Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
is ? Don't mind to much :) Bruno Best, Terren On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 11 Sep 2012, at 13:27, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God, the regularity of Newton's physics or the microscopic structure

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-14 Thread Roger Clough
Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 16:26:42 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: Statistically, shouldn't we see this simple 1K sequence frequently in nature? I mean precisely. Shouldn't

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-14 Thread Stephen P. King
...@verizon.net 9/14/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 16:26:42 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On Tue, Sep

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-14 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: the human genome is at least 700Mb, but yeah it's not a lot. Let's see, the human genome is about 3 billion base pairs long, there are 4 bases so each base can represent 2 bits and there are 8 bits per byte. That comes

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, September 14, 2012 4:28:13 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: the human genome is at least 700Mb, but yeah it's not a lot. Let's see, the human genome is about 3 billion base pairs long, there

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-13 Thread Jason Resch
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:06:44 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:20:49 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:05:34 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: They don't come from the simple definition. They come from your retina and visual cortex. That's what I am trying to tell you. There is nothing there but the meaningless seed. Were do you propose my retina gets it from?

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
...@verizon.net 9/12/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 13:20:45 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On 11 Sep

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On 11 Sep 2012, at 13:27, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God, the regularity of Newton's physics or the microscopic structure of a snowflake dispels such doubt. These show design. Design cannot be made randomly. So

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Richard Ruquist
function. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 13:20:45 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On 11 Sep 2012, at 13:27, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 14:55:35 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On 11 Sep 2012, at 15:29, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonomous function, so over-layers

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
, 06:45:04 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On 12 Sep 2012, at 12:22, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Yes, and Steve Wolfram has come up with a similar idea of building the universe from very small units in A New Kind of Science. http://www.wolframscience.com

Re: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
. - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-12, 07:31:17 Subject: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, Hi Roger, Thank you for the link to Steve Wolfram's new book. What he says in the first few pages is that his new science does away

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Bruno Marchal
: 2012-09-11, 14:55:35 Subject: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On 11 Sep 2012, at 15:29, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonomous function, so over-layers are not only forbidden

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-12 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:06:44 PM UTC-4, Jason wrote: On Sep 11, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:20:49 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: Look how lawful and rich a very simple program, less than 1K, can

If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God, the regularity of Newton's physics or the microscopic structure of a snowflake dispels such doubt. These show design. Design cannot be made randomly. So there must be some intelligence interweaved in Nature. I call that God. That nature

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:29:00 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God, the regularity of Newton's physics or the microscopic structure of a snowflake dispels such doubt. These show design. Design cannot be made randomly. So

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
that there is a God, On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:29:00 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God, the regularity of Newton's physics or the microscopic structure of a snowflake dispels such doubt. These show design. Design cannot be made randomly. So there must

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg javascript: *Receiver:* everything-list javascript: *Time:* 2012-09-11, 08:01:52 *Subject:* Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7

Re: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
, 09:00:27 Subject: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:41:13 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonomous function, so over-layers are not only forbidden, they are not needed. What is God if not an over

Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonomous function, so over-layers are not only forbidden, they are not needed. But God does have to follow laws he already created. If you jump off of a building you will fall to

Re: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
- From: Stathis Papaioannou Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-11, 09:29:46 Subject: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God, On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonomous function, so over-layers are not only

Re: Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - *From:* Craig Weinberg javascript: *Receiver:* everything-list javascript: *Time:* 2012-09-11, 09:00:27 *Subject:* Re: Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Sep 2012, at 13:27, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God, the regularity of Newton's physics or the microscopic structure of a snowflake dispels such doubt. These show design. Design cannot be made randomly. So there must be some intelligence

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Terren Suydam
PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 11 Sep 2012, at 13:27, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal If I ever doubt that there is a God, the regularity of Newton's physics or the microscopic structure of a snowflake dispels such doubt. These show design. Design cannot be made

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 11 Sep 2012, at 15:29, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Intelligence is by (my) definition an autonomous function, so over-layers are not only forbidden, they are not needed. But God does have to follow laws he already

Re: If I ever doubt that there is a God,

2012-09-11 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:20:49 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: Look how lawful and rich a very simple program, less than 1K, can define: Statistically, shouldn't we see this simple 1K sequence frequently in nature? I mean precisely. Shouldn't there be hundreds of species of beetle