Re: [CTRL] THE WINDSOR-BUSH BLOODLINE

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LMAO!!!

Anyone with half a brain and versed in historic facts, knows that the
half-witted "PISO" theory is one of the more bulkier piles of horse shit
occasionally trodden on by unsuspecting passer-by's on the Net.

Yet the ill-famed and informed, self-proclaimed celluloid "son of god"
D'Icke, freely imbibes this plop as "evidence" for his deranged
speculations.

So what exactly is the propaganda sales "spin" here?  D'Icke and his
sycophants, well-versed in sales techniques, obviously know there is a
decent chance that Bush will win the election, hence his ridiculous
speculations will appear "prophetically" true if Bush wins.

Of course, if Bush does not win, there is always the Gore caveat thrown in
somewhere in D'Icke's froth-filled speculative amusements, so PROFIT D'Icke
wins either way, except in the credibility stakes.

I think anyone here that has not abandoned critical thought, well knows that
D'Icke is a shyster, a cheap book and video salesman and plagiarist to boot.

Cleary, his sycophants that incessantly spill his baloney here, are not
aware they are flogging a dead corpse, on the other hand, in one sense, we
can all be grateful, that everytime they do so, they also succeed to further
bury him.



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From: Ole Gerstrøm
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Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:03 AM
Subject: [CTRL] THE WINDSOR-BUSH BLOODLINE



   THE WINDSOR-BUSH BLOODLINE

 by David Icke

 Or why George W. Bush is the favourite to be

President of the United States in the year 2000!



I have recently been sent a series of genealogical charts which detail a
bloodline and its off shoots that will be highly relevant

to the readers of The Biggest Secret.

I had no idea of their existence when I wrote The Biggest Secret. Yet it
reads like an index of the book and most, if not all,

of the major players in the advancing agenda of global control over
thousands of years. These charts are stunning confirmation

that the same bloodlines have expanded their power out of the Near and
Middle East of the ancient world to control the

planet today, precisely as detailed in The Biggest Secret. For readers of
The Biggest Secret the following will prove

extremely interesting:

This bloodline and its offshoots includes a long line of pharaohs in ancient
Egypt, including Rameses II (1295-1228 BC), who

is considered to be the greatest pharaoh of all. He was his country's master
architect (sacred geometry) and his name can be

found on almost every ancient shrine. The gold mines of Nubia made him rich
beyond the imagination. This bloodline also

includes the extraterrestrial-human hybrids who ruled Sumer, Babylon,
Greece, and Troy, and which, today, rule the world.

One common link in this bloodline is Philip of Macedonia (382-336BC),who
married Olympias, and their son was Alexander

the Great (356-323BC), a tyrant who plundered that key region of Greece,
Persia, Syria, Phoenicia, Egypt, Babylon, the

former lands of Sumer, and across into India before dying in Babylon at the
age of 33. During his rule of Egypt he founded the

city of Alexandria, one the greatest centers for esoteric knowledge in the
ancient world. Alexander was taught by the Greek

philosopher, Aristotle, who in turn was taught by Plato and he by Socrates.
The bloodline and the hidden advanced

knowledge have always gone together.

This key bloodline comes down through the most famous Egyptian queen,
Cleopatra (60-30BC), who married the most

famous Roman Emperor, Julius Caesar, and bore him a son, who became Ptolemy
XIV. She also bore twins with Mark

Anthony, who has his own connections to this line and its many offshoots;
this bloodline also connects to Herod the Great, the

"Herod" of the Jesus stories, and continues to the Roman Piso family who, as
I explain in The Biggest Secret, wrote the

Gospel stories and invented the mythical figure called Jesus!!; the same
bloodline includes Constantine the Great, the Roman

Emperor who, in 325AD, turned Christianity, based on his ancestors' stories,
into the religion we know today, and King

Ferdinand of Spain and Queen Isabella of Castile, the sponsors of
Christopher Columbus, who instigated the horrific Spanish

Inquisition (1478-1834) in which people were tortured and burned at the
stake for in any way questioning the basis of the

religion their various ancestors had created.

More than that, the most used version of the Bible was commissioned and
sponsored by another strand in the same bloodline,

King James 1st of England. Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about! The
line of James, according to genealogy sources

listed below, can be traced back to 1550 BC and beyond and includes many
Egyptian pharaohs, including Rameses II.

The bloodline moved into France and northern Europe through the Franks and
Meroveus or Merovee, who gave his name to

the Merovingian bloodline, and it continues with the rest of the 

[CTRL] NATIONHOOD AND JERUSALEM

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NATIONHOOD AND JERUSALEMIsrael became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two 
thousand years before the rise ofIslam. Arab refugees in Israel began 
identifying themselves as part of aPalestinian people in 1967, two decades 
after the establishment of themodern State of Israel.- Since the 
Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion overthe land for 
one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land forthe past 3,300 
years.- The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no 
more than22 years. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish 
capital.Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim 
entity. Evenwhen the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought 
to make it theircapital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.- 
King David founded the city of Jerusalem and Jerusalem is mentioned over700 
times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures.- Jerusalem is not mentioned 
once in the Koran and Mohammed never came toJerusalem.- Jews pray 
facing Jerusalem.- Muslims pray facing Mecca with their backs toward 
Jerusalem.ARAB AND JEWISH REFUGEES- In 1948 the Arab refugees 
were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaderspromising to purge the land 
of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without everseeing an Israeli 
soldier.- The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to 
Arabbrutality, persecution and pogroms.- The number of Arab refugees 
who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to bearound 630,000.- The 
number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the 
same.-Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into 
the Arablands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out 
of the100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee 
group inthe world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own 
peoples'lands.- Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into 
Israel, a country no largerthan the state of New Jersey.THE 
ARAB-ISRAELI CONFLICT- The Arabs are represented by eight separate 
nations, not including thePalestinians. For the most part, their 
territory prior to 1967 was in thearea of JORDAN that is currently the west 
bank of Israel.- There is only one Jewish nation.- Israel has 
given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomyunder the 
Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons.- The Arab 
nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itselfeach time 
and won and the P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destructionof the State 
of Israel.- Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and 
the Jews weredenied access to places of worship.- Under 
Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preservedand made 
accessible to people of all faiths.THE UN RECORD ON ISRAEL AND THE 
ARABS- Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 
weredirected against Israel.- Of the 690 General Assembly 
resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 weredirected against Israel.- 
The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem synagogues were destroyed by 
theJordanians.- The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians 
systematically desecrated theancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of 
Olives.- The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an 
apartheid-like policyof preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and 
the Western Wall.

[CTRL] Infallible Sectarianism

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Infallible Sectarianism

"There is no mistake so great as that of being always right." – Samuel
Butler (1835-1902): Notebooks.
Professor Arthur Noble

The Pope's ecumenical dupes got a rude shock on September 5 when his
self-styled 'infallible Holiness', in an official document called Dominus
Iesus, questioned the validity of Protestant Churches and instructed his
bishops not to use the term 'sister churches' with reference to them. The
Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has now arrogantly
pronounced that henceforth non-Roman-Catholics are to be designated as
"ecclesial communities" with "defects". It declares that churches that lack
a "valid Episcopate [bishops] and the genuine and integral substance of the
Eucharistic mystery are not churches in the proper sense"; and a Vatican
letter to bishops, released the same week, calls for Protestants to be
"evangelised".

The American Crosswalk News site summed it up in the headline: "Protestants
are not our equals, says the Vatican." It was on a par with Hitler's
comments about the Jews.

The chief ingredient of this latest outrageous pronouncement by the Roman
impostor is nothing short of blatant sectarianism – a predictable complement
to the flagrant racism of his beatification of Pius IX. Once again, the
congenital religious intolerance behind the mask of the Church of Rome's
smiling ecumenism has been exposed: her doctrinal fascism renders her
hypocritically guilty of the very accusation that she is so fond of
levelling against those who refuse to bow the knee to her theological
drivel.

George Carey, the spiritual leader of the world's 70 million Anglicans and
hitherto a loud and pathetic parrot of the Pope, has expressed his "dismay".
No wonder: he failed to take heed of the warning that Rome does not change,
and is now suddenly confronted with the reality that the term 'separated
brethren' was merely a ruse and the original designation of 'heretics' is
now official. Carey has learned of his error the hard way. He has reacted by
saying that the worldwide Anglican Communion "does not for one moment accept
that its orders of ministry and Eucharist are deficient in any way", but
"believes itself to be a part of the one, holy, Catholic and apostolic
Church of Christ."

Protestant leaders in Germany have also been rudely awakened. Manfred Kock,
chairman of the Council of the Evangelical Church of Germany, told ZDF
television: "The declaration suggests that the Catholic and the Protestant
Churches are not on equal terms with each other." These leaders, be it
noted, are the dupes who on October 31, 1999, signed the Joint Declaration
on the Doctrine of Justification between the Lutheran World Federation and
the Roman Catholic Church, believing it to be the reconciliatory seal of 30
years of so-called 'dialogue' between the two Churches.

Irony of ironies! The Vatican's boot-licking World Council of Churches
itself is worried that the ecumenical relationships of the past 100 years
may now be "lost" or "hindered" by what its professing 'theologian' Tom Best
calls "language which precludes further discussion of the issues"; and even
John Wilkins, editor of the Roman Catholic newspaper The Tablet, has
described the declaration as "enormously negative".

Valdo Benecchi, President of the Methodist Evangelical Churches of Italy and
an on-the-spot connoisseur of the Pope's machinations in that country, was
quick to recognise the Vatican's latest confidence trick. Almost echoing the
warning of last October by the 150 German Academics who opposed the
LWF-Vatican Declaration, he said: "Salvation through Christ is not deposited
in one religion only. This puts only the Catholic Church at the centre, but
especially the Catholic hierarchy."

The Southern Baptist Convention, the largest U.S. Protestant denomination,
has also recognised the contrivance. Jerry Rankin, President of its
International Mission Board, protested: "Salvation comes by God's grace
through faith in Jesus Christ and Christ alone – not through any
institutional church body, be it Baptist, Catholic, or otherwise. […] That's
why we have always sent missionaries, even to 'Catholic' countries, because
people come to salvation only through personal faith in Jesus Christ. That
is the message of the Christian gospel according to the Scriptures, and that
is the message shared worldwide by our missionaries."

Popery, despite her modernist garb, remains unchanged. The arrogance of this
latest pronouncement is astounding. It describes all churches since the
Protestant Reformation as not being "churches in the proper sense", while in
reality it is the Church of Rome that is not a church at all, but a colossal
political and financial organisation. Adam Smith, in his famous study The
Wealth of Nations, calls it "the most formidable combination that ever was
formed against the authority and security of civil government as well as
against the liberty, reason and happiness of mankind."

[CTRL] Blair-faced Liars: Blair, Clinton and the New World Order

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Blair-faced 
Liars: Blair, Clinton and the New World 
Order"Write 
the vision, and make it plain upon tables, that he may run thatreadeth it." 
— Habakkuk 2:2Professor Arthur NobleA very perceptive article by 
Steve Pierce entitled "My peace I give you",published in the January, 1998, 
edition of Workers of Iniquity, exposes thefact that it is really the Roman 
Catholic Church that is behind the façadeof Tony Blair and New Labour. It 
could also be shown that the same is trueof Bill Clinton and his universal 
'peace' missions. The already provensympathy of both men with the Romanist 
faith and system, as well as theiractive dedication to promoting the 
policies of the Papacy world-wide, is areflection of the real men behind the 
masks.On page 8 Pierce writes:"Until he attended the 1993 
meeting [of European Heads of State] in Athens,Tony Blair was merely the 
Shadow Home Secretary. Following this meeting,however, he was carefully 
groomed and 'raised up' to fulfil the requirementsof the 'coming New Order' 
which he briefly mentioned in a political speechon March 18, 1997, though 
few noticed or understood the implications of whathe said. Since then he has 
been carefully steered and has regularly receivedmuch guidance and 
counselling from Bill Clinton, who not only accompaniedhim to the Amsterdam 
Summit, but afterwards instructed our Parliament,though the voters who put 
Blair into office were not allowed to know whatwas discussed; and what is an 
American President doing instructing ourParliament in the first place? If it 
was something beneficial or acceptableto the United Kingdom's populace we 
would have been told, so obviouslywhatever was discussed was either alarming 
or unacceptable. […] It lookslike we are going to find out the hard 
way."What is this 'New Order' being promoted behind the pressed suits 
andcontrived body language of Blair and the hypocritical moralising of 
thearch-immoralist Clinton?What Tony Blair is really doing, says 
Pierce, is ushering in the[resurrection of the] 'Holy' Roman Empire. This is 
entirely consistent withour analysis that the real aim of the European Union 
is a United RomanCatholic States of Europe, which was the ideal pursued by 
Pius XII throughhis Concordat with Adolf Hitler. In a remarkable speech 
given in French in1975, Pope Paul VI said that it was "the [Roman] Catholic 
faith that madeEurope" and added: "No other human force in Europe can render 
the servicethat is confided to us, promoters of the faith, to awaken the 
Christian soulof Europe, where its unity is rooted." [Reported in The 
Reformer,January/February, 1976. Note that it is a "human" force, not one of 
God.]It is the Papacy that is behind the drive for European unity. The 
Englishphilosopher Thomas Hobbes (1588–1679) once remarked: "The Papacy is 
no otherthan the ghost of the deceased Roman Empire, sitting crowned upon 
the gravethereof." [Leviathan, Part 4, Chapter 47 (1651).] The Microsoft 
EncartaEncyclopaedia 99 article on the Roman Empire states:"It was 
the [Roman Catholic] Church, more than anything, that was the realheir of 
the Empire, and which was able to provide a measure of continuityafter the 
collapse of temporal power and civil administration. The Papacycontinued to 
be based in Rome and to exert enormous authority over most ofEurope, keeping 
alive not only many of the ideas of the Roman world but alsoa sense of a 
wider community which looked to the ancient city for supportand 
leadership."The dream of re-establishing that Empire has never been 
abandoned. Napoléonand Hitler failed in their attempts. The late Enoch 
Powell alluded in theEvening Standard (December 2, 1987) to a "profound 
rearrangement now takingplace" involving the "dissolution of the North 
Atlantic Alliance versusWarsaw Pact confrontation" and resulting in an 
arrangement which would"reappear like some submerged landscape revealed when 
the floodwaters fall,an older pattern, which previous generations would have 
no difficulty inrecognising. [...] Its old name is Holy Roman Empire." The 
comparison isstrongly reminiscent of the Biblical prophecy in Revelation 
17:8 of a beastascending out of a bottomless pit.At its height, the 
Roman Empire stretched from north-western Europe to theMiddle East and 
encompassed all the lands of the Mediterranean. The ancientRome of the 
Caesars lived on in the so-called Holy Roman Empire of theGerman Nation, 
which lasted from the coronation of Charlemagne in 800 untilthe Protestant 
Reformation liberated half of Europe from the Vaticanstranglehold – though 
in actual fact the structure of the Holy Roman Empiresurvived loosely until 
it disintegrated in 1806.Significantly, the recent peregrinations of the 
present Pope haveconcentrated on the countries of the Middle East whose 
territory would beneeded to re-establish the former Roman Empire which 
extended east and southof the Mediterranean, 

[CTRL] NATIONHOOD AND JERUSALEM

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NATIONHOOD AND JERUSALEM

Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of
Islam.  Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a
Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the
modern State of Israel.

- Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over
the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for
the past 3,300 years.

- The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 C.E. lasted no more than
22 years.  For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital.

Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity.  Even
when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their
capital, and Arab leaders did not come to visit.

- King David founded the city of Jerusalem and Jerusalem is mentioned over
700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures.

- Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran and Mohammed never came to
Jerusalem.

- Jews pray facing Jerusalem.

- Muslims pray facing Mecca with their backs toward Jerusalem.

ARAB AND JEWISH REFUGEES

- In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders
promising to purge the land of Jews.  Sixty-eight percent left without ever
seeing an Israeli soldier.

- The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab
brutality, persecution and pogroms.

- The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be
around 630,000.

- The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is estimated to be the same.

-Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab
lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory.  Out of the
100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in
the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples'
lands.

- Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a country no larger
than the state of New Jersey.

THE ARAB-ISRAELI CONFLICT

- The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the
Palestinians.  For the most part, their territory prior to 1967 was in the
area of JORDAN that is currently the west bank of Israel.

- There is only one Jewish nation.

- Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy
under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons.

- The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself
each time and won and the P.L.O.'s Charter still calls for the destruction
of the State of Israel.

- Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were
denied access to places of worship.

-  Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and Christian sites have been preserved
and made accessible to people of all faiths.

THE UN RECORD ON ISRAEL AND THE ARABS

- Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were
directed against Israel.

- Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were
directed against Israel.

- The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem synagogues were destroyed by the
Jordanians.

- The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the
ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives.

- The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy
of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall.

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Re: [CTRL] TRAGEDY AND HYPE

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Actually, Quigley was a Vatican sycophant - from JESUIT Georgetown
University, whose School of Foreign Service at is a subversive instrument of
the Vatican.

Quigley produced 'Tragedy and Hope' to continue the politics of "Conspiracy
Theory," on behalf of his Jesuit superiors, who similarly produced the
"Protocols of Zion," and other earlier "Conspiracy" style literature for
propaganda purposes, attacking the perceived enemies of the Vatican.

Quigley and Jesuitism were also instrumental in Bill Clintons Globalist
political outlook, and also his application of Catholic "moral theology,"
which enabled him to "conscientiously" lie, by the application "casuistry,"
and "mental reservation," indicative of his mental indoctrination he imbibed
in this Vatican institution - and for which Jesuitism is synonymous with.

The US CONGRESSIONAL OATH OF OFFICE makes allusion contra to such casuistry:
"I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the
United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear
true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely,
WITHOUT ANY MENTAL RESERVATION OR PURPOSE OF EVASION: and that I will well
and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to
enter. So help me, God."

BILL CLINTON, IN HIS ACCEPTANCE SPEECH at the Democratic convention also
mentioned that his mentor at Georgetown University was professor Carroll
Quigley.

This is significant because the late Carroll Quigley, professor of sociology
and history at Georgetown, was deeply promulgated, and was himself a "right
wing conspiracy theorist." Carroll Quigley's 1350-page tome 'Tragedy and
Hope' is taught to the diplomatic corps at Jesuit Georgetown University. Can
we suppose that Bill Clinton, too, might be infected with the virus of
"right-wing conspiracy thinking."

The first US president to come from Georgetown-a graduate of the School of
Foreign Service-was a Baptist, also the product of an ecumenical education
rooted in "Jesuit values."

In addition, and as long-suspected, much of the so-called "responsible
conservative movement," (esp. Pat Buchanan), and most of the conspiracy
"exposure" movements is consciously, or unconsciously under the sway of the
Vatican, i.e.. that "conspiracy theory" is essentially a covert
Vatican-Jesuit project.

Recall also in this project,  that promoter of "Liberation Theology," the
"Black Pope" Pedro Arrupe, is quoted in the mega best seller "None Dare Call
It Conspiracy," as the INSPIRATION for Gary Allen's theories, Arrupe was the
general of the Jesuit Order. And, as already mentioned, add to this,
Catholic Quigley from Jesuit Georgetown University and his every
conspirators bible-like tome, "Tragedy and Hope,"  or say nothing of Vatican
"Fathers," Couglin and Fahey and their conspiracy propaganda.

The N.W.O. initiative is Rome to the core, which has long desired a One
World Religion liased with a One World Political, Economic, Statist
Government, with the Roman pope as its head and the, "supreme ruler of the
world." The Vatican, according to its own LAW, is not subject to any secular
RULER or any secular STATE, but that, and conversely, all MUST inexorably
become subject to its laws and decrees. The N.W.O. is merely a secular
initiative, in that aeons held hope of the papacy for world dominion, in
this case, designed to appeal to certain secular minded intellectuals,
politicos and technocrats, some who genuinely perceive such a "One World"
system, not so much in utopian terms, but again in the realm of casuistry,
the "lesser of two evils."


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From: "Alicia Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Read once where Quigley was a more or less spy for JBS who got into the
 NWO bunch or CFR and was virtually brainwashed and he believed after
 investigating matter, etc., that what they tried to do was wonderful?

 So like a Henry Kissinger - he crossed over so many times maybe he has
 no loyalty to anyone other than himself for he now believes he is the
 master?   That guy has never been elected to anything.   '

 All these people are self appointed gods from your local Chamber of
 Commerce  - the big boys who not only brainwash but do a lot of money
 laundering when it comes to big drug stuff?

 We have met the enemy and it is US?

 A. Saba
 Dare To Call It Conspiracy

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Re: [CTRL] BRITAIN IS A FASCIST STATE.

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It's "OFFICIAL"   LMAO

Wonder why D'Icke and his loony devotees who, for example, have claimed that
Jews are "Vampires," don't emigrate, if things are so bad in Her Maj's
realm?

Hmmm ... books sales in Saudi Arabia, for example, would surely go well,
lotsa oil money to burn in THAT there haven of "democracy." Maybe therein,
D'Icke would find absolute freedom to say, deconstruct the Koran perhaps, or
call them Royals blood-sucking "REPTILES?" Surely, these well-known
democratic paradise's would be preferable to that damnable "fascist" state
of England, founded on Western Christian laws and values.

BTW, can anyone from U.S. Yankee-land, enunciate for me, at core, what
difference politically exists between the loony rants of the D'Icke's, and
say Jesuit trained Pat Buchannan? Or, out of the hundreds of hard right
groups, the most influential seemingly the Christian Coalition, led by
televangelist and corporate mogul - Pat Robertson?

Because of Robertson's smooth style and easy access to power, most
mainstream journalists seem to routinely ignore his authoritarianism,
bigotry, and paranoid dabbling in conspiracy theories, which to me, sound
hardly different from the likes of D'Icke?

Robertson's gallery of conspirators parallels the roster of the John Birch
Society, including the Freemasons, the Bavarian Illuminati, the Council on
Foreign Relations, and the Trilateral Commission.

In Robertson's book The New World Order, he trumps the Birchers (their
founder called Dwight Eisenhower a communist agent) by alluding to an anti
Christian conspiracy that supposedly began in ancient Babylon--a theory that
evokes historic anti-Jewish bigotry and resembles the notions of the fascist
demagogue Lyndon LaRouche, who is routinely dismissed by the corporate media
as a crackpot.

Robertson's homophobia is profound. He is also a religious bigot who has
repeatedly said that Hindus and Muslims are not morally qualified to hold
government posts. "If anybody understood what Hindus really believe," says
Robertson, "there would be no doubt that they have no business administering
government policies in a country that favors freedom and equality."

Robertson's embrace of authoritarian theocracy is equally robust:

"There will never be world peace until God's house and God's people are
given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world. How can
there be peace when drunkards, drug dealers, communists, atheists, New Age
worshipers of Satan, secular humanists, oppressive dictators, greedy money
changers, revolutionary assassins, adulterers, and homosexuals are on top?"

Well to be frank, for a moment I thought from above sentiment, Robertson was
giving a concise history of the Vatican and its popes, until I recalled that
Robertson has already signed his mini secret "concordat" with that coterie,
in order for him to keep his trap shut.



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IT'S OFFICIAL: BRITAIN IS A FASCIST STATE.
by David Icke

My talk at the Burlington Hotel, Birmingham, this Sunday has been cancelled
after the management refused to allow me to speak there.

All it took was one phone call from the group in eastern Canada led by
"Green Party" frontman, Richard Warman. They leave it as late as possible,
so another venue cannot be found.

The Burlingham Hotel management even rang the management of a recent venue,
the City Varieties Theatre in Leeds, who told them that there was a packed
house in Leeds, an excellent event, and no problem whatsoever. Despite this,
they still pulled the meeting.

Needless to say the idea that we live in a free world is utterly, utterly,
ludicrous while enemies of freedom like Richard Warman (right) go on
protecting the people from public exposure who are sacrificing, torturing,
and abusing our children, and enemies of freedom like the Burlington Hotel
go on pulling events with no thought of the consequences for others.

I hope you are proud of yourself, Mr. Warman, but know this: The day is fast
approaching when the evidence will be overwhelming and undeniable by anyone
that what I am exposing is true. When that day comes, as it will, you will
then have to explain to everyone why you have dedicated your life to
preventing such exposure from being made public and therefore ensuring that
yet more children go on being sacrificed, tortured, and abused day after day
after day.

There are many people in this world, Mr. Warman, that I wouldn't want to be.
But I think you, at this moment, are very close to the top of the list
because you are just the small fry, the very small fry, who will be hung out
to dry when its suits those who are pulling your strings. I hope you have
your excuses well prepared because you are going to need them.

For the moment, all those who have bought tickets and had your right to hear
what you choose to hear denied again 

[CTRL] One World Religion is Not Enough

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One World Religion is Not Enough

By Wendy Griffith
CBN News Reporter
October 24, 2000


CBN.com - -- Globalization – It has become a pretty common buzzword in
recent years. It seems everyone is talking about global economics,
global politics, and now even global religion.

It may sound far-fetched, but many liberal organizations, including the
United Nations, are pursuing the development of a one-world religious
organization. Today, on the UN’s 55th anniversary, CBN News takes a look
at what's behind this push for a global religion.

After a while the drums, chants and prayers representing many of the
world's leading religions all started to sound alike, somehow losing
their flavor in a melting pot of spiritual soup. The first ever
Millennium World Peace Summit of religious and spiritual leaders took
place at the United Nations in August. And some believe it marked the
first major step toward a movement to usher in a global spiritual body
that may one day speak for all religions.

"It certainly sounds suspicious to me," remarks Bob McGinnis.

Mcginnis, of the Family Research Council, says it appears the hidden
agenda is to unite people under one religious organization so they will
peacefully accept UN goals such as population control, abortion rights
and one world government.

"I would suspect that they do kind of want to bring all faiths under one
umbrella, whether it be Muslims or Hindus or some tribal group down in
the central part of the Amazon," says McGinnis. "If they can accomplish
that then they co-opt their religious voice in the world and I think
it's really going to water down our effectiveness as we try to go
elsewhere and be spokespersons for Christ."

"Maybe there is, instead of all these different Gods, maybe there's one
God who manifests himself in different ways to different people," stated
Ted Turner at the Summit.

CNN founder and billionaire Turner was the honorary chair of the World
Religions Summit. Turner, known for his critical views on Biblical
Christianity, promoted the new age concept that there are many ways to
heaven.

"The thing that disturbed me was that my religion, the Christian sect,
was very intolerant, not of religious freedom, but we thought we were
the only ones going to heaven," he told the assembled leaders.

Although the movement's goals are clearly anti-Biblical, some liberal
protestant denominations have become big supporters of a New World
church. Among those leading the way is the United Religions Initiative,
or U.R.I. Introduced in 1995 by San Francisco Episcopal bishop William
Swing, the U.R.I. is active in nearly 60 countries worldwide and 33
states in the United States. The U.R.I. envisions itself as the future
religious arm and spiritual partner of the United Nations.

"I think the initial vision that Bishop Swing had was that it would be a
religious United Nations," says Rev. Charles Gibbs. "What we've
discovered over the years is that it carries with it a tremendous amount
of baggage."

Gibbs, who is the executive director of the United Religions Initiative,
denies reports that the U.R.I. goal is to form a new world religion, but
says, instead, it will serve as a global agency that will work towards
world peace, protection of the environment and other social issues.

"We still hold the aspiration that we'll have the visibility and stature
of the United Nations but in a very different organization where all
over the world, everyday, ordinary and exceptional people are working
through interfaith cooperation to solve the pressing issues they have
locally and still be connected to a global community," notes Gibbs.

Supporters of a global religious voice have come down hard on
evangelical Christians who refuse to adopt their new age agenda. For
example, former UN Assistant Secretary-General Robert Muller said,
fundamentalists are stuck in an "inflexible belief system and play an
incendiary role in global conflicts." He goes on to say that "peace will
be impossible without the taming of fundamentalism through a united
religion that professes faithfulness only to the global spirituality and
to the health of this planet."

U.R.I. founder Bishop Swing is also quoted as saying, " The time comes
when common language and a common purpose for all religions and
spiritual movements must be discerned and agreed upon. Merely respecting
and understanding religions is not enough."

Biblical scholars warn that Christians must not be sucked into this new
age agenda that takes the focus off Christ and places it on the
so-called "global good" of mankind.

"It is written, Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and forever,"
stresses Dr. Charles Holman, a divinity professor at Regent University.
"Real Christians will follow him to the end."

If global religion supporters do gain influence, many say a key object
of worship will be creation - not the creator. The U.R.I. supports the
push by former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev and Canadian billionaire
Maurice 

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  Amherst, NY (October 17, 2000)-Gary Posner, a consultant for the Committee
for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the Paranormal (CSICOP) and
executive director of Tampa Bay Skeptics, probes the credentials and claims
of Richard C. Hoagland in the November/December issue of Skeptical Inquirer.
Hoagland, a science writer, is the author of the 1987 book "The Monuments of
Mars: A City on the Edge of Forever"-a book that lays out his vision of an
ancient Martian metropolis, an idea based on images of supposed "ruins"
shown
in a 1976 NASA Viking mission photo.

 The "Face on Mars" is an outcropping of rock in the Cydonia region of Mars.
The Viking 1 Orbiter photographed an image of this geographic feature in
1976. Catalogued as Plate #035A72, it shows a formation with the vague
appearance of a human face. When the photo was released to the public, there
was a surge of speculation that the image revealed an artificial structure
built by intelligent life. In 1998 NASA released a Mars Global Surveyor
image
of the same outcropping. With different lighting and much higher resolution,
this image clearly shows that the "Face on Mars" is nothing more than a
natural geographical feature. Nevertheless, the wild claims persist, along
with accusations of a NASA cover-up.

 Richard Hoagland has been a lighting rod in this charged atmosphere of
anything-goes speculation and innuendo. But unlike many who see an ancient
extraterrestrial culture and a cosmic message to humanity in the Cydonian
rock, Hoagland is not easily dismissed. After all, he seems to have the ear
of NASA and a list of accomplishments in the history of space exploration.
He
has given two talks to NASA employees following the space agency's own
investigation of the "Face on Mars," he was the first to conceive of a
possible ocean beneath the crust of the Jovian moon Europa, and he was
responsible for the Pioneer 10 and 11 plaques-humanity's calling card to any
intelligent beings who might stumble on these probes in interstellar space.
All of this adds a lot to Hoagland's credibility-if you take the
interpretation of the above-mentioned events at face value.

 Gary Posner decided to investigate these accounts of Hoagland's
contributions to astronomy and space exploration, looking to place
Hoagland's
own image into higher resolution.

 As for his NASA appearances, a March 1990 appearance at the NASA's Lewis
Research Center in Cleveland, OH, Posner found that Hoagland was asked to
talk as part of an "employee perk" presentation series, not because NASA was
seriously examining his ideas. Posner's questions to NASA also revealed that
a later appearance  in September also seemed to be more for novelty and
entertainment than forging ahead in space science.

 In July 1990 on the "For the People" radio program Hoagland proclaimed that
"Carl [Sagan] for many years has been taking public credit for the Pioneer
plaque which, of course Eric Burgess and I conceived." In November of that
year he claimed that "Carl. was involved with Eric Burgess and me in the
design of [the] message." But according to Posner in 1990 correspondence
between him and Carl Sagan, Sagan stated that "Eric Burgess and Richard
Hoagland did no more than suggest to me that a message be put aboard Pioneer
10 and 11.Frank Drake and I. did the design, and I was responsible for
getting it through the White House and NASA approval process."

 As for the hypothesis that there are oceans beneath the surface of Europa,
none other than Arthur C. Clarke states in his 2010: Odyssey Two that the
idea "was first proposed by Richard C. Hoagland in the magazine Star  Sky
("The Europa Enigma," January , 1980)." However, Clarke himself seems to
have
been mistaken. John S. Lewis first proposed the idea in 1971 and several
other scientists published articles in agreement during the 1970s. Posner
found that Ralph Greenberg, a professor of mathematics at the University of
Washington in Seattle has been trying for years to convince Hoagland to set
the record straight-without success.

 Founded in 1976 by Dr. Paul Kurtz of the State University of New York at
Buffalo, the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the
Paranormal (CSICOP) encourages the critical investigation of paranormal and
fringe-science claims from a responsible, scientific point of view and
disseminates factual information about the results of such inquiries to the
scientific community and the public. It also promotes science and scientific
inquiry, critical thinking, science education, and the use of reason in
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[CTRL] Freemasons the Jesus Seminar

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Freemasons  the 
Jesus Seminar
in 
the
Southern Baptist 
Convention
Lamentation 
is often heard concerning the apostate condition of this denomination. However, 
there seems to be a good reason for the choice of paths which the SBC is 
travelling, namely important statistics regarding the membership of Freemasons 
in the SBC, as published by Biblical Discernment Ministries: 

"U.S. 
membership [in the Masons] is claimed at about three million, with about five 
million worldwide... The official magazine of Masonry in the U.S. is titled New 
Age. Some church denominations are also led by avowed Masons (e.g., a 1991 
survey by the Southern Baptist Convention Sunday School Board found that 14% of 
SBC pastors and 18% of SBC deacon board chairs are Masons. It is also estimated 
that SBC members comprise 37% of total U.S. lodge 
membership.)"
37% 
of 3,000,000 would have been 1,110,000 Masons who held membership in the SBC. 
This estimate was for 1991. How many are there today? Also, how many Masons 
attend SBC churches but do not hold formal memberships? And how many Masons 
belong to other Christian denominations? (A Mason once informed us that the 
Masons encourage their members to go to church.)

In 
1993, Foundation Magazine carried an article exposing the failure of the SBC to 
deal with the problem of Masonic members. The response of the 1993 convention to 
a document titled "A Study Of Freemasonry" was approval of the following 
recommendation, which represents the present compromised position of the SBC: 

"In 
light of the fact that many tenets and teachings of Freemasonry are not 
compatible with Christianity and Southern Baptist doctrine, while others are 
compatible with Christianity and Southern Baptist doctrine, we therefore 
recommend that consistent with our denomination's deep convictions regarding the 
priesthood of the believer and the autonomy of the local church, membership in a 
Masonic Order be a matter of personal conscience. Therefore, we exhort Southern 
Baptists to prayerfully and carefully evaluate Freemasonry in the light of the 
Lordship of Christ, the teachings of the Scripture, and the findings of this 
report, as led by the Holy Spirit of God." 

THE JESUS SEMINAR

Considering 
that over 1 million Freemasons belong to the Southern Baptist Convention, and 
many hold positions of authority, it is not surprising that a Jesus Seminar 
leader would be invited to address an SBC congregation. For details of this 
landmark event, please refer to David Cloud's Way of Life Literature report: 
Christ-Denier Speaks at Southern Baptist Church.

Presently 
there are an abundance of books in bookstores which promote the thesis of the 
Jesus Seminar: that the true message of Jesus Christ was suppressed by the early 
Church but has been preserved in non-canonical works written by Gnostics ~ 
especially the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were discovered in Qumran in 1945, and 
the Nag Hammadi Library, discovered in Egypt in 1947. 


The majority of books promoting 
these heretical manuscripts are of Masonic origin: The Hiram Key; The Dead 
Sea Scrolls Deception; The Message of the Sphinx; Holy Blood, Holy Grail; 
and Bloodline of the Holy Grail. (1)

The 
Introduction to a popular volume of the Nag Hammadi Library rejects the 
inspiration of two gospels that have been a part of the traditional Christian 
canon: 
"The 
Jewish Christianity of the first generation in Galilee that developed the 
collection of sayings imbedded in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke may well have 
been considered heretical even by Paul and the Hellenists, and the feeling may 
have been mutual." 
The 
Gospel of Mark is also suspect, according to the Masonic authors of Holy 
Blood, Holy Grail, subsequent to the recovery in 1958 of the Gnostic Secret 
Gospel of Mark near Jerusalem. (2)
Since 
its inception in 1985, the Jesus Seminar has been preoccupied with discrediting 
Jesus Christ as revealed in the Christian Scriptures and seeking to discover 
"the historical Jesus" in the Gnostic scriptures. With three Gospels of the New 
Testament now discredited, Jesus Seminar scholars have turned to a new gospel 
which presents "another Jesus" who preaches "another 
Gospel."

A 
survey of the Jesus Seminar, available at the University of California at Santa 
Barbara web site, mentions their "scholarly" translation of a new version which 
includes the "recent archeological discovery" - the Gospel of Thomas: 

"Part 
of the project was also the preparation of a new translation of the gospels, 
prepared by a group within the Seminar, known as "the Scholars Version." This 
translation, and the work of the Jesus Seminar as a whole, includes the 
non-canonical Gospel of Thomas, preserved in a Coptic version as part of the Nag 
Hammadi Codices discovered in Upper Egypt in 1945...The results of all this work 
appeared in 1993: The Five Gospels: The Search for the Authentic Words of 
Jesus, by Robert W. Funk, Roy W. Hoover, and the Jesus 

[CTRL] Freemasons the Jesus Seminar

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Freemasons  the Jesus Seminar in the Southern Baptist Convention

Lamentation is often heard concerning the apostate condition of this
denomination. However, there seems to be a good reason for the choice of
paths which the SBC is travelling, namely important statistics regarding the
membership of Freemasons in the SBC, as published by Biblical Discernment
Ministries:

"U.S. membership [in the Masons] is claimed at about three million, with
about five million worldwide... The official magazine of Masonry in the U.S.
is titled New Age. Some church denominations are also led by avowed Masons
(e.g., a 1991 survey by the Southern Baptist Convention Sunday School Board
found that 14% of SBC pastors and 18% of SBC deacon board chairs are Masons.
It is also estimated that SBC members comprise 37% of total U.S. lodge
membership.)" 37% of 3,000,000 would have been 1,110,000 Masons who held
membership in the SBC. This estimate was for 1991. How many are there today?
Also, how many Masons attend SBC churches but do not hold formal
memberships? And how many Masons belong to other Christian denominations? (A
Mason once informed us that the Masons encourage their members to go to
church.)

In 1993, Foundation Magazine carried an article exposing the failure of the
SBC to deal with the problem of Masonic members. The response of the 1993
convention to a document titled "A Study Of Freemasonry" was approval of the
following recommendation, which represents the present compromised position
of the SBC:

"In light of the fact that many tenets and teachings of Freemasonry are not
compatible with Christianity and Southern Baptist doctrine, while others are
compatible with Christianity and Southern Baptist doctrine, we therefore
recommend that consistent with our denomination's deep convictions regarding
the priesthood of the believer and the autonomy of the local church,
membership in a Masonic Order be a matter of personal conscience. Therefore,
we exhort Southern Baptists to prayerfully and carefully evaluate
Freemasonry in the light of the Lordship of Christ, the teachings of the
Scripture, and the findings of this report, as led by the Holy Spirit of
God."

THE JESUS SEMINAR

Considering that over 1 million Freemasons belong to the Southern Baptist
Convention, and many hold positions of authority, it is not surprising that
a Jesus Seminar leader would be invited to address an SBC congregation. For
details of this landmark event, please refer to David Cloud's Way of Life
Literature report: Christ-Denier Speaks at Southern Baptist Church.

Presently there are an abundance of books in bookstores which promote the
thesis of the Jesus Seminar: that the true message of Jesus Christ was
suppressed by the early Church but has been preserved in non-canonical works
written by Gnostics ~ especially the Dead Sea Scrolls, which were discovered
in Qumran in 1945, and the Nag Hammadi Library, discovered in Egypt in 1947.

The majority of books promoting these heretical manuscripts are of Masonic
origin: The Hiram Key; The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception; The Message of the
Sphinx; Holy Blood, Holy Grail; and Bloodline of the Holy Grail. (1)

The Introduction to a popular volume of the Nag Hammadi Library rejects the
inspiration of two gospels that have been a part of the traditional
Christian canon:

"The Jewish Christianity of the first generation in Galilee that developed
the collection of sayings imbedded in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke may
well have been considered heretical even by Paul and the Hellenists, and the
feeling may have been mutual."

The Gospel of Mark is also suspect, according to the Masonic authors of Holy
Blood, Holy Grail, subsequent to the recovery in 1958 of the Gnostic Secret
Gospel of Mark near Jerusalem. (2)
Since its inception in 1985, the Jesus Seminar has been preoccupied with
discrediting Jesus Christ as revealed in the Christian Scriptures and
seeking to discover "the historical Jesus" in the Gnostic scriptures. With
three Gospels of the New Testament now discredited, Jesus Seminar scholars
have turned to a new gospel which presents "another Jesus" who preaches
"another Gospel."

A survey of the Jesus Seminar, available at the University of California at
Santa Barbara web site, mentions their "scholarly" translation of a new
version which includes the "recent archeological discovery"  - the Gospel of
Thomas:

"Part of the project was also the preparation of a new translation of the
gospels, prepared by a group within the Seminar, known as "the Scholars
Version." This translation, and the work of the Jesus Seminar as a whole,
includes the non-canonical Gospel of Thomas, preserved in a Coptic version
as part of the Nag Hammadi Codices discovered in Upper Egypt in 1945...The
results of all this work appeared in 1993: The Five Gospels: The Search for
the Authentic Words of Jesus, by Robert W. Funk, Roy W. Hoover, and the
Jesus Seminar, published by Macmillan in New York."

Gnosis means 

Re: [CTRL] DAVID ICKE OFFERS SPIRITUAL BALONEY TO GLOBAL CONSPIRACIES

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LMAO!!!

This is some of the funniest BULL CRAP I've read for days here, and who else
but "Ole love" from Densemark could post this utter mumbo jumbo tripe
peddled by moneygrubbers of the ilk of D'Icke.

SNIP:

"LE: David ... Where do you get most of your information, if you can tell
us?

David: Many people within government and intelligence agencies, and the
military even   They are choosing to give it to me. They know that I'll
put it out ..."

THEY sure DO   BWHAHAHAHAHAHA Just absoltely side-splitting stuff!!!



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Subject: [CTRL] DAVID ICKE OFFERS SPIRITUAL ANSWERS TO GLOBAL CONSPIRACIES


DAVID ICKE OFFERS SPIRITUAL ANSWERS TO GLOBAL CONSPIRACIES

An Exclusive American Interview With This Controversial Author
http://www.leadingedgenews.com/icke.htm
...Interviewed By Kenneth and Dee Burke

David Icke was a professional soccer player for Coventry City and later for
Hereford before rheumatoid arthritis forced him to quit at the age of 21. He
turned to journalism and then to television, becoming a sports correspondent
on BBC 2's "Newsnight" and contributing regularly to BBCI's "Grandstand." He
went on to become a national spokesman for Britains's Green Party before a
visit to a medium and healer set him on the journey of discovery which was
to change his life. Having written several books, including The Robot's
Rebellion, Truth Vibrations, and Heal the World David talks about a newer
book, ...and the truth shall set you free..., which reveals the esoteric
background to (what is called) the global conspiracy and offers an inspiring
spiritual solution in which David believes that every man, woman and child
can break free from daily programming and take back their power to decide
their own destiny. David refers to this latter book as, "the most explosive
book of the 20th century."


LE: David, tell us about ...and the truth shall set you free...

David: Yes. It's about 500 pages of documented information which fits
together many things that appear to be independent of each other...and shows
how the same few people actually pull the strings of all of them. And, at
the same time, it looks at the spiritual solutions because the very strong
point that I'm making is that the conspiratorial and the spiritual are not
isolated. They're not independent. They are a reflection of each other. I'm
a great believer in the idea that we create our own reality. I think we put
out a magnetic pulse, a magnetic vibration like a broadcast, which is unique
to us. It reflects exactly our sense of reality and our sense of self. I
feel that this magnetic broadcast then attracts to it other magnetic fields
(people, places, ways of life, experiences) which create, in effect an exact
physical replica of our subconscious mind in front of our eyes. I think that
all the people and experiences, the things we attract into our lives, are
actually reflecting back as part of us.

LE: We believe that also.

David: And, therefore...and it's increasingly probably true...a very few
people control the worldnot everything that happens in the world, but
its direction toward more centralization of power and erosion of freedom.
Then, that must be a physical reflection of the collective human
consciousness and its state of being. I feel it works like this: you can't
control 6 billion people with taxes because there are too many people. But,
you can do it by coup d'etat of the mind, which is to persuade and pressure
people through fear to think the way you want them to think, or preferably,
not to think at all. You're like a farmer. You can control a whole vast herd
of sheep because most of the sheep will follow the one in front, and those
stragglers that don't immediately conform get the dose of fear from the
sheep dog. I have actually watched one sheep dog round up a whole herd of
sheep and I thought, "Crickey! This is how the human race is controlled!"

What happens is that, if you look at all dogmas, all cultures, all
societies, they've got what I call a "hassle-free zone." This is that area
within any culture, within each dogma, whether it's a religious dogma or
whatever, wherein you conform to the accepted thought and behavior of that
dogma of that society. You're in the comfort zone (the hassle-free zone). No
one's going to laugh at you or condemn you for being different, for
expressing your uniqueness, because you're locked into the herd mentality,
and you're conforming to what you're told you should be. When you step out
of the herd mentality and you say, "Hey, I'm me! I'm a unique aspect of all
that exists and, therefore, I'm not going to be frightened," then you
immediately face hassle or ridicule or condemnation, or, in my case, all of
them, in England.

LE: Most people are afraid to do this.

David: Yes. The fear of facing condemnation gets people to conform to what
they think is acceptable to others 

Re: [CTRL] Holy War: The Holy War Against Alien Life (fwd)

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WHERE IS THIS "Kurzweil"  GUYS SITE?

I have observed images of supposed "UFO's," - frankly, I think some of these
"saucers,"  could hardly zip across the length of my kitchen, let alone
interdimensionally, or supposedly intergalactically. UFOlogy is a joke!

ET's are a psychological symptom, and today, a secular mysticism in place of
oldtime superstition.

Scientific experiments, for example, indicate that even faint magnetic
fields generated around the brain, produce the same mystic experience that
UFO "abductees" supposedly experience.

Furthermore, the "messages," that "abductees," of UFO's and aliens have is
identical in philosophy to the One Worlder religio-political-economic elite.

The deceptive intrigues and deceptions of various of the ancient and modern
priestcraft, creating "gods," demons, spirits, so on and so forth is well
attested. In addition, I would suggest that people have ever "mysteriously
vanished," in the old world because of the deceptions such cliques and
people claiming to be taken by their "gods" when drugged off their heads to
"other worlds," or under the drugged, hypnotics influence of shamans,
voodooists, conjurors, mesmerists, sorcerers, then claiming such
hallucinations were reality.

Why would the CIA, as has been widely reported, actively spread LSD into the
general community? Has not the CIA, along with other apparatus' of the
Ruling Elite, promoted this "alien" gewgaw all along?

What is the following except the avowed use superstition, secular mysticism,
employed toward political ends? According to USA Today and other newspapers,
Henry Kissinger, in an address to the Bilderbergers meeting at Evian, France
on 21 May 1992, stated:

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to
restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if
they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or
promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all the
peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this
evil. The one thing that every man fears is the unknown. When presented with
this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the
guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

"If the Earthlings should not raise their vibratory rate within a set period
of time, severe earth changes and major cataclysms will take place. (Such
disasters will not end the world, but shall serve as cataclysmic crucibles
to burn off the dross of unreceptive humanity. Those who die in such
dreadful purging's will be allowed to reincarnate on higher levels of
development so that their salvation will be more readily accomplished
through higher teachings on a higher vibratory level.)"

"[The occultist] is brought into intelligent communication with the spirits
of the air, and can receive any knowledge which they possess, or any false
impression they choose to impart...the demons seem permitted to do various
wonders at their request." G.H. Pember, Earth's Earliest Ages and Their
Connection with Modern Spiritualism and Theosophy (1876), p. 254

"The symbolic display seen by the abductees is identical to the type of
initiation ritual or astral voyage that is imbedded in the [occult]
traditions of every culture...the structure of abduction stories is
identical to that of occult initiation rituals...the UFO beings of today
belong to the same class of manifestation as the [occult] entities that were
described in centuries past." Dr. Jacques Vallee citing the extensive
research of Bertrand Meheust [Science-Fiction et Soucoupes Volantes (Paris,
1978); Soucoupes Volantes et Folklore (Paris, 1985)], in Confrontations, p.
146, 159-161

"The 'medical examination' to which abductees are said to be subjected,
often accompanied by sadistic sexual manipulation, is reminiscent of the
medieval tales of encounters with demons. It makes no sense in a
sophisticated or technical framework: any intelligent being equipped with
the scientific marvels that UFOs possess would be in a position to achieve
any of these alleged scientific objectives in a shorter time and with fewer
risks." -Dr. Jacques Vallee, Confrontations, p. 13

Is abducting and raping women okay if extra-terrestrials do it? Also, why
all the authoritarian overtones to some of the messages? Do they really have
our best interest in mind or is there evidence of some kind of control
system?

The Aetherius Society, a UFO sect, founded by contactee George KIng..in its
documents, based on information from UFO sources, we are told that "Globe
Master, a ruler of the world, is to come - a stranger who will be more
powerful than all the armies on earth. He will remove all those from the
earth who do not respect his word. In his book "The Day the Gods Came" King
says that this ...Being will come among men dressed in the one piece suit
usually worn by the Intelligences from other Planets...He will openly
approach 

Re: [CTRL] Article by Jewish Professor regarding Jewish hatred for Christianity

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Christianity

For a start, you would need to DEFINE ...  "CHRISTIANITY" ... ???


 The authors point out that "the adherents of Jewish fundamentalism in
 Israel oppose equality for all citizens, especially non-Jews." The
respected
 Israeli sociologist Baruch Kimmerling, citing evidence from a study
 conducted by other scholars, declared: "The value of the [Jewish]
religion,
 at least in its Orthodox and nationalistic form that prevails in Israel,
 cannot be squared with democratic values. No other variable neither
 nationality, nor attitudes about security, nor social or economic values,
 nor ethnic descent and education so influences the attitudes of [Israeli]
 Jews against democratic values as does religiousity."

Hmmm ... sounds a rather broad brushed statement to make imo?  Many Jewish
people are secular, and subscribe to no  religion.


 What particularly concerns the authors is the total contempt which Jewish
 fundamentalists show toward non-Jews. Rabbi Kook the Elder, the revered
 father of the messianic tendency of Jewish fundamentalism, said, "The
 difference between a Jewish soul and souls of non-Jews all of them in all
 different levels is greater and deeper than the difference between a human
 soul and the souls of cattle."

The Vatican (which has innumerable US sycophantic spittle-lickers), teaches
that IT ALONE is the "true church," and that Salvation of souls cannot be
attained unless it is ONLY through it. This teaching is in fact papal LAW!
All those not "saved," by [un]holy Rome, will burn and writhe in the eternal
flames and agony of "Hell,"  including the infirm, elderly, children, women,
babies, so on and so forth.

This repugnant superstition, makes the notion that some are in possession of
"lesser" souls, seem rather pale in comparison.  Some 49% of the US populace
apparently adhere to the papal religion, how many TENS of MILLIONS would
this be then? Where are the voices raised against such a barbaric religion
in the U.S.? Yet some miniscule group of Rabbi's, which ascribe to some
silly tribal superstition, from a worldwide population perhaps less than
that of a big US city, makes some headline? Rather odd in my opinion?

The Vatican "religion," claims it has over 1 BILLION devotees, many of which
inhabit the highest offices of US government and Intel.  The current US
President was trained by a Vatican institution,  by the Jesuits, via Jesuit
Georgetown University. His "morality," is testimony to his indoctrination in
the Jesuits use of CASUISTRY and equivocation.


 Common to both the Talmud and Halacha, Orthodox religious law, is a
 differentiation between Jews and non-Jews. The late, highly revered Rabbi
 Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the "Lubovitcher Rebbe" who headed the Chabad
 movement and wielded great influence in Israel as well as in the U.S.,
 explained that, "The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person
 stems from the common expression: 'Let us differentiate.' Thus, we do not
 have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior
 level. Rather, we have a case of 'let us differentiate' between totally
 different species. This is what needs to be said about the body: the body
of
 a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of
[members]
 of all nations of the world A non-Jew's entire reality is only vanity. It
is
 written, 'And the strangers shall guard and feed your flocks' (Isaiah
61:5).
 The entire creation [of a non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews"

Once again, why are the crazy rants of a minor cult elevated to such a lofty
status in this "REVIEW," as supposed representation, of apparently - ALL
JEWS?  In comparison, if you care to look at the history of your own
country, and the supposed "Christian" rants of many Catholic prelates,
which, for example, taught the doctrine, and called for the atomic
annihilation of ALL, "godless communists,"   many of the same also supported
Catholic Hitler and the Nazi regime, and exterminated Jews, at the behest of
the pope of Rome who egged his "favourite son of the church" Hitler on,
whilst saying his holy "Hail Mary's," and prayers.


 Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh, who wrote a chapter of a book in praise of
 Goldstein and what he did, is another member of this group. An immigrant
to
 Israel from the U.S., Rabbi Ginsburgh speaks freely of Jews'
genetic-based,
 spiritual superiority over non-Jews. "If you saw two people drowning, a
Jew
 and a non-Jew, the Torah says you save the Jewish life first," Ginsburgh
 states. "If every simple cell in a Jewish body entails divinity, is a part
 of God, then every strand of DNA is part of God. Therefore, something is
 special about Jewish DNA "If a Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver
of
 an innocent non-Jew passing by 

[CTRL] Cloning Around

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- - Cloning Around - -Even staunch opponents of human cloning are 
conceding there probably isn't abig enough stopper to bottle up human 
cloning experiments much longer. Thatrealization comes with the recognition 
that some groupssimply will not wait until the medical research community 
has resolved all ofits issues.Exhibit one are the Raelians, who 
claim that humans are clones ofextraterrestrial scientists and that Jesus' 
resurrection was, in fact, acloning performed by an ET.Lead by a 
former sportswriter who now calls himself Rael, the group has 50would-be 
surrogate mothers lined up to carry cloned human embryos in theirwombs. The 
first attempt will be made with an American couple's child, a10-month-old 
girl who recently died from a medical accident, whose cells hadbeen 
preserved.The couple are paying about $500,000 to have their dead 
daughter cloned, saidRael, who was known as Claude Vorilhon before having 
what he says was anencounter with extraterrestrials in 1973. He claims to 
lead 50,000 members in85 countries.Cloning is obviously very 
attractive to the Raelians, but there will also bemany more groups whose 
beliefs give them license to pursue cloning regardlessof any restrictions 
against it. The FDA needs to understand this if it isgoing to insist that it 
has final say over cloning efforts in the US.http://www.clonaid.com/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39671-2000Oct9.html

Re: [CTRL] Lizard People Crap was ....Satanisme in the Vatican

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  Interesting theory that Bill.  Could it be that when he says they are
  "Lizards" it is a metaphor used to include them all in one group and
  that he dare not name it?

 Like snake in the grass, maybe?


It's clear now, and has been for a long time for some us, that for many of
the loony Ickeites, the term Reptilian"'PREDATORS" is a code word for Jew, I
quote from one of my posts below:

[ Here's a sample, from an anti-Semitic bigot who is given credit in Ickes
book "The Biggest Secret," as an "editor," one Ivan Fraser, who expressed
the Ickeites style of sentiment on a public forum. Here's a couple of
samples of this madman's racial hatred, and crass banality, quote:

"The predators use the Jews as their main tools. Many Jews are vampires and
suck in the energy fields of those around them. People who buy houses once
belonging to certain Jews find they have taken on a living hell. Those that
try to associate with Jews find they are not welcome."

Further on, this Fraser "editor" of Icke writes about his hated Jews:
"Recognise them for what they are, the philosophy for what it is and don't
borrow their money, eat their produce, support their art, buy into their
politics, etc. Then they will have no host. Let them ghettoise themselves if
they want to and separate themselves. But be aware that unless they change
their beliefs they will always hate you and seek to own you and your
property and desire to see you destroyed." ]

This misanthropic throwback to the Dark Ages is not an uncommon sentiment
from devotees of the Icke cult.

As far as the Vatican and Satanism is concerned, the term Satanism, like
many others, comes in the form a chameleon. It means various things to
different users. In the Reformation Era, the Roman papacy was identified as
the system of "Antichrist," and the very "seat," or throne of Satan by
Reformation scholars.

It's rituals were identified as Witchcraft, the Catholic "Mass," which was
the height of its "magic," was seen as Satanic, and thoroughly pagan in
origin. In the "Mass, " according to THE very LAW of the papal institution,
the Vatican to this day sacrifices its "god" daily upon an alter, where its
"priests" EAT, according to the LAW, the very "FLESH," and DRINK, the
LITERAL "BLOOD," of their deity. This open ritual cannibalism, and
superstition is practiced openly without a qualm of conscience by Western
society.

It is claimed that 49% of the US population is Roman catholic. One then
assumes that at least scores of millions of Americans practice this
superstition, which Reformation scholars viewed as witchcraft and Satanism.

Aside from that, the number of children abused and ruined by the perverse
activity of Roman Catholic priests is well attested.  In addition, the
propaganda value of "Satanism," and Demonisation, is immense, and the
Vatican has profited from such considerably in the past, as it does today in
order to drive the superstitious into its supposed "safe haven" domain. In
this, it employs both a religious and a secularised form for its work,
whether such is a horned, hoofed figurine, ghosts, demons, 'godless'
Communism -  or technocratic evil "aliens," so on and so forth.





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[CTRL] More than one million Iraqis ready for holy war against Israel: official

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More than one million Iraqis ready for holy war against Israel: 
official BAGHDAD, Oct 12 (AFP) - More than one million people 
have volunteered in Iraq to join the jihad (holy war) against Israel 
alongside the Palestinians, an Iraqi official said Thursday. 
"The number of people who have volunteered for the jihad in 
Palestine has surpassed one million," an official in Iraq's ruling Baath 
party said. "The volunteers, both men and women, are coming more 
and more to recruitment centers," he said.Meanwhile, the director of 
Iraqi's Baath office, Adnan Daud Sulaiman, said nearly 700,000 people had 
volunteered in the two days after President Saddam Hussein issued a 
mobilization call. The Iraqi cabinet, with Hussein presiding, 
announced Sunday it was mobilizing volunteers for a "jihad in Palestine" and 
was devoting five million euros (4.4 million dollars) to the Palestinian 
uprising. Millions of Iraqis have undergone military training 
in the past several years in training camps opened in Baghdad and the 
provinces. Iraq is militantly opposed to the US-brokered Middle 
East peace process. Copyright 2000 by Agence 
France-Presse

[CTRL] Libertarian Socialist Are Such Arrogant Fools The New World Order Is An Extension Of The Worst Elements Of Their Philosophy.

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Libertarian Socialist Are Such Arrogant Fools The New World Order Is An
Extension Of The Worst Elements Of Their Philosophy.

Fri Oct 13 2000

Editorial -- I have begun to delve further into this Libertarian Socialist
baloney I didst see silly Willie post, and as I read, I can only reflect on
what arrogant stupid fools Libertarian Socialists are.

The Libertarian Socialist author's utter tripe is an unintelligent
description of how certain professed "Christian" religious, have played a
role in forming the "New World Order," and it is no question that these
"occult" doctrines are doing that.

What the foolish and ill-informed Libertarian Socialist author does not
understand is that these so-called "Christian" doctrines are not "Satanic,"
or something alien to Christianity at all, but simply a legitimate
"progressive evolution" of the Libertarian Socialist principle - a
Libertarian Socialist principle which itself a utterly debased of
understanding of any higher truth.

The obvious arrogance of Libertarian Socialist author is that he sees his
superstitious baloney disguised as a secular philosophy, as an extreme.
The arrogance of its "Satanic" opposition is that it sees Libertarian
Socialist as an extreme as well.

The Libertarian Socialist author truly believes that his tripe represents
one of the principles - light and darkness - that I discussed, whilst in
reality, Libertarian Socialism is neither principle, but professes to lie
somewhere in the middle of the degradation of light to darkness, but
fundamentally, the self-elevated-soufflé Libertarian Socialist author has
straddled a barbed wire fence for so long that he is in essence
intellectually castrated.

To say that Libertarian Socialism has within it more light than the
doctrines of, say, Marilyn Manson's Satanism, is a not a given, for
essentially, their world view is as brain-fried as the other.

To say that Libertarian Socialism itself is the light is to lie. Libertarian
Socialism was an attempt to restore airy fairy superstitious mumbo jumbo
guised as a secular social philosophy, to a dopey group of people who had
already begun to lose their brains; the grand misologist baloney of
Libertarian Socialism being ancient, even in times ancient by our reckoning,
had already begun to grow fungi, and exude green goo upon its hirsute simian
strangled at birth mentality.

Think of it in this manner:  There was once baloney. Baloney itself was
mocked, or rather, one can form words mocking it, but the words fall flat
and are destroyed when they come into comparison with more baloney.
Libertarian Socialism baloney itself cannot be degraded, for is can sink no
lower than it already is; it can only be stepped on, and make one go
"ick!"

Now think of man as having, at some point, lost the ability to communicate
the truth (as has Libertarian Socialism), and, having lost that ability,
could only hint at the "truth" through mumbo jumbo Libertarian Socialist
symbolic representations and allegories.  It is as if the words to
communicate truth had gone, and man was only left with his language, which
could only communicate truth indirectly. Truth itself becomes hidden and
obscured, thanks muchly to the style of Libertarian Socialist waffle.

"Holy" baloney, such as the tripe peddled by the Libertarian Socialisms
author, contains much baloney, but the baloney is mostly communicated
through the Libertarian Socialist author's rectal passage.

Allegorical truth is a mystery, and interpretation of the symbols requires
an anal inspection by the Libertarian Socialist author of his bum hole
before he proceeds to prattle.

"Hidden" is what is meant by "occult," and means that the Libertarian
Socialists author longs for any dullard, aka, silly Willie, to treat him as
a priest or guru of his "hidden" bullshit "secret" mysteries, which
apparently he alone can interpret and foist upon gullible devotees of the
ilk of silly Willie.

All "occult" doctrines are not, however, equal. If there are two
principles - two ends - then one can consider that there are two directions
"occult" ism can lead to - but for the Libertarian Socialist author, both
directions end where hey began - NO WHERE!

Libertarian Socialism is neither light nor darkness, because it cannot
discern one from the other, for it has at its centre certain "Holy" baloney
that contains not simple, but grandiose baloney, and masquerades such as
occult "mysteries," which can only be understood by those who are possessed
of such swindlers key to unlock them.

One understanding of the mysteries leads man to a state of understanding
higher than literal Libertarian Socialism - and then part with his brains
and dollars in support of no good sloths living off welfare and 

[CTRL] Icons of Evolution: Science or Myth?

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Another Jolt for Evolution Theory

Ted Byfield
Edmonton Sun
October 8, 2000

If parents check the science textbooks used in Canadian schools they'll see
some familiar illustrations, familiar because much the same art appeared in
their textbooks.

There's the "evolution of man" illustration, starting with an ape-like
creature on the left, then progressing to the slightly more erect figure
with arms stretching to the ground, then to a less hairy individual, finally
to a modern human.

There's the upside-down tree illustration, beginning with the blob, the
single cell, at the top and branching out like a tree as it descends
downward to assortments of creeping and crawling things to reptiles, birds,
fish, animals and humans.

Or there's the fruit fly illustrations, showing how some fruit flies change
to double-winged creatures under certain conditions or the speckled moth
illustration showing how industrial conditions caused moths to change from
white creatures to black. Note that there are three points being made here.
One is that an amazing assortment of species have existed over time. The
second is that the more elaborate species were the offspring after many
generations of earlier less complex species. The third is that these changes
occurred through natural circumstances. There was no "mind" or plan or
design behind them, no God. It was all pure chance.

When most scientists speak of "evolution" they do not mean the first, nor
even the first and the second. They mean all three, that there was no
designer, that change happens through "natural selection." Freak differences
occurred in individual members of a species conferring a natural advantage
on the offspring of those individuals. These went on living, where those
without the advantage petered out, the "survival of the fittest."
This fall there has appeared a scientifically authoritative book casting
grave doubt on the whole basis of these confident illustrations. Dr.
Jonathan Wells, a molecular and cell biologist from the University of
California at Berkeley who is a senior fellow of the Discovery Institute, in
his Icons of Evolution does more than cast doubt.

He takes 10 so-called "proofs" of evolution offered in current textbooks and
shows where not one of them is in a fact a proof of anything, and several
are actually frauds. The speckled moths were actually pasted on the trees,
not found there. And while there may be rare instances of species that seem
part ape, part human, there is no evidence the one came from the other.

Why, you wonder, do scientists ascribe credibility to these proofs?

Because, says Dr. Wells, every scientist specializes. He may be aware the
particular "proof" offered in his own area of expertise is fundamentally
flawed, but he assumes those in all the other areas are not. In fact, he
says, they all are.

Wells's book is the second in two years to challenge the natural selection
theory. The last one was Darwin's Black Box by the biochemist Michael Behe.
He examines the blob atop the tree illustration.

In Darwin's day the simple cell was a "black box" that could not be opened.

Now, says Behe, we have opened the box; we can see how the cell is
constructed. It's about as simple as a jet engine. It is a masterpiece of
design. There is no possibility, none whatever, he says, that it could have
come about by mere happenstance.

Both these books follow an earlier one by Berkeley law professor Philip
Johnson whose Darwin On Trial put the theory of natural selection before a
make-believe jury, and gave the evidence for it as it would be presented in
court. He shows how the supposed evidence, all of it, fails to vindicate the
theory.

Yet when the Kansas school system last year decided that evolution need no
longer be taught as a scientific fact, but could be advanced as a theory
with the students urged to argue the pros and cons, the response all over
the continent was explosive. Papers like the Edmonton Journal and Globe and
Mail denounced the Kansas board as perverted by superstition and religious b
igotry. They made not a single reference to the scientific basis of the
decision.
Evolution by natural selection, says Johnson, is the "creation myth of the
20th Century." Wells agrees. Perhaps the 21st will get a better one.

Copyright 2000 Ted Byfield. All rights reserved. International copyright
secured.
File Date: 10.10.00


Icons of Evolution: Science or Myth?
by Jonathan Wells

What would you say if I told you that ten of the most prominent arguments
used as examples of neo-Darwinian evolution in today's biology textbooks are
inconclusive, incomplete or outright fraudulent? I hope you'd say "show me",
because that is exactly what Jonathan Wells does in his new book Icons of
Evolution: Science or Myth?

Noted author and Berkeley professor Phillip Johnson says, "This is one of
the most important books ever written about the evolution controversy. It
shows how devotion to the ideology of Darwinism has led to 

Re: [CTRL] Jim Marrs-What a difference a day (or two) makes

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 From: "NSA" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Perhaps an exploding implant?  ;-)
 
  Prolly a burst blood vessel  maybe too much "thinking" June ...

 Perhaps.  But that 'burst blood vessel' moved my earlobe flat against the
FRONT of my ear...IOW, my earlobe,
 and a good amount of cartilage above it, was pressed FORWARD over my ear
opening, which is why I actually
 thought I'd been shot with a BB gun...

 Ever experience getting your ears 'boxed'?  That was how my ear felt, as
if something had hit it at high
 speed, pushing the lobe and cartilage forward at high speed...


  perhaps some extra serious ... ahmmm ... ahmmm "activities" ... the
night
  before ()!  ... which quite prolly would have been associated with
an
  "EXPLODING implant!" (GGG)!!!

 I'm not sure what you're implying, but the only activity the night before
was coming home from work, making
 supper, watching some TV, and then going to bed because I had work the
next day.


I meant a vigorous sexual encounter. But now that i have some more info -
I'll ask my medico buddies, altho, i suppose you've already done that? ..
??? What do YOU think it was?



  I am not all that familiar with US politics, but I can hardly imagine
Reagan
  being a "Leftie," except for the purposes of SPYING on his fellows.

 He was, back in the 30s and 40s, which is why he was elected president of
the Actors Union.  Even Jane Wyman,
 to whom he was married at the time, expressed surprise...and not a little
disgust, since she's been fairly
 left-leaning all her life...at his sudden about-face from strident leftist
to goosestepping rightist.

 When Reagan was elected president, much was made of this 180-degree turn,
and much speculation was done as to
 what caused it.  The article where June Allyson revealed this tete-a-tete
between Reagan and Powell was not
 specifically about Reagan, it was something revealed in the course of the
interview about her life...

 She and Powell apparantly had dinner at least once a week with the Reagans
back in those days, and Allyson
 revealed that often Reagan and Powell would get into heated political
arguments, Reagan sticking to his
 leftist philosophy while Powell would argue his rightist opinions.  So it
hardly seems a case of Powell being
 a persuasive arguer that changed Reagan.  That only occured, Allyson
recounted, one specific night when after
 dinner her husband made it a point to take Reagan alone, behind locked
doors.  According to her, they were
 only in the room (I believe Powell's home office) 20 to 30 minutes, and
when they came out, Reagan was
 suddenly a convert to the rightwing political spectrum, and never deviated
from it from that day...

 Allyson presented it as an 'odd' tidbit, and I got the feeling that
perhaps she was hinting that perhaps the
 reporter should delve into this further, but of course the reporter didn't
and the article went on to other
 subjects...

 So again, I wonder what it was that Powell said or did in those 20 or so
minutes, behind locked doors (and why
 lock the door, when the only other people around were his and Reagan's
wife?), that resulted in such a
 dramatic conversion, when months of after-dinner arguments had failed to
do so?

 June



Well I think you've possibly answered your own conundrum June?  Reagan was
already infected with Powell's ideology, which he had dialogued and argued
with Reagan on many an occasion.  Therefore, the seed planted, the sales
sizzle
delivered by Powell over a long period, Reagan could have easily been
crunched into submission within a relatively brief 20 - 30 minutes. But
obviously the
sales pitch had been delivered over a much longer period by Powell.

By the way, where was this Powell character educated?

Reagan has never appeared to be of a substantive intellect, nor a decision
maker in terms of ideological movement, and leadership.  Perhaps, this was a
media distortion of him or deliberately manufactured, otoh, the media got
him
elected did they not?

To add to the notion of Reagan's imbecility and non-spontaneity, I recall
that the former Prime Minister of Australia recounts an encounter
between Reagan and Gorbachov for some heavy negotiations, Reagan is said to
have bumbled into the room and in the process stumbled and dropped a bunch
of cue cards on the floor which were basically his "script," for the meet!

Further, according to other reports, Reagan was extremely superstitious, and
consulted mediums and astrologers for his personal and politico guidance,
and was quite serious about such matters.   Such a superstitious mindset,
imo, is apt to be open to psychological suggestions which could perhaps
portray him is some "messianic&qu

[CTRL] David Icke + Gaia Anti-Christ and the Ex-Files: A Trawl through the Cultic Milieu

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Subject: [CTRL] Sv: [CTRL] David Icke

 -Caveat Lector-  Johannes Schmidt III 
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wrote:  Heh. If you have a spare $50, or a very 
broad-minded public library, try reading through The Truth Will Set You Free. 
The scholarship on his website is something else. They published as fact an 
article written some years ago in a gaming magazine about the 'Serpent People' 
of ancient Lemuria who still walk among us. The article in question was for a 
role-playing game, which seems to have evaded the researcher's notice. I don't 
know if Icke himself posted it there, but I'm sure he would be aware of 
it. 

Shyte $50 BUCKS for that pile of CRAP!!! Imagine all the toilet paper 
you could BUY with $50.00!!!The difference being, that the latter at least 
performs a VALUABLE and hygienic service!!! Icke has more HEADLESS CHOOKS 
in his mentally castrated sheople menagerie of sycophantic votaries than COLONEL 
SANDERS could've dreamed of to fill his Kentucky FRIED CHOOK production-line 
outlets!!!



Gaia Anti-Christ and the Ex-Files: A Trawl through the 
Cultic Milieu
Damian Thompson - Kingston University At the end of 1995 
the radical Jewish magazine New Moon printed a long and disturbing news feature 
under the inspired headline "The Icke Man Cometh". The article, billed as a 
"special investigation", began as follows: "It is has been hard in recent years 
to ignore the popularity of almost everything that comes under the heading New 
Age. Yoga, meditation, Kabbalah, Buddhism, alternative medicine, 
environmentalism, self-improvement and New Age therapies have all gained in 
popularity, as have all other fringe interests like UFOS and the paranormal. But 
during the past year, a dark side to the New Age message of sweetness and light 
has become increasingly clear." According to the authors of the piece, Matthew 
Kalman and John Murray, a small number of influential New Age leaders are 
embracing conspiracy theories which are heavily influenced by the racist 
ideology of the far right. The article singled out David Icke, the former 
Coventry City goalkeeper and BBC sports commentator whose public declaration in 
1990 that he was a son of God, and henceforth would dress only in turquoise, 
furnished the media with perhaps the most hilarious news story of the year. 
Well, you can stop laughing, said Kalman and Murray: for in the course of his 
eccentric spiritual pilgrimage, David Icke has turned into a fully fledged New 
Age Nazi.
Kalman 
and Murray went on to quote from a book published by Icke in 1994 called The 
Robot's Rebellion in which his well-established Green views are overlaid by a 
fantastical tapestry of far-right conspiracy theories. Icke's villains are Jews, 
Freemasons, bankers, the FBI, the gun control lobby and aliens; indeed, he 
describes "Jehovah, the vengeful God of the Jews" as "quite possibly an 
extra-terrestrial." The Robot's Rebellion sold so well in New Age circles that 
it went into three editions; a year later Icke followed it up with a book called 
...and the truth shall set you free, advertised as "the most explosive book of 
the 20th century", in which he proclaims that "almost every major negative event 
of global significance has been part of the same plan by the All-Seeing Eye cult 
to take over the planet via a centralised world government, central bank, 
currency [Eurosceptics please note] and army." Icke also describes this cult as 
"the Illuminati" and "the Brotherhood", but it soon becomes clear that he is 
most interested in its incarnation as "a global Jewish clique". Icke's 
antisemitism is of an exotic variety, increasingly well entrenched on the far 
right, which in addition to blaming the Jews for the First World War and the 
Russian Revolution, also holds them responsible for the worst excesses of Third 
Reich, including the Holocaust. Icke accuses Jewish bankers of funding Hitler's 
rise to power; he urges his readers to take Holocaust revisionism seriously; and 
explains how anti-semitic persecution is the creation of "thought patterns in 
the collective Jewish mind... They expect it; they create it."

Kalman and Murray's purpose in writing their article, which they followed 
up with a cover story in the New Statesman, was not just to expose the egregious 
Icke as a Neo-Nazi. Their point was that his views are representative of a 
significant strand of thought on the New Age movement. In his books, Icke 
enthusiastically plugs and Australian New Age magazine called Nexus which 
carries article by US militia leaders and dabbles in Holocaust revisionism; its 
circulation is 130,000, more than four times that of the New Statesman. Compare, 
too, Icke's distinctive brand of antisemitism with an article in the British New 
Age journal Rainbow Ark on the subject of modern Israel. "When a person has a 
strong hatred of another 

[CTRL] David Icke + Gaia Anti-Christ and the Ex-Files: A Trawl through the Cultic Milieu

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 Johannes Schmidt III [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 Heh. If you have a spare $50, or a very broad-minded public library, try
reading through The Truth Will Set You Free. The scholarship on his website
is something else. They published as fact an article written some years ago
in a gaming magazine about the 'Serpent People' of ancient Lemuria who still
walk among us. The article in question was for a role-playing game, which
seems to have evaded the researcher's notice. I don't know if Icke himself
posted it there, but I'm sure he would be aware of it.


Shyte $50 BUCKS for that pile of CRAP!!!  Imagine all the toilet paper you
could BUY with $50.00!!! The difference being, that the latter at least
performs a VALUABLE and hygienic service!!!  Icke has more HEADLESS CHOOKS
in his mentally castrated sheople menagerie of sycophantic votaries than
COLONEL SANDERS could've dreamed of to fill his Kentucky FRIED CHOOK
production-line outlets!!!


Gaia Anti-Christ and the Ex-Files: A Trawl through the Cultic Milieu

Damian Thompson -
Kingston University

At the end of 1995 the radical Jewish magazine New Moon printed a long and
disturbing news feature under the inspired headline "The Icke Man Cometh".
The article, billed as a "special investigation", began as follows: "It is
has been hard in recent years to ignore the popularity of almost everything
that comes under the heading New Age. Yoga, meditation, Kabbalah, Buddhism,
alternative medicine, environmentalism, self-improvement and New Age
therapies have all gained in popularity, as have all other fringe interests
like UFOS and the paranormal. But during the past year, a dark side to the
New Age message of sweetness and light has become increasingly clear."
According to the authors of the piece, Matthew Kalman and John Murray, a
small number of influential New Age leaders are embracing conspiracy
theories which are heavily influenced by the racist ideology of the far
right. The article singled out David Icke, the former Coventry City
goalkeeper and BBC sports commentator whose public declaration in 1990 that
he was a son of God, and henceforth would dress only in turquoise, furnished
the media with perhaps the most hilarious news story of the year. Well, you
can stop laughing, said Kalman and Murray: for in the course of his
eccentric spiritual pilgrimage, David Icke has turned into a fully fledged
New Age Nazi.

Kalman and Murray went on to quote from a book published by Icke in 1994
called The Robot's Rebellion in which his well-established Green views are
overlaid by a fantastical tapestry of far-right conspiracy theories. Icke's
villains are Jews, Freemasons, bankers, the FBI, the gun control lobby and
aliens; indeed, he describes "Jehovah, the vengeful God of the Jews" as
"quite possibly an extra-terrestrial." The Robot's Rebellion sold so well in
New Age circles that it went into three editions; a year later Icke followed
it up with a book called ...and the truth shall set you free, advertised as
"the most explosive book of the 20th century", in which he proclaims that
"almost every major negative event of global significance has been part of
the same plan by the All-Seeing Eye cult to take over the planet via a
centralised world government, central bank, currency [Eurosceptics please
note] and army." Icke also describes this cult as "the Illuminati" and "the
Brotherhood", but it soon becomes clear that he is most interested in its
incarnation as "a global Jewish clique". Icke's antisemitism is of an exotic
variety, increasingly well entrenched on the far right, which in addition to
blaming the Jews for the First World War and the Russian Revolution, also
holds them responsible for the worst excesses of Third Reich, including the
Holocaust. Icke accuses Jewish bankers of funding Hitler's rise to power; he
urges his readers to take Holocaust revisionism seriously; and explains how
anti-semitic persecution is the creation of "thought patterns in the
collective Jewish mind... They expect it; they create it."

Kalman and Murray's purpose in writing their article, which they followed up
with a cover story in the New Statesman, was not just to expose the
egregious Icke as a Neo-Nazi. Their point was that his views are
representative of a significant strand of thought on the New Age movement.
In his books, Icke enthusiastically plugs and Australian New Age magazine
called Nexus which carries article by US militia leaders and dabbles in
Holocaust revisionism; its circulation is 130,000, more than four times that
of the New Statesman. Compare, too, Icke's distinctive brand of antisemitism
with an article in the British New Age journal Rainbow Ark on the subject of
modern Israel. "When a person has a strong hatred of another race," it says,
"their higher self often 

Re: [CTRL] Jim Marrs-What a difference a day (or two) makes

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 I had that bruise weeks...and to this day can think of no rational
explanation for what could have caused that
 injury, that wouldn't have also shown on the front of the ear...

 Perhaps an exploding implant?  ;-)

Prolly a burst blood vessel  maybe too much "thinking" June ... or
perhaps some extra serious ... ahmmm ... ahmmm "activities" ... the night
before ()!  ... which quite prolly would have been associated with an
"EXPLODING implant!" (GGG)!!!



 Okay, here's a serious question, Aleisha.  I can't give you any info on
Lucille Ball...but do you know
 anything regarding William Powell?

 I've asked this question periodically on this, and other lists, over the
years, because of something I read at
 the time Reagan became president.  June Allyson was quoted in an
article -- quite as an aside -- saying that
 Powell (her husband at the time), was responsible for turning Reagan from
a far-left actor's union president
 to the far-right reactionary we all knew...and apparantly accomplished
this deed in the span of 20 to 30
 minutes, behind closed doors.

 So I always wondered what it was that Powell said (or perhaps, what he
WAS), that was able to sway Reagan that
 extremely, in only a matter of minutes...

People can be persuaded in seconds, let alone longer periods of time, and
persuaded into most extraordinary activities or life-course changes that
they had not planned, or perhaps had long held internally, and then had such
triggered by some event.  Although it is possible, there is no essential
need to ascribe to such changes to some cloak and dagger motive imo.

I am not all that familiar with US politics, but I can hardly imagine Reagan
being a "Leftie," except for the purposes of SPYING on his fellows. The
whole "Communist" anti-God schema, does appear to have played into the hands
of the Vatican US religio-economic-politico Alliance. In hindsight, one
could almost be excused for envisaging the hysteria generated by the "Cold
War," and the rapid "fall" of Soviet Communism, as almost stage-managed.



  Anyway, now my house has been hit by lighting three times in 5
  years..go a new television out of it, lost a big pine tree with
  great ball of fire, and then now they got my Web TV - but I had one in
  reserve...sometimes I think those Weather Modification terrorists
  have my (house) number.

 Invest in a good surge protector...not only for the electrical lines, but
for the phone line into your WebTV
 unit, too...

 June


I would add to that fine arsenal - anti inter-Galactic body-snatcher
pedants, cosmic-ray inhibitor crystals, a cupboard and fridge well stocked
with Bundaberg Rum and Coke!


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Re: [CTRL] Kalman + Murray Lies about NEXUS/David Icke

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- Original Message -
From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Kalman + Murray Lies about NEXUS/David Icke


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 In a message dated 10/10/00 6:39:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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  He networks the milita and
  New Age fields, spewing his antisemitism in both areas.  

 What a load of irresponsible propaganda.
 Icke is no more an anti-semite than the US Government is anti-semetic.
 Why the need to attack Icke, he does much good...could it be that he's
 hitting a little too close to home??

 Bill.


You stupid blind sycophant Shannon!

Who the hell do you think Ickes "REPTILIANS" are and word-coded for ... are
you REALLY THAT politico DUMB-ASSED Willie ...???

Here's a sample, from an anti-Semitic bigot who is given credit in Ickes
book "The Biggest Secret," as an "editor," one Ivan Fraser, who expressed
the Ickites style of sentiment on a public forum. Here's a couple of samples
of this madman's racial hatred, and crass banality, quote:

"The predators use the Jews as their main tools. Many Jews are vampires and
suck in the energy fields of those around them. People who buy houses once
belonging to certain Jews find they have taken on a living hell. Those that
try to associate with Jews find they are not welcome."

Further on, this Fraser "editor" of Icke writes about his hated Jews:
"Recognise them for what they are, the philosophy for what it is and don't
borrow their money, eat their produce, support their art, buy into their
politics, etc. Then they will have no host. Let them ghettoise themselves if
they want to and separate themselves. But be aware that unless they change
their beliefs they will always hate you and seek to own you and your
property and desire to see you destroyed."

Terms, such as "Reptilian" and "Predators," have long been used by these
Gnostic/Aryan/White Supremacist crazies as code for their racial hatred of
Jews.

Wake up Willie! You've been had, and had well and good by these racists and
moneygrubber whores who masquerade as crusaders of "truth."




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[CTRL] Truth about the David Icke et al Moneygrubbers Style of Politics!

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- Original Message -
From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Kalman + Murray Lies about NEXUS/David Icke


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 In a message dated 10/10/00 7:37:10 PM Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  You stupid blind sycophant Shannon! 

 Personal attacks...a no-no.

The above is simply a reflection based on your personality and gullible
character. We can also now add HYPOCRITE to your character trait Willie.
Just read your own "personal attacks," upon others, which anyone can check
going back through the archives HYPOCRITE Willie.  Not to mention your
deranged and maddened private e-mail enraged froth LOLOL to moi!!!

I don't believe I've yet felt so INTENSELY PERSONAL in objection to
someone's public forum post, to send them PRIVATE, UNSOLICITED e-mail ABUSE,
as per poor old apoplectic Willie has done on a number of occasions.


 Who the hell do you think Ickes "REPTILIANS" are and word-coded for ...
are
 you REALLY THAT politico DUMB-ASSED Willie ...???

 You're off your rocker dude...reptilians is code for Jews??? Take a pill!

From your Height Ashbury days, I imagine you've already popped a few too
many "pills" Willie, (or was that PSEUDO about you as well Willie - you just
never SWALLOWED, like you namesake, "NEVER" did ANYTHING?)  Hmmm ...  and by
sounds, most likely you've never even read much of the baloney peddled by
the publicly self-acclaimed "SON OF GOD," (LMAO!!!) Icke. Only one as naive
as yourself would defend his style, and his devotees indefensible hogwash.



 Here's a sample, from an anti-Semitic bigot who is given credit in Ickes
 book "The Biggest Secret," as an "editor," one Ivan Fraser, who expressed
 the Ickites style of sentiment on a public forum.

 Your sample is not from Icke and is therefore totally irrelevant. Icke
can't
 be responsible for the utterings of others and you clearly have an axe to
 grind with Icke...but spreading lies is pretty desperate no? And the
 name-calling too...must have hit a nerve!

What "lies" (plural), in the above statements would they be sly Willie? Or
have you just committed one?

Why did you snip and censor the quote sly Willie? Too hot to handle for you?
Here it is again, and just so you don't misunderstand , I think it is quite
clear that "PREDATORS," as this style of paranoid mindset uses, is also
synonymous to this racist mindsets use of the term "REPTILIAN," and that
"PREDATORS," here refers (below) to this Reptilian Predators
"consciousness," being in control of "the JEWS," and that "Jews are
Vampires." I suppose, from some of the other diatribes posted by you, and
from your other guru Achyara, (another whom Icke relies and quotes), you
agree with such sentiments?  Seems there is an entire NETWORK of your ilk
emerging here Willie? Just like that "Gaia Anti-Christ and the Ex-Files: A
Trawl through the Cultic Milieu" article implies? A NETWORK of Jew Haters,
using "Conspiracy Theory," and New Agey style neo-Gnostic "spirituality,"
as a cover for their Racism perhaps Willie?

[Here's a couple of samples of this madman's racial hatred, and crass
banality, quote: "The predators use the Jews as their main tools. Many Jews
are vampires and suck in the energy fields of those around them. People who
buy houses once belonging to certain Jews find they have taken on a living
hell. Those that try to associate with Jews find they are not welcome."

Further on, this Fraser "editor" of Icke writes about his hated Jews:
"Recognise them for what they are, the philosophy for what it is and don't
borrow their money, eat their produce, support their art, buy into their
politics, etc. Then they will have no host. Let them ghettoise themselves if
they want to and separate themselves. But be aware that unless they change
their beliefs they will always hate you and seek to own you and your
property and desire to see you destroyed."]

Yes, from what i hear I suppose Icke does "hit" on people, including hitting
their hip pocket for there well-earned income to waste on the trash he
plagarises without any sense for discernment.

I'd further suggest, the other very teneder "nerve" hit sly Willie, has been
your own, by the placement of a expose-bomb under ANOTHER sleazy and
moneygrubber guru and scared cow you sycophantically adore and fawn over sly
Willie.

One does imagine that to employ an "EDITOR" for ones book, one would do some
serious research into the views and character of such and editor, and one
would imagine, that in apparently KNOWING such an "EDITOR" personally, that
one would be cognizant of this individuals overt racist views. Now you're
saying STUPIDITY, and ingnorance are an excuse for the huckster?  You're
HOOT Willie!!! lol!!!


 Icke is on record saying that ALL racism and intolerance is WRONG...

Yeah ... except his own ... and your own ... naturally.


 Why are you so afraid of Icke? Now THAT'S what I want to know!

 

[CTRL] UN warns of all out war in Middle East

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UN warns of all out war in Middle East
http://theage.com.au/news/20001005/A32240-2000Oct4.html
By ROSS DUNN
JERUSALEM
Thursday 5 October 2000


Middle East crisis talks in Paris last night move to Egypt today, as UN
chief Kofi Annan warned that Palestinians and Israelis were on the brink of
"an all out war".

He was speaking before joining the US brokered meeting in Paris between
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

The talks, chaired by US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, were aimed
at halting a week of violence, which has left as many as 58 dead and more
than a 1000 injured.

Mr Annan stressed the seriousness of the situation. "Instead of moving
forward with a peace settlement, we now seem to have almost an all-out war
in a highly populated area.

"It's incumbent on the leaders to really do whatever they can to reign in
the forces and ensure that innocent civilians are not the ones to pay the
price," he said.

After the Paris meeting, Mr Barak and Mr Arafat will travel to the Red Sea
resort of Sharm el-Sheikh for talks to be hosted by Egyptian President Hosni
Mubarak.

Dr Albright is also expected to attend the meeting in Egypt.

The talks come during what appears to be an easing in the level of violence,
although Israel said the worst may be still to come.

Deputy chief-of-staff of the Israeli army, Major-General Moshe Ya'alon, said
an escalation could be expected.

"The climax is still ahead of us and the Israeli defence is ready for any
development," he said.

Israel has agreed to reduce its military presence at points in the occupied
territories where there have been intense friction. Tanks have been pulled
back and other armored vehicles have been positioned so they cannot be seen
from the Palestinian side.

But General Ya'alon said the word "ceasefire" was not the right word to
describe these developments.

"This is not a case of two equal sides that have to put a stop to the firing
between them," he said.

"We are not shooting and taking over territory. We are firing only as
necessary and only in self-defence. Since the start of the wave of violence,
we have reacted to violence against us and are not initiating any violent
operations."

He said Mr Arafat could bring about an end to the violence at any time by
bringing into line the Tanzim, the Palestinian political youth movement
which has been in the thick of the fighting.

But Palestinian leaders insist they are not endangering the Israeli army,
which they say has been using brutal and excessive military power against
their people.

"It's not a war," said senior Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat. "We are
not shooting them; they are shooting at us and we're dying."

Nearly all of those killed have been Palestinians, many of them
stone-throwing youths who were felled by live bullets, and in some cases
anti-tank missiles and machine-gun fire from helicopter gunships.

Images of the fighting have promoted the belief that Israel is using
excessive force

A missile hit a Palestinian rioter killing him as he stood on a rooftop near
the army outpost at Netzarim in the Gaza Strip.

In the frenzy of rage and grief that followed, one of his friends picked up
some a bloodied body part and waved it widely in his bare hands, as others
shouted: "Allahu Akhbar (God is great)."

But Major-General Giora Eilan, Israel's army chief-of-staff, said that the
army only used heavy firepower in extreme situations such as at the Netzarim
Junction, where soldiers at an outpost are guarding a Jewish settlement.

"We try to use fire only when it is needed but you have to understand that
when there is a position or a settlement with a few soldiers that is
attacked by hundreds of people, sometimes the only way to defend your life
is to use live fire when it happens people are killed," he said.

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Re: [CTRL] Occult within covert groups?

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Define "Occult" and "Satanist"

Some would, for example suggest that such terms could be applied to Roman
Catholicism, and the RC Jesuits who enact their "Spiritual Exercises."

This religio-political organization has consorted with, been involved with,
and necessarily influenced Intel Orgs for CENTURIES!

http://www.tuppersaussy.com/mostpowerfulman.htm

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Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Occult within covert groups?


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   The anecdotal evidence, from survivor accounts I've come across over the
 years, is that many/most make an intel connection to their ritual abuse
 experiences.  Dr. Bennett Braun documented many such accounts from
survivors
 who linked their perps to national senators, CEO's of Fortune 500
companies
 and members of the intelligence community.  He started to give such
accounts
 credibility when they fell under the rules of 3, 4 or 5 - when 3 or more
 survivors who didn't know each other named the same prominent person.

   Constantine cites a marriage between intel and satanic cults beginning
in
 the early 60's, as a trade-off:  protection of cult members from
prosecutions
 in exchange for info on mind-control techniques.  He wrote about this in
 "Psychcic Dictatorship" but his reference for this was only a speech given
by
 someone else.  More than one survivor believes the marriage occurred long
 before the early 60's.

   There is no hard evidence that I am aware of - as there rarely is where
 covert ops are concerned.  I take it as a given that there is a profound
 connection between the two, and proceed from there.  But so what?  It
hasn't
 helped me get anywhere with it.  If we had full accountability with
 Congressional oversight for each penny spent on covert ops, we might get
 somewhere.  But the inmates are still running the asylum.

 Samantha

 In a message dated 10/3/00 11:19:46 AM Central Daylight Time,
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  Hi -
 
   I'm curious what people think about occult belief systems operating
   within the intelligence community? The famous Aquino/satanism case has
   always interested me, that something so strange and twisted really
   happened. Also, I've often wondered if any of the occult Nazi beliefs
   operating during World War II perhaps bled over to America during
   Paperclip? (After all, didn't Aquino perform some weird satanic rite
   while visiting Germany?)
 
   Aside from the Aquino saga, I've only heard rumors and conspiracy
   theories involving Montauk, mind-control, and maybe Jack Parsons group
   at JPL during the 1960s. Is there any hard evidence that this is
   widespread, or is it the exception to the rule?
 
   thanks

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Re: [CTRL] Who Was Jesus?--A Roman Agent?

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 Interesting post, John.

 This reads to me, based on the style and use of language, like a piece
 of anti-SEMITIC disinformation, designed to discredit Judaism, not
 Christianity. Reminds me of the "Talmud Exposed" site that was shared
 with us not too long ago. I've emailed the link to some fellow
 researchers and I'm waiting to see if their impression jibes with mine.

 Tenorlove

After reading that article, you have to wonder at the competency of its
author, even to that of understanding, what one assume he or she would claim
to be his own bible, the Torah.

The first passages cited from the book of Deuteronomy, for example, have
naught to do with a "prophecy" of some specific future wicked prophet that
would arise from Israel, but simply refer to general guidance on the issue
of ALL false prophets. Yet, the manner the sentence is structured is so
designed in a manner to mislead the reader with the implication that the
texts refer SPECIFICALLY to Jesus.

Furthermore, none of the passage refer here to any such notion as the author
claims for example, "would have the power of miracles"  What in fact the
term "a sign or a wonder," in Ch 13:1, refers to is explained IN CONTEXT by
verse 2, "the sign or the wonder COME TO PASS" i.e. it specifically refers
to PROPHECY and NOT "the power of miracles," as is wrongly claimed.

This initial misleading, in my opinion, sets the tone for the rest of the
disinformation in the article.

Another example: The author claims, "1) Jesus repudiated the laws of kosher
food (Mark 7:18-19)."   Unfortunately for the wrirter of the article, Jesus
in fact, did no such thing.

The reference given is, (Mark 7:18-19), which in fact is oft misunderstood,
even by Christians, to suggest that Jesus made all "unclean" meats, "clean."
This in fact is not the case.

Here is the passage in a modern translation: "Food doesn't come in contact
with your heart, but only passes through the stomach and then comes out
again." (By saying this, he showed that every kind of food is acceptable.)"
New Living Translation of  Mark 7:19.

The words bracketed, are in brackets for a reason!

They DO NOT, in fact appear in the ORIGINAL biblical texts, and are inserted
there as a "guide," to the reader by the translators. So, in fact, Jesus
NEVER said "By saying this, he showed that every kind of food is
acceptable."

To add weight to this point, the Jew Peter, a Christian convert and a close
companion of Jesus, REFUSED to eat "UNCLEAN" meats, and this is described in
the book of Acts, written DECADES after the death of Jesus. Now one would
assume that Peter, a close comrade, would have clearly understood, Jesus'
teachings on "unclean" meats, yet MANY years after Jesus death, Peter says,
"Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean."
Acts 10:14   What Jesus spoke of was "spiritual defilement" of the heart and
mind, and not PHYSICAL "uncleanness."

I could go on a write a refutation for point by point, but i think you got
the drift of the article? I agree with Tenorlove, this is a biased
unscholarly piece of disinformation. Most likely posted by zealous Far Right
Extremists, who wish to paint ALL Jews as intolerant and bigoted and seeking
"to remain steadfast with all the traditions of the Law," which apparently
means KILLING all "false prophets" and death to all who do not worship there
unnameable"G-d."




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[CTRL] Fw: Homosexuality and the Nazi Party

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Homosexuality and the Nazi Party

by Scott Lively

Scott Lively is co-author of The Pink Swastika: Homosexuals and the Nazi 
Party (Keizer, Oregon: Founders Publishing Company, 1995). The Pink 
Swastika is not available through Leadership U., but is available by calling 
Jeremiah Films at 1-800-828-2290. 


The pink triangle, symbol of the "gay rights" movement, is familiar to many 
Americans. As the badge used by the Nazis to designate homosexuals in the 
concentration camps, the pink triangle perfectly expresses the message of "gay 
rights." That message is that homosexuals are currently and historically victims 
of irrational prejudice and that those who oppose homosexuality are hateful 
bigots. This all-important victim status engenders sympathy for the homosexual 
"cause" among well-meaning heterosexuals. Thus, millions of otherwise rational 
Americans support a movement whose sole unifying characteristic is a sexual 
lifestyle they personally find repugnant. 
When homosexuals display the pink triangle, they are equating all opposition 
to homosexuality with Nazism and themselves with the Jewish victims of the 
Holocaust. As pro-homosexual Rabbi Bernard Mehlman puts it, "Homophobia and 
Anti-Semitism are part of the same disease." This quote appeared in an 
advertisement in a homosexual newspaper. It announced the dedication ceremony of 
the New England Holocaust Memorial in Boston last year. An accompanying article 
reported that New England homosexuals had pledged $1 million to help build the 
memorial, including $50,000 for an initial monument consisting of six steel and 
glass towers. Alongside the monument is an inscription honoring homosexual 
victims of the Nazis. Another Holocaust memorial being prepared in New York City 
is expected to similarly honor homosexuals. Washington, D.C. is home to the 
official U.S. Holocaust Museum which not only maintains a pro-homosexual 
display, but also employs noted homosexual activist Klaus Mueller as a staff 
researcher. Other Holocaust related projects, such as the Anne Frank Exhibit now 
touring the United States, incorporate a similar message in their programs. 
While some homosexuals were interned in Nazi work camps, the role of 
homosexuals in Nazi history cannot be accurately represented solely by a pink 
triangle. Our review of more than 200 history texts written since the 1930s 
suggests that a pink swastika is equally representative, if not more 
so. For, ironically, while many homosexuals were persecuted by the Nazi party, 
there is no doubt that the Nazi party itself had many homosexuals within its own 
ranks, even among its highest leadership. 

The Homosexual Roots of the Nazi PartyThe "gay rights" movement often 
portrays itself as an American phenomenon which arose from the civil rights 
movement of the 1950s. It is not uncommon to hear homosexualists (those both 
"gay" and "straight" who promote the legitimization of homosexuality) 
characterize "gay rights" as the natural third wave of civil rights activism 
(following blacks and women). In reality, however, Germany was the birthplace of 
"gay rights," and its legacy in that nation is truly alarming. 
The "grandfather of gay rights" was a homosexual German lawyer named Karl 
Heinrich Ulrichs. Ulrichs had been molested at age 14 by his male riding 
instructor. Instead of attributing his adult homosexuality to the molestation, 
however, Ulrich devised in the 1860s what became known as the "third sex" theory 
of homosexuality. Ulrichs' model holds that male homosexuals are actually female 
souls trapped within male bodies. The reverse phenomenon supposedly explains 
lesbianism. Since homosexuality was an innate condition, reasoned Ulrichs, 
homosexual behavior should be decriminalized. An early follower of Ulrichs 
coined the term "homosexual" in an open letter to the Prussian Minister of 
Justice in 1869. 
By the time Ulrichs died in 1895, the "gay rights" movement in Germany had 
gained considerable strength. Frederich Engels noted this in a letter to Karl 
Marx regarding Ulrich's efforts: "The pederasts start counting their numbers and 
discover they are a powerful group in our state. The only thing missing is an 
organization, but it seems to exist already, but it is hidden." After Ulrichs' 
death, the movement split into two separate and opposed factions. One faction 
followed Ulrichs' successor, Magnus Hirschfeld, who formed the Scientific 
Humanitarian Committee in 1897 and later opened the Institute for Sex Research 
in Berlin. The other faction was organized by Adolf Brand, publisher of the 
first homosexual magazine, Der Eigene (The Special). Brand, Benedict 
Friedlander and Wilhelm Janzen formed the Gemeinschaft der Eigenen (The 
Community of the Special) in 1902. What divided these groups was their concepts 
of masculinity. Ulrichs' theory embraced a feminine identity. His, and later 
Hirschfeld's, followers literally believed they were women trapped in men's 
bodies. 
The 

[CTRL] CIA says Nazi general was intelligence source

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  CIA says Nazi general was intelligence 
source
  
Wednesday, 20 September 2000 
  20:28 (ET) 
  
CIA says Nazi general was intelligence source


 COLLEGE PARK, Md., Sept. 20 (UPI) -- The Central Intelligence Agency has
for the first time confirmed that a high-ranking Nazi general placed his
anti-Soviet spy ring at the disposal of the United States during the early
days of the Cold War.

 The National Archives said in a release Wednesday that the CIA had filed
an affidavit in U.S. District Court "acknowledging an intelligence
relationship with German General Reinhard Gehlen that it has kept secret for
50 years."

 "The CIA's announcement marks the first acknowledgement by that agency
that it had any relationship with Gehlen and opens the way for
declassification of records about the relationship," the National Archives
said.

 Gehlen was Hitler's senior intelligence officer on the Eastern Front
during the war and transferred his expertise and contacts to the U.S. as
World War II reached its climax. While Gehlen's relationship with U.S.
intelligence during the 1940s and 1950s has been the topic of some five
books over the years, the eventual release of CIA documents pertaining to
the development of his European spy ring could shed new light on the origins
of the Cold War and early U.S. espionage efforts against Moscow.

 Gehlen's network of agents in Europe - including many with Nazi
backgrounds who were bailed out of prisoner of war camps by U.S.
intelligence officers - was known as the Gehlen Organization and received
millions of dollars in funding from the U.S. until 1956.

 The CIA's acknowledgement of its dealings with Gehlen came in a response
to an appeal of a Freedom of Information Act request by researcher Carl
Oglesby, the National Archives said. The agency pledged to release its
records on the general in accordance with the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure
Act.

 The Act established the Nazi War Criminal Records Interagency Working
Group (IWG), which for more than two years has been declassifying documents
related to World War II war crimes and releasing them through the National
Archives.

 "This shows that the law is working," said former Rep. Elizabeth Holtzman,
a member of the IWG. "We now must work closely with the Agency to follow
through with the release of these records."
--
Copyright 2000 by United Press International.
All rights reserved.

Re: [CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint - Nonsense of Willie

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- Original Message -
From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint - Nonsense of
Achyara S and S...


 -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 9/24/00 9:04:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


OH DEARY ME! Poor old WILLIE is a tad ruffled again! But then, that tends to
happen to the mentally incarcerated in their own shallow and blind dogma. So
once again, we ask poor old doddering WILLIE, where exactly are his
refutations of previous rebuttals to the outright and outlandish LIES of his
spiritual guru Achyara ?  NOWHERE to be seen, just more conceited Willie
rhetoric, lets have a further read below.

And why has Willie so long played the pseudo liberal ere this, and not had
the courage to reveal his hidden Gnostic agenda here?


  All it really shows, and all she really knows, is how to disseminate
lies
  and disinfo to the subject illiterate cultists, and ill-informed bigots
like
  you Shannon. 

 She simply and effectively shows that the inspiration for your particular
 cult, one Jesus Christ, was a fabrication based upon older myths and
 fables...that's all.
 Her site www.truthbeknown.com speaks for itself and will easily counter
your
 hysterical ravings.

Willie, your worshipful spiritual phoney fakir, only effectively
demonstrates that she is a liar, or at best completely ignorant of the
historic facts and evidence.

She also confuses, as but one example, historically State sponsored
terrorism via the Vatican, with the teachings of the Bible and Jesus Christ,
the twain are a universe apart. No one that is supposedly as intelligent as
she boasts and professes to be, could be THAT ignorant and not be able to
distinguish between the
two, yet she constantly confuses and muddles both by her deliberate
obfuscations. Hence, I say that your guru is a more likely a deliberate
disinfo agent.

The Papacy in fact burnt, destroyed and sought to eradicate the very
manifesto of true Christianity - the Bible. Your guru is highly confused at
best.  In the same manner, your holy guru does the work of the Vatican, but
merely employs more subtle methods and lies to do so - are you so blind to
this Willie?

Why would the Vatican wish to eradicate the authority of the Bible Willie?
Why would these neo-Gnostics with their inherent Gnostic Jew hate do the
Vatican's work?  Have you ever studied the TRUE tenets of Gnosticism Willie?
Have you ever considered why many of such adepts praise the Nazis as did the
Vatican align itself with Nazi Germany?  Have you ever looked at the
similarity in doctrine to these neo-Gnostic New Agers and the third Reich
Willie?  As much as you THINK you know Willie, there is a lot you are
completely ignorant of.


 Cleary, when examined against the evidence, her work is one of pure
 dis-information and has more to with raking in the hard earned savings of
 gullible fools who require on-going stimulation for their ridiculous fear
of
 life and the world as a whole.

 Actually the people raking in the "hard-earned savings" of the gullible
are
 those who call themselves churches and have preyed upon human weakness and
 insecurity for millenia.


Agreed, and this is true in many cases, but not in all and every case. It is
however undoubtedly the case with reference to your sacred cow guru whom you
blindly worship, not even being fully cognizant of what is being peddled
Willie. In fact, you are completely out of your league here Willie. You got
conned, and conned good wee Willie, better than by any slick
Tele-Evangelist, because like the gullible churchocrats, your guru merely
appeals to your own particular paranoid style of superstition. You really
should check into this stuff, honestly - it's not as harmless, nor
"liberating" as they like to sell you.



 As I said, and now Shannon confirms, the author of this piece of
charlatanry
 is merely out to rake in the bucks any way she can with her ridiculous and
 grandiose FICTIONS, because fiction in today's world, most oft sells
best.

 With the bible being the king of all fictions and the greatest con-job in
 history.


This is clearly a complete falsehood. How anyone could be so unsophisticated
and prattle such unhistorical garbage in the modern world is
incomprehensible. You ought to examine some of the links and references I
supplied to familiarise yourself with the facts rather than relying on
invalidated data from long dead and ill-informed sceptics and conspiracy
theory nutters wishing to sell books and attempt make a name for themselves.

Such invariably are given over to their egomania and will say and print any
kind of worthless and demented froth to satiate their weak egos. I can't
believe you are as dumb as that not to have seen through her bunkum.



 You seem extremely ruffled
 that someone dared to question one of your sacred cows, and expose your
guru
 for the fraud she is. 

 LOL!! 

[CTRL] Unleashing `Mini-Nukes' Will Bring Dire Consequences

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Unleashing `Mini-Nukes' Will 
Bring 
Dire 
Consequences 
Martin Butcher, Theresa Hitchens 
 
 
Thursday, September 21, 2000 
 
SOME U.S. LEADERS are toying with an idea 
for 
a new nuclear bomb that could have 
turned 
NATO's campaign in Kosovo into a nuclear 
war. 
For more than 50 years, there has been a 
taboo 
against unleashing the terrible power of the atom 
in 
war, but some in the U.S. nuclear 
weapons 
establishment and their political allies now envision 
a 
world where nuclear combat could become 
almost 
a commonplace event. 
 
Sound crazy? Unfortunately, it's true. 
 
Top Senate Republicans already have 
pushed 
through a measure that will allow U.S. 
weapons 
labs to begin studies on a so-called 
``mini-nuke,'' 
intended not to deter a potential enemy but for 
use 
in small, regional wars. The measure is expected 
to 
pass when Congress debates the defense budget 
bill 
later this month. And even though the Pentagon 
says 
it ``has no requirement'' for such a new weapon, 
no 
one in President Clinton's lame-duck 
administration 
is expected to take on the issue. 
 
Sens. John Warner, R-Va., and Wayne 
Allard, 
R-Colo., ensured that the Senate version of 
the 
Defense Authorization Bill for fiscal year 
2001 
contains a provision to allow initial 
development 
studies on a nuclear weapon with an explosive 
yield 
of less than five kilotons. The senators acted 
in 
answer to an Air Force request for permis sion 
to 
explore creation of an earth-burrowing 
nuclear 
warhead that could be used in regional wars, 
such 
as the Gulf War or Kosovo, to 
destroy 
underground bunkers. 
 
The aim would be to kill national leaders such 
as 
Saddam Hussein or Slobodan Milosevic, or 
to 
destroy stocks of biological/chemical weapons 
held 
by so-called ``rogue'' states. The thinking 
-- 
detailed in a recent paper, ``Nuclear Weapons 
in 
the 21st Century'' by Stephen Younger, 
associate 
director for nuclear weapons at Los 
Alamos 
National Laboratory -- is that such bunkers 
are 
often in urban areas, where use of a 
``normal'' 
nuclear weapon would cause unacceptable 
damage 
and casualties to the civilian population. 
A 
``mini-nuke,'' proponents argue, would be a 
sure 
way of killing a dictator, or wiping out stockpiles 
of 
chemical and biological weapons, with little or 
no 
release of those agents into the environment. 
 
Obviously, the development and deployment of 
a 
weapon with a relatively small explosive yield -- 
the 
Hiroshima bomb, regarded today as tiny, was a 
15 
kiloton weapon -- would be extremely 
dangerous, 
precisely because the military would regard it 
as 
``usable.'' The negative political ramifications 
of 
launching a nuclear war apparently go unheeded 
by 
Younger and others promoting such a new 
weapon. 
It is also absurd to assert that such a weapon 
could 
be employed without en dangering civilians. 
A 
mini-nuke dropped on San Francisco might 
only 
destroy Twin Peaks, not the entire city. But, even 
a 
small nuclear weapon would kill thousands 
of 
people and bring appalling suffering to 
thousands 
more victims of burns, radiation sickness, 
blindness 
and other injuries. Eventually, thousands 
more 
would suffer as the result of genetic deformities 
-- 
exactly as has happened in Hiroshima 
and 
Nagasaki. 
 
And even with today's precision weapons, 
accurate 
delivery cannot be ensured. The accidental 
bombing 
of the Chinese embassy during NATO's Kosovo 
air 
war is a case in point. 
 
War aside, a number of immediate 
negative 
consequences can be expected if the United 
States 
pursues ``mini-nukes.'' 
 
In the near term, nuclear weapons design 
and 
development activity at Department of Energy 
labs 
would be intensified. Eventually, there would 
be 
strong pressure to resume nuclear testing, as 
the 
weapon scientists seek to prove to the military 
that 
their new designs work. This would wreck 
the 
Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, already 
weakened 
by its rejection by the Senate last year. In fact, 
there 
already is strong pressure from the U.S. 
nuclear 
labs, and members of Congress such as 
Sen. 
Allard, to abandon the test ban treaty and the 
U.S. 
moratorium on nuclear testing. The United 
States' 
move to develop mini-nukes has the potential 
to 
spur proliferation. The refusal of 
the 
``nuclear-haves'' to live up to obligations under 
the 
Non- Proliferation Treaty to pursue 
nuclear 
disarmament already has piqued India and 
Pakistan 
to acquire nuclear capability. 
 
How can the world take seriously 
Washington's 
pledge, made during the May 
Non-Proliferation 
Treaty 2000 Review Conference, to make 
an 
``unequivocal undertaking'' to work 
toward 
eliminating nuclear weapons, when at the same 
time 
U.S. officials are promoting new, more 
usable 
bombs? 
 
Moreover, the United States has signed 
so-called 
negative security assurances -- promising not 
to 
launch a nuclear attack on non-nuclear 
countries. 
Doesn't the development of a 

Re: [CTRL] CIA says Nazi (added:VATICAN/NAZIS/CIA)

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From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] CIA says Nazi general was intelligence source


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 [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes:
 
 
 The National Archives said in a release Wednesday that the CIA had filed
 an affidavit in U.S. District Court "acknowledging an intelligence
 relationship with German General Reinhard Gehlen that it has kept secret
 for
 50 years."



 (1.) If that's what they did 60 years ago that they're telling us about
 now, what are they doing now that they will tell us 60 years from now?

True! Then again, secrets are pretty hard to keep for too long. Information
gets out, the problem is discernment in sifting fact from disinfo.


 (2.) For more of the Gehlen story read a book that came out in 1972 called
 "The General Was a Spy" by Heinz Hohne and Herman Zolling.


The following may aslo be of interest to you?


"The Catholic Right and the Knights of Malta, in particular Baron Franz von
Papen (see sidebar), played a critical role in Hitler's assumption of power
and the launching of the Third Reich's Twentieth Century Crusade."





From . COVERT ACTION INFORMATION BULLETIN

Issue title: SPECIAL: NAZIS, THE VATICAN, AND CIA

WINTER 1986 Number 25

Pages 27-38

[1 of 4 ... 27-29]

KNIGHTS OF DARKNESS

THE SOVEREIGN MILITARY ORDER OF MALTA

INTRODUCTION

The Sovereign Military and Hospitaler Order of St. John of Jerusalem of
Rhodes and of Malta, known also as the Sovereign Military Order of Malta, or
SMOM, is juridically, politically, and historically unique in the world
today.

Representing initially the most powerful and reactionary segments of the
European aristocracy, for nearly a thousand years beginning with the early
crusades of the Twelfth Century, it has organized, funded, and led military
operations against states and ideas deemed threatening to its power. It is
probably safe to say that the several thousand Knights of SMOM, principally
in Europe, North, Central, and South America, comprise the largest most
consistently powerful and reactionary membership of any organization in the
world today.

Although an exclusively [Roman] Catholic organization, in this century it
has collaborated with, and given high awards to non-Catholic extremists in
its current crusade against progressive forces in the West, the national
liberation movements, and the socialist countries.

To be a Knight, one must not only be from wealthy, aristocratic lineage, one
must also have a psychological worldview which is attracted to the "crusader
mentality'' of these "warrior monks." Participating in SMOM Ñ including its
initiation ceremonies and feudal ritual dress Ñ members embrace a certain
caste/class mentality; they are sociologically and psychologically
predisposed to function as the ''shock troops" of Catholic reaction. And
this is precisely the historical role the Knights have played in the wars
against Islam, against the Protestant "heresy,'' and against the Soviet
''Evil Empire."

The Catholic Right and the Knights of Malta, in particular Baron Franz von
Papen (see sidebar), played a critical role in Hitler's assumption of power
and the launching of the Third Reich's Twentieth Century Crusade.

SMOM's influence in Germany survived World War II intact. On November 17,
1948 SMOM awarded one of its highest honors, the Grand Cross of Merit, to
Reinhard Gehlen, the Nazi chief of intelligence on the Soviet front. He was
subsequently installed by the Americans as the first chief of West Germany's
equivalent of the CIA, the Bundesnachtrichtdienst (BND: federal secret
service), under West German Chancellor Adenauer, a devout Catholic who had
received the Magistral Grand Cross personally from SMOM Grand Master Prince
Chigi.

After the appointment of Knight of Malta William Casey as head of the
Central Intelligence Agency, and another Knight, James Buckley, as head ot
U.S. propaganda against Eastern Europe at Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty,
several historians noted with interest President Reagan's call during the
summer of 1982 for a "crusade" against the "Evil Empire" in Eastern Europe.

[ including Balkans .. JP ]

In addition to Casey, and James Buckley, its current members, or Knights,
after the feudal fashion, include Lee Iacocca, John McCone, William Buckley,
Alexander Haig, Alexandre de Marenches (the chief of French Intelligence
under Giscard d'Estaing, himself a Knight of SMOM), Otto von Hapsburg, and
various leaders of the fascist P-2 Masonic lodge in Italy. While its
organizational funding is relatively modest, its leverage is maximized by
the presence of its Knights in key positions in other private and
governmental structures throughout the world.

FRANZ von PAPEN

A leading figure in Hitler's coming to power was SMOM Franz von Papen, known
as "the devil in a top 

[CTRL] Solar Travel!

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In sum, interstellar travel seems entirely possible for mankind, either by 
staying aboard Spaceship Earth (and, perhaps, future terraformed planets 
like Mars and Venus) OR following the construction of a "Class C" stellar 
engine. Full Story:http://www.astronomytoday.com/exploration/solartravel.html

[CTRL] Saddam sells UN drugs on black market

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September 24, 
2000 
Saddam sells UN drugs on black 
market 
By Christina LambCHILDREN'S medicines sent to Iraq by a British 
pharmaceutical companyunder a United Nations programme are being smuggled 
out of the country andsold on the black market in Lebanon to fund the lavish 
tastes of SaddamHussein. Glaxo-Wellcome has made official 
complaints to the Foreign Office and tothe UN which oversees the Oil for 
Food Programme. This allows Baghdad tosell limited quantities of oil to buy 
vital humanitarian supplies forchildren, the sick and elderly. 
The UN Security Council set strict controls to ensure that the 
medicineswent to civilians and not the regime. But a spokesman for 
Glaxo-Wellcometold The Telegraph that the company has so far traced 15,000 
units ofVentolin, part of a consignment of asthma medicine shipped to 
Iraq,circulating on the black market in Beirut. The medicines 
had been transported to Lebanon using vehicles belonging toIraq's ministry 
of transport. This indicates that the smuggling is beingmasterminded at the 
highest levels and undermines Saddam's claims thatpeople are dying in Iraq 
because of shortages caused by the trade embargoimposed in 1991 after the 
invasion of Kuwait. However, with the Iraqidictator still firmly in power 
despite a decade of sanctions, Britain andAmerica are increasingly isolated 
as they continue to insist on theembargo. A Foreign Office official 
acknowledged: "Sanctions are clearlynot working but they are desperately 
clinging on because no one knows whatelse to do." Saddam is 
using the supposed shortages as a propaganda tool, showingpictures of sick 
children and blaming the West for his people's sufferingwhen his regime is 
actually smuggling out medicines that it does receive.The Ventolin is 
thought to be just a fraction of the UN- approved Westernmedicines illegally 
sold on by Saddam's lieutenants in a scheme run by hisson Uday. The Iraqi 
opposition estimate that millions of pounds are beingraised in this way and 
used to finance Saddam's regime and the activitiesof his intelligence 
services as they step up their work in London andother European 
capitals. Glaxo-Wellcome has launched a campaign to warn 
pharmacists in Lebanon andother Arab states not to sell the smuggled goods. 
The company is concernedabout the safety implications of prescription drugs 
being sold over thecounter as well as being undercut in markets to which it 
already exports.Last week the Lebanese authorities arrested a number of 
those involved inselling them. "Obviously this is a worrying 
development," said an official at the UNprogramme office for Iraq. A recent 
report by the office to the SecurityCouncil projected oil revenues for Iraq 
from December 1999 to June 2000 at£6 billion, which should be spent on 
health and food, and complained thatmedicines worth £180 million were still 
lying in Iraqi warehouses and hadnot been distributed. 
However, there is now increasing pressure to end sanctions both in 
theArab world and beyond. Iraqi trade with Syria, Egypt and some 
Gulfcountries has been increasing, as has support for an end to the 
embargo,and there have been several reports of oil being smuggled through 
Turkeyand the UAE. Last week Saddam's regime celebrated the 
arrival of a Russian flight atthe newly-reopened Baghdad international 
airport and Aeroflot executivesare awaiting Kremlin approval for the 
resumption of what will be the firstregular commercial flights since the 
Gulf war. Passengers on last week'sflight included oil executives interested 
in making deals with Iraq. On Friday, a French plane flew from 
Paris to Baghdad, carrying doctors,athletes and artists defying a request 
from the UN committee that upholdsthe sanctions regime against Iraq. The 
sanctions committee was informedonly on Thursday night of the Friday morning 
flight and France refused arequest to delay the flight for 12 hours so that 
the issue could bestudied. Welcoming the flight at Baghdad, Hussein Saeed, 
an Iraqi Olympiccommittee official, said the French had taken "a big 
initiative inbreaking the embargo". At the same time, boosted 
by record oil prices and the protests in Britainand across Europe over high 
fuel costs, Saddam has begun an intensivelobbying campaign to weaken the 
sanction regime. His efforts already seemto be having some effect. Hugo 
Chavez, Venezuela's new president, recentlymade a trip to Baghdad, the first 
elected head of state to visit since theGulf war. Known for his 
anti-American rhetoric, President Chavez claimedhis visit was necessary 
because Venezuela currently holds the presidencyof the Organisation of 
Petroleum Exporting Countries and suggested it wastime to end Iraq's 
isolation. http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac3511677918707rtmo=xA8YxMatmo=tdpg=t/00/9/24/wdrug24.html

[CTRL] Scientist 'killed Amazon indians to test race theory'

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Scientist 'killed Amazon indians to test race theory'

Geneticist accused of letting thousands die in rainforest

Paul Brown, Environment correspondent
Saturday September 23, 2000

Thousands of South American indians were infected with measles, killing
hundreds, in order to for US scientists to study the effects on primitive
societies of natural selection, according to a book out next month.

The astonishing story of genetic research on humans, which took 10 years to
uncover, is likely to shake the world of anthropology to its core, according
to
Professor Terry Turner of Cornell University, who has read the proofs.

"In its scale, ramifications, and sheer criminality and corruption it is
unparalleled in the history of anthropology," Prof Turner says in a warning
letter to Louise Lamphere, the president of the American Anthropology
Association (AAA).

The book accuses James Neel, the geneticist who headed a long-term
project to study the Yanomami people of Venezuela in the mid-60s, of using a
virulent measles vaccine to spark off an epidemic which killed hundreds and
probably thousands.

Once the epidemic was under way, according to the book, the research team
"refused to provide any medical assistance to the sick and dying Yanomami,
on explicit order from Neel. He insisted to his colleagues that they were
only there to observe and record the epidemic, and that they must stick
strictly to their roles as scientists, not provide medical help".

The book, Darkness in El Dorado by the investigative journalist Patrick
Tierney, is due to be published on October 1. Prof Turner, whose letter was
co-signed by fellow anthropologist Leslie Sponsel of the University of
Hawaii,
was trying to warn the AAA of the impending scandal so the profession could
defend itself.

Although Neel died last February, many of his associates, some of them
authors of classic anthropology texts, are still alive.

The accusations will be the main focus of the AAA's AGM in November, when
the surviving scientists have been invited to defend their work. None have
commented publicly, but they are asking colleagues to come to their
defence.

One of the most controversial aspects of the research which allegedly
culminated in the epidemic is that it was funded by the US atomic energy
commission, which was anxious to discover what might happen to
communities when large numbers were wiped out by nuclear war.

While there is no "smoking gun" in the form of texts or recorded speeches by
Neel explaining his conduct, Prof Turner believes the only explanation is
that
he was trying to test controversial eugenic theories like the Nazi scientist
Josef Mengele.

He quotes another anthropologist who read the manuscript as saying: "Mr.
Tierney's analysis is a case study of the dangers in science of the
uncontrolled ego, of lack of respect for life, and of greed and
self-indulgence. It is a further extraordinary revelation of malicious and
perverted work conducted under the aegis of the atomic energy commission."

Prof Turner says Neel and his group used a virulent vaccine called
Edmonson B on the Yanomani, which was known to produce symptoms virtually
indistinguishable from cases of measles.

"Medical experts, when informed that Neel and his group used the vaccine in
question on the Yanomami, typically refuse to believe it at first, then say
that
it is incredible that they could have done it, and are at a loss to explain
why
they would have chosen such an inappropriate and dangerous vaccine," he
writes.

"There is no record that Neel sought any medical advice before applying the
vaccine. He never informed the appropriate organs of the Venezuelan
government that his group was planning to carry out a vaccination campaign,
as he was
legally required to do.

Fatalities


"Neither he nor any other member of the expedition has ever explained why
that vaccine was used, despite the evidence that it actually caused or, at a
minimum, greatly exacerbated the fatal epidemic."

Prof Turner says that Neel held the view that "natural" human society, as
seen before the advent of large-scale agriculture, consists of small,
genetically isolated groups in which dominant genes - specifically a gene he
believed existed for "leadership" or "innate ability" - have a selective
advantage.

In such an environment, male carriers of this gene would gain access to a
disproportionate number of females, reproducing their genes more frequently
than less "innately able" males. The result would supposedly be a continual
upgrading of the human genetic stock.

He says Neel believed that in modern societies "superior leadership genes
would be swamped by mass genetic mediocrity".

"The political implication of this fascistic eugenics is clearly that
society should be reorganised into small breeding isolates in which
genetically superior males could emerge into dominance, eliminating or
subordinating the male losers in the competition for leadership and women,
and amassing harems 

Re: [CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint - Nonsense of Achyara S and Shannons propoganda

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- Original Message -
From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 3:18 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint - Nonsense of
Achyara S and W...


 -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 9/22/00 1:29:15 AM Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

   In a section from Achyara S
  titled "Emails I Have Loved," we have the enlightened Achyara S devotees
  express both theirs and Achyara's disgust of  ". the foaming-at-the-mouth
  Jews ."  

 Actually a close reading of that section shows that  many people have
 benefitted from her book and are simply thankful that she had the courage
to
 stand up to people like you and release it knowing damned well that she'd
be
 attacked.

All it really shows, and all she really knows, is how to disseminate lies
and disinfo to the subject illiterate cultists, and ill-informed bigots like
you Shannon. Such is not any form of "courage," but rather, cowardice. She
cleverly perceived and targeted a BIG MARKET for disillusioned paranoiacs a
la dotty cry-baby's and losers like you Bill, and merely pandered to their
infantile nervous tremors of such, who also constantly attempt to find an
outlet to expunge their societal rage, as well as to scapegoat that which
they both loath, fear and cannot comprehend.

Cleary, when examined against the evidence, her work is one of pure
dis-information and has more to with raking in the hard earned savings of
gullible fools who require on-going stimulation for their ridiculous fear of
life and the world as a whole. If any of you wish to see just how WRONG
these hacks are in stating simple facts for example, read my initial
response to dilly Billy. He addressed NOT ONE point, but like a blind and
bigoted mouth-piece for his guru, he immediately resorted to personal
vilification.


 It's also interesting that this book which you deem unworthy has been in
 AMAZON's top 10,000 since it's release, out of 4.7 MILLION titles, and
this
 with very little advertising...

As I said, and now Shannon confirms, the author of this piece of charlatanry
is merely out to rake in the bucks any way she can with her ridiculous and
grandiose FICTIONS, because fiction in today's world, most oft sells best.
Simply sprinkle it with"conspiracy," add a dash of Jew hate, candy-coat with
esoteric mumbo jumbo "truth," pander to fear and prejudice, channel a few
spirits, ghosts, and "entities,"  voila! Your basic recipe for your typical
neo-Gnostic,  New Age, Far Right and wannabe-Nazi BEST SELLER!



 It's curious that you are so interested in silencing Acharya, you must be
 afraid of something! For you to resort to libel and slander there must be
a
 there there!

You must be living on another planet Shannon, the only one that has
exhibited any fear is your poohed pants self. You seem extremely ruffled
that someone dared to question one of your sacred cows, and expose your guru
for the fraud she is. The only libel and slander has come form your
direction, against simple facts, and logic (something you do not possess),
in the refutation of her misologist rants, when you cannot demonstrate by
rational argument any of her lies. You are a bigot, and are one of the most
profoundly blind religionist bigots I have yet come across.


 For anyone interested in what scares this fellow so much I suggest a trip
to h
 ttp://www.truthbeknown.com/christcon.htm

 Bill.


For those that are interested in sound refutation of Shannon's guru's
nonsense above, which Shannon has fallen for hook-line-and sinker, Bookmark
the following, and have a casual peruse as you find time, they are very
informative, and give a balanced appraisal without the extreme bias and oft
outlandish lies promulgated by arch mythmakers like Shannon and et al.

http://www.cet.com/~dlavoie/solo.christo/theology/Bible.html

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/hway.html

http://www.carm.org/objections.htm

http://www.watchman.org/slipslop.htm

http://www.tektonics.org/

http://www.christiananswers.net/

http://probe.org/index.html


Suggested reading written by serious scholars and researchers:

The Historical Reliability of the Gospels
by Craig L. Blomberg

The Historical Jesus : Ancient Evidence for the Life of Christ
by Gary R. Habermas

Jesus Under Fire
by Michael J. Wilkins (Editor), James Porter Moreland

Reasonable Faith : Christian Truth and Apologetics
by William Lane Craig

Christian Apologetics
by Norman L. Geisler

The Gospel and the Greeks : Did the New Testament Borrow from Pagan Thought?
by Ronald H. Nash

Archaeology and the New Testament
by John McRay






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[CTRL] Is Willie SHANNON utterly deranged?

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On Friday I received (below) the following deranged 
lunatics unsolicited SPAM in my very PRIVATE e-mail box - and thence had a great 
LMAO whilst ROTFL!!!

You are a damn psychofruit loop 
SHANNON!!!

But please don't let us be a cause for the 
suppression of your latent homosexual urges Billy, nor your psychopathic 
rants!!! 

HA! HA! HA! LOL! What a 
sociopathic fruitcake!



- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint - Nonsense of 
Achyara S an
 It's young Jimmy right?  Thought 
so...another Gay Nazi 4 Jeezushow is your queer leader  
lately??  And Jimmy boy, at a mere 22 don't ye' have anything 
better to do with your  time? Like chasing chicks??? Ooops, I 
forgot... sorry lil' queenie!  Get a grip 
girly-wuss...THEN get a clue!  Looking forward to your next 
forward...er I mean original thought! LMFAO   
Bill. 

Re: [CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint - Nonsense of Achyara S and W Shannon

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- Original Message -
From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint - Nonsense of
Icke - the "Chr...


 -Caveat Lector-

 For those of you who wish to actually study the subject, rather than
 listening to the deranged ranting of an obviously disturbed person,
 check out Acharya's "Christ Conspiracy" links

 Bill.


For those of you that are of sane, sober and balanced of mind, rather than
gobble up every piece of spurious conspiratorial drivel that the uncritical
paranoid likes of pseudo-liberal Shannon prattle, and bombard us with here
when he cannot of himself substantiate any of his baloney by what we would
normally consider as evidence, facts and truth.

Thus, you may wish to obtain a second opinion about historic Christianity
and the genuine records of the personage of Christ available. Even
secularist orientated Time Magazine, ran an article on Jesus and the New
Testament not too many years ago. Originally, Time approached the topic with
a sceptics gaze to debunk the NT, but were in the end stunned and amazed
with the irrefutable abundance of evidence available, ". existing copies of
the New Testament are far older and more numerous than those of any other
ancient body of literature ." (Richard Ostling, "Who Was Jesus?" TIME,
August 15, 1988, p. 37.)

Shannon's guru, Achyara S of course, is beyond the capacity for rational
presentation of pure facts, as she relishes hallucinations whilst she
communes with weird "entities" for her style of "truth". Such vixens vexed
with her inherent Gnostic obsessive conspiratorial "Grand Delusion"
religion, a superstition and extremism which blends its voice with the
so-called "spiritual" Aryans and their politico pretexts which essentially
undergird their political agenda for the neo-Gnostic Reich. To this, myopic
Shannon appears completely blind and oblivious to the inherint political
nuances of this style of author, and their actual wannabe-Nazi agenda,
hidden behind the facade of "Researcher."

Typical of the site Shannon listed, is the customary ancient religious and
modern New Age, neo-Gnostic hatred of the Jews.  In a section from Achyara S
titled "Emails I Have Loved," we have the enlightened Achyara S devotees
express both theirs and Achyara's disgust of  ". the foaming-at-the-mouth
Jews ." and  ". the Jewish crap." In her hatred of things Jewish she further
believes ". murder is against murdering "your neighbor," i.e., another Jew
...," in other words, the implication is that Achyara S believes that Jews
imagine it is quite acceptable to murder, so long as the victims are
non-Jews. These are the type of kooks Shannon peddles as his authorities
alongside on what he myopically imagines to be "Christianity."

The lunatic and self-attested "son of god," David Icke is another Shannon
incessantly bends the knee to, and invokes with superstitious awe. It's
clear that Shannon has little ability for critical thought or discernment,
much like these foolish authors he repetitiously espouses with tedium.

In addition, the site Shannon recommends as espousing some form of "truth,"
is riddled with the usual antiquated bunkum of a worldwide Jewish
Conspiracy, the customary guise for anti-Semitism. Achyara's  hatred of, and
inane frothing at Christianity is no less than that of her hatred of Jews,
as she resorts to regurgitation of outdated jibes of long dead sceptics and
bigots, many of whose names when mentioned, even well-informed modern
sceptics themselves grow red-faced over!

That aside and said, below are a few sites and books which answer the many
lies of liars like Achyara S, and her mindless mouth-pieces like dear old
Achyara S besotted William Shannon, who only ever entertains an original
thought when it is someone else's.

Bookmark the following, and have a casual peruse as you find time, they are
very informative, and give a balanced appraisal without the extreme bias and
oft outlandish lies promulgated by arch mythmakers like Shannon and et al.

http://www.cet.com/~dlavoie/solo.christo/theology/Bible.html

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/hway.html

http://www.carm.org/objections.htm

http://www.watchman.org/slipslop.htm

http://www.tektonics.org/

http://www.christiananswers.net/

http://probe.org/index.html


Suggested reading written by serious scholars and researchers:

The Historical Reliability of the Gospels
by Craig L. Blomberg

The Historical Jesus : Ancient Evidence for the Life of Christ
by Gary R. Habermas

Jesus Under Fire
by Michael J. Wilkins (Editor), James Porter Moreland

Reasonable Faith : Christian Truth and Apologetics
by William Lane Craig

Christian Apologetics
by Norman L. Geisler

The Gospel and the Greeks : Did the New Testament Borrow from Pagan Thought?
by Ronald H. Nash

Archaeology and the New Testament
by John McRay



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[CTRL] Future Chips!!!!

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Thursday, 21 September 2000Future chips"I'm nobody! Who are 
you?" asked the poet Emily Dickinson.Emily died in 1886 but only 
recently has the technology developed that couldadequately address her 
concerns. Better late than never, we say.For the last few years, 
computer scientists have been experimenting withchip implants that would 
render it impossible for you to be a nobody.Researchers now say it is 
possible to implant a dime-sized computer chipunder your collarbone, which 
would abort any possibility of an identitycrisis.The chip could 
record volumes of information - your name and address, yournearest relatives 
and their telephone numbers, your bank and credit cardnumbers, your blood 
pressure, heart rate, temperature and any medicationsyou may be 
taking.There even are rumors that chips can be used to control the 
behavior ofviolent inmates in the prison system. Forget about Valium. Forget 
Ritalin.Forget Thorazine. Instead, sedate an inmate long enough to implant a 
chipsomewhere on his body, then send signals to the chip to control 
differentparts of the brain. A particularly dangerous inmate could be kept 
drowsy all day long.Some of this, we grant you, remains pure 
speculation, but much of it is already here. In England, an adventurous 
cybernetics professor - yes, we know the word is strange to a poet born in 
1830 - had a silicon chip implanted above his left elbow. Using radio waves, 
the chip communicated with computers. The computers, in turn, sent messages 
to other machines that turned on lights, opened doors and even hailed him 
with a sprightly "Hello!" as he moved from room to room at the University of 
Reading. Kevin Warwick, the professor, said he felt "bereaved" 
when the chip wasremoved after nine days. He also said his experiment was 
just the beginning.Next he will get a new chip implant "and this one will 
send signals back andforth between my nervous system and a 
computer."These experiments seem whimsical on one level, and yet they 
carry profoundimplications, especially for individuals suffering from severe 
spinalinjuries. Is it possible that a computer chip can be implanted in 
aquardraplegic and that communication between the chip and the brain 
canreverse a crippling injury? There is a temptation to think of 
suchpossibilities as farfetched, and yet 25 years ago - when the advanced 
chiptechnology we know today was not available - scientists at the 
University ofUtah had already shown that similar brain and nerve stimulation 
could allowblind individuals to see tiny specks of light.Next month, 
one company plans to unveil a new product called a "DigitalAngel," which 
will enable parents to keep track of their toddlers and allowadults to keep 
track of elderly parents who may be suffering from 
AlzheimersDisease.The new chips function a little like a Global 
Positioning System butcommunicate with computers rather than an orbiting 
satellite. Some of thesechips reportedly are already being used in Italy by 
wealthy families who areworried about being kidnapped.Clearly, the 
chip implants offer extraordinary possiblities in the world ofbiomedical 
engineering, but there are other implications -privacy issues,behavior 
control questions, and others - that will have to be addressedeventually. 
One of those questions may go well beyond Emily's, "Who are 
you?"Warwick, thinking about the astonishing possibilities of chip 
implants, sums it up this way: "I was born human. But this was an accident 
of fate - a condition merely of time and place. I believe it's something we 
have the power to change." Think about that one. Someday you 
could be an eggplant.http://www.azstarnet.com/public/dnews/000921editimplant.html

[CTRL] Is a headless human possible?

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Is a headless human possible?September 18 2000 at 
09:45AMPeople can obviously live with missing arms, legs, kidney, lung, 
gall bladder, eyes, ears, nose, and much more. But wouldn't a headless human 
be impossible? If you think so, you haven't been tracking the 
breathtaking breakthroughs of genetic engineering, where cloning of Dolly 
the sheep and creation of a headless frog embryo prompted Dr Patrick Dixon, 
author of The Genetic Revolution, to forecast cloned colonies of headless 
humans kept as spare part factories in the future. Given its 
technical feasibility, there will be enormous economic pressurefor this to 
happen, Dixon told the British Press Association. It willprobably occur in 
countries where there is little or no gene legislation.Already the world 
has "Miracle Mike", the headless chicken of the 1940s, as an example. 
Earmarked for supper, the Colorado rooster met a bizarre fate when a poorly 
aimed hatchet took off his head but left neck and brain stem intact - enough 
to keep Mike's body strutting about for a couple of years, fed via an 
eyedropper through the open hole of his oesophagus. Life magazine 
ran a photo of him amidst his barnyard brethren, captioned:"Chickens do not 
avoid Mike who, however, has shown no tendency to mate."http://www.iol.co.za/html/frame_news.php?click_id=187art_id=iol969263138160S365

Re: [CTRL] Fw: St. John's Wort as Effective as Antidepressant Drug 9/17/00

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From: "Amelia" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 1:54 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Fw: St. John's Wort as Effective as Antidepressant Drug
9/17/00
 How does this tie into conspiracies?

Frankly, I don't think it does in terms of any "conspiracy" that i know of -
although many 'Conspiracy Theorists' are extremely DEPRESSIVE personalities
(ggg)!

Major pharmaceutical companies are attempting to prevent
 free access to alternatives to their products.

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but looking on my common supermarket shelves, St Johns
Wort is readily available for purchase, and some of it is bottled and
marketed by well-to-do and known pharmaceutical companies.

One I think ought be at least a tad cautious in this day and age, particular
those addicted to, or imbibing heavy doses of the "conspiracy" milieu who
seem to blindly leap into anything simply because it is badged as
"ALTERNATIVE," or "secret knowledge," or "conspiracy."

This area is now largely penetrated and dominated by "BIG CORP" and the use
of the above euphemisms is little more than SMART MARKETING to the loony
Esoteric, neo-Gnostic, Anarchist, Voguish, dippy New-Age-Oprah oddballs, and
so on and so forth types, who are besotted with such "alternative"
lip-homage placebos.

 These products could be
 equally beneficial as the very costly traditional ones.  Any other
 information required to post an article?

I've heard people speak well of the stuff that have used it, against some of
the addictive, and side-issues of the pharma-chemical concoctions they also
tried -  but I don't know if there have been any serious long term or
scientific studies done?



 Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 10:58 AM
 Subject: St. John's Wort as Effective as Antidepressant Drug 9/17/00


  http://www.mercola.com/2000/sept/17/st_johns_wort_depression.htm
 

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[CTRL] Fw: An Undersea Narco Navy?

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- - A Sub 
Greater Than Its Parts - -There are two distinct, mutually 
exclusive reactions one can have to the newsthat Colombian drug runners were 
building a 100-foot-long submarine capable ofshipping 200 tons of cocaine to 
America.To the drug warriors it is proof positive that their actions are 
turning upthe heat on the narcos. Why else would the smugglers take such 
extraordinarysteps to slip the anti-drug gauntlet that rings the US? Keep 
the pressure upand the coke supply line will dry up.The alternative 
view is that a sub being built 7,500 feet up in the Andes is aclear sign 
that the Drug War cannot be won. The resources required to evenattempt such 
a thing are immense. But the truly rare thing is the will neededto attempt 
the task. The will in turn, is a product of the huge reward thatwould flow 
from success.There is nothing the drug warriors can do to diminish the 
reward that awaitsthe person who is able to reliably bring 200 tons of coke 
to the US. In fact,to the extent the interdiction of other shipments are 
successful the value ofthe sub cargo only increases.Recent history 
suggests, however, that right now planners somewhere inWashington are 
sketching out what it would take to station US Navy subs, onesthat once 
tracked Soviet missile boats, along the Colombian coastline.Onward, 
victory.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/colombia000907.html

[CTRL] Weird Presidential Coincidentials?

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Weird Presidential Coincidentials?

This offering is an idea that springs from a bull session among us computer
programmers at the University of Texas Data Processing Department. Ann
Landers had just reprinted, for the zillionth time, a list of chilling
parallels between the assassinations of Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy.

We wondered aloud why no one talks about similarities between William
McKinley and James Garfield.

Well, the joke took on a life of its own. Before long, we thought of common
themes in the lives of Zachary Taylor and William Henry Harrison. In fact,
Thomas Jefferson and Richard Nixon seemed to have as much in common as
Lincoln with Kennedy.

Coincidence? You Decide.


* William McKinley and James Garfield were both Republicans.

* McKinley and Garfield were both born and raised in Ohio.

* McKinley and Garfield were both Civil War veterans.

* McKinley and Garfield both served in the House of Representatives.

* McKinley and Garfield both supported the gold standard and tariffs for
protection of American industry.

* “McKinley” and “Garfield” both have eight letters.

* McKinley and Garfield were both replaced by vice-presidents from New York
City (Theodore Roosevelt and Chester Alan Arthur).

* Both of their vice-presidents wore moustaches.

* McKinley and Garfield were both shot in September, in the first year of
their current terms.

* “Chester Alan Arthur” and “Theodore Roosevelt” have seventeen letters
each.

* Both of their assassins, Charles Guiteau and Leon Czolgosz, had
foreign-sounding names.

* Garfield had a cat named McKinley; McKinley had a cat named Garfield.
(Okay, okay, so I made this one up.)


You get the idea. Finding spooky parallels is easy. I figure that with
minimal effort, anyone should be able to think of five or six eerie
similarities between any two presidents.

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[CTRL] The Gay Youth Suicide Myth

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  The Gay Youth Suicide Myth
  
  by Peter LaBarbera
  
  Peter LaBarbera, a former reporter for The Washington 
  Times, is executive director of Accuracy in Academia, a Washington, 
  D.C.-based group that monitors bias in higher education. He is also 
  publisher of The Lambda Report on Homosexuality, a quarterly 
  newspaper focusing on the activities of the homosexual rights movement. 
  For information on AIA or The Lambda Report on Homosexuality, 
  call Mr. LaBarbera at 202-364-3085. 
  

  The rate of suicide has nearly tripled among young people since 
  1965.[1] Efforts to discover the root causes of this epidemic of 
  self-inflicted violence must be dispassionate and free of politics. 
  However, homosexual activists have manipulated this national tragedy to 
  promote their political agenda. 
  Voicing concern over suicide risk for "gay youth," homosexual activists 
  are pushing pro-homosexual programs in the schools, which will invariably 
  ensnare vulnerable teens who might otherwise have avoided the destructive 
  homosexual lifestyle. Their diagnosis: gay youths need affirmation of 
  their homosexuality in a "homophobic" world, or they may become suicidal. 
  The proffered solution: affirmation programs that make gay youths 
  comfortable with being homosexual and the rest of the student population 
  comfortable with the concept of homosexuality. Once everyone accepts 
  homosexuality as "normal" and "natural," gay youth will achieve high 
  self-esteem and avoid suicidal behavior. 
  But this view is based on the aims and values of the gay activist 
  movement, not on any solid scientific assessment. For starters, it ignores 
  the possibility that homosexuality is a condition-apart from societal 
  acceptance or nonacceptance-that often leads to unhealthy behavior, which 
  leads to unhappiness. 
  The genesis of the homosexual teen suicide myth lies in a deeply flawed 
  and pro-homosexual report by San Francisco homosexual activist Paul 
  Gibson. The paper, "Gay Male and Lesbian Youth Suicide," was included, as 
  a supporting document, in a 1989 report by a special federal task force on 
  youth suicide reporting to Dr. Louis Sullivan, former Secretary of Health 
  and Human Services (HHS). However, Secretary Sullivan repudiated and 
  distanced his department from the Gibson paper: 
  
  ...the views expressed in the paper entitled 'Gay Male and 
Lesbian Youth Suicide' do not in any way represent my personal beliefs 
or the policy of this Department.[2]Sullivan went on to say: 
  
  Indeed, I am strongly committed to advancing traditional 
family values. Federal policies must be crafted with great care so as to 
strengthen rather than undermine the institution of the family. In my 
opinion, the views expressed in the paper run contrary to that aim.[3] 
  Dr. David Shaffer, one of the country's leading authorities 
  on suicide among youth, notes that Gibson's paper "was never subjected to 
  the rigorous peer review that is required for publication in a scientific 
  journal and contained no new research findings."[4] 
  The following are some of Gibson's most tendentious and oft-repeated 
  claims: 
  
  
gay and lesbian youths may account for one third of all youth 
suicides; 
homosexual youths are two to three times more likely to attempt 
suicide than their heterosexual peers; 
suicide is the leading cause of death among gay and lesbian youth; 
and 
gay youth suicide is caused by the internalization of "homophobia" 
and violence directed at gays.[5] Although Gibson's report was 
  denounced by Secretary Sullivan, homosexual activists have skillfully used 
  it to claim that "government statistics" support their suicide assertions. 
  Pro-gay articles routinely (and mistakenly) cite Gibson's unproven 
  statistics as part of the HHS task force's official conclusions on youth 
  suicide.[6] Gibson himself has declined an interview with the author to 
  discuss his controversial assertions.[7] 
  In Massachusetts, a recently established Commission on Gay and Lesbian 
  Youth set up by Republican Gov. William Weld relied almost exclusively on 
  Gibson's unpublished HHS paper to warn ominously of a gay teen suicide 
  epidemic. Gibson's exaggerated claims became the central rationale for 
  creating a sweeping pro-gay counseling program in the state's schools.[8] 
  In an interview in The Advocate, a national gay magazine, 
  Governor Weld, curiously, uses a Gibson-derived statistic to justify the 
  program while at the same time seemingly acknowledging that this program 
  

[CTRL] Scientists I.D. Christ's fingerprint - Nonsense of Icke - the Christ Conspiracy

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- Original Message -
From: "William Shannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 5:18 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] (CTRL) OT: Scientists conclusively I.D.
Christ'sfingerprint(fwd)


 In a message dated 9/16/00 1:23:35 PM Central Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  That's because he's an idiot, a liar, and a fool who will make up shit
  to sell books. 


 Au contraire!
 Icke is a brilliant scholar and a daring man...his books are a wealth of
 information.
 Might I also suggest the beautiful and talented Acharya S's book THE
CHRIST
 CONSPIRACY for further evidence that Christ never existed.

 Bill.

Au contraire, contraire! Have to agree with J2 "That's because he's an
idiot, a liar, and a fool who will make up shit to sell books." Such truly
is an appropriate claim for the utter crap peddled by self-proclaimed "son
of god" loon David Icke, and co-accused fruit loop and misologist Achy
Breakie heart Acharya S - mere money grubbing charlatans.

Acharya S for example, wouldn't know the difference between true
Christianity and her bunghole. To call these shysters "scholar" - is a
thorough misnomer.

For insatnce, "The Christ Conspiracy" by Acharya S - is published by an
obscure publishing house called "Adventures Unlimited," (1999) not exactly
Harper and Row, or Yale University Press, but at least they know where to
buy ink.

It is written by one who piles on the PROFESSED credentials like they would
disappear if not referred to in a hurry: "...archaeologist, historian,
mythologist, and linguist." Did they forget, con artist, sloppy researcher,
amateur logician, incompetent, angry and irrational person?

Silly Achy Heart S is all of these things; The Christ Conspiracy a tedious,
boring compilation of some of the silliest arguments, some of the broadest
and vaguest generalizations, drawn from some of the most outdated and
unreliable sources, that I have yet seen composed.

Lets face it, such spurious, fabricated nonsense is not new, and is hardly
much more than the re-mashed diatribes of dead and buried sceptics, whose
erroneous material on Christianity even honest, studiously rigorous,
modern-day sceptical scholars are
EMBARRASSED about and would never print.

Yet, here we have another self-appointed guru, rummaging around her box of
stale corn flakes, and attempting to make some ghastly conspiracy mache out
of it.

The somewhat sparse popularity such works receive from Esoteric's, Gnostics,
sham dress-up Sceptics, and New Ager types, is, in my opinion, a further
demonstration, that critical thinking ability has sunk to a new all time
low.

It seems, that as soon as one puts "conspiracy" on the cover, it is like a
fairy-floss attractant to the paranoid, childish conspiracy mindset.

We must also ask, is Acharya S still communing with her ethereal little
"entities?"

I guess also having such supra-human "entities," as your authority and
informational channel, precludes the necessity for hard honest scholarship
when it comes to these higher-than-mortal esoteric mind farts.

Lets quickly make some points on JUST ONE of dear confused Achy's sections -
the Gnostics, and while she is partly right to say that the ideas that were
part of Gnosticism, are indeed old, older indeed quite often than NT
Christianity, she takes the usual overboard position that "Gnosticism was
proto-Christianity." (60) Which I have demonstrated here just last week,
such a paltry claim could not be further from the truth.

The evidence for this concocted claim?

*  That critics of Christianity like Porphyry and Plotinus attacked Gnostics
whom they considered to be Christians--which means about as much as the
modern media attacking the groups of Jim Jones and David Koresh as
"Christian." The ignorance of others, and their inability to offer precise
classifications of religious groups they hate intensely, offers no proof of
anything.

*  That three church Fathers were either sympathetic to Gnostic views
(Clement of Alexandria, and Ireneaus, so we are told, who "had a zodiac on
the floor of his church at Lyons" [60]) or once were (Augustine)--which also
means absolutely nothing; that a small number of church Fathers some 200
years after the fact and in an entirely different social-cultural milieu had
any sort of involvement in a contrary movement no more adds proof to the
thesis that "Gnosticism was proto-Christianity" than pointing to a group of
modern Christian youth who play Dungeons and Dragons proves that "fantasy
gaming is proto-Christianity."

*  It is claimed that Christianity shares Gnosticism's "disdain for the
flesh and for matter in general," (60) although the citations offered prove
no such thing, especially when examined in their literary-historical
context. "The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of
it, that the works thereof are evil." John 7:7 is cited as proof of Jesus'
supposed Gnosticism!  BUT, this only says that the works of the world 

Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] Keep the Homophobes Out of Our Discussion


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 At 11:21 AM 9/17/00 -0700, nessie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 This is a list devoted to conspiracy. Homosexuality is off topic and
 diversionary.

 Oh  brother!

 If you don't understand that homosexuals and homosexuality are being
 manipulated by others with an agenda that has damn little to do with
either,
 you don't understand "conspiracy".

 DBC


Hmmm ...  I for one, think, I can see what you mean DBC?

One can disseminate here, errr ... I mean, "discuss," any conspiracy theory,
so long it is a conspiracy theory limited to, and upheld by the Ruling Class
Establishment here? Does that make reasonable sense? Is there a conspiracy
afoot perhaps?

Re: [CTRL] (to J2) NAZI HOMOSEXUALS JESUIT INFILTRATORS

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] NAZI POLICY TOWARD HOMOSEXUALS



 A secular humanist would NEVER disguise herself as a Christian. That would
be
 equivalent to a big fat Priest or Rabbi stripping down to his underwear
and
 go around claiming to be Buddha.

 Joshua2

You've NEVER heard of RC JESUITS infiltrating other religions in cognito?
In China for example, they literally BECAME BUDDHIST MONKS and LEADERS of
that religion, in order to serve the long term agenda of the Vatican. They
even invented a character caled CONFUCIUS As one author has written of thier
style of intrigue:

"When appearing as members of their order, they wore a GARB OF SANCTITY,
visiting prisons and hospitals, ministering to the sick and the poor,
professing to have renounced the world, and bearing the sacred name of
Jesus, who went about doing good. But under this blameless exterior THE MOST
CRIMINAL AND DEADLY PURPOSES WERE CONCEALED.

It was a fundamental principle of the order that the END JUSTIFIES THE
MEANS. By this code, lying, theft, perjury, ASSASSINATION, were not only
pardonable but commendable, when they served the interests of the church.
Under various disguises the jesuits WORKED THEIR WAY INTO OFFICES of state,
CLIMBING UP to be the counselors of kings, and SHAPING THE POLICY of
nations.

They became servants, to act as spies upon their masters. They established
colleges for the sons of princes and nobles, and schools for the common
people; and the children of protestant parents were drawn into an observance
of popish rites. All the outward pomp and display of the romish worship was
brought to bear to confuse the mind, and dazzle and captivate the
imagination; and thus the liberty for which the fathers had toiled and bled
was betrayed by the sons. The jesuits rapidly spread themselves over europe,
and WHEREVER THEY WENT, THERE FOLLOWED A REVIVAL OF POPERY.

Throughout Christendom, Protestantism was menaced by formidable foes. The
first triumphs of the Reformation past, rome summoned new forces, hoping to
accomplish its destruction. At this time, the Order of the Jesuits was
created, the most cruel, unscrupulous, and powerful of all the champions of
popery.

Cut off from every earthly tie and human interest, dead to the claims of
natural affection, reason and conscience wholly silenced, they knew no rule,
no tie, but that of their order, and not duty but to extend its power. The
Gospel of Christ had enabled its adherents to meet danger and endure
suffering, undismayed by cold, hunger, toil, and poverty, to uphold the
banner of truth in face of the rack, the dungeon, and the stake.

To combat these forces, Jesuitism inspired its followers with a fanaticism
that enabled them to endure like dangers, and to oppose to the power of
truth all the weapons of deception. There was no crime too great for them to
commit, no deception too base for them to practice, NO DISGUISE TOO
DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO ASSUME. Vowed to perpetual poverty and humility, it
was their studied aim to secure wealth and power, to be devoted to the
overthrow of Protestantism, and THE RE-ESTABLISHMENT OF THE PAPAL
SUPREMACY."

For a modern Scholarly example of such intrigues, especially in Chinese
culture see:

"Manufacturing Confucianism : Chinese Traditions  Universal Civilization"
by Lionel M. Jensen

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/clm/ref=cm_dp_rr_fav/103-7315937-4451863#r
ated-review


Here's a sample review:

A fascinating reconstruction of a centuries-old hoodwink., June 3, 1998

Reviewer: Timothy Ritter (see more about me) from Crestone, Colorado, USA

What a joy it is when an academic rejects the obfuscating jargon of his clan
and writes clearly on a worthwhile topic. Such is the case with Lionel
Jensen and his new book on "Confucianism". Till now, this word has slipped
off our tongues all too glibly. It is not uncommon to read of "Confucian
values" and "Confucian wisdom". Jensen has points out quite cogently that
these things have no foundation. They are, in fact, fabrications.

No such person as Confucius ever existed. Kongzi, you say. Confucius is the
latinization of Kongzi. Not so, Jensen says. No evidence exists that the men
who created Confucius had Kongzi in mind any more than any of the other
anonymous sages who set onto paper the Four Books, which are regarded as the
basis of Confucianism. Nor is there any evidence that Kongzi actually wrote
any of the Four Books. He is mentioned in a couple of them, and he speaks in
a couple of them. But he could just as easily be a fictitious character as
an actual historical sage. He is supposed to have lived around 500 BC, but
we don't actually know any more about him than we do about Homer, which is
very little.

Confucius, on the other hand, we know a great deal about, or rather think we
do. He's the guy who wrote those pithy and sometimes cryptic things you see
in fortune 

[CTRL] Scientists conclusively I.D. Christ's fingerprint

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Well the Vatican, I believe possess several "authentic" SKULLS of St Peter,
and the very BLOOD of the "VIRGIN" Mary (although of the eternal "VIRGIN,"
the Bible confirms that she in fcat had many other children!), they even
possess the very blessed "MILK" from Mary's own bosom that Christ suckled.
We are informed they are even the repositories of Christs very burial CLOTH
(although the Bible indicates Jesus was in fcat buried in TWO separate
garments!) etc, etc, etc, an ad infinitum and ad nauseas!

So why ought we not have the very finger prints of Christ to add to the
treasure trove of LYING "relics" and innumerable FORGERIES!!!



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 [It's official.  This report was published by that ridiculous
 tabloid (she told me but I forgot the exact name)not National
 EnquirererWorld Report something or other??  Trash, for sure,
 however.  Sorry folks:( --MS]


 On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, William Shannon wrote:

  In a message dated 9/13/00 10:02:53 AM Central Daylight Time,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
   A finger print recovered from a 2000 year old silver chalice was
   "almost certainly" left behind by Jesus of Nazereth, a top expert
   says. 
 
  LMFAO!!!
  Really??? So they have Jesus's print on file to check against?? I
suppose
  it's right next to Huck Finn's and Uriah Heep's...
 
  Puhlese!
 
  Bill.
 


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Re: [CTRL] I TWAT I Twaw a Pwuddy Kat?

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Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] "I TWAT I Twaw a Pwuddy Kat?"


 From: "NSA" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  I suppose next, all these PC femmes will be onto me about my use of the
term
  PUSSY above, as if to suggest they've never stroked theirs perhaps,
what's
  this forum COMING to!!!

 Stop it, sir!  You are making those of us with delicate nerves and
sensitive feeling get all flustered and
 bothered!  Fetch me my fan!

 Next thing, y'all be talking about a morass of kumquats, and I for one
will not be able to suppress my
 blushing!

 And I'm sure y'all know us belles do NOT have...er, I guess I'll spell
it...L-E-G-S, no sir, ladies of
 refinement have LIMBS.

 Oh dear, now my heart's all a flutter in my bosom...(can I say that in
mixed company?)


 June (who thought 'twat' was what Elmer Fudd did when he ate too much
Mexican food...)  ;-)


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Too funny!!!

Oddball thing is, all the TWhiners seemed to have caught laryngitis and
TWere left speechless over my lengthy post, which detailed, and refuted all
the so-called Diana "anomalies," and then they concentrated all their
vehemence on a SWilly TWord!  Isn't such scheme listed as a tactic in
DisInfo manuals?

Oh TWell . on with the show!



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[CTRL] TALE OF ARTHUR POINTS TO COMET CATASTROPHE

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TALE OF ARTHUR POINTS TO COMET CATASTROPHE

The story of the death of King Arthur and its references to a wasteland
may have been inspired by the apocalyptic effects of a giant comet
bombarding the Earth in AD540, leading to the Dark Ages, a British
scientist said yesterday. The impacts filled the atmosphere with dust
and debris; a long winter began. Crops failed, and there was famine, Dr
Mike Baillie of Queen's University, Belfast, told the British
Association for the Advancement of Science. There was now overwhelming
evidence from studies of tree rings of a catastrophic climate change at
that time, he said.

Dr Baillie, who is based at the university's school of archaeology and
palaeoecology, said studies of Irish oaks showed that the climate
suddenly became inhospitable around AD540. Other researchers had
discovered the same narrow rings on trees in places such as Germany,
Scandinavia, Siberia, North America and China. "For all these trees to
show the same rings at the same time means it must have been a
profoundly unpleasant event, a catastrophic environmental downturn, in
AD540, which is in or at the beginning of the Dark Ages."

The tightly bound rings are consistent with fierce frosts that would
have devastated agriculture and made a malnourished population more
vulnerable to the plague of 542, which killed millions. Plague-carrying
rats and pests would have been looking for sustenance, thus hastening
the spread of the disease. Dr Baillie said that there were several
theories as to the explanation. One was that a vast volcano had erupted
and pumped huge amounts of dust into the atmosphere. Yet such a volcano
"would have been out of all proportion to ones we see in recent times",
he said, adding that the geological records bore no trace of it.

The other theory, he said, was that huge fragments from a giant comet
had hit the Earth, causing violent explosions and a dramatic cooling of
the planet. "My view is that we had a cometary bombardment - not a
full-blown comet, or we would not be here, but parts of a comet." Dr
Baillie said the hypothesis was supported by studies by astronomers and
astrophysicists including Mark Bailey, of the Armagh Observatory, Victor
Clube, of Oxford University, and Bill Napier, formerly of the Royal
Observatory in Edinburgh. They had calculated that there was a strong
likelihood that the Earth suffered a cometary bombardment between 400
and 600, based on records of high meteor shower activity. They had
linked it with the break-up of the comet Biela.

It was hoped that scientists in Greenland would analyze ice cores for
signs of cometary dust. They were soon to carry out chemical analysis
for tree rings for similar clues. Dr Baillie urged historians to examine
the records for writings that may record the events. "You can read about
the Justinian plague in conventional history books but you cannot read
about the cometary bombardment. The trees single out an episode which
can be best described as catastrophic, and it isn't there in written
history."

There was, however, some support buried in mythological writings and
other works. Roger of Wendover had referred in 540 or 541 to a "comet in
Gaul so vast that the whole sky seemed on fire. In the same year there
dropped real blood from the clouds . . . and a dreadful mortality
ensued".

Dr Baillie also cited the death of King Arthur, which is dated to 537,
539 and 542 in various works, as establishing possible links with fire
from the sky and destruction. Dr Baillie said that Arthur was linked in
old Irish with CuChulainn, the sky god, who in turn was linked with the
Celtic bright sky god Lugh variously described as "bright as the setting
sun, comes up in the west, and of the mighty blows". "The Arthurian
stories with their Celtic antecedents of bright sky gods and 'wasteland'
come with traditional dates for Arthur's death." Dr Baillie said that
the myths hinted strongly at a bombardment as the causes of an
environmental downturn. (The London Times)

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[CTRL] I TWAT I Twaw a Pwuddy Kat?

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Sheeesh!

Next, all of these PC pussy's will be wanting to ban one of my favourite
cartoon characters ala TW*TTY BIRD!

And I don't know how Bill, or June got caught in the crossfire either?

All "I" meant was, in my use of this apparently sacred term, was in the
sense of a local colloquialism,  a sort of synonym for a twit, I was not
intending to be sacrilegious to the T-T worshippers!

I suppose next, all these PC femmes will be onto me about my use of the term
PUSSY above, as if to suggest they've never stroked theirs perhaps, what's
this forum COMING to!!!

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Re: [CTRL] Reply to NSA The Diana Forum

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Birdie, I think maybe you ought to calm down a bit else the Paramedics will
need calling.

Your personal like, or dislike of the Royals, or whomever for that matter,
is quite irrelevant. Blackening the Royals doesn't of itself make the
twitty-twat Diana and whiter.

One point worth remembering when confronted with some of the crazed
conspiracy theories, for example, that there was a pre-meditated plot to
have her ritually sacrificed beneath the Pont de l'Alma on Aug 31st as has
been suggested by such loonies - is that it was only pure chance that Diana
was in Paris that weekend at all.

There were no initial plans to spend the weekend there. As was pointed out
with much vehemence by the UK tabloids at the time was that she was actually
supposed to return to the UK several days earlier directly from Sardinia.

It was also pure chance that they decided to dine at the Ritz that evening
instead of his apartment - the decision being taken by Dodi.

Also the point about the car hitting the 13th pillar deliberately is just
ridiculous. The Mercedes slammed into the right side wall of the tunnel on
it's right-hand rear side first before it crashed into the pillar thereby
losing control.

Henri Paul must have been one hell of a driver to pull that one off at over
100 kph. Also, if it was important for her to be sacrificed on Aug 31st then
how could they have guaranteed this? The crash happened minutes after
midnight - pure chance yet again. They could have left The Ritz at any given
time during the evening.

Here is some information from the report of the accompanying Public
Prosecutor's report which will assist you with the facts and help explain
the supposed "ANOMALIES" some have invented over the accident.

"The experts NIBODEAU-FRINDEL and AMOUROUX, for their part, concluded that
the contact between the Mercedes and the Fiat "Uno" only consisted of a
simple scrape, which had not lead to a significant reduction in speed by the
Mercedes.
The speed at which the Mercedes was travelling was described as very fast by
all the witnesses, both during the journey along the banks [of the Seine]
and at the moment when it entered the tunnel.

Mr NIBODEAU-FRINDEL and Mr AMOUROUX estimated the speed of the Mercedes,
before the collision at a total of between a maximum of 155 km/hour and a
minimum of 118 km/hour and the speed, at the moment of the crash on the
thirteenth pillar of the Alma tunnel was between 95 and 109 km/hour with a
margin of error of more or less 10%.
They attributed the direct causes of the accident to this excessive speed
which, taking account of the particular profile of the road, had rendered
the vehicle difficult to control, all the more so because of the presence of
the Fiat "Uno" at the entrance of the tunnel and the fact that the driver of
the Mercedes had a very poor control of his vehicle.
They finally stated that Emad AL FAYED and Lady Diana SPENCER would have
survived if they had fastened their safety belts."

Here's the so-called "anomalies" -

1:Why were there no security cars. Someone with as high a profile as Diana
should have had at least one car behind and one in front

This was far from the case even when Diana was in London. She was well known
to go about her daily business with little or no security arrangements. Her
daily visits to the gymnasium in Chelsea, as well as frequent lunches at La
Caprice restaurant were nearly always conducted on her own. If you recall
there were numerous incidents of her being pursued by press photographers
when she was totally vulnerable on her own. She valued what little privacy
she had left and any opportunity to engage in normal activities were
enthusiastically embraced. As for Paris the report states:

"The Princess had not advised the British Embassy of her presence in France
and had not requested any particular protection from the French
 authorities."


2: Why did they use Henri Paul? He was not a qualified chauffeur.

From the report:

"In fact, if the appointment of Henri PAUL as the driver poses a problem
about the awareness of his state on the evening in question and his
intemperance, it should also lead to an examination of the conditions in
which it had been decided to resort to a vehicle from the company Etoile
Limousine, whose fleet was made up of high powered cars, necessitating to
drive them, the possession of a special licence, which Mr Henri PAUL did not
possess.
(D1023 - D4936)
On this point the versions of the Ritz management and Jean François MUSA,
the manager of Etoiles Limousine, diverge : Jean François MUSA claimed that
he had expressed reticence when he heard that Henri PAUL would drive the
car, notably because he did not have an ad hoc licence, but no witness
confirms this point.
Jean François MUSA, who however admitted still allowing the use of the
vehicle, despite knowing that Henri PAUL was to drive it, justified this by
reason of the fact that he could not refuse what was asked of him.
Now, examining the nature of the 

Re: [CTRL] Reply to NSA The Diana Forum

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From: "Birds" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Diana was more than a silly twat.  She was killed because
 she represented good and was messing around with The Land
 mines projects and they were losing money and the Princess
 did not want Diana to marry D.  Murder one.


Frankly "Birds" I think you are either nuts or a mindless sycophant of
garrulous media hype.

There are numerous people involved in the Land Mines issue who have
contributed real progress and substance, of which Diana did little of, who
are far easier targets for your apparent assassination conspiracy theory,
who are alive and contributing to the work, just "average Joes," going about
their work with real conviction, and not hype-driven Dianaesque tabloid
photoshoots.

The woman was a shameful waste of life. Her death indeed was tragic and no
one is denying that. But she was a suicidal minx, a Royal "fille de joie,"
and essentially suffered the consequences of her risqué on the night of her
excess with drunk-at-the-wheel tragedy.

Perhaps she was not prepared for her life as a Royal, and one can feel
empathy for her apparent misery in such a life. On the other hand, as far as
I know, nobody put a noose around her neck and dragged her into the Palace
lifestyle, which she readily welcomed, and quickly became a woman devoted to
the pursuit of pleasure, a woman of easy virtue, addicted to media glory and
self-aggrandisement.

Her name is now invoked by a seemingly wide menagerie of united loonies from
certain supposed British Anarchists, even Neo-Nazi wannabes, and the Fascist
Far Right, who cover their activities with wordy "spiritual" nuances of
which "goddess" Diana, "the huntress," is used as a moniker of sorts for
their in desguise politico rants. Generally, her persona is now used to
attack the British Monarchy, and the Establishment - but form where I'm
standing, such a tactic of itself is a reflection of these groups' innate
shallowness and half-witted pursuits. You sound like you've swallowed their
idiot hype Birds?

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Re: [CTRL] The Diana Forum

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From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] The Diana Forum


 Read Roman's 12 for clue to what a secret society is, and imagine where
 Dixon took name of her book Gift of Prophecy 

OK! here (below) is Romans chapter 12 from the KJV bible.

I for one have read it, and its seems quite straightforward, but your post
is very esoteric and cryptic.

So, would you do me a favour and interpret the "secret society" meaning of
it please.

I mean, i do somehow manage to "understand" in very BROAD sense, what you
are trying to say ... but WHY do you need to be so CRYPTIC about it?

Why not just spill the beans in Mr and Mrss EVERYDAY lingo?

Surely it is not out of any fear of "revealing" your message, because, if
the HIGH CABAL people who you are possibly apprehensive of, read your stuff,
they will understand EVEN your CRYPTIC messages anyway, so why not just
speak plain ENGLISH, and let us plebes in on WHAT it IS exactly that you are
trying to say Aleisha!!!???   Thankx!

1 ¶ Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God,
and Sosthenes our brother,
2  Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified
in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon
the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
3  Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord
Jesus Christ.
4  I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given
you by Jesus Christ;
5  That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all
knowledge;
6  Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
7  So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord
Jesus Christ:
8  Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the
day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9  God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son
Jesus Christ our Lord.
10 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that
ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but
that  ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same
judgment.
11  For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are
of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12  Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of
Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13  Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in
the name of Paul?
14 ¶ I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
15  Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16  And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not
whether I baptized any other.
17 ¶ For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with
wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18  For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but
unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19  For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring
to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20  Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this
world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21  For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it
pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22  For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23  But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto
the Greeks foolishness;
24  But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power
of God, and the wisdom of God.
25  Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of
God is stronger than men.
26  For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the
flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27  But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the
wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the
things which are mighty;
28  And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God
chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29  That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30  But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom,
and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31  That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the
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Re: [CTRL] The Diana Forum

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Aleisha - dotty Diana died because she was a silly twat and reckless and
risque with not only her own life but with those in her company on the night
of her death.

As to the Bible, it is NOT a pile of esoteric mumjo jumbo that some would
have it be with nonsensical codes and so forth.

The bulk of its prophecies and sayings are clear to average reader. Some
sections, like Revelation, were written using symbols in order to protect
its messege and hearers from the vicious persectution of Christians by the
Roman State, and certain of the fanatical Jewish priests.

Most of the other prophecies are discerned if the authentic reader wishes to
dig into them and learn. The book of Daniel for instance, predicted not only
the demise of the most powerful and ruling kingdom of the day, that was
invisaged
would rule forver, ie Babylon, but also forcast the rise of susequent
kingdoms,
even naming them prior to their rise, ie Medo Persia and Grecia.

Christ also predicted the destruction of Jerusalem, and in this, he also
dualy described what the "end of the world" would be like.

In fact there are scores of bible prohecies which were fulfilled. The
purpose of biblical prohecy is not make wo/men tin prophets, but to uplift
God in every prohpecy.

Here's a few sites on biblical prophecy: as always "Caveat Lector" and check
out things for yourself!

http://www.historicist.com/

http://www.tagnet.org/anotherviewpoint/Daniel/

http://home.i-plus.net/thorpe/trib/SITES.HTM

http://home.integrityonline.com/bereanbeacon/roots.htm

Rule of thumb - stray not too close to the more sensationalistic nonsense!

Along with with true prohpecy, there are of course "FASLE PROPHETS" and
charltans.  Jesus Christ also warned of these, and that there would be many
of such - our times testify to his prediction.

BTW - I am casually curious on your take of false "profitess" Dixon - have
you something substantive that has linked her to the CIA as you have
suggested?  As far as i recall, having looked at her a long time ago - she
appeared to be an agent of the Vatican, then again the Vatican/Nazi/CIA
cabal has been around for a while?




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From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 6:05 PM
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 This is interesting item; however, the bible code is a clue to the
 murder of the little Princess.

 First, someone had their hooks into the Princes of Wales - she was under
 the influence of drugs and he IQ was that of the kindergarten kids sh
 taught - but she was pretty and what a princess should be, I guess.

 So those familiar with this bible code for there is one on this list who
 is - first Diana was a Lady in Waiting...a Prince usually chooses from
 his ladies in waiting, and even little Snow Whitei was a real princess
 waiting for Prince CHARMING.or Charlels, and he is short, for a
 would be King.

 So this is the Immanual Conspiracy;  the marriage of the Princess of
 Wales to the son o an Egyptian.Isaiah 7 tells part of the story for
 the store line is, the Princess WAS pregnant..add that to Acts 19
 and this thing is fascinating.

 Now her former mother in law, the Qeen, would no have sent out the
 killers - but a guy like Tony Blair ould in cahoots with Clinton - I saw
 teir faces as JFK Jr. was obviously repelled by their mere smiles like
 Cheshire Cats..both ae dead now, the little Princess and the young
 Prince.but JFK Jr. had no weakness and once even refushed an
 honorary doctorate because he said "I have done nothing to earan
 it".both the Princess and JFK, Jr. were ready to make their major
 move in life.

 Legends wil go forever about Diana, whom they said the Queen despised -
 and that is not true.
 They would have put the little Princess in the Sunnyside Farm where Jack
 the Ripper was sent, for you do not mess around with Mother of all Kings
 for England..

 The little Princess' psychic, the one she visited was on the air
 recently - she looked like a prostitute and had the nose and face of
 Jean Dixon..Acts 16 is the sign of the gainsaying woman, seller of
 purplemany demons..this woman is nothing more than a spy, but
 whose spy is she?   Like Jean Dixon, she was a gypsy, not a Roman
 Catholic as she claimed = for she used a King James Bible - the hated
 King James Bible that most good catholics shun.

 Key to little princess murder is the Immanual Prophecy..timed, land
 of milk and honey and to live in the house of the Duke and Dutchess of
 Windsor and the linking of a descendent of ancient Pharaoh and I
 say, that guy in the White Fiat is either dead or in some kind of
 protection program.

 NOTE:   Tabloids - often have intelligence agents on payroll...who
 the hell would have ver nown much about the Princess and Prince, without
 the tabloids.like two edged sword, these Tabloids cut both
 ways.note Russian spy Pope ???   Wonder if he is relation to Bob

Re: [CTRL] Catholic Church Used Slave Labor

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"USED" is a misnomer - the fact is, Vaticanised Catholicism has NEVER CEASED
USING. How else would it survive its parasitic existence?


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From: "Aleisha Saba" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Catholic Church Used Slave Labor


 What about the slave labor where soldiers are drafted and sent to fight
 in a war, whereby someone profitted greatly?

 How many ophaned children in American where father's did not return;
 during Viet Nam as all wars there was not to question why, but do or
 die...

 Americans will fight for their country, and today you see what Clinton
 is doing - destroying the Military and then only the UN will have
 military force, and if you do not like it and take arms against a
 tyrannical government,  UN troops will be sent in - and do not think in
 the past some of these masked soldiers have not been UN troops in
 training - on how to put down the Americans.

 It is all a slow dehilibating leveling process; but you cannot put new
 wine into old bottles, so they go for the kids.

 What about reparation from these big companies like Schlumberger and the
 ones who manufacture the big bombs, like the ones dropped on the
 children of Iraq..why are we giving Israel billions of dollars to
 arm up against the arabs - and they are to sit back and let someone walk
 all over themlike Waco - those boots are made for walking?

 See who prospers today?   Those laundering the money, and Columbus, ohio
 has been and still is one of the majaor laundering pointsLarry Flynt
 with his millions..think he made that on pornography?

 President Carter and his sister were in with Flynt; Carter's nephew was
 in prison and friends with Charles Manson, and comes out, and writes a
 book.and then Billy Beer..but when Manson threatened to murder
 Ms. Lillian, little Willie Spann dropped the game plan.
 What kind of peple are these?   Carter makes his entrance in Playboy
 Magazine and his sister hooks up to Larry Flynt, and his nephew chumming
 with Charlie Manson, in prison

 Seems this stuff is all in the family but cui bono.

 Somebody wants reparations?   Maybe I will sue for being denied a father
 whose only crime, was being patriotic..poison gas, mustard gas, was
 result of his death and it was illegal to use in warwho made
 that stuff...nobody built a shrine to him or the other 55 million
 people who died because of WWIIand then came the plague..Death
 always follows death.

 Reparations from Catholic Church - be sure the right people get
 it...imagine Lieberman's wife has put in a bid for some of it.

 A. Saba
 Dare To Call It Conspiracy

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Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

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Does your momma suck eggs Ole?

I posted it so many times so that for ONCE, it might sink into the paranoid
style of mind that, by now any intelligent person ought to know that the
Protocols are shear BUNK and SHAM, written most likely, in my personal
opinion, by the Vatican and its Jesuit scholars typical of its millennial
hate and propaganda against Jews.

If half you nit-wits actually bothered to READ this forgery THROUGH - you
would NOTE, that the HEROES of the PLOT are the Catholics and Jesuits!!!

And amidst the pages of the Elders, these supposed dire-hard anti-Christ
Elders tell us that they perceive the Vatican - who raped, pillaged,
murdered, and persecuted their race all over the globe, as morally
VIRTUOUS!!!

Too laughable for any more words really!


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Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of
Zion


 Dear NSA,

 This is the fourth or fifth time you send the same mail. Are you a mason?

 Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark

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 Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:58 AM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of
Zion


  The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
 
  More than once in the course of the last two centuries, anti-Masonry has
  been fused with an older hatred, hatred of the Jews, that is to say
  anti-Semitism. Probably, the irrational nature of both phobias
facilitates
  their juxtaposition. Be that as it may, from the middle of the 19th
Century,
  we are witnessing an increasing wave of simultaneously anti-Semitic and
  anti-Masonic propaganda. Possibly, the paradigmatic work of this class
of
  "literature" is an opuscule entitled "The Protocols of the Wise Men of
Zion"
  sometimes also known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."
 
  This is one of the most well-known literary falsifications in history,
based
  on plagiarism and fraud from the very beginning of its gestation.
  Nevertheless, this swindle has captivated the imagination of many people
who
  are sensible in other respects, and it has been transformed into the
"source
  of indispensable information" in the baggage of all the anti-Semites and
  anti-Masons.
 
  In this work, we will examine the history of this fraud, will
demonstrate
  its absolute falsification and we will take a look at the lamentable
  consequences that it has had in modern history, as much of the point of
view
  of the Jewish people, as of Freemasonry.
 
 
  Sources of information
 
  In the preparation of this work, I depended mainly on the works of three
  investigators: Professor Jose Antonio Ferrer Benimeli, who in his book
"The
  Judeo-Masonic-Communist Conspiracy"1 dedicates a long chapter to the
subject
  that occupies us (pp. 135-210); Norman Cohn, author of "Justification
for
  Genocide"2, where it makes a history of the antecedents of the
Protocols,
  its evolution and its consequences; and Herman Bernstein, author of "The
  truth on the 'Protocols of Zion'"3, where it not only relates the
history of
  the mystification, but reproduces the complete text of the book of Joly
(pp.
  75-258), the text of the news articles that appeared in the London Times
  (pp. 259-264), the complete text of the Protocols (pp. 295-359), and
other
  authentic documents.
 
  Also, I consulted other works to clarify or to add certain details, as
the
  book "Must men hate?" of the North-American lawyer Sigmund Livingston4,
who
  was the first President of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai-B'rith,
and
  who in his book adds an interesting personal testimony (pp. 39-49) to
the
  meticulous relation presented by the authors mentioned before. All these
  works are included in detail in the notes at the end of this work.
 
  Antecedents
 
  The connection of anti-Masonry and anti-Semitism does not begin with the
  Protocols. Already on the occasion of the Dreyfus affair, that began in
1894
  and continued intermittently until 1906, the French press and also that
of
  other countries5 connected the Judaism of Dreyfus with the Freemasonry
of
  many of his more loyal defenders. Still earlier, Father Agustin Barruel
in
  his "Memory to serve the History of Jacobinism,"6 blamed Freemasonry
  (confusing it with the Illuminati of Bavaria) of being instrumental of
the
  French Revolution (and also of being the heirs of the Templars).
Although
  Barruel did not find historical data to allow him to extend his attack
  including the Jews (between the famous French revolutionaries there were
no
  Jews), other later authors were not so punctilious, and did not have
  scruples in inventing what did not exist in reality.
 
  Numerous books published before and after the Protocols maintain that
  Judaism is at the origin of Free

Re: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

[NSA]

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

More than once in the course of the last two centuries, anti-Masonry has
been fused with an older hatred, hatred of the Jews, that is to say
anti-Semitism. Probably, the irrational nature of both phobias facilitates
their juxtaposition. Be that as it may, from the middle of the 19th Century,
we are witnessing an increasing wave of simultaneously anti-Semitic and
anti-Masonic propaganda. Possibly, the paradigmatic work of this class of
"literature" is an opuscule entitled "The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion"
sometimes also known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

This is one of the most well-known literary falsifications in history, based
on plagiarism and fraud from the very beginning of its gestation.
Nevertheless, this swindle has captivated the imagination of many people who
are sensible in other respects, and it has been transformed into the "source
of indispensable information" in the baggage of all the anti-Semites and
anti-Masons.

In this work, we will examine the history of this fraud, will demonstrate
its absolute falsification and we will take a look at the lamentable
consequences that it has had in modern history, as much of the point of view
of the Jewish people, as of Freemasonry.


Sources of information

In the preparation of this work, I depended mainly on the works of three
investigators: Professor Jose Antonio Ferrer Benimeli, who in his book "The
Judeo-Masonic-Communist Conspiracy"1 dedicates a long chapter to the subject
that occupies us (pp. 135-210); Norman Cohn, author of "Justification for
Genocide"2, where it makes a history of the antecedents of the Protocols,
its evolution and its consequences; and Herman Bernstein, author of "The
truth on the 'Protocols of Zion'"3, where it not only relates the history of
the mystification, but reproduces the complete text of the book of Joly (pp.
75-258), the text of the news articles that appeared in the London Times
(pp. 259-264), the complete text of the Protocols (pp. 295-359), and other
authentic documents.

Also, I consulted other works to clarify or to add certain details, as the
book "Must men hate?" of the North-American lawyer Sigmund Livingston4, who
was the first President of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai-B'rith, and
who in his book adds an interesting personal testimony (pp. 39-49) to the
meticulous relation presented by the authors mentioned before. All these
works are included in detail in the notes at the end of this work.

Antecedents

The connection of anti-Masonry and anti-Semitism does not begin with the
Protocols. Already on the occasion of the Dreyfus affair, that began in 1894
and continued intermittently until 1906, the French press and also that of
other countries5 connected the Judaism of Dreyfus with the Freemasonry of
many of his more loyal defenders. Still earlier, Father Agustin Barruel in
his "Memory to serve the History of Jacobinism,"6 blamed Freemasonry
(confusing it with the Illuminati of Bavaria) of being instrumental of the
French Revolution (and also of being the heirs of the Templars). Although
Barruel did not find historical data to allow him to extend his attack
including the Jews (between the famous French revolutionaries there were no
Jews), other later authors were not so punctilious, and did not have
scruples in inventing what did not exist in reality.

Numerous books published before and after the Protocols maintain that
Judaism is at the origin of Freemasonry. We will mention Monsignor Leon
Meurin, Archbishop of Port-Louis, Mauritius, who published in 1893 a book
entitled "La Franc-Maçonnerie, Synagogue de Satan." The author says on page
260: "Everything in Freemasonry is fundamentally Jewish, exclusively Jewish,
enthusiastically Jewish, from the beginning to the end."7

The historical truth, that can be found in any serious work on the history
of Freemasonry, is that lodges were exclusively Christian in their origin,
and only with the creation of the Grand Lodge of London (1717) began the
process of de-Christianization, that culminated in 1813. At the time of the
union of the two rival Grand Lodges of England, when the United Grand Lodge
of England and Wales was created and rituals were again revised, eliminating
from them the last remaining Christian symbolisms, the institution
transformed into the universal vocation that we now know.

It is worthwhile, as a side commentary, to remember that until today some
Grand Lodges (especially in the Scandinavian countries that practice the
Swedish Rite) do not allow to admit people who do not profess the Christian
religion.

Furthermore, even in those countries where Jews and members of other
religions are welcome in Masonic lodges, other Masonic bodies are closed
before them, exclusively reserved to Christian Masons. As examples (there
are many others), I will mention the "high degrees" of the York rite, such
as the Red Cross of Constantine, the Knights of Malta and the Knights
Templar.

Some 

Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

[NSA]

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

More than once in the course of the last two centuries, anti-Masonry has
been fused with an older hatred, hatred of the Jews, that is to say
anti-Semitism. Probably, the irrational nature of both phobias facilitates
their juxtaposition. Be that as it may, from the middle of the 19th Century,
we are witnessing an increasing wave of simultaneously anti-Semitic and
anti-Masonic propaganda. Possibly, the paradigmatic work of this class of
"literature" is an opuscule entitled "The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion"
sometimes also known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

This is one of the most well-known literary falsifications in history, based
on plagiarism and fraud from the very beginning of its gestation.
Nevertheless, this swindle has captivated the imagination of many people who
are sensible in other respects, and it has been transformed into the "source
of indispensable information" in the baggage of all the anti-Semites and
anti-Masons.

In this work, we will examine the history of this fraud, will demonstrate
its absolute falsification and we will take a look at the lamentable
consequences that it has had in modern history, as much of the point of view
of the Jewish people, as of Freemasonry.


Sources of information

In the preparation of this work, I depended mainly on the works of three
investigators: Professor Jose Antonio Ferrer Benimeli, who in his book "The
Judeo-Masonic-Communist Conspiracy"1 dedicates a long chapter to the subject
that occupies us (pp. 135-210); Norman Cohn, author of "Justification for
Genocide"2, where it makes a history of the antecedents of the Protocols,
its evolution and its consequences; and Herman Bernstein, author of "The
truth on the 'Protocols of Zion'"3, where it not only relates the history of
the mystification, but reproduces the complete text of the book of Joly (pp.
75-258), the text of the news articles that appeared in the London Times
(pp. 259-264), the complete text of the Protocols (pp. 295-359), and other
authentic documents.

Also, I consulted other works to clarify or to add certain details, as the
book "Must men hate?" of the North-American lawyer Sigmund Livingston4, who
was the first President of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai-B'rith, and
who in his book adds an interesting personal testimony (pp. 39-49) to the
meticulous relation presented by the authors mentioned before. All these
works are included in detail in the notes at the end of this work.

Antecedents

The connection of anti-Masonry and anti-Semitism does not begin with the
Protocols. Already on the occasion of the Dreyfus affair, that began in 1894
and continued intermittently until 1906, the French press and also that of
other countries5 connected the Judaism of Dreyfus with the Freemasonry of
many of his more loyal defenders. Still earlier, Father Agustin Barruel in
his "Memory to serve the History of Jacobinism,"6 blamed Freemasonry
(confusing it with the Illuminati of Bavaria) of being instrumental of the
French Revolution (and also of being the heirs of the Templars). Although
Barruel did not find historical data to allow him to extend his attack
including the Jews (between the famous French revolutionaries there were no
Jews), other later authors were not so punctilious, and did not have
scruples in inventing what did not exist in reality.

Numerous books published before and after the Protocols maintain that
Judaism is at the origin of Freemasonry. We will mention Monsignor Leon
Meurin, Archbishop of Port-Louis, Mauritius, who published in 1893 a book
entitled "La Franc-Maçonnerie, Synagogue de Satan." The author says on page
260: "Everything in Freemasonry is fundamentally Jewish, exclusively Jewish,
enthusiastically Jewish, from the beginning to the end."7

The historical truth, that can be found in any serious work on the history
of Freemasonry, is that lodges were exclusively Christian in their origin,
and only with the creation of the Grand Lodge of London (1717) began the
process of de-Christianization, that culminated in 1813. At the time of the
union of the two rival Grand Lodges of England, when the United Grand Lodge
of England and Wales was created and rituals were again revised, eliminating
from them the last remaining Christian symbolisms, the institution
transformed into the universal vocation that we now know.

It is worthwhile, as a side commentary, to remember that until today some
Grand Lodges (especially in the Scandinavian countries that practice the
Swedish Rite) do not allow to admit people who do not profess the Christian
religion.

Furthermore, even in those countries where Jews and members of other
religions are welcome in Masonic lodges, other Masonic bodies are closed
before them, exclusively reserved to Christian Masons. As examples (there
are many others), I will mention the "high degrees" of the York rite, such
as the Red Cross of Constantine, the Knights of Malta and the Knights
Templar.

Some 

Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

[NSA]

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

More than once in the course of the last two centuries, anti-Masonry has
been fused with an older hatred, hatred of the Jews, that is to say
anti-Semitism. Probably, the irrational nature of both phobias facilitates
their juxtaposition. Be that as it may, from the middle of the 19th Century,
we are witnessing an increasing wave of simultaneously anti-Semitic and
anti-Masonic propaganda. Possibly, the paradigmatic work of this class of
"literature" is an opuscule entitled "The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion"
sometimes also known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

This is one of the most well-known literary falsifications in history, based
on plagiarism and fraud from the very beginning of its gestation.
Nevertheless, this swindle has captivated the imagination of many people who
are sensible in other respects, and it has been transformed into the "source
of indispensable information" in the baggage of all the anti-Semites and
anti-Masons.

In this work, we will examine the history of this fraud, will demonstrate
its absolute falsification and we will take a look at the lamentable
consequences that it has had in modern history, as much of the point of view
of the Jewish people, as of Freemasonry.


Sources of information

In the preparation of this work, I depended mainly on the works of three
investigators: Professor Jose Antonio Ferrer Benimeli, who in his book "The
Judeo-Masonic-Communist Conspiracy"1 dedicates a long chapter to the subject
that occupies us (pp. 135-210); Norman Cohn, author of "Justification for
Genocide"2, where it makes a history of the antecedents of the Protocols,
its evolution and its consequences; and Herman Bernstein, author of "The
truth on the 'Protocols of Zion'"3, where it not only relates the history of
the mystification, but reproduces the complete text of the book of Joly (pp.
75-258), the text of the news articles that appeared in the London Times
(pp. 259-264), the complete text of the Protocols (pp. 295-359), and other
authentic documents.

Also, I consulted other works to clarify or to add certain details, as the
book "Must men hate?" of the North-American lawyer Sigmund Livingston4, who
was the first President of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai-B'rith, and
who in his book adds an interesting personal testimony (pp. 39-49) to the
meticulous relation presented by the authors mentioned before. All these
works are included in detail in the notes at the end of this work.

Antecedents

The connection of anti-Masonry and anti-Semitism does not begin with the
Protocols. Already on the occasion of the Dreyfus affair, that began in 1894
and continued intermittently until 1906, the French press and also that of
other countries5 connected the Judaism of Dreyfus with the Freemasonry of
many of his more loyal defenders. Still earlier, Father Agustin Barruel in
his "Memory to serve the History of Jacobinism,"6 blamed Freemasonry
(confusing it with the Illuminati of Bavaria) of being instrumental of the
French Revolution (and also of being the heirs of the Templars). Although
Barruel did not find historical data to allow him to extend his attack
including the Jews (between the famous French revolutionaries there were no
Jews), other later authors were not so punctilious, and did not have
scruples in inventing what did not exist in reality.

Numerous books published before and after the Protocols maintain that
Judaism is at the origin of Freemasonry. We will mention Monsignor Leon
Meurin, Archbishop of Port-Louis, Mauritius, who published in 1893 a book
entitled "La Franc-Maçonnerie, Synagogue de Satan." The author says on page
260: "Everything in Freemasonry is fundamentally Jewish, exclusively Jewish,
enthusiastically Jewish, from the beginning to the end."7

The historical truth, that can be found in any serious work on the history
of Freemasonry, is that lodges were exclusively Christian in their origin,
and only with the creation of the Grand Lodge of London (1717) began the
process of de-Christianization, that culminated in 1813. At the time of the
union of the two rival Grand Lodges of England, when the United Grand Lodge
of England and Wales was created and rituals were again revised, eliminating
from them the last remaining Christian symbolisms, the institution
transformed into the universal vocation that we now know.

It is worthwhile, as a side commentary, to remember that until today some
Grand Lodges (especially in the Scandinavian countries that practice the
Swedish Rite) do not allow to admit people who do not profess the Christian
religion.

Furthermore, even in those countries where Jews and members of other
religions are welcome in Masonic lodges, other Masonic bodies are closed
before them, exclusively reserved to Christian Masons. As examples (there
are many others), I will mention the "high degrees" of the York rite, such
as the Red Cross of Constantine, the Knights of Malta and the Knights
Templar.

Some 

Re: [CTRL] The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion

[NSA]

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion

More than once in the course of the last two centuries, anti-Masonry has
been fused with an older hatred, hatred of the Jews, that is to say
anti-Semitism. Probably, the irrational nature of both phobias facilitates
their juxtaposition. Be that as it may, from the middle of the 19th Century,
we are witnessing an increasing wave of simultaneously anti-Semitic and
anti-Masonic propaganda. Possibly, the paradigmatic work of this class of
"literature" is an opuscule entitled "The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion"
sometimes also known as "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

This is one of the most well-known literary falsifications in history, based
on plagiarism and fraud from the very beginning of its gestation.
Nevertheless, this swindle has captivated the imagination of many people who
are sensible in other respects, and it has been transformed into the "source
of indispensable information" in the baggage of all the anti-Semites and
anti-Masons.

In this work, we will examine the history of this fraud, will demonstrate
its absolute falsification and we will take a look at the lamentable
consequences that it has had in modern history, as much of the point of view
of the Jewish people, as of Freemasonry.


Sources of information

In the preparation of this work, I depended mainly on the works of three
investigators: Professor Jose Antonio Ferrer Benimeli, who in his book "The
Judeo-Masonic-Communist Conspiracy"1 dedicates a long chapter to the subject
that occupies us (pp. 135-210); Norman Cohn, author of "Justification for
Genocide"2, where it makes a history of the antecedents of the Protocols,
its evolution and its consequences; and Herman Bernstein, author of "The
truth on the 'Protocols of Zion'"3, where it not only relates the history of
the mystification, but reproduces the complete text of the book of Joly (pp.
75-258), the text of the news articles that appeared in the London Times
(pp. 259-264), the complete text of the Protocols (pp. 295-359), and other
authentic documents.

Also, I consulted other works to clarify or to add certain details, as the
book "Must men hate?" of the North-American lawyer Sigmund Livingston4, who
was the first President of the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai-B'rith, and
who in his book adds an interesting personal testimony (pp. 39-49) to the
meticulous relation presented by the authors mentioned before. All these
works are included in detail in the notes at the end of this work.

Antecedents

The connection of anti-Masonry and anti-Semitism does not begin with the
Protocols. Already on the occasion of the Dreyfus affair, that began in 1894
and continued intermittently until 1906, the French press and also that of
other countries5 connected the Judaism of Dreyfus with the Freemasonry of
many of his more loyal defenders. Still earlier, Father Agustin Barruel in
his "Memory to serve the History of Jacobinism,"6 blamed Freemasonry
(confusing it with the Illuminati of Bavaria) of being instrumental of the
French Revolution (and also of being the heirs of the Templars). Although
Barruel did not find historical data to allow him to extend his attack
including the Jews (between the famous French revolutionaries there were no
Jews), other later authors were not so punctilious, and did not have
scruples in inventing what did not exist in reality.

Numerous books published before and after the Protocols maintain that
Judaism is at the origin of Freemasonry. We will mention Monsignor Leon
Meurin, Archbishop of Port-Louis, Mauritius, who published in 1893 a book
entitled "La Franc-Maçonnerie, Synagogue de Satan." The author says on page
260: "Everything in Freemasonry is fundamentally Jewish, exclusively Jewish,
enthusiastically Jewish, from the beginning to the end."7

The historical truth, that can be found in any serious work on the history
of Freemasonry, is that lodges were exclusively Christian in their origin,
and only with the creation of the Grand Lodge of London (1717) began the
process of de-Christianization, that culminated in 1813. At the time of the
union of the two rival Grand Lodges of England, when the United Grand Lodge
of England and Wales was created and rituals were again revised, eliminating
from them the last remaining Christian symbolisms, the institution
transformed into the universal vocation that we now know.

It is worthwhile, as a side commentary, to remember that until today some
Grand Lodges (especially in the Scandinavian countries that practice the
Swedish Rite) do not allow to admit people who do not profess the Christian
religion.

Furthermore, even in those countries where Jews and members of other
religions are welcome in Masonic lodges, other Masonic bodies are closed
before them, exclusively reserved to Christian Masons. As examples (there
are many others), I will mention the "high degrees" of the York rite, such
as the Red Cross of Constantine, the Knights of Malta and the Knights
Templar.

Some 

Re: [CTRL] Freemasonry Watch - Monitoring the Invisible Empire, the World's Largest Secret Society

[NSA]

LOLOLOL!!! This is some of the most hilarious baloney I've seen on the NET
yet!!!

Gadzooks Batman!!!

The site even has sanctimonious quotations from the Masons ancient nemesis
the Vatican as a source of "truth" about them.

All quite too funny for words!

If anyone out there is paranoid enough to give this crock any credence,
aside from seeing a psychiatrist, I would otherwise suggest perhaps getting
the "brothers" own version of their perception of themselves, their
philosophical musings, and how they relate to society as a whole.

http://masonicinfo.com





- Original Message -
From: "Kris Millegan" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 4:03 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Freemasonry Watch - Monitoring the Invisible Empire, the
World's Largest Secret Society


 from:
 http://www5.50megs.com/freemasonry/
 Click Here: A HREF="http://www5.50megs.com/freemasonry/"Freemasonry
Watch -
 Monitoring the  Invisible E./A
 -

 Monitoring the Invisible Empire, the World's Largest Secret Society

 The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we
are
 as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to
 secret oaths and to secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the
dangers
 of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed
 the dangers, which are cited to justify it.

 President John F. Kennedy
 Address to newspaper publishers, April 27, 1961.



 The 35th President of the United States of
 America moments before his martyrdom



 Baphomet making the sign of St. John








 Let the Oblations begin...








 Freemasonry is not a religion, Freemasonry is religion...








 We're just a charity, we're no different than your golf club or bowling
 league...








 Freemasonry is not a Secret Society, Freemasonry is a Society with
Secrets...








 Merry Mithras...








 Thugs In The Hall...








 Some of the Brethren Klowning around...








 Once a Mason, always a Mason...








 Homoculizing an Egregore, Traveling Men style...








 The Tri-Star System...








 The Grand Orient of Italy's Caput Mortuum...








 A Sirius Tracing Board...








 The Catechism's of the "Made" Men...







 That so many men, at so many separate points, should have acted in perfect
 concert in such business as they were engaged in, would scarcely be
believed,
 without compelling the inference of some distinct understanding existing
 between them. That they should have carried into effect the most difficult
 part of their undertaking, a scheme of the most daring and criminal
nature,
 in the midst of a large, intelligent and active population, without
thereby
 incurring the risk of a full conviction of their guilt and the consequent
 punishment, would be equally incredible, but for the light furnished by
the
 phraseology of the Masonic oath.




 Upon the first hasty and superficial glance, a feeling might arise of
 surprise that the frivolity of its unmeaning ceremonial, and ridiculous
 substitution of its fictions for the sacred history, should not long ago
 discredited the thing in the minds of good and sensible men everywhere.
Yet
 upon closer and more attentive examination, this first feeling vanishes,
and
 makes way for astonishment at the ingenious contrivance displayed in the
 construction of the whole machine. A more perfect agent for the devising
and
 execution of conspiracies against the church or state could scarcely have
 been conceived.




 President John Quincy Adams
 Letters on the Masonic Institution, 1847.







 Separation of Church and State, Masonic style...






 The Scottish Rite Seal






 The Supreme Council, Washington D.C.






 The Supreme Council Temple Room






 33rd Degree Scottish Rite
 Freemason Aleister Crowley






 33rd Degree Scottish Rite
 Freemason Albert Pike






 33rd Degree Scottish Rite
 Freemason J. Edgar Hoover






 O.T.O. Illuminary Helen
 Blavatsky's Occult Brooch






 The Swastika was the Letter
 "G" in the "Furthore" Ancient
 Northern European Runic Script!









 The Secret Handshake, Secret Password, Secret Word, Tubal-Cain, and the
 Nature of Freemasonry


 U.S. Masonic History 101


 The Morgan Affair and its Consequences


 Freemasonry's History of Racism


 U.K. Government Inquiry into Freemasonry and the Judicial System


 Britain's New Public Masonic Registry for all Freemasons in the Judicial
 System


 The Scotch-Irish's New Restrictions on "Private Societies" and the Police
 Boyz In The Hood
 Britain's National Association of University Teachers New Restrictions on
 Freemasonry
 Freemasonry and the Roman Catholic Church
 Proof that Freemasonry is lieing about Albert Pike and the Ku Klux Klan
 Columbian Priest who fought Freemasons beatified by Pope John Paul II
 Freemasonry's infiltration of the Vatican and it's ongoing War of
 Annihilation against Christianity
 The Ku Klux Klans Masonic Origins
 The Jack the Ripper Murders and 

[CTRL] Whispercode Knows - Who Pays Attention to TV and Radio

[NSA]

August 16, 2000

  Who Pays Attention to TV and Radio
  Commercials? Whispercode Knows

  By BERNARD STAMLER

They are everywhere, cluttering the radio dial and the broadcast and cable
television channels as never before: commercials, lots of them, jammed by
eager advertisers into what seems to be every available second of
programming time.

So is anyone actually paying attention? Of course, broadcasters say. But
what proof do they have?

Sure, there are the ratings, which are provided by services like Nielsen for
television and Arbitron for radio and which are supposed to track just how
many people are watching or listening to given programs at given times. But
the relatively small audience samples and traditional audience-measuring
techniques used by these rating services -- hand-written diaries, for
example,
or manually operated people meters, where participants push buttons when
they watch television -- are said by their detractors to be inexact and
quaintly
old-fashioned, unfairly favoring traditional networks to the detriment of
less-
established media outlets.

The result? Advertisers are clamoring for more precise data, and for the
technology that can provide it, says Lee Weinblatt.

And Mr. Weinblatt thinks he can oblige.

The chief executive of the Pretesting Company, based in Tenafly, N.J., Mr.
Weinblatt is no stranger to audience response measurement. For more than
a decade, his firm has been testing commercials for clients like Anheuser-
Busch, Burger King and Johnson  Johnson before they are broadcast,
determining whether viewers are likely to watch them or, instead, to switch
them off on sight. And now he says that he has developed something that
goes even further: a passive system that measures exactly who is in a room
or automobile at the precise moment a television or radio commercial is
broadcast.

The new system is called Whispercode, and unlike the firm's commercial
pretesting, which is conducted in specially outfitted locations, it operates
entirely within the home or automobile of its participants. The system
involves the encoding of commercials with inaudible, identifying signals;
test
participants need do nothing to activate it.

Instead, once transmitted, the encoded signals are automatically detected
by a small device worn by participants -- a bracelet, for example, or a
keychain -- that will function provided they are in the room or car where
the
television set or radio emitting the signal is located. The devices are
motion
sensitive, so a participant could not put one on the table and leave the
house. The device then sends a signal to a nearby recording box "the size of
a paperback book," according to Mr. Weinblatt, and the box records the fact
that the wearer was in the room when the commercial was broadcast. It even
records whether a viewer leaves the room in the middle of a commercial. The
device later downloads its data via modem to a central computer, which
makes it available to advertisers the next morning.

Mr. Weinblatt says the system will be in place in a "few thousand" homes by
year-end, and in thousands more by the end of 2001. Participants will be
chosen at random, but in a manner that is demographically accurate and
representative of a cross-section of American households, he said. And they
will be compensated for their involvement by various premiums or coupons --
no cash -- relating to products or services like dry cleaning, which are
probably not among those that will be advertised and measured via
Whispercode..

"With Whispercode, we will finally be providing our clients with a true
accounting of where their advertising money is going," he said.

Perhaps. Still, despite expressions of interest from various advertisers and
a
satellite broadcaster, no one has signed up for Whispercode, Mr. Weinblatt
acknowledged. And even Whispercode has its limitations; while the system
may provide an accurate gauge of a person's physical presence at the time
of a broadcast, any couch potato can tell you that that does not necessarily
mean that he or she is actually listening or watching. Or, for that matter,
whether he or she is even awake.

"That is a flaw inherent in any passive monitoring system," commented Anne
Elliot, a spokeswoman for Nielsen Media Research, the television rating
company. Active survey devices like Nielsen's people meter are therefore
better in many ways, she said, because they require participants to actually
do something to indicate when they start or stop viewing a show.

But people meters also have problems, because they are dependent on the
honesty of participants and their willingness to keep pushing buttons, among
other things. And so, despite their drawbacks, passive systems still "have
enough interest for people like us for us to investigate them, too," Ms.
Elliot
said.

Nielsen Media Research has in fact signed an agreement with Arbitron, the
radio survey company, to participate in a test of just such a system, the

Re: [CTRL] JESUITS: VATICAN: (was) The Illuminati and The Council on Foreign Relations

[NSA]

YOU MEAN: Aviary Bird Code and "Alien" presence ???
http://qtm.net/~geibdan/news2/aviary2.html


BTW - The book burning in Acts was conducted by the "heathen" ridding
themselves of their pagan SUPERSTITIOUS nonsense when they discovered of the
Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Likewise, but somewhat conversely, the Papacy, is a mongrel religion of
Gnosticism, Judaism and  Paganism, which sought to eradicate all manner of
books and knowledge including that of religion, philosophy, science, and the
BIBLE itself - which it perceived as heresy. Fundamentally, the papacy, is
in your face witchcraft.



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Subject: Re: [CTRL] JESUITS: VATICAN: (was) The Illuminati and The Council
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 The only thing I remember about Biship Fulton Sheen was he beat Milton
 Berle, the Star of NBC is his ratings..and one sermon, which I did
 watch but at the time I had other interests and I never did think Milton
 Berle was funny - slap stick and all.

 The Bishop spoke of alcoholism and said the reason a man sat down at the
 bar and drank himself to death, was because he had nothing he loved
 better than the bottle before him - which had taken control over his
 life.

 The above item written on Illumiinati and Hitler; I always wondered
 about the 1000 years in the Revelationsand the 1000 year
 Reichand one has to remember it was to be that Hitler would put the
 Hohenzollern/s back on the throne.

 Hitler and the Dome...how many domes do we have now?   Speer and his
 cathedral of light - beautiful site to behold - but what I liked was
 this.

 In Albert Speer's Diary,  October of 1954 - the Russian Guard took a
 Bible Watchword Calendar away from the 7 men at Spandau - which ws in
 possession of the Baron - for the guard said it was coded -for instance,
 arms meant armament, etc.like the word supplies, supplies in
 Acts.or Paul the Aged, a name taken by the old Hells Fire Club
 member Paul Whtiehead - code names.

 Book entitled 7 Men of Spandau speaks too of bird codes for those guys
 got a lot of mesages to their family - but then,  America was softening
 io the Nazis for we needed something from them - guess what we needed?

 The Russians had their Nazi Scientitsts, only our Nazi Scientists knew
 more than their Nazi scientists.

 When one reads this version of the Illuminati Story you see where Hitler
 got the Masons bu he also got the Rosicrucians.to each his own, and
 when in Rome do as Romans.

 Hitler according to some was Jewish.   Like Barry Goldwater was John
 Birch, was jewish and the old coconut squad worked overtime to prove
 this - Hitler had a phoney name..like Clinton, Ford, and even Jesse
 Ventura - these were not their real names..what is that in the bible
 I Will Give You a New Name?

 Did Jesse ever have his name changed legally for to run on a ticket in
 Ohio - well you just do not run under a stage name.Bill Clinton -
 real name Blythe?   I wonder - for are all these people manchurian
 candidates?

 The Jesuits I have known have been brilliant menG. Gordn Liddy had
 Jesuit traiing -

 So this item Hitler wants to wipe out Masons, Jews, and this stuff
 sounds more like New World Order than anything else for this man was
 trying to do unto Europe, what we did unto the USAone story has
 it there were thousands of bibles in a room, ready to be burnt..now
 book burning originaed in Acts 19 in the Bible which is a Key reference
 to our Space Program, the little Princess and the bible code - Apollo
 the Craft that came to naught?

 Me what I think?   Lost treasures in the bible, lots of gold in Ezra and
 paintings...golden apples in a silver frame - art involved, gold,
 oil, wine, numbers, drugs, and the perfect book to be used by Mafia
 land.

 The Catholic Church has taken the worst beating; and Hitler feared the
 Pope; like the UN, he wanted his own religion and he wanted to keep the
 race pure - then look at Mussolini and say he does not look like movie
 star Sophia Loren.take a look at that broad and remember her family
 married into his famly.

 Prior to advent of Hitler books on the occult, drugs, and pornography
 saturated Germany - like America today, who wouldn't want this place
 cleaned up - but you do not send in Larry Flynt who uses pornography as
 front for their drug running, to do the job.

 You wonder who and what created Hitler.Bible says they will come out
 of prisons to rule over you, and God sets the Solitary in
 familieis.he made the members in private - now this is a Mafia Made
 Man who got his Bones I think they call it...one like old Assassins
 who longed for paradise - a promise Hassas made to all his initiates for
 once taken to this beautiful garden like in Song of Solomon, drugs and
 roses - and oh beautiful women - it ws virtually a brothel.the
 initiates would do 

[CTRL] JESUITS: VATICAN: (was) The Illuminati and The Council on Foreign Relations

[NSA]

The "ILLUMINATI" et al is a VATICAN invention, concocted by the "Storm
Troopers" of the pope, also called the JESUITS, who first styled themselves
the "Illuminated Ones," or Los Alumbrados.

 The well-known name in conspiracy circles, Adam Weishapt is attributed as
the founder of the Illuminati and was in fact trained by the Roman Catholic
Jesuit Order, and feigned the appearance of a "rogue" priest from the Order,
as is their practice, for the purposes of establishing an anti-monarch,
anti-governmental, anti-religious movement that would either crush the
Vatican’s opposition in Europe, or completely infiltrate, then control, all
sectors of the ruling class.

This included attacks and infiltration into, but not limited to, Jews,
Protestants, the Protestant Monarchies, Freemasonry, and its erstwhile
millennial nemesis, the Russian Orthodox Church. With the latter, they
succeeded eventually with the establishment of the Russian Revolution, which
suppressed, persecuted, tortured, imprisoned, or killed its members and
clergy. If you compare the ritualism fro example, of the popes and the
Soviet Communists, they are a mirror image, even down to embalming their
particular brand of “popes.”

The Encyclopaedia Britannica Vol. XIII, page 1011, says that the Society Of
Jesus is "a Roman Catholic order of clerks regular, founded by St. Ignatius
of Loyola in 1540."

The same document refers to the Jesuit order as being "a principal agent of
the Counter Reformation" (1973 edition). The Britannica also tells us in
Vol. XI, page 1096 that the Illuminati were "organized along Jesuit lines."

So then, this is not a wild notion of any one man. It is undeniable history,
available to anyone who chooses to pick up an Encyclopaedia Britannica.

Names such as: Marx, Engels, Stalin, Lenin, and Fidel Castro, were not such
trained and guided by Jesuits?

Communism was also a useful Jesuit invention, in that, it provided a
bogyman, a common foe, by which the Vatican would rally the West to its
anti-godless crusade in later years. Hitler of course, was touted by the
Vatican and its prelates as the great Western Messiah that would rid the
world of the devil Communism and its supposed sponsors the "Christ-killer"
Jews. The tactic worked with grandiose success.

Said Adolf Hitler: “Above all I have learned from the Jesuits. And so DID
LENIN too … The world has never known anything quite so splendid as the
hierarchical structure of the Catholic church. There were quite a few things
I simply appropriated from the Jesuits for the use of the Party.”  (Manfred
Barthel, The Jesuits: History and legend of the Society of Jesus 1984. p.
266)

Walter Schellenberg, former chief of Nazi counter-espionage made this
statement: "The S.S. organization had been constituted by Himmler according
to the principles of the Jesuit Order. Their regulations and the Spiritual
Exercises prescribed by Ignatius of Loyola were the model Himmler tried to
copy exactly. Himmler's title as supreme chief of the S.S. was to be the
equivalent of the Jesuits' 'General' and the whole structure was a close
imitation of the Catholic Church's hierarchical order."

Franz von Papen, another powerful Nazi, who was instrumental in setting up
the concordat between Germany and the Vatican had this to say: "The Third
Reich is the first world power which not only acknowledges but also puts
into practice the high principles of the papacy." If you are not aware of
what a concordat is, a concordat is an agreement between the Vatican and a
government. As far as the Vatican is concerned, that government that signed
the concordat has now become a part of the government of God, and the
Vatican fully intends to stabilize that government, give it divine
protection, and give it international protection.

Hitler was also ready to discuss with the Bishop his views on the Jewish
question: "As for the Jews, I am just carrying on with the same policy which
the Catholic church has adopted for fifteen hundred years, when it has
regarded the Jews as dangerous and pushed them into ghettos etc., because it
knew what the Jews were like. I don't put race above religion, but I do see
the danger in the representatives of this race for Church and State, and
perhaps I am doing Christianity (VATICAN) a great service." (The Nazi
Persecution of the Churches" by J.S. Conway, Pgs. 25, 26  162.)

Hitler’s version of human history was essentially one of religious
mythology. He believed that a pure German people had lived in an early
Garden of Eden. But this pure race had been attacked by the Devil, made
incarnate in the form of the Jew. Indeed, he said explicitly that "the Jew
is the personification of the Devil and of all evil."

And thus he reached his conclusion that in fighting the Devil he was doing
the work of Almighty God.

In Hitler's theology, a different original sin replaced the once committed
in the biblical Garden of Eden. "The mixture of the races is the original
sin [Erdsunde] of this world," he 

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