I'll buy into this when all people who speak a common language get along
with each other...
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From: Muriel Bittencourt de Liz mur...@grucad.ufsc.br
To: EMC-PSTC List emc-p...@ieee.org
Cc: Lou Gnecco l...@tempest-inc.com
Subject: Re: modest proposal
Date: Mon, Mar 27, 2000, 9:24 AM
Scott:
According to Ergane 4.2;
freedom = libereco
justice = justeco
property = bieno / eco / kvality (three different words meaning property)
private = nepublika / privata / senofica (three different words in
Esperanto,
only one word in English)
protest = protesti / protesto
tyranny =
Hi Group,
Here are some of my questions and thoughts about EN61000-4-6. Any corrections
and comments are greatly appreciated. In discussion of Wisdom behind all these
standards, Richard Nute summarized three points raised by Martin Rowe. One of
them is reasonableness or appropriateness of the
Hi there,
A little bit behind the subject, i take the opportunity to express my
opinion in general on english and at the end a NEW proposal (maybe).
I'm from belgium and as you certainly know we don't have our own
language here. In my country we have FRENCH, FLEMISH and GERMAN.
I speak/write
All,
I commented on this before, in essence saying that a new standards committee
must be able to create a the standard they are charged-with and believe they are
free to create requirements appropriate for the product familiy and that can
differ as needed from other standards. Otherwise, why
Can anyone suggest text or standard references to Dobble testing of high
voltage transmission/switchgear, or just references explaining the
correlation of Dobble test results to system reliability/safety?
Rob Legg
Tectrol Inc.
rl...@tectrol.com
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This
Some food for thought . . .
It can depends what you mean by 'system'. Here's two examples:
1) A system can be a single product (like a PC) that can contain
'components' that are CE compliant (power supply, modem card, motherboard).
2) Or a system can consist of several products - a
Muriel,
As you are one who has studied Esperanto, I wonder if you would be kind
enough to list the Esperanto equivalents of the following words in English:
Freedom Liberty rightsprotesttyranny
justice property privacy
This is not simply curiosity,
Does CE + CE = CE?
My simple interpretation of this is that the boundary for modularity ends at
the enclosure that the customer sees.
A short and sweet example based upon one of our designs is: We make a unit
incorporating a CE marked open frame power supply. We use a CE marked
processor
I found the answer to my own question. Per the Commission,
Establishment of a rapid exchange of information system (RAPEX) for rapid
exchange of information on products posing a serious and immediate risk,
when a Member State adopts or decides to adopt measures to prevent, restrict
or impose
We are interested in availability of SPICE models for
FCC Part 68 surge generators (plus other surges for
different standards.)
Anyone who knows of existing models or web sites
regarding this subject, please send information.
Thanks,
Alan deSchweinitz
Digitan Systems Inc
Hi Martin and Richard,
The world consists of ordinary people and lawmakers. As ordinary people we must
comply with laws, and respect the wisdom behind laws. On the other hand,
ordinary people also have some ways to express their views on the current laws
in modern democratic society. All
Tanja,
A bit off the subject, but relevant to questions you've raised. To my
knowledge, there were 60,000 esperantists in the world before the WW2.
20,000 Russian esperantists disappeared in the Soviet Gulag. Those
idealistic linguists were trying to create a new way of international
Can someone explain the RAPEX procedure as it may relate to the General
Product Safety Directive? It appears to be some type of enforcement
procedure.
Richard Woods
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Kevin, we are presently submitting a short range transmitter. We have given
them a test report from a recognized European radio test lab and a safety
test report from TUV. They seem to be happy so far.
Richard Woods
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Group,
I think this discussion of language is very important. Why? I'll speak
for myself...
During the last centuries/years, most of the third-world or
developing countries (as you prefer) has adopted the idea of buying
technologies instead of developing its own. Together with that, has
come
Hi Brian,
Here is my $0.02.
(1) As far as EN61326-1 is concerned, Class A is not required to pass
EN61000-3-2 and EN61000-3-3. Because EN61326 committee treated these two
standards as basic standards.
(2) However, they are not basic standards. They are product standards. If your
product falls
Here is my understanding of the approach to systems compliance for CE marking.
If all parts of the system are CE marked you are not (legally) required to
re-test the system for compliance to the EMC Directive, provided you give clear
instructions for assembly/installation/operation/maintenance
Such as Appendix A in UL2601 - General Guidance and Rational
I've been in this section more than once and find it very useful.
Also for medical - The European Commission puts out Working Documents
titled MEDDEV's. These are used to explain and define either a directive, or
define terminology
I also agree that the headphones are a patient connection.
Hi,
Its been a while since I looked at UL 544, but a few comments.
1. Headphones are an applied part (UL2601-1) or patient connection
(UL544). They come into direct contact with the patient. You can argue
that they are an
Mike,
Again - perfect clarification. Thanks a million.
Dan
Sincerely,
Daniel C. Kinney
Lead Qualification Engineer
Horner APG, LLC
Advanced Products Group
640 N. Sherman Drive
Indianapolis, IN 46201
Phone: (317) 916-4274 ext. 462
FAX:(317) 916-4287
Email: dan.kin...@heapg.com
Website:
Mike,
Wow - that helps a lot. Thanks for the information.
Dan
Sincerely,
Daniel C. Kinney
Lead Qualification Engineer
Horner APG, LLC
Advanced Products Group
640 N. Sherman Drive
Indianapolis, IN 46201
Phone: (317) 916-4274 ext. 462
FAX:(317) 916-4287
Email: dan.kin...@heapg.com
THis whole issue is especially frustrated when an NRTL, Notified Body, CB,
or other relevant Authority can't even understand the purpose, intent, or
Pass-fail criteria for a (thier own) particular requirement!
At least one NRTL still has trouble with different offices giving different
Good Day - First, why are you using UL544? Why not use UL2601, based on
IEC601-1 with US deviations? Beware, UL544 UL187 may be used until Jan 1
2003, after that use of UL2601 will be mandatory. Also, As of Jan 1 2005,
all Listed, Classified and Recognized medical and dental products, where
Hello Group,
Does anyone know if there is a MoU between the Czech Republic and EU
countries for the acceptance of each others type approval test reports for
low power transmitters (CEPT/ERC 70-03 type) .
Best Regards,
Kevin Harris
Manager, Approval Services
Digital Security Controls
3301
Hi,
Its been a while since I looked at UL 544, but a few comments.
1. Headphones are an applied part (UL2601-1) or patient connection
(UL544). They come into direct contact with the patient. You can argue
that they are an ordinary patient connection (Clause 2.18 of UL544). But,
it is
Canio
In the EMC+LVD +Machinery Yearbook 1999 was an excellent article on this very
subject by Neil Harvey who at that time was with BSI.
The summary said It is never possible to be sure that a system will be
compliant, when using the CE+CE=CE approach. As a result, the decision
regarding
Cortland
Following up on your comments from Churchill below, I think that we should all
consider the concept of less is more when discussing a topic. Short and to the
point email leaves a lot less to interpretation, regardless of the language
used.
Best Regards,Paul J Smith
Yes, I also belive that your equipment has no patient leads and that the
enclosure leakage was performed as part of the power supply. If in doubt
regarding the enclosure leakage, best is to ask the power supply
manufacturer for a complete report.
Why are you using UL544 power supply? This
After reading John's reply to The wisdom behind all these standards, I
then read a colleague's question regarding UL 544 and leakage current. He
mentioned a 50uA leakage current limit for cardiac tissue. I want to use
this as an example of the wisdom behind all these standards.
At some point
I had to throw this in here wink.
This came from a friend of mine...the source I do not know.
Remember, this is a joke :)
Let's just make sure we don't all start speaking New-Speak a la 1984.
The European Union commissioners have announced that agreement has been reached
to adopt English
All,
speaking of surge generators, I'd like to make one to generate a short
transient and a ring wave.
The main parameters of the first wave are:
Vpk - 600 volts
Ipk - 300 amps
Rise-time - under 1 microsecond
50% decay in about 6 microseconds
General shape - double exponential
The main
Hi Alan and Jim
I am using ICAPS4 from INTUSOFT. Surge generators are part of the std.
library.
Best regards
George
* Dr. Georg M. Dancau * HAUNI MASCHINENBAU AG *
* g.m.dan...@ieee.org * Manager Technology
Tania,
I wholeheartedly concur with your comments. The single biggest thing I fight
as a compliance engineer is the lack of clear and sufficient communications.
Poor writing techniques, to include grammar and choice of words, are the
toughest of problems. I see this every day in every aspect of
forwarded for Cristian... Jim
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Author: Cristian Goiceanu goice...@mail.dntis.ro
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Date: 3/24/00 2:12 PM
Help me to obtain some detailed information about TEM cells? I
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Subject:Spice Models for Surge Generators
Author: Alan de Schweinitz alan_...@digitan.com
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date: 3/24/00 12:25 PM
We are interested in availability of SPICE models
Hi All!
The designer/manufacturer of a (prototype) system has recently exposed to me
the following argument. If the system is built out of subsystems that are
CE-marked, the complete system may be considered compliant with the EMC
Directive 89/336/EEC. The designer stated that this is possible
Hi all,
that's the world we live in. Like it or not, English is the de-facto
international language, especially in the technical/scientific community.
I personally enjoy participating in this forum mostly for its invaluable
technical contents but I also find it a very useful tool for improving
Hi All!
I really appreciate Lou's intention to make this forum more understandable
to technicians whose mother tongue is not English. I belong to such a group
(being an Italian).
Indeed at times I have some problems in understanding some sentences and
this is when the language becomes too
More on BASIC English, etc:
_The Oxford Companion to the English Language_ (ISBN 0-19-214123-X) has
entries about BASIC English, Airspeak (ICAO English), Seaspeak and
restricted vocabulary English. Things in modern usage we old f*rts might
object to are hardly addressed by these abbreviated
To all who replied:
Thanks for the quick and hearty responses!
I certainly agree that the world does not need another artificial
language like esperanto.
Some people are better at languages than others, though, and i have
seen some very good engineers having to really
Well said.
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From: Grant, Tania (Tania) tgr...@lucent.com
To: emc-p...@ieee.org, 'Lou Gnecco' l...@tempest-inc.com
Subject: RE: A modest proposal.
Date: Sun, Mar 26, 2000, 4:32 PM
Lou,
Esperanto (the language) had international backing. Where is it now? Who
is using it? The
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