Re: [E-devel] Images in default themes - licensing

[Toma]

I made a few of the images, but I think I speak for raster as well in
saying they all abide by the Enlightenment license / 3-clause BSD
license. Basically a do what ever the hell you want license, but as a
sign of respect, it would be nice to say where they are from and link
back to the project website.

If anyone disagrees, please chime in.

Toma.

2009/7/29 John Clark c...@brandnewcolony.net:
 I've been meddling around with edje/evas lately, creating my own smart
 objects etc. I'm hoping to throw together the odd application or two
 mostly for testing and i've been re-using the png's from either the e
 default theme or the elm default theme for convenience.

 Say I actually _finished_ an application though - I'm wondering if these
 images can still be used. What kind of license do they fall under? (And
 what are the personal wishes of the originators?)

 Cheers,

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Re: [E-devel] enlightenment.org in IE7

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2009/6/23 Viktor Kojouharov vkojouha...@gmail.com:
 On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 09:23 -0600, Dan Kronstal wrote:
 Hey folks. Not sure if anyone knows or cares, but in IE7 e.org has looked
 like this: http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8599/e17inie.jpg since the new
 design.

 Cheers

 Dan

 no one cares. e users will not be using IE anytime soon. and its just
 not worth the designer's time to fix these issues



I tried showing some buddies at work what E was and I was greeted by
the garbled page with IE7. Also, If I try to show any other mates that
have Windows what E is, again they very well could be using IE7. Like
it or not, its still the most used browser in the world.

-Toma.

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Re: [E-devel] Proposal: Enlightenment Weekly News

[Toma]

If we do have a fortnightly/weekly news article, it would be good of
whoever writes it (or some other PR delegate) to submit it to some of
the top social news sites like reddit, digg, slashdot (for bigger
release news) and so on. News articles like that are in a way, sort of
like press releases where you release that information to the news and
then to the public. This should generate some discussion on E and cast
off the LOL Duke Nukem Forever blah blah E17 LOL type of responses.
(BTW, Looks like we will be beating Duke Nukem Forever to release!
Woo!)

Im not trying to start a discussion on that, just saying advertising
our news would make for more effective news. The advertising can be
done by non-developer type people that just want to help out.

-Tom.

2009/5/21 Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info:
 Great Idea !

 But it doesn't need to be weekly because, it's a free project, there is no
 engagement to produce something, no company behind.

 Every 15days is still ok to me...

 Even if I can't really help on development, I could help for that :)


 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:05 PM, andres andresbl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Monday 18 May 2009 02:49:58 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  On Sun, 17 May 2009 16:54:18 +0200 Thomas Gstädtner 
 tho...@gstaedtner.net
  said:
 
  this is odd... no one has disagreed. very strange... (note - complete
  thumbs up from me!). i dont see it needs to be exactly weekly- but
  regularly maybe every few days (1-10 days or so) as long as there is
  regular news flow. i'm all for it. news is nicely stashed in svn for
  revision history too :)

 A commit digest like this http://commit-digest.org/issues/2009-02-22/would be
 nice. Its a combination of:
 1. A big paragrpah detailing what's new with links to relevant project
 pages
 2. A couple of blog posts from developers related to changes made in that
 week
 3. Software generated statics from the svn server
 4. A list of bug fixes generated from the bug tracker

 The only thing I would change from that is the big paragraph at the begging
 with something more lighter to the eyes (not looking like brick) and more
 humanely written.

 The E.org version would be more lighter than this since there are no blog
 posts to include or a huge amount of projects to keep track off -which
 causes
 the kde guy in charge of this to be behind schedule more often than not-

 I think 3 and 4 are pretty easy to do since software for them is most
 likely
 written already. 2 will take care of itself once developers start blogging
 and it can be ommited if they dont.

 The real issue is 1. I think everyone should pitch in to make it easy for
 the
 guy in charge by marking the important changes. A good idea would be adding
 a
 specific word to their commit comment like [newfeature] and
 [improvement]
 in order to easily search the SVN list archive for important changes.

 IF we automate much of the process and pitch in by tagging commits this
 will
 be pretty easy to pull off, specially if we take turns to put it
 togheter -the kde digest is done by one guy-. Once we get this going we can
 add a section for it inside the brochure news page.

 That is all.
 dresb

 
   Hi,
  
   in the Twitter-thread this week on the devel ML we had a discussion
   about how we could make a serious and regular news-section for
   E.org, not only external on twitter/facebook/etcpp.
   I already did some suggestions, but now I'd like to make it more
   concrete: As I see it, it would be best to have the news in a kind of
   digest form, not a lot of single items (that is what the existing
 twitter
   feed can be used for).
   Many projects do it based on a regular date - be it weekly, monthly or
   per quarter - I think this concept would be also great for E.
   As the twitter feed contains many small things of all kind, I think
   the news on E.org should be only more relevant stuff for the users
   (not developers!) that do not want to read the mailinglists,
   twitter-feeds, and similar on a regular basis. Of course this doesn't
   mean developers should be completely left out - big stuff like bigger
   API-changes could be also announced that way (but not every trivial
   thing, that's what the SVN commit list is for).
  
   E.org currently has a news section, but it is not well maintained, or
   let's say it is only used for big announcements (it only contains big
   releases like new EFL/E snapshots, EWL releases, the SVN move and so
   on). So I think this section should be renamed to Announcements,
   because this is what it is used for. Big Ass Announcements.
   Additionally there should be the News section for stuff that matters
   but isn't _that_ important. That's where I'd like to see what I said
   above.
  
   I think Weekly News would fit for E, because users have regular
   information about interesting things (and there are a lot of
   interesting things in a week or two) and it is not too much overkill
   like daily or per-item based news. If there should be 

Re: [E-devel] Edje part show and hide

[Toma]

You could use a define...

eg. see the ICONS section in E17s default theme. Just create the
define at the top of the file and call the show/hide program.

#define SHOW(blah) \
  program { name: blah1; \
 action: STATE_SET active 0.0; \
 target: blah; \
   } \
  program { name: blah2; \
 action: STATE_SET default 0.0; \
 target: blah; \
   }

then later on in the edc;

SHOW(button)
SHOW(something)
SHOW(boobies)

Again, poke about on the default theme. Heres something I messed
around with that has too many defines.
http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/Embryo/Examples/RandomColor2

Enjoy!
Toma.


2009/5/18 Mikael Liljeroth mikael.liljer...@gmail.com:
 Hi, I have a question regarding Edje. In very large user interfaces almost
 every part has an invisible state and one visible state. Each of these parts
 also has a corresponding program to show or hide the part. This makes the
 edc file very big and hard to read. Is there some way to generalize the
 procedure of hiding and showing parts in edc, or from c? Maybe dynamically
 without an edc program for every part?

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Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...

[Toma]

2009/5/13 Thomas Gstädtner tho...@gstaedtner.net:
 On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:30 PM, Massimiliano Calamelli
 mcalame...@gmail.com wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Hello, I'm doing a little test to see how a Twitter account could
 be integrated into our community.

 The account is here:
 http://www.twitter.com/edevel

 For it now contains tweets about significative changelogs or mails, but
 obviously can contains all of interesting things about E.

 Being a test, it isn't not ufficially publicized (just an entry in the
 Facebook's fan page), but imho looks good.
 The email registered for this account is mine, but this can be changed
 easily; same thing for password.

 What do you think about?

 Why waste time and ressources for such a useless service that doesn't
 have any advantage over anything else, instead of maintaining a
 official information source on e.org with 1) no 140 char limit 2) more
 professionalism 3) a more official character 4) a proper standard to
 get the news (RSS) 5) far better usability.
 I  really can't understand why every new hype has to be adopted while
 the official sources are hardly maintained at all.


1. A 140 character news feed hardly takes any management.
2. Most professionals and popular people have a twitter. (I dont though.)
3. Would you rather us (dev community) take control of it or some random person?
4. Indeed. RSS is great. Twitter is a much more social way or sharing
news though. No need to put all our eggs in 1 basket.

Its hard to call though, I dont know anyone with twitter in Perth AU.
We're all a little slow on the tech fads. But I know its really
popular elsewhere. As such, I think its a great way for people to get
updates on E and to show their support.

-Toma.

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Re: [E-devel] E17 in Twitter...

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2009/5/14 Graham Gower graham.go...@gmail.com:
 2009/5/14 Arlo White arlo.wh...@gmail.com:
 Yes there are
 mailing lists, but the lists have a lot of garbage you need to dig through
 to get at the interesting bits.

 Garbage like this entire thread? Isn't this a development mailing list?

 -Graham

Promotion is part of development.
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Re: [E-devel] [RFC] background panning when changing desks

[Toma]

 I've updated the patch with a few fixes and also with sending a message
 with all the info that can be used to reproduce the animation (see line
 249). The question is, how easy would be for a designer to use this info
 and create the parallax effect in edje? I don't know embryo that much,
 but I haven't seen a way to run a program and specify a transition for
 it as well.


I cant quite get this patch to work here. I get the options in the
Virtual Desktops dialog, but no cool panning. Also, it seems to break
the desktop wallpaper? Reverting now for more testing.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: quaker IN trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA

[Toma]

Indeed. If not dealing with fonts, forget about fd.

Toma.

On 4/25/09, Albin Tonnerre albin.tonne...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 04:05:01AM -0700, Enlightenment SVN wrote :
  EDJE_FLAGS = -v \
  -id $(top_srcdir) \
 --fd $(top_srcdir)/fonts
 +-fd $(top_srcdir)

 -fd is used to add a directory to look in for fonts. Unless I'm missing
 something, you no longer need it and should drop this line instead of just
 stripping fonts.

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Re: [E-devel] modules to disable by default in monday release

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2009/4/20 Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy morlen...@gmx.net:
 I hope you don't disable dropshadow... Even if it's lame... ;)

 On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 06:03:06PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
 On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com 
 wrote:
  On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 05:47:38 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
  barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
 
  Hello all,
 
  I think that some modules should be disabled, at least at runtime, by
  default. Things like change colors and fonts, drop shadows and few
  others. What do you think? If you know of broken modules, then we can
  easily disable them in configure.ac, just add false instead of
  true for module line.
 
  dropshadow is broken?

 no, but it is lame :-P


No way man! Dropshadow is neat.


  yes - fonts and colors i had already marked as disabled
  for e17 (fixed up for e18).
  n.b. - i'd disable in config profile, not build... ? new users will lose 
  them -
  old users keep what they have.

 ok, I'd rather disable their build, but just in profiles is fine.

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Re: [E-devel] modules to disable by default in monday release

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2009/4/20 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi:
 On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Toma tomha...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/4/20 Brian 'morlenxus' Miculcy morlen...@gmx.net:
 I hope you don't disable dropshadow... Even if it's lame... ;)

 On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 06:03:06PM -0300, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
 On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com 
 wrote:
  On Sun, 19 Apr 2009 05:47:38 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
  barbi...@profusion.mobi said:
 
  Hello all,
 
  I think that some modules should be disabled, at least at runtime, by
  default. Things like change colors and fonts, drop shadows and few
  others. What do you think? If you know of broken modules, then we can
  easily disable them in configure.ac, just add false instead of
  true for module line.
 
  dropshadow is broken?

 no, but it is lame :-P


 No way man! Dropshadow is neat.

 first time I saw it, before composite managers where born, I said
 cool, but nowadays it's very lame, even windows do proper shadows!
 :-/


Indeed, but its dropshadows without compositing. Its the trendy effect
without the graphics card usage.

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Re: [E-devel] [e-users] NOTICE: svn feature freeze this weekend (April 17-19)

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 3) our new default theme (BW) still has some minor issues. most
 annoying one is the way iBar and iBox look like when they're set in
 Plain appearance and options Autoscroll contents + Able to be
 resized are activated (yep, i do have up to 40-50 launchers and i do
 like to scroll'em all instead of asking about stupid group similar
 etc.).


Care to expand a little on this?
I just set my Ibar up to the way you have described but I cant see
anything wrong with it.
Also, the code for ibar/ibox has stayed exactly the same from blingbling.

-Toma.

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Re: [E-devel] [e-users] NOTICE: svn feature freeze this weekend (April 17-19)

[Toma]

And you want it to clip to its set size?

-Toma

2009/4/15 sda dmitry.serpok...@gmail.com:
 On 06:41 Wed 15 Apr     , Toma wrote:
  3) our new default theme (BW) still has some minor issues. most
  annoying one is the way iBar and iBox look like when they're set in
  Plain appearance and options Autoscroll contents + Able to be
  resized are activated (yep, i do have up to 40-50 launchers and i do
  like to scroll'em all instead of asking about stupid group similar
  etc.).
 

 Care to expand a little on this?
 I just set my Ibar up to the way you have described but I cant see
 anything wrong with it.
 Also, the code for ibar/ibox has stayed exactly the same from blingbling.

 -Toma.

 sometimes pictures can say more :)

 files are attached.

 regards,
 sda


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Re: [E-devel] [e-users] NOTICE: svn feature freeze this weekend (April 17-19)

[Toma]

This is a code issue, not a theme issue...

Toma.

2009/4/15 sda dmitry.serpok...@gmail.com:
 On 08:51 Wed 15 Apr     , Toma wrote:
 And you want it to clip to its set size?

 imho they/(each CONTENT) should fit into the container area despite
 on Appearance settings. and now we've got containers like iBar,
 iBox and systray.

 brds.

 P.S. liirk also broken (undefinite symbol: evas_stringshare_ref) and
 Drawer also is far from the perfect shape...


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Re: [E-devel] [e-users] NOTICE: svn feature freeze this weekend (April 17-19)

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2009/4/15 sda dmitry.serpok...@gmail.com:
 On 09:45 Wed 15 Apr     , Toma wrote:
 This is a code issue, not a theme issue...

 Toma.

 well, the question is:

 - why the old theme (link below) is fine?
 http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/THEMES/blingbling?rev=40070

 or where that magic make me happy button is i wonder...

 it looks like a 'hidden treasure' is buried near by :)


What?


...it looks like it might be a shelf issue rather than an ibox/ibar issue.
Investigating now.

-Toma.


 2009/4/15 sda dmitry.serpok...@gmail.com:
  On 08:51 Wed 15 Apr     , Toma wrote:
  And you want it to clip to its set size?
 
  imho they/(each CONTENT) should fit into the container area despite
  on Appearance settings. and now we've got containers like iBar,
  iBox and systray.
 
  brds.
 
  P.S. liirk also broken (undefinite symbol: evas_stringshare_ref) and
  Drawer also is far from the perfect shape...
 


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Re: [E-devel] Release schedule

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2009/4/8 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi:
 Hello all,

 As you might know we have to do the following list in order to
 release: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Release

 But until then we'll have a long time and it's bad to not have
 intermediate releases to help users try enlightenment and its
 libraries. So talking to lots of packagers and distros we know they
 want to include our code, but they need us to have something good
 enough to be packaged, so they will not be caught into
 eina-transition breakage or so. So we talked a bit at IRC and I wrote
 the following schedule that we'll try to accomplish:

    http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/ReleaseSchedule


Im not entirely sure that the 3 day package-test-package idea is good.
Might just be creating more work for whoever packages it and some
confusion for end users.

-Toma

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Re: [E-devel] Release schedule

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2009/4/9 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi:
 On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Toma tomha...@gmail.com wrote:
 2009/4/8 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi:
 Hello all,

 As you might know we have to do the following list in order to
 release: http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Release

 But until then we'll have a long time and it's bad to not have
 intermediate releases to help users try enlightenment and its
 libraries. So talking to lots of packagers and distros we know they
 want to include our code, but they need us to have something good
 enough to be packaged, so they will not be caught into
 eina-transition breakage or so. So we talked a bit at IRC and I wrote
 the following schedule that we'll try to accomplish:

    http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/ReleaseSchedule


 Im not entirely sure that the 3 day package-test-package idea is good.
 Might just be creating more work for whoever packages it and some
 confusion for end users.

 well, packagers can live with it, just make a script and schedule a cron tab.

 as for users, end users can test on the second release, maybe we just
 drop the announcement of the first and add it to a -testing directory.
 But we need to test the packages and not from SVN as we usually do, so
 we can spot missing libs, symbols, etc.


Sure. Well we'll just shift the announcement to the 2nd package
release. *thumbs up*

-Toma


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Re: [E-devel] [PATCH] Simple patch for default E theme

[Toma]

No need to make an alternate shelf, just need to make it respond to
orientation. Its detailed in the commented out section of your patch.
:)

-Toma


2009/3/27 Mike Rutter roo...@loopfree.net:

 Here is a patch to create a version of the alternate shelf
 theme that works when the shelf is vertical.  All it does
 is take the alternate version and removes the shine part.
 The shine part bands horribly when the shelf is vertical.
 Removing it creates a nice gradient with the over part
 creating separation for the darker portion of the shelf.

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Re: [E-devel] Being social...

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2009/3/18 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr:
 On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Massimiliano Calamelli
 mcalame...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, I'm here again with some ideas related to Spread the word task.

 Now the topic is: Social Networks.
 Joining social networks (mainly Twitter, LinkedIn and Facebook) could
 be a easy and effective way to spread E around the world.
 Each network has its own characteristics and purpose, so we can (must)
 differentiate our presence in each.

 Damn, geek are supposed to be social today ! What a strange world :-)

 ** Twitter **
 This can be assumed as a fast way to communicate what happens.
 Short sentences (160chars, like a SMS), like Tomorrow, 1st April E17
 will be released http://shorturl or SVN commit r4, efm2 fully
 working http://shorturl, just an very little introduction to a
 something that is explained in another place.

 ** LinkedIn **
 The purpose of LinkedIn is making a professional trusted networks
 between people around the world.
 The presence of an Enlightenment group could create new contacts (and
 contracts) between E's people and commiters.

 I already have some of you in my contact list, so we already use it.
 It's just a matter of creating an Enlightenment group and using all
 LinkedIn possibility. In my opinion, it make sense.

 ** Facebook **
 There's no need to explain what is;a presence of E official group or a
 fan page could have the only purpose to aggregate users. For now I
 found only one Enlightenment user page, not updated frequently.

 That would be a good reason to create an account if enought of us are
 interested.

 Another interesting social service is FriendFeed (www.friendfeed.com).
 Having an account here means aggregate a lot of other service you use,
 and keep your friend updated about your activity.

 What do you think about?

 We need to communicate more and attract more devs, so your proposal
 sounds really like a good step for this goal.

Agreed!

Me and Mano are on facebook ~6 hrs a day. Its sickening. :)
Ill look into making a product page.

-Toma.


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Re: [E-devel] Being social...

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Email me for admin rights. Its a little bare at the moment so feel
free to upload vids, pics and stick GSoC up as an event, or any other
event EFL will be represented in!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Enlightenment-Foundation-Libraries/61275701894

-Toma


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Re: [E-devel] Being social...

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2009/3/18 Massimiliano Calamelli mcalame...@gmail.com:
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 Email me for admin rights. Its a little bare at the moment so feel
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 event EFL will be represented in!

 http://www.facebook.com/pages/Enlightenment-Foundation-Libraries/61275701894

 -Toma

 So fast, man!
 I invited Vincent and Andras from my contacts.
 Just a little question: why EFL (the libs)  and not E17 (the DE)?


It covers more. Can easily make an E17 page too.

 Massimiliano
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Re: [E-devel] Being social...

[Toma]

The product page (One I made) is better for promo stuff, as we can add
events, video, pics but also theres a thing called Insight for the
admins where we can see all the page views for it and see what works
and what doesnt. Groups are cool but fairly ineffective for a product.

Also, you cant become a fan of a group.

-Toma.

2009/3/19 Sevcsik András sevc...@gmail.com:
 On Wednesday 18 March 2009 22:32:35 Massimiliano Calamelli wrote:
 2009/3/18 Sevcsik András sevc...@gmail.com:
  Then the Enlightenment group should stay, it has much more members,
 and
  also some comment traffic. Is it ok, to delete E17 users, then?

 For me is good to have Enlightenment group and Enlightenment
 Foundation Libraries (built today by Toma-) page, removing E17 users.

 Massimiliano

 Ok, I deleted the group.

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Re: [E-devel] EFM: freedesktop icons

[Toma]

How do we set our theme and where is it to be installed? Is it going
to be a full Fd.o themeset or just enough to cover efm mime types? E
icons have always been a tricky mess. However, fd.o icons have been a
bit of a mess too.

On 3/2/09, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote:
 Hello All,

 I just committed a major change to Enlightenment File Manager so it
 will use Efreet to load FreeDesktop.Org (FDO) mime types and
 associated icons. These icons will come from icon theme set at
 Settings - Look - Icon Theme and existence of icons will thus depend
 on it. For instance Tango does not provide folder icon, but Oxygen
 (KDE4) is very complete and looks really good. If icons are not found,
 then it will fallback to E17 theme default, so if you're using Tango
 you'll keep seeing E17 folder icon and not Tango's.

 With that change we can now remove most icons from E17 theme and we
 should create a freedesktop-compliant set. This is good because we can
 have KDE and Gnome to use or icons (or at least most of them!) and
 make look  feel similar, improving usability. So we need artists
 (Toma? ManoWarrior?) to take care to provide such set.

 I'd like to ask themers/artists to look at E17 icon usage and try to
 see if icons could use the standard naming scheme, so we share more.
 Please see
 http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.html

 Worth noting that at least on e17 code we still alow .edj icons, not
 sure about Efreet but we could fix it to allow that as well. With that
 we can still have nice animated icons using our technology and not
 restrict to boring PNGs.

 Last but not least, it's not all happiness. Efreet is potentially not
 as fast as we hope it could be. The cache needs to be fixed/improved,
 we need to really speedup mimetype caching and icon finding. So if you
 find out slow cases, report. If you have coding skills, try to
 improve. Ask me (k-s) or Nicholas Hughart (mekius) at IRC.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: slackd00d trunk/e

[Toma]

A lot of us have put in a lot of personal time to make E awesome and
then be honored to get our name in the Authors list. Placing your name
in here is usually done AFTER you author some software or artwork for
the project at hand. That being said, we have plenty of work for you
if youre willing to put in the hard yards and get creating.

 If you seriously want to contribute, theres plenty on the Release
wiki page to do. If you cant code, there are plenty of icons that need
to be done. I know youre capable with the artwork side of things from
your theme. If you want to contribute with more icons, please ping
myself, raster or ManoWarrior on IRC. If you do decide to take this
path, we will hope you can actively contribute to our efforts in
making these icons. Additionally, me and ManoWarrior will do what we
can to give you guidance in icon design and creation.

e/trunk/THEMES/b_and_w is the place to upload any artwork you want to
have anyone revise.

Cheers,
Toma.

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 no-re...@enlightenment.org wrote:
 Log:
  Added an author
 Author:       slackd00d
 Date:         2009-02-25 21:44:02 -0800 (Wed, 25 Feb 2009)
 New Revision: 39232

 Modified:
  trunk/e/AUTHORS

 Modified: trunk/e/AUTHORS
 ===
 --- trunk/e/AUTHORS     2009-02-26 04:36:13 UTC (rev 39231)
 +++ trunk/e/AUTHORS     2009-02-26 05:44:02 UTC (rev 39232)
 @@ -22,3 +22,4 @@
  k-s (Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri) barbi...@profusion.mobi
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Re: [E-devel] Eterm and utf8

[Toma]

Patch was not included in the email. Might be best to create a bug on
trac.enlightenment.org/e/ and attach the patch. There may already be a
bug open for UTF8 support...

-Toma.


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 Hello,

 It is annoying that Eterm doesn't handle utf8. Here is a half-baked patch
 that might inspire somebody (Michael? :) ) to do it properly.

 Beware! This patch breaks things in non-utf8 locales, probably doesn't work
 on big-endian platforms, and is not suited for anything except playing
 around.

 That said, things seem to work fairly well with e.g. LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and
 selecting a good font, e.g.
 Eterm -F -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso10646-1

 With -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal-ja-13-120-75-75-c-120-iso10646-1 it even
 looks like Japanese and Korean is rendered correctly but there is some
 weirdness with column stepping (every second column is skipped).

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Re: [E-devel] Release schedule

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So todays the day to finish all features. I know its a pain in the
ass, but would it feasible to start suggesting an ultra-hazy alpha
release date? My crystal ball is suggesting August-September.  This
may motivate people to actually work on these bugs if we have a set
date to TRY to get these things done.

Additionally, considering GSoC is fast approaching, so we might be
able to get some more developers on board if we get accepted again.
Might be a good idea to get a wiki together on how to get involved in
E bug squishing so we can link to it for any prospective developers?

Toma.

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[E-devel] Exchange site bug

[Toma]

Hey folks,

Slight bug in the exchange website, adding apps from PROTO/ dont get
picked up by the Get It.

I dare say it might be in getSourceDisplayUrl() line 47 of
web/exchange/exchange/lib/model/doctrine/Application.class.php and
Madule.class.php where is has MISC but not PROTO. Also that return in
there should be svn rather than cvs... but I think thats been
discussed a while ago? Id fix this myself, but I dont know how to test
it and I dont want to break anything.

Cheers,
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[E-devel] Exchange Full E17 themes

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Hey folks.
It has always been a bit of a let down to have a lack of 'Full E17
themes' category on Exchange. So I went and created the 'Full theme'
category here:
http://exchange.enlightenment.org/themeGroup/show/1674

It recognizes a e/theme/about group and sets up the category that way.
Does anyone have any objections to the name 'Full Theme'? I chose it
because it was short and to the point.

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Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation

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2009/2/7 Luca De Marini luca.darkmas...@gmail.com:
 2009/2/6 Jorge Mariani jorgemari...@gmail.com

 Have you tried http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/DotNet/default.aspx


 That's exactly the place I was going to use from the beginning :)

I get the feeling it would be better paying someone within the project
already as they might know the internals better. On a separate note, I
was thinking about doing something like this a few days ago. Maybe
ProFUSION could setup a 'Pay an E hacker' system where we could get
donations to pay someone to hack E specifically?

Toma.

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Re: [E-devel] Forming a non-profit entity?

[Toma]

I did a little leg work to see what the Gnome and KDE folks are doing.

http://foundation.gnome.org/legal/
http://foundation.gnome.org/finance/
(Yes, the 2007 books are not available! Naughty Naughty!)
Looks like they run the show themselves, but get free-ish legal
services from SFLC

http://ev.kde.org/
These guys also run the show themselves.

Do we know just how much time gets spent doing all this book keeping
and ground work for these foundations? I get the feeling its a bit of
work at the start to setup all the copyright, trademarks, bank
accounts, tax forms etc etc, but once its going its probably not that
hard to do. (No im not putting my hand up...)

Toma

2009/2/7 Ravenlock ravenl...@ravenlock.us:
 Hello,

 [Not a development topic.. but I need to hit the right audience]

 Last year, with our acceptance in GSoC, it came to my attention that we
 might possibly benefit from forming an official 501(c)(3) Non Profit
 Organization.  This has become fresh in my mind again this year due to
 GSoC, but also due to the Bounty that has appeared regarding the E
 File Manager.

 Forming an NPO has many benefits I'm told.  I don't pretend to fully
 understand all of them, but here are the ones that seem most immediately
 applicable to E:

  1) A third party to manage our assets:
 Money, copyrights, trademarks, etc
  2) A way to collect earmarked donations:
 I believe we could accept a general donation for E,
 or monies for specific tasks (Like EFM work)
  3) An entity to absorb IRS tax obligations:
 Google pays our organization money for each student
 who completes GSoC.  The money gets sent to an
 individual[1] (for deposit into the E fund, held by
 another individual[2]). Individual[1] has tax
 obligations.
  4) Protection from personal liability:
 They say anyone can sue anyone else for anything
 these days.  Sounds good to be protected from that.
  5) Copyright/Trademark enforcement:
 If we had a need,
  6) Donations to E become tax deductible for he who
 donates.

 Now, all of the above might sound like simply more work, more
 bookkeeping, and unnecessary structural changes to E.  However, there
 are presently organizations out there that are in fact NPOs, whose
 function is to be an umbrella NPO for FOSS projects.  One such
 organization is the Software Freedom Conservancy.

   http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org

 They provide services to many FOSS orgs.  Some of which are very notable
 names:

  http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/members/

 There is also a sibling organization (Software Freedom Law Center) which
 provides legal representation for member projects:

  http://www.softwarefreedom.org/

 The SFLC works closely with the Free Software Foundation, GNU Compiler
 Collection Steering Committee, and many others.

 The SFC/SFLC is a well established organization who already has the
 structure, personnel, and facilities to handle all of the above.  Their
 goal is to provide these services with little or no changes to its
 member orgs.

 So, I'm writing this purely to kick up a discussion.  To generate QAs.
  I don't have all the (any?) answers, but I'm willing to do the legwork
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Re: [E-devel] Wrong icons being displayed

[Toma]

Fixed!

Thanks,
Toma.

2009/2/4 Alberto Castro albe...@cored.org:
 Hi,

 Could someone please change the following:


 Line:204 of src/modules/conf_wallpaper/e_int_config_wallpaper_gradient.c

 from:   e_dialog_border_icon_set(dia, enlightenment/background);

 to: e_dialog_border_icon_set(dia, enlightenment/gradient);


 Line:178 on src/modules/conf_wallpaper/e_int_config_wallpaper_web.c

 from:   e_dialog_border_icon_set(dia, enlightenment/background);

 to: e_dialog_border_icon_set(dia, enlightenment/website);


 It is so that the Gradient (Crete a gradient) and Online dialogs do
 not inherit the Wallpaper Settings icon and use their own.

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[E-devel] Python-EFL binging for icccm accept focus

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Hi all,

Ive searched and poked but can not find the binding to make ecore.evas
windows ignore focus. with the gtk module its a simple
set_accept_focus 0/1 to make this possible but Im having a hard time
finding the python-EFL equivalent. Ive also search around ecore.x but
cant find what I need.

Heres what Ive been putting together with virtkey and efl :)
http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/keys.png

Toma

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Re: [E-devel] Release schedule

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2009/1/29 sda dmitry.serpok...@gmail.com:
 On 09:04 Thu 29 Jan , Toma wrote:

 As the top of the page says, we need to finalize the list of things
 TODO.

 hi guys,

 i'm not the dev so beg your pardon if things below are out of scope.

 1) after the review of a mentioned page
 (http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Release)
 i decide to fill 'trac' with some more 'tickets'/(requests) instead of
 the page modification. assume that it's your (and not mine) decision to
 set a milestone to the Release.

 2) there're no 'magic' word  we're all aware about (no doubt that it ...
 you know...). here it is (in capital letters):
   == SYSTRAY ==
 suppose that clear definition of our POV to this case is required. it's
 o'k not to make one and explain why. but Release of a Desktop Shell
 without a tray will attract less Users i guess. yes, Wiki FAQ advise to
 use 'trayer', 'stalonetray', etc., but references to the various
 discussions are unable to state the case clear.


There was a systray mention on there a while ago... maybe it was a
different TODO list. Added in modules-extra for now.

 3) annoying question related to the color and font config modules. as
 it was mentioned by Raster:

thats what i meant - just wouldn't compile the color and font config modules.
they they wont appear anywhere. code will be there - just not being compiled 
or
used until its fixed.

 ok. but does it mean that all themes/(.edj files) which use custom fonts
 and/or color_class:-es will require maintenance? if Yes!, then
 suppose that the info should be spread all over the community or only new
 default theme will remain usable (it's a nice option, but some may
 prefer other variants).


I think scraping the modules to config it would be good, but leave the
support for it via enlightenment_remote would be good as well. If
anyone was keen, they could revamp it and reintroduce into a major
release eg, E17.1. That way, we dont need to alter themes, and if you
really want, just include a brief howto in the theme about. Kind of
like what i did with Cerium.

 4) another chewing gum - Should add lua support? (optional) Just
 make a decision and say it. No/Yes - doesn't matter much (though the
 amount of maintenance if Yes will be sufficient). it's a pity that
 both VM's ('embryo' and 'lua') can't exist together.


More of a pending decision. Someone was working on an alternate
environment with LUA working. Results of that work are yet to be
debated and trialed I guess? My personal

 5) last couple of days i'm using 'Ecomorph' and it's much more stable
 then bling module. suppose that bling should be improved (in terms
 of stability) or explicitly marked as 'unstable'. yes, FAQ tells that
 E17 doesn't work with composite, but it's an easy task for bling now
 to create a nice segfault of E17 :).

 offtop http://en.opensuse.org/Ecomorph

Only thing stopping ecomorph from being an official module is that it
needs drastic changes to the main tree, IIRC. Someone feel free to
correct me on that as I havent looked into it.


 6) as i mentioned in trac ticket #201 the gap exist in a window
 management between E16/eesh and E17/enlightenment_remote. it could be
 nice to eliminate this mismatch especially for the experienced Users
 of E16.


Like buying a new TV, you need to learn the new remote. :)

 7) the bridge between qt - edje  gtk - edje still under
 heavy discussion suggest to create a couple of themes like existing
 Clearlooks (it's really nice) to match the major ones used by others.
 dunno about qt (don't use it here) but it's an easy task to copy a
 couple of most popular gtk+ ones.


With the development of QEdje, a cross to QT/KDE with an E theme might
be possible with a bit more persistence. But again, I havent even
looked at QEdje and friends since they were released a while back. But
in all honesty, we shouldnt worry too much about that. What we SHOULD
worry about, is the cross themeing of E with EWL and ETK. It is all
very possible, but as a themer yourself, its quite tedious to add the
other parts and duplicate and so on. We could of course, investigate
making the toolkits (Or toolkit) work with edje parts from an E theme.


 thanks for your kind attention.
 regards,
 sda


NP.
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[E-devel] Release schedule

[Toma]

Thought Id ping the mailing list about this:

http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Release

As the top of the page says, we need to finalize the list of things
TODO. Mekius mentioned removing a couple of the EFM todos and Id
welcome that. Im in the process of finishing off the icons, but think
some of the dialogs could either get the chop, or get renamed. One of
these is 'Interactions', as it has a pile of thumbscroll options.

Shall we set a date for closing off the TODO feature list? Any
additions after that date will be bugs related to the features.

I propose February 14th. Its close, realistic, and might dull the
loneliness of Valentines Day. :)

-Toma.

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Re: [E-devel] Release schedule

[Toma]

Furthermore, I just added a note to the wiki page to add your
name/nick (and if you want, email) to whatever item or items you might
be working on so others can start crossing off some of the items. So
if you are interested in claiming one of the TODOs, now would be a
good time.

-Toma

2009/1/29 Toma tomha...@gmail.com:
 Thought Id ping the mailing list about this:

 http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Release

 As the top of the page says, we need to finalize the list of things
 TODO. Mekius mentioned removing a couple of the EFM todos and Id
 welcome that. Im in the process of finishing off the icons, but think
 some of the dialogs could either get the chop, or get renamed. One of
 these is 'Interactions', as it has a pile of thumbscroll options.

 Shall we set a date for closing off the TODO feature list? Any
 additions after that date will be bugs related to the features.

 I propose February 14th. Its close, realistic, and might dull the
 loneliness of Valentines Day. :)

 -Toma.


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[E-devel] Dialog size and widget relevance

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Hey guys.
A light just went on in my head about something I just saw on reddit.
Here is the post:
http://blogs.gnome.org/mortenw/2009/01/21/the-gtk-file-chooser-dialog/

As you can see, when the window gets scaled, the relevant widget (File
picker) gets sized to obscurity while the buttons are fine.

Then compare it to this neat edje interface:
http://www.amsn-project.net/~kakaroto/edje/amsn2-v4.mpeg
This is amsn2 as some of you might know. You can see how when the size
of the window gets too small, the less relevant widgets get minimised
out. This still make the dialog functional and relevant.

So I got thinking, if we had added a 'widget relevance' parameters to
some of the widgets in dialogs, we could put this effect into
practice. It would make neater dialogs at smaller sizes but also make
more powerful dialogs at bigger sizes. You could even make a
configurator to make the widgets a set relevance level so they stay.

I know its just more code and more work, but it could be something to
put into EWL, ETK or Elementary and save for E18 or EFL 2.0.

-Toma

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Re: [E-devel] e17 release stuff

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Spot on Mekius. If we had a 6 month roadmap and an alpha release, we'd
have quite a bit of PR and certainly a bit of personal drive. Even
with ewl having releases it gives me drive to try to get the new theme
into the next major version. Im sure other devs would be energised by
a roadmap and release.
Toma.

On 1/6/09, Nick Hughart mek...@mekius.net wrote:
 On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 23:40:42 -0500
 Hisham Mardam Bey hisham.mardam...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote:
  On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Luchezar Petkov
  luchezar.pet...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
  barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote:
 
  I did basic categorization of enlightenment items and also remove
  the idea to drop 16bpp engines as we'll use it in our projects.
 
  most showstopper atm is file manager items, I think we can do
  without them so would flag them (all, or at least most of them)
  as optional.
 
  I'd disagree with you here. A nice fm is really important to the
  end users. Using external file browser is just an ugly way (imo)
  and would 1) make less experienced users ask lots of questions
  about how to deal with files when using E (and why (and how)
  should they bother installing external fm) and 2) probably distro
  packagers are going to pack E with Thunar or something and I don't
  like that. I'm aware that the fm is probably one of the hardest
  things to do in E17, but it is too important to just... not finish
  it.
 
  But it's mostly working for joe-the-user. Sure, having things like
  Ctrl-{x,c,v} is good, but not hard or blocking.
 

 I would just like to point something out quickly here. We (the EFL /
 E17 team) have waited so long before doing a release that anything
 that is not perfect and done is going to prove exactly what a lot of
 the public thinks of EFL / E17; namely that its vapor ware that will
 never be completed. We can't afford to release anything that is half
 done after this extremely long time period of working on E17.

 This is true, but it's also a misconception of the public that all this
 time was spent just working on E17.  This is hardly the case and many
 people are already using the EFL and are mostly awaiting a release so
 they have a stable target to develop against.  E17 has been a long time
 coming for sure, but I think people discount the amount of code that
 has been written and the small number of dedicated developers we have.

 And the use of the term vaporware is crap as well.  Vaporware doesn't
 exist at all.  E17 and the EFL both exist in a very real way and the
 lack of a stable release doesn't change that.  If all the code was
 closed up and no one could use it, I could see people coming to this
 conclusion. Fact is people can use E17 because we have released it via
 CVS/SVN.  Anyone who calls it vaporware is a moron.


 Had we done smaller incremental releases we could have afforded to
 introduce incomplete features every now and then, right now, I
 personally think we should take that bit of extra time to really
 finish and polish anything that is incomplete or simply exclude it
 from the release plan and release it afterward as an E17.1 or E17.2.


 This is true.  People may have been more willing to accept bugs and
 such, but it would have also put us in a position of offering a lot
 more documentation and support for users who couldn't debug to save
 their life, let alone explain their issue clear enough.  By releasing
 a development version via a source repository you attempt to attract
 more developers then users so you can free yourself from answering user
 questions 24/7.  Of course a lot of users have started using E17 and
 that's fine, but they hopefully realize that what they are using is not
 finished.  People packaging doesn't help that, but we can at least
 focus more on development then support.

 Now with that said, an initial release will be good as soon as most of
 the bugs are ironed out.  Feature wise I think we can sacrifice some of
 the more advanced and difficult to implement features for the initial
 release.  For the release, we will need more documentation, tutorials,
 etc.  It will also require some form of support, but the long time
 CVS/SVN users can help with that hopefully.

 In any case, I think the biggest thing a release will do is generate a
 bit of PR for E and hopefully bring a new rush of developers/users who
 are willing and able to help out wherever they can.  If anything we will
 have a release that can be packaged and users can easily install.  This
 will lower the amount of build questions that seem to consume so much
 of our support time now.  So this could be very good for everyone, but
 like you said, we need to make sure it's pretty damn good or the
 backlash could be brutal.  Even if we do make a quality release, I
 expect a lot of crap flinging from all angles just because people like
 to hate beautiful things

Re: [E-devel] Announcing EWL 0.5.3

[Toma]

Im currently working (slowly) on making a BW theme for ewl. Whats the
timeline to the next release? Ill up load my work so far once i get
back home in a few days.

Toma

On 1/5/09, Nathan Ingersoll ninge...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm pleased to announce the release of EWL version 0.5.3. This release
 has some extensive changes, including the following highlights:

* Version 0.5.3:
  - Fixed compile warnings on 64-bit systems
  - Improved entry selection and cursor handling
  - A variety of bug fixes and type corrections
  - Formatting improvements
  - Normalized widget realize/unrealize and show/hide
  - Cleaned out private headers to reduce build times
  - Rewrite of paned widget
  - Addition of constructor unit tests
  - 'Create Directory' button added to filepicker
  - Kinetic scrolling added to the scrollpane
  - Stop building unneeded static libraries to reduce build time
  - The ewl_password widget is now part of ewl_entry to reduce
 code duplication
  - Various feature additions to the filepicker family of widgets
  - Better robustness of ewl_progressbar widget
  - Split flags into attributes of the ewl_object and ewl_widget
 objects
  - Internal XDND support
  - Improved MVC selection handling
  - Addition of a SHRINKABLE fill policy
  - Improved container behaviour
  - Keybinding support for the ewl_text widget
  - Addition of an ewl_icondialog widget
  - Improvement of model terminology
  - Add an UNMANAGED flag to improve container behaviour
  - EWL is now Evilized!
  - Addition of a alpha channel slider to the ewl_colorpicker widget
  - Autofoo improvements
  - Expanded support for config key removal
  - General window management hint improvements
  - Improved robustness of the ewl_grid widget
  - Improved widget signal handling
  - Use merged software X11 engine
  - Various code cleanups thanks to LLVM static analysis
  - Removal of original ewl_tree, rename ewl_tree2 to ewl_tree
  - Moved tutorials from the test files to seperate directory
  - Creation of coverage report with gcov and lcov is now supported
  - Addition of ewl_freebox_mvc widget
  - ewl_embed now inherits from ewl_cell instead of ewl_overlay
  - Expanding of the ewl_tree widget API
  - Various fixes and feature additions for the ewl_text widget
  - Allow the ewl_label widget to be trunctated with '...'
  - Improved the cosmetics of the debugging macros
  - Revamped ewl_combo MVC API and implementation
  - Split widget tests into GUI and unit test cases
  - Fixed widget reparenting

 Thank you to the following contributors for making this release possible:

 Peter Wehrfritz
 Jaime Thomas
 Teodor Petrov
 Dan Sinclair
 Vincent Torri
 Stephen Houston

 This release can be checked out from:
 http://svn.enlightenment.org/svn/e/tags/ewl/ewl-0.5.3/

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Re: [E-devel] ewww: browser test on top of efl-webkit

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Good job! :)

Unfortunate name... unless your going for the sense of humor market.
In that case, well done. :)

Theme looks good for now. Ill fix up the shadows of those left and
right arrows sometime soon so its a little more unison. Also, if you
need bigger icons, the sources for them all are in THEMES/b_and_w/

Toma

2008/12/21 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi:
 Hello guys,

 Since INdT guys released EFL-Webkit port some days ago some hacks
 started to appear to test it. Nicolas (captainigloo) did some tests in
 order to evaluate using it in enna, Raoul started a cool test
 application called ewww:

svn co http://dev.calaos.fr/calaos-svn/ewww

 I did a checkout of this code and created my own git so I keep a
 patchset on top of it easily:

   git clone git://git.profusion.mobi/users/gustavo/ewww.git

 I diverged a bit with regard to theme, going a more black  white
 approach and the layout is towards google chrome:
 http://staff.get-e.org/~barbieri/ewww.png  (scrollbars are just
 indicators and are hidden automatically after 1 second, that's why
 there are none in the screenshot).

 while doing this I found some problems that I already reported to kenneth:

  - race conditions while painting, efl-webkit should do a lock around
 image data while it renders, otherwise we get old results on the
 screen, since we have no control over evas buffers, we should just do
 these operations when we hold a lock from main thread (possible
 request it using an idler, pipe...);
  - valgrind complains a bit.
  - need absolute scroll, or move, so I can implement Home and End;
  - filter keyboard events, possible it's just return bool in
 keyPressEvent? problem is that if I press down in a form I don't want
 my scrollview to scroll.
  - object deletion while page is loading must be handled properly. if
 you use ewww to open a page and close the window, it segfaults.
  - copy  paste, at least text. (low priority)
  - very minor: ewk_webview_object_load_url() should take a const char *
  - export history navigation somehow, since it exports _back(),
 _forward()... I want to have access to list and then disable/enable
 buttons.
  - seems that gmail problem is related to frames, it does not work
 with javadoc/epydoc, which are really simple html, but uses frames.
  - some way to query for metadata, to present rss link, alternate
 css, if it is using cryptography.


 My next steps on the interface is to provide proper smart objects for
 the view+scroll and then the tab chrome (the current ui can be thought
 as a tab). With that I plan to write some basic tabs and then explore
 with Google Chrome's idea of multiple process, since I'll not do any
 fancy shared memory work, I just plan to reparent
 ecore_evas_software_x11 on top of my other canvas, that might do for
 now.

 If you check the code, you see we still lack lots of resources of a
 real browser, but hey! it was a one day work!


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Re: [E-devel] ewww: browser test on top of efl-webkit

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2008/12/21 Vincent Torri vto...@univ-evry.fr:


 On Sun, 21 Dec 2008, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:

 Hello guys,

 Since INdT guys released EFL-Webkit port some days ago some hacks
 started to appear to test it. Nicolas (captainigloo) did some tests in
 order to evaluate using it in enna, Raoul started a cool test
 application called ewww:

svn co http://dev.calaos.fr/calaos-svn/ewww

 I did a checkout of this code and created my own git so I keep a
 patchset on top of it easily:

   git clone git://git.profusion.mobi/users/gustavo/ewww.git

 I diverged a bit with regard to theme, going a more black  white
 approach and the layout is towards google chrome:
 http://staff.get-e.org/~barbieri/ewww.png  (scrollbars are just
 indicators and are hidden automatically after 1 second, that's why
 there are none in the screenshot).

 My next steps on the interface is to provide proper smart objects for
 the view+scroll and then the tab chrome (the current ui can be thought
 as a tab). With that I plan to write some basic tabs and then explore
 with Google Chrome's idea of multiple process, since I'll not do any
 fancy shared memory work, I just plan to reparent
 ecore_evas_software_x11 on top of my other canvas, that might do for
 now.

 As I said on IRCn as Nicolas, Raoul and you are interested in that
 program:

 1) the code should be placed somewhere everyone can commit. Of course,
 PROTO/ is the way to go for now

 2) More important, we should first discuss about the UI design of such
 app. ML and also a page in the wiki should be used, imho


Having worked with some of the different things EFL has to offer, I
think the way elitaire works for its design is so awesome. You can
change as much or as little as you like. I totally reworked the whole
interface to be something different. This is something that other
toolkits fail to do and I think it would be a great Look what we can
do type of feature.

Toma

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Re: [E-devel] ewww: browser test on top of efl-webkit

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2008/12/22 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri barbi...@profusion.mobi:
 On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:15 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
 ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
 On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:57:16 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 barbi...@profusion.mobi babbled:

 On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Toma tomha...@gmail.com wrote:
  Good job! :)
 
  Unfortunate name... unless your going for the sense of humor market.
  In that case, well done. :)

 it's not my choice, but I'm open to suggestions when we import it into 
 PROTO/


  Theme looks good for now. Ill fix up the shadows of those left and
  right arrows sometime soon so its a little more unison. Also, if you
  need bigger icons, the sources for them all are in THEMES/b_and_w/

 really, I'm not much into doing graphics, so I just did a quick look
 on top of elementary/e17 icons and choose some, resized them to 32x32.

 I'm all open for you or other themers to join and do the EDC, you can
 request what kind of messages and signals do you want and I send from
 C. So far you will get title, url, scroll and progress messages and
 load/done signals. You are supposed to emit navigation signals and
 that's it. View is completely in EDC.
I know there are few things missing for a real browser, like a slot
 to put favico and I'd like to apply syntax to url, just like google
 chrome does (highlight real domain, fade http:// and other stuff).

 BTW, for things like preferences and dialogs, I'd like to avoid extra
 windows at all, so we can have it working on fb and others, so I plan
 to just create a new tab for preferences and alert(), confirm() and
 others we display as a swallow on top of the contents area in the tab.
Do you like it?


I do like. The more parts that are just edje bits, the more ellaborate
themes can be. We can alo start to really experiment with different
ways of controlling a web browser and such.

 actually elm will get an inwin - window in a window widget. just a simple
 container to hold children + a bg and frame. centered in the parent. this
 will solve many things. that + a stack for push/pop of inwins :)

 yes, but the tricky part is to develop a pipe-protocol or ipc to
 control these processes and monitor them, for example, when user types
 an URL we must request process to die and a new one to take place, if
 it flickers a lot, we maybe should ask this process to exec on top of
 itself and keep X connection opened, also reuse same window.  If
 process die, its window should disappear and the underlying edje
 object should show this page crashed.

 so that's the difficult part :-)

 BTW, for this inwin, make it part of ecore_evas, just like we have
 associate, we could have an x associate, we associate an X window to
 an object, when you change that object it will reflect on the x
 window. Then elm inwin is built on top of it.


 and for ui.. i hav a plan i'd like to try that involves almsot no browser
 controls visible. just a little [+] in a corner (u can drag around  to
 different corners so i doesnt permanently consume a corner of the page all 
 the
 time so if content is there it accessible just by moving it out of the way) 
 in
 fact.. this should become a widget in elm... click it and it expands to show
 controls

 i expect this to be pretty simple now, I just split it into 2 smarts,
 one begin a scrolled frame and another with controls. I mostly copied
 elm scrolled theme, and it should be simple to use elm there. for
 controls it's pure edje with a swallow.

Sounds nice. I might try to make a mockup of something along those
lines this afternoon (4 hours away).


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Re: [E-devel] ewww: browser test on top of efl-webkit

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http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/eweb.png

Heres a little something. While its not as fancy as Id hope (yet) it
shows a few ideas. The buttons could be held to create the 'right
click' type menu, to make use on touchscreens easier.

One things that concerns me tho, is Flash. Will it work? :|

Toma

2008/12/22 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com:
 On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:42:30 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 barbi...@profusion.mobi babbled:

 On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:15 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
 ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
  On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:57:16 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
  barbi...@profusion.mobi babbled:
 
  On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Toma tomha...@gmail.com wrote:
   Good job! :)
  
   Unfortunate name... unless your going for the sense of humor market.
   In that case, well done. :)
 
  it's not my choice, but I'm open to suggestions when we import it into
  PROTO/
 
 
   Theme looks good for now. Ill fix up the shadows of those left and
   right arrows sometime soon so its a little more unison. Also, if you
   need bigger icons, the sources for them all are in THEMES/b_and_w/
 
  really, I'm not much into doing graphics, so I just did a quick look
  on top of elementary/e17 icons and choose some, resized them to 32x32.
 
  I'm all open for you or other themers to join and do the EDC, you can
  request what kind of messages and signals do you want and I send from
  C. So far you will get title, url, scroll and progress messages and
  load/done signals. You are supposed to emit navigation signals and
  that's it. View is completely in EDC.
 I know there are few things missing for a real browser, like a slot
  to put favico and I'd like to apply syntax to url, just like google
  chrome does (highlight real domain, fade http:// and other stuff).
 
  BTW, for things like preferences and dialogs, I'd like to avoid extra
  windows at all, so we can have it working on fb and others, so I plan
  to just create a new tab for preferences and alert(), confirm() and
  others we display as a swallow on top of the contents area in the tab.
 Do you like it?
 
  actually elm will get an inwin - window in a window widget. just a simple
  container to hold children + a bg and frame. centered in the parent. this
  will solve many things. that + a stack for push/pop of inwins :)

 yes, but the tricky part is to develop a pipe-protocol or ipc to
 control these processes and monitor them, for example, when user types
 an URL we must request process to die and a new one to take place, if
 it flickers a lot, we maybe should ask this process to exec on top of
 itself and keep X connection opened, also reuse same window.  If
 process die, its window should disappear and the underlying edje
 object should show this page crashed.

 so that's the difficult part :-)

 ooh - no. inwin was just a widget - nothing to do with processes - its for 1
 proc opening windows in a window eg a dialog are you sure? yes no

 BTW, for this inwin, make it part of ecore_evas, just like we have
 associate, we could have an x associate, we associate an X window to
 an object, when you change that object it will reflect on the x
 window. Then elm inwin is built on top of it.

 aaha not what u thought it was :)

  and for ui.. i hav a plan i'd like to try that involves almsot no browser
  controls visible. just a little [+] in a corner (u can drag around  to
  different corners so i doesnt permanently consume a corner of the page all
  the time so if content is there it accessible just by moving it out of the
  way) in fact.. this should become a widget in elm... click it and it
  expands to show controls

 i expect this to be pretty simple now, I just split it into 2 smarts,
 one begin a scrolled frame and another with controls. I mostly copied
 elm scrolled theme, and it should be simple to use elm there. for
 controls it's pure edje with a swallow.

 i was actually going to use elementary completely for it all... :)


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds IN trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA: . places places/fonts places/images places/m4 places/po places/src

[Toma]

Good news everybody! Ive successfully added the places theme parts
into b_n_w with only 1 additional icon. In addition to that, I figured
it might be best to get the device icons from the same source as EFM.
I stuck a FIXME in there for it. Will commit when I see some upwards
pointing thumbs.

Toma.

2008/12/8 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:09:48 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Christopher Michael
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:17:32 +0900 Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
  Hmmm. Id like it in there too, but size is an issue. Its a little over
  800kb. That said, it could easily be trimmed down if it shared some of
  the other icons. I could also turn those cdrom/hdd icons into 2 image
  edje icons. The fonts would be made redundant with the Sans setting...
 
  lean it down and we cant seriously consider it in e17's core. i personally
  disagree on auto-mounting on insert as it makes eject a problem. but 
  that's
  just me :)
 
  Yea, not a big fan of auto-mount either...

 Guys, it is an option, just check the configure dialog. Making it
 disabled by default is easy.

 that's why i'm not saying no :)


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds IN trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA: . places places/fonts places/images places/m4 places/po places/src

[Toma]

http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/e-module-places.edj
For your testing pleasure. Drop it in lib/enlightenment/modules/places.

2008/12/11 Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Good news everybody! Ive successfully added the places theme parts
 into b_n_w with only 1 additional icon. In addition to that, I figured
 it might be best to get the device icons from the same source as EFM.
 I stuck a FIXME in there for it. Will commit when I see some upwards
 pointing thumbs.

 Toma.

 2008/12/8 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:09:48 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Christopher Michael
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:17:32 +0900 Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
 
  Hmmm. Id like it in there too, but size is an issue. Its a little over
  800kb. That said, it could easily be trimmed down if it shared some of
  the other icons. I could also turn those cdrom/hdd icons into 2 image
  edje icons. The fonts would be made redundant with the Sans setting...
 
  lean it down and we cant seriously consider it in e17's core. i 
  personally
  disagree on auto-mounting on insert as it makes eject a problem. but 
  that's
  just me :)
 
  Yea, not a big fan of auto-mount either...

 Guys, it is an option, just check the configure dialog. Making it
 disabled by default is easy.

 that's why i'm not saying no :)


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme

[Toma]

Ive been giving this a little more thought, and I suspect
e/widgets/preview should probably be capable of rendering something a
little more interesting than a boring swallow. Perhaps the wallpaper
wih a shelf clone and a button? I jut think this could be used better
than just a wallpaper. Alternatively, exchange might be able to
download a specific group of a theme and render that instead of
grabbing a whole edj files. If its possible or not, is another
question.

What im tryng to say is:
Exchange extracts a button, a dialog, a wallpaper and a shelf from the
theme. Creates a scaled down 'preview' edj from that then send it to
the user for previewing. Issue there is server load, but it could be a
1 off when the theme is uploaded.

The preview edj is then downloaded when previewing and is used on a
widget that uses these preview edje parts. The can then interact with
the preview before deciding to download, which gets them the whole
theme.

Its a bit wishful but its a bit more exciting than an image. Also
takes away some of the work of the themer. It would require some more
thought though.

Toma.



2008/12/10 Massimiliano Calamelli mcalame...@gmail.com:
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 a dep? it is? where? it may be from fontconfig or maybe librsvg - but it's an
 indirect dep - not direct...

 Uhm, you're right, not a dep for E, but for language module.
 My fault :(

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme

[Toma]

2008/12/10 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Log:
* Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if
 exchange is installed)

 couple of comments:
   - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over
 text description.

 This is because I use only one text object, there are 2 br after the
 version number that should leave enought space for the stars.
 One simple solution is to use 2 different text object per every theme,
 but I don't want to duplicate the number of objects in the scene.
 So the question is: why the textblock will render br differently
 on your machine? maybe we are using a different font?
 Someone else have the same problem?

   - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it
 takes
 a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs
 are
 like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop
 files)

 Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the xml
 file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up asap.

   - scrollbar starts at 100%, when you click it goes to the real (or
 smaller) size.

 thanks didn't noticed.

   - local files lack description and screenshot

 IMO this is more a lack in the themes, I suggest to add the description
 and the screenshot directly inside every theme edje file. (Toma: ping)
 This could also be usefull in the exchange site, to autogenerate themes
 pages.


You dont need images to preview Edje files. Theyre edje! iamsthithas
original idea was to be able to fully generate a preview from the
edje. If you make a fake little environment, wallpaper, a fake window,
a shelf with 2 or 3 icons on it, you get the idea. The other problem
in using an image is the size. A fully preview image would not
compress that well with edje. The other option is to download the
screenshot from exchange. IIRC the api does allow for this. I think if
you have a good enough preview, then a description is not really
needed. That being said, it would be easy enough to add more to the
theme details spec.

Toma.


   - please delay showing Download and other item buttons, it is
 annoying to move mouse over do go to scrollbar or something else and
 get a wave of things going in and out...

 ... I like the wave effect :)  but you are right, need a deley


 As always...thanks for testing  :)
 Dave



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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds trunk/e/src/modules/conf_theme

[Toma]

One of the issues with preview images, is that people have been known
to create previews using a totally different background than to what
is included in  the theme. Its happened twice on exchange so far and
Ive had to request the themer fix up the preview, which they never do.
Another issue that you might run into with descriptions, is
translations. I know english is not the primary language of quite a
few themers for E, even tho we have a large english speaking user
base. Should we keep the door open to translations of descriptions? If
so, how?

As for the image, I see what you mean. Even if we did have a seperate
group as a preview, a themer with a bit of talent could make a full
interactive edje preview in that. Just scale down and make parts
draggable. Or of course, just use an image. :)

Ill put something together soon.
Toma.

2008/12/10 Massimiliano Calamelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 The problem is not the parsing of xml stream, but the download of the
 stream. I used the libxml's internal url fopen wrapper to open the
 stream, imho we can have some benefit switching to ecore_file_download
 + parsing the saved file.

 2008/12/9, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Enlightenment SVN
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Log:
* Use the new Exchange Smart Object in the E17 theme dialog (if
 exchange is installed)

 couple of comments:
   - as I reported to you the other day on irc, rating stars are over
 text description.

 This is because I use only one text object, there are 2 br after the
 version number that should leave enought space for the stars.
 One simple solution is to use 2 different text object per every theme,
 but I don't want to duplicate the number of objects in the scene.
 So the question is: why the textblock will render br differently
 on your machine? maybe we are using a different font?
 Someone else have the same problem?

 this is weird.

 as for the number of objects, for suche a small dialog, it shouldn't
 matter that much.


   - delay heavy operations before dialog is displayed. So far it
 takes
 a lot to show the window, which is very bad. (Some other E dialogs
 are
 like that, mainly those that deal with freedesktop.org .desktop
 files)

 Yes I know, exchange block the mainloop while dowloading and parsing the
 xml
 file. very bad. I'm working for a new nonblocking approach, will be up
 asap.

 if xml is big, you can send it to a thread... I guess libxml has no
 problems with that, just be sure to use no EFL calls there (including
 eina for now).

 BUT, why not use EET for files?! That would explore the potential of
 this nice format! And it should be faster, as well.

 anyway, I think that just adding the startup code to an idler or timer
 after window is displayed will improve user experience a lot.

 As always...thanks for testing  :)

 you're welcome, testing is nothing compared to doing real code! :-) So
 thank you!


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds IN trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA: . places places/fonts places/images places/m4 places/po places/src

[Toma]

2008/12/8 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:

 On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Christopher Michael
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 07:17:32 +0900 Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:
 
  Hmmm. Id like it in there too, but size is an issue. Its a little
 over
  800kb. That said, it could easily be trimmed down if it shared
 some of
  the other icons. I could also turn those cdrom/hdd icons into 2
 image
  edje icons. The fonts would be made redundant with the Sans
 setting...
 
  lean it down and we cant seriously consider it in e17's core. i
 personally
  disagree on auto-mounting on insert as it makes eject a problem.
 but that's
  just me :)
 
  Yea, not a big fan of auto-mount either...

 Guys, it is an option, just check the configure dialog. Making it
 disabled by default is easy.


 It IS disabled by default. I don't like either :P
 dave


I like it. Youre all crazy!

Just an update: Im working on trimming down the theme for this by
using images from BW and recycling whatever I can to get the .edj
size down. The total size DaveMDS had was a little under 100kb
installed. Ill commit something soon and then we can review if its
suitable for E.

Toma



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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds IN trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA: . places places/fonts places/images places/m4 places/po places/src

[Toma]

Hmmm. Id like it in there too, but size is an issue. Its a little over
800kb. That said, it could easily be trimmed down if it shared some of
the other icons. I could also turn those cdrom/hdd icons into 2 image
edje icons. The fonts would be made redundant with the Sans setting...

Toma

2008/12/7 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

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 On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Enlightenment SVN
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  Log:
   Places module in SVN
  Author:   davemds
  Date: 2008-12-06 10:51:04 -0800 (Sat, 06 Dec 2008)
  New Revision: 37964
 

 I think it's better to have this inside official E tree, under
 src/modules.

 Me too :P
 if no one disagree I will make the module internal.

 Dave

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds IN trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA: . places places/fonts places/images places/m4 places/po places/src

[Toma]

2008/12/7 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 - Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:

 Hmmm. Id like it in there too, but size is an issue. Its a little
 over
 800kb. That said, it could easily be trimmed down if it shared some
 of
 the other icons. I could also turn those cdrom/hdd icons into 2 image
 edje icons. The fonts would be made redundant with the Sans
 setting...

 Where did you get 800kb?? here the .edj file is 130kb :/


The raw source size. I didnt test the compressed tar.gz size tho.
Looking forward to seeing it in e :)
Toma


 BUT... I absolutely agree with you that we can share some icons, also
 for consistancy.

 Dave


 Toma

 2008/12/7 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
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 scritto:
 
  On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Enlightenment SVN
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Log:
Places module in SVN
   Author:   davemds
   Date: 2008-12-06 10:51:04 -0800 (Sat, 06 Dec 2008)
   New Revision: 37964
  
 
  I think it's better to have this inside official E tree, under
  src/modules.
 
  Me too :P
  if no one disagree I will make the module internal.
 
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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: davemds IN trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA: . places places/fonts places/images places/m4 places/po places/src

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Having tinkered with it a little more, it would be good to be able to
set something other than just a textblock as the header. Maybe the
system name? Also, it would be more suited to be under the Files
category in the Settings Menu.

Would there be anyway to make this work better in the toolbar of efm
aswell? Perhaps a drop down of some sort...

Toma

2008/12/7 Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 2008/12/7 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 - Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:

 Hmmm. Id like it in there too, but size is an issue. Its a little
 over
 800kb. That said, it could easily be trimmed down if it shared some
 of
 the other icons. I could also turn those cdrom/hdd icons into 2 image
 edje icons. The fonts would be made redundant with the Sans
 setting...

 Where did you get 800kb?? here the .edj file is 130kb :/


 The raw source size. I didnt test the compressed tar.gz size tho.
 Looking forward to seeing it in e :)
 Toma


 BUT... I absolutely agree with you that we can share some icons, also
 for consistancy.

 Dave


 Toma

 2008/12/7 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
 scritto:
 
  On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Enlightenment SVN
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Log:
Places module in SVN
   Author:   davemds
   Date: 2008-12-06 10:51:04 -0800 (Sat, 06 Dec 2008)
   New Revision: 37964
  
 
  I think it's better to have this inside official E tree, under
  src/modules.
 
  Me too :P
  if no one disagree I will make the module internal.
 
  Dave
 
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Re: [E-devel] edje interactive transition

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2008/12/1 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:27:35 +0100 Hendrik Siedelmann
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Hi,

 while fooling around with elementary trying to write some widgets I
 found a pretty huge limitation in edje.
 I was writing a page flip widget to be used for example for slideshow,
 document viewer but also for page switching using cursor/finger on
 touchscreen. But there seems to be no way to interaktiv set the
 transition between two states in edje. For example I want to blend
 between two parts depending on how far the cursor moved while pressed
 down. This way mouse gestures would get visualised by a preview of
 what would happen. But there I found no way to do this in edje one can
 only do the full transition...

 for this - you need to use embryo script {}... it is possible - with a bit of
 thought and complexity and custom states :)


A thought for DaveMDS with edje_editor...
Recording/plotting geometry values for a part? It would involve some
tricky embryo work but it would make a transition like that easier...
Could also make for some interesting animation options without the
piles of work. I dont know how flash artists plot objects movements
but that might be a good place to check out...

-Toma

 So is there (or is planned)
 - something like edje_object_part_state_set to manually set the current state
 or (in my opinion better because it is better animated)
 - transition: INTERAKIV which would on every animator tick call some
 callback to get the current speed of transition. This would have the
 benefit that it could smooth the speed values it gets, so the
 animation is always smooth even if coming from bad real data
 (touchscreen position, acceleromter data ...).

 Or is there another way to do what I want? For know I'll propably just
 create some intermediate states, but thats not really a solution.

 hendrik

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Re: [E-devel] EFM: thoughts, current work et al.

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2008/11/29 jess [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hello,
  On this thread, I have tried to read all of them, but have not heard
 any mention of the multiple windows that get opened when using the built
 in file mgr.  Is it configurable?  I have looked, but have found no way
 to have a double click on a directory open in that windows, vs opening a
 new window.  I saw someone mention that they hate treeviews (maybe
 Gustavo?), but personally, I'd rather have that than twenty windows open
 as I navigate through the directories.  Is this something that could be
 added as a configurable option?  Please let me know if I just haven't
 done the leg work to figure out how the current implementation could be
 configured to use one window vs many.


 Thanks,
 Jess


It is entirely configurable. But before you go ahead with the option,
its advised to build and install efm_nav and/or efm_path from the
E-MODULES-EXTRA dir to make use of the single window option. Its under
Settings  Files  File manager  Open Dirs in Place.

Toma.


 On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 19:13 -0200, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote:
 On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  - Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
 
  On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 8:46 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:54:36 +0100 Chidambar 'ilLogict' Zinnoury
   2. all operations (copy, move, delete) have no progress on screen -
  if there is
   a queue of work (like delete this dir then copy this to here, move
  this to here
   etc.) you can't see it. the idea was to put such status inside the
  efm window
   in-line with where the action was initiated or where it belongs (eg
  if u delete
   a file in a dir then put the status in that dir).
 
  what to do when window is closed? and when that folder is viewed
  again? I'd like to have the progress even if I close the window...
  either do not close it or when you close detach the progress
  status.
 
 
   4. removable device handling (done via hal and dbus at least for the
  raw nuts
   and bolts) mostly seems to work but is a bit hackey the way it
  writes .desktop
   files to ~/.e/e/fileman/favorites then forcibly symlinks them to
  your Desktop -
   this could be cleaned up and made more robust with more options (eg
  also put
   them on other desktops eg Desktop-1 and -2 etc.).
 
  I hate these links. IMHO they should be transparent.
 
  Actually, the idea would be to follow kde's path to have directory
  views of EFM and selectively choose to show devices. That way we
  can
  just have a EFM view with show devices to show our ~/Desktop as a
  gadman. We can even have multiple views in the same desktops (ie: ~/
  and ~/Desktop) or different views per desktops (~/Desktop-1,
  ~/Desktop-2...)
 
  With that I could choose to view ~/.empty-folder and show devices
  to
  list just the external devices.
 
 
   8. renaming files has a dialog - this is because it was hard to do
  before. now
   we can rename in-place. edje's own entry can now do this. this needs
  changing.
 
  Even with edje support is remains difficult. You must ensure that the
  edited text is visible (ie: you're editing next to a border, you
  should pan/scroll to make sure it is visible).
 
   11. while i'm at it the open with.. dialog is not bad - but the
  2-list thing
   needs to go. 1 list. also ilist is again abused with a massive list
  of stuff
   (poor ilist. i need to make it possible for ilist to defer list
  adding and size
   calculation with an add queue). so likely that dialog could do with
  a toolbar
   at the top to select between applications that say they do handle
  that
   mime-type, and all applications as 2 separate lists and you switch
  between.
 
  about ilist, using Smart's changed could help a lot and remove need
  for freeze/thaw. Other than that we could port guarana's MVC list for
  such thing, it's very fast when you have rows with the same renderer
  (same edje group could be applied).
 
  My personal items would be:
 
  12. keyboard shortcuts: ^c, ^v, ^x...
 
  13. enable easy open of efm at some folder, specially from cmdline...
  efm ~/my-folder would be handy.
 
  +1 ... and we also need a .desktop file for efm. A fast way to implement
  this is probably to setup a new e_remote option like
  enlightenemnt_remote --showfm
  than you can have an alias like efm and you can have your desktop file.
 
  Ok, I was trying to implement it when I got stuck with e_ipc stuff
  being all hardcoded... no dynamic extensions to
  enlightenment_remote... BUT I remembered that fileman registers its
  action and you can execute actions with remote:
 
  enlightenment_remote -exec-action fileman $PATH

 Just be careful no not have PATH set to a relative directory (E does
 not know where you were when you called the action), I'm using the
 following script:


 #!/bin/sh

 dir

Re: [E-devel] EFM: thoughts, current work et al.

[Toma]

2008/11/29 Viktor Kojouharov [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 00:13 +0100, Massimiliano Calamelli wrote:
 2008/11/28 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  14. Another request remembered by an user at #e: auto-mount and a way
  to force mount and unmount of devices. It is annoying to keep an efm
  window open just to be able to use the device with other apps. Using
  the advice name instead of a code/number as mount dir would be good
  as
  well, just see pmount-hal.
 
 
  This is exacly what the places module do..plus some more  :)
  Please have a look at it  (http://code.google.com/p/e17mods/wiki/Places)
  In my opinion we can remove some hal code from efm and use more the places
  module (maybe use it by default). This mainly for reducing efm complexity.
 
  Why don't you add places module in E's SVN? I dislike having to
  search for modules over the net... and I really forgot about places
  (actually could be named volumes, dunno?).
 

 We have exchange.e.org for that, people can add their modules into the
 showcase, and add info about where to get it.

 I still haven't figured out how to add themes to the showcase, let alone
 modules.

The typical user can not add a theme to the Showcase section. Only the
site admins can do that. If you do think a theme is worthy of the
Showcase, message the e-users list so people can debate it. Same goes
for removing themes from the showcase.

Toma


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Re: [E-devel] EFM: thoughts, current work et al.

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Progress bars: But not in a seperate window. Keep it on the EFM
overlay edje part.

Thats all Ive got atm...

Toma

2008/11/28 Chidambar 'ilLogict' Zinnoury [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Hello!

  I'm currently working on EFM, by trying to make operations atomic (for
 mount...).
  Work on EFM is always a big part of E's todo. But as I don't really
 use file managers, I don't really know:
 - what doesn't work like expected,
 - what features are missing,
 - what kind of killer-features only available to EFM you would want to
 see,
 - and so on...

  So, if you have anything to share, please send your thoughts. :)

  Cheers!

  Chidambar

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[E-devel] EWL / ETK theme from E17 theme.

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Hey folks,

With a new default theme in E17, its probably a good time to start
thinking about other ways to get themes from other themes. Theres the
obvious method of cramming an ETK and EWL theme into the E17 theme,
but that wont work for the default theme as we want a minimal install
base. Other desktops have the luxury of sharing the theme with the set
toolkit. Of course, if we drop it all down to a single edje theme, we
lose alot of that power, options and/or would probably make it a lot
harder to theme.

Im willing to put together a new EWL theme to match BW, but would
rather have a good think about it collectively before committing to
the effort.

Does anyone else have any ideas?

Toma

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Re: [E-devel] enlightenment-svn Digest, Vol 5, Issue 78

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2008/11/22 Nick Hughart [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:39:11 -0200
 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:09 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:01:30 +0900 Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  babbled:
 
  Sorry for the Digest reply, but dont we already have a toolbar? In
  fact line 15900 of default.edc has a toolbar section. So we have
  another toolbar now?
 
  toolbar FOR efm, and a toolbar widget - different :)

Well the efm toolbar should probably be renamed to e/fileman/toolbar
then, IMHO. I could give it a try, but I know I make a lot of people
nervous when I start commiting C code. :)

Toma


 btw, as others on IRC: I dislike the new config dialog.

 maybe if we reduce the number of categories and avoid scroll, it could
 work better. since it's very similar to macos, we could do like them
 and put a first screen to choose the category, so it's like:
 Configuration window:  Look, Apps, ...  as a grid or so, possible
 with descriptive texts as we see on macos, kde or vista.
 Look window: Wallpaper, theme... followed by the selected app
 dialog.

 maybe this will not match e17 way, so out of ideas.


 Another idea might be collapsible headers for each category.  Clicking
 on the header would then expand that category in the list.  In fact a
 generic collapsible widget could be useful in other places as well.

 Another idea would be to have a list of categories.  Once you pick a
 category, the contents of the list are replaced with that category with
 a button to go backwards.  This type of interface works on a
 touchscreen as well as a desktop.  Some examples of this type of
 interface is the iPhone Settings and to a lesser extent the Windows
 Control Panel (the new one with the categories and such, not the
 classic one).  Both provide a similar flow of category - items and
 include some way to go back.  So in this way I see it as serving both
 worlds and also has some track record of actually being useful for
 both.

 I like my first idea more though because it could potentially require
 less clicking at the expense of more scrolling.  But with kinetic
 scrolling and mouse wheels, scrolling isn't all that expensive to the
 user anymore.  The collapsible headers help with that anyway.

 In either case, I don't agree with less categories.  We could possibly
 trim a couple (menus could be merged with apps for example), but in the
 long run, we shouldn't limit the number of categories as to make them
 useless.  Especially with a modular design, who knows what categories
 will be created.  Have to be flexible with this.

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: raster trunk/THEMES/b_and_w

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Yes! Its handy to have the source stuff if making new icons based on
old ones! -toma

On 11/17/08, Christopher Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Do we Always have todo this ? ANNoYing ! :

 dh


 Enlightenment SVN wrote:
 Log:
   add a Desktop icon.


 Author:   raster
 Date: 2008-11-16 17:47:32 -0800 (Sun, 16 Nov 2008)
 New Revision: 37683

 Added:
   trunk/THEMES/b_and_w/desktop.svg

 Added: trunk/THEMES/b_and_w/desktop.svg


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Re: [E-devel] Theme related query...

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I think the cool thing about this, is the different structures of
themes that are possible. Depending on your development cycle and
methods, you can do things just the way you like. There are a few
different styles Ive used, obviously the blingbling style of files for
each widget, the 1 big file of bw, and the sections (about 5 or 6?)
files of edjy. I think a few other themes use a different style, but I
dont think the file hierarchy should be specified. If anything, the
formatting style should stay the same, the good ol 3 space tabs.

Good to hear youre back into the themeing :)
Toma

2008/11/11 nathan baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi all

 For the default setup within themes for DR16 Raster imposed a standard for
 the theme builders to follow. I was just wondering if this is going to be
 the same for dr17 as the blingbling theme and the b_and_w theme have very
 different layouts within the dir structure. Is one of these structures going
 to be the defacto standard (i'm hoping the blingbling as all the parts are
 in seperate files and IMO easier to manage).

 Would appreciate any feedback on this before I commit too much time ;)

 Regards

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Re: [E-devel] Release and documentation

[Toma]

Ive always been a proponent of more docs and have always tried to make
docs. Im down with it.

The 0th step is creating a roadmap of what needs more documentation,
what needs documentation revision, and how to organize all the
documentation. And instead of a 'team' as such, we could create a
system where you just add a short blurb about a certain function then
that gets added to a database... unless thats already possible?

It would be good to keep it all on a wiki type setup, preferably on
trac.enlightenment.org (at least for the roadmap) or on
wiki.enlightenment.org ... there is already LOADS of info on
wiki.e.org, but it might need some more organization.

Toma



2008/11/11 Amitav Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi

 I posted about this about a week ago. I am partly taking up that task.
 However, I will need a few more days to begin my work.

 Stephane Bauland wrote:
 Hi all,

 This morning i was reading a guay in #e, asking for some documentation
 around E itself. Maybe it could be great to create a team for
 documentation right now. And to provide a user documentation manual for
 the release ? Cause their's not enought documentation about e, or the
 one existing are a little bit outdated.

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Re: [E-devel] Theme/Wallpaper dialog suggestion

[Toma]

This has been fixed anyway!
Toma

2008/11/3 The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:46:23 +0800 Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 Howdee,
 Since these 2 dialogs are most probably the most used ones around, it
 would be a good idea to have them operate in mostly the same way.

 Heres the dialogs at smallest size.
 http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/e17-ui1.png

 The only issue really is the centre aligned buttons for Import and online.

 Here are the same dialogs sized bigger.
 http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/e17-ui2.png

 As you can see, the sizing in inconsistent, with wallpaper doing the better
 job.

 Here is a mockup of what they should do.
 http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/e17-ui3.png

 The preview widget gets resized, and the file list grows too. This way
 you get to see the long filenames and the preview in a bigger view.
 There might be some issues making the preview widget work properly
 with resize.

 yeah. dialogs need some love. i intend to give the wallpaper and theme dialogs
 a lot of love and re-org before release. for the moment - let's let the rough
 bits slide as it's going to get an overhaul :)


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: toma IN trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav: . images

[Toma]

Fixed. Sorry about that.

2008/10/30 Viktor Kojouharov [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 You are missing at least bt_base1.png on that commit

 On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 07:35 -0700, Enlightenment SVN wrote:
 Log:
   Themed to match the new E17 theme.
 Author:   toma
 Date: 2008-10-29 07:35:22 -0700 (Wed, 29 Oct 2008)
 New Revision: 37306

 Removed:
   trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/images/btn.png 
 trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/images/btn_disabled.png 
 trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/images/btn_down.png
 Modified:
   trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/Makefile.am 
 trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/e-module-efm_nav.edc 
 trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/images/back.png 
 trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/images/favorites.png 
 trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/images/forward.png 
 trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/images/refresh.png 
 trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/images/up.png

 Modified: trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/Makefile.am
 ===
 --- trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/Makefile.am 2008-10-29 14:18:29 UTC (rev 
 37305)
 +++ trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/Makefile.am 2008-10-29 14:35:22 UTC (rev 
 37306)
 @@ -15,12 +15,18 @@

  EXTRA_DIST = $(files_DATA) \
images/home.png \
 -  images/btn.png \
 -  images/btn_down.png \
 -  images/btn_disabled.png \
 +  images/bt_base1.png \
 +  images/bt_base2.png \
 +  images/bt_hilight.png \
 +  images/bt_shine.png \
 +  images/bt_dis_base.png \
 +  images/bt_dis_shine.png \
 +  images/bt_dis_hilight.png \
images/back.png \
images/forward.png \
images/up.png \
 +  images/favorites.png \
 +  images/refresh.png \
fonts/Vera.ttf

  %.edj:  %.edc

 Modified: trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/e-module-efm_nav.edc
 ===
 --- trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/e-module-efm_nav.edc2008-10-29 
 14:18:29 UTC (rev 37305)
 +++ trunk/E-MODULES-EXTRA/efm_nav/e-module-efm_nav.edc2008-10-29 
 14:35:22 UTC (rev 37306)
 @@ -13,74 +13,100 @@
 description \
   { \
  state: default 0.0; \
 -max: 24 24; \
 +max: 28 28; \
  aspect: 1.0 1.0; \
  aspect_preference: VERTICAL; \
  image \
{ \
 - normal: btn.png; \
 - border: 8 8 8 8; \
 + normal: bt_base2.png; \
 + border: 7 7 7 7; \
} \
   } \
 description \
   { \
  state: down 0.0; \
  inherit: default 0.0; \
 -image.normal: btn_down.png; \
 +image.normal: bt_base1.png; \
   } \
 description \
   { \
  state: disabled 0.0; \
  inherit: default 0.0; \
 -visible: 0; \
 +image.normal: bt_dis_base.png; \
 +image.border: 4 4 4 4; \
   } \
  } \
part \
  { \
 -   name: bg2; \
 +   name: img; \
 +   mouse_events: 0; \
 type: IMAGE; \
 +   description \
 + { \
 +state: default 0.0; \
 +max: 18 18; \
 +rel1 \
 +  { \
 + offset: 7 7; \
 + to: bg; \
 +  } \
 +rel2 \
 +  { \
 + offset: -8 -8; \
 + to: bg; \
 +  } \
 +image.normal: NAME.png; \
 + } \
 +} \
 +  part \
 +{ \
 +   name: fg1; \
 +   type: IMAGE; \
 mouse_events: 1; \
 repeat_events: 1; \
 description \
   { \
  state: default 0.0; \
 -visible: 0; \
  rel1.to: bg; \
  rel2.to: bg; \
 +rel2.relative: 1.0 0.5; \
  image \
{ \
 - normal: btn_disabled.png; \
 - border: 8 8 8 8; \
 + normal: bt_hilight.png; \
 + border: 7 7 7 0; \
} \
   } \
 description \
   { \
  state: disabled 0.0; \
  inherit: default 0.0; \
 -visible: 1; \
 +image.normal: bt_dis_hilight.png

Re: [E-devel] [RFC] Eina need to be renamed

[Toma]

2008/10/24 Jose Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I think the vote is over. The result from
 http://www.misterpoll.com/polls/362996/results collected the opinion
 of 52 people. So I will stick with this result (and staying with eina,
 is sadly not an opinion). So I am going to rename eina with enema next
 week.


 You're kidding, right? You do  know what enema means? I think raster
 presented that option out of frustration, and other people just voted on
 it for a quick laugh. Renaming a library to enema will potentially stop
 third-party (non oss) people from using it. Just like it's stopping the
 spreading of GIMP (you know, latex sex slave).



   I say go ahead and go with the result of the poll. It was presented as
 an option for the community to vote on. To be serious/responsible or not
 was their choice to make as well.



edata sounds good. Dunno why it wasnt on the vote list...

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Re: [E-devel] EFL in embedded devices... which devices?

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2008/10/10 Vincent Torri [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hey Sevcsik !

 I have a Nokia N82, and I'm motivated :) I don't have experience with the
 Symbian SDK yet, but later you can count with me.

 Of course I can test stuff any time.

 I've seen that we can use the gdi or open gl es. gdi can be slow. open gl
 es should be very easy to port as most of the gl code is here, so we need
 someone who implement it in evas. It should not be very difficult. Another
 solution would be to access the framebuffer.

 Then, you can begin by something easy. We can try the framebuffer. Create
 a small test program that do the following:

  * create a fullscreen window
  * set up the event loop or whatever it is, for keys and pen management
  * configure the window for framebuffer. In particular you should be able
 to know the size of the screen, the pitch and the start adress of the
 frame buffer. Maybe the depth of the screen too (certainly 16 bits 565)
  * create a function that display a rectangle at position (x,y) of size
 (w,h) with color c (16bits color in rgb 565). use that function in the
 main program to display:
   - a black rectangle at pos (0, 0), size the size of the screen, c = 0)
 to fill the screen in black
   - a red rectangle at pos (10, 10), size (50, 80) c = 0xe800)
  * When you click on the red rectangle with the pen, you exit the program

 Once you have that, you have almost the software engine for your nokia and
 expedite too.


On a side note, there is a port of SDL to s60 format, and of course, python.
http://koti.mbnet.fi/mertama/sdl.html
http://opensource.nokia.com/projects/pythonfors60/
Hope that covers a little ground work :)

Toma

 good luck !

 Vincent

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: illogict trunk/e/src/modules/conf_interaction

[Toma]

2008/10/7 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 2008/10/7 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Enlightenment SVN
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Log:
  Some work on interaction settings:
  - group on a thumbscroll framelist;
  - threshhold ?\226?\134?\146 threshold;
  - add check changed.


 that's awesome, I see people liked the check_changed, we should add
 this to other dialogs as well.

 something else I'd like to see is to move, where possible, layouts to
 edje with swallow parts, that way we can have special layouts in
 embedded systems like illume. Side effect is to simplify code a lot.
 What do you think?

 Nah. Its hard enough to write a theme as it is. No need to complicate
 the matter further :(. You could just make illume work like that tho,
 since it has its own little theme.

 Since raster added the option to inherit + override edje groups, we
 can keep this a a separate layouts.edc file. My points are:
   - it's easier to write an edje group with swallows where you want,
 it's more powerful to describe relationships and create good layouts,
 edje_editor is your friend as well. Just notice i say where
 possible, some elements are dynamic and Edje still does not support
 such dynamic layouts (vbox, with variable number of items);
   - themes may wish to change the layout, illume is one of them
 because it's meant for small touch screen, this might serve for set
 top boxes to be controlled with remote control.

 so why not? :-)


As long as it is entirely separate, and not required, then Id agree
that its a good option to have. The basic setup for layouts is rather
well set and thought out already, but i suppose it would be nice to
demonstrate that flexibility.

Toma


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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: illogict trunk/e/src/modules/conf_interaction

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2008/10/7 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Enlightenment SVN
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Log:
  Some work on interaction settings:
  - group on a thumbscroll framelist;
  - threshhold ?\226?\134?\146 threshold;
  - add check changed.


 that's awesome, I see people liked the check_changed, we should add
 this to other dialogs as well.

 something else I'd like to see is to move, where possible, layouts to
 edje with swallow parts, that way we can have special layouts in
 embedded systems like illume. Side effect is to simplify code a lot.
 What do you think?

Nah. Its hard enough to write a theme as it is. No need to complicate
the matter further :(. You could just make illume work like that tho,
since it has its own little theme.
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Re: [E-devel] R: Tooltip disable for edje_editor

[Toma]

They steal focus when entering text. Thats using the click to focus
settings in e17.
Toma

2008/9/27 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 - Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:

 Hello,

 as tooltips seem to be broken in Etk I created a little patch for
 edje_editor to disable tooltips.

 Witch problem do you get with tooltips?
 They work well here

 Dave


 Index: src/bin/edje_editor_window.c
 ===
 --- src/bin/edje_editor_window.c  (Revision 36225)
 +++ src/bin/edje_editor_window.c  (Arbeitskopie)
 @@ -48,7 +48,8 @@

 //Tooltips
 etk_tooltips_init();
 -   etk_tooltips_enable();
 +   //etk_tooltips_enable();
 +   etk_tooltips_disable();

 //Create the evas objects needed by the canvas (fakewin,
 handlers)
 canvas_prepare();

 May I commit this until tooltips in Etk are fixed again? Currently
 it's not
 really possible to work with edje_editor.

 regards
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[E-devel] New icons - style

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Hey all,
Just thought Id run this by the dev list before starting to make a
pile of icons. You might have noticed a few widget style icons coming
into svn lately, and the style they use. Feel free to open the SVG of
'widgets.svg.gz' in inkscape (its in THEMES/b_and_w/) and more
recently 'swap.svg.gz' in the same dir. For those of you with little
time/effort, heres a quick pixmap for 'swap' to inspect.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/swap.png

Anything wrong with those? Constructive criticism is needed!
Toma

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: raster trunk/e/data/themes/images

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Ah bugger! At least i added to the makefile.am :/ sorry! Wont happen again.

On 9/24/08, Christopher Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bad Toma !! No Cookie !! :P

 dh

 Enlightenment SVN wrote:
 Log:
   add a pager icon - toma! forgot to svn add!



 Author:   raster
 Date: 2008-09-24 00:19:38 -0700 (Wed, 24 Sep 2008)
 New Revision: 36202

 Added:
   trunk/e/data/themes/images/e17_icon_pager.png

 Added: trunk/e/data/themes/images/e17_icon_pager.png


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Re: [E-devel] R: E SVN: davemds trunk/web/www/p/index

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2008/9/22 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 - Enlightenment SVN [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:

 Author:   davemds
 Date: 2008-09-17 13:00:38 -0700 (Wed, 17 Sep 2008)
 New Revision: 36059

 Log:
   Ok on the main site the scripts works! but not on exchange :(
 Someone know how the update works?? please please...

 Exchange patch is on place now.

 mekius: did you fix the commit script? or someone has fixed exchange by hand?
 whitout passing from cvs?

I fixed it up, with iamsthithas help. Its working correctly, and also
running off the SVN server rather than the googlecode site. Anything
you commit to the SVN will work now.
Toma


 if the commit script is ok now, I will fix some other small issue I noticed

 Dave



 Modified:
   trunk/web/www/p/index/en-body

 Modified: trunk/web/www/p/index/en-body
 ===
 --- trunk/web/www/p/index/en-body 2008-09-17 19:56:58 UTC (rev 36058)
 +++ trunk/web/www/p/index/en-body 2008-09-17 20:00:38 UTC (rev 36059)
 @@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
   tr
td class='main'
 div class=main
 -h3What is Enlightenment ?/h3
 +h3What is Enlightenment?/h3
  p
   Enlightenment is a window manager. Enlightenment is a desktop
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[E-devel] Interface guidelines

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Hey all,
Im looking at some of the icons and their buttons and meaning at the
moment. There seems to be a bit of inconsistency in the button names
and functions. Especially from some of the older modules.
One example Im looking at now, is the use of 'enlightenment/new' and
'enlightenment/add' icons, on their respective New and Add
buttons. Im more inclined to scrap Add and replace it with New,
since the Add button in ibar actually pops up a dialog that asks for
a 'new source'.

So anyway, I was just wondering if there is any sort of guidelines to
this sort of thing? Id be happy to Change button names and icons used
while im doing this icon framework.

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[E-devel] Theme/Wallpaper dialog suggestion

[Toma]

Howdee,
Since these 2 dialogs are most probably the most used ones around, it
would be a good idea to have them operate in mostly the same way.

Heres the dialogs at smallest size.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/e17-ui1.png

The only issue really is the centre aligned buttons for Import and online.

Here are the same dialogs sized bigger.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/e17-ui2.png

As you can see, the sizing in inconsistent, with wallpaper doing the better job.

Here is a mockup of what they should do.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/e17-ui3.png

The preview widget gets resized, and the file list grows too. This way
you get to see the long filenames and the preview in a bigger view.
There might be some issues making the preview widget work properly
with resize.
Toma

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[E-devel] Fwd: Comments on Tray Icon spec improvements

[Toma]

Hey all.
Thought this would be quite relevant for us to chime in on, regarding
the systray.
Its happening now on the xdg mailing lists, so if you feel like
jumping into the discussion, sign up and copy the subject.
Toma


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From: Owen Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2008/9/12
Subject: Comments on Tray Icon spec improvements
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Andreas Cimitan asked me to review the changes in:

 http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xdg/2007-March/007866.html

To help move forward getting them actually implemented. The specific
interest was in section two about visuals, but I'll review both parts.

With the proposed improvement in section 1), care would have to be taken
and specified to avoid visual artifacts where the icon first appears
with wrong size and then with the right. Specifically you'd have to
specify the following:

 If a client uses the tray-specific orientation hint:

 - Before sending the SYSTEM_TRAY_REQUEST_DOCK, the status icon must
  set the XEMBED_MAPPED flag in the _XEMBED_INFO structure to 0 so
  that it will not be mapped immediately on embedding.

 - On receipt of the XEMBED_EMBEDDED_NOTIFY, the tray icon should
  examine the _NET_SYSTEM_TRAY_ORIENTATION property of the embedder
  window, adjust its WMNormalHints accordingly. and then set the
  XEMBED_MAPPED flag.

To me, docking icons in multiple different panels of different
orientations is moving away from handling tray icons to more general
applets. I don't think this creep is a good idea, so, considering the
complexity of maintaining backwards compatibility (as documented in
Ryan's proposal), and the complexity above, my instinct is that this
change should not be added.

The basic idea of the visual change is sound. I would recommend that
instead of setting the visual of the manager window to match that of the
dock, that a simpler approach of simply setting the visual ID in a
property on the manager window should be taken.

Question:
 Should this a Colormap ID rather than a visual ID?

Proposed answer: Colormaps are an unnecessary complexity these day:
 everybody uses TrueColor. Maybe specify that the visual must be
 TrueColor, or must be the visual of the default colormap of the
 screen, in which case the default colormap will be used.

 c) If the server receives a dock request and discovers that the child
 window (which it has the XID of as part of the dock request) has the
 incorrect visual then it mitigates this problem by destroying and
 rerealizing its socket to receive the child into using the correct
 visual.  This is fallback behaviour to support clients that don't yet
 follow the convention outlined here.

This is basically correct, except that socket isn't even a term used
in the XEMBED spec, and the tray icon spec doesn't say anything about
when the socket is created and destroyed. I think this, when formalized
into spec language is something like:

 Before reparenting the tray icon window into a XEMBED embedder window,
 the tray icon application must query the visual of the tray icon window
 and use an embeder window with that visual, even if that visual differs
 from that specified in the manager window property.

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Re: [E-devel] Copying bugs from Bugzilla to Trac

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Nice one! Im going to jump into the fray in a sec and send a few across.
I threw this out last night to get anyone willing to lend a hand with
a few bugs.
http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/blog

Toma

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 I decide to dedicate a piece of my time to move(copy) bugs from
 bugzilla to trac, as requested.
 There's someone more privileged than me that could fill the component
 list on trac for missing entries?

 Thx

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Re: [E-devel] E SVN: toma trunk/THEMES/b_and_w

[Toma]

2008/9/9 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:

 Author:   toma
 Date: 2008-09-09 07:12:31 -0700 (Tue, 09 Sep 2008)
 New Revision: 35894

 Modified:
   trunk/THEMES/b_and_w/theme.edc
 Log:

 ibar and ibox sort of in. requires gadman stuff to complete. also
 going in, is a repeat_events to make the pager drag work.


 Hi toma!
 I suggest you to wait a week for the gadman stuff, as i will probably change 
 it slightly

 Dave


With pleasure! No rush at all. */me wanders off to the beach*
Toma


 Modified: trunk/THEMES/b_and_w/theme.edc
 ===
 --- trunk/THEMES/b_and_w/theme.edc2008-09-09 12:37:56 UTC (rev
 35893)
 +++ trunk/THEMES/b_and_w/theme.edc2008-09-09 14:12:31 UTC (rev
 35894)
 @@ -1,22 +1,19 @@
  // TODO: Items that need some revision
  //
  // textblock (done - review)
 -// transition (done - review) - Could possibly have some day light
 and moon light photos.
  // battery popup (done - review - see 'code' for notes)
  // fileman (list mode)
  // desklock (done - review - see 'code' for notes)
  // exebuf (done - review)
 +// ibar - ibox (Merged with alias... see FIXME for bugs. Requires
 gadman graphics to finish)
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[E-devel] Textblock and Module.desktop changes

[Toma]

Hmm

titleBlah/titleDescription something something

Will equate to
---
Blah
Description something something


Meaning that the title cant be on the same line. Someone might like
to use that in a text block somewhere.

For instance,

Blah - A simple description


So if there are no objections, ill start fixing it all up some day soon.
Toma

2008/9/1 Dave Andreoli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Yes, you are right! But I didn't understand if we need to put a br after 
 the title.
 Dave
 - Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:

 Hey all,
 Looking at the module.desktop files, I see a common mislabel of the
 title as a highlight. Heres an example...

 Comment=hilightThe E17 File Manager/hilightbrbrE17's
 integrated file manager.brhilightUnder Construction!/hilight

 Here we have the hilight used for the module title AND the part of
 the
 text that needs a hilight. The result is nasty. Im fixing up the
 'Title' tag for the text block by removing the '/n /n' from the
 /title.

 So the correct usage would be ...
 Comment=titleThe E17 File Manager/titlebrE17's integrated file
 manager.brhilightUnder Construction!/hilight
 Leaving the result in the following image.
 http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/textblock.png

 The hilight colours will probably change and the idea of adding an
 'urgent=' style is considered. It will be used for things like
 battery
 popup or other warnings (eg. Dont run First Run Wizard).
 Ill happily go through and change all the module.desktop.in files to
 used this method if everyone is pleased.
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Re: [E-devel] Enlightenment.org redesign mockups needed!

[Toma]

Here was my idea.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/e-website.png
Needs more links and content and better icons, but the basic idea is
there. It basically follows the 3 Big Stupid Buttunz design
philosophy of other projects like OpenSuse and so on. Of course, the
content pages could be much different. What about a mashup of that
idea with mekius's? I like his site a lot.

Toma.


2008/9/1 Ian C. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 hello, I know we have been talking about redesigning enlightenment.org to be
 more user friendly for quite awhile, I'd really like to see this done soon.
 We've finally moved from cvs to svn and to the latest version of trac. We've
 already come to the agreement that the current design is not usable so no
 reason to debate it further. I also know that a lot of you're are skilled in
 web design, web development as well as artistic. This is a way for those of
 you who may know how to code in php  but not C to contribute to the project.
 So here's what we're looking for. We'll divide this into a few phases. First
 off I'd like to see some mockups of what you guys think the new
 enlightenment.org should look like.  Basically what we are looking for a
 very nice, simple clean site. The problems that we currently have with the
 current site is that it is a mess, most the content is scattered and not all
 needed on the website, some of it just plain belongs in the wiki. The main
 things need to stand out more (bugs, exchange, svn, wiki, and so on. A
 user should be able to visit a site and be able to find what he needs
 easily. The current sites submenus are very confusing and not necessary, use
 the content to provide the links. So lets see what you guys can bring to the
 table and we'll fine tune it and decide which one we think is best suited
 for enlightenments needs. Also please note this is only the mockup phase,
 we're not going to debate cms's etc at this point.
 thanks, We look forward to seeing your submissions.
 --Inc

 P.S so far the only mockup we've recieved is mekius's which can be found  @
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[E-devel] Textblock and Module.desktop changes

[Toma]

Hey all,
Looking at the module.desktop files, I see a common mislabel of the
title as a highlight. Heres an example...

Comment=hilightThe E17 File Manager/hilightbrbrE17's
integrated file manager.brhilightUnder Construction!/hilight

Here we have the hilight used for the module title AND the part of the
text that needs a hilight. The result is nasty. Im fixing up the
'Title' tag for the text block by removing the '/n /n' from the
/title.

So the correct usage would be ...
Comment=titleThe E17 File Manager/titlebrE17's integrated file
manager.brhilightUnder Construction!/hilight
Leaving the result in the following image.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/textblock.png

The hilight colours will probably change and the idea of adding an
'urgent=' style is considered. It will be used for things like battery
popup or other warnings (eg. Dont run First Run Wizard).
Ill happily go through and change all the module.desktop.in files to
used this method if everyone is pleased.
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[E-devel] Gradients are gone.

[Toma]

I think the most recent patches for gradients have totally destroyed
all gradients in E. Poor lil Edjy is ruined and so is the Gradient
wallpaper selector and all the things associated with that.

Toma

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Re: [E-devel] exchange library is growing

[Toma]

Great work Massimiliano! :)

Toma

2008/8/23 Massimiliano Calamelli [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi all, i'm very happy to say that exchange library is now a little usable.
 For those who don't know what is exchange, this library is the client
 side of exchange.enlightenment.org , providing a set of API to
 interact with the server.

 This library now provide:
 * a CLI interface (exchange_cli), for shell scripting
 * a set of API, for new applications

 Here's a cutpaste for the CLI:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ exchange_cli
 Usage:
  exchange_cli -local_theme_name theme file
  exchange_cli -local_theme_author theme file
  exchange_cli -local_theme_version theme file
  exchange_cli -local_theme_license theme file
  exchange_cli -local_theme_check_update theme file
  exchange_cli -remote_theme_id theme name
  exchange_cli -remote_theme_author theme name
  exchange_cli -remote_theme_license theme name
  exchange_cli -remote_theme_version theme name
  exchange_cli -remote_theme_description theme name
  exchange_cli -remote_theme_url theme name
  exchange_cli -remote_theme_thumbmnail theme name
  exchange_cli -remote_theme_screenshot theme name
  exchange_cli -remote_theme_user_id theme name
  exchange_cli -remote_theme_created_at theme name
  exchange_cli -remote_theme_updated_at theme name
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

 Here's a cutpaste for the API:

 // startup/shutdown functions
 EAPI int  exchange_init(void);
 EAPI int  exchange_shutdown(void);

 // local themes functions
 EAPI char *exchange_local_theme_name_get(const char *file);
 EAPI char *exchange_local_theme_author_get(const char *file);
 EAPI char *exchange_local_theme_license_get(const char *file);
 EAPI char *exchange_local_theme_version_get(const char *file);
 EAPI int  exchange_local_theme_check_update(const char *file);

 // remote themes functions
 EAPI int  exchange_remote_theme_id_get(const char *theme_name);
 EAPI char *exchange_remote_theme_author_get(const char *theme_name);
 EAPI char *exchange_remote_theme_license_get(const char *theme_name);
 EAPI char *exchange_remote_theme_version_get(const char *theme_name);
 EAPI char *exchange_remote_theme_description_get(const char *theme_name);
 EAPI char *exchange_remote_theme_url_get(const char *theme_name);
 EAPI char *exchange_remote_theme_thumbnail_get(const char *theme_name);
 EAPI char *exchange_remote_theme_screenshot_get(const char *theme_name);
 EAPI int  exchange_remote_theme_user_id_get(const char *theme_name);
 EAPI char *exchange_remote_theme_created_get(const char *theme_name);
 EAPI char *exchange_remote_theme_updated_get(const char *theme_name);

 I know that there's a lot of work that must be done to complete the
 library, but it is usable, uses autofoo, builds without error and
 seems (my tests) don't have leaks or segv.
 Atm the best use is to check for updates for a theme by the CLI (real 
 example):

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ exchange_cli -remote_theme_version Cerium
 Theme: Cerium, version: 1.1
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ exchange_cli -local_theme_version 
 ~/.e/e/themes/cerium.edj
 Theme: /home/massi/.e/e/themes/cerium.edj, version: 1.0
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ exchange_cli -local_theme_check_update 
 ~/.e/e/themes/cerium.edj
 Theme: /home/massi/.e/e/themes/cerium.edj, update available: YES!

 Next steps:
 * creating a new function that returns a list of all data related to
 remote theme
 * complete, for local theme, same work on remote theme (get all data
 one by one / list)
 * add Doxy
 * then follow the guidelines indicated in a thread on e-devel

 The code can be found here:
 http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=summary

 Here's the feed, to get updates (i'll mail on lists ony for VERY big changes):
 RSS - http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=rss
 ATOM - http://staff.get-e.org/?p=users/mcalamelli/exchange.git;a=atom

 Feel free to test, use and abuse, and maybe merge in proto... :)

 Ciao

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[E-devel] Docs.enlightenment.org is broken

[Toma]

Subject says it all. The html code is gone, but the pdf versions are
still around. I suspect its from the cvs/svn move.  I spoken to mekius
about it and he thinks there will be a script somewhere but doesnt
know where it would be. Anyone know much about this?
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Re: [E-devel] e processor usage (100%) after an enlightenment_remote -restart

[Toma]

Turn off forecasts, moon, screenshot, calendar, efm_nav, efm_path,
mem, and itask-ng. Then see if one of those are culprit. Im going to
place my hypothetical bet on forecasts.

e_modules is the directory of e17 modules in CVS. Theyre all hosted
but not completely updated stable... iirc.

Toma


2008/8/10 Jorge Mariani [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Attaching result of enlightenment_remote -module-list  module-list.txt

 What is e_modules?

 On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 9:17 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:15:33 -0500 Jorge Mariani [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:

 got any modules that are not part of e17 (anything from e_modules for
 example)?

  Nope.
 
  Happens with your new theme, for example.
 
 
  On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 8:08 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 15:18:35 -0500 Jorge Mariani 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   babbled:
  
Hi.
   
When issuing the follwing commands
   
enlightenment_remote -theme-set theme ~/.e/e/themes/theme.edj
enlightenment_remote -restart
   
e, goes to 80% (sometimes 100%) of processor usage and then, slowly
 goes
back to 20%-30%. Slowly means within 5 minutes.
   
Any ideas or, somebody knows another way to set a theme from the
 command
line and then make e use it?
  
   does the theme have an animated background?
  
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[E-devel] New theme

[Toma]

Hi all,
Now, I know raster is working on a new theme, and I know a lot of
people already love it, but its so far a lot of the same in terms of
whats already out there. (Please dont debate that on this thread!) And
I applaud him for keeping to the norm and keeping it simple, but EFL
is far more powerful than whats already in there. Im thinking about a
theme that does still keep a semi-traditional edge, but really pushes
the boundaries of UI, 'beautiful'-ness and originality.

Here are some simple rules.
1. Dont copy Mac. -Apple already done it.
2. Dont copy Vista. -It sucks. :)
3. Dont copy KDE4. -KDE already done it.
4. (Should I even mention gnome?) -Sarcasm.
5. Make sure its entirely usable by people. Half-wits dont generally
wander too far from gnome. :)
6. Make the user say Oh my. Thats something E17 can do? Im in love.
7. K. I. S. S. (Keep It Simple, Stupid!)

Youre probably wondering, thats all good and fine, but this means
nothing without screenshots.
So, Im asking you all for some input. Just some simple ideas, be it
for a check box, a window button, a slider, a background... whatever.
If you have any screenshots, or like the way some other theme already
does something, throw that in there too. But remember, Originality
is going to be key to this design experiment. I also would like to see
this come as a separate theme thats installed as default to show some
contrast in E design between rasters new one and this other that
hopefully we all make.

Lets make E kick ass all over the place!
Toma.

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Re: [E-devel] New theme

[Toma]

A big factor in any theme is its colour palette. Here are a couple that I like.

http://www.colourlovers.com/palette/292482/Terra
Kind of standardish...

http://www.colourlovers.com/palette/482774/dream_magnet
With this one it might be an idea to use some red highlights in some
things or even little splashes of red against the dark blues.

In addition to all those, a splash of black and white is something
that might be needed. Any more ideas on that?

Toma



On 08/08/2008, Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi all,
 Now, I know raster is working on a new theme, and I know a lot of
 people already love it, but its so far a lot of the same in terms of
 whats already out there. (Please dont debate that on this thread!) And
 I applaud him for keeping to the norm and keeping it simple, but EFL
 is far more powerful than whats already in there. Im thinking about a
 theme that does still keep a semi-traditional edge, but really pushes
 the boundaries of UI, 'beautiful'-ness and originality.

 Here are some simple rules.
 1. Dont copy Mac. -Apple already done it.
 2. Dont copy Vista. -It sucks. :)
 3. Dont copy KDE4. -KDE already done it.
 4. (Should I even mention gnome?) -Sarcasm.
 5. Make sure its entirely usable by people. Half-wits dont generally
 wander too far from gnome. :)
 6. Make the user say Oh my. Thats something E17 can do? Im in love.
 7. K. I. S. S. (Keep It Simple, Stupid!)

 Youre probably wondering, thats all good and fine, but this means
 nothing without screenshots.
 So, Im asking you all for some input. Just some simple ideas, be it
 for a check box, a window button, a slider, a background... whatever.
 If you have any screenshots, or like the way some other theme already
 does something, throw that in there too. But remember, Originality
 is going to be key to this design experiment. I also would like to see
 this come as a separate theme thats installed as default to show some
 contrast in E design between rasters new one and this other that
 hopefully we all make.

 Lets make E kick ass all over the place!
 Toma.


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Re: [E-devel] New theme

[Toma]

On 09/08/2008, Zachary Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 11:57 PM, Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  A big factor in any theme is its colour palette. Here are a couple that I 
  like.
 
  http://www.colourlovers.com/palette/292482/Terra
  Kind of standardish...
 
  http://www.colourlovers.com/palette/482774/dream_magnet
  With this one it might be an idea to use some red highlights in some
  things or even little splashes of red against the dark blues.
 
  In addition to all those, a splash of black and white is something
  that might be needed. Any more ideas on that?
 
  Toma
 
 
 
  On 08/08/2008, Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi all,
  Now, I know raster is working on a new theme, and I know a lot of
  people already love it, but its so far a lot of the same in terms of
  whats already out there. (Please dont debate that on this thread!) And
  I applaud him for keeping to the norm and keeping it simple, but EFL
  is far more powerful than whats already in there. Im thinking about a
  theme that does still keep a semi-traditional edge, but really pushes
  the boundaries of UI, 'beautiful'-ness and originality.
 
  Here are some simple rules.
  1. Dont copy Mac. -Apple already done it.
  2. Dont copy Vista. -It sucks. :)
  3. Dont copy KDE4. -KDE already done it.
  4. (Should I even mention gnome?) -Sarcasm.
  5. Make sure its entirely usable by people. Half-wits dont generally
  wander too far from gnome. :)
  6. Make the user say Oh my. Thats something E17 can do? Im in love.
  7. K. I. S. S. (Keep It Simple, Stupid!)
 
  Youre probably wondering, thats all good and fine, but this means
  nothing without screenshots.
  So, Im asking you all for some input. Just some simple ideas, be it
  for a check box, a window button, a slider, a background... whatever.
  If you have any screenshots, or like the way some other theme already
  does something, throw that in there too. But remember, Originality
  is going to be key to this design experiment. I also would like to see
  this come as a separate theme thats installed as default to show some
  contrast in E design between rasters new one and this other that
  hopefully we all make.
 
  Lets make E kick ass all over the place!
  Toma.
 
 
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 Can I put in a request for mouse sensitive (hover)
 minimize/maximize/close buttons?


Absolutely. On that note, the animated ones Sthitha used in chrome
have always been an awesome way to convey the message of what the
buttons action is. (I even used them in Grunge for the blood splat
buttons) We could always keep the conventional images - O X and
animate those to show what they do aswell.

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Re: [E-devel] Community Building - LoCos

[Toma]

Ive put together a couple ideas on a wiki entry. Its all concept stuff
at the moment so the sourceforge mailing list doesnt work. I think it
could be a great way to get small teams to collaborate on projects and
then promote E and their own country.

eg. Emulate - EFL based MAME emulator - proudly bought to you by AU-E team!
Of course, this doesnt exist yet but its an example of a place that a
team could show their colours. Personally, Id put a little 'Au-E' in
all my theme about pages to show my patriotism. :)

If anyone has any other ideas, Id like to hear them. Feel free to
add/subtract to the wiki page.
Toma

http://wiki.enlightenment.org/index.php/E_Community_Teams


On 03/08/2008, Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 As mentioned on the Community Building thread, the idea for LoCos
 (Local Community) groups seems like a good way for people to feel
 involved and even get together for a beer or 3. It seems to work well
 for projects like Ubuntu so I thought Id start by showing the link on
 how their LoCos are built and maintained.

 http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto

 It basically consists of a mailing list and an IRC channel. Now, an
 IRC channel might be a bit much for some, but a mailing list where
 people can ask their fellow LoCo members for help or just chat about
 things in regards to E or linux in general.

 I even made a little logo for an Australian team. :) Obviously up for
 debate, but its a little badge people can put in their
 apps/themes/blogs to show where theyre from and promote E and their
 own LoCo team.
 http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/Au-E.png

 So, if anyone thinks this is a good idea, or thinks the idea will fall
 flat on it arse, please comment. If it does seem like a bit of fun,
 Ill write a wiki on how to make an E LoCo and how to join one.
 Toma.


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Re: [E-devel] Licensing suggestion [OFFTOPIC]

[Toma]

On 07/08/2008, David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:41:15 +0800 Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  As long as you retain this notice you can do whatever you want with
  this stuff. If you wish to use this in a commercial product, you must
  supply the AUTHOR or AUTHORS with 1 case of beer each.
  Which is probably a little closer to a GPL type of Beerware license.

 Er, I don't like beer, and gave up drinking alcohol along time ago.


You could change the clause of the license to be 'reasonably priced
dinner or lunch' I guess?
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Re: [E-devel] [e-users] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

[Toma]

I'd like to see a new forum. The current one is pretty lame :(
Perhaps something a little more standard or as folks like to say, Better.
:)

Toma

2008/8/5 Ian Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 whoops messed up on the link it's
 http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs30/i/2008/126/3/0/Inkscape_Site_develfront_by_duckgoesoink.png

 On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 04/08/2008, Ian Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  absolutely and I believe in redoing the navigation would involve redoing
  the
  site. If anyone would like to share any other mock ups other than mekius
  go
  ahead. I personally like simple site designs like this:
 
  http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs30/i/2008/126/3/0/Inkscape_Site_develfront_by_duckgoesoink.png(flame
  me if you want)
  minus the fact that I think the inkscape in brief section should be
  just a
  wider news section and take the little news box off the side. but I like
  designs like that because they list all the links to the different web
  software. Songbird does this on their site too but their site is a
  little too busy http://getsongbird.com/
  just my thoughts
 

 I like the Inkscape mockup. Looks professional and has all the content
 at a place thats very easy to see. The icons help too for those that
 dont know english and cant be bothered switching to their language
 translation. Songbird one give me the idea of using some cool ajax for
 the icons. Since EFL and all can do cool animations, maybe something
 neat like that could make its way into the website?

 Toma

  On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 9:06 PM, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
 
  
   On 3-Aug-08, at 10:07 PM, Nick Hughart wrote:
  
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:33:34 -0500 Nick Hughart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
   
   
Ian Caldwell wrote:
   
Yup, I'd like to eliminate submenus completely One navigation on
all pages
that has links to pretty much everything.  The goal of the new
site is make
it a lot more usable. With regularly updated news, and a lot of
static
content around it.
   
   
This is bad design imo, it leads to overload.  Having to dig
through a
ton of links to find the one you want is crazy, it's best to be
able to
filter towards your goal IMO.  Much easier to filter then to try
and
find a link among many that sounds like what you want.  This is
how my
brain works anyway.
   
   
we don't need some new navigation system... we need to simplify
content, only
put up what we absolutely need on the e.org brochure site (it's
meant to be a
simple couple of pages brochure/flier like set of pages with just
the minimum
needed to find out what e is, who is involved, how/where to get
it).
   
the other bits (trac/bugzilla, wiki, docs etc. etc.) are what is
intended for
large-scale documentation and info - and those (the wiki
especially) is READILY
accessible to people to edit.
   
   
Yes, I realize this, most of the links in the submenus will just
point
to the wiki/tracker/etc.  But people found it hard to even find
these
things on the current site.  So it would be nice to point them to
where
they need to look instead of them having to decode links that don't
necessarily match anything they are looking for.  So the changes to
navigation are nothing stellar, just reorganizing the menu and
making
the submenu a little more visible so people immediately see things
to
click on.  At least this is what I did with my mockup, haven't seen
anyone else come forward with anything yet.
   
  
   I'm with Mekius. The number one complaint that I get about the website
   is that the navigation sucks. If we can do something to make it easier
   for people to find stuff then it's a win.
  
   dan
  
  
  
  
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[E-devel] Licensing suggestion [OFFTOPIC]

[Toma]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beerware

To those unfamiliar with it

/*
 * 
 * THE BEER-WARE LICENSE (Revision 42):
 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote this file. As long as you retain this notice you
 * can do whatever you want with this stuff. If we meet some day, and you think
 * this stuff is worth it, you can buy me a beer in return Poul-Henning Kamp
 * 
 */

Its basically a modification on BSD. I think with all the gratitude
towards whats already been done with EFL and friends in CVS (soon to
be SVN), I think a lot of the contributors could reach the infamous
'Ballmer Peak' [1], which could then push E17 closer to a release.
Otherwise, we could modify it to something along these lines.

As long as you retain this notice you can do whatever you want with
this stuff. If you wish to use this in a commercial product, you must
supply the AUTHOR or AUTHORS with 1 case of beer each.
Which is probably a little closer to a GPL type of Beerware license.

I await your replies.
Toma

[1] http://xkcd.com/323/

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Re: [E-devel] [e-users] [website] What would you like to see on the new site?

[Toma]

On 04/08/2008, Ian Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 absolutely and I believe in redoing the navigation would involve redoing the
 site. If anyone would like to share any other mock ups other than mekius go
 ahead. I personally like simple site designs like this:
 http://fc06.deviantart.com/fs30/i/2008/126/3/0/Inkscape_Site_develfront_by_duckgoesoink.png(flame
 me if you want)
 minus the fact that I think the inkscape in brief section should be just a
 wider news section and take the little news box off the side. but I like
 designs like that because they list all the links to the different web
 software. Songbird does this on their site too but their site is a
 little too busy http://getsongbird.com/
 just my thoughts


I like the Inkscape mockup. Looks professional and has all the content
at a place thats very easy to see. The icons help too for those that
dont know english and cant be bothered switching to their language
translation. Songbird one give me the idea of using some cool ajax for
the icons. Since EFL and all can do cool animations, maybe something
neat like that could make its way into the website?

Toma

 On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 9:06 PM, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  On 3-Aug-08, at 10:07 PM, Nick Hughart wrote:
 
   Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
   On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:33:34 -0500 Nick Hughart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   babbled:
  
  
   Ian Caldwell wrote:
  
   Yup, I'd like to eliminate submenus completely One navigation on
   all pages
   that has links to pretty much everything.  The goal of the new
   site is make
   it a lot more usable. With regularly updated news, and a lot of
   static
   content around it.
  
  
   This is bad design imo, it leads to overload.  Having to dig
   through a
   ton of links to find the one you want is crazy, it's best to be
   able to
   filter towards your goal IMO.  Much easier to filter then to try and
   find a link among many that sounds like what you want.  This is
   how my
   brain works anyway.
  
  
   we don't need some new navigation system... we need to simplify
   content, only
   put up what we absolutely need on the e.org brochure site (it's
   meant to be a
   simple couple of pages brochure/flier like set of pages with just
   the minimum
   needed to find out what e is, who is involved, how/where to get it).
  
   the other bits (trac/bugzilla, wiki, docs etc. etc.) are what is
   intended for
   large-scale documentation and info - and those (the wiki
   especially) is READILY
   accessible to people to edit.
  
  
   Yes, I realize this, most of the links in the submenus will just point
   to the wiki/tracker/etc.  But people found it hard to even find these
   things on the current site.  So it would be nice to point them to
   where
   they need to look instead of them having to decode links that don't
   necessarily match anything they are looking for.  So the changes to
   navigation are nothing stellar, just reorganizing the menu and making
   the submenu a little more visible so people immediately see things to
   click on.  At least this is what I did with my mockup, haven't seen
   anyone else come forward with anything yet.
  
 
  I'm with Mekius. The number one complaint that I get about the website
  is that the navigation sucks. If we can do something to make it easier
  for people to find stuff then it's a win.
 
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Re: [E-devel] [ANN] QEdje 0.1

[Toma]

:O WOW!
You guys rock my socks off! Does this mean we can get an Edje QT
engine in the near future?

Toma

2008/8/5 Eduardo Fleury [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Cool, any change of geting a GEdje (GTK)? I mean, to use with Gambas,
 for example?

 Hi. Our focus today is extending and optimizing QEdje (Qt) so
 currently there're no plans to develop something as a GEdje.

 Best regards,
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Re: [E-devel] [ANN] QEdje 0.1

[Toma]

2008/8/5 Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 :O WOW!
 You guys rock my socks off! Does this mean we can get an Edje QT
 engine in the near future?


I mean an engine to make KDE themes with... I might have to take a
stab at some KDE themes.

Toma

 Toma

 2008/8/5 Eduardo Fleury [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Cool, any change of geting a GEdje (GTK)? I mean, to use with Gambas,
 for example?

 Hi. Our focus today is extending and optimizing QEdje (Qt) so
 currently there're no plans to develop something as a GEdje.

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[E-devel] Community Building - LoCos

[Toma]

As mentioned on the Community Building thread, the idea for LoCos
(Local Community) groups seems like a good way for people to feel
involved and even get together for a beer or 3. It seems to work well
for projects like Ubuntu so I thought Id start by showing the link on
how their LoCos are built and maintained.

http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto

It basically consists of a mailing list and an IRC channel. Now, an
IRC channel might be a bit much for some, but a mailing list where
people can ask their fellow LoCo members for help or just chat about
things in regards to E or linux in general.

I even made a little logo for an Australian team. :) Obviously up for
debate, but its a little badge people can put in their
apps/themes/blogs to show where theyre from and promote E and their
own LoCo team.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/Au-E.png

So, if anyone thinks this is a good idea, or thinks the idea will fall
flat on it arse, please comment. If it does seem like a bit of fun,
Ill write a wiki on how to make an E LoCo and how to join one.
Toma.

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Re: [E-devel] Weird crash...

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2008/8/2 Fedor Gusev [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Did you use FM in any way before the crash? If so, can you describe
 your actions? Even if they were taken like hours before the crash.


Well, the initial crash happened when opening a movie in smplayer.
Generally it flashes a black screen before starting the video. Thats
using 'xv' video output.  Next it crashed just before the video
actually loaded. This sent E into the 'white box of death' seg fault
screen. After restarting the theme went back to default straight away.
Finding this odd, I opened the theme selector (which of course has an
instance of efm in it)... it took forever to load so I ran 'ps aux' to
see if something else was chewing up all my CPU. I then had the
results you see below. I did not click anything in theme selector.

The odd thing is that wasnt actually 'removing' as the e_fm_op might
suggest, unless it first copied the files to the random character
directory then proceeded to delete the files.

So thats how it went down. If any more details are needed, let me know.
Toma


 On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was just about to watch a movie when bam, E17 crashed and took
 itself out. Now thats ok, Im kind of cool with that, but it started
 using more CPU than normal. So I busted open a xterm and ran 'ps aux'
 to find this...

 toma 13572 81.8  0.4  10492  2556 ?Rs   20:26   1:13
 /usr/local/bin/enlightenment_fm_op rm /home/toma/.e/e/themes
 toma 13587  0.0  0.6  11052  3296 ?Ss   20:27   0:00
 /usr/local/bin/enlightenment_fm
 toma 13590  0.0  0.1   2644  1004 pts/1R+   20:28   0:00 ps aux

 Note the top command saying e_fm_op is removing all my themes. ALL. Of
 my freaking themes. Stuff I dont have backed up and thought I'd never
 need to back up. It even removed a couple folders in there that were
 not even themes.
 Why would E do this?
 Toma

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Re: [E-devel] [e-users] [website] cms?

[Toma]

While drunk at the moment (yet again) i think i would contribute to
any user controlled content as would a lot of people. (while not drunk
of course.) People semi-excited about the project would like to show
their support too. And thats the great thing about OSS I believe that
the community gets a say no matter what they do FOR the community!
Maybe its a dream, but its what i hope for.
Toma.

On 8/3/08, dan sinclair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We've tried this about 3 times. Someone comes along and says if we
 have a CMS non-technical people will write articles. We implement a
 CMS. No-one writes articles. We drop the CMS.

 If you want to write news releases put them on blogs. Or write a news
 blurb for the front page. If longer articles are put into the wiki
 other people can fix the formatting and the wiki syntax later.

 dan


 On 2-Aug-08, at 1:36 PM, Sthithaprajna Garapaty wrote:

 All good points, and I definitely agree that having a flat access
 structure is very nice.
 Perhaps we can keep it even if we use a CMS? Worth looking into.

 But, here are some arguments FOR a CMS:

 1. We except articles to be written not by devs, but by users. I.E.
 People who are not technical enough to fiddle with CVS, or even HTML.
 They are good at writing and they can use a word processor. We
 shouldn't create a barrier of entry for these people.

 2. It automatically provides all the things a website needs. Many of
 which are lacking in the current site.
 For example: Search, RSS feeds for posts, flexible templates  styles,
 wysiwyg editors  previews, taxonomy.
 Additionally a few CMSes also provide modules for integrating our
 other systems (wiki, bugs, etc) into the site.

 3. Module support. Most big CMSes have support for modules. This
 means, they have a large library of 3rd party modules already, and its
 relatively easy to whip up our own.
 This means we can integrate all our other systems into the main e.org
 website. We could put the latest wiki articles on the front page, or
 the highest rated themes from exchange, or the latest CVS commits.
 Of course, we could write all of these things ourselves and stick 'em
 into CVS, but having a nice module api definitely helps speed up
 development. And some of these modules already exist.

 As far as the wiki being the place for articles, it definitely is the
 place for how-tos and tutorials, but its no place for news articles,
 articles on new features (wikis have a very poor sense of time) and
 articles that just show off EFL  E.


 On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 2:47 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 00:18:23 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 babbled:

 i agree here. i like our fairly flat (and lax) access structure. if
 we trust
 you to go writing bits of e.org's website - we trust you to write
 code - if
 that is your skill, or to just know to keep your hands off what you
 aren't good
 at. people make mistakes and if someone who was given access in
 order to do www
 goes and starts screwing with code so it breaks - a few reprimands
 on the
 mailing lists should cure that really fast, and if it doesn't -
 access to cvs
 can be removed (and will be) as if we can't trust them - why keep
 access to www?

 i like our own and flat trust structure. it's simple. it works as
 we are not a
 massive organisation. it allows or fluid movement and help wherever
 it is
 needed quickly. it shows we have faith in our fellow humans :)

 On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 5:27 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 so eventually went back to an old original method. www lives in
 cvs - u
 want to work on it, u get cvs access. committing means it auto-
 updates. if
 u need to test the php locally setting up a local apache and mod-
 php, allow
 symlinks outside of the www doc dir to point to your homedir's
 cvs checkout
 of the www site, worsk just fine. it's simple and works. the php
 is also
 very simple. the main www site is meant to be simple and
 relatively static
 - the wiki, and other sites (trac, bugzilla etc.) are where the
 dynamic
 stuff happens...

 There is another advantage to keeping the site in CVS: you avoid
 segmenting the community into artificial sub-communities, or
 trying to
 place technical barriers around social structures. There is a flat
 hierarchy of trust, either you've earned it enough to get access or
 you haven't. There is no temptation to give people access to the
 website since it's only the website, and anyone with CVS access
 should know how interact within the project.

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Re: [E-devel] Community Building

[Toma]

As crazy as it might seem, id like to hear from mekius and devilhorns
about how easy and useful embryo was to them in regards to them in
various projects in cvs. As an e17 themer, it hasnt proven much use to
me, but i consider myself further to the edje when it comes to embryo
and edje talk!
Toma

On 8/3/08, Viktor Kojouharov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 04:32 +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:03:41 +0200 Andreas Volz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 babbled:

  I vote to use LUA for scripting too. I've embedded it into several
  commercial products in the past. It was each time a really good choose.
  It's easy to understand, small and I think most important has a really
  big community.

 i respect the idea of looking at javascript for example - but it's quite a
 sring of reports of using lua - in just the way it'd be used in edje that
 make
 me go this looks just like the right thing. the question is ... do we
 keep
 embryo? do we keep it and mark it as here for compatiblity, BUT will be
 removed in a future release, so please port your scripts to lua. thanks
 and
 then wait a while, and then remove... or ... can we remove now and just
 cause
 the pain? how much is embryo really used?


 imho, it both lua and javascript are good choices for this. Though I
 haven't used lua personally, I only hear good things about it, and the
 syntax is very C-ish. As far as js is concerned, there's probably a lot
 more people familiar with it (including me) than lua. And js is not just
 a dom language. As far as integration is concerned, I know that lua is
 quite easy to integrate, thought I think that integrating JavascriptCore
 from webkit will not be too difficult either (judging by reports of
 integrating it in gtk).

 But couldn't we support more than one language (and thus also preserve
 embryo, if there are people that need it)? Something like how IE is able
 to use both js and vscript in html.


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[E-devel] Weird crash...

[Toma]

I was just about to watch a movie when bam, E17 crashed and took
itself out. Now thats ok, Im kind of cool with that, but it started
using more CPU than normal. So I busted open a xterm and ran 'ps aux'
to find this...

toma 13572 81.8  0.4  10492  2556 ?Rs   20:26   1:13
/usr/local/bin/enlightenment_fm_op rm /home/toma/.e/e/themes
toma 13587  0.0  0.6  11052  3296 ?Ss   20:27   0:00
/usr/local/bin/enlightenment_fm
toma 13590  0.0  0.1   2644  1004 pts/1R+   20:28   0:00 ps aux

Note the top command saying e_fm_op is removing all my themes. ALL. Of
my freaking themes. Stuff I dont have backed up and thought I'd never
need to back up. It even removed a couple folders in there that were
not even themes.
Why would E do this?
Toma

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Re: [E-devel] Weird crash...

[Toma]

Well I dont know what the hell is going on, but the themes were backed
up into my home dir with a bunch of weird characters as the folder
name.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~haste/e17/scared-toma.png

Needless to say, why would it do that? Ive got gdb open and ready if
it happens again.

Toma

2008/8/1 Toma [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I was just about to watch a movie when bam, E17 crashed and took
 itself out. Now thats ok, Im kind of cool with that, but it started
 using more CPU than normal. So I busted open a xterm and ran 'ps aux'
 to find this...

 toma 13572 81.8  0.4  10492  2556 ?Rs   20:26   1:13
 /usr/local/bin/enlightenment_fm_op rm /home/toma/.e/e/themes
 toma 13587  0.0  0.6  11052  3296 ?Ss   20:27   0:00
 /usr/local/bin/enlightenment_fm
 toma 13590  0.0  0.1   2644  1004 pts/1R+   20:28   0:00 ps aux

 Note the top command saying e_fm_op is removing all my themes. ALL. Of
 my freaking themes. Stuff I dont have backed up and thought I'd never
 need to back up. It even removed a couple folders in there that were
 not even themes.
 Why would E do this?
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Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

[Toma]

Does embryo have any use without edje? If not, why not wait till edje
is ready for release and send them out together?
Toma

2008/8/2 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi guys,

 As we're discussing on lots of threads, it would be good, if not
 necessary, to release parts of E that we think are in good shape. This
 will help in many fronts, including easy of use since distros will
 start to package it officially. After Eet, I'd like to see Embryo
 release since it's mature and almost no changes in last months, making
 a perfect candidate.

 I know there was some desire to mix Lua somehow, maybe as replacement
 or extension, but I really thing that should be postponed because it
 might even not happen at all.

 Do you see any blocker to this release? If there is any blocker we
 have until August 15th to fix it, otherwise we can release it this
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Re: [E-devel] RFC: embryo release in 2 weeks

[Toma]

As someone with no scripting or coding experience, I found embryo to
be quite easy to get a handle on. I havent tried learning all those
other ones, but when it comes to all the different code stuff in Edje,
you really have to keep it as simple as possible. After all, edje is a
canvas for art really, and doesnt need to be anymore complex. Ive
never found any limitations in embryo (we all remember that spacegame
thing) and I imagine if anyone wanted to do more they would just work
that into the evas/c code rather than the edje theme.

Toma

2008/8/2 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Jose Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Gustavo wrote:

 Since Edje is target at designers (ie: colors are not premul, etc), I
 think we should go with JS since most designers know it somehow, even
 if they don't really know, they think they do and they will not be
 afraid of trying it... Also, many systems use it as scripting
 language, comes to mind Photoshop, Qt-based applications and it's the
 official language of KDE for exactly that reason. I remember INdT
 designers hacking some Photoshop scripts just because they knew bits
 of JS from web development.

 Lua is good, yes, but I think that going with a more widespread
 language is the way to go.


 Indeed. Javascript has enourmous widespread use on the web, very well
 knonwn
 to designers, very close to flash's actionscript, and runtimes for it are
 becoming
 faster. It should be a verious consideration.

 Another pros:
   - familiar, C-like syntax;
   - OO support

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Re: [E-devel] Community Building - release

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On 31/07/2008, Jose Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   I wrote:
  ...
   As to the above mentioned steps.. I disagree with some of the 
  arguments,
  but they are also not unreasonable - so long as everyone realizes that 
  the state
  of many things in E is still rather basic and are willing to 'break' apis 
  on
  major releases when they bring good improvements.. E is still small 
  enough that
  it can be fluid if it wants to.
 
   But, one very important thing to consider here is: What exactly is 
  it that
  E wants to achieve? What are the basic 'large' goals?
 
 
 
  Thats a funny one, because a lot of people say Oh, E17 isnt as good
  as Gnome... or KDE when its not completely a desktop environmant like
  those 2. It has a lot of the mechanics of a full DE and being so
  modular, could fill the things needed to become a full DE from that
  point. (And then you ask, whats the difference between what E17 is now
  and a full DE?!? I dont know. Ask wikipedia or something.) If it was
  competeing souly against WMs like fluxbox and friends, then thats
  already done and kicking ass.
 
  If anything, it might be an idea to ask people, what 'needs' to be
  done? I see a few people on IRC and on forums saying, E17 is good,
  but its just not finished/has bits missing. Some lusers go as far to
  say Err E17 is buggy and not stable! Waa simply becuase there isnt a
  1.0 release.
 
  Toma
 
 
 
 
   I'm not sure I follow some of this. There are many different things 
  that
  E could do or become, it's not just a question of what the 
  wm/desktop-shell
  could do/be, or even what a desktop environment of some sort could do/be.
   There are questions of development 'platforms', what they might be 
  geared
  to develop, what they might emphasize, and such... and there are questions 
  of
  what kinds of apps or further libs or frameworks people might want to build
  beyond that, to create some sort of coherent 'environment(s)' and such.
   If you're going to ask people, then it depends who these people are
  and what kind of audience they are: end-users of apps? end-users of desktop
  environments/shells/whatnot? theme designers (of what)? developers of apps?
  rich app developers? etc.
 
 
 

  Forgot to mention a few other relevant ones: developers of web 
 apis/services?
 developers of gfx/canvas libs? developers of gui toolkits? ...

  My questions were directed at the audience consisting of all E 
 developers. :)



Yes... I mean ask the general random normal desktop users that wander
into #e on freenode and ask those kind of questions. After all, theyre
the ones that want to use E17. I think developers tend to think like
developers and dont tend to see the importance of mundane little
things that the average Joe likes/wants. Thats why companies employ
market researchers to see whats needed and wanted. Im not saying E
needs anyone dedicated to market research, but its something to keep
in mind. Personally, I made a couple black themes then people said
You should try making a light theme, so I made Edjy and Cerium.
Thats an exmaple of listening to the 'market'.

Having said that, I see alot of enthusiasm on random tech forums for
EFL and you could see the reaction on the aMSN forums when you
compared EFL directly to EFL. People scrambled to get EFL installed
and were really impressed by how it looked. The biggest problem
everyone had (including myself) was building the libraries needed, and
I dare say would have been a lot easier if there was a packages
release of EFL-Python and all its deps.

So maybe a more steady snapshot schedule and perhaps a couple days of
*Bug Extermination* before those snapshots so developers and users a
like can access it all a little easier?

Toma

   If all that's really wanted is a wm/shell kind of thing, then you've 
  got it.
  It's pretty good - could be better, etc. - but it's there.
 
   If some want 'development platforms' then what kinds? And which 
  apis/models
  are best suited to build whatever with? Which can be attractive to 
  certain areas
  more than others, etc.
 
   If some want to also build environments/whatnot on top of those 
  platforms,
  then what apps/libs do you need for short, mid, long term growth?
 
   What are relevant models out there in open, partly-open, not-so-open 
  worlds,
  that could be used for comparison?
 
 
 

 
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