Thought this might be of interest
kathryn
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Subject: Perennial Vegetable Seed Company Catalog now online
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Hi,
Kathryn... thanks for the post about your Swiss friend. Sounds like he has a
good thing going(BG)
He only lives in it a couple of weeks a year (its a holiday home) and the
rest of the
time he jets around the world charging incredibly vast amounts of money to
design ecologically correct
A Shetland is about half the size of our present sheep and fits
small holdings much better than large sheep. This is probably
the trend for the future and is a good thing to explore. I suspect
many houses with a small lawn and garden could develop
a somewhat sustainable cycle with Shetlands.
The shetlands must have thought they were in heaven when they found you had
kindly planted their native food. The other breeds I know well (Romney,
Galway, Herdwick, Scotch Blackface) are all good bonders too. In fact one
of the things I like about sheep is the way mothers and daughters also
My original intent was to cut the alders down for homegrown firewood and
kindling when they got big enough to shade the fruit trees. I then found
out that you cannot cut down a tree in your own yard without permission
from the city. Makes me want to scream! All the clear-cutting that goes
on
I ask for simple opinions on the following from all who wish to
debate. Why a difference PC Vs DE?
*PC=Permaculture
DE=Deep Ecology If DE is looking for oneness with all, why is it not
merging with
kathryn marsh wrote:
[Kent Jared]:
I ask for simple opinions on the following from all who wish to
debate. Why a difference PC Vs DE?
*PC=Permaculture
DE=Deep Ecology If DE is looking for oneness with all, why
In this area most of the landscape was originally forest and the
grass we have today were mostly introduced. You can walk through
forested areas and tell the history somewhat by looking at the
grass and knowing when each grass was introduced to the area.
Forest areas that have not been logged
seconds until it puffs up. Place the chappati in a dish and brush with a
little melted ghee. Cover and keep warm while cooking the others.
If I remember right, after the first few times we skipped the puffing
step. I believe we also stopped buttering the finished chappati.
I wouldn't stop the
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This from Mulch-L
I thought it would appeal to ecopath people. Whilst mulch-L is a list
mostly for sunnier climes than the majority of us live in I thought there
was food for thought
kathryn
Aloha,
A Mulch-L reader suggested we share this edition of The Overstory with you.
We hope you enjoy
Personally, having kept goats and being extremely fond of them I would
never include them in a permaculture system. I have never found a way of
controlling all the goats all the time and their favourite food is fruit
trees of every kind and condition. So we no longer have goats. I think a
few
Sad post
Though I'm not sure about the analysis of small scale food growing. Saw
recently a figure that suggested that in the UK over 20% of vegetable
production is done in back gardens and that that percentage may actually be
rising. What I'm seeing here in Ireland is that people buy a newly
Jeff wrote
On the other hand, i
think running a grazing animal through orchards is a great
disease and pest control.
Geese work very well for this - don't keep them myself because husband had
bad experiences with them as a small child but friends have had good
experiences. Chicken tractors
The following URL was posted to the alt.permaculture
newsgroup about seed saving and seed sources. It is
outstanding.
http://homepage.eircom.net/erlyn/seedsaving.html
I've written to Ute Bohnsack, who set the page up, to try and find out what
has gone wrong - it was fine a couple of days ago
If anyone still can't get through to the site maybe it would be well to
contact Ute Bohnsack [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let her know what the problem is.
But the missing ~m fixed it for me
kathryn
kathryn marsh wrote:
Just got back from a visit to my oldest son and his girlfriend in their new
little city house. Takes the two of them to pay for it so they have a cat
instead of kids. So sad to see a cat used as a child substitute. It appears
to be really confused about what it is (but I
This is a question that continually bothers me. Yesterday I spent all day
at a meeting to deal with issues in the regulation of local organic farming
- drove 150 miles to do it, ate junk food plastic wrapped and microwaved
etc. Friday I did the same thing on GMO issues. The rest of the week
Brian wrote:
Do the members of this discussion group believe the hypothesis that we are
a "plague species" and that our population will crash in the next century
no matter what we as individuals or activist groups do?
I do not believe we are a "plagued species". Modern Civilization is most
Those on the list not on sanet might find it interesting to go over to
their archives and have a look through the posts running on the above topic
- a discussion of natural v organic and what the terms mean to individuals,
Running for the last couple of days
kathryn
I just read a plea to save the earth through education of
fungi. Sound ridiculous?
According to Paul Stamets having a compost pile without
considering edible fungi is a waste. Next, on his list of
complaints is our abysmal awareness of fungi. Of the
estimated 6 million fungi species we have
jeff
where is alt.simpleliving?
kathryn
Gene GeRue wrote:
I have a friend who is taking the next step, improvement forestry. He
low-grades, that is, he only cuts trees that are imperfect, leaving the
finest specimens to spread their seeds.
My concern would be a decrease in genetic diversity over time. It's
possible that strains
Nice to hear that someone is getting on with something Jeff. Our winter
routine tasks are all sitting neglected as we recover from flu and its side
effects which were pretty devastating - and the next person who tells me
they didn't get flu because of their healthy lifestyle/intake of Vit C etc
I would like to allow a
half an acre or more to go semi-wild, using Fukuoka's and Mollison's ideas
for a "food forest".
Eric Storm
Sounds lovely Eric but one little point. The original forest garden idea,
credited to him by both Fukuoka and Mollison, was Robert Harte's
kathryn
I am aware of that and have read one or two of Harte's books, but there's
something in Mollison's and especially Fukuoka's spin on it that I prefer.
And, just to be picky about it, I believe that Fukuoka was not aware of
either of the other two, where as Mollison was definitely aware of Harte's
Anyone tried rolled barley for breakfast mixed with juice and
fruit or nuts?
jeff
Yes - we often have it in summer. Apple juice for preference. Honey is
good. Pearled barley cooks for me in 20 - 30 minutes - as you say its less
nutritious than whole. Its a very different taste and texture,
Sandra wrote
Barley has been a part of my diet since childhood. Lemon Barley
as a drink was a household remedy for respiratory ailments. There
was a commercial Lemon Barley drink available in England when I
was a child.
Still is Sandra and last time I looked it was about the only thing
Thanks, Paul. I enjoyed it.
It parallels much of my own thinking on the subject. In fact I could see
myself writing the very same thing. (see my 6/18/99 post to the list) I'd
be curious (on or off the list depending on other's interest level) to hear
what you know of Natural Farming. I have
Robert Hart's forest garden is one I should have mentioned. It is close
to my ideas too. His gardens are too well planned and too well structured
for my tastes and I think a bit more randomness will reduce the work required.
It will, I freely admit, likely reduce the yield per area as well.
I've heard others make simliar remarks about Fukuoka's free help, but
I was under the impression that most of the help was with the grains and
mostly after he had been doing it on his own for some time. It's hard to
get a following dedicated enough to volunteer until you have something
to show
Jeff
Cruelty to Shetlands to tease him with the Romney. And I bet the cross
would give a really nice fleece too
kathryn
Whose son has a habit of not mentioning it when he finds one of his bantams
nesting. Anyone know a way of dealing with a substantial surplus of
cockerels when the children
Jeff
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned hotbeds for greenhouse heating. Those
old pit houses were nearly alway dependent on manure as their main heat
source (where they didn't have steam pipes and a wage slave on the end of a
shovel). They really work for me. Heat the house nicely in spring and
Kathryn wrote:
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned hotbeds for greenhouse heating.
Yeah, it makes one wonder what else i forgot to mention grin.
I agree the use of hotbeds is a good idea and another area that
should have been mentioned is cooling a greenhouse. If one does
not design for cooling
Eric wrote
Jeff wrote:
Definition of sustainable living. - satisfying life
- appealing life
- environmentally responsible
I think that if the focus is on "sustainable" (environmentally
responsible),
I've long had a theory that one should eat the food that enjoys one's
local climate to get maximum health benefits. Here in Ireland that
would I suppose be the old diet of oatmeal, in one form or another,
and milk and cabbage. So why am I working so hard at planting the
tomatoes and corn and
As I remember, maypops is the common name for a particular type of
Passionfruit (_Passiflora_ sp.)
Yes, it is Passiflora incarnata. Another name is hardy Passionfruit.
The nurseries carry it here in the summer. I've
not grown them yet because most prefer a warmer climate. Various
catalogs
Jeremy and I are active members of the fledgling Green Party of South
Africa. Together we constitute the environmental desk of the Party and as
Lisa - I've read good things about water management developments in
SA under Kader Asmal's ministry. Are things really going well or is
it
Sustainable lifestyles and wealth are connected to contentment.
Money is not wealth and by itself will not produce contentment.
-- jeff
It sure does help to have a little of it though
kathryn
and claw and its all my berries
kathryn.
Just plant way more than you'll need and share them with the birds...
;-)
Greg
kathryn marsh wrote:
Yes, strawberries are difficult to drown in. My complaints
are somewhat tongue-in-cheek. After a winter of anticipating
the first strawberry
Hello Jeff,
like you I have read a lot:) I have Bill Mollison's PC Design manual, and
also many of E. Coleman's books. John Jeavons too. And am impressed with some
of barbara damrosch's books...she's now MRS . E. Coleman...quite a team:)
But in the field of eco gardening...my mind is numb
What follows is not strictly the business of this list but this is a
one off plea for help. Organic Farming in Ireland needs your letters,
emails and faxes to the Department of Agriculture and Rural
Development and to the individual ministers and TDs (MPs) listed on
the Irish Government web
That was fun Jeff - provided some light relief from struggles with bureaucrats.
Didn't come remotely close to my personal classification of me -
which I guess just goes to show we are oddballs on this list if you
try to apply conventional classifications
Kathryn
Discussions on the Sustainable
Any old timers remember the original
net full of academics and technology hacks?
jeff
Like when one knew everyone on the net? and the really helpful
answers came back ten times as fast as they do now? ...if the
accoustic coupler was working
kathryn
In the first week of October, 1995, I was in Maine among people who live a
bit simpler while still participating in the local community. I wanted to
join. While saving for land, I have looked at other areas nearer me (in
Ohio) and other states, but Maine still has a great combination of
I did it again and sent this to Gene. Why isn't the "Reply to:" line set
to the group? Most list programs do that.==p
Reply to line is set to the group when I get mail on this list Paul -
just checked in case there was something different in mail from Gene
but the reply button sends to the
The historian Christopher Hill's The World Turned Upside Down, presents an
excellent account of the Diggers, Levellers and other groups that arose
during the English Revolution / Civil War of the 1640s. These in their
reclaiming of common land and so on, present an an interesting antecedent to
These studies seem to be saying our previous focus on
fats, carbohydrates, fiber, etc. is somewhat misguided
and instead we should look at what is unique about
natural (unprocessed) food. They also hint that
supplements, special diets, and miracle foods are not
the source of good health.
jeff
Lisa:
Here's something that everyone should try. I'm embarrassed to admit
that my ecological footprint requires 4.4 earths
http://www.mec.ca/coop/communit/meccomm/ecofoot.htm
Thanks, that was fun. My rating was a awful 7.29 earths.
I may have had trouble with converting to Kg and the
I was certainly taught that science was a way of looking at the
world, and that the were no limits to which bit of the world you
could use it to look at. Whilst I certainly see it as a way of
satisfying curiosity I find it handy to use to take apart my moral
judgements from time to time and
A spate of recent family deaths and other problems mean that I'll be
going into lurk mode for an indefinite time while we put ourselves
back together.
If anyone wants to pick what little is functioning of my brains feel
free to do so off list
kathryn
Do not, repeat NOT, plant into the top of a hot bed unless you are
sure that it isn't going to get too hot.
I always allow it to heat and then turn at least once before capping
and planting - that way you don't sterilise your seeds or burn roots
off
Despite more than 30 years in my own
Jeff:
The presentation on hot beds was one i found interesting also. Basically,
it involves growing on top of a compost pile. . . . The bed produces
enough heat to keep plants near the surface growing well and is ideal for
unheated greenhouses.
An old idea but one that is definitely worth
Orach has been called South American spinach and some people
compare it to arugula. I'll compare them in a few days when
the arugula gets bigger. Orach is interesting because it grows
about 4 feet tall and looks like a small shrub.
Its pretty too
Yes, for building the increased use of straw
I think I saw a brief note about this in the Jade Mountain catalog. They
were exploring the idea of adding a small solar powered fan to see if that
improved things, but I love the simplicity of the original design. My
question is: should both pots be unglazed or can the inside pot have a
For starters
we may want to define fairness.
jeff
Law is always going to be a compromise and it is true that those with
the loudest voices will finish up designing the law. But its been my
experience that when the law has produced something really unfair it
has been not because of a fault
Don't know whether its available in the US - the site wouldn't wake
up and talk to me this morning - but I drive a Renault Kangoo and get
round about 10 to the litre. Beauty of the Kangoo is that its a
standard car that will also take a huge load while still operating as
a car - no problem
You can't preserve nature by putting it
in a zoo or making rules. The real problem is our domination
of the earth and continued development. Every perchase we
make has an impact. Our air and water pollution reaches
everywhere and growth constantly eats away at natural habitat.
with that
On Wednesday 13 March 2002 12:06 am, kathryn marsh wrote:
Don't know whether its available in the US - the site wouldn't wake
up and talk to me this morning - but I drive a Renault Kangoo and get
round about 10 to the litre.
The Renault sounds interesting. Unfortunately they seem to have
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