Re: Date time problem bookworm, fvwm....

2023-10-22 Thread tomas
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 01:51:41PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: [...] > Originally it did only put out text in an xterm, but then i shamelessly > exploited code from the exploitation chain xpppload <- xisdnload <- xload > to give it a histogram in ain additional separate window. Now this one

Re: Date time problem bookworm, fvwm....

2023-10-22 Thread tomas
-ne "$online " ; dc -e "5k $NOW $FULL / p" ; date +"%F%a%n %T" The fun part is convincing fvwm to do its thing: # Style for bat, clock: Style bat !Borders,!Handles,!Title #

Re: Date time problem bookworm, fvwm....

2023-10-22 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-10-22 at 07:24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > I better not tell. My clock is a... shell script in a tiny Xterm > which also shows my battery status. Ooo, that sounds interesting. I don't currently have a laptop, so the battery-status part wouldn't currently apply, but this sounds like

Re: Date time problem bookworm, fvwm....

2023-10-22 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > My clock is a... shell script in a tiny Xterm which > also shows my battery status. My digital clock with date display is a C program which mainly watches the network traffic. It even has an own date format ("A0" = 2000, now is "C3") which has an odd history

Re: Date time problem bookworm, fvwm....

2023-10-22 Thread tomas
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:16:25AM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Charlie wrote: > > I removed the clock from the > > FVWM task bar and Gkrellm now dis[pays the right time. So a fix > > of sorts with which I can live. > > Congrats. :)) > > > &g

Re: Date time problem bookworm, fvwm....

2023-10-22 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Charlie wrote: > I removed the clock from the > FVWM task bar and Gkrellm now dis[pays the right time. So a fix > of sorts with which I can live. Congrats. :)) > being a bit long in > the tooth to start relearning another window manager. I'm using fvwm since the las

Re: Date time problem bookworm, fvwm....

2023-10-22 Thread Charlie
ript" i'd say that the promised 1-second > waiting period of "PeriodicTasks" is heavily shortened by the clock > peculiarity. > > > > Managed to get date and time right with the ntp commands, set > > location etc., on Gkrellm at least. But the fvwm clock had fro

Re: Date time problem bookworm, fvwm....

2023-10-22 Thread Thomas Schmitt
o get date and time right with the ntp commands, set location > etc., on Gkrellm at least. But the fvwm clock had frozen up and stopped. That's quite normal with periodic jobs when the system time gets changed backward. Possibly the clock would come back to life after the last shown time is rea

Date time problem bookworm, fvwm....

2023-10-22 Thread Charlie
Hello All, Have a a Dell Vostro laptop: Bookworm up to date and upgraded operating system to that state. Using FVWM window manager. The date on that system is one day in advance and one hour late. Not terrible, However after a short period 100% of one

Re: can't run fvwm

2022-02-02 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: PS: fvwm suggests using "-replace", but it is useless, as it just gives you a new login window I tried again, and now -replace works.

Re: FVWM title bar information......

2021-02-06 Thread Charlie
On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 08:00:03 -0500 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 09:46:15AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > I think this is called "shading" [...] > > > > Glad it helped. Actually, I was unsure myself, because, although > &g

Re: FVWM title bar information......

2021-02-05 Thread tomas
On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 08:00:03AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > It has to be enabled in your configuration. The default config for > the current version of fvwm has it, but if you're using a config > that you created for an older version (like I am), you may not even kn

Re: FVWM title bar information......

2021-02-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 09:46:15AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > I think this is called "shading" [...] > > Glad it helped. Actually, I was unsure myself, because, although > I do use fvwm, I somehow managed to make shading inaccessible to > me (I don

Re: FVWM title bar information......

2021-02-05 Thread Charlie
nformation I found it [...] > > Glad it helped. Actually, I was unsure myself, because, although > I do use fvwm, I somehow managed to make shading inaccessible to > me (I don't use it). Not having the time to research properly, I > still decided to take the risk. > > In t

Re: FVWM title bar information......

2021-02-05 Thread Charlie
On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 19:39:01 -0600 David Wright wrote: > On Fri 05 Feb 2021 at 09:23:43 (+1100), Charlie wrote: > > Using FVWM on Debian Bullseye. > > > > Sometimes [too often] I click on something and reduce a terminal > > window to just the title bar alone. &g

Re: FVWM title bar information......

2021-02-05 Thread tomas
On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 10:18:44AM +1100, Charlie wrote: > On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 23:34:42 +0100 > wrote: [...] > > I think this is called "shading" [...] > Thank you Tomas, with that information I found it [...] Glad it helped. Actually, I was unsure myself, because,

Re: FVWM title bar information......

2021-02-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 05 Feb 2021 at 09:23:43 (+1100), Charlie wrote: > Using FVWM on Debian Bullseye. > > Sometimes [too often] I click on something and reduce a terminal window > to just the title bar alone. > > Infuriating, because it catches me unawares and I don't realise what

Re: FVWM title bar information......

2021-02-04 Thread Charlie
On Thu, 4 Feb 2021 23:34:42 +0100 wrote: > On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 09:23:43AM +1100, Charlie wrote: > > > > From my keyboard: > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > Using FVWM on Debian Bullseye. > > > > Sometimes [too often] I click on

Re: FVWM title bar information......

2021-02-04 Thread tomas
On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 09:23:43AM +1100, Charlie wrote: > > From my keyboard: > > Hello Everyone, > > Using FVWM on Debian Bullseye. > > Sometimes [too often] I click on something and reduce a terminal window > to just the title bar alone. I th

FVWM title bar information......

2021-02-04 Thread Charlie
From my keyboard: Hello Everyone, Using FVWM on Debian Bullseye. Sometimes [too often] I click on something and reduce a terminal window to just the title bar alone. Infuriating, because it catches me unawares and I don't realise what I did. Googling every time

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-23 Thread Nicolas George
Reco (12020-12-21): > You're right. Xorg is a server, any window manager on top of it is > merely an X client (a special one, but an interchangeable client). > Wayland is not a server, it's a set of protocols. An implementation of > these protocols inherently provides a set of functions that are

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-22 Thread Javier Barroso
El mar., 22 dic. 2020 14:07, Greg Wooledge escribió: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 08:12:28PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Last I read wayland had serious accessibility problems. How does fvwm > > work with screen readers and similar accessibility items and is fvwm > > goin

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-22 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 08:12:28PM -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Last I read wayland had serious accessibility problems. How does fvwm > work with screen readers and similar accessibility items and is fvwm > going the way of xWindows? I have no experience with screen readers, and ve

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Jude DaShiell
Last I read wayland had serious accessibility problems. How does fvwm work with screen readers and similar accessibility items and is fvwm going the way of xWindows? On Mon, 21 Dec 2020, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:33:39 > From: Greg Wooledge > To: de

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:33:39PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:12:05PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > Makes you wonder how long it [X.org] will be around; I guess a fair while > > > though. > > > > I can't see why it'd need to be around for very long,

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:12:05PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Makes you wonder how long it [X.org] will be around; I guess a fair while > > though. > > I can't see why it'd need to be around for very long, given that it can > be replaced by Wayland + Xwayland. So Xorg is only useful to the

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Nicolas George
Stefan Monnier (12020-12-21): > I can't see why it'd need to be around for very long, given that it can > be replaced by Wayland + Xwayland. So Xorg is only useful to the extent > that it supports hardware that Wayland doesn't. Quoting

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Makes you wonder how long it will be around; I guess a fair while > though. > [1] https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/30/x_server_lead_maintainer_declares/ I can't see why it'd need to be around for very long, given that it can be replaced by Wayland + Xwayland. So Xorg is only useful to the

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Tixy
Sorry, quoting got messed up on my last email, fixed version below (I hope)... On Mon, 2020-12-21 at 08:15 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 06:32:20PM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote: [...] > > As an user of FVWM (desktop box) and xfce (laptop) I feel little

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Tixy
On Mon, 2020-12-21 at 08:15 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 06:32:20PM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote: [...] > As an user of FVWM (desktop box) and xfce (laptop) I feel little > lost. > In particular it is not clear to me if it will be possible to use > FVWM / >

Re: Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
u just don't get many to choose from. > As an user of FVWM (desktop box) and xfce (laptop) I feel little lost. > In particular it is not clear to me if it will be possible to use FVWM / > xfce on top (X)Wayland? > Will be possible to use emacsclient with ssh X tunneling? See <http

Future of X, fvwm and wayland

2020-12-20 Thread Kamil Jońca
It seems, that main graphical UI base will be Wayland instead of X Window. If I understand correctly Wayland has no separate window manager process. As an user of FVWM (desktop box) and xfce (laptop) I feel little lost. In particular it is not clear to me if it will be possible to use FVWM / xfce

Re: Lag clavier avec fvwm

2020-05-16 Thread Francois Meyer
Le 15/05/2020 à 20:55, Basile Starynkevitch a écrit : On 5/15/20 7:36 PM, Francois Meyer wrote: Bonjour à tous Avec testing, sous fvwm, j'observe un manque de réactivité du clavier quand je tape vite. Ce que j'ai tapé s'affiche avec un peu de retard. Le retard est limité et irrégulier

Re: Lag clavier avec fvwm

2020-05-15 Thread Basile Starynkevitch
On 5/15/20 7:36 PM, Francois Meyer wrote: Bonjour à tous Avec testing, sous fvwm, j'observe un manque de réactivité du clavier quand je tape vite. Ce que j'ai tapé s'affiche avec un peu de retard. Le retard est limité et irrégulier. C'est assez perturbant. Cela ne se produit que sous fvwm

Lag clavier avec fvwm

2020-05-15 Thread Francois Meyer
Bonjour à tous Avec testing, sous fvwm, j'observe un manque de réactivité du clavier quand je tape vite. Ce que j'ai tapé s'affiche avec un peu de retard. Le retard est limité et irrégulier. C'est assez perturbant. Cela ne se produit que sous fvwm, pas sous gnome. Même en choisisssant gnome

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-10-30 Thread David Wright
ait continues to work (even with its > > bug). > > > > 1) The xterms' arguments, and (for some of them) the commands they run, > >are computed in the shell script that is ~/.xsession. While some of > >these might be simple to perform in fvwm-ese, not all of th

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-24 Thread Nicolas George
nts, and (for some of them) the commands they run, >are computed in the shell script that is ~/.xsession. While some of >these might be simple to perform in fvwm-ese, not all of them are, >and I'm not particularly well versed in fvwm-ese. I'm reasonably >competent in bash diale

RE: where does fvwm get its xterm icon? [SOLVED]

2018-09-23 Thread Kleene, Steven (kleenesj)
On Mon Sep 10 08:47:39 EDT 2018, I wrote: > I can't figure out where fvwm is getting the xpm icon for an xterm. ... > In Debian 7, calling null.xpm gives me no xpm icon, just a title bar labeled > "syrano". I prefer this because it's very small. I now have this all working as

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-23 Thread David Wright
On Sat 22 Sep 2018 at 14:37:14 (+), Kleene, Steven (kleenesj) wrote: > On September 21, 2018 11:35 PM, David Wright wrote: > > >> That sounds like a different problem: a race between fvwm and the > >> xterms over which order they start in. The manner in which

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-22 Thread David Wright
On Sat 22 Sep 2018 at 07:55:12 (+0200), Nicolas George wrote: > David Wright (2018-09-21): > > That sounds like a different problem: a race between fvwm and the > > xterms over which order they start in. The manner in which the race > > affects me is that my (open) xterm

RE: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-22 Thread Kleene, Steven (kleenesj)
On September 21, 2018 11:35 PM, David Wright wrote: >> That sounds like a different problem: a race between fvwm and the >> xterms over which order they start in. The manner in which the race >> affects me is that my (open) xterms get mapped all over the place >> inst

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-21 Thread Nicolas George
David Wright (2018-09-21): > That sounds like a different problem: a race between fvwm and the > xterms over which order they start in. The manner in which the race > affects me is that my (open) xterms get mapped all over the place > instead of where I want them placed. The fix is s

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-21 Thread David Wright
On Thu 20 Sep 2018 at 01:39:07 (+), Kleene, Steven (kleenesj) wrote: > On Mon Sep 10 08:47:39 EDT 2018, I wrote: > > >> I can't figure out where fvwm is getting the xpm icon for an xterm. > > On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:27 PM, David Wright replied: > > &

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-20 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 07:18:40AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 08:44:10PM +, Kleene, Steven (kleenesj) wrote: > > [...] > > > In fact I obsessively viewed all 386 xpm files on the whole system. None > > other than /usr/share/pixmaps/mini.xterm_48x48.xpm matched

RE: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-19 Thread Kleene, Steven (kleenesj)
On Mon Sep 10 08:47:39 EDT 2018, I wrote: >> I can't figure out where fvwm is getting the xpm icon for an xterm. On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 2:27 PM, David Wright replied: > ... If you look at the man page, it explains the > old option -n and says "If no suitable ico

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-19 Thread David Wright
As you seem to be having trouble, here's a fuller answer than the one I posted before. On Mon 17 Sep 2018 at 12:05:35 (+), Kleene, Steven (kleenesj) wrote: > I can't figure out where fvwm is getting the xpm icon for an xterm. The > issue started when I upgraded from Debian v7 (fvwm 1:

RE: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-18 Thread Kleene, Steven (kleenesj)
] Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 2:15 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: Kleene, Steven (kleenesj) Subject: Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon? Hi, Kleene, Steven wrote: > Yes. If I put the cursor in the little screenshot and type a command > (echoed in a font too small to read), it does ex

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
l icon and to deactivate the shell as long as the window is iconized ? Style "XTerm" IconOverride Style "XTerm" Icon display.xpm (The name of the .xpm file may be chosen freely, of course.) Iirc, it was not necessary to restart fvwm (although this

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-17 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 08:44:10PM +, Kleene, Steven (kleenesj) wrote: [...] > In fact I obsessively viewed all 386 xpm files on the whole system. None > other than /usr/share/pixmaps/mini.xterm_48x48.xpm matched the icon > displayed. Not

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-17 Thread David Wright
On Tue 18 Sep 2018 at 09:26:29 (+1000), Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 08:44:10PM +, Kleene, Steven (kleenesj) wrote: > > On Mon Sep 10 08:47:39 EDT 2018, I wrote: > > > > >> I can't figure out where fvwm is getting the xpm icon for an xter

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 08:44:10PM +, Kleene, Steven (kleenesj) wrote: > On Mon Sep 10 08:47:39 EDT 2018, I wrote: > > >> I can't figure out where fvwm is getting the xpm icon for an xterm. > >> ... > >> I have this in ~/.fvwm/config: > >> Styl

RE: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-17 Thread Kleene, Steven (kleenesj)
On Mon Sep 10 08:47:39 EDT 2018, I wrote: >> I can't figure out where fvwm is getting the xpm icon for an xterm. >> ... >> I have this in ~/.fvwm/config: >> Style "XTerm" Icon null.xpm, SloppyFocus, IconBox 200x200-1+8 >> where null.xpm is intended

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-17 Thread David Wright
On Mon 17 Sep 2018 at 12:05:35 (+), Kleene, Steven (kleenesj) wrote: > I can't figure out where fvwm is getting the xpm icon for an xterm. The > issue started when I upgraded from Debian v7 (fvwm 1:2.5.30) to Debian v9 > (fvwm 1:2.6.7-3). In both cases fvwm-icons was also installe

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-17 Thread Nicolas George
Kleene, Steven (kleenesj) (2018-09-17): > I can't figure out where fvwm is getting the xpm icon for an xterm. AFAIK, Fvwm get most windows icons (as opposed to menu / button icons) from the applications themselves. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-17 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Kleene, Steve wrote: > I have this in ~/.fvwm/config: > Style "XTerm" Icon null.xpm, SloppyFocus, IconBox 200x200-1+8 > where null.xpm is intended to call /usr/share/pixmaps/fvwm/null.xpm, a > zero-byte file I created. Maybe fvwm is not happy with the zero size. W

where does fvwm get its xterm icon?

2018-09-17 Thread Kleene, Steven (kleenesj)
I can't figure out where fvwm is getting the xpm icon for an xterm. The issue started when I upgraded from Debian v7 (fvwm 1:2.5.30) to Debian v9 (fvwm 1:2.6.7-3). In both cases fvwm-icons was also installed. I have this in ~/.fvwm/config: Style "XTerm" Icon null.xpm, SloppyFocu

Re: fvwm -- undeserved BAD PRESS

2018-02-27 Thread David Wright
On Tue 27 Feb 2018 at 03:58:30 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: > I have days (e actually hours) of experience with fvwm. > Experts () are telling me that significant mods to config > files *MANDATORY*. bull!! > > Can tweaking config file(s) be profitable? -- Sure! >

Re: fvwm -- undeserved BAD PRESS

2018-02-27 Thread John Hasler
Richard Owlett writes: > I have days (e actually hours) of experience with fvwm. > Experts () are telling me that significant mods to config files > *MANDATORY*. bull!! > Can tweaking config file(s) be profitable? -- Sure! > Are they necessary? -- *NO WAY*! Actual

fvwm -- undeserved BAD PRESS

2018-02-27 Thread Richard Owlett
I have days (e actually hours) of experience with fvwm. Experts () are telling me that significant mods to config files *MANDATORY*. bull!! Can tweaking config file(s) be profitable? -- Sure! Are they necessary? -- *NO WAY*! The more I ask for meek user info (and receive *GEEK

Re: An *operator's guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread David Wright
On Mon 26 Feb 2018 at 20:24:28 (+0100), Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Richard Owlett wrote: > > Without *ANY* customization, how much more can fvwm do for me? > > Without any customization by anybody it is quite useless. Lest this give the wrong impression to someone co

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Charlie S
On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 10:17:46 -0600 John Hasler sent: > BTW you should be editing ~/.fvwm/config if you are using the current > release. The 2 was dropped from fvwm2 a long time ago and all fvwm > related files placed under ~/.fvwm with config being the default > config

Re: An *operator's guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Richard Owlett
On 02/26/2018 01:24 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: Without *ANY* customization, how much more can fvwm do for me? Without any customization by anybody it is quite useless. *ROFL* It may have aesthetic problems. BUT My real world needs (not glittzy desires) were handled

Re: An *operator's guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: > Without *ANY* customization, how much more can fvwm do for me? Without any customization by anybody it is quite useless. With reasonable customization by an initial ~/.fvwm2rc and some additions by myself, it does for me: - Add handles to the windows so i can m

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread David Wright
On Mon 26 Feb 2018 at 12:42:25 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 02/26/2018 10:54 AM, Michelle Konzack wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Am 2018-02-26 hackte Richard Owlett in die Tasten: > >>I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration: > >&

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Richard Owlett
On 02/26/2018 12:12 PM, Curt wrote: On 2018-02-26, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: Ahh, but a Flocken Elektrowagen might today may be more functional in some circumstances than a Rolls Royce. http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/programming/useful/fvwm/index.html

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Richard Owlett
On 02/26/2018 10:54 AM, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hi, Am 2018-02-26 hackte Richard Owlett in die Tasten: I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration: e.g. <http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html> I'm using almost a default install changing only the wal

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Curt
On 2018-02-26, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: > > Ahh, but a Flocken Elektrowagen might today may be more functional in > some circumstances than a Rolls Royce. > http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/programming/useful/fvwm/index.html I only read the nice discus

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread John Hasler
Richard Owlett writes: > I remember 026's as the normal input device and a UART was square > inches of a double sided board. So do I. I kept on learning. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Richard Owlett
an expired certificate. Already had them bookmarked. They, like <http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html>, might be compared to an _Owner's Manual". I'm looking for something more like an _Operator's Manual_. The target audience of what I'm looking for would have no need to edit .fvwm

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Richard Owlett
On 02/26/2018 10:17 AM, John Hasler wrote: Richard Owlett writes: Already had them bookmarked. They, like <http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html>, might be compared to an _Owner's Manual". I'm looking for something more like an _Operator's Manual_. The target audience

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi, Am 2018-02-26 hackte Richard Owlett in die Tasten: > I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration: > e.g. <http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html> > > I'm using almost a default install changing only the wallpaper and the > default font si

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Steve McIntyre
n expired certificate. > >Already had them bookmarked. >They, like <http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html>, might be >compared to an _Owner's Manual". I'm looking for something more like an >_Operator's Manual_. > >The target audience of what I'm looking for

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread John Hasler
Richard Owlett writes: > Already had them bookmarked. They, like > <http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html>, might be compared to an > _Owner's Manual". I'm looking for something more like an _Operator's > Manual_. > The target audience of what I'm looking for

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Richard Owlett
On 02/26/2018 09:23 AM, David Wright wrote: On Mon 26 Feb 2018 at 08:15:44 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration: e.g. <http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html> I'm using almost a default install changing only the wal

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread David Wright
On Mon 26 Feb 2018 at 08:15:44 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: > I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration: > e.g. <http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html> > > I'm using almost a default install changing only the wallpaper and > the defaul

Re: An *operator's guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Richard Owlett
On 02/26/2018 08:54 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html That's a quick tour through a few gestures of fvwm. Maybe it gives you some ideas for playing with the configuration. But obviously you want something different. "not s

Re: An *operator's guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: > http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html That's a quick tour through a few gestures of fvwm. Maybe it gives you some ideas for playing with the configuration. But obviously you want something different. > "not seeing the trees for the leaves" Ok

Re: An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Curt
On 2018-02-26, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: > I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration: > e.g. <http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html> > > I'm using almost a default install changing only the wallpaper and the > default f

An *operator's" guide to fvwm?

2018-02-26 Thread Richard Owlett
I am finding lots of information on detailed low level configuration: e.g. <http://zensites.net/fvwm/guide/index.html> I'm using almost a default install changing only the wallpaper and the default font size for menus. I'm getting swamped by too much fine detail. It's not only

Re: [RESOLVED] -- Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-26 Thread Curt
On 2018-02-24, Richard Owlett <rowl...@cloud85.net> wrote: > > I had used netinst to do a base command line only install followed by > doing "apt-get install fvwm". > > Didn't work. It needed "apt-get install xorg lightdm". It worked perfectly. -- “Be

[RESOLVED] -- Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-24 Thread Richard Owlett
On 02/23/2018 05:46 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: History I run MATE, but to paraphrase a restaurant - "I want Debian MyWay" ;) It was suggested that I wanted what KDE calls "activities". It looked promising. I installed it. It suffers from featuritis. fvwm-crystal was also sugge

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 09:57:12AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > I just did "apt-get install xorg". > Now typing "startx" at command line does give me a fvwm screen. So fvwm is running already (more below) > How

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread Brian
On Fri 23 Feb 2018 at 09:57:12 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > I just did "apt-get install xorg". > Now typing "startx" at command line does give me a fvwm screen. Fine. Now use the mouse (click) to get a menu. > However typing "fvwm" at command line gives

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread John Hasler
David Wright writes: > It doesn't mean that if you install a package designed to run on X > that apt will immediately install all the packages required for a > functional X system. Fvwm does not depend on an X server because it might be running on a headless machine while an X server i

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread Brian
it, which is not a necessary part > of X. So not a bad omen in itself. xorg depends on xinit. > > When I had initially done "apt-get install fvwm", should some > > portion of the Xsystem been installed? > > Yes, I'd venture your X server is missing. To answer th

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread David Wright
On Fri 23 Feb 2018 at 10:23:53 (-0600), David Wright wrote: > > #!/bin/sh > exec /usr/bin/fvwm >| $HOME/.fvwm-stdout 2>| $HOME/.fvwm-stderr & > WMPID=$! This line got wrapped; sorry. > xterm … > xterm … > swisswatch -title local -nosha

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread David Wright
;It was suggested that I wanted what KDE calls "activities". > >>It looked promising. I installed it. It suffers from featuritis. > >>fvwm-crystal was also suggested. When installed it was in some > >>sense "cleaner" but still too busy. Launched f

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread David Wright
uot;. > >It looked promising. I installed it. It suffers from featuritis. > >fvwm-crystal was also suggested. When installed it was in some > >sense "cleaner" but still too busy. Launched fvwm which had been > >installed by the fvwm-crystal package. > > > >Th

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread Richard Owlett
fers from featuritis. fvwm-crystal was also suggested. When installed it was in some sense "cleaner" but still too busy. Launched fvwm which had been installed by the fvwm-crystal package. The problem It had "inherited" configuration items from fvwm-crystal. The web pag

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread tomas
e no X installed. Package xserver-xorg, I'd guess... > I tried issuing "startx" itself and received "command not found". Hm. This one is in package xinit, which is not a necessary part of X. So not a bad omen in itself. > When I had initially done "apt-get install fvwm&q

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread Richard Owlett
On 02/23/2018 05:46 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: History I run MATE, but to paraphrase a restaurant - "I want Debian MyWay" ;) It was suggested that I wanted what KDE calls "activities". It looked promising. I installed it. It suffers from featuritis. fvwm-crystal was also sugge

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread John Hasler
Richard Owlett writes: > I rebooted expecting a minimal fvwm display. I got a command line. I > found that though a "/home/richard/.fvwm" directory had been created, > it was empty. I couldn't find copies of what files should have been > there on initial first run. Only

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread tomas
e in > > > > https://sources.debian.org/data/main/f/fvwm/1:2.6.7-3/default-config/config > > which is the download view of > > https://sources.debian.org/src/fvwm/1:2.6.7-3/default-config/config/ > > > > It looks like a clean starting point for modification and enha

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 02:21:11PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > tracker.debian.org tells me that there is a default configuration file in > https://sources.debian.org/data/main/f/fvwm/1:2.6.7-3/default-config/config > which is the download view of > https://sour

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, tracker.debian.org tells me that there is a default configuration file in https://sources.debian.org/data/main/f/fvwm/1:2.6.7-3/default-config/config which is the download view of https://sources.debian.org/src/fvwm/1:2.6.7-3/default-config/config/ It looks like a clean starting point

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Richard Owlett wrote: > fvwm-crystal was also suggested. When installed it was in some sense > "cleaner" but still too busy. Launched fvwm which had been installed by the > fvwm-crystal package. There's not much configuration in the fvwm package of Debian, indeed. >

Re: Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 05:46:40AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > I rebooted expecting a minimal fvwm display. I got a command line. > I found that though a "/home/richard/.fvwm" directory had been > created, it was empty. I c

Problems with clean install of fvwm

2018-02-23 Thread Richard Owlett
History I run MATE, but to paraphrase a restaurant - "I want Debian MyWay" ;) It was suggested that I wanted what KDE calls "activities". It looked promising. I installed it. It suffers from featuritis. fvwm-crystal was also suggested. When installed it was in some sense &qu

fvwm resources, was Re: [likely out of luck] was -- Re: Using MATE's workspaces effectively

2018-02-17 Thread David Wright
On Sat 17 Feb 2018 at 09:01:07 (-0600), John Hasler wrote: > Richard Owlett writes: > > A sketchy preliminary web search doses not look promising. I'll > > initially experiment with KDE. Is there a recommended site that gives > > a good description of why and how one woul

Re: Fvwm.... this actually didn't work........

2014-10-08 Thread lee
Charlie aries...@ipstarmail.com.au writes: Further to my first post. I noticed I had an extra line under my ~/.fvwm/menudefs.hook: # # This is the Debian menu call as suggested by Vincent W Chen. # Debian Menu

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