Re: [EVDL] oil shorting/attacking Tesla, Rickard’s evtv: ... Tesla conspiracy

2019-08-19 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Despite the headline, the article doesn’t say that that Big Oil is funding the shorts. It says that when you look at who is shorting, you will see significant investments in oil. That’s not a surprise. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 19, 2019, at 8:48 AM, paul dove

Re: [EVDL] The Tesla conspiracy

2019-08-19 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
ip has a better understanding, and gets their updates up close and > personal. SpaceX can say, "leave us alone right now we are busy," whereas > Tesla has to follow the rules for publicly traded companies. With the SEC > as the watchdog. > > -Mike > > On Mon,

Re: [EVDL] The Tesla conspiracy

2019-08-19 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
was more going on, and that you are correct. >>> >>> But for now, I’ll stick with the L.A. Times version of the events. >>> >>> >>> >>> - Mark >>> >>> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug

Re: [EVDL] The Tesla conspiracy

2019-08-19 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
e >> >>> On Aug 19, 2019, at 4:48 AM, paul dove wrote: >>> >> >> I believe you got it backwards. >> >> California was never on the list so they were going to lower environmental >> rules to lure Tesla back. >> https://www.greencarreports.c

Re: [EVDL] The Tesla conspiracy

2019-08-19 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
What evidence of this is there? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 19, 2019, at 3:48 AM, paul dove via EV wrote: > > The SEC were put up to charging Elon with manipulating the market to hide the > fact that the oil companies are shorting his stock. Don’t you remember he >

Re: [EVDL] The Tesla conspiracy

2019-08-19 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
19, 2019, at 4:48 AM, paul dove wrote: >> > > I believe you got it backwards. > > California was never on the list so they were going to lower environmental > rules to lure Tesla back. > https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1093814_tesla-gigafactory-ca-could-waive-environmental-

Re: [EVDL] The Tesla conspiracy

2019-08-19 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
backwards. > > California was never on the list so they were going to lower environmental > rules to lure Tesla back. > https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1093814_tesla-gigafactory-ca-could-waive-environmental-rules-to-get-it-report > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug

Re: [EVDL] The Tesla conspiracy

2019-08-19 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
The reason they ship it is because either they planned poorly with not enough time for environmental review in California, or they didn’t want to fully disclose the environmental impacts of the plant. Either way, when they tried and failed to get the legislature to exempt them from

[EVDL] Germany's Nextmove cancels Tesla order, citing quality issues

2019-08-16 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Germany's Nextmove cancels Tesla order, citing quality issues Reuters - 10:23 AM ET 8/16/2019 Top News FRANKFURT, Aug 16(Reuters) - German car rental firm Nextmove has cancelled the bulk of a 100-vehicle order from Tesla worth 5 million euros ($5.54 million) over quality problems with the

Re: [EVDL] $3K-Tesla-Conquest incentive Only4 Tesla owners> (LOL-marketing)

2019-08-14 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
The only weird thing I see is that the range number has asterisks and there's no number for the Tesla. Otherwise it look like a typical marketing comparison. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 14, 2019, at 6:17 AM, paul dove wrote: > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >>

Re: [EVDL] Hyundai releases solar roof vehicle.

2019-08-06 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
This seems to be a step farther than the Fisker. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Aug 6, 2019, at 2:49 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > Baby steps. Lawrence Rhodes > https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/05/hyundai-launches-car-with-a-roof-based-solar-charging-system.html >

Re: [EVDL] (JDPower survey debunked)> results don't apply to Tesla sales ... paid4-koch-kool-aid

2019-08-05 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I think you’re right. I found the information positive, taken in context. To me, it confirms my view that EVs are past the tipping point, all things being equal. I’d also point out that the main topic of the survey seemed to be about self-driving vehicles. Somewhat related, the FBI has warned

Re: [EVDL] EV Charging Signs - Pro EV outreach (and AMAZON)

2019-07-29 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Are you speculating that there will be receptacles in the cell they will put you in? ;-) - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jul 29, 2019, at 7:54 PM, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote: > > Maybe I'll have a few made up and post them myself - "guerrilla style" - near >

Re: [EVDL] EV Charging Signs - Pro EV outreach (and AMAZON)

2019-07-29 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I still think that your welcoming sign about the OUTLET is the perfect one for that purpose. I agree that people may not want to pay for it. That being said, I think that there is a greater than 50/50 chance that some agency/agencies/organizations would be willing to fund production of these

Re: [EVDL] EV Charging Signs - Pro EV outreach

2019-07-26 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
For that purpose, personally I find Robert’s far superior than those at the Amazon links. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jul 26, 2019, at 12:33 PM, Rod Hower via EV wrote: > > They have a bunch of signs on Amazon, >

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Before Tesla was the tzero> an Alpha EV (v)

2019-07-22 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Your post partially agrees and partially disagrees with a note I received from Abas Goodarzi: “I am the one that took the analog design using dual motor from AeroVironment and made the single motor with digital control. AeroVironment hated my guts and Delco Remy and Delco Electronics

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Before Tesla was the tzero> an Alpha EV (v)

2019-07-22 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
More specific info straight from the horse’s mouth: “I was the design engineer for powertrain 12 hours a day, hard core engineering, including doing the actual tests, since there was no spec written yet. Even at USH I am hand's on with project/system/control/components engineering. My core

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Before Tesla was the tzero> an Alpha EV (v)

2019-07-22 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I *know* him, and he is both an engineer and a manager (actually a CEO now). - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jul 22, 2019, at 7:45 AM, paul dove via EV wrote: > > I googled him. Looks to me like he is a manager not a design engineer. > > On Monday, July 22, 2019, 8:32:13

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Before Tesla was the tzero> an Alpha EV (v)

2019-07-22 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I believe that Abas Goodarzi was responsible for the development of the electric drivetrain for the EV1. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jul 21, 2019, at 4:50 PM, paul dove via EV wrote: > > Actually, the GM EV1 was first and Alan Cocconi designed it as well. He did > it

Re: [EVDL] Stop subsidizing gasoline and polution

2019-07-19 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Good letter. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jul 19, 2019, at 10:14 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV > wrote: > > There was an editorial in the Baltimore sun written by the “Gasoline > Distributors Association” condemning subsidies for EV’s. Three days > later, they published

[EVDL] Lotus Unleashes 1,972-HP Evija

2019-07-18 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Yes, I want one - and you probably will, too. https://www.wardsauto.com/technology/lotus-unleashes-1972-hp-evija?NL=WAW-04=WAW-04_20190718_WAW-04_898=42=article_3_rid=CPENT10958516_campaign=21619_medium=email=8f2b9f089ba742368537bee19adc8805_source=25618 Lotus Unleashes 1,972-HP Evija The

Re: [EVDL] Solar off grid with an EV? (DC AC/heatpumps and waterheating)

2019-07-18 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Is solar thermal water heating *still* more efficient? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jul 17, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV > wrote: > > Inefficent yes, but hooking up 2 wires is a lot easier than building one out > of copper, plywood, glass and paint. With

Re: [EVDL] Old skateboard chassis idea: ... startup.il reinvents the wheel ...

2019-07-12 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
And what are the advantages? I don’t know, but it sounds like we’re only getting half the story. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jul 11, 2019, at 6:40 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > % Way back around 2002 GM touted the skateboard chassis idea: > > Forgotten Concept:

Re: [EVDL] Folding E-Scooter - Too Good to be TRUE ?

2019-07-10 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
My guess is that the pictures were taken in Florida. This was an unsuccessful Kickstarter project in 2017 - perhaps he found funding elsewhere. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jul 10, 2019, at 9:48 AM, John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > > On Wed Jul 10 08:56:25 PDT 2019

Re: [EVDL] Quirky Spark EV charging phantom discharging

2019-06-28 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Have you tried contacting them? If they are not helpful, let me know. I think I may know one of the execs there. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:09 PM, Mike Beem via EV wrote: > > I am interested in this Mark, because of the last portion regarding DC >

Re: [EVDL] Lets discourage hydrogen advocates.

2019-06-25 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Since you end with a flurry of inaccurate and personal attacks, I’ll start there. First of all, the three fuel cell cars in my family run on less fossil fuel than most BEV drivers on this list. (If you always charge your car with 100% solar energy, congratulations, you are cleaner than me -

[EVDL] BEV sales since 2012

2019-06-03 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Very cool video showing BEV sales since 2012. https://twitter.com/mintotsai/status/1131929301723566080?s=21 - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:

Re: [EVDL] BYD's(style.cn) inflated range ratings bite them in the arse

2019-05-29 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
It’s not about whether or not the range is lower at lower temperatures, or what you get in your car, but the accuracy of the claims being made by vendors of zero emission technologies, and the commitments they make to customers. BYD has some *great* products and is run by sone great folks, but

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Chevron-pr is pro-EV secret con-EV campaign> forked-tongue

2019-05-29 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
My favorite line: “Ironically, I bet this is the same failed tactic that a desperate horse and buggy lobbyist once used to try and scare the public against gas automobiles.” - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 28, 2019, at 10:50 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > >

Re: [EVDL] EPRI TVA VW electric bus

2019-05-26 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Not that I understood it all, but your two posts are my “Posts of the Year” nominees. Just awesome... Keep posting. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 25, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote: > > Glad you found it informative. > > These motors are frequently

Re: [EVDL] Road Trips: plugin vs EV cost per mile

2019-05-22 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
It’s almost always cheaper to pollute. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 22, 2019, at 7:06 AM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > > Hi folks > It seems that it's cheaper for taking long road trips to buy a Prius Prime vs > a pricier Tesla or Bolt with a 60kwh battery pack and

Re: [EVDL] e-nv300: ... tell Nissan you want e-NV200 4sale in N.America 800-647-7261 opt7

2019-05-18 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
A rep’s comment from 2014 is hardly evidence in 2019 that would make such a criticism fair. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 17, 2019, at 6:57 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > % In 2014, at the Silicon Valley NDEW EVent, nissan had an e-nv200 EV on > display >

Re: [EVDL] Formally complain to Nissan If you want an e-NV200 in North America.

2019-05-17 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Your link was on the Nissan USA site, and as a concept car. What makes you think that nothing like this will be available in the USA? I saw nothing in the text to indicate this. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 18, 2019, at 4:40 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > >

Re: [EVDL] Convert Eerie Creepy Disappearing Gas Stations2: public EVSE Availability

2019-05-06 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Eventually the market will settle down, consolidation in the industry will occur, and someone will address the problem. It’s a high quality problem. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On May 6, 2019, at 12:27 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > David sez > ... you end up with a

Re: [EVDL] tesla to close stores, sell online only

2019-03-11 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Honda. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Mar 11, 2019, at 3:57 AM, paul dove wrote: > > So what brand of EV do you drive? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 10, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Mark Abramowitz via E

Re: [EVDL] tesla to close stores, sell online only

2019-03-10 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
ot, I still like to > control my vehicle and it was kind of strange giving the vehicle control, I'm > not a fan yet. > > On ‎Sunday‎, ‎March‎ ‎10‎, ‎2019‎ ‎08‎:‎09‎:‎40‎ ‎PM‎ ‎EDT, Mark Abramowitz > via EV wrote: > > > Well, I won’t argue with someone who thinks that a

Re: [EVDL] tesla to close stores, sell online only

2019-03-10 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Well, I won’t argue with someone who thinks that a product has “almost no competition”, though I disagree. But even among the Tesla’s, there is competition. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Mar 10, 2019, at 9:08 AM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 3/10/19 9:40 AM, Mark

Re: [EVDL] tesla to close stores, sell online only

2019-03-10 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I agree that we won’t miss car dealers if they go away, as least if the experience is as it is now. We call the gathering of salespeople waiting for you to get out of your car, the “sharks”. And there’s always one swimming out to get you. I was amused when the Honda fleet person that I’ve

Re: [EVDL] tesla to close stores, sell online only

2019-03-10 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
lie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 3/9/19 2:12 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> I think that Musk was smoking something. >> Personally, I would NEVER buy a car without driving it (or at least sit in) >> first. The only exception would be for brand new clean tec

Re: [EVDL] tesla to close stores, sell online only

2019-03-09 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I think that Musk was smoking something. Personally, I would NEVER buy a car without driving it (or at least sit in) first. The only exception would be for brand new clean technology vehicles that I *knew* I wanted - think EV1, RAV-4 EV, Civic GX, Tesla Roadster, Toyota Mirai, Honda Clarity,

Re: [EVDL] (more): EVfire: 2wheel EV.cn Suddenly Bursts Into Flames (v)

2019-02-17 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Submerge? http://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/foundry/image/?q=70=1920=https%3A%2F%2Ftimedotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2019%2F01%2Fsunken-ferrari-1.jpg%3Fquality%3D85 - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 16, 2019, at 6:50 PM, paul dove via EV wrote: > > Mitsubishi says to

Re: [EVDL] EVfire: 2wheel EV.cn Suddenly Bursts Into Flames (v)

2019-02-15 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
There are apps specifically for first responders dealing with alt fueled vehicles. I had one on my phone for awhile, not because I’m a first responder, but because I dealt a lot with alt fueled vehicles and was interested in whether there were adequate information sources. - Mark Sent from

Re: [EVDL] étron.fr = POS : Turds

2019-02-04 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Hilarious. Thanks for this. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Feb 4, 2019, at 10:40 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > [ref > http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Re-Turds-tp4692766.html > Mark sez> ... thanks for all the great articles you do pass

Re: [EVDL] Patty's Motor Car (1911 EV)

2019-01-29 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Back then, EVs were considered suitable for women, as they didn’t require turned the crank to start the IC engine. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jan 29, 2019, at 12:07 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV > wrote: > > I read it on the train. Here is my one page book report on

Re: [EVDL] Patty's Motor Car (1911 EV)

2019-01-26 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
At one time, most cars were EVs. I don’t remember the exact dates when that changed, but a good history can be found in Edwin Black’s “Internal Combustion.” - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jan 26, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV > wrote: > > My wife and daughter

Re: [EVDL] (use del key, block brucedp email address, 4unwanted posts) EVcrash: ...

2019-01-25 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
m the future. One could measure trends and see the > sociological process to EV acceptance. I think Bruce is doing a fantastic job. > > Peri > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" &

Re: [EVDL] (use del key, block brucedp email address, 4unwanted posts) EVcrash: ...

2019-01-25 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I really hope that you won’t get defensive, but take the comments as constructive suggestions. As you yourself point out, these crashes now seem to be nothing more than some idiot doing something stupid. The value of those posts no longer exists. I personally find many of your posts

Re: [EVDL] (more) EVcrash: Speeding-teen split Tesla-X in-half Rindge-NH

2019-01-25 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Thank you for saying something. We get a lot of good stories, many that I pass on to others, but recently we’ve been getting these “dog bites man” stories. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jan 24, 2019, at 8:46 PM, Rush Dougherty via EV wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm tired of

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM boosts Bolt production> (after killing-off Sonic ice)

2019-01-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I agree. But compared to the Bolt, it’s low, even if it’s the same, if that makes sense. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jan 23, 2019, at 4:49 AM, paul dove via EV wrote: > > It’s not low sales it’s dropping sales. They went from over 5,000 a month to > 2000 a month in

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: GM boosts Bolt production> (after killing-off Sonic ice)

2019-01-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
That’s because it’s a piddling amount for a mass market production vehicle. Success for something new, and just being introduced is measured differently. And remember, this is only it’s first year. Also, the market is changing away from these kinds of cars. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Peterbilt 148kWh 220EV Medium-Duty e-Truck r:100mi (v)

2019-01-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Exactly - they are integrators. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jan 23, 2019, at 4:55 AM, paul dove wrote: > > http://www.transpowerusa.com/battery-options/ > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 22, 2019, at 11:10 PM, Mark Abramowitz via E

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Peterbilt 148kWh 220EV Medium-Duty e-Truck r:100mi (v)

2019-01-22 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
This is incorrect. I am very familiar with TransPower and they do not manufacture batteries. They are a systems integrator. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:06 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > The 220EV uses two TransPower batteries totaling 148 > kW

Re: [EVDL] Further evidence

2019-01-21 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
First , It’s never considered okay to change something you are quoting - fraudulent. It’s also very misleading to say the cost of that infrastructure is “500 dollars plus installation and monetization.It's not very expensive.” That reminds me of the “free” goldfish that my son’s preschool

Re: [EVDL] Further evidence

2019-01-20 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
ging it's not > useful. > > >On Sunday, January 20, 2019, 2:00:29 PM CST, Mark Abramowitz via EV > wrote: > > You may see this in California rest areas (just the EVSEs). There have been > behind the scenes discussions about this. > > - Mark > > Sent fro

Re: [EVDL] Further evidence

2019-01-20 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
> >>> By the way, these autoroute service areas are really convenient. Rather >>> than exit at some interchange, sit at various stop lights, and hunt around >>> for the services you want, you simply take the exit and park. Really easy. >>> Then you zip

Re: [EVDL] Further evidence

2019-01-20 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
e the exit and park. Really easy. Then you > zip back on your way. > > Peri > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Willie via EV" > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Cc: "Willie" > Sent: 19-Jan-19 5:22:14 PM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Further

Re: [EVDL] Further evidence

2019-01-19 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
addressed > charging on travel. The only place around here for fast charge is the > dealership > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 17, 2019, at 11:17 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV >> wrote: >> >> For those that have doubted my view that electric drivetrain

[EVDL] Further evidence

2019-01-17 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
For those that have doubted my view that electric drivetrains have reached the tipping point, this story shows further evidence: (Not pleases about serial plug-ins, but presumably that will disappear) Nissan challenges Tesla in massive shift to electric with 'complete reinterpretation' of the

Re: [EVDL] dink Cadillac EV | (the autons are coming> DoorDash Bolts)

2019-01-16 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
ote: > > Try the Bolt. It’s impressive!! > > On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 7:09 PM Mark Abramowitz via EV > wrote: > >> *Everything* I’ve heard from them the last several years leads me to think >> that they are serious about electric drive trains. >> >> M

Re: [EVDL] dink Cadillac EV | (the autons are coming> DoorDash Bolts)

2019-01-15 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
*Everything* I’ve heard from them the last several years leads me to think that they are serious about electric drive trains. Maybe we’ll get a new and improved EV1 one day! - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jan 11, 2019, at 10:42 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > % GM

Re: [EVDL] Free 2000 RAV4 EV (well, sort of)

2019-01-09 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I’ve been on on a RAV4-EV list for many years, and took the liberty of posting your note there. But you had me going for a moment - a free RAV4-EV, umm... misleading advertising. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jan 9, 2019, at 11:47 AM, Dex's Chris via EV wrote: > > I may

Re: [EVDL] Tesla's timbre transition: Oracle's Ellison on Tesla board ...

2018-12-29 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I’m not an SV person, but as an observer, I think Ellison’s addition will be great. That wasn’t my first reaction when I heard the news. I was concerned, as others are, that his close relationship with Musk was just more of the same - friends and relatives with no ability to keep Musk’s

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?

2018-12-28 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
28, 2018, at 10:55 AM, robert winfield wrote: > > um, say what? > 44%? > > On Friday, December 28, 2018, 12:51:53 PM EST, Mark Abramowitz via EV > wrote: > > > Hi Darryl, > > Thanks for your comments. > > To say that I’m thrilled about the amount of

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?

2018-12-28 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Hi Darryl, Thanks for your comments. To say that I’m thrilled about the amount of renewable and zero emission integration in Ontario would be a gross understatement. I grew up not far from Ontario and spent great summers exploring northern Ontario wilderness. I know that part of the solution

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Sorry if didn’t think my comments positive, though maybe it’s just not what you wanted to hear. If you just want to know whether hydrogen “works”, that’s easy. My family is a primary source on that. We have three fuel cell electric cars in the family. We get where we want to go. But maybe

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
The article was purported to be none of those things you mention, but about cost of infrastructure. Is that not the case? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 27, 2018, at 4:59 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > Mark, thanks for the reference. I just read the article >

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
ant findings that address your claim? That would help. > > Peri > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" > Sent: 27-Dec-18 10:51:45 AM >

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
> On Dec 27, 2018, at 7:39 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 26 Dec 2018 at 17:02, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> >> But when you look at costs at scale, I understand a recent study showed >> hydrogen to be cheaper, by 3 to 1. > > Cheaper than wh

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
. I was also sent a presentation to the DOE on the 2011 McKinsey study. I’ve not read either one yet. Hope this helps. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 26, 2018, at 5:15 PM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 12/26/18 7:02 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wr

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?

2018-12-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
the issues have been solved. > > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 1:12 AM Mark Abramowitz via EV > wrote: > >> We’ve made incredible progress over just the last few years in greening >> the grid. >> >> By 2045, it should be 100% renewable. By 2030, transportation hydrogen >

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation ?cleaner?

2018-12-26 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
We’ve made incredible progress over just the last few years in greening the grid. By 2045, it should be 100% renewable. By 2030, transportation hydrogen should be 100% renewable. (BTW, if you think that nothing else has changed in hydrogen technology in the last several years, there is

Re: [EVDL] fear of hydrogen infrastructure

2018-12-26 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Certainly good points about infrastructure. But when you look at costs at scale, I understand a recent study showed hydrogen to be cheaper, by 3 to 1. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 26, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > > To be clear, I find fuel cells

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

2018-12-24 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 24, 2018, at 11:21 AM, Lee Hart wrote: > > From: Mark Abramowitz via EV >> See the subject of the thread for the bottom line answer, though things are >> never as simple as a one-liner. > > That's for sure! It

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

2018-12-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
See the subject of the thread for the bottom line answer, though things are never as simple as a one-liner. But I gave you my answer, and you didn’t want to accept it. I also gave you the reasons why, but you wanted sources, so there’s the table. I really don’t use this table - it was just to

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

2018-12-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
;>> away. >>> >>> - Mark >>> >>> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone >>> >>>> On Dec 22, 2018, at 4:49 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >>>> >>>> I, too, question the meaning of "on a path of 100% carbon-f

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

2018-12-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
y directly (and store it in batteries). If that's the >>> technology behind the "path" then please explain why that process is better >>> than using batteries. >>> >>> The other major problem is infrastructure. Unlike EVs, you can't charge

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

2018-12-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I’ve not read it, and am not familiar with it, but can tell you that the industry has changed quite a bit. Remember how the BEV industry was just 10 years ago, 20 years ago, and 30 years and more ago. Back then, while pushing for years for a ZEV mandate, I heard many of the same arguments

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

2018-12-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
board with this, perhaps > there's something completely wrong with my assumptions. Please correct me. > > Peri > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" > To: ev@lists.evdl.org > Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" > Sent: 20-Dec-18 5

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

2018-12-21 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
PM, EVDL Administrator via EV > wrote: > >> On 21 Dec 2018 at 4:58, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> >> Fuel cell vehicles are NOT off-topic (check the charter) > > Correct. However, if you read this page > > http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#conv >

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

2018-12-21 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
For those with a strong aversion to relying on fossil fuels, the use of non-petroleum gas is certainly more virtuous than using regular Nat gas. For those concerned about greenhouse gases emissions, use of non-fossil natural gas can result in a net *decrease* of GHG emissions.(if you have

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

2018-12-21 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 21, 2018, at 4:33 AM, Willie via EV wrote: > > > >> On 12/20/18 7:49 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: >> Sorry, that last part should read “though unintentionally” >> - Mark >> Sent from my Fuel Cell powe

Re: [EVDL] OT: Keeping hydrogen for transportation “cleaner” (GHG emissions) than the grid

2018-12-20 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Sorry, that last part should read “though unintentionally” - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Dec 20, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Mark Abramowitz wrote: > > Some of you know that I’ve been an advocate for BEVs for a number of decades, > and of hydrogen fuel cell EVs (the “other”

Re: [EVDL] Toyota and the hydrogen wish.

2018-12-15 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
“I think the idea is that it takes too long to recharge an EV and that hydrogen offers the convenience of a quick refuel; similar to an ICE refill. This is the myth big business wants to purvey.” This statement puzzles me. Hydrogen DOES offer a quick refill, similar to a gasoline refill. In

Re: [EVDL] ?Will GM, Ford buyouts, cuts, layoffs affect EV production?

2018-11-28 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
More on this - from the Wall Street Journal. Production of the Bolt will increase, due to demand. They’ve sold 11,800. It’s the lowest selling of their showroom models. Production of the Volt will stop in the spring. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Nov 22, 2018, at 9:11 PM,

Re: [EVDL] ?Will GM, Ford buyouts, cuts, layoffs affect EV production?

2018-11-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Why would it affect EV production? These are white collar jobs, and happening specifically so that they can focus on EV development, at least according to the article. I don’t understand your confusion. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Nov 22, 2018, at 9:04 PM, brucedp5 via

Re: [EVDL] Ford Transit XLT By Azure for Ford

2018-11-23 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I remember these- vaguely. IIRC, they were a conversion done by a third party (one of the first, I think), but either certified by Ford, or sold directly by Ford. I don’t know the answer to your other questions, but I hope that help. The VIN number is specific to this, so my guess is the

Re: [EVDL] Ghosn out

2018-11-20 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
That’s possible, but I doubt it. Many of the OEMs are pushing hard on their development efforts, and Nissan is ahead of most of them. They are also doing a lot in fuel cell work, so I see them continuing to press for zero emission vehicles. I’ve said it before, and I still believe it - we’re

Re: [EVDL] ?Is this an EV or Watt?: ?Is it a Volt, Bolt, Prius?> crashed in Canby-OR

2018-11-10 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
First responders have a series of materials and apps that they use to determine how to address a particular. I randomly grabbed an app from the NFPA, which instructs, in the case of submersion, not to touch high voltage or medium voltage cables or components. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell

Re: [EVDL] Kudos: EVs advertised on Turo.com ad on the COZI TV network

2018-11-05 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Pricey! (No surprise) - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Nov 5, 2018, at 6:06 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > > > > The amount of unpaid time I spend finding, cleaning up and posting EV > newswires doesn't cover my living expenses. I'm not complaining, just > explaining, that

Re: [EVDL] Yet another fast food chain mocking electric cars

2018-11-05 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I did the same. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Nov 5, 2018, at 7:09 AM, Jay Summet via EV wrote: > > I also thumbs downed the video and left a comment on YouTube. > Jay > >> On 11/5/18 10:05 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >> I just sent Jackinthebox corporate my opinion

Re: [EVDL] Yet another fast food chain mocking electric cars

2018-11-05 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
No, I didn’t notice that. I guess others missed that, too. So, you were right. The silver lining is that most will not even notice it - at least the first few times that they see it. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Nov 4, 2018, at 11:22 PM, Lawrence Rhodes > wrote: > >

Re: [EVDL] Yet another fast food chain mocking electric cars

2018-11-05 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I didn’t see those vehicles as being electric. Maybe they were, but you couldn't tell. They just looked like wimpy little boxes. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Nov 4, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > > This time it is Jacka$$ in the box portraying electric

Re: [EVDL] NICAD Batteries

2018-11-04 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I’m pretty sure that hazardous waste drop-offs do not recycle the batteries. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Nov 4, 2018, at 6:33 AM, Damon Henry via EV wrote: > > I dropped a couple dead SAFT STM5 100s off at our hazardous waste drop in > the NiCad section several years

Re: [EVDL] NICAD Batteries

2018-11-04 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Let me edit correct that - that is, unless they say that they do. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Nov 4, 2018, at 7:18 AM, Mark Abramowitz wrote: > > I’m pretty sure that hazardous waste drop-offs do not recycle the batteries. > > - Mark > > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered

Re: [EVDL] (TMC/pizza-the-hut-pr spoiler)> pizza-making-truck is not an EV

2018-11-02 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
This is false. A hydrogen fuel cell vehicle *is* electric. Every bit of it. The article correctly states that the vehicle is electric drive. The only difference is where you *store* the energy. It stores it in both a battery and the hydrogen (so yes, it’s a hybrid), and there is no combustion.

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars

2018-10-29 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
But no stick shift, so it fails the spec requirement. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 29, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Lawrence Rhodes > wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:42:12 -0700 > From: Mark Abramowitz > To: Lawrence Rhodes , Electric Vehicle > Discussion

Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo

2018-10-29 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
over > 113,000 vehicles (per Bloomberg as of tonight), each with a ~80kWh battery > pack. That's over 9 GIGAWATT HOURS of EV batteries ON THE ROAD now, just in > Model 3's. Just who has done more than that? > > -Tom > >> On 10/27/2018 1:58 PM, Mark Abramowitz via EV

Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo

2018-10-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Wow. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 27, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Michael Ross wrote: > > The gigafactory doubles global production. That should do it, but they are > building more. > >> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 2:58 PM Mark Abramowitz >> wrote: >> I agree on everything

Re: [EVDL] Automaker pitches (Call for nationwide U.S. EV Mandate) woo

2018-10-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
I agree on everything except on the characterization of Tesla as preeminent battery supplier. What about BYD? Others? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Oct 27, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > > In the grand schema Tesla is just a tiny contributor to the global

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: The physics of slapping solar panels on cars

2018-10-27 Thread Mark Abramowitz via EV
Yes, I saw the price, and the performance, and the stick shift. It looked practical to me for that purpose (though out of my price range). You don’t think the girls would think it’s cool? C’mon dad. It would be a great birthday present. ;-) - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On

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