Re: WSJ Article On Why Computers Make Lame Supermarket Cashiers

2013-10-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, October 13, 2013 12:56:58 AM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 13 October 2013 17:40, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I don't believe in philosophical zombies. I use puppet because a puppet implies an absence of conscious presence, which is an ordinary condition of

Re: Note to Russell Standish

2013-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Oct 2013, at 19:40, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno: We need only a good dreamer, and the discovery of the relative universal numbers Richard: Who other than humans can do that? ? The answer is the Löbian number (the so called sufficiently rich theories, which exists in arithmetic,

Re: Note to Russell Standish

2013-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Oct 2013, at 21:28, John Mikes wrote: Bruno, I can't help it: I liked Richard's interjection. Arithmetics (even in your fundamental vision - I suppose) needs 'human logic' to propagate etc., Yes. Like galaxies needs human teacher in astronomy to propagate in human children

Re: The probability problem in Everettian quantum mechanics

2013-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Oct 2013, at 22:53, meekerdb wrote: On 10/12/2013 10:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Oct 2013, at 03:25, meekerdb wrote: So there are infinitely many identical universes preceding a measurement. How are these universes distinct from one another? Do they divide into two

Re: WSJ Article On Why Computers Make Lame Supermarket Cashiers

2013-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 12 Oct 2013, at 22:47, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Sunday, 13 October 2013, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Oct 2013, at 09:49, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Because the article is consistent with my view that there is a fundamental difference between quantitative tasks and aesthetic

Re: WSJ Article On Why Computers Make Lame Supermarket Cashiers

2013-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2013, at 06:40, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:27:08 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Oct 2013, at 09:49, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Saturday, October 12, 2013, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, October 11, 2013 11:32:49 PM UTC-4, stathisp

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2013, at 06:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:54:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/12/2013 12:49 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Yes, but you see, even the food we get from the restaurant, is delicious. Why would it be delicious, assuming COMP. How could the

Re: WSJ Article On Why Computers Make Lame Supermarket Cashiers

2013-10-13 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 13 October 2013 15:29, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Perform to whose satisfaction? A cadaver can be made to twitch, or propped up to stand. Perform to the satisfaction of anyone you care to nominate. A committee of humans examine two people who have had a haircut, one from

Re: In Bruno's Terms

2013-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2013, at 08:35, Craig Weinberg wrote: Maybe this will help. Here are two criticisms of comp, and two hypotheses which aim for a more mathematical treatment of PIP principles under MSR. Presumption of repeatability (PR) - By overlooking the possibility of absolute uniqueness,

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-13 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:05:46AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Oct 2013, at 06:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:54:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/12/2013 12:49 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Yes, but you see, even the food we get from the restaurant, is

Re: In Bruno's Terms

2013-10-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:04:53 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Oct 2013, at 08:35, Craig Weinberg wrote: Maybe this will help. Here are two criticisms of comp, and two hypotheses which aim for a more mathematical treatment of PIP principles under MSR. * Presumption of

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2013, at 12:24, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 11:05:46AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Oct 2013, at 06:47, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Saturday, October 12, 2013 3:54:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: On 10/12/2013 12:49 AM, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Yes, but you

Re: Note to Russell Standish

2013-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2013, at 12:56, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno: ? The answer is the Löbian number (the so called sufficiently rich theories, which exists in arithmetic, in a variety of relative way). Richard: If the Lobian number exists, why are humans or aliens needed at all? They are needed

Re: In Bruno's Terms

2013-10-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 13 Oct 2013, at 15:20, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:04:53 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Oct 2013, at 08:35, Craig Weinberg wrote: Maybe this will help. Here are two criticisms of comp, and two hypotheses which aim for a more mathematical treatment of PIP

Re: Note to Russell Standish

2013-10-13 Thread Richard Ruquist
Bruno, Even in my Metaverse String cosmology I can understand how from the beginning of the Metaverse how its machine can generate all Lobian numbers including arithmetic humans and aliens long before our universe exists and evolves conscious physical beings. What I do not understand is why those

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: if you agree that each copy (the W-man, and the M-man) get one bit of information, I agree that if that one bit of information that they both

Re: The probability problem in Everettian quantum mechanics

2013-10-13 Thread meekerdb
On 10/13/2013 1:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Oct 2013, at 22:53, meekerdb wrote: On 10/12/2013 10:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Oct 2013, at 03:25, meekerdb wrote: So there are infinitely many identical universes preceding a measurement. How are these universes distinct from one

Re: In Bruno's Terms

2013-10-13 Thread LizR
On 13 October 2013 19:35, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: * Presumption of repeatability* (PR) - By overlooking the possibility of absolute uniqueness, comp must conceive of all events as locally documented stereotypes of a Platonic template rather than true originals. This

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-13 Thread John Mikes
Dear Telmo, in spite of my reluctance to spend time and energy on that nightmare of teleportation-related follies - (probably a result of too heavy dinners after which Q-physicists could not sleep/relax) - and with no intention to protect John Clark (a decent partner anyway) I may draw a thick

Re: The I Concept, Analytically

2013-10-13 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 04:25:50PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Oct 2013, at 12:24, Russell Standish wrote: How do we know that those 3 hypostases exhaust the possibilities for logics containing true but incommunicable sentences? Who ever said that they exhaust them? On the

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-10-13 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:26 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: if you agree that each copy (the W-man, and the M-man) get one