On 23 Feb 2012, at 06:42, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 22, 6:10 pm, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
'Yes doctor' is merely an establishment of the assumption of comp.
Saying yes means you are a computationalist. If you say no the you
are
not one, and one cannot proceed with the argument
On 22 Feb 2012, at 18:17, marty684 wrote:
Bruno,
If everything is made of numbers (as in COMP)
Nothing is made of. Everything appears in the mind of Universal
numbers relatively to universal numbers, with hopefully reasonable
relative statistics.
Think about a dream. If
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On Feb 23, 1:09 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
The yes doctor scenario considers the belief that if you are issued
with a computerised brain you will feel just the same. It's equivalent
to the yes barber scenario: that if
On Feb 23, 4:32 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 23 Feb 2012, at 06:42, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 22, 6:10 pm, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
'Yes doctor' is merely an establishment of the assumption of comp.
Saying yes means you are a computationalist. If you say no the
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Subject: Re: The free will function
On 22 Feb 2012, at 18:17, marty684 wrote:
Bruno,
If everything is made of numbers (as in
2012/2/23 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Feb 23, 4:32 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 23 Feb 2012, at 06:42, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Feb 22, 6:10 pm, Pierz pier...@gmail.com wrote:
'Yes doctor' is merely an establishment of the assumption of comp.
Saying yes
On Feb 22, 1:10 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Could a rock have consciousness? Good answer from someone on
Quora:http://www.quora.com/Could-a-rock-have-consciousness
Yes, obviously.
Why obviously?
Well, first of all, where is the “disconnect” and what is it
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Comp makes physics a branch of arithmetic.
How in the world can you test if that is right? Even if it's true there is
no reason to think that arithmetic could only generate one type (our type)
of physical reality, there
On Feb 23, 9:34 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Well, first of all, where is the “disconnect” and what is it made
of? Specifically, the disconnect that must occur if some parts of
reality are “conscious” while others aren’t.
DIsconnects exist. Some things are magnetic and others
On Feb 23, 8:53 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/2/23 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Feb 23, 1:09 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote:
The yes doctor scenario considers the belief that if you are issued
with a computerised brain you will feel just
On Feb 21, 10:41 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 21, 5:41 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
You are conflating the levels (as Bruno always tells me). The
simulation has no access to extra-simulatory information, it is a
complete sub-universe. It's logic is the
On Feb 23, 9:26 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
I understand that is how you think of it, but I am pointing out your
unconscious bias. You take consciousness for granted from the start.
Because it is... I don't know/care for you, but I'm conscious... the
existence of
2012/2/23 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Feb 23, 9:26 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
I understand that is how you think of it, but I am pointing out your
unconscious bias. You take consciousness for granted from the start.
Because it is... I don't know/care
2012/2/23 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Feb 23, 9:26 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
I understand that is how you think of it, but I am pointing out your
unconscious bias. You take consciousness for granted from the start.
Because it is... I don't know/care
On Feb 23, 11:18 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Feb 21, 10:41 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 21, 5:41 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
You are conflating the levels (as Bruno always tells me). The
simulation has no access to extra-simulatory
On Feb 23, 3:50 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 23, 9:34 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Well, first of all, where is the “disconnect” and what is it made
of? Specifically, the disconnect that must occur if some parts of
reality are “conscious” while
On Feb 23, 12:53 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/2/23 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Feb 23, 9:26 am, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
I understand that is how you think of it, but I am pointing out your
unconscious bias. You take
On Feb 23, 12:57 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/2/23 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
Comp has no ability to contradict itself,
You say so.
Is it not true?
no it is not true.. for example, proving consciousness cannot be emulate on
machines would proves
On Feb 22, 7:42 am, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Has someone already mentioned this?
I woke up in the middle of the night with this, so it might not make
sense...or...
The idea of saying yes to the doctor presumes that we, in the thought
experiment, bring to the thought
On Feb 23, 2:45 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Well, first of all, where is the “disconnect” and what is it made
of? Specifically, the disconnect that must occur if some parts of
reality are “conscious” while others aren’t.
DIsconnects exist. Some things are magnetic and
On Feb 23, 7:43 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 23, 11:18 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Feb 21, 5:41 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
You are conflating the levels (as Bruno always tells me). The
simulation has no access to extra-simulatory
On Feb 23, 7:43 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 23, 11:18 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Why would Gods be supernatural?
Why would bachelors be married?
This is your argument, not mine. My whole point is that God becomes
On Feb 23, 8:27 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 23, 2:45 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Well, first of all, where is the “disconnect” and what is it made
of? Specifically, the disconnect that must occur if some parts of
reality are
On Feb 23, 3:25 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Feb 22, 7:42 am, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Has someone already mentioned this?
I woke up in the middle of the night with this, so it might not make
sense...or...
The idea of saying yes to the doctor presumes that
Dear Craig,
my first step was to join Quora but it asked for my password what I denied
to disclose to Facebook and other 'social' networks as well (staying
private).
In the quoted excerpt were wise thoughts (time-scale etc.) but it did not
address my main point: whatever we THINK about that
On Feb 23, 4:00 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
He isn't saying it's special, he is asking why should we think that
consciousness arises as some exceptional phenomenon in the universe.
Every phenomenon is exceptional.
Not in the sense that they are disconnected from all other
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On Feb 23, 12:57 pm, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/2/23 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
Comp has no ability to contradict itself,
You say so.
Is it not true?
no it is not true.. for example, proving
On Feb 23, 3:51 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
That's because you aren't taking the simulation seriously.
Or because I am taking truth seriously.
Seriously and literally are two different things.
You are
thinking that because you know it's a simulation it means that the
observers
On Feb 23, 3:57 pm, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
On Feb 23, 7:43 pm, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 23, 11:18 am, 1Z peterdjo...@yahoo.com wrote:
Why would Gods be supernatural?
Why would bachelors be married?
This is your
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 22 Feb 2012, at 23:07, Terren Suydam wrote:
Here was the aha! moment. I get it now. Thanks to you and Quentin.
Even though I am well aware of the consequences of MGA, I was focusing
on the physical activity of the
On 2/23/2012 2:49 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
As wild or counter-intuitive as it may be though, it really has no
consequences to speak of in the ordinary, mundane living of life. To
paraphrase Eliezer Yudkowsky, it has to add up to normal. On the
other hand, once AGIs start to appear, or we begin
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:21 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/23/2012 2:49 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
As wild or counter-intuitive as it may be though, it really has no
consequences to speak of in the ordinary, mundane living of life. To
paraphrase Eliezer Yudkowsky, it has to add
Let us suppose you're right and... but hold on! We can't do that. That
would be circular. That would be sneaking in the assumption that
you're right from the outset. That would be shifty', fishy, etc
etc. You just don't seem to grasp the rudiments of philosophical
reasoning. 'Yes doctor' is not an
On 2/23/2012 6:00 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 7:21 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 2/23/2012 2:49 PM, Terren Suydam wrote:
As wild or counter-intuitive as it may be though, it really has no
consequences to speak of in the ordinary, mundane living of life. To
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