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With convenience stores (7-11, etc.) trying to be gas stations, and gas
stations trying to be convenience stores, whatever pump you pull up to, the
business draws power and people.
24 hour stations are the normal here and are located just off a highway (101
or 280). Custom
quivalent. Amazing!
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>> It would be good to corroborate this data. I'm hoping that this store is an
>> anomaly.
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>> Peri
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> pumping gas too!)
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>> If people primarily charg
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If people primarily charge at home then wouldn't most convenience
stores
go aw
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>> About two years ago, I asked a gas station/convenience store owner
>> w
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is an anomaly.
Peri
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From: "Tom Keenan"
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Sent: 05-Dec-15 9:36:12 AM
Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop
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About two years ago,
me EV assumptions, the gas station uses enough
> electricy to charge somewhere between 1 and 2 EVs.
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> Peri
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> From: "Robert Bruninga via EV"
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> Sent: 04-Dec-15 6:47:23 AM
> S
gt; Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping
> gas
> too!)
>
> That would be interesting information. I'll take a stab at an answer, based
> on
> this EIA
> graph:
>
> http://www.eia.gov/beta/MER/index.cfm?tbl=T02.01#/?f=A&star
id too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas
too!)
>
> On 4 Dec 2015 at 9:47, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
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> > Typical right wing ignorance.
>
> No politics please, just the facts. Thanks.
>
> David Rod
I saw one graph which stated the energy usage for oil refining to gasoline.
It's stated 23g of CO2 for each driven kilometer just for that part. With
our mix on electricity there was 19g of CO2 per kilometer on EV. From this
one could derive that producing gasoline solely is already consuming more
I assume that most EVs in the UK would be charged overnight at home.
Doesn't the UK have the same situation as the USA with there being a
large surplus of power at night, and shortages only happen during the
daytime? Widespread EV use is generally found to *help* the grid, by
leveling power usa
On 4 Dec 2015 at 9:47, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> Typical right wing ignorance.
No politics please, just the facts. Thanks.
David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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Overall, the electricity use will remain the same or rise a small
amount. Many studies have shown this.
1) Compact fluorescent and LED bulbs as well as the move toward other
more efficient household appliances will tend to counteract the added
load of EVs on the grid.
2) EV's tend to charge
On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
>
> The average American 20 mile/day is about
> $40 worth of electricity.
Wha…?
Assume 3 miles per kWh. Rounding up, that’s 7 kWh for your daily mileage. Most
places are within shouting distance of $0.10 / kWh for off-peak EV charging,
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping gas
too!)
On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:28 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote: >
> The average American 20 mile/day is about > $40 worth of electricity. Wha.?
Assume 3
On Dec 4, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
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> Though small, It’s a data point we need to include in
> our quiver and come up with some numbers...
I think focussing on the small fry might be distracting and counterproductive.
If you really want to do that sort of thing, you’d hav
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping
gas too!)
That would be interesting information. I'll take a stab at an answer, based
on this EIA graph:
http://www.eia.gov/beta/MER/index.cfm?tbl=T02.01#/?f=A&start=21
Overall, it shows that
> EVs will be very good for the grid…but not because we’ll be shutting down
> gas stations.
Agreed, completely. But my point was that I have never seen anyone look at
this point of view as to what electricity is saved by not moving so much gas
around everywhere. Though small, It’s a data point w
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Subject: Re: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop
pumping gas too!)
On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV
wrote:
How much ELECTRICITY does a gas station consume
Nowhere near as much as you’re suggesting. As a general rule, Americans
u
On Dec 4, 2015, at 7:47 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:
> How much ELECTRICITY does a gas station consume
Nowhere near as much as you’re suggesting. As a general rule, Americans use
about as much energy on personal transportation as for household electricity,
with the cars generally more
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Sent: 04-Dec-15 6:47:23 AM
Subject: [EVDL] UK grid too weak for 34M EVs (not when we stop pumping
gas too!)
: MP Amber Rudd sez the UK grid too weak for 34M EVs
BRITAIN’S electric car revolution could trigger blackouts by
overloading
our power networ
>: MP Amber Rudd sez the UK grid too weak for 34M EVs
> BRITAIN’S electric car revolution could trigger blackouts by overloading
> our power network, senior Tories fear.
Typical right wing ignorance.
What happens when 50% of cars are EV's. Then only 50% of the gas stations
remain operating. How
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