Sophie wrote:
Scott Carr wrote:
- is the english one still the master to follow for changes ?
Yes, that is the direction that is being planned.
So is there something worked on currently in english ?
I'm going to inform the other NLC members concerned.
Linda Worthington at OOoAuthors is working on
Daniel Carrera wrote:
Sophie Gautier wrote:
Thanks for the information, but the Install Guide should contain Windows
/Linux/Mac installation.
Yes. An official install guide should include all official platforms. Even
if, for example, Linux and Solaris users know how to do it.
Could it be put
Daniel Carrera wrote:
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
I don't think there is going to be a Mac version of OOo2.0 any time soon,
is there?
The way things are looking, we may never have one.
Sophie, Jean, what would you say to providing install guides for
NeoOffice/J ? They may not be official, but Neo/J
Jim Harris wrote:
I agree most strongly.
I signed up to help long ago, and since then I have found it just too
frustrating and too much overhead learning where everything is and how
it works.
I finally gave up.
Hey, Jim!
If you want to help write documentation, we're doing it now at OOoAuthors.
It worked, it worked!! Thanks to Willy's instructions and my membership in
the project being set up, my previously-generated key got me through.
Tunnel established!!
WOO HOO!!
/jean happy dances
Now to find time for the next step in this process. :-)
Cheers, Jean
Shaun McDonald wrote:
Now that we have decided that commas shouldn't be at the end of line(?).
Should each line begin with a capital letter?
This again is a matter of style. The past convention in the several
variations of English that I'm familiar with specifies capital letters if
the list item
GRS wrote:
Should I put the setup guide on-line in spite of it being incomplete and
...? See issue http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=37513
I think it's generally a good idea to make draft docs available, as long as
they are clearly marked DRAFT, as you suggested doing. (BTW, I
Diane Mackay wrote:
Thank you for all of your wonderful feedback on questions like these,
Jean. ...
I appreciate reading your comments, even
though I have seldom made outward comments about it.
Thanks for all you do for OpenOffice.org!
I even thought to say thank you after your excellent work at
should also set up an account on our website so you can start doing
work. To help you get started we have written a getting started page,
http://www.oooauthors.org/groups/authors/userguide/gettingstarted
I look forward to meeting you at Authors.
Cheers,
Jean Hollis Weber
GRS wrote:
Daniel Carrera wrote:
Have you thought of contributing at OOoAuthors ?
http://oooauthors.org
Things must be bad when you come here recruiting. Please avoid doing this.
Excuse me, I was under the impression that OOoAuthors is where most of the
docs were being developed (for later
G. Roderick Singleton wrote (in response to a note from Jonathon Blake:
So typical of those in other projects to snipe. It's too bad production
isn't equal to the recruiting
and sniping.
OOoAuthors' production has been quite high.
For OOo V1.x, we produced 42 individual chapters and two complete
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
On Mon, 2005-05-16 at 15:52 +0200, Andreas Mantke wrote:
Hello,
I working on translation of documentation from english version to
nat-lang. This work is in process on OOoAuthors.
I wonder if there are also good documentation in nat-lang, that
should be translated to
Doug Thompson wrote:
The subject issue deals with graphics inserted in a sub-document and
being anchored to page. Subsequently the graphic will not be
displayed in the master document though it always appears correctly in
the subdocument. According to the closing entry on this issue, this is
G. Roderick Singleton wrote a very biased history which
distorts several important facts and makes an offensive
accusation about the OOoAuthors project and those of us working
there.
I am not going to contribute to a flame war by answering his
points one by one, but I must say that if this
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
On Sun, 2005-07-17 at 11:19 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
For those of you not on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list, I thought you
should know that G. Roderick Singleton wrote a note to the
native-lang and docs lists, containing a very biased history
which distorts
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
I am not stopping you. I would like it though if the OOoAuthors group
would stop claiming to be an official OOo projects when in fact it is
not.
We make no such claim.
We say we are a development site producing documentation that
will be posted on the main OOo
Andre Schnabel wrote:
Please explain what this change has not been passed through means,?
Bearing in mind that:
i) It was discussed in the Community Council Meetings;
ii) It was approved by the Community Council meetings;
iii) Daniel said in a Community Council meeting that OOoAuthors was
going
Andre Schnabel wrote:
Hi Jean,
As you may read, the discussion is about CC license for documents with
fixed content. I hope, you don't want to say, Daniel brought this idea
to the Community Council (to use document, developed at OOoAuthors as
fixed content within the OOo-project)?
No, I was
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
Daniel did find it hard. I do not know or understand why. I do know he
did not like working within the existing system
I'd like to comment on my own experience.
I started at Docs in December 2002, about six months before
Daniel did. I found working there one of
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
It is time to update our main page. Any volunteers to have a go?
As if I didn't have more than enough to do already, I volunteer. :-)
I'm been thinking about this since the last discussion on this
topic in February (when I was in the middle of a long
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Shall I set up an issue for the main page, or is there one
already? I didn't see one on the Task List, but I could have
missed it.
I do know about issue 45405 for the contributing page. That says
The start of one is on-line
I've uploaded my first cut at a new main page for the Docs
Project, and a page for contributors. Start here:
http://documentation.openoffice.org/sample1.html
This page still needs a lot of tweaking, but you can get the
idea. (For example, the icons need to be smaller and the
alignment tidied
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
This page still needs a lot of tweaking, but you can get the idea. (For
example, the icons need to be smaller and the alignment tidied up.)
I've made the icons smaller. I'm not sure why things aren't
lining up properly, but that's a detail left for sometime when I
Bert Meersma wrote:
... I'm curious why there is a doc project and there's OOoAuthors. Is
the doc project for online help, FAQ's and setup guides and is
OOoAuthors for user documentation? Or .
A lot of the user docs and FAQs posted on the Documentation
Project's website are produced at
Hi Scott,
Glad you like it. :-)
Two things:
1) Today I'll try to tweak the code so things line up better.
2) I'll remove the link to the Contributing page until we get
that in better shape.
Cheers, Jean
Scott Carr wrote:
Comments inline.
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
I've uploaded my first
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
1) Today I'll try to tweak the code so things line up better.
2) I'll remove the link to the Contributing page until we get that in
better shape.
I've now got the icons and links lined up properly now, but I
haven't removed the link to the Contributing page. Let's
Now that OOo2.0 is out, I thought the user guides page should be
reorganised to make more obvious which items are for V2 and which
are for V1. I also wanted to remove the long list of OOoAuthors
V1 chapters from the main page and put that list on its own page,
similar to the page listing the
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
Since more people are working on this document, I have bitten the bullet
and am now using a master document and a bunch of subdocuments. Shall I
attach a zipfile containing all or attach each individual doc to
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=29679 ?
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
I have just spent the past couple of days editing and putting the
finishing touches on a translation from French and German and it needs
someone to give it a good going over.
See http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=57215
I've had a quick look at it
An exciting announcment!
Well, *I* think it's exciting. :-)
Printed copies of the OOoAuthors books Getting Started with
OOo2.0 and OOo2.0 Writer Guide are now available for purchase
through Lulu.com.
Getting Started: http://www.lulu.com/content/177729
Writer Guide:
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 10:13 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
I started to use a master document for the the guide starting with 0.8.
Subsequently, a user pointed out that the page numbering is messed up in
the PDF. Well, this is true
Mechtilde wrote:
G. Roderick Singleton schrieb:
The user guide needs help with a number of sections. The Database
chapter is an important one...
Today I download the OpenOffice.org User Guide to look for information
to the base modul.
What I saw was an description of the databases in 1.1.x
Scott Carr wrote:
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
The user guide needs help with a number of sections. The Database
chapter is an important one. The latest complete file is attached to
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=29679 dated 2006-03-07
07h33. Sometime this weekend I will
Someone on the Writer forum reported this: the message you used
to get when opening a document linked to a template, asking if
you wanted to apply your current styles (after the styles in
the template were changed), no longer appears in OOo2.0.2, and
there seems to be no way to have the
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
If some few nevertheless wish
not to use those licenses for editable work they wish
to donate to OOo, then I regret to say that would be
their not our problem.
Actually it *is* OOo's problem if those people choose not to
contribute to the documentation being
More thoughts on this...
I have never understood why *all* documentation must be subject
to the same limited selection of licenses.
For a big project like the User Guide, of course all
contributions to it need to be under the same license. And I
realise that whatever one is picked, then
Sophie Gautier wrote:
We have written the PDL in that way because we wanted to protect
professional author writing under their name. And a lot of our
contributors are professional authors and are really happy with this
notification. This is really not difficult to handle from what we have
Scott Carr wrote:
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
I've just spent a bit of time looking on the OOo site to see if work
put into the public domain would be allowed on the website. It's not
clear, but perhaps I just have not found the right place.
Yes, public domain documentation is allowed
Nancy Scanlan wrote,
Officially, I'm a veterinarian who does acupuncture and a financial planner. (Long story) I write how-to and all-about articles for pet
owners, and I have served as an editor for magazine and books
aimed at the general public. So I think I can help on
documentation for
Bill Marchant wrote:
My problem is not with the Contribution Page, which has recently
been significantly improved, and looks just fine.
You apparently started with the Contribution Page on the main OOo
website, not the one at the Documentation Project. Not that it
matters; by following a
William T. Marchant wrote:
... I still think the revision of the contribution
page under documentation should be done by someone who has a better
understanding of the whole picture than I do.
I agree that rewriting that page should be done by someone with a
better understanding, but if you
I can't find a list of the new or changed features in the
forthcoming 2.0.3 release. Can someone point me to the right
place? Thanks for any help you can give me.
--Jean
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Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
I can't find a list of the new or changed features in the forthcoming
2.0.3 release. Can someone point me to the right place? Thanks for any
help you can give me.
Louis pointed me to this document, which is just what I was
looking for:
http://fr.openoffice.org
Giuseppe Castagno wrote:
I worked to implement the issue 61139 and I'm now working on issue
12626, both as developer.
The issue 61139 (new PDF options) is closed, but I'm not sure if help
or tooltip were added to the OOo mainline.
From what I've seen checking out the helpcontent2 source
From the Marketing List... some of these will need to go into
our docs when we update for 2.0.3 (which is coming soon).
-- Jean
Original Message
Subject: [Marketing] OOo 2.0.3 features - list with short
descriptions
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 00:20:47 +0200
From: Cor Nouws [EMAIL
When are the revised Guidelines for Participation going to be up
on the main OOo website? The link from the About Us page still
points to the old guidelines, which do not include the new
section on Commercial Activity.
Given that the links to the printed copies of the OOoAuthors
books (a
The wiki would also be a good place to keep track of who
is working on which items, including which chapter of the User
Guide... but only if everyone involved did keep the wiki up to
date. I find the huge long collection of comments on the UG issue
extremely difficult to follow, and I'm never
Scott Carr wrote:
I would like to get some ideas for templates. So what Templates would
you like to see in OOo?
Just reply to this email, so we can keep everything together.
Some frequent requests that I have seen for Writer templates:
* Research papers for submission to academic journals
Gary Schnabl wrote:
On another topic, what is the SOP for submitting copyediting of the
User's Guide (issue 29679)? Both the original Chapter 1 (from 11 March;
grsingleton) and its edited version (29 March; jondoe) contained
numerous errors, even though this chapter is only one-page long (four
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
Gary Schnabl wrote:
As to the most recent versions, I checked the list of files for that and
most of the comments mentioned in your issue. AFAIK, I'm using the most
recent versions, as posted for your issue.
Really? I do not think so. I just checked the issue and
Walter A. March wrote:
I noticed behaviour (as opposed to behavior) in a document I was looking
at. Is there a spelling standard for OOo documents written in English?
I think the document I was looking at was originally written by some
Canadian ;)
If it's one of the chapters from the
audiences. I hope
mentioning it here is not too commercial.
Is the Help Helpful? How to create online help that meets your
users' needs, by Jean Hollis Weber, published by Hentzenwerke,
October 2004, ISBN 1930919603
For more information, visit http://jeanweber.com/books/ithh.htm
and one way is to get
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
Gosh we redid the webpage to do just that. Now you are saying that it is
not enough. Pictures and words outline each of the categories. Even the
most naive user should be able to navigate the front page.
Having the On-line Help Project where it is, between User
I changed the subject line.
Scott Carr wrote:
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
Frank Peters wrote:
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
[snip]
Wiki is an excellent idea. Should we build on
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Category:Documentation
To answer your question, Scoot was looking into
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
The project tries to avoid anything that could be construed as copyright
infringement and/or plagiarism. So I think that providing copies of MSO
templates should be avoided.
Direct copies, yes, definitely to be avoided. But one can get
ideas from MSO about what
Frank Peters wrote:
Secondly, the so-called online help has been open for years. The
mere fact that contributing is more difficult because it uses
a special format, is compiled like the source code and is integral
piece of the source code base doesn't make it any less open.
That's true, but it
Frank Peters wrote:
Why are templates part of the documentation project? Shouldn't they
rather be with art.oo.o?
I think templates are much closer to documentation than to art,
or any other part of marketing. An ordinary user looking for
templates would never think to look for them under art,
Some of you may recall the struggles I went through two years ago
getting set up to use CVS on Windows. Well, I'm now trying to get
set up on Ubuntu, and I've run into a problem.
I have moved computers at least twice since I first got set up,
and each time I successfully copied my private key
Frank Peters wrote:
I submitted a first suggestion for a new main page
for doc.oo.o. Please have a look at
documentation.openoffice.org/index_0.html
and let me know what you think.
[...]
This is a draft, comments welcome
First impression: very good improvement in the page. It makes the
things
Martina Waller wrote:
With respect to search functions for example I would recommend to
- use more indices in printed material,
I am happy to report that the third edition of the Writer Guide
from OOoAuthors (due to be published later this week) includes an
index. (At last!) The draft index
Martina Waller wrote:
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Martina Waller wrote:
With respect to search functions for example I would recommend to
- use more indices in printed material,
I am happy to report that the third edition of the Writer Guide from
OOoAuthors (due to be published later
Frank Peters wrote:
Thanks everyone for all the valuable comments.
Find an updated version of the page at
documentation.openoffice.org/index_0.html
[...]
Ultimately, I would like to see the users send to different pages than
the contributors.
[...]
Let me know if you think that's the right
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
BTW, why would you think that
licensing would be different for the wiki?
I didn't really think it would be different. I was, however,
*hoping* that it would be different. Oh well.
--Jean
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Andre Schnabel wrote,
No -this does not answer any question. The wiki has been
established without any licensing restrictions.
Frank Peters wrote:
We need to look at how we can make the wiki usable for
documentation purposes
Is there any reason why the wiki cannot contain a user
Frank Peters wrote:
Creating new documentation content
If we create new documentation content on the wiki, it must be
created using the PDL to be compatible with doc.oo.o
If the documentation *stays on* the wiki and is not moved to
doc.oo.o, then it should not need to be created using the
marbux wrote:
+1. Copyrighted material can be parked on another site and linked from
the wiki.
Quite true, and that's more or less the situation we have now
with the Docs website: it links to material that for various
reasons can't go on the OOo website itself.
Unfortunately, that's not
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
Search just plain sucks. See
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=52046
In spite of the open issue, nothing has improved.
Search on the main OOo website definitely sucks. Even if it
worked well (which it doesn't) for the HTML pages on the site, I
Louis Suarez-Potts wrote:
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
OOoAuthors work is currently licensed under CC-BY 2.5 or later (we'll
be progressively updating this to say 3.0 or later).
I was thinking of that license, too.
To allow for the possibility of this material being placed on the wiki
I see that in the Browse Documentation part of the For Users
section, the Application Online Help item is linked to the page
for contributors working on the Help. This is going to perpetuate
the confusion of users hoping to find the online help here.
I recommend that this link be removed and
Frank Peters wrote:
I have finished the new version of the doc.oo.o starting page...
but I have some issues with this:
[...]
When it is displayed with the nav stuff, the javascripting that
shows the bubbles no longer works correctly...
[...]
I tried it with Firefox, Galeon, and Konqueror on
Frank Peters wrote:
I have made some more changes to the new front page and some
pages behind that:
[...]
In addition, I made some changes to the OOo wiki, too:
[...]
Please help filling the wiki pages with content. I think
we should have one owner for each of the areas who
keeps track of the
Below is an extract from an email I just received.
The OpenOffice.org User Guide referred to is actually parts of
four chapters from the Getting Started Guide (Writer, Calc,
Impress, Base) produced by OOoAuthors.
I am not on any of the relevant native-lang lists, so it would be
good if someone
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
I'd like to remind those on this mailinglist that we have many
outstanding tasks with which we need help. We currently have many
comments on chapters in the user guide but only two of us are doing any
work on them. What is really needed is to have all the 1.1.x
Andrew Jensen wrote:
Where exactly is the user faq page on the wiki?
It's well hidden (like most things on the wiki), though you can
find it from the link on the first page of the main OOo Docs site
(in the Work on Documentation section under For Contributors)
-- that link takes you to the
G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
It is nice that the wiki at OOoAuthors works for you. Unfortunately,
this type of collaboration is not available to projects at
openoffice.org for various reasons.
OOoAuthors isn't actually a wiki, but our Content Managaement
System (Plone) is a lot easier for
Martina Waller wrote:
Perhaps it would be easier to split up the big User Manual in
application manuals (one manual for Writer, one for Calc etc.)?
That is what OOoAuthors has done: separate Writer Guide, Calc
Guide, etc.
Where does the Getting Started Guide from Sun fit in there?
I
Frank Peters wrote:
Wouldn't it make sense to have the howtos on the wiki just
like the FAQs? I just stumbled upon a link to a howto in the
Calc FAQ.
+1
--Jean
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G. Roderick Singleton wrote:
***
*** 5. Reporting Defects
***
If you are pretty sure that you found a defect in a
document, please file an issue with Issue
I have now completed merging all the OOoWriter FAQs from
OOoAuthors, the user-FAQ project, the Documentation Project, and
the wiki into one place: the wiki.
In the process, I reorganised the Writer FAQs into several pages,
deleted some obsolete questions (eg, where the answer was not
Scott Carr wrote:
This is very sudden news about Gerry Singleton. He died of a heart
attack on May 12th in a Toronto hospital.
Yike, what a shock! He did an incredible amount of work for OOo
and will definitely be missed.
I notice on his website a mention that in 1997 or 1998 he had a
I hope someone here can help me solve a problem I'm having with
the OOo wiki.
I tried to upload an image (.PNG). It uploaded (and displayed)
only part of the file, although the image size (in pixels) was
correctly reported and a box of that size was displayed. So I
tried uploading it again;
The third edition of Getting Started with OpenOffice.org 2.x
has been published. ODT and PDF files of the full book are here:
http://oooauthors.org/en/authors/userguide2/gettingstarted/published_final/0100GS-GettingStarted.odt
Martina Waller wrote a note that deserves a more thorough and
thoughtful answer than I have time for right now, but I do have a
question.
Martina said,
Reduce the icon size in the documents. Their actual size constrains the
flow of reading because they get too much attention.
Do you mean
Dan Hedley wrote:
Frank Peters wrote:
Jean and I had begun to consolidate the
FAQs on http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/FAQ:Overview
Jean did Writer, I did Calc. Would you be able to go through
the other FAQ lists and shape them up a little?
Certainly. Will diarise it for a Monday
Arthur Buijs wrote:
Jim Harris schreef:
[...]
But is the wiki the right way to go? How often will different versions
of the different manuals be published for download. How will formatting
work be done? The wiki involvs excellent tools for discussion and a
really simplistic way of editing,
Dan Hedley wrote:
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
BTW, I have not finished checking and updating the Writer FAQs after I
brought all the scattered ones together and organised them. I don't
know when I'll get a chance to get back to them, so if you wanted to
work on those, that would be great.
Well
marbux wrote:
On 6/25/07, Jim Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, I still don't see how a PDF on an OOo CD (or for an OOo user)
does anything that a native OOo document does not do at least as well
It works for people who haven't yet installed OOo (or any other
program that reads ODT
Jim Harris wrote, in response to Gary:
Q: ... what is bad about offering choices?
A: It's more work, and if ROI is negative it should not be done.
From an ODT, it's one click to produce a PDF. Not exactly a lot
of work for us. Of course, if the source document is not ODT,
then turning the
Dan Hedley wrote:
What is the usual practice for referring users to further information?
I have been referring users from the FAQs to chapters in the
OOoAuthors guides, in most cases. Now that I am putting those
guides on the wiki, the reference could be a direct link to the
relevant wiki
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One of the nice things about the wiki pages is that they have, is that
each article page comes with a discussion page, where one can ask
questions with regard to the article in question.
Although the wiki discussion pages are a good thing, unless the
topic in
For anyone interested, this is more-or-less the effect I would
like to achieve regarding the wiki display of the OOoAuthors user
guides, but with more illustrations:
https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/index.html
I particularly like the icons and topic names at the bottom of
Frank Peters wrote:
I talked to Stefan about this. The main disadvantage of using namespaces
is that they need manual setup, and I don't see a real advantage.
I would suggest to use the following approach:
- use subpages for documentation (allows using Google for search
in parts of the wiki,
Frank Peters wrote:
What would the roadmap/dashboard encompass?
I started to list projects here:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation
We could set up a main Documentation/Dashboard page that has a table
with the documents/projects and the high level data and link to
subpages
Frank Peters wrote:
The copyright page is good. Using a namespace for it is not really
a good idea. To make the license situation crystal clear, we can
create a template that adds a footer stating the license and linking
to that copyright page.
The copyright page is taken directly out of the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Clayton Cornell writes:
There is some initial stuff already put together here:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Template:NavigationTemplate
I need to make a few minor layout changes to this example template and
add in a couple new/extra features we've needed.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Fixing it in accord with Frank's recommended approach will be easy. It's
just a matter of moving a few pages around.
After which I will need to amend some of the x-refs within the
pages. Is there a way to find-and-replace text when editing a
wiki page?
--Jean
Frank Peters wrote:
I started to move around some pages to put them
into the new Documentation/* hierarchy. Go to
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation
to find around what happened.
I really like this, especially the way you are dividing up the chapters of
the OOoAuthors
Frank Peters wrote:
I am trying to find a list of the things which *don't* work if you
create them in MS Office products and try to import into ODF and
vice-versa.
You are looking for an incompatibility list. I am nor sure if something
like that actually exist. There are some known
Alan Lord wrote:
Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
Several of us at OOoAuthors were talking recently about compiling such
a list (at least of things to do or not do in OOo when planning to
save in DOC format). I know of several items to add to such a list,
but I'd have to hunt around a bit to find my
marbux wrote:
Jean, I'd suggest that before creating such a page or launching such a
project, that it might be a good idea to check to see if the Sun developers
already have something like this that could be made public. They have folks
who work full time on MS Office compatibility via both the
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