Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[w3wilkes]

TomAmes wrote: 
> Preference for convenience over audio quality is a trend that I have
> found disheartening. Unless I am in the immediate area my wife prefers
> to listen to the Echo in the kitchen rather than the SB Boom. My adult
> daughter, her husband and all of their friends are satisfied with poor
> audio and video quality as long as it is at their fingertips. Some
> friends we frequently visit have apparently totally abandoned a small
> audio player of some sort in their living area for an Echo *sigh*
> 
> On the bright side my son who is in college is far more interested in
> audio and video quality even though he often takes the "convenient"
> route. The flip side of that bright side is that he entered the vinyl
> rabbithole a few years back, and there are no signs of his emerging from
> it.
> 
> But, back on topic, I recently built my 2nd RPi player and couldn't be
> happier.

Back when I was growing up in the 60's we all appreciated good quality
sounding music. In 1970 when I got my first apartment my 1st purchase
was a modest, but decent sounding stereo. Cinder blocks and some boards
was my stereo "cabinet". Now in my late 60's and with hearing aids I
still have a decent sounding stereo (I'm no audiophile) and Squeezebox
has given me a way more efficient way to sift through my music without
any loss in the quality of the music from my CD's it was ripped from. I
believe the wife appreciates the ease of picking what she wants hear too
with Squeezebox.

It's on a very rare occasion that I'll pull out vinyl to play. Most
recently was when my 9 year old grandson said "Papa, do you have any
records?". I said yes and he asked me to show him how they worked. I
went to the basement and pulled out an album, fired up the turntable,
gave the grandson a quick lesson on proper handling of vinyl, slapped
the record on the turntable cleaned it with the Disc Washer and let it
fly. I explained how the music is stored in the spiral grove and how
stereo works in that grove. He seemed to soak it all in and though it
was pretty cool.

My 2 Duets and RPi are just wonderful and with RPi I no longer worry
about what I'll do if a Duet fails!



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[TomAmes]

menno wrote: 
> Interesting to read what everyone is doing/planning.
> 
> For me I think it comes down to the fact my 4 year old son can say "Dad,
> play me the Trolls soundtrack", and he'll have to wait for me to do it,
> or for me to tell him I dont want to hear that again! But he can easily
> now say "Alexa play the Trolls soundtrack" and he gets what he wants.
> Finally got 2 Echos last month as a test, primarily to work with my new
> home automation.
> 
> But even the missus, who's been happy to use the Squeezeboxes all these
> years, now finds Alexa easier due to the voice control. 
> 
> So unless I can get Alexa voice control working for the Squeezeboxes,
> then I'll suspect the rest of the family will probably end up wanting me
> to setup more Echos.

Preference for convenience over audio quality is a trend that I have
found disheartening. Unless I am in the immediate area my wife prefers
to listen to the Echo in the kitchen rather than the SB Boom. My adult
daughter, her husband and all of their friends are satisfied with poor
audio and video quality as long as it is at their fingertips. Some
friends we frequently visit have apparently totally abandoned a small
audio player of some sort in their living area for an Echo *sigh*

On the bright side my son who is in college is far more interested in
audio and video quality even though he often takes the "convenient"
route. The flip side of that bright side is that he entered the vinyl
rabbithole a few years back, and there are no signs of his emerging from
it.

But, back on topic, I recently built my 2nd RPi player and couldn't be
happier.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[doctor_big]

I keep finding new things to amaze me with LMS.

- running EDO  into my new Hegel integrated, I found that the "next
track" button on the Hegel remote moves the music ahead to the next
song. I didn't expect that to integrate.

- signed up for Tidal, and in combination with Don't Stop The Music /
LastMix, I'm delighted with the coherent playlist choices.

Thanks to everyone who's contributed to this ecosystem. 

Sent from my SM-G955W using Tapatalk





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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[menno]

Interesting to read what everyone is doing/planning.

For me I think it comes down to the fact my 4 year old son can say "Dad,
play me the Trolls soundtrack", and he'll have to wait for me to do it,
or for me to tell him I dont want to hear that again! But he can easily
now say "Alexa play the Trolls soundtrack" and he gets what he wants.
Finally got 2 Echos last month as a test, primarily to work with my new
home automation.

But even the missus, who's been happy to use the Squeezeboxes all these
years, now finds Alexa easier due to the voice control. 

So unless I can get Alexa voice control working for the Squeezeboxes,
then I'll suspect the rest of the family will probably end up wanting me
to setup more Echos.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[sander]

My plan has been to get backups of the hardware and since the system
isn't dependent on mysqueezebox any more it should be good for a long
time. Ideally 2.4Ghz wifi will last, but if not I could do bridges. 

However interacting with streams and podcasts is becoming more trouble
as they change and the software can't adjust as quickly as I hoped, so
that has been a problem. Lately I have been having problems with syncing
between devices and some songs not playing for some reason, which I have
been unable to isolate and I'm confronted with some of the old troubles
of LMS logging not being great and figuring out which problems are due
to the base server opposite plugins. I'm hoping to solve most of this by
rebuilding the server, but time will tell.

This has gotten me thinking about moving to more of a platform
independent solution bridging with setting up a network of piCores and
then trying out other solutions in conjunction with them. One advantage
to this would be I could use the Pis for other uses such as monitoring
the environment, displaying information and maybe even something like
mycroft.ai. This would be an engineering effort to be sure, but maybe it
might be stable enough that it will help extend my use of Squeezebox by
potentially migrating the podcasts and streams to a parallel system
which could leverage the same hardware, network and speakers. In time
this might lend towards using another system like mpd or clementine if
they ever get to the point where they offer feature parity with what I
like from Squeezebox.

At any rate I hope this is a while away. As always thanks Michael and
co!



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[chill]

amey01 wrote: 
> The only part I disagree with is the use of the word "still"? What do
> you mean still? 
> 

'Still' as in 'even if you don't rely on a local library'.  I agree -
it's been the most capable and versatile system for years.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[amey01]

chill wrote: 
>  STILL makes perfect sense 

The only part I disagree with is the use of the word "still"? What do
you mean still? It always has made perfect sense. I don't know of any
other system which does what the Squeezebox solution does. None at all.
Least not Sonos, who (after 15 years) still can't do high res, DSD or
anything else. And least not anything that runs on that flaky UPNP crap.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[chill]

RonM wrote: 
> 
> If my SB devices (Transporter, Touch 1, Touch 2 in storage, Radio 1,
> Radio 2 in storage, Booms 1 and 2, Boom 3 in storage, Duets in storage
> as backups) toasted, or maybe even if they don't, I think I'd probably
> go to the streaming services, and get out more to live music. Not sure
> there's a future in SB substitutes, slick as the Raspberry Pi might be.
> I'd be more tempted if higher-quality streams were available, and my
> local limited internet bandwidth was higher. As they will be in the near
> term.
> 

I agree - streaming services are so convenient, and for most situations
they can stand in for a local library.  I sometimes find myself
selecting tracks in Spotty when I know I've got them in my own
collection, just because. well, I don't know why, but it's
convenient and the quality is just fine.

But even if you don't rely on a local library, thanks to the efforts of
a few dedicated programmers the Squeezebox concept still offers a
fantastic way to access those streaming services.  An SB substitute,
such as a Raspberry Pi hosting LMS and running Squeezelite, STILL makes
perfect sense and offers a great way to have 'whole house' synced
players delivering those streaming services for peanuts.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[RonM]

I was stunned the other day to find Dave Van Ronk's "Just Dave Van Ronk"
on Spotify. This is an old (1964) album that for some inexplicable
reason has never been digitized - you can't buy it from iTunes, no CD,
etc. But it's on Spotify, and if I'm not mistaken you can hear vinyl
noise, just like you can on my own rip.

My point is that the streaming services provide a "universal jukebox"
functionality. All the music you want, chosen from pretty much all music
that has been recorded.

S. . . 

I think if I was starting over I'd probably not amass a huge collection
of hard-copy music, supplemented by a fairly huge collection of
soft-copy music. I'd just go to the streaming services.

If my SB devices (Transporter, Touch 1, Touch 2 in storage, Radio 1,
Radio 2 in storage, Booms 1 and 2, Boom 3 in storage, Duets in storage
as backups) toasted, or maybe even if they don't, I think I'd probably
go to the streaming services, and get out more to live music. Not sure
there's a future in SB substitutes, slick as the Raspberry Pi might be.
I'd be more tempted if higher-quality streams were available, and my
local limited internet bandwidth was higher. As they will be in the near
term.

R.



LMS on a dedicated server (FitPC3)
Transporter (Ethernet) - main listening, Onkyo receiver, Paradigm
speakers
Touch (WiFi) - home theater 5.1, Sony receiver, Energy speakers
Boom 1 (WiFi) - work-space
Boom 2 (WiFi) - various (deck, garage, etc.)
Radio (WiFi) - home office
Control - Squeeze Control (Android mobile), 2 Controllers (seldom used),
Squeeze Remote (on Surface Pro 4)
Touch x 1 - spare
UE Radio x 1 - spare
Boom x 1 - spare
Controller x 1 - Spare
Duet Receiver (backup)

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[chamonix]

I did buy a Grace Digital Audio "Internet Radio and Media Streamer."

It comes with a built in speaker, and external RCA jacks . Not very good
sound quality. But it allows me to stream radio stations in the garage,
while working on a car. I have Ethernet running out to the garage with
an underground cable (garage is separate from our home). I should be
able to link this to my Pandora account, but haven't bothered yet.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[dhallag]

yea so this is a great question that should be seriously looked at by
everyone.  about once a year, I go out to see what's new.  I've tried
Sonos, Roon and Bluesound and know all those very well.  LMS is still
the most functional by far.  Specifically, the Squeezepad app for ipad
is still one of the best user interfaces and in some ways, rivals Roon
(I just wish the author of it would let me buy it or make it opensource
so it can be updated).  Additionally, the way that LMS either via "Don't
Stop the Music" or "MusicIP/SpiceFly" is an incredible next song engine
that no one else even comes close to.  Like many of you, I have a very
large collection of music and just don't want to spend time creating a
thousand playlists.  I play an album of what I am feeling at the time
and let the system go...  it's awesome and everyone who comes over and
see's it is amazed at its ability to roll through the collection in a
smart way.

My issues are what everyone else has...  there are still some wonky ways
that LMS works.  Ickstream, LMS, front end apps all need a good bit of
work to get them and/or keep them up to date and I am unsure Michael,
Philip, Pippin and all those who have created third part apps have the
bandwidth to continue their work on a consistent basis.  Once my touch
endpoints go, I'll jump to Hifiberry.  Tidal and Deezer both to FLAC
streaming via ickstream but both have also decided to move forward with
MQA so I do have a concern that at some point, they won't work via
Ickstream.  Future third party integrations are always an issue; at this
point, I cannot thank Michael enough for creating apps for BandCamp and
Radio Paradise.



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3 wired Touch End Points
Jolida Tube DAC III
Marantz 2270 to Boston Acoustics Slimlines
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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[earthbased]

Everyone that sees my LMS system loves it.   I think with QLMS it is
much easier to set up too (Kudos DigiMaster!).  Logitech ruined the
company like they are doing to Harmony now (no software update for
Harmony One???).   I am using my Harmony One to adjust tonal frequencies
on my stereo for LMS (Kudos to Michael!).   With proper marketing this
would be a success.   Let the idiots go where they want.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Recoveryone]

markm wrote: 
> While I agree sound quality is an important aspect, some are more
> sensitive to SQ than others.  Let's face it, depending on the listening
> situation, sometimes convenience trumps SQ.
> 
> That's why I addressed the original poster, since he was using SB/Touch,
> to ask what he was doing with it.
> 
> Others gravitate to using self contained Boom's/Radio's.  As good as
> they are, they are lower SQ than a full blown stereo rig.
> 
> As per my earlier post, for late night listening or just a quick
> portable solution, I use phones/tablets plugged into headphones or other
> self-powered/portable speakers...even a 1/8" to L/R RCA connector at a
> few friends houses that haven't embraced the LMS infrastructure...yet! 
> They think it's wild I can stream music to their house from my
> collection in just a few minutes.
> 
> 
> BTW, interesting device. Is that using DLNA to communicate?

I'm sorry, I don't hang out in here much anymore.  The N-50 has great
SQ, but it lacks the flexibility like the Squeezebox devices are.  It
uses DNLA, AirPlay or direct USB input, I use it with My 4TB Storage on
my network and use it as a DAC with a Touch.



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1st Touch Wirelessly connected (Master Bedroom)

2nd Touch Wirelessly connected (bedroom)

3rd Touch Wirelessly connected (bedroom)

4th Touch  Wirelessly connected (livingroom)

5th Touch  Wirelessly connected (downstairs bedroom)

Server (In garage)
running on Duo Core P4 3.0 GHz 8 gig ram
Windows 7 pro 64 bit
350 Xternal gigHD
1.5 TB backup 
Verizon Fios wireless router w/HG antana

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[epoch1970]

chill wrote: 
> The word is "flawless" :)

Or very good.
If sync deteriorates, a soft player does not recover like a hardware
player does.
To avoid the condition to appear, use a good OS/distro like piCorePlayer
(runs in RAM) and a clean network.



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• IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) • Server Power Control by Gordon
Harris • Smart Mix, Music Walk With Me, What Was That Tune? by Michael
Herger • PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple • Song Info, Song Lyrics by
Erland Isaksson • AirPlay Bridge by philippe_44 • WeatherTime by Martin
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[Dogberry2]

chill wrote: 
> The word is "flawless" :)

Just the word I wanted to hear! Thanks!



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[chill]

Dogberry2 wrote: 
> But what's the word on Pi-based players and synchronization?

The word is "flawless" :)



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Dogberry2]

So far, I've had no deaths in the family, as all of my various
Squeezeboxen just keep on truckin'—2 Duets, 2 Touches, 2 Radios, 3
Booms. When the day comes that I have to start replacing units, I'll see
what is available on eBay, perhaps, or start switching over to Raspberry
Pi units. But what's the word on Pi-based players and synchronization? I
really have to have good, solid sync between players; I very often have
music playing in different parts of the house, and want to be able to
keep that functionality. It would be extremely painful to lose that. Do
the Pi players maintain good sync, or will I have to worry about that?



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[JeffHart]

I've been lucky, most of my gear is 9 years old, have only had to
replace PSU for one duet receiver, fortunately that's working fine. 
Long term, I would love to go with Chromecast Audio due to size and
cost, if the sync issue can be addressed. Not HiFi, but unfortunately, I
can't really hear the difference anymore.  Otherwise will go to
Raspberry PI.  Currently running LMS on one and very happy, using
Max2Play - arbitrarily started with that and its working fine so stayed
with it.

Replacing the radios and the boom will be more challenging - their are
some Android boomboxes out there, so if/when I run into needing to
replace them, would see what's out there before building an RPi
replacement.



"You know, I'm all for progress. It's change I object to."
Mark Twain

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5 Receivers, 1 Boom, 2 Radios, 1 Controller, 1 iPhone & 1 iPad w/iPeng,
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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[JeffHart]

left channel wrote: 
> You really want Alexa, Siri, or Google eavesdropping on you all the
> time?  At least give me hi-res music before I give up my privacy.

There's an option source option that's not ready for prime time yet, but
worth keeping an eye on.  Mycroft AI is an open source AI client that
doesn't keep your data (you can opt in to allow it be used for
diagnostic/improvements).  Designed to run on Raspberry PI or in Linux. 
Been playing with it, but haven't had time to start working on an LMS or
Spotify skill yet.  Company behind it plans to generate revenue by
selling smart speakers, the software is available as open source.



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Mark Twain

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[w3wilkes]

Next time you should just build a replacement Raspberry Pi player. Dead
simple!
https://sites.google.com/site/picoreplayer/home/how-to-1



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[chamonix]

yeomanspc wrote: 
> In my experience, SB rebooting is usually the PSU dying and not able to
> deliver sufficient power momentarily when the going gets tough.  If you
> still have the old SB3, try a different PSU..
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks for the suggestion. I now have 3 PSU  units that I have tried
with this "bad" SB3. No fix. I also tried removing the wiFi card and
using it with an Ethernet connection. Still reboots. OTOH my second SB3
in living room works fine with the same PSU. 
So I went ahead and bought a used SB3 off E-bay, (to replace bad SB3)
that is working fine...for now.  Bad SB3 is in storage for now.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[yeomanspc]

In my experience, SB rebooting is usually the PSU dying and not able to
deliver sufficient power momentarily when the going gets tough.  If you
still have the old SB3, try a different PSU..


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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[chamonix]

> I'm a long-term SqueezeBox owner (going back to 2006) and it has been
> one of my best purchases.
> What are your strategies to keep the music playing?

I have two SB3s from 2006. Still have the original Slim Devices paper
owners manuals. But one of my SB3s started randomly re-booting. I
ordered and replaced wiFi card with daughter boards from China. But
rebooting problem just got worse. So I finally dove into the used SB3
shark pool, on E-bay. 
Got lucky with a good unit, remote and PS for less than $100. All seems
to work ok, with some help (de-listing original owner's unit MAC # on
mysqueezebox) from Michael Herger.

All good now , with link working to my Pandora music stations again!



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[earthbased]

MeSue wrote: 
> I’ve been enjoying the hands free experience with Amazon Echo. Mostly I
> use Echo for Pandora and Squeezebox for my music library (since I’m not
> as likely to be skipping unwanted tracks with my owned music). It’s nice
> to just say, "I don’t like this song," and have it instantly banished
> from my station without having to find a remote, reach for the front
> panel, or dig out my phone. 
> 
> I've been tempted to switch to Spotify so I can have one on-demand music
> service that works with both, but I am still holding out with Napster
> and hoping for an Echo integration. 
> 
> My two two main gripes with Alexa for music, though, is with volume
> control. The lowest volume for music is still too loud if you just want
> low background music while having a conversation, and then if you leave
> it low for music, it’s not loud enough for other things like hearing the
> weather or whatever. Also there is no replay gain which really bugs me.
> And it’s annoying to interrupt the music every time you ask Alexa for
> something. 
> 
> But it if I had to do without Squeezebox, I could get by with Amazon
> Echo.

My biggest gripe with Alexa is no REPLAY GAIN.   Why cannot Amazon
implement that?



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[sgmlaw]

Agree with all the others.  Stock up on spares and known failure parts. 
In my experience, the SB ecosystem has proven fairly durable and robust.


And knowing how to repair the known failure points on some models, and
what steps to take to reduce wear on those components, and to work
around them if necessary, helps enormously as well.

For instance, keep the VFDs on models that use them at low intensity or
off as much as possible.  Take it easy on the Classic/Transporter style
remotes, which are known for IR emitter failures.  The era of smart
devices and apps has reduced the need for both.  And don't crank up the
volume on a Radio or Boom much past 40 if you want to preserve the
speakers.

And for all those models with cheap wall wart supplies, make sure they
are always getting clean, stable, transient-protected power.  Nothing
can chew up a piece of electronics as quickly as a low-quality,
out-of-spec, failing or bad PSU can.

At this point, our inventory of Squeezeboxes and repair elements will
probably now outlive me.  But even if the platform ever became
unworkable, the technology and marketplace has now evolved to the point
where there are now plenty of escape rafts.  Unlike in 2005, in today's
era of 4k video streams, storing and streaming even uncompressed high
definition audio files around in most homes is now incidental.  The only
thing irreplaceable is one's personal music library.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[gorman]

My long term solution is relying for as long as I can on my current
setup (1 SB3, 3 Boom, 1 SB2) and the spares I have in storage (1 Boom
and 1 SB2). If/when I'll run out of spares, I think Raspberry Pi should
suffice. I'm currently at a point in my life where I think my
SqueezeServer might end up outliving me, to be honest. And that's fine.
This is a testament to the good that can come out of open sourcing a
project.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Korny Sietsma]

In a separate discussion, someone pointed me to forked-daapd:
https://github.com/ejurgensen/forked-daapd#forked-daapd

This looks quite appealing - it has a long list of supported players,
including ChromeCast which would fit my needs quite well.  Anyone here
tried it?

- Korny

On 8 April 2018 at 23:30, dbwat 
wrote:

>
> This is a fun thread. Re: family adoption, my wife had no problem with
> the Boom. It became a habit for her: it took, she could play her music,
> it always worked. She controlled it through the browser for a couple
> years, then mostly Pandora through the remote.
>
> The other SBs required things to be turned on or universal remotes to be
> used. An extra step or steps. A stray gesture of the universal remote,
> not all the commands were received, why isn’t this working? Just enough
> friction in the experience and no thanks, Bluetooth speaker carried room
> to room works just fine. In general it just wasn’t worth it for her.
>
> Then there’s the platform itself. I’ve had some networking transition
> pains (moved to a new home with plaster/lathe walls, segmented rooms, so
> I transitioned to a new mesh network product and essentially beta-tested
> the product for some time before it was stabilized with the SBs), but
> they’ve been unrelated to my family’s adoption. Just a little too geeky
> for them. Is this an inherently geeky platform? This is part of the fun,
> right? It is for me anyway.
>
> The family recently took to Spotify, and the Sonos One speakers I
> peppered through the home takes their voice commands and plays Spotify
> and Pandora for them. They can turn speakers on and off through direct
> interaction with the speakers.
>
> So I’m down to one Transporter now, and I’m not giving it up anytime
> soon. I get to listen to music through a great hardware product with an
> amazing LMS platform actively cared for by Michael and this community.
> And my fam gets to talk to the Sonos speakers and hear what they want in
> any room. Everybody’s happy.
>
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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[dbwat]

This is a fun thread. Re: family adoption, my wife had no problem with
the Boom. It became a habit for her: it took, she could play her music,
it always worked. She controlled it through the browser for a couple
years, then mostly Pandora through the remote.

The other SBs required things to be turned on or universal remotes to be
used. An extra step or steps. A stray gesture of the universal remote,
not all the commands were received, why isn’t this working? Just enough
friction in the experience and no thanks, Bluetooth speaker carried room
to room works just fine. In general it just wasn’t worth it for her.

Then there’s the platform itself. I’ve had some networking transition
pains (moved to a new home with plaster/lathe walls, segmented rooms, so
I transitioned to a new mesh network product and essentially beta-tested
the product for some time before it was stabilized with the SBs), but
they’ve been unrelated to my family’s adoption. Just a little too geeky
for them. Is this an inherently geeky platform? This is part of the fun,
right? It is for me anyway.

The family recently took to Spotify, and the Sonos One speakers I
peppered through the home takes their voice commands and plays Spotify
and Pandora for them. They can turn speakers on and off through direct
interaction with the speakers.

So I’m down to one Transporter now, and I’m not giving it up anytime
soon. I get to listen to music through a great hardware product with an
amazing LMS platform actively cared for by Michael and this community.
And my fam gets to talk to the Sonos speakers and hear what they want in
any room. Everybody’s happy.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Zn0rt]

So far the logitechmediaserver-7.9.0-1 on the CentOS 7.4 server feeding
the Touch on the big stereo (with an ify iDAC2 USB DAC - does everything
incl. DSD, really excellent), the Radio, Player 3 Classic, the
SqueezeLites running on the Windows 10 PCs, the SB Player on the Android
phones, and SB Control on the Androids doing remote control for all of
it, all works perfectly.

Should any of the hardware fail (the Touch, the Radio...) I would see if
I could fix it, replace it with same, or use a raspberry based
replacement to keep running the Logitech the software.

-Z



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[majones]

pablolie wrote: 
> But it *does* require some geekiness to install and occasionally
> maintain - and it's fun for us. :-)
I got into squeezeboxes because my wife and I wanted a bedside radio
that would play the latest episode of The Archers on demand at bedtime.
Reciva provided this very nicely until the BBC messed around with its
codecs, so I had to look elsewhere and discovered the SB Boom and Radio
driven by LMS with the fantastic BBCiPlayer plugin that by virtue of
this community has withstood every further codec messing by the BBC.
It's a real shame that Logitech couldn't successfully commercialise this
concept despite giving it every chance, with Radios finding their way
onto John Lewis' shelves, and the dumbed-down UE. I'm not giving up on
squeezeboxes, but I can now play the latest episode of The Archers
simply by saying "Alexa, The Archers" to my Echos, so I think I will
probably drift away. It would be great if Logitech put their thinking
hats on and re-injected some commercial energy into the project. For
example, rebuilding the SB concept tied to their Harmony hub.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[DJanGo]

w3wilkes wrote: 
> The big issue is the ripping and meticulous tagging of your music that's
> required. The proper tagging of your music can make or break the ease of
> use of SB.

?

My "real" library is stored in many boxes with a printed label on it. 
sorting my "real" library is a bigger mess than adding some tags to the
ripped files.
Most ( >75% of my "real" library) is on vinyl even that wasnt a big
issue it was fun because i knew the benefefits of that work.

Back to Topic:

What is the meaning of long term?
I just walked with my kid and my parents Dogs around my parents town and
we found some boxes full with VHS Tapes at a corner on the street.

When i was that old as my kid is now everyone had these vhs Tapes -
today i had to explain my little daughter what she just saw in the
rubbish...



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[drmatt]

I don't think so. Straightforward though I agree it is the sheer
overwhelming quantity of stuff on every screen is what puts people off
these things. Even if you don't have to change anything at all,
presenting that many choices scares the living bejeezus out of anyone
who isn't techie.

Just to add your music folders is a mission without an awareness of
where *not* to click and let's face it even to get there you have to be
in the small minority of people who actually want to run a home server.
Most don't.

LMS is awesome, but in a world of dumbed down material design it
presents approximately 1000 times as many choices as a novice needs to
play their music.


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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[w3wilkes]

pablolie wrote: 
> The system is very usable these days. But it *does* require some
> geekiness to install and occasionally maintain - and it's fun for us.
> :-)

I don't think it's either the install or use of SB, they're pretty
straight forward. The big issue is the ripping and meticulous tagging of
your music that's required. The proper tagging of your music can make or
break the ease of use of SB.



Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.1 Nightly on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets
and Squeeseslave
Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.1 Nightly on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3
Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave

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[pablolie]

It's easy to get acceptance, especially now that stuff can be controlled
from a laptop.

I am solo again, but both my ex-wife and my ex-girlfriend learned
quickly to navigate to their favorite (and to me despicable, girl music
ugh) albums very easily on their iPads. It was so easy for them that the
hard part was to remain in control of what was being played when I chill
- as soon as you turn your back there's some Christina Aguilera or
Beyonce  playing (shiver :-D). Way too easy. Now... could they have
installed the thing by themselves? Questionable. Not because they're not
smart, but simply because they wouldn't care enough to go through the
motions. I have a feeling that 80% of people participating in this forum
are guys, and guys that are a little geeky too. That's why I like this
place. :-)

Oh, my mom lives with me 6 months out of the year. She *loves* the SB
Radio. I set it up for her fav radio stations from Spain and Colombia,
and all she has to do is push one of the preset keys. 

The system is very usable these days. But it *does* require some
geekiness to install and occasionally maintain - and it's fun for us.
:-)



...pablo
Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 14 Pro) running Ubuntu
16.04 + LMS 7.9
System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval
Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem
Element Fire
Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem
DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub
Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado
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[majones]

castalla wrote: 
> Thanks - think I've sorted it .  As usual my error in not keeping up
> with housekeeping of old accumulated files!
Good to know. I'll be interested to know how useful you find the Echo
with LMS playlists.



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[castalla]

majones wrote: 
> I'm happy to help. Just start a thread on I'll do what I can.

Thanks - think I've sorted it .  As usual my error in not keeping up
with housekeeping of old accumulated files!



Touch, Logitech Radio, Logitech UE Radio, O2 Joggler + SqpOS 
UPnPBridge - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers; Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8
speaker; Pioneer WX-SMA1 speaker;  - PURE One Flow internet radio: PURE
Jongo S3x ; Jongo T2; Libratone Zipp
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[majones]

castalla wrote: 
> Yes, the playlists are picked up by MyMedia - but all are 0 entries. 
> Tracks are all mp3.  I'd like to sort this - any idea where to continue
> if you are willing to help out?
I'm happy to help. Just start a thread on I'll do what I can.



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[castalla]

majones wrote: 
> Mine are too. Obviously this isn't the right forum to sort out
> mymediaalexa ... but, is your LMS playlist location on the mymedia watch
> list, and presuming so do the playlists show the correct track count? If
> the latter is zero, it may be that the file format can't be played by
> the Echos, so you'll need to switch on ffmpeg.

Yes, the playlists are picked up by MyMedia - but all are 0 entries. 
Tracks are all mp3.  I'd like to sort this - any idea where to continue
if you are willing to help out?



Touch, Logitech Radio, Logitech UE Radio, O2 Joggler + SqpOS 
UPnPBridge - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers; Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8
speaker; Pioneer WX-SMA1 speaker;  - PURE One Flow internet radio: PURE
Jongo S3x ; Jongo T2; Libratone Zipp
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AirplayBridge - Loewe Airspeaker
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[majones]

castalla wrote: 
> My files are located on a NAS ... and mymedia playlists don't work for
> me unless I edit them.
Mine are too. Obviously this isn't the right forum to sort out
mymediaalexa ... but, is your LMS playlist location on the mymedia watch
list, and presuming so do the playlists show the correct track count? If
the latter is zero, it may be that the file format can't be played by
the Echos, so you'll need to switch on ffmpeg.



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[castalla]

majones wrote: 
> I'm not sure this is the right thread for this, but I'm running
> squeezeboxes and Alexa Echos in parallel to explore the future one-box
> options. With the help of the developers at mymediaalexa.com, I
> eventually discovered that playlists created with LMS work just fine on
> Echos provided the mymediaalexa server is run on the same device
> (thereby having the same file paths). I also had some initial confusion
> as the Echos won't play FLAC, WMA, WAV or OGG, but mymediaalexa can link
> to ffmpeg to enable playback.
> 
> So I'm now happily creating playlists on LMS, and Alexa lets me call
> them up on my Echos too.

My files are located on a NAS ... and mymedia playlists don't work for
me unless I edit them.



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UPnPBridge - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers; Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8
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Jongo S3x ; Jongo T2; Libratone Zipp
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[majones]

castalla wrote: 
> Playlists - no - you have to edit them sadly.
I'm not sure this is the right thread for this, but I'm running
squeezeboxes and Alexa Echos in parallel to explore the future one-box
options. With the help of the developers at mymediaalexa.com, I
eventually discovered that playlists created with LMS work just fine on
Echos provided the mymediaalexa server is run on the same device
(thereby having the same file paths). I also had some initial confusion
as the Echos won't play FLAC, WMA, WAV or OGG, but mymediaalexa can link
to ffmpeg to enable playback.

So I'm now happily creating playlists on LMS, and Alexa lets me call
them up on my Echos too.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Michael Herger]

I've had no problems getting acceptance of the squeezebox setup. A few
reasons.


My kids grew up with them - no acceptance problems there :-). They 
started using the Radio/Touch at the age of three. They better 
remembered the position of their favorite album within a list than I 
would ever do. And with the help of a custom library view they hardly 
ever got lost. Now that the older can read/write, Star Wars Rebels, 
Europe's "Final Countdown" and other kids favorites from Spotify are 
flooding our home... They don't even know the concept of a disc or tape 
any more.


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[drmatt]

I've had no problems getting acceptance of the squeezebox setup. A few
reasons. 

1) all the CDs went in a box in the loft... and I sold all the CD
players!  ;)
2) universal remotes make switching the audio on easy in each room (even
for the TV to ensure the TV speakers don't get used)
3) we don't have any Bluetooth speakers
4) found a simple SB control app (Squeezer) and it's a no brainer

I will admit I'd not consider giving my parents a SB setup, however, no
matter how much I think it's a great system..


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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[markm9999]

dbwat wrote: 
> ...Had Squeezebox/LMS-specific problems off and on with my network since
> moving to eero mesh a few years ago until eero ironed things out. That
> took a while and I spent a *lot* of time fiddling with the network and
> the players in the meantime

Had never heard of eero, but based on your comment I did a quick lookup
- pressed play on there site 'commercial' and nearly spit out my adult
beverage - 'with eero's, everything just...works' :p

I for one understand the fam issue is always there.  My wife never even
took to the Boom we have in our living room.  She listens to music via
one of the tv channels over the little crappy speakers in the flat
screen.  For her, that's what 'just works'.

So cheers to you, and keep on rockin' your music of choice - over the
hardware of your choosing...

Now about the new Sonos One, with Built-In Alexa...Yeah, I don't think
so.



*Player: *1 x Transporter w/Trans-knob, 2 x Touch (Active, 3 x Spares),
4 x Boom (Active, 9 x Spares)
*Server: *1 x Win Server (ESXi 6.x) w/LMS, 1 x HP 24" Touch Screen PC
w/LMS & SqueezePlay
*Control: *4 x w/iPeng, 1 x Samsung Note 4, 3ea x Fire 7", 8” tablets, 1
x 10" all w/SqueezeCtrl & Player (Angry Goat)
*Audio: *Mark Levinson 23.5 Amp, 380s Pre, 390s CD, B 801 II, Acoustic
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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[dbwat]

Kaizen28 wrote: 
> Hi All,
> What are your strategies to keep the music playing?
> 

Another long-term Squeezebox owner here, back to 2004.
My plan was to stick with SB to the end, but recently, begrudgingly, and
sadly I swapped all my SBs but one for Sonos Ones.

Had Squeezebox/LMS-specific problems off and on with my network since
moving to eero mesh a few years ago until eero ironed things out. That
took a while and I spent a *lot* of time fiddling with the network and
the players in the meantime. It was a hassle and I lost confidence in
multi-room in particular, which is where I get a good bit of SB
enjoyment.

In addition, my wife never took to anything but the Boom, and instead
started carrying a Bluetooth speaker room to room. The needs of the
whole house hadn’t fully been addressed. This is probably worth another
thread, “How can we get the family to use the SBs?”

So I bought a pair of Sonos Ones for my wife, intending to double-up on
Sonos and SB in one room and keep the SBs in our other rooms. But we
liked the Sonos Ones so much I bought several more pairs, and now
they’ve taken hold. I took four SBs out a few weeks ago, leaving only a
Transporter in my living room.

The shame is that the SBs and multi-room stabilized as the eero solution
was hardened, but by then it was clear that we hadn’t solved for the
whole house, music is joy to the house, and Sonos is a better fit for
the whole fam than the SBs.

Man I’m sad to retire the SBs and some lovely speakers, but that’s where
we are at present.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[majones]

malaugh wrote: 
> I just bought a new Zettaly Any. My old one died after 3 years.  I
> really like it as a bedside clock.  The new version has Android 6.0. I
> bought it from amazon.  The sound is just OK.  I was running
> Squeezeplayer on the old unit, controlled by Orange Squeeze.
It's good to find a resonance, as it seems that very few people on the
forum (at least those that post) have much interest in the one-box
solution. The RPi has spawned a whole industry of hardware (HATs) that
fill the gaps as SB Classics, Duets and Touches give up the ghost, but
I'd be interested to know if anyone has pursued something to replace the
guts of a Boom or Radio with PCB failure? I know you can pull together
components and pop them in a box, but that lacks the professionalism of
the Boom, Radio, and the newfangled android / smart speakers.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[left channel]

agillis wrote: 
> There are a lot of new music playback software solutions out there now.
> Roon is a good one.
> 
> But Squeezebox server is still great. It was way ahead of it's time, is
> still very relevant today and has an active community supporting it.
> 
> There are lots of great Pi based solution that run Squeezelite.
> 
> Our microRendu (in squeezelite mode) + a good USB DAC is a better
> sounding solutions then the original squeezebox player products.

I resemble that remark! ultraRendu + a good USB DAC here. Sounds
fantastic. 

Also an SGC microJukebox running LMS for the ultraRendu, two Squeezebox
Touch units, the Squeezelite-X player/control app on a PC, and the
Squeezer control app on Android.


Apesbrain wrote: 
> My hat is off to you for everything you've done for the Squeezebox
> community, but your product plus a good USB DAC -should- be a "better
> sounding" solution given that it cost at least three times what you'd
> have paid for a Squeezebox Touch.  Nonetheless, where are your test
> results in support of this advertising claim?  Have you actually put a
> microRendu plus DAC up against a Transporter in a double-blind listening
> test?

I can confirm my 'Rendu sounds better than a Touch, especially without
an external DAC on the Touch. I'm sure the Transporter at least comes
close, and I like AKM-based designs, though a lot has happened since the
AK4396. I'm very tempted to grab one off eBay just to compare...though
I'm not sure where I'd put it! :-) 

But back to point of this thread, what would you do once all the
Squeezeboxen are gone? DIY with RasPi? Actually I'd rather tinker with
VortexBox on an Atom PC. But nah, I'll just trade up to Sonore and Small
Green Computer!



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[malaugh]

majones wrote: 
> The "one box" Android speakers with a screen (eg Zettaly Avy) looked
> promising, using the Squeeze Player app controlled by Orange Squeeze or
> similar, but I was too nervous to buy given the old version of Android
> (4.4), reported battery swelling, and obscure branding. I don't think
> they're available now, and I'd be interested to know if anyone has had
> positive experience of this.

I just bought a new Zettaly Any. My old one died after 3 years.  I
really like it as a bedside clock.  The new version has Android 6.0. I
bought it from amazon.  The sound is just OK.  I was running
Squeezeplayer on the old unit, controlled by Orange Squeeze. My
Squeezebox Duet died around the same time, so I switched to Chromecast
Audio on my main stereo, so now I run HiFi Cast for my local music, and
Tune in for radio and podcasts.  I still run LMS on my PC, it works good
as a DLNA server. I am happy with the new system, the only issue is
gapless playback is not as good as the Squeezebox. I am not a demanding
user, I play mp3s and never use whole house sync, so this system fits my
needs



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Apesbrain]

agillis wrote: 
> Our microRendu (in squeezelite mode) + a good USB DAC is a better
> sounding solutions then the original squeezebox player products.
My hat is off to you for everything you've done for the Squeezebox
community, but your product plus a good USB DAC -should- be a "better
sounding" solution given that it cost at least three times what you'd
have paid for a Squeezebox Touch.  Nonetheless, where are your test
results in support of this advertising claim?  Have you actually put a
microRendu plus DAC up against a Transporter in a double-blind listening
test?



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[markm9999]

drmatt wrote: 
> Re: buttons. Dead easy to implement on a Pi type thing. And you get to
> wire the buttons to any style of button you like, anywhere you like.
> 
> Big red nuclear button for your favourite track? Check. "Break glass
> here" safety button for peppa pig theme tune? Check...
> 
> 
> -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk-

Hah, hah, hah...I like it!



*Player: *1 x Transporter w/Trans-knob, 2 x Touch (Active, 3 x Spares),
4 x Boom (Active, 9 x Spares)
*Server: *1 x Win Server (ESXi 6.x) w/LMS, 1 x HP 24" Touch Screen PC
w/LMS & SqueezePlay
*Control: *4 x w/iPeng, 1 x Samsung Note 4, 3ea x Fire 7", 8” tablets, 1
x 10" all w/SqueezeCtrl & Player (Angry Goat)
*Audio: *Mark Levinson 23.5 Amp, 380s Pre, 390s CD, B 801 II, Acoustic
Energy AE-2 signature, SOTA Sapphire table

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[drmatt]

Re: buttons. Dead easy to implement on a Pi type thing. And you get to
wire the buttons to any style of button you like, anywhere you like.

Big red nuclear button for your favourite track? Check. "Break glass
here" safety button for peppa pig theme tune? Check...


-Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk-



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Debian+LMS 7.9.0
Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k
albums..

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[markm9999]

majones wrote: 
> The feature of the Boom and Radio that matters in my household is that
> we can just walk up, press some buttons, and listen to exactly what we
> want with decent sound quality. No bluetooth, no phone screens, no
> tangles of cables. That's proving very hard to replace with current
> hardware availability.

EXACTLY! Isn't it amazing a software (2001) / hardware (2008)
combination is STILL better than most anything on the market today...and
with much of the software side open source to boot!

No lock-in or planned obsolesce here!

Lenovo recently released a special 25th Anniversary laptop that
hearkened back to it's predecessor - the original IBM ThinkPad - due to
a bunch of ThinkPad fanatics :p

Maybe with enough prodding, we could get Logitech to do the same with
the SqueezeBox @ it's 20th!

Let's see now...a Boom with a Touch type display, BlueTooth 5, SD
slot(s), 2 Front/2 Back USB 3.1/USB-C ports, user removable/upgradable
SSD drive compartment (M.2 slot also?) and with an integrated Raspberry
Pi (or similar) to run LMS.  This would kick ASS



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4 x Boom (Active, 9 x Spares)
*Server: *1 x Win Server (ESXi 6.x) w/LMS, 1 x HP 24" Touch Screen PC
w/LMS & SqueezePlay
*Control: *4 x w/iPeng, 1 x Samsung Note 4, 3ea x Fire 7", 8” tablets, 1
x 10" all w/SqueezeCtrl & Player (Angry Goat)
*Audio: *Mark Levinson 23.5 Amp, 380s Pre, 390s CD, B 801 II, Acoustic
Energy AE-2 signature, SOTA Sapphire table

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[agillis]

There are a lot of new music playback software solutions out there now.
Roon is a good one.

But Squeezebox server is still great. It was way ahead of it's time, is
still very relevant today and has an active community supporting it.

There are lots of great Pi based solution that run Squeezelite.

Our microRendu (in squeezelite mode) + a good USB DAC is a better
sounding solutions then the original squeezebox player products.



rip, tag, get cover art… All you do is insert the CD!
http://vortexbox.org

agillis
Lead Developer VortexBox

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[chill]

drmatt wrote: 
> There is no standard class D amp in a boom, there's actually four
> separate amps being fed off a custom programmed DSP chip so it would be
> a project and a half to make use of anything other than the speakers and
> the box they sit in, unfortunately.

Ah yes, I remember that from the white paper.  Still, the speakers and
the box would nevertheless be a good place to start :)

As an aside, I also recall from the white paper that some level of
control over the DSP chip is possible via commands from LMS, and I
wondered if these commands are documented?  Out of idle curiosity, I
wondered if it would be possible to use the guts of a Boom to feed a
pair of 2-way active speakers, by perhaps by-passing the built-in amps
and modifying the digital crossover via LMS commands to suit different
drivers.  Sacrilege I know, and somewhat off-topic, so forget I
mentioned it!



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[drmatt]

majones wrote: 
> The feature of the Boom and Radio that matters in my household is that
> we can just walk up, press some buttons, and listen to exactly what we
> want with decent sound quality. No bluetooth, no phone screens, no
> tangles of cables. That's proving very hard to replace with current
> hardware availability.There is no standard class D amp in a boom, there's 
> actually four
separate amps being fed off a custom programmed DSP chip so it would be
a project and a half to make use of anything other than the speakers and
the box they sit in, unfortunately.


-Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk-



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Debian+LMS 7.9.0
Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k
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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[majones]

chill wrote: 
> Actually, if my Boom ever dies it would make more sense to use that as
> the basis for a 'Pi inside' project - there's a class D amp in there
> that could probably be fed from the Pi.  It would probably lose the tone
> controls unfortunately.
The feature of the Boom and Radio that matters in my household is that
we can just walk up, press some buttons, and listen to exactly what we
want with decent sound quality. No bluetooth, no phone screens, no
tangles of cables. That's proving very hard to replace with current
hardware availability.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[bernt]

Audio Pro ADDON C5 is the best Boom replacement I found so far.

It has preset buttons for internet radio and with the AirPlay bridge
plugin you can use it as a ordinary SB.



SB Touch to Hegel H90, Boston Acoustics A26.
SB 3 to Audio Pro T3.
AirPlay Bridge to Audio Pro C5 and Hegel H90.
SB BOOM
SB Radio
ReadyNAS 202
iPeng

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[chill]

TomAmes wrote: 
> 
> I will now re-focus my anxiety onto the Boom in the kitchen that has
> been doing yeoman's work for several years now and is still chugging
> along without complaint.

Haha - 're-focus my anxiety', I like it.

I've had similar thoughts.  For me the primary attraction of the Boom is
the fabulous sound quality, with tone controls to tune it to taste.  I
almost never use the controls on the front or look at the display.  So
I've often thought about getting a bluetooth speaker and replacing the
guts with a little Rpi (the Pi Zero W looks ideal).  I've never got as
far as researching a suitable bluetooth speaker.  The Bose Wave radios
also get good reports, so I've thought about buying one 'for parts' ,
and seeing what could be done with a Pi inside.  

Actually, if my Boom ever dies it would make more sense to use that as
the basis for a 'Pi inside' project - there's a class D amp in there
that could probably be fed from the Pi.  It would probably lose the tone
controls unfortunately.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[TomAmes]

Just added a Rpi/Hifiberry DAC+pro/pCP to my Squeezebox system of Boom
and Duet with two receivers. Following Apesbrain's "How-to" on another
page made it a much simpler process than I anticipated. I only hit one
minor speed-bump which was quickly resolved with a couple of helpful
responses to a question in another thread on this forum.

I didn't really need another player now, but I wanted to relieve my
anxiety about what I would do if a player failed. I'm willing to take a
shot at repairing one of my players if necessary, but I'm not confident
in my abilities. I wanted to ensure that I would be able to replace them
if necessary. 

The pi player is working great. Now I will be able to move the player
that was in that spot to a system in the den where my son didn't want a
Squeezebox player "cluttering up" the system there that was primarily
"his" as he only wanted to listen to his vinyl collection. Now that he
has gone off to college he no longer has a vote :)

I will now re-focus my anxiety onto the Boom in the kitchen that has
been doing yeoman's work for several years now and is still chugging
along without complaint.



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[d6jg]

Kaizen28 wrote: 
> Yeah... I've come to a similar conclusion for my needs. The Pi-based
> options are so tempting... it looks like a fun project with a low bar to
> entry. Stability is key for me. The stuff just has to work.
> 
> Thanks again for your thoughts.

Generally speaking a Pi based player has no more stability issues than a
true SB player. Occasionally requires a reboot that’s all. piCorePlayer
as a player not LMS survives power cuts very well due to its all in RAM
design.



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*Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TS606 -> Celestion F20s
*Office* - Pi3+Sreen -> Sony TAFE320 -> Celestion F10s / Pi2+DAC & SB3
-> Onkyo CRN755 -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes
*Dining Room* -> SB Boom 
*Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio)
*Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi2+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones
*Bedroom (TV)* - SB Touch ->Sherwood AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s
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[Kaizen28]

markm wrote: 
> That's why I'm not even thinking of abandoning the platform, especially
> with all the people that seem to revisit it after venturing off towards
> other solutions.  This just reinforced my decision a few years ago to
> stock up on existing older Logitech hardware.  And with small DIY
> endpoints like the Pi which will only become ever more powerful & have
> better stability and integration over time, I believe the it's the
> correct decision - at least for me...
> 
> Finally, the community is still strong - which certainly is very
> important at this point.
> 
> Good luck and happy listening!

Yeah... I've come to a similar conclusion for my needs. The Pi-based
options are so tempting... it looks like a fun project with a low bar to
entry. Stability is key for me. The stuff just has to work.

Thanks again for your thoughts.



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[markm9999]

Kaizen28 wrote: 
> It depends... I would like to satisfy two scenarios:
> 1 - Connect to a DAC, Amp and then Speakers
> 2 - Connect to a receiver and be part of an existing setup
> 
> Having an "interface" like the SB3 or the Touch is not necessary. My
> control is largely via iPeng or the Web Interface.
> 
> Finally, LMS is the brains of my system and I still really like it. It
> runs on a virtual machine. This makes it easy to move or to recover from
> when three are hardware issues.

Ok, so combination - easy hookup at times, but also more permanent
higher SQ setups also.

Well, as I'm sure you've read, there are a number of ways to go and I
expect these to only get better.  

That's why I'm not even thinking of abandoning the platform, especially
with all the people that seem to revisit it after venturing off towards
other solutions.  This just reinforced my decision a few years ago to
stock up on existing older Logitech hardware.  And with small DIY
endpoints like the Pi which will only become ever more powerful & have
better stability and integration over time, I believe the it's the
correct decision - at least for me...

Finally, the community is still strong - which certainly is very
important at this point.



1 x Transporter w/Trans-knob, 2 x Touch (Active, 3 x Spares), 4 x Boom
(Active, 8 x Spares)
1 x Win Server (ESXi 6.x) w/LMS
1 x HP 24" Touch Screen PC w/LMS & SqueezePlay)
4 x iDevices w/iPeng app/player
1 x Samsung Note 4, 3ea x Fire 7", 8” tablets, 1 x 10" all w/SqueezeCtrl
& Player (Angry Goat)
Mark Levinson 23.5 Amp, 380s Pre, 390s CD
B 801 II, Acoustic Energy AE-1 signature
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[Greg Erskine]

drmatt wrote: 
> Well, battery power is usually beneficial for sq but I've not found the
> sound quality from the controller to not be that great myself. It also
> struggles to maintain sync as its clock isn't very good. (Perhaps it
> plays fast and this is why you might prefer it?)

Thanks for the feedback.

It was only a brief test. My mate plugged his Controller in, played a
few tracks. Sounded fine to me.

regards
Greg



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[drmatt]

Greg Erskine wrote: 
> hi w3wilkes,
> 
> Yes, it's all very subjective and I didn't do proper abx tests, but
> worth checking out if people have the equipment at hand.
> 
> regards
> GregWell, battery power is usually beneficial for sq but I've not found the
sound quality from the controller to not be that great myself. It also
struggles to maintain sync as its clock isn't very good. (Perhaps it
plays fast and this is why you might prefer it?)


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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Greg Erskine]

hi w3wilkes,

Yes, it's all very subjective and I didn't do proper abx tests, but
worth checking out if people have the equipment at hand.

regards
Greg



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[w3wilkes]

Greg Erskine wrote: 
> Hi rgdawson,
> 
> Have you tried one of your Duet Controller as your source?
> 
> One of my friends plugged his into my system a few weeks back and I was
> very (pleasantly) surprised. It does require some software loaded and
> RCA splitter cable though. I think you will find them better than your
> Duet Receivers. 
> 
> regards
> Greg

So you're saying that the audio out of the Duet Controller's beta
renderer using a 3.5mm splitter from the headphone jack of the
controller to 2 RCA connectors into the RCA analog inputs on your amp is
better SQ than using the standard analog RCA connectors on the Duet
receiver to analog in on your amp?



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Greg Erskine]

rgdawson wrote: 
> I have a pile of Duet Receivers.  Looking ahead I once replaced them all
> with R-Pis running Max2play.  They were not reliable, I had to reboot
> them frequently, so I switched back to my pile of Duet receivers.  I
> think the reliability issue would be solved by adding sound cards and
> not relying on HDMI and that is what I'll do when the Duet Receivers
> die.  But they all still work.
> 
> R Greg Dawson

Hi rgdawson,

Have you tried one of your Duet Controller as your source?

One of my friends plugged his into my system a few weeks back and I was
very (pleasantly) surprised. It does require some software loaded and
RCA splitter cable though. I think you will find them better than your
Duet Receivers. 

regards
Greg



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[rgdawson]

I have a pile of Duet Receivers.  Looking ahead I once replaced them all
with R-Pis running Max2play.  They were not reliable, I had to reboot
them frequently, so I switched back to my pile of Duet receivers.  I
think the reliability issue would be solved by adding sound cards and
not relying on HDMI and that is what I'll do when the Duet Receivers
die.  But they all still work.

R Greg Dawson



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Korny Sietsma]

Jumping in as a lurker :) I'm not sure why I still subscribe to this list,
nostalgia I guess...  I haven't had a working slimserver for years.

My current solution is not very hi-fi, but it's fairly simple and quite
convenient:
- All my music is copied to a MicroSD card on an Android tablet
- I run an Android music player (Rocket Player is my current favourite, but
I've tried a few) to play music, select albums/playlists etc
- When at home I use a ChromeCast audio plugged into my amplifier to play
the music on the stereo.  When mobile I use headphones plugged into the
tablet.

The only fiddly thing is playlist management - my main music files are
managed by ITunes (as for years I used my iPod Classic as my main mobile
player, and it's handy for organising and ripping) - and I have to use some
hand-rolled scripts to turn iTunes playlists into m3u files.

I also sync my music to a Plex server, which in theory I can use to play
music on my PS4 - but in practice this sucks, the music interface is pretty
poor and it doesn't seem to do playlists at all.  I'd love to know if
there's any sort of PS4-based player that people like...

- Korny


On 20 March 2018 at 19:41, Kaizen28 <
kaizen28.8eg...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

>
> markm wrote:
> > I agree with the 'buy plenty of spares' comment ;);););) (see my
> > signature below!).
> >
> > To the original poster - could you clarify what type of functionality
> > you are looking for?
> > What I mean by this is, are you looking for the ability to play high
> > sampling rates, use an outboard DAC, etc., or are you just looking for a
> > simple 'end point' to plug into your stereo.
>
> It depends... I would like to satisfy two scenarios:
> 1 - Connect to a DAC, Amp and then Speakers
> 2 - Connect to a receiver and be part of an existing setup
>
> Having an "interface" like the SB3 or the Touch is not necessary. My
> control is largely via iPeng or the WebInterface.
>
> Finally, LMS is the brains of my system and I still really like it. It
> runs on a virtual machine. This makes it easy to move or to recover from
> when three are hardware issues.
>
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[Kaizen28]

markm wrote: 
> I agree with the 'buy plenty of spares' comment ;);););) (see my
> signature below!).
> 
> To the original poster - could you clarify what type of functionality
> you are looking for?
> What I mean by this is, are you looking for the ability to play high
> sampling rates, use an outboard DAC, etc., or are you just looking for a
> simple 'end point' to plug into your stereo.

It depends... I would like to satisfy two scenarios:
1 - Connect to a DAC, Amp and then Speakers
2 - Connect to a receiver and be part of an existing setup

Having an "interface" like the SB3 or the Touch is not necessary. My
control is largely via iPeng or the WebInterface.

Finally, LMS is the brains of my system and I still really like it. It
runs on a virtual machine. This makes it easy to move or to recover from
when three are hardware issues.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[markm9999]

drmatt wrote: 
> Not quite "one box", but an android device and Bluetooth speaker would
> fit the bill.
> 
> 
> -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk-

Yup! That too! ;)



1 x Transporter w/Trans-knob, 2 x Touch (Active, 3 x Spares), 4 x Boom
(Active, 8 x Spares)
1 x Win Server (ESXi 6.x) w/LMS
1 x HP 24" Touch Screen PC w/LMS & SqueezePlay)
4 x iDevices w/iPeng app/player
1 x Samsung Note 4, 3ea x Fire 7", 8” tablets, 1 x 10" all w/SqueezeCtrl
& Player (Angry Goat)
Mark Levinson 23.5 Amp, 380s Pre, 390s CD
B 801 II, Acoustic Energy AE-1 signature
SOTA Sapphire table

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[markm9999]

Recoveryone wrote: 
> I added a Pioneer Elite N50 to my LMS system to blend in with the main
> family room rig. I have 6 other Touches around the rest of the house and
> a SB3 and Duet on stand by in the garage. SQ is still and will always be
> the key point of any system you want to replace a Slim Device/Logitech
> player.


While I agree sound quality is an important aspect, some are more
sensitive to SQ than others.  Let's face it, depending on the listening
situation, sometimes convenience trumps SQ.

That's why I addressed the original poster, since he was using SB/Touch,
to ask what he was doing with it.

Others gravitate to using self contained Boom's/Radio's.  As good as
they are, they are lower SQ than a full blown stereo rig.

As per my earlier post, for late night listening or just a quick
portable solution, I use phones/tablets plugged into headphones or other
self-powered/portable speakers...even a 1/8" to L/R RCA connector at a
few friends houses that haven't embraced the LMS infrastructure...yet! 
They think it's wild I can stream music to their house from my
collection in just a few minutes.


BTW, interesting device. Is that using DLNA to communicate?



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(Active, 8 x Spares)
1 x Win Server (ESXi 6.x) w/LMS
1 x HP 24" Touch Screen PC w/LMS & SqueezePlay)
4 x iDevices w/iPeng app/player
1 x Samsung Note 4, 3ea x Fire 7", 8” tablets, 1 x 10" all w/SqueezeCtrl
& Player (Angry Goat)
Mark Levinson 23.5 Amp, 380s Pre, 390s CD
B 801 II, Acoustic Energy AE-1 signature
SOTA Sapphire table

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Recoveryone]

I added a Pioneer Elite N50 to my LMS system to blend in with the main
family room rig. I have 6 other Touches around the rest of the house and
a SB3 and Duet on stand by in the garage. SQ is still and will always be
the key point of any system you want to replace a Slim Device/Logitech
player.



Pioneer Elite N50 main HT rig hardwired to router connected

1st Touch Wirelessly connected (Master Bedroom)

2nd Touch Wirelessly connected (bedroom)

3rd Touch Wirelessly connected (bedroom)

4th Touch  Wirelessly connected (livingroom)

5th Touch  Wirelessly connected (downstairs bedroom)

Server (In garage)
running on Duo Core P4 3.0 GHz 8 gig ram
Windows 7 pro 64 bit
350 Xternal gigHD
1.5 TB backup 
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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[castalla]

majones wrote: 
> That's good to know. With your setup, can mymediaalexa read the
> playlists created by LMS? One of the contrarian quirks of this
> combination is that ffmpeg has to convert mp4 to flac for my Booms and
> SB3, but has to convert flac to mp4 for my Echo. Sign of the times, eh?

Playlists - no - you have to edit them sadly.



Touch, Logitech Radio, Logitech UE Radio, O2 Joggler + SqpOS 
UPnPBridge - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers; Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8
speaker; Pioneer WX-SMA1 speaker;  - PURE One Flow internet radio: PURE
Jongo S3x ; Jongo T2; Libratone Zipp
Castbridge - Chromecast 1 + Chromecast Audio
AirplayBridge - Loewe Airspeaker
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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[majones]

castalla wrote: 
> MyMedia is very good - can run on a Pi alongside LMS.
That's good to know. With your setup, can mymediaalexa read the
playlists created by LMS? One of the contrarian quirks of this
combination is that ffmpeg has to convert mp4 to flac for my Booms and
SB3, but has to convert flac to mp4 for my Echo. Sign of the times, eh?



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[castalla]

majones wrote: 
> It looks so much like a SB Radio! But unfortunately it doesn't seem
> to have a way of communicating with a local server (LMS or other) unlike
> the actual SB Radio. I've discovered that Alexa can communicate with a
> local server (mymediaalexa) but not LMS, so that's the path I'm looking
> at most closely.

MyMedia is very good - can run on a Pi alongside LMS.



Touch, Logitech Radio, Logitech UE Radio, O2 Joggler + SqpOS 
UPnPBridge - 2 paired Sonos Play1 speakers; Rocki - Sony SRS-BTM8
speaker; Pioneer WX-SMA1 speaker;  - PURE One Flow internet radio: PURE
Jongo S3x ; Jongo T2; Libratone Zipp
Castbridge - Chromecast 1 + Chromecast Audio
AirplayBridge - Loewe Airspeaker
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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[majones]

usc95 wrote: 
> You may be able to use this device coupled with Phillippe's Chromecast
> Bridge plugin:
> https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Digital-Wireless-Internet-Bluetooth/dp/B071L8XYGD/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics=UTF8=1521478811=1-1=grace+digital
It looks so much like a SB Radio! But unfortunately it doesn't seem
to have a way of communicating with a local server (LMS or other) unlike
the actual SB Radio. I've discovered that Alexa can communicate with a
local server (mymediaalexa) but not LMS, so that's the path I'm looking
at most closely.



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[majones]

drmatt wrote: 
> Not quite "one box", but an android device and Bluetooth speaker would
> fit the bill.
The "one box" Android speakers with a screen (eg Zettaly Avy) looked
promising, using the Squeeze Player app controlled by Orange Squeeze or
similar, but I was too nervous to buy given the old version of Android
(4.4), reported battery swelling, and obscure branding. I don't think
they're available now, and I'd be interested to know if anyone has had
positive experience of this.



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[usc95]

majones wrote: 
> I don't mean to deviate from the OP's needs, but it would be interesting
> to know what others are using to replace the self-contained units such
> as Boom and Radio. I just want to walk up to a unit, turn it on, use it
> to specify what I want to hear from my local collection, and then hear
> it.

You may be able to use this device coupled with Phillippe's Chromecast
Bridge plugin:
https://www.amazon.com/Grace-Digital-Wireless-Internet-Bluetooth/dp/B071L8XYGD/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics=UTF8=1521478811=1-1=grace+digital

Or, you could always build your own like some people
have..https://pithesiser.wordpress.com/2014/09/07/digression-1-squeezepi/



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[drmatt]

Not quite "one box", but an android device and Bluetooth speaker would
fit the bill.


-Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk-



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[callesoroe]

Kaizen28 wrote: 
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm a long-term SqueezeBox owner (going back to 2006) and it has been
> one of my best purchases. My hardware it mostly soldiering on but I'm
> sure at some point they will start to fail. I've had a SB3 fail and
> replaced it with a Touch, courtesy of Ebay. This works fine as an
> interim fix but my concern is the long term.
> 
> I've looked at other options (like SONOS) but none of them provide the
> flexibility and scale that I currently have.
> 
> What are your strategies to keep the music playing?
> 
> Thank you.

Praying for a Transporter MKII  :rolleyes:



Callesoroe
Living room: Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan
Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma
PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas)
Kitchen: Receiver - S.M.S.L DAC, Prodipe Pro 5 active bi-amp speakers.
Bedroom: Receiver+UE boombox, Kids: Receiver+Active speakers, Office:
Transporter, JBL LSR305 active speakers , TIDAL HIFI flac streaming.
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[majones]

markm wrote: 
> To the original poster - could you clarify what type of functionality
> you are looking for? What I mean by this is, are you looking for the
> ability to play high sampling rates, use an outboard DAC, etc., or are
> you just looking for a simple 'end point' to plug into your stereo.
I don't mean to deviate from the OP's needs, but it would be interesting
to know what others are using to replace the self-contained units such
as Boom and Radio. I just want to walk up to a unit, turn it on, use it
to specify what I want to hear from my local collection, and then hear
it.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[markm9999]

I agree with the 'buy plenty of spares' comment ;);););) (see my
signature below!).

To the original poster - could you clarify what type of functionality
you are looking for?
What I mean by this is, are you looking for the ability to play high
sampling rates, use an outboard DAC, etc., or are you just looking for a
simple 'end point' to plug into your stereo.

You mention an SB3 & Touch - these display the currently playing title,
allow you to control what's play directly on the device - are these
desired 'requirements'?

I ask because just about any device can become an 'endpoint' using the
SqueezePlay/SqueezeLite software, including as noted in other posts
Raspberry Pi's, PC's, Mac computers, etc.

Also, for 'controlling' the music virtually any device can do that.

I personally use the awesome iPeng app (iDevices only), and the equally
great SqueezeCtrl (Angry Goat Software).  Both of these offer on-device
playback as well with an optional purchase (iPeng In-App, AG=SB
Player).

So I use them as 'controllers', and the iPhone/Note 4 as 'endpoints'
when I want to use headphones and be mobile - like when I'm working
around the house or late at night...like now :eek: or I go to a buddies
house for music nights.

Here is a screen grab of my iPhone running iPeng, and a picture of my
Samsung Note 4 (Android Phone), an Amazon Fire 7" tablet, and an Amazon
Fire 8" tablet running the SqueezeCtrl app.
The Fire tablets I picked up at Christmas time when they were running a
special (3pk 7"=$80, 3pk 8"=$120), but any old Android phone or iPhone,
iPod/iPad, Samsung tablet, etc. will do.  
Many people nowadays probably have them stuck in a drawer collecting
dust.

I even have an old iPod touch (2nd gen?) from 2009 that still works,
though the battery only holds a charge for about an 20-60 mins depending
on if it's just playback (screen off) or browsing my catalog.

This is why I ABSOLUTELY LOVE this platform - there is nothing like it,
and the supporting community is outstanding!

24745...24744

And for a mobile/low power always on LMS server, use an old laptop or
something like this HP EliteDesk 800 / ProDesk 600 G2, G3 (G4 now?). 
I'm sure the Dell or other brands of mini's are fine also. These can be
had on eBay for $250-$400 depending on various factors.  Note, this
shows a vented top - this is a HP EliteDesk 800 G2 w/i5-6500 (NOT
i5-6500*T*).  This Elite also has an extra fan under the HD...found that
out by accident.  The venting & fan helps keep the HD SIGNIFICANTLY
cooler.  Add a 1-2-3-4TB 2.5" HD (watch the height!!!) and there ya go!
An older MAC Mini also makes a great low power mini server.

All of these will have more umpf than any home NAS.  

Use a Small Form Factor (SFF) model to use 3.5" drives, or to add 2 x
2.5" drives for internal drive redundancy.  For a couple of friends, I
used this hardware in concert with a DAPHILE installation - they are
THRILLED with it!

24747

All: Feel free to PM me if you want more details off line...I don't sell
or have any financial interest in the software devs, or hardware items.
Just want to share my experiences and pay back for all the 'lurking'
I've been doing in these forms for a number of years :rolleyes:

No post like this is complete without a shout out to one Michael Herger
for development, support, and encouragement of all the many
developers/Plugin creators of this platform!


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1 x Win Server (ESXi 6.x) w/LMS
1 x HP 24" Touch Screen PC w/LMS & SqueezePlay)
4 x iDevices w/iPeng app/player
1 x Samsung Note 4, 3ea x Fire 7", 8” tablets, 1 x 10" all w/SqueezeCtrl
& Player (Angry Goat)
Mark Levinson 23.5 Amp, 380s Pre, 390s CD
B 801 II, Acoustic Energy AE-1 signature
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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[philippe_44]

Personally, I would like to be able to make my Chromecast plugin work
with synchronization and then I would have a perfect set between my real
SB and AirPlay/CC devices. The PIs are good, but I would still replace
them by a CC if I could. Maybe one day Google will release their sync
protocol. I know Sonos will never ever, so I've given up on this one



LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos
PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000,
ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi
B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010,
AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[edwin2006]

Rp3 + hifiberry + pcp is really easy to setup and can even being bought
assembled at varies shops.



*SqueezeBoxes:* 2x SB2 (Living room and study), 1x Radio (Kitchen), 1x
Boom (Dining room), 1x piCorePlayer (jacuzzi), 1x piCorePlayer (Garden)
1x OSMC + Squeezelite (Movie room), 1x Touch (Bedroom)
*Server:* LMS on Pi3 7.9.1. on PcP 3.21
*Network:* AVM Fritzbox, D-Link Smart Switch 24p, 3x Ubiquity

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Kaizen28]

left channel wrote: 
> You really did *not* expect this explosion of replies, no?  :-) 

Yes - poor typing on my part. Thanks for that. :p

On reflection, I've been looking at external DACs like the Bifrost from
Schiit. Consequently, the COAX option could be the path to investigate
further.

Also, to the point that you raise, there is only so much time tinkering
that I'm prepared to invest. Very true.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[left channel]

Apesbrain wrote: 
> While the DigiOne is strictly coax/BNC, Allo also offers a DAC board
> with RCA analog out.  Alternatives with optical/coax or analog output
> are available from HiFiBerry as well as others.
> 
> A few people have mentioned spending more (e.g. Sonore) to get "better
> sound quality/SQ".  If you are using your RPi as a digital transport to
> feed an external DAC, be advised that no one has ever demonstrated any
> difference in sound between the $130 RPi solution and those costing 10x
> that amount.  Squeezelite on RPi will play up to DSD (via DoP) if that's
> your thing.

"A few people" being me (and my multiple personalities? :-) I'll
clarify: 

• the SQ improvement is in comparison to Logitech, Sonos, and
Alexa/HomePod/Google, 

• Sonore/SGC/Vortex box solutions can be had for about 5x that PRi price
or less (not 10x), and, 

• less techie/hobbyist users may want to include the value of their time
when making price comparisons.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Apesbrain]

Kaizen28 wrote: 
> Whatever source I use has to have either RCA or optical or both. So, I'm
> uncertain about the DigiOne option.
While the DigiOne is strictly coax/BNC, Allo also offers a DAC board
with RCA analog out.  Alternatives with optical/coax or analog output
are available from HiFiBerry as well as others.

A few people have mentioned spending more (e.g. Sonore) to get "better
sound quality/SQ".  If you are using your RPi as a digital transport to
feed an external DAC, be advised that no one has ever demonstrated any
difference in sound between the $130 RPi solution and those costing 10x
more.  Squeezelite on RPi will play up to DSD128 if that's your thing.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[left channel]

Kaizen28 wrote: 
> So... I really did expect this explosion of replies. Wow - thank you!
> 
> It's probably worth me providing a little more detail as to what I
> actually listen to
> 1 - My own library (painstakingly assembled over decades (honestly) and
> ripped at the highest possible rate. There is a appreciable chunk (~15%)
> of my content that doesn't exist on the streaming services)
> 2 - Radio streams like NPR via TuneIn
> 3 - I airplay podcasts via a parallel source
> 
> The Pi options are intriguing. Whatever source I use has to have either
> RCA or optical or both. So, I'm uncertain about the DigiOne option.
> 
> Thank you all again.

You really did *not* expect this explosion of replies, no?  :-) 

Just the fact that you mentioned "highest possible rate" makes me wonder
if you'd be satisfied with Sonos long-term, given that their sample rate
ceiling is 48 kHz and I imagine you might get into hi-res downloads at
some point. Even an eight year-old Squeezebox Touch supports 96 kHz.
(Birthday coming up! Born 'April 2010'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch).)

RasPi offers many possibilities, while I'd consider the
Amazon/Apple/Google products a step down in sound quality and options,
even for those who don't care about privacy. (Recently while standing
near someone's Alexa I found myself providing her a lock combination
with hand signals, as if we were at a military base or embassy...) 

I'm very impressed with the RasPi enthusiasts on this forum, but again I
feel I should mention Sonore and Small Green Computer products as they
would be less of an ongoing project while still offering wonderful
upgrades to sample rates, SQ, and control.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[chill]

I've recently been exploring RPi and Joggler options.  I have a Pi3 with
a cheap digital output board so that I can output to my DAC - I haven't
bothered with a case for it, so as noted above it's a bit of an ugly
mess, but when it's hidden in a cabinet it's immaterial.  I did
experiment with moving LMS to the Pi, but it isn't quite as snappy as my
10-year-old MacMini, so the Pi is now just a player.  To control it I
have a Joggler, running Squeezeplay OS.  I've turned off the 'player'
part of the Joggler, and set it to control the Pi, so there are no
issues with lockups.  In use this setup is indistinguishable from the
Touch that I used to use in the same location, except that the Joggler
has a bigger screen :)

[image:
http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Joggler%20versus%20Touch_1024.jpg]



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Kaizen28]

So... I really did expect this explosion of replies. Wow - thank you!

It's probably worth me providing a little more detail as to what I
actually listen to
1 - My own library (painstakingly assembled over decades (honestly) and
ripped at the highest possible rate. There is a appreciable chunk (~15%)
of my content that doesn't exist on the streaming services)
2 - Radio streams like NPR via TuneIn
3 - I airplay podcasts via a parallel source

The Pi options are intriguing. Whatever source I use has to have either
RCA or optical or both. So, I'm uncertain about the DigiOne option.

Thank you all again.



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Grumpy Bob]

I presently have an SB Touch, two SB Radios and a (currently retired)
SB3. I have never had a problem with them. I also have a Pi3 running LMS
on piCorePlayer, and three raspberry Pi (of various vintages and DACs)
running piCorePlayer as a player. So I guess my long term solutions
would be in the Raspberry Pi direction (though I also use iPads as
players).

Robert



*Home: *Raspberry Pi 3/piCoreplayer/LMS7.9.1  with files on QNAP TS-239
Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega
Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3)
PiCorePlayer(Pi2) with IQAudIO DAC+>Sennheisers 
2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare
Pi2/piCorePlayer
*Office:* LMS7.9 running on WiFi MyPassport drive >
piCorePlayer(PiB)/HiFiBerryDAC > Amptastic Amplifier
SqueezePad, iPeng as controllers 

last.fm/user/GrumpyBob

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Kaizen28]

majones wrote: 
> I had a snigger, because when I first read this I thought you'd said
> "soldering on", which I thought was very apt for the way to keep your
> squeezeboxes working! Worked for my SB3!

Very true! :p



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[majones]

Kaizen28 wrote: 
> My hardware it mostly soldiering on ...
I had a snigger, because when I first read this I thought you'd said
"soldering on", which I thought was very apt for the way to keep your
squeezeboxes working! Worked for my SB3!



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[drmatt]

KeBul wrote: 
> Assume drmatt actually means "but the Joggler would regularly fail" and
> I would agree with this from my experiences

Well spotted.. :)


-Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk-



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Debian+LMS 7.9.0
Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k
albums..

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[epoch1970]

Besides a stockpile of SB3s and piCorePlayers, I use Airplay speakers
thanks to philippe_44's Airplay bridge. Works and syncs very fine.



3 SB 3 • Libratone Loop, Zipp Mini • iPeng (iPhone + iPad) • LMS 7.9
(linux) with plugins: CD Player, WaveInput, Triode's BBC iPlayer by bpa
• IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) • Server Power Control by Gordon
Harris • Smart Mix, Music Walk With Me, What Was That Tune? by Michael
Herger • PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple • Song Info, Song Lyrics by
Erland Isaksson • AirPlay Bridge by philippe_44 • WeatherTime by Martin
Rehfeld • Auto Dim Display, SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins.

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[KeBul]

drmatt wrote: 
> I also found the squeezebox build on Joggler wasn't so stable for long
> term playback. My touch will stream iPlayer live radio for days and days
> without hiccup, but the touch would regularly fail and require a power
> cycle (same if it was streaming local media tbh). I suspected the audio
> driver. Maybe that's just mine, don't know. Gave up with it. Raspberry
> Pi is the future for all things, imho. LMS need not die.
> 
> 
> -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk-

Assume drmatt actually means "but the Joggler would regularly fail" and
I would agree with this from my experiences, I found the Joggler touch
screen to often be difficult and on one running SqueezeOS at my sister's
had far more failures and hassle with it than I would have liked, many
reboots required and lost network connections. Finally it crashed and
failed to reboot into SqueezeOS, no doubt a re-flash required.

During the same period (and for many years previously), not one issue
with my SB Touch, so I bit the bullet and upgraded her Joggler to a
Touch and we've not looked back, plus the Touch is fully functional with
our Harmony remotes using a "Squeeze me baby" activity which turns on
the Touch, TV soundbar and sets the correct input on the soundbar.

For me Jogglers just weren't quite good enough to remain in mainstream
use but are good for playtime and one did a sterling job for a couple of
years, booting into Android so I could run a Dementia Day Clock App for
my mother.

Kev



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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[drmatt]

I also found the squeezebox build on Joggler wasn't so stable for long
term playback. My touch will stream iPlayer live radio for days and days
without hiccup, but the touch would regularly fail and require a power
cycle (same if it was streaming local media tbh). Maybe that's just
mine, don't know. Gave up with it. Raspberry Pi is the future for all
things, imho. LMS need not die.


-Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk-



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Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with
Debian+LMS 7.9.0
Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k
albums..

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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Paul Webster]

Regarding the Joggler ...
I have USB DAC in one - and it connects to the lounge AV system.
However, have been experimenting with using Philippe's plugins to go
direct to the TV or AV (both have IP connectivity) using UPnP-AV or
AirPlay ... or RPi running Kodi with LMS player add-on.
To be honest - it is used more by me to try out all of the different
routes to the same speakers than it is to really listen to stuff.

For a small room we use the Joggle built-in speakers.



Paul Webster
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Re: [slim] What are your long-term SqueezeBox solutions?

[Man in a van]

drmatt wrote: 
> Even they are hard to get hold of these days. And frankly the analogue
> sound output quality is pretty awful. They work great as a
> display/controller though.
> 
> 
> -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk-

Some here

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/O2-Joggler/162935484820?hash=item25efb63194:g:k60AAOSwQ19aoQWw

It's a fair comment about the analogue sound, but a little gentle
hacking and with LMS installed and the EDO plugin they can output to a
USB dac, just lioke a SBTouch, loike ower kid.:)

And the still download Mr Webster's Radio France Plugin, unlike another
OS I could mention.

ronnie



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