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On 8/25/21 7:34 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
How much do you pay when you charge away from home?
Here is an account of a recent trip from central Texas to Pike's Peak
using SuperChargers and one destination charge station.
https://wmckemie.blogspot.com/2021/08/pikes-peak.html
Three
On 8/25/21 7:34 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
How much do you pay when you charge away from home?
Addressed to me? I have free lifetime SuperCharging on both my current
Teslas. I briefly had a Model 3 which did not have free SuperCharging.
Average cost was around $5 for around 100
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How much do you pay when you charge away from home?
- Mark
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> On Aug 25, 2021, at 10:09 AM, Willie via EV wrote:
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> On 8/25/21 11:10 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
...by Electrify America, they said that they charge 31¢/kWh.
>> I have seen
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> While the Volt won't be able to support more than approx 1kw,
> that's enough to support my critical loads (fridge, freezer, .
> minisplit heat pump) plus a few lights, etc.
Turns out the DC/DC converter in the VOlt is over 200 amps at
12 volts so it can support almost 2 kW. Compared to the
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>> A couple years after that my 'grandfathered' status runs out and I'll be
>> switched to their new
>> 'solar customer' rates, at that point it will cost me over $800 a year just
>> for the privilege of
>> being connected to the grid. iI figure it will be cheaper to buy some used
>> EV
I doubt you'll be able to buy the recalled bolt batteries. Too much
liability to the sellers if one of them causes a fire.
Jay
On 8/25/21 2:19 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
With the recall of over 100,000 BOLT batteries to be replaced,
There will be a HUGE source. But I assume that they
On 8/25/21 4:06 PM, Alan Brinkman via EV wrote:
Hello EVDL,
The draw of Hydrogen is that using it produces H2O, water. What a great
exhaust product. But the energy to separate Hydrogen out of H2O to produce
it is too great. It is better to use that energy to charge batteries and
drive an EV.
On 8/25/21 3:57 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:
Do they price differently in different markets? Or does this have to do with
price of gasoline?
I think it is not tied to either local electric rates or gasoline/diesel
prices. I believe the Tesla price is a nation wide target. In some
Do they price differently in different markets? Or does this have to do with
price of gasoline?
- Mark
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> On Aug 25, 2021, at 12:30 PM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote:
>
> Hi folks
> I’m charging along the least coast with the Tesla 28c per kWh and the Bolt
>
On 8/25/21 1:30 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:
You both get great deals. My electric coop only pays their "avoided costs" for
any surplus electricity (trued up annually), currently that is less than 3 cents per kwh
(2.6 the last time I checked).
OTOH I'm still collecting on the PBI we
With the recall of over 100,000 BOLT batteries to be replaced,
There will be a HUGE source. But I assume that they will
all be bulk sold to utilities who (hopefully) will apply them
to grid-leveling in support of renewables!
Bob
On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 1:30 PM Peter VanDerWal via EV
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>
>> OOps, forgot. My home solar makes the EV charging free...
>> (Well, no, with Grid tie it costs me 14 cents per kWh
>> because that is what each kW is worth that I push back
>> into the grid so using it to charge an EV is 14cents/kWh lost).
>
> Your utility seems to be giving you a GREAT deal.
On 8/25/21 12:42 PM, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote:
All Teslas sold before 2017 come with lifetime free supercharging, model S and
X come with lifetime free supercharging. , model 3 and Y come with 1 year of
free supercharging. Destination charger (level 2) are almost always free.
VW comes
> produce. Even at only $.06, I think my payback period is in the range
> of 6-8 years.
Sure beats the 100 year payback offered by savings banks at 1% interest.
I never liked the "payback" term for solar. I say it is from day one when
one stopped consuming fossil fueled utility power.
Bob
On 8/25/21 11:10 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
...by Electrify America, they said that they charge 31¢/kWh.
I have seen rates as low as 3 cents per kW
for EV charging off-peak for those that sign up for a TOU plan
(includes much higher peak rates)
"Hydrogen Fool cell" is a reasonable
> You are definitely in great shape for at-home charging. Hopefully that is
> usually sufficient for
> you.
We bought the Chevy Volt in 2017 and the Chevy Bolt in 2019.
I have never paid to charge the Volt, mostly it gets charged at home but
occasionally it gets charged using one of the
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>> ...by Electrify America, they said that they charge 31¢/kWh.
I have seen rates as low as 3 cents per kW
for EV charging off-peak for those that sign up for a TOU plan
(includes much higher peak rates)
"Hydrogen Fool cell" is a reasonable moniker.
Wont this thread ever die?
OOps, forgot. My
On 25 Aug 2021 at 6:54, jim--- via EV wrote:
> within a mile or two of my house there are at least a half dozen
> publicly available charging stations.
That's what's great about EVs.
Almost every commercial building has enough electrical capacity to install
at least a level 2 (~10kW)
I don’t know.
- Mark
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> On Aug 25, 2021, at 2:39 AM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote:
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> Where and who is building them ?
>
>> On Wed, Aug 25, 2021 at 3:30 AM Mark Abramowitz via EV
>> wrote:
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>> One other update on subsidies for stations - some new
- See my note about the capacity of fueling stations being built today. Your
number is no longer correct.
- the needed infrastructure ratio makes me neither happy nor unhappy. They
just are what they are, but you need to adjust comparisons based on that, as
you have done (I’m not commenting
Mark Abramowitz said in small part:
> Granted, because of the limited infrastructure currently, those consumers in
> the US for
> whom it would work fine is very small. In California, much less so.
Guess again. You keep talking about how much infrastructure there is in
California - and the
ns much longer, I would expect to see and increase
> in the price of Hydrogen.
> >>> At this point most EV charging stations are being paid for by private
> companies that expect to make a profit, which is why it costs so much to
> charge.
> >>>
> >>> The cost o
>
> In regard to your question “ How is comparing the number of stations that are
> ACTUALLY open not an
> "apples to apples" comparison?” - If you are trying to compare how many
> vehicles you have the
> capacity to serve, there is not a one to one match. A hydrogen fueling “spot”
> can
One other update on subsidies for stations - some new stations are being built
*without* state funding.
- Mark
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> On Aug 24, 2021, at 11:11 PM, Mark Abramowitz wrote:
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> Let me give you sources for the exact numbers for up to date data, rather
> than
Let me give you sources for the exact numbers for up to date data, rather than
rely on my memory.
On station cost and the % amount that the subsidy has dropped, you can either
go to the CEC website, and look at the latest funding awards, or you can look
at a summary put together by the
You are definitely in great shape for at-home charging. Hopefully that is
usually sufficient for you.
On the hydrogen side, the $16.50 price was correct in 2019. The price is NOT
subsidized by California. With the newer stations and greater competition they
are starting to come down and will
Ok - we disagree about the date to use. I was just using CARB’s analysis and
the dates they pick. But it really doesn’t matter.
On number of stations, you repeat exactly what I said, that the 2020 numbers
are a projection. It had to be, 2020 wasn’t over. But everything prior was an
actual
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