said.

Clinton spoke shortly after the Republican-controlled Senate handed him one
of his bitterest foreign policy defeats, rejecting the treaty by a 51-48 vote.

The final vote was far short of the two-thirds majority needed to ratify the
treaty. Republican opponents said the pact failed to adequately ensure
against cheating by nuclear powers and would leave the United States
unable to guarantee the reliability of its nuclear arsenal.

Clinton termed the rejection ``reckless'' and ``partisan'' act, which followed
failed negotiations to delay the vote.

``We have to keep this issue alive and continue to argue it in the strongest
and most forceful terms,'' he said. ``The test ban treaty is strongly in
America's interests. It is still on the Senate calendar. It will not go away.''

``I wish we could have had a responsible alternative. I worked until the 11th
hour to achieve it. This was a political deal and I hope it will get the treatment
from the American people it richly deserves,'' he said.

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: Nothing contained herein is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy or meaning.
: No flying dinosaurs survived the production of this bulletin. Tasty, too.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Learn Czech, one picture at a time: http://www.czechprimer.org/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Fossils of flying dinosaur found. (AP) - A fierce turkey-sized animal with
  sharp claws and teeth may have been the first flying feathered dinosaur, a
  missing link between the lumbering lizards of millions of years ago & the
  graceful birds of today. Fossils of Archaeoraptor liaoningensis suggest it
  lived 120 million to 140 million years ago when a branch of dinosaurs was
  evolving into the vast family of birds that now live on every continent.
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561634791-d63

: Do you think ancient saurians 'lumbered'? Have you watched too many films?
Do flying Reptilioids frighten you? Have you killed any lately? With what??

@ The Chupacabras: A Monster for the New Millennium?
  http://www.americanatheist.org/win96-7/T2/chupacabras.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Czech intellectuals languish in poverty, while standards of public
  debate in the Czech Republic are set by jumped-up, semi-literate
  young journalists: http://www.ce-review.org/99/16/culik16.html

: Are you an impoverished intellectual, a semi-literate journalist, a failed
/successful media manipulator, a cynical controller, a hapless victim? Why??

# Censorship always censors the wrong things for the wrong reasons and
  produces, after some delay, the opposite of the intended effect. Yow.
  http://www.newcriterion.com/archive/18/oct99/bowman.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Ancient face found carved on Stonehenge. (BBC) An ancient face has
  been found carved on Stonehenge. Is it the face of its designer?
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_474000/474977.stm

# Link - See more faces on Frank Wayman's Megalithic site:
  http://www.stonecentric.connectfree.co.uk/aveburyi.html

: Have you created any ancient megaliths lately? Have you carved you own or
someone else's face(s) into any of them? Did you pretty-up yourself? How??
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# It Holds Tissues Together. Scientists studying the adhesive properties
  of cadherin - a protein that binds cells into soft tissue - have found
  a built-in safety mechanism that may keep cells from ripping apart.
  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/10/991014080224.htm

# Genetic On-Off Switch Found. A researcher studying genetic on-off switches
  in yeast has found a system that could be useful in human gene therapy.
  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/10/991014075909.htm

: Would you like to apply on-off switches to cell-binding mechanisms? Whose
cells would you like to see ripped apart? Would you apply such switches to
the brain cells of your ideological opponents? Will your belief system win?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ GHOST-PHOTO. Halloween approaches - check out the spooksters! Ghost-photo
  is a fun place to start, since many contributors post online and/or swap
  image files of ghostly images they caught on film. There's a lot of talk
  about (& pictures of) "orbs," which are faintly visible globular thingies
  that may be ghosts, aliens, or both. Of course, if you want to be a cranky
  skeptic, they may be photoprocessing glitches, too. The list is fairly
  active, 10 to 20 posts per day. To subscribe, send a blank e-mail to
  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  -- see the public archives at
  http://www.onelist.com/messages/ghost-photo

: Have you photographed many orbs/ghosts/emanations lately? Do chemtrails
affect your film? Do you deliberately fog film to hide the sordid details?
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# No Water Ice Detected From Lunar Prospector Impact. The controlled crash
  of NASA's Lunar Prospector spacecraft into a crater near the south pole
  of the Moon on July 31 produced no observable signature of water. Bother.
  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/10/991014080522.htm

# Chemistry Of Comet Hale-Bopp May Offer Clues About The Early Solar System.
  Astronomers have found that a new molecule, nitrogen sulfide (NS), is con-
  tained within comets. Altho scientists have long known that the molecule
  exists within dense interstellar clouds, this is the first time it's been
  seen in a comet. http://sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/10/991014080325.htm

: Did the Mothership exude NS into Hale-Bopp? Did they suck-up all of Luna's
water? How will they next despoil our solar system? Who can/will stop them?
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Re: [CTRL] Ralph Nader & Public Citizen: WTO is weakening health laws

[M.A. Johnson]

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Dave wrote:
By MICHAEL PAULSON Mail Author
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT

WASHINGTON -- Detailing criticisms likely to form
the basis for much of the protest in Seattle next


The World Trade Organization (WTO)

The World Trade Organization, one of the main results
of the 1993 Uruguay Round of Multilateral Trade
Negotiations, was established on January 1, 1995.
The new WTO has a clear mandate from governments to
further global economic coherence. The WTO will take
charge of administering the new global trade rules,
as agreed in the Uruguay Round, which sought to
establish the rule of law in International Trade.
The agreement establishing the WTO envisages a
single institutional framework encompassing the
GATT, as modified by the Uruguay Round.

Membership in the WTO automatically entails accepting
all the results of the Round, with the exception of
the Plurilateral Trade Agreements (PTAs). Acceptance
is based on having schedules of market access concessions
and commitments with respect to tariffs and non-tariff
measures in industrial goods, as well as undertakings
in agriculture, and schedules of specific commitments
in the area of services.

The WTO has five main functions:
  To facilitate the implementation, administration,
operation and further operations of the agreement
establishing the WTO. It shall also provide the
framework for the implementation, administration
and operation of the PTAs;
  To provide the forum for negotiations concerning the
multilateral trade relations of its Members;
  To administer the Understanding on Rules and Procedures
Governing the Settlement of Disputes;
  To administer the Trade Policy Review Mechanism;
  To co-operate, as appropriate, with the International
Monetary Fund, the International Bank for
Reconstruction and Development, and its
affiliated agencies.

With the above 'resume' it is quite doubtful this group
this group has any desires toward the ends Nader claims.
Sound like someone is looking for some attention for
his Party.

Regard$,
--MJ

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the
populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to
safety) by menacing it with an endless series of
hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. -- H.L. Mencken

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Re: [CTRL] Religion

[Das GOAT]

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In a message dated 99-10-15 05:27:48 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>We just need the right marketing and we'll rich and famous..

The medium --marketing-- is the MESSAGE.  "Content" is just icing on the cake.

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Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

[Das GOAT]

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Thanks for the defense.  The burden of proof is on the accused, not on myself.

Just goes to show you, it's a dangerous thing to question someone's
"religion" ...

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Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

[Das GOAT]

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In a message dated 99-10-15 05:15:03 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>? If he's so full of crap, as Goatass is saying, why then do reputable
scholars
>not take him on in print and show the world precisely where he is
>"FABRICATING evidence" and "LYING to suit his purposes"? Better yet,
>why do they not challenge him to debates in public arenas, like Harvard or
>Yale or MIT? I mean, Zecharia is in the New York phone book. He's certainly
>not hiding from anyone. So why don't they challenge him face-to-face rather
in
>these cowardly emails that jerks like Goatshit circulate on the net?

For the same reason that Stephen Hawkings doesn't stoop to challenge Art
Bell.

>>The reason is that he would DEMOLISH them, and every scholar that has ever
>>actually read his material knows it.

Name one.  Name one SUPPORTER in accredited Sumerology, ANYWHERE.

Soon I'll post an analysis by just one scholar DETAILING the problem,
tediously, so you can see for yourselves the degree of amateurishness in
Sitchin's usual "translations."

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Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

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Yes, a great man indeed. Methinks Sitchin's place in history may not be what
he expects, but a continuation of what he gets now, the occasional dismissive
footnote in skeptical publications and the (near) blind adulation of
characters like Icke.

BD

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Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

[Das GOAT]

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In a message dated 99-10-15 05:15:03 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> He told me that he knew he was building
>>a place for himself in history, a place that later scholars would return to
>>again and again once his work was recognized for what it is, which he sadly
>>accepts is not likely to be in his own lifetime (he's 80 now).

Such humility ... LOL

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Re: [CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

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Pye's response strikes me rather pathetic in its resort to cheap character
assassination. The criticism of Sitchin's qualifications is valid. Pye
suggests that DasGOAT must be some sort of failed scholar? Well where's
Sitchin's Professorship? Has ever held an academic position in the areas of
archaeology, ancient history or related subject areas? No? Where's his
accreditation? Were any of his books peer reviewed?

Pye's meanspirited defence of Sitchin proves nothing but Pye's own habit of
"shooting from the lip".

BD.

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [FSNW-L] Pakistan showdown analysed

[[to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

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Interesting. Different. Parveez Syed is quick to identify the "US-UK masters"
as the demonic element in this particular event. What I'm waiting to see is
Noam Chomsky, E.S.Herman and some other Western leftie hacks, such as John
Pilger, take the contrary view that despite the public denouncements of the
new military regime, the devilish Western powers are actually silently
nodding in its favour. Or worse, were behind it in the first place. It's only
a matter of time...

BD.

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Re: [CTRL] Where do we come from?

[[to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]]

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I've read quite a few of Sitchin's books and I've got to agree with Das
GOAT's rejection of hardjube's declaration of Sitchin's alleged brilliance.
He takes a few too many liberties with his translations of Sumerian. The
results are baleful...

He has some interesting ideas, pity that the evidence is more imagined than
real.

BD.

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Re: [CTRL] Lorem Ipsum Dolor.

[Andrew Hennessey]

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seeyoo jemmy - a canna 'kin mak oot whit yer sayin

Andrew
from Scotland

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Re: [CTRL] Religion

[Ric Carter]

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- Original Message -
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> We just need the right marketing and we'll rich and famous..

There are various ways to market a religion / belief system /
obsession / scam.  Besides the traditional mind-control methods
[drugs, implants, subliminal suggestion / hypnosis, traumatic
brainwashing / love-bombing, etc] there are techniques to gain
public attention & approval, usually by gaining media exposure:

  1. Bribe your way into popular entertainments.
  2. Commit public atrocities to gain notoriety.
  3. Spam media/commo nets with proclamations.
  4. Buy control of media outlets.

It's also possible to operate "below the radar" of mass-media:

  5. Promulgate rumors, domestically & abroad.
  6. Hijack existing groups to spread your message.
  7. Develop disciplined cadres of operatives.
  8. Infiltrate and subvert governing bodies.

But even energetic implementation of such techniques doesn't
guarantee success.  Note that classic Marxist/Leninist disinfo
marketing strategies/tactics managed to attain short-term gains
in terms of thought- and territorial-control, but were unable
to prevail against a materialist system that actually delivered
material results.  The same techniques, when employed by holy
hucksters, succeed because the payoffs accrue AFTER one's death.

The lesson is clear: if you're going to market a system, DON'T
PROMISE ANYTHING TANGIBLE!  Sell the sizzle, not the steak.
Always structure your claims so that you have no dissatisfied
customers grumbling that they'd have done better somewhere else.

CONTINUISM will succeed if it's entertaining enough.  A well-
produced cosmology that includes sex/drugs/music should suffice.

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Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Danite Irish]

[Das GOAT]

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In a message dated 99-10-14 18:19:09 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>and there is no evidence, as far as I know, that it was ever used as the
>common speech even in *Sumer*! Was it an artificial language, created ex
>nihilo as both Arabic and Hebrew were supposed to have been?

As far as I know, Sumerian WAS used as "common" speech in Sumer, at the
earliest period.  In fact, Sumerian had a whole DIALECT specifically for
commoners, just as it had one for women -- sorta like Japanese in that
respect.  Of course, "common" here may only mean the lower classes among the
conquering race, since the Sumerians were INVADERS in the Persian Gulf, and
there were indigenous people, and immigrant Amorites, Akkadians, etc.,
aplenty in the same area, each with their own language.

Hebrew and Arabic ex nihilo?  No way.  Both derive from a "proto-Semitic"
tongue, of which the best example is Akkadian -- which is nearly IDENTICAL to
early Hebrew.

BTW, I never intended to bring Sitchin into the picture here ...  I thought
it interesting, though, that the PHOENICIANS were international traders long
before there were any "Israelites," and amusing that the tribe of "Dan"
--sea-farers, with territory BORDERING
Tyre and Sidon-- has somehow been credited with "founding" outposts in places
where the PHOENICIANS already travelled.  You know, those swarthy, big-nosed,
dark-haired
people who show up in Canaanite/Phoenician monuments -- hailed as Celtic
"Aryans"! One shouldn't be surprised, though, that blue-eyed blondes
travelled those routes ca. 1500 BC or later, since the "Philistines" of
Canaan were only Mycenaean Greeks who made a living as mercenaries fighting
for the Egyptians and Phoenicians, and as hired hands of the latter, they had
access to the same (originally Phoenician) trails inward into Europe and to
Ireland via "Tarshish" and Spain.  But there's STILL the question of where
the Phoenicians got their commercial acumen and navigatory knowledge, which
were not evident in either Egypt or mainland Canaan, the two places usually
suggested
for their origin.  I propose SUMERIAN origins for the Phoenicians, for
several reasons:
(1) EARLIER, Sumerians were famed as seafarers (Egyptians hated the sea) AND
as traders, (2) the Sumerians also had a reputation as "builders," with a
distinct "priestly" stone-mason caste (the Egyptian god Ptah of Old Kingdom
times is believed by some to be of SUMERIAN origin), and (3) the Sumerians
DID found "colonies" as far northeast as Anatolia, not far from Canaan ...
Why, then, should "Phoenicia" be an exception?

And back to "Dan" -- in Sumerian, the root-word *di(n) means not just
"judge," but as in Canaanite/Phoenician, and exactly as in HEBREW, it
originally referred to a SPECIFIC
kind of "judgment," related to TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE -- and the Hebrew word for
"knowledge," DA'ath, is a truncated form of an original DAN-ath, root D_N,
just as the Hebrew word for "truth" [which ALSO had a more precise meaning,
being "correctness"
and "accuracy" in measurement, i.e., a "technical" word] is Ameth, a
shortening of the original AmeN-eth, as shown by the survival of the related
adjective "Amen," "true-ly."
(Don't take my word for it -- any good Hebrew etymological text mentions the
latter as the prime example of what scholars call the "vanishing N" in Hebrew
as it developed..)
Even the linguistics here suggests a people "knowledgeable" in a TECHNICAL
way, as befits the "Hermetic" engineers/scientists who designed and built
Solomon's Temple ...
So what's implied here is intriguing enough WITHOUT invoking Sitchin or his
"aliens" ...

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Re: [CTRL] Religion

[earthman]

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We just need the right marketing and we'll rich and famous..

Peter

We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
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- Original Message -
From: Andrew Hennessey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Religion


> -Caveat Lector-
>
> If you know of texts that should be added to this page ... says Dave
Wiley.
>
> well now that you ask  I invented my own religion just to see if it
> could be done ... but initially in the hope of gaining some tax exemption
> ... :)
>
> Its called CONTINUISM -
>
> I invented my own 'genesis' story,
> used scientific analogy to model the basic ingredients
> I invented my own Cosmology and particle physics ...
> and even wrote my own book of ethics
>
> and I appointed myself the 'High Priest' :)
> .. then charged myself a lot of money for my membership !
> but never got as far as employing a pretty secretary :(
>
> However - CONTINUISM can give anyone a run for their money -
> and I think that it deserves a place amongst those texts as:
> the worlds smallest religion  whadyathink ?
>
> Andrew
>
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[CTRL] A defense of Sitchin

[earthman]

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My Goodness guys, talk about spreading the word..Das's comments have been
right around the world..

Peter

A defense of Sitchin. Read the comments and complaints at the bottom, then
go up to the top to read my reply...


-Original Message-
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Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: Question Regarding Sitchin


>Gavin:
>
>Dasgoat sounds like either a wannabe--or possibly even an
>accredited--scholar who is unable to get his/her own ideas (whatever they
>might be) accepted at a popular level (and probably not even at a peer
>level), so (s)he is outraged (as so many of them are) that someone like
>Zecharia should have such enormous popular success without going through
the
>grinding process of accreditation that weeds out all but those scholars
>(like themselves) who are most willing to hew to and zelously support the
>status quo as it exists in their era. Whether men or women, these people
>tend to possess miserably thwarted ambitions and stunningly petty outlooks
>on life, so to assuage their stunted little spirits they glibly perform
>character assassinations without--ironically enough--showing any of the
>evidence they accuse their victims of lacking.
>
>I can assure you that Goatcheese, whoever (s)he might be, is all hat and no
>cattle when it comes to criticizing Zecharia Sitchin. He starts off saying
>Sitchin is "just another Von Daniken." Absurd! Erich Von Daniken did some
>excellent basic research in many areas of establishment dogma, but his good
>work is easily glossed over by opponents because of his unfortunate habit
of
>shooting from the lip in interpretations of evidence and data. Sitchin
NEVER
>does that, and in fact goes well out of his way to avoid doing anything
>approaching it. I have spent weeks with the man, travelling around the
world
>visiting ancient sites, and I quickly noticed that he NEVER shoots from the
>lip. He never speculates AT ALL. If he doesn't KNOW the answer to a
>question, he will shrug it off and refuse to answer, no matter who is
asking
>it or how innocently it is put to him.
>
>At breakfast one morning when it was just the two of us I asked him why the
>tight lips when asked to speculate. He told me that he knew he was building
>a place for himself in history, a place that later scholars would return to
>again and again once his work was recognized for what it is, which he sadly
>accepts is not likely to be in his own lifetime (he's 80 now). That being
>the case, he doesn't want any quotes floating around that he does not know
>for a fact are the truth. He then added that he won't even speculate with
>his wife, Rina, when it is just the two of them and no one else, because he
>does not want her to ever say to any friend of hers, even off-handedly,
that
>"Zack said so-and-so about such-and-such." And then he added this kicker:
"I
>have to be very, very careful that my work is not Von Daniken-ized"
And,
>needless to say, it is closed-mined status-quo protectors like Giles
Goatboy
>who do the Von Daniken-izing he was referring to in that conversation.
>
>Goatboy has absolutely NO concept of Zecharia's translating ability, no
>concept at all. He is just spouting off, venting his obvious frustration.
>And when he says Zecharia's work is "beneath comment by reputable
scholars,"
>what he really means but can't say is that reputable scholars are scared
>witless of Zecharia. Have you ever noticed that you NEVER see ANY of
>Zecharia's books reviewed in scholarly magazines, or even in pseudo
>scholarly magazines like Discover, Anthropology, Archeology, Smithsonian,
or
>even Scientific American? Why is that? If he's so full of crap, as Goatass
>is saying, why then do reputable scholars not take him on in print and show
>the world precisely where he is "FABRICATING evidence" and "LYING to suit
>his purposes"? Better yet, why do they not challenge him to debates in
>public arenas, like Harvard or Yale or MIT? I mean, Zecharia is in the New
>York phone book. He's not hard to find. He's certainly not hiding from
>anyone. So why don't they challenge him face-to-face rather in these
>cowardly emails that jerks like Goatshit circulate on the net?
>
>The reason is that he would DEMOLISH them, and every scholar that has ever
>actually read his material knows it. And if Goatbreath wants to back up his
>scurrilous garbage with a challenge to debate Zecharia, I'm sure Zecharia
>would show up at any arena in the New York area (he's 80, after all) that
>could be arranged. I'm sure Goatherd will find out in due course that
>Zecharia is in fact a helluva lot smarter than his readers, and will be a
>helluva lot smarter SQUARED relative to the Goathorn.
>
>As for the reference to Samuel Noah Kramer, he's been dead for some time
>now, so I doubt very seriously that Goatman has the direct quote he implied
>from Dr. Kramer's ghost. (So who is "lying to suit his own purposes" now,
>

[CTRL] Top missile passes test simulations (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

 -Caveat Lector-

From:

http://online.hkstandard.com/today/default.asp?PageType=afr2

Hong Kong Standard

Top missile passes test simulations

   By Pamela Pun

   STORY: CHINA has successfully completed laboratory
   simulations of a test-launch of its latest multi-warhead
   intercontinental ballistic missile which can reach targets
   in most parts of the United States.

   Mainland sources said computer simulations of launches
   of the solid-fuelled Dongfeng-41 ICBM have been
   completed and proved successful.

   The three-stage DF-41, an improved model from the old
   type of single-head DF-5, can carry five to eight warheads
   including nuclear ones greatly increasing its striking power.

   In addition to the improvement of carrying capacity, the
   DF-41 has much greater mobility since it uses solidified
   fuel.

   With the same range of 12,000 kilometres as the DF-5, the
   DF-41 can reach Europe and many parts of the United
   States.

   The Central Government has yet to decide when to
   conduct live test-firing of the latest ICBM model, which was
   not on the show during the grand parade in Beijing on 1
   October marking the 50th anniversary of Communist rule.

   The successful development of the strategic weapon will
   boost the country's military muscle and its nuclear
   deterrence.

   Military and diplomatic analysts said the acquirement of
   technology to manufacture missiles with a range covering
   most parts of the American territory will force Washington
   to adjust its defence strategy and speed up the
   development of anti-missile defence systems.

   However, it would not have significant impact on the global
   balance of power in the post Cold-War era.

   Sources said the new missile could be deployed in five
   years if the central leadership decided to go ahead with the
   development program, using the DF-41 to replace the old
   model of DF-5.

   Using liquid fuel, the DF-5 must be launched from a fixed
   position. It also takes 30-60 minutes to fuel and two hours
   before a missile could be ready for launch.

   A solid state missile like the DF-41, on the other hand,
   takes only a few minutes to reach war readiness, according
   to the mainland's weaponry experts.

   As the DF-41 carries several warheads,they are smaller in
   size and lighter in weight and, therefore, easier to
   manoevre for land transport.

   Beijing showcased its truck-mounted solid state DF-31
   ICBM in the 50th anniversary grand parade which attracted
   considerable attention from Western military experts.

   With a range of 8,000 kilometres, the DF-31 can reach
   Hawaii and Alaska.

   China announced it has successfully test-fired the DF-31 in
   August in northeastern China. With slight modification, the
   DF-31 could be launched from a submarine, according to
   military experts.

   Political and military observers in the West have shown
   increasing concern over the mainland's latest
   developments of multi-warhead ICBMs such as the DF-31
   and DF-41, which are difficult to intercept for current
   anti-missile defence systems.

   China started developing technical missile weapons such
   as cruise missiles in the 1970s. Beijing felt the need to
   develop strategic weapons to bolster its military deterrence
   after the high-tech Gulf War in 1991.

   Calls to speed up developing advanced weapons have
   been on the rise since the US-led Nato jets bombed the
   Chinese Embassy in Belgrade on 7 May during the
   alliance's air strike against Yugoslavia.

   President Jiang Zemin, who is also commander-in-chief of
   the country's 2.5 million-man army, urged speeding-up of
   the modernisation of the armed forces to win regional wars
   under high-tech conditions.


Copyright(c) 1999 Hong Kong Standard Newspapers Ltd. All rights
reserved. Reproduction In Whole Or In Part Without Express
Permission is Prohibited


=
 Kadosh, Kadosh, Kadosh, YHVH, TZEVAOT

  FROM THE DESK OF:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  *Mike Spitzer* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

   The Best Way To Destroy Enemies Is To Change Them To Friends
   Shalom, A Salaam Aleikum, and to all, A Good Day.
=

DECLARATION & DISCLA

[CTRL] Leaderless Resistance; & in Canada... Only 1 month, 16 days until gun confiscations begins

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/ncf
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
=

http://www.comnet.ca/~tzinck/
and
http://www.comnet.ca/~tzinck/leader~1.htm
LEADERLESS RESISTANCE
(spell checked)


The concept of Leaderless Resistance was proposed by Col. Ulius Louis Amoss,
who was the founder of International Service of Information Incorporated,
located in Baltimore, Maryland. Col. Amoss died more than fifteen years ago,
but during his life was a tireless opponent of communism, as well as a
skilled Intelligence Officer. Col. Amoss first wrote of Leaderless
Resistance on April 17, 1962. His theories of organization were primarily
directed against the threat of eventual Communist take-over in the United
States. The present writer, with the benefit of having lived many years
beyond Col. Amoss, has taken his theories and expounded upon them. Col.
Amoss feared the Communists. This author fears the federal government.
Communism now represents a threat to no one in the United States, while
federal tyranny represents a threat to everyone .The writer has joyfully
lived long enough to see the dying breaths of communism, but may, unhappily,
remain long enough to see the last grasps of freedom in America.

In the hope that, somehow, America can still produce the brave  sons and
daughters necessary to fight off ever increasing persecution and oppression,
this essay is offered. Frankly, it is too close to call at this point. Those
who love liberty, and believe in freedom enough to fight for it are rare
today, but within the bosom of every once great nation, there remains
secreted, the pearls of former greatness. They are there. I have looked into
their sparking eyes; sharing a brief moment in time with them as I passed
through this life. Relished their friendship, endured their pain, and they
mine. We are a band of brothers, native to the soil gaining strength one
from another as we have rushed head long into a battle that all the weaker,
timid men, say we can not win. Perhaps...but then again, perhaps we can.
It's not over till the last freedom fighter is buried or imprisoned, or the
same happens to those who would destroy their freedom.
Barring any cataclysmic events, the struggle will yet go on for years. The
passage of time will make it clear to even the more slow among us that the
government is the foremost threat to the life, and liberty of the folk. The
government will no doubt make today's oppressiveness look like grade school
work compared to what they have planned in the future. Meanwhile, there are
those of us who continue to hope that somehow the few can do what the many
have not. We are cognizant that before things get better they will certainly
get worse as government shows a willingness to use ever more severe police
state measures against dissidents. This changing situation makes it clear
that those who oppose state repression must be prepared to alter, adapt, and
modify their behavior, strategy, and tactics as circumstances warrant.
Failure to consider new methods and implement them as necessary will make
the government's efforts at suppression uncomplicated. It is the duty of
every patriot to make the tyrant's life miserable. When one fails to do so
he not only fails himself, but his people.

With this in mind, current methods of resistance to tyranny employed by
those who love our freedom, culture and heritage must pass a litmus test of
soundness. Methods must be objectively measured as to their effectiveness,
as well as to whether they make the government's intention of repression
more possible or more difficult. Those not working to aid our objectives
must be discarded or the government benefits from our failure to do so.

As honest men who have banded together into groups or associations of a
political or religious nature are falsely labeled "domestic terrorists" or
"cultists" and suppressed, it will become necessary to consider other
methods of organization--or as the case may very well call for:
non-organization. One should keep in mind that it is not in the government's
interest to eliminate all groups. Some few must remain in order to
perpetuate the smoke and mirrors vision for the masses that America is a
"free democratic country" where dissent is allowed. Most organizations,
however, that possess the potential for effective resistance will not
bellowed to continue. Anyone who is so naive as to believe the most powerful
government on earth will not crush any who pose a real threat to that power,
should not be active, but rather, at home studying political history.

The question as to who is to be left alone and who is not, will be answered
by how groups and individuals deal with several factors such as: avoidance
of conspiracy plots, rejection of feeble minded malcontents, insistence upon
quality of the participants, avoidance of all contact with the front men for
the federals--the news media--and, final

[CTRL] Why Should Taxpayers Insure Bank of New York or Provide FDIC Insurance Credit Backstopping for $7MM in Annual Compensation for Gross Negligence & Increased National Security Risks?

[Dave]

Dave Hartleyhttp://www.ioa.com/~daveharthttp://www.Asheville-Computer.comhttp://www.asheville-computer.com/ncf -Original 
Message-From: Catherine Austin Fitts 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 6:15 
PMTo: CIA Drugs listCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] Why Should Taxpayers Insure Bank 
of New York or Provide FDIC Insurance Credit Backstopping for $7MM in Annual 
Compensation for Gross Negligence & Increased National Security 
Risks?
List:  
 
I have 
revised my post yesterday with Mike Ruppert's permission to include copies of 
the BONY and Jane articles from the September newsletter and his comments and 
links of Y2k in Russia today.
 
If you 
think that it will help us teach others what is going on and help turn Congress 
around on these issues, please forward and repost as much as you 
like.
Catherine
 
 
==
    
SOLARI
 
 
  October 
14, 1999
  To the Solari 
Network:

  For those of you who are not making $7 million a year 
  in salary and bonus,  and do 
  not enjoy your taxpayer supported federal credit used to 
  support such annual compensation for  bankers  who engage in money 
  laundering for organized crime,  here is an easy way to tell 
  Congress that it is time that the Chairman of the Bank of New York give 
  back the money to provide reserves for the FDIC and national security costs of 
  cleaning up the mess he has helped to 
  make. 
   
  Remember, when large banks 
  and financial institutions head south we could end up with another 
  S&L scandal expense that you and I will have to pay. We paid last time 
  around. Billions. That does not even include the national security problems 
  we may have when the Russians 
  decide to team up with the Chinese and take revenge for what we have 
  done.  Indeed, check  www.y2knews.com for two stories from 
  USA today 
  that report that Russia announced that it is too broke to solve Y2K and is 
  reverting to manual controls for Y2K.  See how you feel about 
  US networks helping to loot a country with nucleur 
  capability.
   
  To make it simple to  for you to raise your concerns 
  with an e-mail or letter, Solari has arranged to deliver the 
  September Issue of From the Wilderness that illuminates the Bank of New 
  York activities to each member of the Senate and House. Over 
  500 packages went to the Congressional mail rooms today and the individually 
  addressed and signed letter and Mike's wonderful article on the Bank of New 
  York situation should be in their office today.  
  Your Congressional representatives e-mail 
  should be posted on the house and senate websites.  
   Please feel free to repost this message 
  whereever and whenever you 
  think it will be useful for you and 
  your networks.
   Catherine Austin Fitts 
  Solari 
   
   Attached:  
   
   Solari letter to Congress 
   Articles from 
  September Issue of From the 
  Wilderness:
   TAKE IT TO THE BANK! January 1, 2000 in Russia Will Be 
  Deadly/ by  Mike 
  Ruppert
   Crying in the Kitchen With 
  Jane/ by Catherine Austin 
  Fitts
   
   == 
  SOLARI  
   October 13, 1999 
  The Honorable Fred 
  Thompson 
  523  Dirksen  Senate Building 
  Washington, DC 
  20510 
  Is America’s 
  financial system so addicted to cocaine and organized crime 
  capital that traditional methods of regulation and enforcement can do 
  nothing? Just consider the Bank of New York money laundering 
  operations: 
  
Since 1995, the 
Bank of New York is suspected of laundering as much as $10-12 
billion worth of Russian "organized crime" and capital flight 
money. The Bank of New York has admitted to investigators that, in addition 
to profiting from substantial increases in foreign deposits, it has charged 
as much as $250 million a month in "fees" for these 
transactions. 
  
Between 1994 and 
1998, Bank of New York Chairman Thomas Renyi’s compensation 
rose from $1.23 million to $7.3 million. Other senior management 
received large increases, too. Recently, Congressman Leach said 
  that the amount of money looted out of Russia and laundered through US 
  Banks could top $100 billion. Where did this money go? On September 1, 
  Congressman Leach said, "I have no doubt that some of this money ended up 
  in the stock market." Thinking through the relationship of organized crime 
  capital and the stock market, consider another recent 
  event. 
  
In June, Richard 
Grasso, Chairman of the New York Stock Exchange, traveled to Colombia 
to visit with

[CTRL] federal judges involved in coverups, obstruction of justice, judicial fraud, or criminal retaliations against whistleblowers & investigators

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:
http://www.druggingamerica.com/


Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart

===
http://www.druggingamerica.com/
http://www.druggingamerica.com/judges.html
PARTIAL LIST OF GOVERNMENT PERSONNEL, INCLUDING JUDGES AND JUSTICES,
IMPLICATED IN THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES DETAILED AND DOCUMENTED IN THE 1998
THIRD EDITION OF DEFRAUDING AMERICA
This is a partial list of the federal judges involved in coverups,
obstruction of justice, judicial fraud, or criminal retaliation against
government agents and people seeking to expose government corruption.

If any of the following judges had performed their duty, instead of joining
the scheme to block the reporting of major criminal activities in government
(as  described in the third editions of Defrauding America and Unfriendly
Skies, major ongoing criminal activities adversely affecting people in the
United States could not have continued as they have. To fully understand and
believe these statements, you must read and understand the contents of the
books.

As a matter of law, these criminal acts by federal judges far exceed the
gravity of the offenses charged against most federal prisoners.





Corrupt Federal Judges Directly Involved In the Scheme To Silence the
Exposure of High-Level Criminal Activities
Robert Schnacke (U.S. District Court, San Francisco) He was the first judge
to receive a federal brief filed by Stich. (Stich v. United States, et al,
554 F.2d 1070 (9th Cir.)(table), cert. denied, 434 U.S. 920 (1977). The
lawsuit sought to expose government corruption by key people in the Federal
Aviation Administration, compounded by obstruction of justice from Justice
Department employees. It was filed in 1976 under various federal statutes,
including the federal crime-reporting statute, Title 18 USC Section 4, and
statutes directed to obtaining a court order halting government officials
from engaging in unlawful activities and requiring them to comply with the
law. Justice Department employees argued to have that action dismissed,
thereby protecting the corruption that had played a major role in many prior
airline crashes. Judge Schnacke, and then three judges in the Ninth Circuit
Court of Appeals, sympathized with Stich, but held that it was the
responsibility of Congress, and not the court, to address these matters.
That argument was contrary to what statutory and case law stated. Stich then
filed a petition for writ of certiorari with the U.S. Supreme Court, and
they also covered up for the serious government corruption. By covering up
for the FAA corruption, several subsequent air disasters were closely
associated with the same type of misconduct, which continues to this day.
James R. Browning (U.S. District Court.) He was the district court judge who
heard Stich's lawsuit against the National Transportation Safety Board
(Stich v. National Transportation Safety Board, 685 F.2d 446 (9th
Cir.)(table), cert. denied, 434 U.S. 920 (1977) in which Stich sought a
court order forcing the NTSB to open the accident investigation into the
1978 Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA) disaster in San Diego and admit major
evidence revealing the primary reason why the disaster occurred (as revealed
in the third edition of Unfriendly Skies). Browning sympathized with Stich,
and stated, as repeated by the three judges in the ninth circuit court of
appeals that Stich had no standing to seek this remedy (despite the U.S.
attorney at San Francisco initially agreeing to support Stich's actions.
Aided by Justice Department and judicial misconduct, the pattern of NTSB
coverups continued, as described in Unfriendly Skies, and in the tragic TWA
Flight 800 disaster.
Milton Schwartz (U.S. District Court, Sacramento). He initially showed
concern about the reports of high-level government corruption that Rodney
Stich sought to report under federal crime-reporting statutes, including
Title 18 USC Section 4, and then a month later and refused to receive the
evidence. Compounding his refusal to receive the evidence offered under
federal crime reporting statutes, Schwartz rendered an order barring
Stich--for life--from federal court access (which was illegal and
unconstitutional, and obviously intended to block Stich from reporting
criminal activities that he and his government agents were seeking to
report. This was a clear obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting the
criminal activities being reported, and constituted federal crimes worse
than the offenses for which many people languish in federal prison. Schwartz
initiated corrupt judicial acts that enabled federal and California judges
to seize and loot Stich's life's assets. Schwartz' crimes in these areas
expanded through Schwartz' coverups, obstruction of justice, misprision of
felonies, and his various civil rights violations against Stich. Not only
did Schwartz 

[CTRL] FW: MORE RESPONSE...SPY AND COUNTERSPY (from bikershome.com)

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


Subj:Realpolitik and the FBI
Date:   10/12/99 11:45:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time

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LEARNING THE BASICS...
Copyright ©1998 Lee Adams. All rights reserved.
http://www.bikershome.com/~nix/spycounterspy/fs001.html
http://www.bikershome.com/~nix/spycounterspy/home.html
http://www.bikershome.com/~nix/current/current.html

The FBI is not just a police agency. It is more than that. It is a security
service. There are important differences between police agencies and
security services.

Every government has a security service. The mission of a security service
is to suppress anti-government activity. That's because the prime directive
of a government is to stay in power. This means that most governments see
their own population as the most serious threat.

That's where the security service comes in. This means suppressing dissent
and criticism. It means preserving the status quo. It means keeping the
government in power, no matter whether the government rules with the
consent of the people or
without the consent of the people.

Look around you. It is a self-evident truth that the nastier the
government, the nastier its security service. Referring to a security
service as The Thought Police is not too far from the truth.

The FBI understandably does not have a history of respect for civil rights
in its capacity as a security service. The FBI's record of unconstitutional
and illegal actions against American citizens is readily available to
anyone who takes the trouble to investigate.

But don't overlook the bigger picture. The FBI is not out of control. On
the contrary, it is very much in control. The FBI is acting with the
knowledge - and approval - of the U.S. government. The FBI is, after all,
the U.S. government's security service. The FBI is
responsible for protecting the U.S. government from the people.

The people, alas, have no such protection from the U.S. government.

Until now.


now.  ''
''
''

WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING HERE...
The goal of this Web site - and the purpose of Spy & CounterSpy - is to
level the playing field. Our mission is to provide knowledge and skills to
people who support freedom and fairness.

Our goal is to empower people. What does this mean? In theory, it means
showing people how to protect themselves against government tyranny. In
practice, it means teaching people countersurveillance skills.

Who needs countersurveillance skills? Anyone who is concerned about freedom
and fundamental fairness. This means activists, dissidents, civil rights
groups, militias, patriots, journalists, religious groups, grass-roots
political movements, writers, minority groups, and others.

Countersurveillance skills give you the ability to reach your goals -
political or otherwise - in spite of surveillance and interference by a
security service like the FBI.

If you don't have countersurveillance skills, you are not going to reach
your goals. The security service is going to make sure of that. In fact,
you probably won't even realize that your plans have been secretly and
systematically thwarted.

It's time to wake up.


up.  '''
'
'

WAKE-UP CALL...
If you're involved in any group that challenges the status quo, the
security service is going to take an interest in you. No matter how benign
your goals, you are seen as a potential threat to the government. Ipso
facto, you become a target for surveillance
by The Thought Police.

Being innocent is no protection against surveillance.

SPY-PROOF LESSON #1 - Any group that engages in discussion or actions that
challenge the status quo must have a countersurveillance section. That
means any group. That means you. It is not a matter of choice. It is not a
matter of opinion. It is not a matter of preference. Here's why.

Your adversary is going to engage in covert actions against you. For your
group to survive and reach its goals, you must defend yourself against
these covert actions.

It does not matter that you don't see the government as your adversary. In
fact, it's irrelevant. All that matters is that the government sees you as
their adversary.

If you don't grasp this fundamental principle, then your group is doomed to
mediocrity. It will never reach its goals, no matter how noble. It's like
trying to play professional hockey without learning how to avoid a
body-check against the boards. Wake up, sissy. Just because you'd never
dream of intentionally assaulting your opponent doesn't mean that he isn't
planning to deliberately cripple you at his first opportunity.

It is important that you understand what this means. A security service -
and this includes the FBI - plays according to Big Boys' Rules. This means
they play for keeps and they play to win. They offer n

[CTRL] FW: Giuliani, Bush, the NY Virus and Martial Law in Y2K

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: Grassroots Media Network [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 3:18 AM
To: Recipient list suppressed
Subject: Giuliani, Bush, the NY Virus and Martial Law in Y2K




Giuliani, Bush, Japanese Encephalitis and Martial Law in Y2K
By Robert Lederman

In previous essays I described the intimate connection between
NYC Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and the Manhattan Institute, a
conservative think tank started by former CIA director William
Casey. It came as no surprise on 10/5/99 when George W.
Bush, Presidential candidate and son of former CIA chief/U.S.
President George Bush, chose the Manhattan Institute as the
forum from which to deliver his most important policy
statement to date.

Bush’s speech was wholly constructed of ideas derived from the
agenda of the Manhattan Institute, an organization which
promotes aggressive social policies based on questionable
university studies, dubious statistics and government sponsored
“experts” in social policy, crime prevention and minority youth.
Many observers consider these ideas to be nothing more than a
thinly-veiled code for Eugenics, a philosophy which is still very
much alive in the U.S. and which accounts for the policies of the
Rockefeller Institute and certain U.S. government and United
Nations agencies including the CDC [Center for Disease
Control] and the WHO [World Health Organization].  Among
these agencies stated goals is a rapid reduction of world
population and the dissemination of numerous new vaccines. In
his speech Bush appeared to be distancing himself from
Conservative elements of the Republican party. In reality, what
George W. Bush whose family were intimately involved in
financing Nazi Germany stands for is the same corporate
dominated police state that Giuliani represents. From such a
corporate/police state the dosing of organophosphate pesticides
or unproven vaccines on eight million New Yorkers as part of a
population control/biological warfare experiment would not be
at all surprising.

In the excerpts from press releases and newspaper accounts that
follow, a pattern of involvement between bio-chemical
production companies, the military and the Mayor of New York
City involving the current enchephalitis scare is apparent. The
mosquito epidemic that is alleged to be attacking New York
City has provided a unique opportunity for bio-chemical
companies, insecticide manufacturers and government agencies
like the Center for Disease Control to use eight million people
representing every race and ethnic origin as guinea pigs. As I
predicted in previous articles, the encephalitis virus that was
initially described as St. Louis encephalitis and was later
rediagnosed as West Nile and then again as West Nile-like
encephalitis has now been reclassified as a new and previously
unknown strain of Japanese encephalitis. It also comes as no
surprise to find that Thomas Morath, the Vice President of
Oravax, a bio-chemical company which holds an exclusive
license from the U.S. Military Biological Warfare Center at Ft.
Dietrick Md. to manufacture and market a vaccine for Japanese
encephalitis, has been working with the Giuliani administration
since the very beginning of the outbreak.

According to medical researchers I’ve spoken with the
production of the anti-Japanese encephalitis vaccine that Oravax
produces involves growing vats of Japanese encephalitis virus
which is then partly killed in order to make the vaccine.
Oravax’s press releases [see below] clearly state that trials of
this new vaccine were scheduled to begin at the end of 1999.

>From the beginning of the outbreak the CDC and the OEM
[Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management] stated that the
epidemic was unique in NYC history and that there were no
other reported cases at this time anywhere in the U.S. They then
revised that assessment to state that the virus had never before
appeared in North America.  Now they claim it appears to be a
new strain of a virus previously unseen on earth. They claim the
epidemic could be the result of an accidental introduction of a
naturally occurring virus by a bird, insect or a foreign visitor.
It’s more likely that it will turn out to have been caused by an
accidental or a deliberate release of a man-made strain of
Japanese encephalitis, either from the Plum Island
bio-warfare/animal virus lab off the coast of Long Island NY or
from one of numerous research labs, such as the Rockefeller
University lab in Manhattan which, according to Newsday
9/25/99, has been experimenting with West Nile virus for
decades. .More insidious still, the public could simply be being
duped into believing there is an encephalitis epidemic in order to
create a hugely profitable market for a new vaccine.

While I can only offer theories at this time to explain what is
going on in New York, as this situation develops more and
more pieces of evidence sh

[CTRL] FW: [CIA-DRUGS] Texas, Bush, Tanox, and "the Coming Plagues"

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: Catherine Austin Fitts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 1:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] Texas, Bush, Tanox, and "the Coming Plagues"


From: "Catherine Austin Fitts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Dave, I could not agree more..the debt model is at the core of the beast. If
we financed on an equity model, CIA drug trafficking would not be happening.

The reason I have spent my life inventing and prototyping the Solari
Investment Model was to create an equity model for financing both
organizations and communities with widespread equity. The key was the A/B
shareholding plan.one group can control the voting stock while
non-voting stock can be used to invest ad profit financially. That way
knowledge and ethics can be controlled seperately from profit; residents can
control the voting shares in a neighborhood stock corporation or REIT and
raise capital globally. Control local; finance global, if you will. Another
key was putting serious resources behind community databanking. We need
abstract knowledge---particularly about use of our time, our health and our
money--- to conform to our concrete boundaries and experieces in a ways that
ecourage energizing reoptimization and reegineering of our resources locally
in a way that sees people as the asset being optimized. This combo is the
backbone for the infrastructure we need in places so that small businesses
and community infrastructure can integrate new technology and compete with
large corporations at a competitive cost of captial. It is also the backbone
that makes issuing community currency easy and profitable. With e-commerce
the possibilities are endless---imagine 63,000 neighborhood central banks
vested in an equity model. It would sure keep organized crime and drugs
out---or make sure it is the community that profits if they want it in for
the money. Between this and e-bay and a few other bartering and trading
ideas we could cut the flow out of the Federal Reserve without legislation.
Why pay interest to guys for something we can do for ourselves?

The Solari Investment Model is the reason that the Feds could not do to my
last company what they did with Inslaw. My control of the A shares and the
data gave me too much power and control of the documents and legal decisions
managing through the attack and destruction of the business and too powerful
an ability to mathematically prove their false witness was false. The design
protected me through a three and a half year seige by the rich and powerful
and evil. My thanks to the Bush Administration for my free education
watching them destroy legitimate people and companies and community that
helped create the design that saw me through the Clinton Administration
doing the same.

If anyone wants a copy of Solari's design book for Neighborhood Stock
Corporations, let me know. It is an old version which we hope to put up on
the web by the end of the year and then update next year when we are not
working near full time on litigation and audits and investigations with the
federal government. When we launch the website, I will let you know. There
is some background abstracts up at the old site---www.solarivillage.com at
the tools page.

Because these issues all start with spiritual issues and values, the
spiritual and value questions are the first step in any community. The
financial should be the tail, not the head. Ed Schwartz at the Institute for
the Study of Civic Values in Philadelphia has a wonderful process where each
neighborhood takes the Constitution and walks through it and has a
constitution convention. Makes a lot of sense. When and if our toilets or
economy stop working during Y2K, or we when we realize we have to organize
locally to protect ourselves from biological warfare from the corporations,
governments and investors we have created to serve us, it is a good way to
begin. Meantime, the courses on Spiritual Warfare at my church are some of
the best there are...

As always, this brings me back to the "vote with our money" theme. We got to
stop letting the bad guys get ahold of our deposits, purchases, taxes,
investments, attention

> -Original Message-
> From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 6:23 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [CIA-DRUGS] Texas, Bush, Tanox, and "the Coming Plagues"
>
>
> From: "Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Catherine wrote:
> 'We need a cultural technology to best the "beat down" game.'
>
> YES !  .. and that exists in the form of INTENTIONAL community... at least
> as a modelling tool.
> "The Farm" in Tennessee was pretty successful at modelling the "New
> Civilzation" cultural technology (so much so that the CIA
> focussed attention

[CTRL] Starr Out; Successor on Deck (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

 -Caveat Lector-

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/ray991014.html

Starr Out; Successor on Deck

Three-Judge Panel to Name Former Deputy Counsel


Ken Starr plans to resign this weekend and his replacement, a
former deputy independent counsel, will be named early next week.
(Khue Bui/AP Photo)


ABCNEWS.com W A S H I N G T O N, Oct. 14 — Ken Starr plans to
resign this weekend and his replacement, a former deputy
independent counsel, will be named early next week, ABCNEWS has
learned.

 The three-judge panel that picked Starr is set to name Bob
Ray, a 40-year-old native Washingtonian who worked as a deputy
under Independent Counsel Donald Smaltz before joining Starr’s
office, where he will take over the sprawling nearly six-year
investigation of President Clinton.

 Although Clinton’s impeachment trial ended in his acquittal,
Starr’s office still has several open investigations and is
engaged in an ongoing discussion about whether to bring perjury
charges against the president once he leaves office. Worked on
Espy Investigation While working under Smaltz, Ray served as a
prosecuting attorney on the trial team that lost its case against
former Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy, who was acquitted on
dozens of corruption charges late last year. Ray served with
Smaltz from 1995 until this past April before heading to Starr’s
office for a six-month stint as a senior litigation counsel.

 Ray has kept a low profile during his career, but one former
prosecutor described him as a mild-mannered but tough prosecutor
who is extremely articulate.

 ABCNEWS learned in August that Starr had recommended three
of his deputies, along with six others — including Ray — to the
judges as possible replacements. Sources familiar with the probe
say Starr will submit his resignation this weekend.

 The law that created the office of independent counsel ran
out at the end of June, but its expiration did not affect already
operating probes.


Defends His Record Starr has continued to defend his
controversial investigation of Clinton’s affair with former White
House intern Monica Lewinsky, which led this year to the
president’s impeachment and acquittal earlier this year.

 Detractors have argued Starr’s Lewinsky investigation and
other matters involving the president smacked of partisanship.

 “Not once have we been found to have conducted ourselves
inappropriately,” Starr told a congressional committee reviewing
the independent council act in April.

 On the other hand, Starr said he thinks the 21-year statute
from which he drew his authority should not be renewed, calling
it “constitutionally dubious” and “hopelessly flawed.”

 Last month, Starr said he may not have been the right person
for the Lewinsky investigation in light of the amount of time he
had already spent investigating the president.

 “I think it would have been much better for the country for
the Lewinsky matter to have been handled by another independent
counsel,” he said.


ABCNEWS Chief Investigative Correspondent Brian Ross and Producer
Chris Vlasto contributed to this report.


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[CTRL] Judicial Watch to Challenge New Illegal Clinton House Deal (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 14, 1999
CONTACT: Joe Giganti
(202) 646-5172

JUDICIAL WATCH TO CHALLENGE NEW ILLEGAL CLINTON HOUSE DEAL

Clintons Try To Pull "Fast One" On Day Their Banks Were To
Respond To Court


(Washington, DC) Today, the day Deutsche Bank and Bankers Trust
were to respond to Judicial Watch's Motion for Preliminary
Injunction to block the illegal purchase of the Clintons' mansion
in New York State, the White House conveniently announces a new
illegal loan deal.

Judicial Watch will expand its litigation to include this new
illegal loan since the Clintons cannot qualify, given their five
million dollars of debt and the prospect of tens of millions of
dollars in damages as a result of the civil litigation which has
been filed by Judicial Watch and its clients against them.

"The Clintons are clearly entitled to live in New York if they so
please; however, they should secure a house within their means,
and not look to others, seeking to buy influence.  This is
illegal and must be stopped before a dangerous precedent is set
granting them special favors that allow presidents, political
candidates, and federal workers to line their pockets while
allegedly serving the public," stated Judicial Watch Chairman
Larry Klayman.  As shown in the link below PNC Mortgage Guide
entitled "How Much Can I Get?," the Clintons do not qualify for a
mortgage on a $1.7 million dollar mansion with their new bank,
PNC Mortgage Corp. of America.  Further, it was illegal to use
White House lawyers to negotiate the illegal deal," added
Klayman.

PNC Mortgage Guide (Calculate with $200,000 annual income)-
www.pncmortgage.com/calculators/refiCalc_full_MaxLoan.Asp


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[CTRL] CNN Reported Wen Ho Lee May Have Downloaded Nuclear Legacy Codes To Tape (fwd)

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http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a3806772e3c54.htm">CNN Reported
Wen Ho Lee May Have Downloaded Nuc 

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