Status of the documentation?

Hi all, AFAIK we now have: - The old wiki DevFaq at http://netbeans.apache.org/wiki/ - The features section of the old website at https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website-cleanup/pull/2 (pending Oracle IP clearance) - The tutorials section of the old website at

AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

Hi Wade, I agree, desktop isn't going away. At DukeScript we're using HTML4J Apis mainly for desktop applications. The Java Desktop Application is just using a HTML5-Component ("browser") to render the view instead of a native or Java rendering pipeline. Since the separation of view and view

List of options of "cluster.config"

Hi All How to know/get the list of options of parameter “cluster.config”? $ ant -Dcluster.config=platform Thanks From Peter

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

First - we're talking 8 years from now. Eight years is a long time. That doesn't mean don't be ready for it, but it does mean don't panic. Secondly, what it means is that Oracle doesn't plan to develop AWT and Swing after that point. That doesn't mean nobody will or could. That said, the way

Re: Pull request review.

I'm not on GitHub here, but any reason that test exists? >From the looks of it we might as well delete it entirely. --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 12 March 2018 9:46 PM, Hector Espert wrote: > Hi, I don't have permissions to request a review in github.

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

Maybe you should explain what exactly did you do and paste the exact error you get during the build. It should be visible which file is getting downloaded and you could compare the hash yourself and see who's right or wrong. --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 13 March 2018 2:48 AM,

Re: Netbeans 9.0 is very unstable with lombok in JDK 9

Hi Victor, Thanks for looking at this. Some comments inline. On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 12:02 AM, Victor Williams Stafusa da Silva < victorwssi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Anyway, independent of how much lombok finger-pointing, blaming or flaming > we have, there seems to be something indeed

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

HTML4J goes the wrong way in providing a migration path. We don't need new ways to embed components into Swing. We could already embed JavaFX stuff and now we can also embed HTML stuff (rendered by JavaFX). We need a way to render Swing on a web browser canvas! Then, after Swing is fully in

Re: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 9:26 AM, Jaroslav Tulach wrote: > > > > I was looking at an example project using Vaadin running inside Electron > recently. Have you tried this approach with HTML/Java? > > ...and trying Electron samples! C'mon do you have recent version of >

Re: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

Hi all, Some comments inlined below: On 13/03/18 09:26, Jaroslav Tulach wrote: Thanks a lot for your opinions! I am going to react to one recurring theme in this email... 2018-03-12 16:59 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Tulach : Forget about AWT, Swing and JavaFX - the future

Re: Support of Java 10

On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 at 02:09 Wade Chandler wrote: > -1 as well. The LTS versions live longer, and the processes between the > orgs will be different. They are also just different orgs. I don't think it > makes sense to try to align versioning. It was essentially

Re: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

[2] does not build on release 219 with jdk9 > [1] Plus few minutes of Maven plugins initial download time... > [2] Have you noticed that the wizard ("New Project", "JavaFX", "Java HTML5 > Application") is written in HTML UI? I hope the transition from the Swing > to the HTML UI was smooth enough

AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

> We need a way to render Swing on a web browser canvas! We were actually thinking about doing this using DukeScript a while ago to allow people to run their legacy applications. It would be doable. The JavaFX Team at Oracle had a working JavaFX version for the browser (without Java Plugin).

Re: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

Hi, On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 at 08:26 Jaroslav Tulach wrote: > > heavyweight, ...(but)... the open source nature ... of Electron make it > potentially an attractive option for mixed Java/HTML applications > > I was looking at an example project using Vaadin running inside

Problem with Java Help

Hi, Did anybody experienced/solved problem with module with Java help? I'm getting the following Class not found exception for Java help when building my NB platform app: An annotation processor threw an uncaught exception. Consult the following stack trace for details.

Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

Thanks a lot for your opinions! I am going to react to one recurring theme in this email... 2018-03-12 16:59 GMT+01:00 Jaroslav Tulach : > > Forget about AWT, Swing and JavaFX - the future is HTML. In case you still > care about Java, then your future should be Apache

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 at 08:56 wrote: > > We need a way to render Swing on a web browser canvas! > > We were actually thinking about doing this using DukeScript a while ago > to allow people to run their legacy applications. It would be doable. Reminds me of this -

Re: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

Hi Jaroslav, Waiting for the maven downloads as I write. :) Are there any tutorials or other cool documents out there about Apache HTML/Java UI? ~ Hermien On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Jaroslav Tulach wrote: > Thanks a lot for your opinions! I am going to

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

Did you built JGit from source and installed it into local Maven repository? Then the locally built version takes precedence over the one in the Maven central and has, of course, different SHA. Adjust the SHA or delete the local copy from .m2/repository and let the build download the real version

AW: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

Hey Jaroslav and all others, thx for your explanation. I think you didn’t get everything wrong, maybe more promotion but this is PR part . There are big players out there. And why I love electron? Because it is fucking HTML, CSS and JS AND for the Backend too. This eco system was build for

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

Hey guys, Thanks for your replies! But I think I wasn't clear enough in my original post: basically my question is why is NetBeans expecting a different hash value than the one found on Maven Central? C. On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 4:29 AM, Jaroslav Tulach wrote: >

My Personal UI Rant, Was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

Sometimes I think the world has gone crazy. Here are a few simple observations: - JavaFX is the best UI tech that Java has going for it these days. - Swing/AWT has been heading towards obsolescence for several years now. It works, but the future of desktop UI with Java is JavaFX. - HTML is a

Fwd: Pull request review.

Hi, I don't have permissions to request a review in github. Could anyone review this pull request? https://github.com/ apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/419 Thanks, Hector.

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

Hard to say without debugging. You can find the code here: https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/master/nbbuild/antsrc/org/netbeans/nbbuild/extlibs/DownloadBinaries.java#L368 -jt 2018-03-13 14:44 GMT+01:00 Christian Bourque : > Hey guys, > > Thanks for

Re: My Personal UI Rant, Was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

Scott, you are writing what my heart also was telling me. Still, it never occurred to me to look at anything which had he letters "HTML" in their api's as I always link this to "web" and my app is super heavy non-web-desktop-app-monster-size-local-file-reading-not-usually-associated-to-browser

Re: Problem with Java Help

Hello Zoran, JavaHelp is currently missing from standard NetBeans distribution as it is GPLv2withCPex licensed and Apache and GPL doesn't go well along. You need to put it into (boot)classpath somehow for now. -jt PS: There is a guy in Oracle working on relicensing JavaHelp to something easier to

Re: AW: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

> We were actually thinking about doing this using DukeScript a while ago to > allow people to run their legacy applications. It would be doable. I believe it would rather useful for NetBeans (and others). > But then we decided that it's much better if developers use a modern concept > for UI

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

Please paste actual changes you made and actual error NetBeans build gave you. --emi ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On 13 March 2018 3:44 PM, Christian Bourque wrote: > Hey guys, > > Thanks for your replies! > > But I think I wasn't clear enough in my original

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

Thanks Jaroslav, I'll have a look at this class and maybe I'll understand what is going on! On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Jaroslav Tulach wrote: > Hard to say without debugging. You can find the code here: > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/ >

AW: My Personal UI Rant, Was: Think Java, not Electron! was: ApacheHTML/Java UI instead of

Swing is what winforms is for Windows, it is old, it is not looking good. We live in a world and in a century, where the Styling changed over the years. Sure, you can create good looking UIs with Swing, if you are a Java developer, I don’t want it. For NetBeans I have to OR I can use HTML,

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

Hi Christian, Please state: - The artifact you are trying to download from Maven Central. - The "hash value" that NetBeans is expecting (if you've modified the binaries-list let us know the contents). Thanks, Antonio On 13/03/18 14:44, Christian Bourque wrote: Hey guys, Thanks for your

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

Hi, On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...Here's the central location where Apache NetBeans Events are defined: > https://netbeans.apache.org/community/events.html ... Thanks, having this is great! With my incubation mentor hat on I

Re: [LAZY CONSENSUS] Definining Apache NetBeans Days

Yes, I was waiting for you to point that out. :-) Gj On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 4:24 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Geertjan Wielenga > wrote: > > ...Here's the central location where Apache

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

Hi Antonio, All the information about the artifact is already in my original post... I'm not at home at the moment so I don't have the hash with me but I'll send it tonight! Thanks Christian On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Antonio wrote: > Hi Christian, > > Please

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

One thing to note is that binaries-list expects the hashes to be upper-case, while the sum on the maven central is lower case. I.e.: 4AE44A6157E1BC4C5B373BE0C274A8F1D9BADD76 is expected instead of: 4ae44a6157e1bc4c5b373be0c274a8f1d9badd76 Jan On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Christian Bourque <

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

> On Mar 13, 2018, at 3:04 AM, > wrote: > > Hi Wade, > > I agree, desktop isn't going away. At DukeScript we're using HTML4J Apis > mainly for desktop applications. The Java Desktop Application is just using a > HTML5-Component ("browser") to

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

Well, doing: $ wget http://central.maven.org/maven2/org/eclipse/jgit/org.eclipse.jgit/4.11.0.201803080745-r/org.eclipse.jgit-4.11.0.201803080745-r.jar $ sha1sum org.eclipse.jgit-4.11.0.201803080745-r.jar 4ae44a6157e1bc4c5b373be0c274a8f1d9badd76 org.eclipse.jgit-4.11.0.201803080745-r.jar $ wget -O

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

Yes I noticed that but that's not the problem here! On Mar 13, 2018 11:50, "Jan Lahoda" wrote: > One thing to note is that binaries-list expects the hashes to be > upper-case, while the sum on the maven central is lower case. I.e.: > 4AE44A6157E1BC4C5B373BE0C274A8F1D9BADD76 >

Re: My Personal UI Rant, Was: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

Scott, thanks for saying it so well. I absolutely loathe and despise trying to get any real work done with a browser interface. On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:06 AM, Scott Palmer wrote: > Sometimes I think the world has gone crazy. > > Here are a few simple observations: > -

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

Hi Antonio, Well you asked me for 2 things: 1) The artifact that I'm trying to download from the Maven repository (and this information was indeed in my original post)! 2) The hash value (and I told you that I didn't have the information with me because I wasn't at home but that I was going to

Re: NetBeans external binaries and sha1 hash values from Maven Central

Hi Jan, You're right! I started over on a fresh VM (without a local Maven installation) and it worked this time! I guess I have a conflict on my current installation where I use Maven for a lot of other projects! I'll investigate more to find the culprit... Thanks a lot for your help!

Re: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of ... Oracle will remove JavaFX from Oracle JDK

On 03/13/2018 12:13 AM, cowwoc wrote: > Web-based development is cool because everyone is jumping on board. It > isn't cool because it's better. Every week there is a new framework. The > level of cross-platform compatibility doesn't begin to compare to Java. > You have portability problems across

Re: Support of Java 10

AWESOME ! Cheers, Kai On 3/14/2018 1:00 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Excellent! JDK 10, welcome to NetBeans IDE. :-) Gj On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:31 PM, Jan Lahoda wrote: FYI, the JDK 10 support (branch jdk18_3) has been merged to master. Many thanks to all that

ApacheCon Montreal

I just received a notice of an Apache Con that will occur in Montreal at the end of September. I thought I might submit a talk on NetBeans. I could use suggestions about what I should put in my presentation such as what’s amazing about NetBeans 9. The CFP closes March 30. Ken Fogel

Re: Think Java, not Electron! was: Apache HTML/Java UI instead of

Hi Jaroslav, Can I do the following using HTML4J: 1. Build a frontend that will work in NetBeans Platform App and web app without modifications? 2. Reuse stuff (wizards) based on Wizard API in web app? If I can do that techicaly my next question is how. Thats when I'll need some sample/tutorial.

Re: Support of Java 10

FYI, the JDK 10 support (branch jdk18_3) has been merged to master. Many thanks to all that contributed to the effort in some form: Dusan Balek, Reema Taneja, Vikas Prabhakar, Geertjan, etc. Jan On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:48 AM, Neil C Smith wrote: > On Tue, 13 Mar

Re: Support of Java 10

Excellent! JDK 10, welcome to NetBeans IDE. :-) Gj On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:31 PM, Jan Lahoda wrote: > FYI, the JDK 10 support (branch jdk18_3) has been merged to master. > > Many thanks to all that contributed to the effort in some form: Dusan > Balek, Reema Taneja, Vikas