On Monday, October 1, 2012 1:36:24 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Craig Weinberg
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I don't doubt that initial experiments would not yield ideal results.
Neural prostheses would initially be used for people with
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
You're suggesting that even if one implant works as well as the
original, multiple implants would not. Is there a critical replacement
limit, 20% you feel normal but 21% you don't? How have you arrived at
this
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Exactly. It's one thing for a person to use an artificial hand, but what is
it that learns to use an artificial 'you'? It's hard for me to understand
how this obvious Grand Canyon is repeatedly glossed over in these
On Monday, October 1, 2012 11:08:44 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
You're suggesting that even if one implant works as well as the
original, multiple implants would not. Is there a critical replacement
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
You're not really answering the question. The neural implants are
refined to the point where thousands of people are walking around with
them with no problem. Any objective or subjective test thrown at them
they pass.
On 01 Oct 2012, at 18:03, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Craig Weinberg
whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
You're not really answering the question. The neural implants are
refined to the point where thousands of people are walking around
with
them with no problem.
On Monday, October 1, 2012 12:03:38 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
You're not really answering the question. The neural implants are
refined to the point where thousands of people are walking around with
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
But if the implants worked as implants without experiences the person
would behave as if everything were fine while internally and
impotently noticing that his experiences were disappearing or
changing. Do you
On Monday, October 1, 2012 8:09:53 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
But if the implants worked as implants without experiences the person
would behave as if everything were fine while internally and
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, so you put in the brain implant, switch it in and out of circuit
without telling the subject which is which, and ask them how they
feel. They can't tell any difference and you can't tell any difference
in
On Sunday, September 30, 2012 6:19:15 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
OK, so you put in the brain implant, switch it in and out of circuit
without telling the subject which is which, and ask them how they
On 9/30/2012 3:18 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
I don't doubt that initial experiments would not yield ideal results.
Neural prostheses would initially be used for people with
disabilities. Cochlear implants are better than being deaf, but not as
good as normal hearing. But technology keeps
On 9/30/2012 2:03 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/30/2012 3:18 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
I don't doubt that initial experiments would not yield ideal results.
Neural prostheses would initially be used for people with
disabilities. Cochlear implants are better than being deaf, but not as
good as
On Sunday, September 30, 2012 3:45:56 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 9/30/2012 2:03 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 9/30/2012 3:18 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
I don't doubt that initial experiments would not yield ideal results.
Neural prostheses would initially be used for people
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 1:45 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't doubt that initial experiments would not yield ideal results.
Neural prostheses would initially be used for people with
disabilities. Cochlear implants are better than being deaf, but not as
good as normal
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
The principle is not the same. You cannot get a head transplant and assume
that the 'you'-ness is going to magically follow the scalpel into your head
from your body. You cannot get a prosthetic head, because without
On Saturday, September 29, 2012 2:42:56 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
The principle is not the same. You cannot get a head transplant and
assume
that the 'you'-ness is going to magically follow the
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
What test do you use to determine if it is still you after a certain
procedure?
You do half of the procedure, then walk them back off, then the other half
and walk them back off, then you do the whole procedure
On Saturday, September 29, 2012 9:42:52 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
What test do you use to determine if it is still you after a certain
procedure?
You do half of the procedure, then walk
On 9/27/2012 11:57 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Are you saying that you expect replacing someone's brain would be
no more problematic than replacing any other body part?
Craig
Hi Craig,
I kinda have to side with Stathis a bit here. The problem that
you are hinging
On Friday, September 28, 2012 2:44:32 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 9/27/2012 11:57 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Are you saying that you expect replacing someone's brain would be no
more problematic than replacing any other body part?
Craig
Hi Craig,
I kinda have to
Brent, I 'experienced' such situation in 1944 when the Nazi Gendarme's Pol.
Police arrested me on suspicion to be part of the underground anti-Nazis
(what was true). I made them 'believe' about being an at least 'neutral'
grad student so they asked questions before torture started. I was
Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
9/28/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Time: 2012-09-27, 23:28:27
Subject: Re: Forget Zombies, Let's Talk Torture
On Thursday
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Say that you have been captured by the [totalitarian fiend of your choice],
and are tied up in a basement somewhere. The torture has begun, and is has
become clear that it will continue to get worse until you 'become
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:40:14 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
Say that you have been captured by the [totalitarian fiend of your
choice],
and are tied up in a basement somewhere. The torture
On 9/27/2012 7:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
The perfect actor might believe it or he might just be acting. Acting
is top-down replacement, not bottom-up replacement. Bottom-up
replacement would involve replacing a part of your brain so that you
didn't notice any difference and
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Replacing body parts that break down with artificial ones is
well-established in the medical industry, and will become increasingly
so in future as the devices become more sophisticated.
Are you saying that you
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:05:20 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 9/27/2012 7:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
The perfect actor might believe it or he might just be acting. Acting
is top-down replacement, not bottom-up replacement. Bottom-up
replacement would involve replacing a part of
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:16:12 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
Replacing body parts that break down with artificial ones is
well-established in the medical industry, and will become
On 9/27/2012 10:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:40:14 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
Say that you have been captured by the [totalitarian fiend of
your choice],
On 9/27/2012 8:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:05:20 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 9/27/2012 7:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
The perfect actor might believe it or he might just be acting. Acting
is top-down replacement, not bottom-up
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:30:40 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 9/27/2012 10:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:40:14 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 12:55 AM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com
wrote:
Say that you have
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:56:58 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 9/27/2012 8:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:05:20 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 9/27/2012 7:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
The perfect actor might believe it or he might just be acting.
On 9/27/2012 9:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:56:58 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 9/27/2012 8:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:05:20 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 9/27/2012 7:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:56:58 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
Then I would say it's not distinct from 'being'. It is no longer a
choice, I'm going to act. motivated by some particular situation.
Brent
Think of it as an 'auto-pilot' functionality. Instead of getting a brain
On Friday, September 28, 2012 12:03:09 AM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 9/27/2012 9:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:56:58 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 9/27/2012 8:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, September 27, 2012 11:05:20 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
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