Re: [EVDL] Drivability

2020-09-28 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Maybe I'm missing something, but I think we already have a number that indicates this factor. It's the EV's highest charging rating in kW. I think that typically that varies from 6.6kW to 100kW or even 200kW. I guess that doesn't account for different EVs' varying energy consumption, but

Re: [EVDL] Drivability

2020-09-28 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 28 Sep 2020 at 11:24, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > THis > is the #11 value of an EV, to charge during the 21 hours the car is > parked and not in use so that it is full everytime you get in it. For most people, that would mean keeping the battery full most of the time. But

Re: [EVDL] Drivability

2020-09-27 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 27 Sep 2020 at 20:54, Mark Laity-Snyder via EV wrote: > Comparing EVs? Be aware of a factor thatTMs missing " Electric Auto Asso... > > The oedrivability factor in EV performance is related to how long it takes > to charge the car in order to get bac... Darn. What happened to the rest?

Re: [EVDL] Big Oil’s green makeover

2020-09-26 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 26 Sep 2020 at 13:59, paul dove via EV wrote: > how many vehicles have a 12Kw charger on board? > Not many I suspect. Quite a few, actually, both in terms of models and in road population. Well, not 12kW (I have no idea where you got that number), but 11kW. I think that the large road

Re: [EVDL] Big Oil’s green makeover

2020-09-25 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 25 Sep 2020 at 11:20, paul dove via EV wrote: > I donTMt agree with your math! 120v 8 amps is 960w/h or 5 miles and hour. Cor was talking about Amsterdam, where 120v is not used. He mentioned 11kW and 22kW charging. That's 3-phase charging which is available or standard on several EU EVs.

Re: [EVDL] tesla battery fog

2020-09-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 23 Sep 2020 at 14:28, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > The diameter of the cylindrical cell is twice as wide, and it is 14 > percent longer than the largest batteries [tesla uses]. Altogether, > that makes its volume about six times greater... the larger form factor > alone was enough to boost the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (hd-pr)> LiveWire Sets Record

2020-09-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Sep 2020 at 16:19, Alan Arrison via EV wrote: > I'm pretty sure a Zero would blow the doors off the Harley. I've seen Harley Davidsons with windshields, but doors? Good grief, what next? Roofs? :-) David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this

Re: [EVDL] Big Oil’s green makeover

2020-09-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Sep 2020 at 4:03, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Further, how compact can be an L2 ESVE ? Compact enough to put on a > utility pole ? I'm not an expert, and what little I know mostly applies to the EU. While I know of EU EVSEs (wallboxes) that are probably small enough to be mounted on

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: goodcar.co bulk-EV-buy swamped> (?imported used e-lemons?)

2020-09-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Sep 2020 at 6:13, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > UDOT has piloted a "road usage charge" program that offered electric > and hybrid vehicle owners either a $120 flat fee or 1.5 cents per mile. > Welcome to Utah, where no environmental good deed goes unpunished. :-( > So far, about 4% of all

Re: [EVDL] Big Oil’s green makeover

2020-09-20 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 19 Sep 2020 at 0:52, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... Here's the attachment. FYI, this won't happen if you send plain text or multipart/alternative with plain text one of the alternatives. = Not only in Amsterdam. *All through the country* there are

Re: [EVDL] Fw: Re: sion battery

2020-09-17 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 17 Sep 2020 at 14:28, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > We considered different battery sizes and opted for a 35 kWh battery. > Thus we ensure a range of 255 km after WLTP at maximum charging > capacity, which is generously estimated for average everyday use. The Sion is a nice looking car, with

Re: [EVDL] Big Oil’s green makeover

2020-09-16 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 16 Sep 2020 at 13:59, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > I can't think of a more unpleasant place to spend 30-45 minutes Yeah, I see what you mean. The French autoroute aires usually have nice bright cafes with quite respectable coffee and pastries, so they'd be a good place to kill a little

Re: [EVDL] Big Oil’s green makeover

2020-09-15 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 15 Sep 2020 at 20:04, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Side note: if the US government were to expand interstate rest areas > into something like the French model (I don't know if that model exists > in other countries), that would help even more. The French autoroute > stops have the

Re: [EVDL] keeping LeeH connected: How far ...

2020-09-08 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 8 Sep 2020 at 18:19, evln via EV wrote: > But puppy linux web browsers are not up to video streaming. The EVDL isn't really the place to talk computers, but I have to say, that statement is puzzling. I've used Puppy since 2011, and that hasn't been my experience at all. Puppy is pretty

Re: [EVDL] Electrify America closes all stations along I-95

2020-09-08 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Let me guess: nobody in Electrify America's management actually drives an EV. If they did, they might have a clue why this is such an insane, and possibly fatal, idea. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: New FMC F-150 pickup e-truck factory in Dearborn-MI

2020-09-07 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 7 Sep 2020 at 13:33, paul dove via EV wrote: > Sorry Autocorrect I meant to say their hybrid  Your software is right. Hubris it is. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here :

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: New FMC F-150 pickup e-truck factory in Dearborn-MI

2020-09-06 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
> I think the hubris f150 is supposed to get about 10 miles electric range John Lussmyer has spoken for himself, but I'll add that he's posted here in the past that his converted F-250 uses about 600Wh/mi. So let's say that, as an irresponsibly wild guess, a lighter F-150 kitted out with some

Re: [EVDL] EVs4Sale: LAPD-CA BMW i3 Deals> (EV-blackeye 4bad decision$)

2020-09-04 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Sigh. Same song, 295th verse (at least). You get a grant, buy a bunch of EVs, and hand the keys to people who aren't interested in them and/or actively despise them. Then you also limit what they can do with said EVs. Why look at this, nobody wants to drive them! Our EVs are a failure! Who

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $42k Honda-e .jp EV October launch r:300km

2020-08-30 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 30 Aug 2020 at 13:24, evln via EV wrote: > Honda Motor will roll out in October its first mass-produced electric > vehicle in Japan, the Honda e ... The EV will go on sale on October 30 > at a retail price of about 4.5 million yen ($42,000) 300 km on a > single charge ... Nice try, but I

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 94, Issue 33

2020-08-27 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 27 Aug 2020 at 19:23, Offgrid Systems via EV wrote: > Anytime you want a 100A circuit (or larger) for your house or > outbuilding. Pretty common actually, since every house and most > buildings have a service entrance. I'm surprised to hear you claim paralleled conductors for increased

Re: [EVDL] DC - DC Iota DLS-55/IQ4

2020-08-27 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 27 Aug 2020 at 14:11, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > But if you're determined to proceed, I think the modifications were > written up and are in the EVDL "files" section somewhere. > http://evdl.org/pages/iotamods.html Another approach that will probably provoke some controversy here is to tap

Re: [EVDL] Intimidating public EVSE> crack den on left, cat house on right

2020-08-27 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 27 Aug 2020 at 16:35, paul dove via EV wrote: >>> I say make the car companies put in charging like Tesla. >> Would you really want this?  Would you want GM to build filling >> stations too?  > Yes, most definitely! Filling stations are owned by oil companies > mostly. If you want the

Re: [EVDL] OT: Re: FrankenVolt photos posted

2020-08-26 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Folks, sorry to dampen your enthusiasm, but this is not a web design forum. Please discuss web design somewhere more appropriate, or take the conversation off list. MANY MANY web resources are devoted to web design, and lots of newbie questions get answered on Stack Exchange and similar tech

Re: [EVDL] Intimidating public EVSE> crack den on left, cat house on right

2020-08-26 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
> I say make the car companies put in charging like Tesla. Would you really want this? Would you want GM to build filling stations too? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're suggesting here, and I agree that Tesla's charging network has been a success so far for (ahem) Tesla owners only,

Re: [EVDL] FrankenVolt photos posted

2020-08-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 Aug 2020 at 13:53, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > Good on ya! After seeing all of the useless crap that HTML editors add to a > webpage, I also manually write my HTML code. I'm with you on that one! Being a little paranoid, I run with Javascript off unless I really trust the website

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Fluoride-ion cell packs bigger punch than lithium-ion

2020-08-23 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Sigh. I think it's Lee Hart who classifies phonies as "liars, damned liars, and battery salesmen." It's going to be a LONG time before a flouride ion battery is in our EVs, if it ever happens at all. https://www.batterypoweronline.com/news/what-the-fluoride-ion-battery-

Re: [EVDL] .cn leaf look-alikes: Charging EV explodes in Sanming China (v)

2020-08-23 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 23 Aug 2020 at 11:06, evln via EV wrote: > There are leaf look alike .cn EVs Yeah, I'm sure. That's how some Chinese companies work - they make knockoffs. Copyrights and trademarks don't seem to count for much there. Remember all the Smart lookalike EVs from a while back? Probably

Re: [EVDL] Charging .cn EV explodes in Sanming China (v)

2020-08-23 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 23 Aug 2020 at 12:05, paul dove via EV wrote: > Looks like a leaf! I don't know what it is, but I don't think it's a Leaf, unless Chinese Leaves look dramatically different from the US version. The wheels look similar, and that's about all. Unless my eyes are fooling me, the shape is

Re: [EVDL] wanted s10 ev

2020-08-22 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 22 Aug 2020 at 17:54, paul dove via EV wrote: > We have one of the factory S10 EV with a dolphin controller up for sale on > our website www.greenshedconversions.com Not sure what you mean by "factory S10 EV." if you mean "converted in a GM factory," then not really. That conversion wasn't

Re: [EVDL] Honda Civic EV conversion for sale?

2020-08-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Aug 2020 at 13:16, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > But on retirement, I also got a terminal cancer diagnosis and so have to > get rid of all the projects around the house. Oh, man, Robert, that just stinks. I'm really sorry to hear it. My sincere condolences. Here's hoping for the

Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt> Brazil’s Best-Selling EV

2020-08-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Aug 2020 at 9:07, Willie via EV wrote: > I don't know the cost penalty of a new EV in Brazil but factory EVs have dealt > a death blow to conversions in the US. Conversions still have the plus that shadetree mechanics can work on them more easily than they can factory EVs. The EV

Re: [EVDL] Don't hang-out in your e-Corvette's frunk

2020-08-19 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Wait, the Corvette is now an EV??? Whoa! When did this happen??? David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: [External] EVLN: Tesla-Y feels like it's not towing anything

2020-08-19 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 19 Aug 2020 at 5:48, Willie via EV wrote: > I now would jump on a cargo trailer that has a low range penalty. I > imagine a clamshell top, a smooth bottom, small wheels with LRR tires > under rather than beside the trailer body. Olaf Bleck made something like that for a Tour de Sol more

Re: [EVDL] Battery Pack drained completely

2020-08-17 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Hi Denis. I'm not an expert on these matters, so if I say something wrong here, I trust that someone else will correct me. In my admittedly limited experience I have found that BMSes always use a little current from the cells they're monitoring. I see online that the MiniBMS idle current

Re: [EVDL] Bicycle motors

2020-08-06 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 6 Aug 2020 at 3:16, Willie via EV wrote: > I believe it is not legal to have throttle control in Europe and probably > other places. Correct. All ebikes sold in the EU are pedal assist. Every one I've seen has a control to vary the amount of assist. With most, at the highest setting, the

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Zoe EV converted for use as a micro e-van r:245mi

2020-08-01 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 1 Aug 2020 at 22:01, evln via EV wrote: > https://uk.news.yahoo.com/renault-turns-zoe-electric-hatchback-094000680.html For anyone who isn't keen on clicking Yahoo's overlay to "allow Verizon Media and our partners to use cookies and similar technologies to access your device and use your

Re: [EVDL] 2012 Nissan Leaf available in Boston -- update to my June post

2020-08-01 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 1 Aug 2020 at 17:25, Jay Summet via EV wrote: > even a DIY mechanic is looking at 3,000+2,500 + labor. and has to > weigh that cost against $5,500 for a working 2013 leaf which would > probably have similar range. >From Beth's previous post on this car, we know that the car won't power

Re: [EVDL] 2012 Nissan Leaf available in Boston -- update to my June post

2020-08-01 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
I've been shocked (no pun intended) at the low prices used Leaves bring. Beth, I'm not qualified to appraise your car, and I can't even guess what you might get for it. However, a look at some Leaves sold recently on Ebay shows 6 examples from 2011 to 2013 that went for between $3000 and

Re: [EVDL] prius as generator

2020-07-30 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 30 Jul 2020 at 10:58, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: > no mention of 240 VAC two phase? I'm not an EE, but I don't think that such a thing exists anywhere, at least not as commercial power. The US does have 240v split phase, but that's single phase. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general

Re: [EVDL] 2021 KIA Soul EV cancelled from .us sale$

2020-07-29 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Poor little thing, it looks like the Jolly Green Giant sat on it. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: e-pickups promising bulletproofing 2drinking-fountains

2020-07-26 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 26 Jul 2020 at 19:45, evln via EV wrote: > Tesla claims its Cybertruck will be bulletproof Maybe Musk has realized that he'll need a bulletproof vehicle for himself if he keeps reselling bought-back lemons to his customers, as mentioned in another EVLN item today. :-\ David Roden, EVDL

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $40k Nissan Ariya fwd .jp EV r:300mi

2020-07-25 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Lee is right that small cars HAVE had some modest success in the US, mostly for non-US manufacturers. I think the problem is that US automakers just don't want to bother with modest success. Maybe it's not entirely that they don't want to, but also that they can't. In recent decades we've

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $40k Nissan Ariya fwd .jp EV r:300mi

2020-07-25 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 25 Jul 2020 at 7:52, John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > So, those are such great cars that sell well - why aren't they being sold in > the US? Could it possibly be because the demand for small cars isn't there? Sure. Small cars don't sell well here. They never have. it's cultural. America is

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $40k Nissan Ariya fwd .jp EV r:300mi

2020-07-25 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 25 Jul 2020 at 4:04, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > I want a cheaper Tesla, too. But I think Willie is right. If Tesla had > tried to make a cheap model sooner, they would have only sold a trickle. That's probably true in the US, where small cars sell in small numbers. But I wonder what would

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $40k Nissan Ariya fwd .jp EV r:300mi

2020-07-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 Jul 2020 at 18:34, paul dove via EV wrote: > .It has a 54KWh battery. What's the Leaf have? 24... 30 at any rate Leaf hasn't been that feeble in quite a while. It's 62kWh (226mi EPA) in the Plus version ($40k), 40kWh (149mi EPA) in the base version ($31.6k). >From what I read online,

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $40k Nissan Ariya fwd .jp EV r:300mi

2020-07-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 24 Jul 2020 at 12:39, Willie via EV wrote: > I continue to be amused Says the guy who, if I'm not mistake, has multiple Teslas. :-\ Lots of us can't even afford ONE Tesla, and we are not so amused. So it's heartening to read that Tesla is finally getting on track to an affordable EV,

Re: [EVDL] Faking out your EV so it will accept solar input while driving.

2020-07-23 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Lawrence, you really seem to be pining for a Stella Lux. I've lost count of how many times you've brought it up. Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you. It's clearly a technical tour de force, and I'd love to see it go into to production. However, I doubt very much that you or

Re: [EVDL] Faking out your EV so it will accept solar input while driving.

2020-07-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Jul 2020 at 21:06, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > I was thinking directly hooking into the output of the regen system might be > the best way for an EV pack to accept energy from other sources rather than > the normal charging system. IIRC, that's how most of the plug-in Prius hacks

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $40k Nissan Ariya fwd .jp EV r:300mi

2020-07-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Jul 2020 at 15:11, Bobby Keeland via EV wrote: > We bought our Tesla Model 3 for $35,000. It was ordered on March 30, 2016 and > received on May, 2019. Interesting! That's a much more reasonable price, and a decent value for anyone who's OK with a mid-size sedan. What's your range, if

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $40k Nissan Ariya fwd .jp EV r:300mi

2020-07-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Jul 2020 at 6:05, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > Only it's pretty much exactly the same size as a Chevy Bolt or a Hyundai Kona, > or a Tesla Model 3 for that matter. It costs the same or slightly more than > those. Actually at about 182" long (my gauge of how easy a car is to park) it's

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $40k Nissan Ariya fwd .jp EV r:300mi

2020-07-20 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 20 Jul 2020 at 17:00, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > The Electric Car Everyone Wants Has Finally Been Revealed Maybe I'm being too grouchy, not that that would be anything new, but when I read stuff like this I want to reach out, grab the writer, and give him a good hard shake. Where does he

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Nextgen Tesla-R EV’s insane top speed sprint (v)

2020-07-19 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
I predict a few events similar to this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uIxyn0C38I :-\ David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Re: [EVDL] Confused L.Vegas-NV Tesla driver fillup-frustrated @petrol-pump (v)

2020-07-18 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Ha ha, isn't that hilarious? Guy buys a Tesla without knowing it's an EV. I haven't seen it - I don't do Fakebook - but I'd guess it was staged. Now that Youtube and Fakebook let people who post video clips take a cut of their advertising ("monetize" them), people will do just about anything

[EVDL] Conversion EV & nickel-iron batteries for sale

2020-07-16 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
For anyone who may be interested, our 1991 Ford Escort wagon conversion is on Ebay. I'm offering it with a set of used Eagle-Picher 6v golf car size nickel iron batteries (never installed). https://www.ebay.com/itm/274426332834 David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me,

Re: [EVDL] VW selling ID.3 EV on July 20th> targeting .eu market

2020-07-14 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 14 Jul 2020 at 21:43, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > Pity they won't be selling them here in the USA Yeah, nice EV, isn't it? It might even be able to get me back into VWs. :-) The range is decent, the size isn't outrageous, at first glance it looks reasonably practical, and the price is

Re: [EVDL] Inevitable-transition2 high-nickel li-ion> cheaper, more-powerful, less-cobalt

2020-07-14 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 14 Jul 2020 at 15:20, evln via EV wrote: > The phosphate-based lithium batteries will drive the cost > down to $61 by 2030 ... Now THAT's a Tesla I could afford. At that price, I'll take 10. :-) David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-11 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 10 Jul 2020 at 23:47, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > a report by JATO Dynamics shows that an all-electric car priced at $1 > in 2011 would now cost $0.52 in China, but $1.42 in Europe and $1.55 in > the US. Thanks for mentioning this report, Lee. It should be required reading for anyone

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-11 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 11 Jul 2020 at 12:36, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote: > I keep thinking if GM wants to hit a home run, reintroduce the 1957 > Chevy BelAire updated to current DOT safety standards and > emission/economy requirements, then stand back! It might work. Maybe there's a market for EVs with nostalgia.

Re: [EVDL] Long Range EVs, hybrids trade offs $18k (Corona Discount)

2020-07-11 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 11 Jul 2020 at 11:53, Willie via EV wrote: > I urge you to monitor Tesla developments with an eye to fitting one into your > budget. Aside from the perceived high prices, all other EVs pale in > comparison. I agree that they're well designed cars. I have some concerns about them that I've

Re: [EVDL] Long Range EVs, hybrids trade offs $18k (Corona Discount)

2020-07-11 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 11 Jul 2020 at 11:22, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > It is gratifying for me to read about areas of the country where EVs > really are catching on, and becoming accepted and commonplace. But it's > still like the 1990's here. Sorry to keep rehashing this, but this is one of the big EV differences

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-11 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 10 Jul 2020 at 23:47, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > a report by JATO Dynamics shows that an all-electric car priced at $1 > in 2011 would now cost $0.52 in China, but $1.42 in Europe and $1.55 in > the US. This is interesting, and despite the falling costs in China, disappointing if true. We

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-10 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 10 Jul 2020 at 15:48, paul dove via EV wrote: > ThatTMs nuts. Batteries are still the barrier. You canTMt even convert one > with that much range for that price Not so fast there. The EV economy of scale we've been talking about for 25+ years is finally happening, at least in Europe and

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-10 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 10 Jul 2020 at 17:57, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > I seem to remember someone driving a converted VW microbus > coast-to-coast 30-40 years ago, and it had far less than 100 miles > range. This may be what you're thinking of:

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-10 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Elon Musk promised us a $30k Tesla. He didn't deliver one. Anyone who thinks a $40k car is affordable is clearly not in my socio- economic class. Teslas are cars for your class, not mine. I've never paid that much for a new car and (adjusting for inflation) don't ever intend to. Heck,

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 9 Jul 2020 at 0:00, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > I've driven EVs since the 1970's, and have never needed them to go > over 50-100 miles on a charge ...When I need more range ... I use an ICE > car. I don't disagree with this. I also think that media pieces about EVs have often made too much of

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 8 Jul 2020 at 23:39, Michael Ross via EV wrote: > Used to be, I am out of touch, that less than 100°F and 100% SOC was a > recipe for significant battery degradation. I thought it was the other way round - that lithium cells at or near 100% SOC would degrade rapidly at high temperatures.

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-08 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 9 Jul 2020 at 14:30, Bill Dube via EV wrote: > They altered their focus away from EV batteries and towards other > markets that made more sense for LiFePO4 technology. Obviously I'm not in any position to advise them, but I wonder if it might be time for A123 to review their focus. I

Re: [EVDL] Osborne Effect: 2026 all new car sales will be electric

2020-07-07 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Nope. Nice thought, though. The author of that piece is in Australia. Maybe he sees most clearly what's going on in western Europe and southeast Asia. (I'm not so sure about Australia.) For many of those nations, bar Italy, EV sales are on a rapid upward slope. That's in large part

[EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-06 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
While I was looking for other information a couple of days ago, I ran across something on the web that surprised me. I didn't follow up at the time and now I've lost track of where it was, but maybe someone else here knows something about it. The post or article I saw claimed that Tesla's

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV owner tossed lrr tires4 sticky-performance= less range

2020-07-04 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 4 Jul 2020 at 13:03, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote: > Depends on your comfort level. My Goodyear Invicta GLR LRR tires were > *dangerously* slippery. Yeah, I had GLRs some years back, and I can't disagree with that. They rolled and rolled, but kind of sucked in most other characteristics. They

Re: [EVDL] [GGEVA] Best Leaf tires.

2020-07-04 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 4 Jul 2020 at 20:08, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > The Leaf has a ball system of energy consumption ... In general I use > the two ball system. Hmm. That sounds a bit ... er ... odd. I'd like a good old fashioned ammeter, please. I'll settle for a digital simulation, even one with an

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV owner tossed lrr tires4 sticky-performance= less range

2020-07-04 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 4 Jul 2020 at 14:42, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Personally, without compromising safety, I would go for the most > efficient tire. Why waste energy if you don't have to ? >From reading the R article, I guess some drivers actually enjoy the sensation of having their entrails located 3 or 4

Re: [EVDL] Best Leaf tires.

2020-07-03 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 3 Jul 2020 at 17:20, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: >  The only info on the web is the Michelin MVX are bad. Ecopia go > od.  I don't know what "go od" means. > Michelin energy savers are ok on Prius. Are you ASKING about Leaf tires, or SUGGESTING Leaf tires? David Roden, EVDL moderator &

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Lordstown Endurance pickup e-truck> 4 in-wheel e-motors

2020-06-29 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 29 Jun 2020 at 11:36, Christopher Darilek via EV wrote: > Are we still laughing at hub motors? Unsprung weight? Or does Lordstown know > what they're doing? The Mitsubishi Imiev prototype had hub motors. You may have noticed that the production model didn't. I don't think that was

Re: [EVDL] Supercaps in EVs

2020-06-25 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
In the early 2000s, Solectria (RIP) used supercaps experimentally as current levelers in EVs. They hoped to get more range out of lead batteries. The idea worked, to a degree, but the caps' rapid voltage fall meant they needed a DC:DC converter, and its (in)efficiency was a problem. Also,

Re: [EVDL] 20s A123 battery pack for ebike

2020-06-25 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 25 Jun 2020 at 16:35, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > So buyer beware. Documentation not included. Yeah, that costs extra. If you want instructions for this cheap stuff, you buy the same cheap stuff from an importer in the West. If you've chosen well, the seller will have written up

Re: [EVDL] Ego vs Greenworks? 7aH EGO battery?

2020-06-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
My e-mowers have been corded type, so no battery problems. However, the replacement motor I put in the B was a 36 volt and I ran it from a 10ah PIng lithium battery that I carried in a backpack, which made the mower much more maneuverable. I ran it that way for 4 seasons, until the motor

Re: [EVDL] Ego vs Greenworks?

2020-06-24 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
I've owned a total of 4 E-mowers (not counting the Elec-traks) so far since 1994 - a B, two Yard Machines (MTD), and a Greenworks. The B lasted the longest, but I had to replace the motor and the wheels. Eventually the replacement motor died too, and since the plastic deck was starting to

[EVDL] Segway off balance; hangs it up

2020-06-23 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Segway, which boldly claimed its two-wheeled personal transporter would revolutionize the way people get around, is ending production of its namesake vehicle. The Segway PT, popular with tourists and police officers but perhaps better known for its high-profile crashes, will be retired on 15

Re: [EVDL] 20s A123 battery pack for ebike

2020-06-23 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
>From my admittedly limited experience, most electronic devices you buy from Chinese sellers are cheap and poorly documented. If you get instructions, they'll usually be in "Chinglish" and confusing at best. IMO, those gadgets are iffy enough for people who know what they're doing. I'm an

Re: [EVDL] !SOLD!: Red 2011 Think City For Sale in San Francisco

2020-06-23 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 23 Jun 2020 at 16:02, evln via EV wrote: > SOLD, see Impressive ... Congrats to both buyer and seller, and best of luck to the former. Was it anybody on this list? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL

Re: [EVDL] Fw: [GGEVA] Red 2011 Think City For Sale in San Francisco

2020-06-23 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 23 Jun 2020 at 16:46, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > 2011 Think City. ... asking $4,995. I may be remembering wrong, but it seems to me that I've seem some more or less usable (limited range) Nissan Leaves offered for around this price. The Think City was a pretty good EV, especially for

Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project

2020-06-22 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 22 Jun 2020 at 13:29, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > But there are already many markets in the world where ICEs are banned. > There are likely to be more in the future. China is pushing EVs hard. France and the UK plan to do away with ICEV sales by 2040, and in fact France wants Paris 100% EV by

Re: [EVDL] Chevy Bolt EV towing capacity NOT!

2020-06-21 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 21 Jun 2020 at 8:25, Willie via EV wrote: > It really depends on your anal retentiveness or how risk averse you are. And on whether you're willing to discard the warranty on a $30K+ vehicle. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project

2020-06-20 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 20 Jun 2020 at 7:06, paul dove via EV wrote: > The law was the only reason [Toyota] made electric vehicles >From the very beginning, Toyota has dragged their feet on EVs. Tesla builds EVs for good reasons. I think you could argue that Nissan and Renault did, at least initially, with the

[EVDL] (Fwd) Factory 1997 Chevy S10 EV Manuals (EV1 Drivetrain)

2020-06-19 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Here's a message that the listserver seems to have somehow lost: - Hey folks, I recently acquired a factory made Chevy S10 EV (with the EV1 powertrain). I am looking for any and all manuals+software for this car. I have nothing besides an owner's manual. The car is from 1997,

[EVDL] Private email addresses

2020-06-18 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Please don't publish people's offlist, private email addresses without explicit permission. That's really rude. If the email address is public information, I strongly encourage you to link to the web page where the address is published, instead of quoting it here. For one thing, that

Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project

2020-06-18 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 18 Jun 2020 at 11:45, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > Perhaps the problem is that the auto companies don't sell to end-users > -- they sell to *dealers*. So the dealers dictate the features; what > they want to sell; what gives them the highest profit margin. I think that's a large part of it.

Re: [EVDL] LRR Tires: Research tips?

2020-06-17 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 17 Jun 2020 at 17:01, Willie via EV wrote: > Consider the honesty incorporated in Tesla's no advertise policy. IF > you decide on your on that you want it, then buy it. Else, do not > buy. That's fine, if it works for them, but Teslas are also a fine example of what I'm talking about.

Re: [EVDL] LRR Tires: Research tips?

2020-06-17 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 17 Jun 2020 at 12:37, Mr. Sharkey via EV wrote: > apparently manufacturers are dropping support for the 14" wheel > diameter throughout the industry. You should try looking for 12" or 13" tires, especially in LRR. It can be quite a challenge to keep old conversions and C-cars properly

Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project

2020-06-16 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 17 Jun 2020 at 1:12, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > Mercedes, Toyota, and Ford. The latter two probably have the best > chance of meeting the hauling niche. Whether any of them actually do > what is rumored, ... Funny the reputation Mercedes has in the US. From my admittedly casual exposure,

Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project

2020-06-16 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 16 Jun 2020 at 23:59, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > So, if someone were to produce a long-range "useful" > minivan at a "basic" price, that would be preferable. You have choices! All you have to do is move to where the government actually gives a fig about the environment - that is, just

Re: [EVDL] LRR Tires: Research tips?

2020-06-16 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
I've used Nokian WR and WR G2 tires with very good results. They'd coast a long way. Mine weren't horribly noisy. Wear rate was so-so; anything over 40k was pushing it. Nokian make an LRR WR G4 (later generation) tire in 185-65-14. Would that work? They will probably be hard to find, and

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 400k-mi Tesla pack degradation > Real-world data

2020-06-14 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 14 Jun 2020 at 8:13, evln via EV wrote: > latest issue of Car and Driver is almost exclusively devoted to EVs If you had told me in, say, 1990 that 30 years hence C would be extolling the virtues of EVs, I would have looked around for the Candid Camera. In 1994, though, they had some

Re: [EVDL] dead 2012 Nissan Leaf available in Boston area

2020-06-13 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 13 Jun 2020 at 13:38, Beth Silverman via EV wrote: > They think one of the battery cells is dead. When they removed the plastic > panels under the vehicle to look, there was so much rust they're afraid to > even take the metal pan down to access the battery box. Yikes! For that poor car to

Re: [EVDL] Million Mile Battery

2020-06-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 9 Jun 2020 at 9:52, moskowitz via EV wrote: > Extending that lifespan is viewed as a key advance because the pack could be > reused in a second vehicle. This sounds great IF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS. Still, I have some trouble seeing such a gigantic cycle life increase as a significant advantage

Re: [EVDL] Million Mile Battery

2020-06-09 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 9 Jun 2020 at 9:52, moskowitz via EV wrote: > The Chinese behemoth that makes electric-car batteries for Tesla Inc. and > Volkswagen AG ... I thought Tesla's batteries were made by Panasonic. Isn't that a Japanese company? Have things changed? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL

Re: [EVDL] Variac and diode bridge to charge LiFEPO4

2020-06-08 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 8 Jun 2020 at 6:45, paul dove via EV wrote: > Just because an engineer developed a BMS does not make it good. It was > an engineer that designed the lap top batteries that caught fire as well. I said "designed by someone who knows his or her stuff, and made by a qualified manufacturer that

Re: [EVDL] Variac and diode bridge to charge LiFEPO4

2020-06-07 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
Lithium batteries have an insane amount of energy in a small space. A little carelessness or ignorance and they can burn your house down, maybe with you and your family inside. You prevent lithium disasters with close and redundant battery monitoring. If you're a really good engineer, you

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV
On 28 May 2020 at 15:52, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > But to be fair, there is a cost to the utility > company since they get less revenue but still must maintain the same > level of infrastructure. Surely there's a better and fair way to do > this. This is where subsidies come in. If a

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