Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:47:16 UTC, biocyberman wrote: Want to learn something from you guys. forum.dlang.org is by far the biggest gathering point for Dlang users. So, even though I wanted to get away with using stackoverflow.com, I have to come back here. However, to me it easier for me, I would like to know how you guys get comfortable with using the forum? [...] As for me, I would like more activity on Reddit.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 at 20:09:22 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote: On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 at 07:33:05 UTC, Basile B. wrote: On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 19:30:52 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote: On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 18:46:50 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 2/24/18 7:00 AM, Patrick Schluter wrote: [...] Wow, that's insane. I would be interested in seeing it. It's in the history of my work PC, may be I will find it on monday. I'm french, i'm interested to know what the hell you talked about. Google search gave nothing. Do you referred to the journalist who was harassed by people on a gamer forum ? No, it was not the Nadia Daam thing, she is probably too incompetent to pull that trick off. As for the link, I checked but haven't found it. It was part of a longer youtube video but I don't remember which. Sorry. Patrick, you should keep these kind of things out of there. Right now you look like a guy who 1. either has been influebced by bullshits from the extreme right wing: read-believe-propagate. 2. or is a direct source of bullshits. For the record: https://forum.dlang.org/post/upiiglzypphvaprll...@forum.dlang.org That's not nice.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 02/03/2018 3:08 AM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: On 02/28/2018 12:48 PM, Vang Le wrote: I don't mean to go into the good vs bad direction. What I was saying is that it is hard to get comfortable and use the forum the most effective/convenient ways. The forum should not be a technical barrier for members to communicate conveniently. With that said, I am glad that I put up the questions and got a bunch of useful tips to use the forums. FYI, the most useful one is to install a NNTP client and use the 'forum' the way it is, a NNTP server with a web interface. Speaking of which, and I apologize if this is inappropriate context, but has anyone found a good Android NNTP reader for this? I wasn't really able to find much when I looked, so I just use DFeed when I'm on the go, which is great (fantastic, really!) as far as web interfaces go, but a proper native reader would be really nice if anyone has any good tips! I've used[0] in the past to read, but not for writing. [0] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.piaohong.newsgroup
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 02/28/2018 12:48 PM, Vang Le wrote: I don't mean to go into the good vs bad direction. What I was saying is that it is hard to get comfortable and use the forum the most effective/convenient ways. The forum should not be a technical barrier for members to communicate conveniently. With that said, I am glad that I put up the questions and got a bunch of useful tips to use the forums. FYI, the most useful one is to install a NNTP client and use the 'forum' the way it is, a NNTP server with a web interface. Speaking of which, and I apologize if this is inappropriate context, but has anyone found a good Android NNTP reader for this? I wasn't really able to find much when I looked, so I just use DFeed when I'm on the go, which is great (fantastic, really!) as far as web interfaces go, but a proper native reader would be really nice if anyone has any good tips!
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
H. S. Teoh wrote: On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:01:44PM +, bachmeier via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 17:56:29 UTC, Biocyberman wrote: Speaking on behalf of myself, after additional inputs from many excellent and respectful users in this 'forum'. I can say that, on the scale of 1 (least geeky) to 10 (most geeky), I would put forum.dlang.org to the level 8 of geekiness required to use the forum. It may be natural for long-time users, but for newcomers, it is very challenging. Hold it right there. You're saying that it's a bad thing for a *programming language* forum to have a high geekiness rating? Implying that *programmers* (y'know, ostensibly the target audience of said forum) are not geeky enough to know how to operate a geeky forum? Whoa. I think I need to sit down. I don't mean to go into the good vs bad direction. What I was saying is that it is hard to get comfortable and use the forum the most effective/convenient ways. The forum should not be a technical barrier for members to communicate conveniently. With that said, I am glad that I put up the questions and got a bunch of useful tips to use the forums. FYI, the most useful one is to install a NNTP client and use the 'forum' the way it is, a NNTP server with a web interface. I have to admit that I don't understand this. I don't think it would be possible for it to be simpler to use this forum. No registration needed, plain text messages, just click "Reply" and type in your message. Additional features would make it more complicated. Well, obviously non-programmers (or should I say, "non-geeky programmers", whatever that might mean) have every right to be able to operate a forum dedicated for a programming language without any undue handicaps, so we have to make concessions on the level of "geekiness" required to participate in the programming language discussions that take place here, such that said discussions would be more accessible to said non-programmers (or "non-geeky" programmers, whoever they may be). P.S. I think my geekiness-11 brain just blew several fuses and 2 transistors. Please excuse me while I take a break to go off to the brain shop to replace them. Maybe I'll pick up an oxymoron compensation diode on the way as well. We need to take a break sometimes, too much geekiness everywhere slows us down. At least that my experience. > T
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 at 07:33:05 UTC, Basile B. wrote: On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 19:30:52 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote: On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 18:46:50 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 2/24/18 7:00 AM, Patrick Schluter wrote: [...] Wow, that's insane. I would be interested in seeing it. It's in the history of my work PC, may be I will find it on monday. I'm french, i'm interested to know what the hell you talked about. Google search gave nothing. Do you referred to the journalist who was harassed by people on a gamer forum ? No, it was not the Nadia Daam thing, she is probably too incompetent to pull that trick off. As for the link, I checked but haven't found it. It was part of a longer youtube video but I don't remember which. Sorry.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 19:30:52 UTC, Patrick Schluter wrote: On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 18:46:50 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 2/24/18 7:00 AM, Patrick Schluter wrote: On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 04:41:44 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: [...] Last week I saw a video showing how a forum was shutdown because it was alledgedly full of racists. The thread where there were "racist comments" was in fact one where the initial question was ok, the answers absolutely nice but then the troll changed the initial post to something sinister and all the positive answers looked like agreement to the racist slur of the first comment. It was then demonstrated that the troll was a journalist from a big mainstream media. If I find the article again I will give a link (it's in french though, might not interest that much). Wow, that's insane. I would be interested in seeing it. It's in the history of my work PC, may be I will find it on monday. I'm french, i'm interested to know what the hell you talked about. Google search gave nothing. Do you referred to the journalist who was harassed by people on a gamer forum ?
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 2/25/18 5:03 AM, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Sunday, 25 February 2018 at 01:49:05 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: On 25/02/2018 2:31 PM, psychoticRabbit wrote: NNTP is not the future..it's the past. Good news, mailing lists will exist long after we're all dead and gone. We don't actually die, cause every atom in our body is billions of years old. Explaining that, is almost as hard as explaining why people still use NNTP. My atoms are older. Older atoms prefer NNTP. -Steve.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Sunday, 25 February 2018 at 01:49:05 UTC, rikki cattermole wrote: On 25/02/2018 2:31 PM, psychoticRabbit wrote: NNTP is not the future..it's the past. Good news, mailing lists will exist long after we're all dead and gone. We don't actually die, cause every atom in our body is billions of years old. Explaining that, is almost as hard as explaining why people still use NNTP.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 02/24/2018 08:31 PM, psychoticRabbit wrote: NNTP is not the future..it's the past. Uhh, so? This isn't fasion. Merit matters, not fad-compliance.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 25/02/2018 2:31 PM, psychoticRabbit wrote: NNTP is not the future..it's the past. Good news, mailing lists will exist long after we're all dead and gone. Right along with those stupid little phpbb installs. You'd have to transition some very massive and important projects off of it and they are significantly harder to use than DFeed is.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 20:29:34 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: Yeah, the immutability of NNTP posts is a feature, not a bug. but aren't git changes essentially immutable too? as long is there is a history of the changes, there is no problem with changes. I'm really only interested in the correct version of the persons intention, not some multitude of changes. It also has the effect of encouraging people to pause a moment before hitting [Send], which is definitely a good thing. yeah right. a good thing if we were robots instead of humans. NNTP is not the future..it's the past.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 2/23/2018 8:41 PM, H. S. Teoh wrote: +1. In the old days, it was called "bait and switch". After people reply to an initial post, edit it and change it into something else completely. It was one of the trolls' favorite tools. Yeah, the immutability of NNTP posts is a feature, not a bug. It also has the effect of encouraging people to pause a moment before hitting [Send], which is definitely a good thing.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 18:46:50 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 2/24/18 7:00 AM, Patrick Schluter wrote: On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 04:41:44 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: [...] Last week I saw a video showing how a forum was shutdown because it was alledgedly full of racists. The thread where there were "racist comments" was in fact one where the initial question was ok, the answers absolutely nice but then the troll changed the initial post to something sinister and all the positive answers looked like agreement to the racist slur of the first comment. It was then demonstrated that the troll was a journalist from a big mainstream media. If I find the article again I will give a link (it's in french though, might not interest that much). Wow, that's insane. I would be interested in seeing it. It's in the history of my work PC, may be I will find it on monday.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 2/24/18 7:00 AM, Patrick Schluter wrote: On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 04:41:44 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 04:18:29AM +, MattCoder via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:47:16 UTC, biocyberman wrote: > 1. No post editing... You should be grateful for this, because I hate systems like: Forums, Reddit and whatever, where people can edit/delete posts changing the context of things. [...] +1. In the old days, it was called "bait and switch". After people reply to an initial post, edit it and change it into something else completely. It was one of the trolls' favorite tools. Last week I saw a video showing how a forum was shutdown because it was alledgedly full of racists. The thread where there were "racist comments" was in fact one where the initial question was ok, the answers absolutely nice but then the troll changed the initial post to something sinister and all the positive answers looked like agreement to the racist slur of the first comment. It was then demonstrated that the troll was a journalist from a big mainstream media. If I find the article again I will give a link (it's in french though, might not interest that much). Wow, that's insane. I would be interested in seeing it. -Steve
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 2/24/18 1:18 AM, Nick Sabalausky (Abscissa) wrote: On 02/23/2018 10:18 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: TB has these, though I prefer plain text. It supports a crude form of markdown, so *bold*, _underline_ all are enhanced by TB. Emoticons turn into graphics too ;) I turned those off in my TB installation. I hate having my software messing with my content. But the cool thing is, you can do that for you, and I can do the opposite for me. Hard to do that as easily in a web forum ;) -Steve
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 14:25:55 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: If there is one change that I would really like, it's dark theme I used to use Firefox Addon 'Colour That Site!' but its not available for current Firefox version. Today the built-in Reader Mode might just do it (click the little 'paper sheet' in address bar, if it's available for the site). It has a white-on-black mode too (click 'Aa' ..).
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 04:41:44 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote: On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 04:18:29AM +, MattCoder via Digitalmars-d wrote: On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:47:16 UTC, biocyberman wrote: > 1. No post editing... You should be grateful for this, because I hate systems like: Forums, Reddit and whatever, where people can edit/delete posts changing the context of things. [...] +1. In the old days, it was called "bait and switch". After people reply to an initial post, edit it and change it into something else completely. It was one of the trolls' favorite tools. Last week I saw a video showing how a forum was shutdown because it was alledgedly full of racists. The thread where there were "racist comments" was in fact one where the initial question was ok, the answers absolutely nice but then the troll changed the initial post to something sinister and all the positive answers looked like agreement to the racist slur of the first comment. It was then demonstrated that the troll was a journalist from a big mainstream media. If I find the article again I will give a link (it's in french though, might not interest that much).
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 22:01:44 UTC, bachmeier wrote: On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 17:56:29 UTC, Biocyberman wrote: Speaking on behalf of myself, after additional inputs from many excellent and respectful users in this 'forum'. I can say that, on the scale of 1 (least geeky) to 10 (most geeky), I would put forum.dlang.org to the level 8 of geekiness required to use the forum. It may be natural for long-time users, but for newcomers, it is very challenging. I have to admit that I don't understand this. I don't think it would be possible for it to be simpler to use this forum. No registration needed, plain text messages, just click "Reply" and type in your message. Additional features would make it more complicated. I'm with you on that. The forum is one of the best I've encountered. Of course the missing editing is due to the nntp infrastructure and can be justified: uneditable posts forces one to be careful and it avoids 1984 like history rewriting. The enforcing of proper quoting is also a nice feature that works remarquably well.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 02/23/2018 11:57 AM, Kagamin wrote: Bold and italic is a wrong way to format text because it's visual formatting that lacks semantic. Bleh. That's actually my #1 favortie example for how the web world has gone completely, utterly insane. For one thing, bold and italic have *always* carried a semantic meaning of "emplasis". That's the whole fucking reason anyone *ever* used bold or italic in the first place. (Well, that, and to turn late-90's emails and web pages into eye-cancer - which is exactly what happends when you treat "bold" and "italic" as instances of "style" instead of "emphasis"). Secondly, when has anybody EVER come up with a legitimate, practical application for programatically determining the emphasised portions of a sentence? Not even the content-thief sites can make any use out of THAT psuedo-"semantic web" clue.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 02/23/2018 10:18 AM, Steven Schveighoffer wrote: TB has these, though I prefer plain text. It supports a crude form of markdown, so *bold*, _underline_ all are enhanced by TB. Emoticons turn into graphics too ;) I turned those off in my TB installation. I hate having my software messing with my content.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 02/23/2018 11:24 PM, psychoticRabbit wrote: (in the 90's companies made their name for not being Microsoft. As Microsoft wanted to dominate the world. I wonder if that same situation exists now, except, now its not being Google). Oh, it DEFINITELY does. The only difference is that instead of a monopoly, it's now an oligopoly of Google/Facebook/Apple each trying to pull the same shit MS was famous for running in the 90's, in each of their respective domains.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 02/23/2018 08:47 AM, biocyberman wrote: From my experience with forum platforms like vBulletin, phpBB, Invision Power, and even interfaces of Google group, and Github Issues, I still find it very difficult to understand the logics of using dlang's forum. I really don't see what there is to not understand, for the most part. The only real tricky point, really, is just that it's a threaded format and the web interface (unfortunately, and mistakenly IMO) insists on defaulting to an unthreaded view of an inherently threaded system. Aside from that though, it's just like any other email or message board system: 1. Read the posts in the threads (topics). 2. Hit "reply" on a post. 3. Type your reply. 4. Send. That's all there is to it: It's nothing fundamentally different from anything else that's ever existed (except maybe Google Wave, but, well...umm, yea...that was that ;) ) So, how do you guys overcome these problems: = 1. No post editting. After clicking send, and found out that you made mistakes in the post, but you can't edit the post anymore. 1. Proofread *before* sending. (Just like any letter or email.) 2. Follow-up post if there's any important corrections (hardly a big deal) 3. Don't be a perfectionist (it's just a forum, not a doctorial thesis.) 2. Old-day quoting presentation. I always feel reluctant to read texts that stays after two levels of quotes, like this: >First post quoted >>Second post quoted >>>Third post quoted >>Second post quoted If you mean the angle-bracket syntax: What's the big deal? Surely not just that it *isn't* something brand-new, I would hope? If you mean reading *all* the quoted text: Don't bother. Just skim enough to know what it is that's being replied to, then move on the actual message. 3. No Rich-text format support. No minimal bold/italic support. Some tools to emphasize important points will make it easier to let the readers know what the posters want to say. Anything beyond *doing this* for emphasis is just wasting your time futzing with trivialities that don't matter. You probably have better things to be doing. It's just a forum, not a journal article. 4. No code formatting. Same feeling here. I am reluctant to post more than 5 lines of code. Just mark it like anyone else does: --- code here --- Or post a link. 5. No image support. In many cases a screenshots will be helpful to communicate problems. Just post a link. 6. Last but not least, a trendy feature: tags, keywords for threads so we can locate related threads easily. That's would be like adding tags to your emails. Waste of bother. This is for discussions, it's not really meant as a database. If I may say it honestly, and despite the useful 'save unsent draft' feature, the forum is by far the most user-unfriendly forum platform ever (by appearance). You don't like its appearance? I think the web interface is WAY nicer-looking than any phpbb forum or the latest versions of the popular webmail clients, but I guess to each his own. But that's one of the nice things about it being a newsgroup instead of a web message board: You can use whatever interface you want. Personally, I use thunderbird (I even get to use a dark theme that way.) Aside from maybe code formatting, these are all very trivial, unimportant features, and I strongly beleive the second half of the following is appropriate here (ie, the "Fire and Motion" aka "Covering Fire" stuff): https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/06/fire-and-motion/
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 04:18:29AM +, MattCoder via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:47:16 UTC, biocyberman wrote: > > 1. No post editing... > > You should be grateful for this, because I hate systems like: Forums, > Reddit and whatever, where people can edit/delete posts changing the > context of things. [...] +1. In the old days, it was called "bait and switch". After people reply to an initial post, edit it and change it into something else completely. It was one of the trolls' favorite tools. T -- "The number you have dialed is imaginary. Please rotate your phone 90 degrees and try again."
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 04:13:15 UTC, Johannes Loher wrote: There are Browser extensions gor this (e.g. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylish-custom-themes-for/fjnbnpbmkenffdnngjfgmeleoegfcffe?hl=en) Hey. thanks for the tip. though..I just refuse to use chrome ;-) (in the 90's companies made their name for not being Microsoft. As Microsoft wanted to dominate the world. I wonder if that same situation exists now, except, now its not being Google). anyways... a quick search and I discovered something similar for firefox. so I might check that out. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:47:16 UTC, biocyberman wrote: 1. No post editing... You should be grateful for this, because I hate systems like: Forums, Reddit and whatever, where people can edit/delete posts changing the context of things. MattCoder.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 02:27:27 UTC, psychoticRabbit wrote: On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 01:53:48 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote: On 02/23/2018 06:25 AM, psychoticRabbit wrote: > If there is one change that I would really like, it's dark theme I've never needed myself but most browsers allow overriding themes. Ali yeah..I tried this a while back, but unfortunately it's effect is 'global', rather than per site. i'd also like to see D conf videos go dark theme too ;-) There are Browser extensions gor this (e.g. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stylish-custom-themes-for/fjnbnpbmkenffdnngjfgmeleoegfcffe?hl=en)
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Saturday, 24 February 2018 at 01:53:48 UTC, Ali Çehreli wrote: On 02/23/2018 06:25 AM, psychoticRabbit wrote: > If there is one change that I would really like, it's dark theme I've never needed myself but most browsers allow overriding themes. Ali yeah..I tried this a while back, but unfortunately it's effect is 'global', rather than per site. i'd also like to see D conf videos go dark theme too ;-)
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 02/23/2018 06:25 AM, psychoticRabbit wrote: > If there is one change that I would really like, it's dark theme I've never needed myself but most browsers allow overriding themes. Ali
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 18:51:45 UTC, Biocyberman wrote: I think it has much to do with setting expectation right. Haven't used dfeed, I had trouble understanding dlang's forum but much less trouble with others. Well... D users will reach a some critical mass, at some point, whereby things will certainly change, and the main discussions will then be going on elsewhere - cause this whole 'tied to NNTP' thing is kinda backwards, for 21st century. Till then, we have what we have. As for editing, I've always though a git like change log would be great, so you can edit as much as you want, and your editing history is there for all to see, so that it can't be abused. Pictures would be so nice. Code formatting would be really nice. Theme's would be nice (I'm fed up with bright white backgrounds!) Lot's of other stuff that most new comers would expect ... But all that and more, will only come in some different forum .. not this one.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, February 23, 2018 18:56:29 Biocyberman via Digitalmars-d wrote: > We may need a survey to have a good overview about users opinions. > > Speaking on behalf of myself, after additional inputs from many > excellent and respectful users in this 'forum'. I can say that, on the > scale of 1 (least geeky) to 10 (most geeky), I would put forum.dlang.org > to the level 8 of geekiness required to use the forum. It may be natural > for long-time users, but for newcomers, it is very challenging. I don't understand this at all. The web interface is extremely simple. You're just reading and writing plain text like you would in an e-mail client that wasn't using html. There aren't complicated controls to learn. You just read and type. No, you can't format your text in fancy ways using a rich text interface, but that doesn't make it any harder to read and write text. And the interface really isn't all that different from your typical web forum, many of which don't provide any rich text editing capabilities beyond putting a piece of text in italics or bold. I'm sorry if the web interface does not fit your vision of a what a web forum should look like, but I don't understand how you can argue that it's hard to use. It just lacks some of the fancier features that some other forum software has. You can choose to use it or not, but plenty of folks use the web interface with no problems, and they're not all hardcore programmers. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:01:44PM +, bachmeier via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 17:56:29 UTC, Biocyberman wrote: > > Speaking on behalf of myself, after additional inputs from many > > excellent and respectful users in this 'forum'. I can say that, on > > the scale of 1 (least geeky) to 10 (most geeky), I would put > > forum.dlang.org to the level 8 of geekiness required to use the > > forum. It may be natural for long-time users, but for newcomers, it > > is very challenging. Hold it right there. You're saying that it's a bad thing for a *programming language* forum to have a high geekiness rating? Implying that *programmers* (y'know, ostensibly the target audience of said forum) are not geeky enough to know how to operate a geeky forum? Whoa. I think I need to sit down. > I have to admit that I don't understand this. I don't think it would > be possible for it to be simpler to use this forum. No registration > needed, plain text messages, just click "Reply" and type in your > message. Additional features would make it more complicated. Well, obviously non-programmers (or should I say, "non-geeky programmers", whatever that might mean) have every right to be able to operate a forum dedicated for a programming language without any undue handicaps, so we have to make concessions on the level of "geekiness" required to participate in the programming language discussions that take place here, such that said discussions would be more accessible to said non-programmers (or "non-geeky" programmers, whoever they may be). P.S. I think my geekiness-11 brain just blew several fuses and 2 transistors. Please excuse me while I take a break to go off to the brain shop to replace them. Maybe I'll pick up an oxymoron compensation diode on the way as well. T -- Gone Chopin. Bach in a minuet.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 17:56:29 UTC, Biocyberman wrote: Speaking on behalf of myself, after additional inputs from many excellent and respectful users in this 'forum'. I can say that, on the scale of 1 (least geeky) to 10 (most geeky), I would put forum.dlang.org to the level 8 of geekiness required to use the forum. It may be natural for long-time users, but for newcomers, it is very challenging. I have to admit that I don't understand this. I don't think it would be possible for it to be simpler to use this forum. No registration needed, plain text messages, just click "Reply" and type in your message. Additional features would make it more complicated.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
Kagamin wrote: On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:47:16 UTC, biocyberman wrote: From my experience with forum platforms like vBulletin, phpBB, Invision Power, and even interfaces of Google group, and Github Issues, I still find it very difficult to understand the logics of using dlang's forum. You make it sound like "I even learned clay tablets" :) Sorry that it kicked in that way. I didn't mean I know all from modern to ancient if that is what you mean with 'learning clay tablets'. But I did mean that even with quite some experience, I still find it challenging to use the forum. I gave example of an typical forum interface to a less typical one. dlang's forum is not anywhere on this scale, in my opinion. 1. No post editting. After clicking send, and found out that you made mistakes in the post, but you can't edit the post anymore. Stackoverflow has this feature, and it's pretty popular on forums too, because when someone abuses editing, people complain that discussions make no sense anymore. I mean to edit a post right after posting. stackoverflow and many other forums have 5 minutes or more before they lock editing. Only comments on stackoverflow are locked by the way. 2. Old-day quoting presentation. I always feel reluctant to read texts that stays after two levels of quotes, like this: >First post quoted >>Second post quoted >>>Third post quoted >>Second post quoted Stackoverflow and github have this feature. Though normally web interface hides the angle quotes, so they shouldn't interfere with reading. I mean, the angle quotes are the problem. 3. No Rich-text format support. No minimal bold/italic support. Some tools to emphasize important points will make it easier to let the readers know what the posters want to say. Bold and italic is a wrong way to format text because it's visual formatting that lacks semantic. You can use markdown to add *emphasis*, it's pretty intuitive, stackoverflow and github have it too. Emphasis only expresses emotions, which can actually distract from content, you better spend time expressing ideas. I appreciate your preference on this. And I agree with out if it is some sort of formal writing. In short and informal one, it is a way to give visual cues. 4. No code formatting. Same feeling here. I am reluctant to post more than 5 lines of code. run.dlang.org I will use this from now on. 5. No image support. In many cases a screenshots will be helpful to communicate problems. abload.de I am aware of third party sites to upload image, but I meant a built-in and in-place image display. 6. Last but not least, a trendy feature: tags, keywords for threads so we can locate related threads easily. Usually nobody bothers to fill them, so they won't give you any result. I do fill them for every question post on stackoverflow. And I find them very helpful. If I may say it honestly, and despite the useful 'save unsent draft' feature, the forum is by far the most user-unfriendly forum platform ever (by appearance). If I were to order them by user-friendliness (in descending order): dfeed > forums >>> github > stackoverflow > skype I think it has much to do with setting expectation right. Haven't used dfeed, I had trouble understanding dlang's forum but much less trouble with others.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
We may need a survey to have a good overview about users opinions. Speaking on behalf of myself, after additional inputs from many excellent and respectful users in this 'forum'. I can say that, on the scale of 1 (least geeky) to 10 (most geeky), I would put forum.dlang.org to the level 8 of geekiness required to use the forum. It may be natural for long-time users, but for newcomers, it is very challenging. Mentioning 'challening', here is an excerpt from a fictional interview with the inventor of C++: = Interviewer: I see, but what's the point? Stroustrup: Well, one day, when I was sitting in my office, I thought of this little scheme, which would redress the balance a little. I thought 'I wonder what would happen, if there were a language so complicated, so difficult to learn, that nobody would ever be able to swamp the market with programmers? Actually, I got some of the ideas from X10, you know, X windows. That was such a bitch of a graphics system, that it only just ran on those Sun 3/60 things. They had all the ingredients for what I wanted. A really ridiculously complex syntax, obscure functions, and pseudo-OO structure. Even now, nobody writes raw X-windows code. Motif is the only way to go if you want to retain your sanity. Interviewer: You're kidding...? (https://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/susan/joke/cpp.htm) = I hope it is not offensive to bring up C++'s problems and relate them to D, but the point I am trying to make is *accessibility*. Provided that dlang community is not a the point of saturation, and still needs to grow, things need to be: Accessible (less geeky, less restrictions); Easy to learn and implement; Safe and Fast to program and to run. That would make a good acronym: SAFE safe-accessible-fast-easy, all go in parallel :) Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Friday, February 23, 2018 16:51:01 Biocyberman via Digitalmars-d wrote: So far so much better :) I really appreciate all answers given so far. Sorry I haven't found a way to reply to everyone. Many seems to be using the forum's web interface as a second - tier of interaction. I still don't know what can justify this practice. The NNTP and mailing list interfaces predate the web interface by quite a bit. The web interface was added primarily as a means of making it easier for more casual folks to comment. Those who wish to use it as their primary interface to the newsgroup are free to do so, but anyone looking for the feature set of the web interface to change needs to understand that the web interface is just one interface to an NNTP server and not your typical forum software. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:47:16 UTC, biocyberman wrote: From my experience with forum platforms like vBulletin, phpBB, Invision Power, and even interfaces of Google group, and Github Issues, I still find it very difficult to understand the logics of using dlang's forum. You make it sound like "I even learned clay tablets" :) 1. No post editting. After clicking send, and found out that you made mistakes in the post, but you can't edit the post anymore. Stackoverflow has this feature, and it's pretty popular on forums too, because when someone abuses editing, people complain that discussions make no sense anymore. 2. Old-day quoting presentation. I always feel reluctant to read texts that stays after two levels of quotes, like this: >First post quoted >>Second post quoted >>>Third post quoted >>Second post quoted Stackoverflow and github have this feature. Though normally web interface hides the angle quotes, so they shouldn't interfere with reading. 3. No Rich-text format support. No minimal bold/italic support. Some tools to emphasize important points will make it easier to let the readers know what the posters want to say. Bold and italic is a wrong way to format text because it's visual formatting that lacks semantic. You can use markdown to add *emphasis*, it's pretty intuitive, stackoverflow and github have it too. Emphasis only expresses emotions, which can actually distract from content, you better spend time expressing ideas. 4. No code formatting. Same feeling here. I am reluctant to post more than 5 lines of code. run.dlang.org 5. No image support. In many cases a screenshots will be helpful to communicate problems. abload.de 6. Last but not least, a trendy feature: tags, keywords for threads so we can locate related threads easily. Usually nobody bothers to fill them, so they won't give you any result. If I may say it honestly, and despite the useful 'save unsent draft' feature, the forum is by far the most user-unfriendly forum platform ever (by appearance). If I were to order them by user-friendliness (in descending order): dfeed > forums >>> github > stackoverflow > skype
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, February 23, 2018 16:51:01 Biocyberman via Digitalmars-d wrote: > So far so much better :) > > I really appreciate all answers given so far. Sorry I haven't found a > way to reply to everyone. > > Many seems to be using the forum's web interface as a second - tier of > interaction. I still don't know what can justify this practice. The NNTP and mailing list interfaces predate the web interface by quite a bit. The web interface was added primarily as a means of making it easier for more casual folks to comment. Those who wish to use it as their primary interface to the newsgroup are free to do so, but anyone looking for the feature set of the web interface to change needs to understand that the web interface is just one interface to an NNTP server and not your typical forum software. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, February 23, 2018 15:03:01 jmh530 via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:55:44 UTC, Jonathan M Davis > > wrote: > > dlang's "forum" is really a newsgroup. It's accessible via > > NNTP, mailing list, and the web interface. Many of us never use > > the web interface, and the functionality in the web interface > > is limited, because all it's doing is posting to the NNTP > > server and fetching the messages from there to display in the > > web interface. > > > > And none of the features that you're talking about really make > > sense when you're dealing with NNTP or a mailing list. It's all > > just plain text. > > > > - Jonathan M Davis > > With the recent grumbling about receiving newsgroup posts in > gmail, it occurs to me that I have no idea how to even do that. I > imagine I could figure out Thunderbird if I bothered, but I > primarily use the forum. If you want to use gmail, then just follow the "mailing list" link in the web interface and sign up. I wouldn't suggest using gmail though, because it's "helpful" and doesn't deliver an e-mails from the mailing list that you send to the mailing list. That probably displays okay in gmail itself, because it probably inserts the messages from your sent folder into the thread, but if you then ever use an e-mail client, threading is screwed, because all of your posts are missing. And threading isn't going to be all that great in gmail, because its threading is linear, whereas e-mail threads are actually a tree. If you want to use NNTP, then you'll have to find a tutorial somewhere on NNTP readers. I used to use KDE's newsgroup reader, knode, years ago, but I got sick of it not being able to track what I'd read across machines, whereas if you using the mailing list with an e-mail client set up to use IMAP, then every machine which accesses your e-mail is synced with regards to what you've read. I'm not aware of any advantage to using NNTP over the mailing list, but some folks do prefer to use NNTP, and if you use Thunderbird, you can use it for either e-mail on NNTP. Maybe the web interface should have more instructions for using alternate interfaces, but the mailing list is pretty self-explanatory, and it's not that hard to search how to use NNTP if you care. > Maybe the forum could add a read me at the top that gives > instructions on others ways to access it with a note that most of > the regular users interact that way (and how this functionality > leads to things like not being able to edit forum posts). This > would probably reduce the number of threads like this. For some reason, the fact that it's using NNTP is only one of the "random tips" that the front page of the web interface cycles through: 'Random tip: Much of this forum's content is also available via classic mailing lists or NNTP - see the "Also via" column on the forum index.' It should probably be more explicit about that. I doubt that it would ultimately fix the problem of folks complaining about wanting improvements to the web interface as if it were discourse or something though. That would require folks to pay more attention than many folks seem to, and the more text you provide explaining the details, the more likely the are to ignore the whole explanation. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
So far so much better :) I really appreciate all answers given so far. Sorry I haven't found a way to reply to everyone. Many seems to be using the forum's web interface as a second - tier of interaction. I still don't know what can justify this practice. But anyway, for the time being I downloaded seamonkey (because I was searching for a NNTP client). I actually find it easier to read the 'forum' in Seamonkey. As a test, I am replying directly through Seamonkey. Steven Schveighoffer wrote: On 2/23/18 8:47 AM, biocyberman wrote: Want to learn something from you guys. forum.dlang.org is by far the biggest gathering point for Dlang users. So, even though I wanted to get away with using stackoverflow.com, I have to come back here. However, to me it easier for me, I would like to know how you guys get comfortable with using the forum? From my experience with forum platforms like vBulletin, phpBB, Invision Power, and even interfaces of Google group, and Github Issues, I still find it very difficult to understand the logics of using dlang's forum. FYI, I am not a new user of internet, I'd rather consider myself someone can take pain to learn new useful things. And I've administered some forums myself. Yet I would like to name a few things below. They may irritate some hard-working contributors of dlang community. But I by no means want to make this a discussion of hate. So, how do you guys overcome these problems: thunderbird NNTP client. = 1. No post editting. After clicking send, and found out that you made mistakes in the post, but you can't edit the post anymore. Meh, its possible with NNTP, but this also allows abuse of editing. I don't find this that horrible. Maybe pay attention to the spelling corrector? 2. Old-day quoting presentation. I always feel reluctant to read texts that stays after two levels of quotes, like this: >First post quoted >>Second post quoted >>>Third post quoted >>Second post quoted . Thunderbird substitutes those with nice colored bars, so I can easily see the level of quotes. 3. No Rich-text format support. No minimal bold/italic support. Some tools to emphasize important points will make it easier to let the readers know what the posters want to say. TB has these, though I prefer plain text. It supports a crude form of markdown, so *bold*, _underline_ all are enhanced by TB. Emoticons turn into graphics too ;) 4. No code formatting. Same feeling here. I am reluctant to post more than 5 lines of code. You can use a link to a code sample on https://run.dlang.io/ which allows your code to be tested in the browser as a bonus. 5. No image support. In many cases a screenshots will be helpful to communicate problems. Yeah, this is a limitation I'm not sure how it can be overcome. 6. Last but not least, a trendy feature: tags, keywords for threads so we can locate related threads easily. If you want to tag posts on your own, TB does this. -Steve
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
I didn't mean the human part, meant the forum's functionality. Ali wrote: On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:47:16 UTC, biocyberman wrote: Want to learn something from you guys. I would like to know how you guys get comfortable with using the forum? Dlang forum in my opinion, is one of the most tolerant and friendly programming language forums So the experience is not really just how you edit a post it is also how friendly, responsive and friendly everyone else is I think it is too late to migrate to a new platform, plus if they ever introduce, say a discourse based forum like rust or ocaml the community (already small) might end up divided
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 14:47:00 UTC, Adam D. Ruppe wrote: On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:55:44 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: And none of the features that you're talking about really make sense when you're dealing with NNTP or a mailing list. It's all just plain text. Well, nntp actually supports basically all that stuff: you can do multipart/alternative for rich text and mime attachments for inline images, all kinds of stuff. I think it might even allow editing in the protocol, though propagating that to email users might be bizarre (still doable though). So it isn't *actually* a technical limitation... though a lot of us might never use those features because we do interface with it as a plain text thing. Yeah, I'm pretty sure editing is in there because Pan[1] provided the option when I used it. Actually Pan is a really great way to read the D news groups, but as I started to access the forums from many different places it was just easier to let the web track messages I'd read. (Pan even supports some markdown (bold and such)). 1. http://pan.rebelbase.com/
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 2/23/18 8:47 AM, biocyberman wrote: Want to learn something from you guys. forum.dlang.org is by far the biggest gathering point for Dlang users. So, even though I wanted to get away with using stackoverflow.com, I have to come back here. However, to me it easier for me, I would like to know how you guys get comfortable with using the forum? From my experience with forum platforms like vBulletin, phpBB, Invision Power, and even interfaces of Google group, and Github Issues, I still find it very difficult to understand the logics of using dlang's forum. FYI, I am not a new user of internet, I'd rather consider myself someone can take pain to learn new useful things. And I've administered some forums myself. Yet I would like to name a few things below. They may irritate some hard-working contributors of dlang community. But I by no means want to make this a discussion of hate. So, how do you guys overcome these problems: thunderbird NNTP client. = 1. No post editting. After clicking send, and found out that you made mistakes in the post, but you can't edit the post anymore. Meh, its possible with NNTP, but this also allows abuse of editing. I don't find this that horrible. Maybe pay attention to the spelling corrector? 2. Old-day quoting presentation. I always feel reluctant to read texts that stays after two levels of quotes, like this: >First post quoted >>Second post quoted >>>Third post quoted >>Second post quoted . Thunderbird substitutes those with nice colored bars, so I can easily see the level of quotes. 3. No Rich-text format support. No minimal bold/italic support. Some tools to emphasize important points will make it easier to let the readers know what the posters want to say. TB has these, though I prefer plain text. It supports a crude form of markdown, so *bold*, _underline_ all are enhanced by TB. Emoticons turn into graphics too ;) 4. No code formatting. Same feeling here. I am reluctant to post more than 5 lines of code. You can use a link to a code sample on https://run.dlang.io/ which allows your code to be tested in the browser as a bonus. 5. No image support. In many cases a screenshots will be helpful to communicate problems. Yeah, this is a limitation I'm not sure how it can be overcome. 6. Last but not least, a trendy feature: tags, keywords for threads so we can locate related threads easily. If you want to tag posts on your own, TB does this. -Steve
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:47:16 UTC, biocyberman wrote: So, even though I wanted to get away with using stackoverflow.com A bunch of us are on stackoverflow too, and it could use some more stuff. I like SO for archiving too, even if you get an answer here, SO is a lot easier to search so copying the answer to there to be a clean reference for later might be worthwhile. phpBB I used to be a pretty heavy phpbb user and the #1 feature I wished it had was a better email interface. You can turn on subscriptions and get some notifications, but I wanted it to just include the text of the post in the email too! The reason is that I like to keep up on basically all posts. I don't necessarily read them all, but I do skim everything posted on the learn, general, and announce groups. Everything. On a web forum, the time spent clicking and loading links would actually make that pretty painful (I do still do it on some low traffic phpbb sites tho), and getting the notifications can have lag between responding. With email, I know within a few minutes of a post that it was there, and I can skim it in a matter of seconds from any location that I'm online. I understand though that the casual user isn't interested in following everything so this isn't as important to everyone else... but it is a major plus for me. 1. No post editting. After clicking send, and found out that you made mistakes in the post, but you can't edit the post anymore. I think you meant "editing" ;) But I didn't like edits on phpbb either because they are really hard to see. There's no notification of an edit and finding the before and after difference is just really painful. So I prefer the follow-up post anyway, unless perhaps it is within a few minutes and the post hasn't actually been read by anyone yet. On phpbb, I would proofread stuff with preview before sending. Here... well, I don't do that, and I think we should just encourage that by making the "Send" button actually be "Preview" - force them to see it before hitting the final send. 2. Old-day quoting presentation. I always feel reluctant to read texts that stays after two levels of quotes, like this: Yeah, this is terrible, but it is bad form to over quote anyway, including on phpbb. You should quote just enough to jog the reader's memory of the topic, and cut the rest out. If you need the parent, the "in reply to" link on the side (or in the email) can pull it back up in full. So I generally just ignore most quoted things in posts. 3. No Rich-text format support. No minimal bold/italic support. You can always write *this*. Or [b]this[/b]. It might not be automatically rendered, but the reader will know what you meant. 4. No code formatting. Same feeling here. I am reluctant to post more than 5 lines of code. So for this, I almost always use ddoc style: --- code here --- And again, it isn't automatically rendered, but we know what it means. 5. No image support. In many cases a screenshots will be helpful to communicate problems. yeah. links to images are ok though. 6. Last but not least, a trendy feature: tags, keywords for threads so we can locate related threads easily. and I'm meh on this just because I don't think a forum is really useful for referencing later anyway. There's some value in the archive if you really want to see people's old arguments, but for stuff like Q, I'd rather copy/paste that end result over to Stack Overflow. I would like to enjoy a full joy of using the forum, like you are having. So I use the emails for most reading. Only go on the web interface to post (the email reply thing is buggy. I'd really rather use it though), or to navigate old stuff/share existing links.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:55:44 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: dlang's "forum" is really a newsgroup. It's accessible via NNTP, mailing list, and the web interface. Many of us never use the web interface, and the functionality in the web interface is limited, because all it's doing is posting to the NNTP server and fetching the messages from there to display in the web interface. And none of the features that you're talking about really make sense when you're dealing with NNTP or a mailing list. It's all just plain text. - Jonathan M Davis With the recent grumbling about receiving newsgroup posts in gmail, it occurs to me that I have no idea how to even do that. I imagine I could figure out Thunderbird if I bothered, but I primarily use the forum. Maybe the forum could add a read me at the top that gives instructions on others ways to access it with a note that most of the regular users interact that way (and how this functionality leads to things like not being able to edit forum posts). This would probably reduce the number of threads like this.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, February 23, 2018 14:52:33 JN via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:47:16 UTC, biocyberman wrote: > > = > > 1. No post editting. After clicking send, and found out that > > you made mistakes in the post, but you can't edit the post > > anymore. > > > > 2. Old-day quoting presentation. I always feel reluctant to > > > > read texts that stays after two levels of quotes, like this: > > >First post quoted > > > > > >>Second post quoted > > >> > > >>>Third post quoted > > >> > > >>Second post quoted > > > > > > Could the problem be caused by the fact that emails (which are > underneath the forum) are threaded, but this forum is linear? It > also causes a lot of offtopic discussions derailing the threads, > while it'd be hidden in a subbranch when threaded. Perhaps that > is something that could be considered (or there is a hidden > threaded mode I am not aware of?). Both e-mail clients and the web interface can display the e-mails as either linear or threaded. Regardless, It's typical for quoted sections to be marked with >, and as stuff gets quoted multiple times, the >'s get deeper. Regardless, having quoted text can help considerably in both following what's being said as well as seeing what someone is responding do (especially if something goes wrong with the threading, which does happen from time to time). - Jonathan M Davis
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On 02/23/2018 03:52 PM, JN wrote: (or there is a hidden threaded mode I am not aware of?). Click on "Settings" in the upper right corner. There you can change the "view mode" to threaded.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:47:16 UTC, biocyberman wrote: = 1. No post editting. After clicking send, and found out that you made mistakes in the post, but you can't edit the post anymore. 2. Old-day quoting presentation. I always feel reluctant to read texts that stays after two levels of quotes, like this: >First post quoted >>Second post quoted >>>Third post quoted >>Second post quoted Could the problem be caused by the fact that emails (which are underneath the forum) are threaded, but this forum is linear? It also causes a lot of offtopic discussions derailing the threads, while it'd be hidden in a subbranch when threaded. Perhaps that is something that could be considered (or there is a hidden threaded mode I am not aware of?).
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:55:44 UTC, Jonathan M Davis wrote: And none of the features that you're talking about really make sense when you're dealing with NNTP or a mailing list. It's all just plain text. Well, nntp actually supports basically all that stuff: you can do multipart/alternative for rich text and mime attachments for inline images, all kinds of stuff. I think it might even allow editing in the protocol, though propagating that to email users might be bizarre (still doable though). So it isn't *actually* a technical limitation... though a lot of us might never use those features because we do interface with it as a plain text thing.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:47:16 UTC, biocyberman wrote: Want to learn something from you guys. I would like to know how you guys get comfortable with using the forum? Dlang forum in my opinion, is one of the most tolerant and friendly programming language forums So the experience is not really just how you edit a post it is also how friendly, responsive and friendly everyone else is I think it is too late to migrate to a new platform, plus if they ever introduce, say a discourse based forum like rust or ocaml the community (already small) might end up divided
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, 23 February 2018 at 13:47:16 UTC, biocyberman wrote: If I may say it honestly, and despite the useful 'save unsent draft' feature, the forum is by far the most user-unfriendly forum platform ever So, to your question: "How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?" by lowering your expectations ;-) I don't mean that to be too crtical .. cause I actually find the forum works very well for what I expect from it - which is not alot ;-) again.. not trying to be critical here, just pointing out the obvious. The forum is eternally in NNTP compatability mode, which is why it doesn't have all those fancy features. I don't see that changing anytime soon. (btw. if you were born after 1990 or so.. so might have to google what NNTP is ;-) If there is one change that I would really like, it's dark theme - cause I mostly do stuff at night, with a low lamp, and bright white backgrounds are really..really...really...really...really...annoying.
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
On Friday, February 23, 2018 13:47:16 biocyberman via Digitalmars-d wrote: > If I may say it honestly, and despite the useful 'save unsent > draft' feature, the forum is by far the most user-unfriendly > forum platform ever (by appearance). But I may be totally wrong, > because users here are using the forum in totally different ways, > and it may even has some nice perks that I haven't heard of. I > would like to enjoy a full joy of using the forum, like you are > having. dlang's "forum" is really a newsgroup. It's accessible via NNTP, mailing list, and the web interface. Many of us never use the web interface, and the functionality in the web interface is limited, because all it's doing is posting to the NNTP server and fetching the messages from there to display in the web interface. And none of the features that you're talking about really make sense when you're dealing with NNTP or a mailing list. It's all just plain text. - Jonathan M Davis
Re: How do you get comfortable with Dlang.org's Forum?
Don't think of it as a forum. Think of it as just a bunch of public email chains. Because that is what it is under the hood.
