Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Lester Caine
John Kasunich wrote: Never assume :) Stopping at the end of the current line or arc is better than the current behaviour. If swarf starts wrapping around the tool 1 inch into a 10 inch long slot, waiting until the end of the move is not going to work. So what do YOU do in that situation

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:24:34 -0500, you wrote: Define commercially ? Fanuc, Siemens even Mach3. Steve Blackmore -- -- ___ Emc-users mailing list

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:02:44 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: I've been running emc2 all day today and every job has required a manual tool change. What I do is simply divide up my program and end each section with M00 so it doesn't continue past that point, then I just hit escape, jog, change tools,

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
John Kasunich pravi: I already wrote half a book last night, and I'm not going to do it again today. Suffice it to say that Run from Line is another one of those things that is incredibly hard to do in a correctly in all cases. If a program uses nothing but G0, G1, G2, G3, then it is

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Leslie Newell
I've been running emc2 all day today and every job has required a manual tool change. What I do is simply divide up my program and end each section with M00 so it doesn't continue past that point, then I just hit escape, jog, change tools, touch off, and then use run from here on the first

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Leslie Newell
Les' manual toolchange fix allows that without the risk of the unknowns involved with the run from here command. Steve Blackmore Er, actually it does use run from here. For example if you were to use all incremental code from the tool change onwards it would foul up in a big way. You

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Andy Pugh
On 18 May 2010 01:01, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm wrote: I'll bet anyone a pint of their favorite beer that for any suggested implementation of run-from-line, I can come up with g-code that breaks it. On the basis that I owe all the devs a fair number of beers already: Pause is hit:

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Dave
On 5/18/2010 3:26 AM, Steve Blackmore wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:02:44 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: I've been running emc2 all day today and every job has required a manual tool change. What I do is simply divide up my program and end each section with M00 so it doesn't continue past

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, On the basis that I owe all the devs a fair number of beers already: agreed Pause is hit: Save all modal parameters (spindle speeds, coolants, all variables-I don't think we can allow changes to any variables) Save the motion queue and the fraction of the current move

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread John Kasunich
On Tue, 18 May 2010 10:43 +0100, Andy Pugh a...@andypugh.fsnet.co.uk wrote: On 18 May 2010 01:01, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm wrote: I'll bet anyone a pint of their favorite beer that for any suggested implementation of run-from-line, I can come up with g-code that breaks it.

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Andy Pugh
On 18 May 2010 16:41, John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm wrote: Are you saving this position in absolute machine coordinates, or in g-code coordinates (corresponding to the number on the DRO, which includes the effects of G54, etc.)? G-code (relative) coordinates. I'm pretty sure it would

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Daniel Goller
I merely meant to point out that commercially you can't feed hold in canned cycles would be too generalized, since it works for *some* I wouldn't want an option to start/pause/anything mid cycle on a G76 ;) On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Andy Pugh a...@andypugh.fsnet.co.uk wrote: On 18 May

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Tue, 18 May 2010 05:12:48 -0500, you wrote: Just checking, since Fanuc does allow feed hold in canned cycles as well, it's actually where jogging during feedhold is used far more than at any other program part in our shop. During a G71, it's majorly useful to interrupt the move, jog away,

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Mon, 17 May 2010 19:45:42 -0400, you wrote: A clear Mission Statement may help with any confusion in the future? You still seem to think that EMC2 is a business, complete with a top-down heirarchy, where bosses write Mission Statements and tell the peons what to do. John - Read your own

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-18 Thread Jon Elson
Stuart Stevenson wrote: On a Mazak I ran years ago there was a button I think was TPS (Tool Point Save). This allowed you to stop in a cut, push the button, move the machine, push the button, move the machine, push the button. The Allen-Bradley 7320 (1978-vintage control based on 16-bit

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread John Kasunich
On Mon, 17 May 2010 02:40 +0100, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: look at the wiki page, nobody is asking that it works during macros, canned cycles, loops or any other excuse that can be made to not implement it. How about this excuse: (Note: to understand this, you will have to

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sun, 16 May 2010 21:08:40 -0500, you wrote: As soon as a use presses ok, I don't want it go linear line to the stopped point, but I want to put a option to align in order. For example first X and Y, then Z. This way I will have less chance to crash the tool in the part. I think this will

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Edward Bernard
to this wonderful software myself. From: John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Mon, May 17, 2010 1:50:44 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange On Mon, 17 May 2010 02:40 +0100

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
I like that description John. I'm myself are aware of problems of realtime programming as I do that daily with microcontrollers but other user's doesn't know that problems. I know that editing/modifiing realtime software is pain. You make new function and other one stops work as should. It's

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Bernhard Kubicek
Sorry, I did not read the complete thread. Maybe there is an easier solution to this problems: How about if emc would store the gcode position after a stop/emergency shutdown,i.e. the last completely finished move. And if there would be a continue button, where emc will replay the complete gcode

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Slavko Kocjancic pravi: p.s. Just one thing. What software (or machine) doesn't alow jog under pause? Uff I forgot that one. EMC2 -- ___ Emc-users mailing list

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Andy Pugh
On 17 May 2010 09:12, Ian W. Wright watchma...@talktalk.net wrote: As my initial suggestions - I can't see why the program would have to return to exactly the same place in the script as it was when it was paused before the jog surely it could return to the start of the 'block' or line it

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Mark Wendt
On 05/17/2010 04:12 AM, Ian W. Wright wrote: Well said John. I, for one, am extremely grateful for all the work that the 'developers' have put into EMC over the years. While I have never used EMC in a commercial sense, I have followed its development almost from its inception and have always

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Andy Pugh
On 17 May 2010 10:01, Slavko Kocjancic esla...@gmail.com wrote: Is someone of developer come to Slovenia then just drop the mail and I wil fillup the fridge with beer. I have always promised myself I would go back to Slovenia (we blasted through without stopping on the way to Romania in 1999

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Andy Pugh pravi: On 17 May 2010 09:12, Ian W. Wright watchma...@talktalk.net wrote: As my initial suggestions - I can't see why the program would have to return to exactly the same place in the script as it was when it was paused before the jog surely it could return to the start of

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Lester Caine
Andy Pugh wrote: it seems that the reason that jog-on-tool-change is possible is that the motion controller stops there anyway (and expects to stop there). I guess this means that jog-on-tool-change is relatively easy, though perhaps it needs to refuse to restart unless it is at it's safe

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread craig
Thanks for both providing a framework to context requests and teaching me something about how EMC works. Save a copy. I'm sure it will be useful again in the future to context another request. Unless one has dealt with the details of complex systems is easy to assume that if it seems like it

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Kenneth Lerman
Jog on tool change (or on pause) should be straight forward. At the pause, simply remember each of the jogs. Then when resume is executed, play them back in reverse order. I believe that all of this can be done with HAL components. This would NOT solve the touch off problem. One could, of

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Kenneth Lerman
I've taken the liberty of memorializing John's post (without what he refers to as a rant that may be removed) at: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?WhyManualWhilePausedIsHard I've also added a link to it from the page: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?ManualWhilePaused

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Slavko, On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Slavko Kocjancic esla...@gmail.com wrote: Slavko Kocjancic pravi: p.s. Just one thing. What software (or machine) doesn't alow jog under pause? Uff I forgot that one. EMC2 Forgive me if I did not understand the tone of this post. I speak

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
I can't belive that we are talking so much how hard is to implement this. And nobody implementing this just beacouse is hard. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?EmcFeatures There are features that at least 90% of user's doesn't need. But will be added just beacouse they are simple to

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Stuart Stevenson pravi: Slavko, On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Slavko Kocjancic esla...@gmail.com wrote: Slavko Kocjancic pravi: p.s. Just one thing. What software (or machine) doesn't alow jog under pause? Uff I forgot that one. EMC2 Forgive me if I did not

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread craig
Re-starting from the beginning of the line of g-code that was PAUSED would work for most applications. Consider this as a possible and useful partial solution. This still might be messy with loops and other complications like coolant pump state but could prove easier to program. What would

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Ries van Twisk
Salvko, i think it would be a good idea to seperate item 15 into two items: 15) JOG under PAUSE - Alow users to jog machine when program is paused. 16) JOG under ToolChange - Alow users to jog machine when program M6 executed. The TouchOff? should be enabled too and maybe even MDI Although

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Stallings
-ltd.com] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:39 AM To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange I've taken the liberty of memorializing John's post (without what he refers to as a rant that may be removed) at: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Daniel Goller
While i would be thrilled to stop mid cycle, change insert, move back and continue, (we do it all the time on long (roughing) passes on our Fanucs, we note the position, move away, index turret, change insert, index back to current tool, move back to point we stopped cutting at and back in auto,

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Steve Stallings wrote: One of the many problems with Jog under Pause is that a pause can interrupt a partial move. Neglecting specially-shaped cutters (keyway, T-slot), and also neglecting niceties like tangent arc entries to arc moves (probably impossible since EMC doesn't know what the

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Hello... Not bad idea to be separate item as jog under toolchange can be resolved quicker. I changed wiki and I think all command M0 M1 and M6 can behave similar. For example if someone mill plastic then can issue few M1 in program and has optional stop on M1 dissabled. If swarf come up then

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Slavko Kocjancic wrote: [snip] Beaware of one nasty thing with manualtoolchange.py! When window popup the keyboard control is on that window! If someone uses Estop in keyboard and something goes wrong during toolchange dialog then Estop button wont work! This is one reason why you never

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Stallings
Normally I am a top poster, but I will try to insert my replies below as Stephen did. -Original Message- From: Stephen Wille Padnos [mailto:spad...@sover.net] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:15 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Offsets are applied in the interpreter, and the already-offset motions are queued for the motion controller to execute. If you change the tool offset, the queue has to be discarded and re-filled with a new set of offset motions. Executing G-code can change the interpreter state, e.g.

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Ries van Twisk
- tags: Freelance TYPO3 Glassfish JasperReports JasperETL Flex Blaze-DS WebORB PostgreSQL DB-Architect email: r...@vantwisk.nlweb: http://www.rvantwisk.nl/ skype: callto://r.vantwisk

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Jon Elson
Kenneth Lerman wrote: Jog on tool change (or on pause) should be straight forward. At the pause, simply remember each of the jogs. Then when resume is executed, play them back in reverse order. Allen-Bradley controls apparently use this technique. I believe that all of this can be done

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Stephen Wille Padnos pravi: This is one reason why you never ever ever ever use a keyboard or mouse action as an emergency stop. Ever. It's not just hal_manualtoolchage either, the OS can pop up a window or change focus for any reason, at any time. The only stop button that can

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Leslie Newell
How about tagging each move? Each move has a unique number. If you stop to change tool halfway through the system knows exactly what move it is on and how far through that move it is. For instance you may be 50% through move 5227. When you restart, the interpreter dry runs the code using the

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Ries van Twisk pravi: The proper way to solve e-Stop is to have a external button connected to your machine, next to a emergency stop. I think every decent size machine (that can seriously hurt a human) should have external buttons for that I do have, but luckly never used them :)

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Leslie Newell
As run from selected line just do RUN FROM SELECTED LINE! and if machine is metric and in 1'st line you have G20 then part come out realy big. and if somwhere within program some variables are set after Run from selected line they have big chance to be wrong. I thought it re-ran the

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Leslie Newell
I agree. There is no need for an estop button in the GUI. In fact the start button is of dubious value. On any machine I build you have to physically press a button to enable the drives. Trying to do it in the GUI will do nothing. Les Slavko Kocjancic wrote: I'm aware of that. And I have

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Jon Elson pravi: Kenneth Lerman wrote: Jog on tool change (or on pause) should be straight forward. At the pause, simply remember each of the jogs. Then when resume is executed, play them back in reverse order. Allen-Bradley controls apparently use this technique. I

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Stallings
AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange Offsets are applied in the interpreter, and the already-offset motions are queued for the motion controller to execute. If you change the tool offset, the queue has to be discarded

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Viesturs Lācis
I think, that following solution might be easy to implement: 1) press pause 2) press button, which stores coordinates of current position 3) jog away, do what ever... 4) press button, which returns to saved coordinates. here is important, that first move is in XY plane, Z move is last 5) hit

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Leslie Newell pravi: As run from selected line just do RUN FROM SELECTED LINE! and if machine is metric and in 1'st line you have G20 then part come out realy big. and if somwhere within program some variables are set after Run from selected line they have big chance to be wrong.

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Viesturs Lācis pravi: I think, that following solution might be easy to implement: 1) press pause 2) press button, which stores coordinates of current position That G30.1 does 3) jog away, do what ever... 4) press button, which returns to saved coordinates. here is important, that first

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Leslie Newell pravi: I agree. There is no need for an estop button in the GUI. In fact the start button is of dubious value. On any machine I build you have to physically press a button to enable the drives. Trying to do it in the GUI will do nothing. Les I found that some chargepump

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Gene Heskett
On Monday 17 May 2010, Viesturs Lācis wrote: I think, that following solution might be easy to implement: 1) press pause Pressing pause should store all modal info in addition to current line being executed. 2) press button, which stores coordinates of current position One button, the pause

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Andy Pugh
On 17 May 2010 17:11, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: 4) press button, which returns to saved coordinates. here is important, that first move is in XY plane, Z move is last That might not work for a lathe, or a hot-wire cutter, or a fly-fishing rod maker or. One of the

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Mon, 17 May 2010 06:44:12 -0700, you wrote: Re-starting from the beginning of the line of g-code that was PAUSED would work for most applications. Consider this as a possible and useful partial solution. This still might be messy with loops and other complications like coolant pump state

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Dave
In that case shouldn't a pause - stop - jog/mdi/touchoff - manually jog close to previous position - run from here work? I ran a bunch of cam generated code last night on a simulator setup and could not make the run from here (right click on gcode line etc) screw up - although I guess it

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Mon, 17 May 2010 02:50:44 -0400, you wrote: The motion controller pulls lines and arcs out of the queue and makes the tool move along that path. A particular line or arc might sit in the queue for a couple tenths of a second, if you have a program that consists of many short moves. It also

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Mon, 17 May 2010 17:02:23 +0100, you wrote: As run from selected line just do RUN FROM SELECTED LINE! and if machine is metric and in 1'st line you have G20 then part come out realy big. and if somwhere within program some variables are set after Run from selected line they have big

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread John Kasunich
On Mon, 17 May 2010 23:14 +0100, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010 02:50:44 -0400, John Kasunich wrote: The motion controller pulls lines and arcs out of the queue and makes the tool move along that path. A particular line or arc might sit in the queue for a

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Wes Johnson
As run from selected line just do RUN FROM SELECTED LINE! and if machine is metric and in 1'st line you have G20 then part come out realy big. and if somwhere within program some variables are set after Run from selected line they have big chance to be wrong. I thought it

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Chris Reynolds
I've been running emc2 all day today and every job has required a manual tool change. What I do is simply divide up my program and end each section with M00 so it doesn't continue past that point, then I just hit escape, jog, change tools, touch off, and then use run from here on the first line

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Stuart Stevenson
there is always a spoil sport in every crowd - :) On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Chris Reynolds c_reynolds2...@yahoo.comwrote: I've been running emc2 all day today and every job has required a manual tool change. What I do is simply divide up my program and end each section with M00 so it

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-17 Thread Jon Elson
Steve Blackmore wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010 17:02:23 +0100, you wrote: I thought it re-ran the whole code. My mistake. I probably got confused by Mach which does re-run the whole code. So did I until I stuffed a tool into a job, it doesn't seem to apply offsets properly either :(

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-16 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Dave pravi: OK.. now I am confused. I haven't looked at Les' jog during tool change fix. Where is that fix documented? Is it in the Wiki? I have no idea why that is not in V2.4. Perhaps no one asked that it be included? Are you saying that you can do a jog during a tool change but you

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-16 Thread Leslie Newell
It has been a while since I last looked at it but if I remember correctly my 'fix' is just a hack to the tool change routine. on a tool change it takes a note of the current line then stops the interpreter. You can then jog etc. Afterwards it just does a 'run from here'. This only works on a

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-16 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sat, 15 May 2010 15:09:52 -0400, you wrote: From the discussion I have heard there are many concerns about putting this functionality into EMC2 plus it is viewed as being very difficult. Jog during feedhold is in every commercial control I've used, it's a glaring omission in EMC. What

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-16 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Leslie Newell pravi: It has been a while since I last looked at it but if I remember correctly my 'fix' is just a hack to the tool change routine. on a tool change it takes a note of the current line then stops the interpreter. You can then jog etc. Afterwards it just does a 'run from

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-16 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, In 1980 I remember starting in the middle of a program on a Fanuc 5T and GE 1050 mill controls. It was the operators responsibility to get the machine in position and the control prepared to start. On the these controls I could skip lines with a toggle switch or search button. The

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-16 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 10:17 -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Gentlemen, In 1980 I remember starting in the middle of a program on a Fanuc 5T and GE 1050 mill controls. It was the operators responsibility to get the ... snip You want something - GO FOR IT. You will find the people involved

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-16 Thread Dave
There is no doubt that the developers are an awesome bunch of individuals. I am constantly impressed by their helpfulness. EMC2 is a standout piece of software because of their dedicated efforts. Dave (Dave911) On 5/16/2010 11:49 AM, Kirk Wallace wrote: On Sun, 2010-05-16 at 10:17 -0500,

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-16 Thread Dave
Jog during feedhold is in every commercial control I've used, it's a glaring omission in EMC. I'm sure that EMC2 will pickup that feature eventually but there is a list of work that is being done and from what I have heard, doing this right is not an easy task. The developers are a very

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-16 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sun, 16 May 2010 10:17:46 -0500, you wrote: Gentlemen, In 1980 I remember starting in the middle of a program on a Fanuc 5T and GE 1050 mill controls. It was the operators responsibility to get the machine in position and the control prepared to start. On the these controls I could skip

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-16 Thread Ries van Twisk
hey guys, I have been looking at the other hal_manualtoolchange and this seems to work fine with absolute position mode, in relative mode it get's lost. However, what I want to do is as soon as the window pop-ups up I want to store the machine coordinates in a variable/file. The change I want

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-16 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN
Good place to start. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?EmcFeatures -- ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-15 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
I found nothing. Seem's that developers all have machines with ATC and EMC as is work's ok for them. All other user's (with coolets routers) need's to use some strange workarounds. In my case the toolcnahge.py script from this thread. Near all machines I see does have option to do tool seeting

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-15 Thread Ries van Twisk
On May 15, 2010, at 2:05 AM, Slavko Kocjancic wrote: I found nothing. Seem's that developers all have machines with ATC and EMC as is work's ok for them. All other user's (with coolets routers) need's to use some strange workarounds. In my case the toolcnahge.py script from this

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-15 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sat, 15 May 2010 07:31:08 -0500, you wrote: I think there is an interest in this because I think it's a good feature. However, as the work around is fairly simple the priority for creating this feature would be low. Work around simple? Please tell. I turn nylon pretty regularly. It has a

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-15 Thread Dave
From the discussion I have heard there are many concerns about putting this functionality into EMC2 plus it is viewed as being very difficult. However, I was working some some hal configuration the other day and there is a hal component that allows an offset to be put into a position command

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-15 Thread Dave
OK.. now I am confused. I haven't looked at Les' jog during tool change fix. Where is that fix documented? Is it in the Wiki? I have no idea why that is not in V2.4. Perhaps no one asked that it be included? Are you saying that you can do a jog during a tool change but you cannot do a

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-05-14 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:42:10 +0200, you wrote: Has any thought been given to this by the development group since March? - what is allowed during a pause? everything? only jogging? some MDI? all g-codes? running subprograms? My first thought was jog-only, but then I realised you need to be

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-19 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
I see that a commercial Z axis preset gauge is A$275 down here, so a DIY alternative is attractive. (And it's advertised with LED lamp, but no mention of an electrical output socket, so maybe no use, anyway.) I have one of those

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-19 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Gene Heskett pravi: On Wednesday 17 March 2010, Slavko Kocjancic wrote: 2010/3/17 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com On Wednesday 17 March 2010, Slavko Kocjancic wrote: Frank Tkalcevic pravi: I see that a commercial Z axis preset gauge is A$275 down here, so a

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-19 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 19 March 2010, Slavko Kocjancic wrote: Gene Heskett pravi: On Wednesday 17 March 2010, Slavko Kocjancic wrote: [...] And that sounds like a good idea too. But it needs a flat top, just in case you miss the exact xy spot. :-) That's not a problem. When I go to the woods to collect

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-19 Thread sam sokolik
I have had really good luck with a generic microswitch for tool length probing. When I tested it - the repeatability was .001 I only set the length for the first tool - it touches the microswitch for reference. The rest of the tools are referenced to that one. Happy with it.

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-18 Thread Steve Blackmore
I started a wiki page on this topic, hopefully everyone who has a saying about it will contribute to it [1] http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?ManualWhilePaused Done ;) Steve Blackmore -- -- Download

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-18 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Steve Blackmore pravi: I started a wiki page on this topic, hopefully everyone who has a saying about it will contribute to it [1] http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?ManualWhilePaused Done ;) Steve Blackmore -- Should be simple and not disturbing user's that don't need

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-18 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010 10:23:17 +0100, you wrote: Steve Blackmore pravi: I started a wiki page on this topic, hopefully everyone who has a saying about it will contribute to it [1] http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?ManualWhilePaused Done ;) Steve Blackmore -- Should be

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 17 March 2010, Slavko Kocjancic wrote: 2010/3/17 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com On Wednesday 17 March 2010, Slavko Kocjancic wrote: Frank Tkalcevic pravi: I see that a commercial Z axis preset gauge is A$275 down here, so a DIY alternative is attractive. (And it's

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-17 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
Somewhere somebody write that 90% users have ATC. But I'm on the other10% as my homemade/hobby machine need to deal with collets. It sounds like it's time to update the poll on the emc home page. Do you use an ATC?

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Gene Heskett pravi: On Tuesday 16 March 2010, Jon Elson wrote: Slavko Kocjancic wrote: Somewhere somebody write that 90% users have ATC. Maybe 90% of commercial CNC machining centers have ATC, I SERIOUSLY doubt 90% of EMC2 users have it. Even the monster EMC2-controlled

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-17 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
I see that a commercial Z axis preset gauge is A$275 down here, so a DIY alternative is attractive. (And it's advertised with LED lamp, but no mention of an electrical output socket, so maybe no use, anyway.) I have one of those (https://www.machineryhouse.com.au/Products?stockCode=M691) -

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
Frank Tkalcevic pravi: I see that a commercial Z axis preset gauge is A$275 down here, so a DIY alternative is attractive. (And it's advertised with LED lamp, but no mention of an electrical output socket, so maybe no use, anyway.) I have one of those

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-17 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 17 March 2010, Slavko Kocjancic wrote: Gene Heskett pravi: On Tuesday 16 March 2010, Jon Elson wrote: Slavko Kocjancic wrote: Somewhere somebody write that 90% users have ATC. Maybe 90% of commercial CNC machining centers have ATC, I SERIOUSLY doubt 90% of EMC2 users have it.

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-17 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 17 March 2010, Slavko Kocjancic wrote: Frank Tkalcevic pravi: I see that a commercial Z axis preset gauge is A$275 down here, so a DIY alternative is attractive. (And it's advertised with LED lamp, but no mention of an electrical output socket, so maybe no use, anyway.) I have

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-17 Thread Slavko Kocjancic
2010/3/17 Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com On Wednesday 17 March 2010, Slavko Kocjancic wrote: Frank Tkalcevic pravi: I see that a commercial Z axis preset gauge is A$275 down here, so a DIY alternative is attractive. (And it's advertised with LED lamp, but no mention of an electrical

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-17 Thread Hubert Bahr
#!/usr/bin/python import sys, os import gettext BASE = os.path.abspath(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(sys.argv[0]), ..)) gettext.install(axis, localedir=os.path.join(BASE, share, locale), unicode=True) import emc, hal import rs274.options iniFile = emc.ini(os.environ['INI_FILE_NAME']) emc.nmlfile

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-17 Thread Ian W. Wright
If you use 0.4mm drill and have little to high feedrate then this is recipy to broke that drill. I regularly use 0.2mm drills and sometimes even down to 0.1 - and that's carbide drills drilling tool steel usually... Have you looked at the price of 0.2mm carbide drills recently?? Fortunately,

Re: [Emc-users] Jog under PAUSE / tool cnange

2010-03-17 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 17 March 2010, Ian W. Wright wrote: If you use 0.4mm drill and have little to high feedrate then this is recipy to broke that drill. I regularly use 0.2mm drills and sometimes even down to 0.1 - and that's carbide drills drilling tool steel usually... Have you looked at the price

  1   2   >