Re: Holiday Exercise

On 21 July 2016 at 07:29, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/20/2016 6:34 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, 20 July 2016, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/18/2016 11:25 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> >> On 19 July 2016 at

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > ​> ​ >> ​"THE FPI" comes from nothing because in a world with FPI duplicating >> machines ​ >> "THE FPI​" does not exist. >> > > ​> ​ > The FPI requires duplicating machines. > ​We haven't invented duplicating machines

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19 Jul 2016, at 18:29, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/18/2016 11:25 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 19 July 2016 at 04:00, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/18/2016 2:59 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 20 Jul 2016, at 23:44, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote There would be a discontinuity if you go into the teleporter in one city and get out in another, but there is also a discontinuity if you fall asleep on the

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On 20 Jul 2016, at 01:31, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​That's right Bruno, keep sweeping those foggy thoughts and fractured logic under the "he" colored personal pronoun rug. ​> ​No problem, ​If there really is no

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote There would be a discontinuity if you go into the teleporter in one city > and get out in another, but there is also a discontinuity if you fall > asleep on the train. ​Except at death conscious is always

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/20/2016 6:34 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wednesday, 20 July 2016, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/18/2016 11:25 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 19 July 2016 at 04:00, Brent Meeker

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Wednesday, 20 July 2016, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/18/2016 11:25 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On 19 July 2016 at 04:00, Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/18/2016 2:59 AM,

Re: Holiday Exercise

, and often led to reunification orders by the government (a monarchy!). Sent from AOL Mobile Mail -Original Message- From: Brent Meeker <meeke...@verizon.net> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 19, 2016 01:04 PM Subject: Re: Holi

Re: Holiday Exercise

-Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 19, 2016 11:43 AM Subject: Re: Holiday Exercise On 19 Jul 2016, at 13:47, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:The who argument here, is one of fission, pl

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​ >> That's right Bruno, keep sweeping those foggy thoughts and fractured >> logic under the "he" colored personal pronoun rug. > > > ​> ​ > No problem, ​If there really is no problem why does Bruno Marchal refuse to

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Russell Standish wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:51:32AM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > I have only come across two theories of personal identity that are > > consistent and void issues inherent to body-continuity and > >

Re: Holiday Exercise

In the fictional realm of art, where everything is a lie and the winning theory is the yummiest, all these things: cleopatra personhood intertwinedity river of thought are easily fusionated by some guy and girl playing Joni songs for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrBilBQ1C54

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/19/2016 5:18 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 9:47 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: The who argument here, is one of fission, plus, identity. But what of fusion. Let us say Biff, using magical teleportation technology, clones himself into 2 identical guys called Biff and

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/19/2016 12:28 AM, Bruce wrote: Abandoning the transitivity of identity is difficult in general because it is precisely that transitivity that gives us a reliable notion of the continuity of personhood through time. The things that might seem to violate transitivity in duplication (copies

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/18/2016 11:25 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 19 July 2016 at 04:00, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/18/2016 2:59 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett

Re: Holiday Exercise

-Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Tue, Jul 19, 2016 3:58 am Subject: Re: Holiday Exercise On 19 Jul 2016, at 09:41, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 19/07/2016 5:28 pm, Bruno Marchal

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19 Jul 2016, at 13:39, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 5:58 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jul 2016, at 09:41, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 5:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jul 2016, at 06:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 2:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jul 2016,

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19/07/2016 9:47 pm, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: The who argument here, is one of fission, plus, identity. But what of fusion. Let us say Biff, using magical teleportation technology, clones himself into 2 identical guys called Biff and Biff zips off to Moscow, Boff decides to shop

Re: Holiday Exercise

> Sent: Tue, Jul 19, 2016 3:58 am Subject: Re: Holiday Exercise On 19 Jul 2016, at 09:41, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 19/07/2016 5:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> On 19 Jul 2016, at 06:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On 19/07/2016 2:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>&g

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19/07/2016 5:58 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jul 2016, at 09:41, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 5:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jul 2016, at 06:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 2:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: As you say in

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19 Jul 2016, at 09:41, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 5:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jul 2016, at 06:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 2:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: As you say in another post, computationalism depends on the

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On 18 Jul 2016, at 23:38, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​The Helsinki guy now that he will survive, ​Only if there is a person or if there are persons who remember being the Helsinki guy. ​ No problem. ​> ​and that

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19/07/2016 5:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jul 2016, at 06:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 2:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: As you say in another post, computationalism depends on the breakdown of transitivity for personal identity: M

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19 Jul 2016, at 06:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 19/07/2016 2:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: As you say in another post, computationalism depends on the breakdown of transitivity for personal identity: M is the same as H; W is the same as H;

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19 July 2016 at 04:00, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/18/2016 2:59 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On 18/07/2016 5:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> On 18 July 2016 at 15:42,

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 19/07/2016 2:18 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: As you say in another post, computationalism depends on the breakdown of transitivity for personal identity: M is the same as H; W is the same as H; but M is not the same as W. Given this, you have all

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 08:51:32AM -0500, Jason Resch wrote: > > > I have only come across two theories of personal identity that are > consistent and void issues inherent to body-continuity and > psychological-continuity theories. The two consistent personal identity > theories I am aware of are

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016, Bruce Kellett wrote: > ​> ​ > You say that the person in Moscow is the same person as the person in > Helsinki, > ​Yes.​ > ​>​ > and that the person in Washington is also the same as the person in > Helsinki. > ​Yes.​ > ​> ​ > But also

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​ > The Helsinki guy now that he will survive, > ​Only if there is a person or if there are persons who remember being the Helsinki guy. ​ > ​> ​ > and that he cannot have the simultaneous first person experience >

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/18/2016 4:00 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Monday, 18 July 2016, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/07/2016 7:59 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/18/2016 2:59 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/07/2016 5:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 15:42, Brent Meeker

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 Jul 2016, at 07:42, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/17/2016 10:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The problems arise because each copy has memories of being the original and, because of the phenomenon of first person experience, feels that he is the one true copy persisting through time

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 16/07/2016 4:32 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jul 2016, at 03:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: that anything new actually happens. He could have started there and argued for the reversal of physics and computationalism directly. The duplication

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 Jul 2016, at 03:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 16/07/2016 4:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jul 2016, at 02:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 9:42 am, Jason Resch wrote: I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to both John-Washington, and John-Moscow. The

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 Jul 2016, at 07:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 18/07/2016 3:04 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 12:53, Bruce Kellett wrote: So in your duplication scenarios, the case in which the original is duplicated, but continues to exist, the closest

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 Jul 2016, at 04:53, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 16/07/2016 5:05 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jul 2016, at 04:00, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 12:38 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 02:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: There is no single 1p view -- there are three possible 1p

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > On 18 July 2016 at 12:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On 18/07/2016 12:10 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> On 18 July 2016 at 11:54, Bruce Kellett >>

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 17 Jul 2016, at 20:05, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/17/2016 7:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The duplicating machine cannot introduce a telepathic link which would be mandatory for having an experience of both cities at once, so that the candidate would write "I see W and M". That simply

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Monday, 18 July 2016, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 18/07/2016 9:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On Monday, 18 July 2016, Bruce Kellett < > > bhkell...@optusnet.com.au >

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18/07/2016 9:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Monday, 18 July 2016, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/07/2016 7:59 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Monday, 18 July 2016, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 18/07/2016 7:59 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On 18/07/2016 5:00 pm,

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18/07/2016 7:59 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/07/2016 5:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 15:42, Brent Meeker

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 July 2016 at 17:10, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 18/07/2016 5:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On 18 July 2016 at 15:42, Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 7/17/2016 10:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >>> The problems arise because

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18/07/2016 5:00 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 15:42, Brent Meeker > wrote: On 7/17/2016 10:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The problems arise because each copy has memories of being the original

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18/07/2016 3:40 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 15:16, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/07/2016 3:04 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 12:53, Bruce Kellett

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 July 2016 at 15:42, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/17/2016 10:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> The problems arise because each copy has memories of being the original >> and, because of the phenomenon of first person experience, feels that he is >> the one true

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/17/2016 10:04 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The problems arise because each copy has memories of being the original and, because of the phenomenon of first person experience, feels that he is the one true copy persisting through time How would it feel any different if he weren't? He

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 July 2016 at 15:16, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 18/07/2016 3:04 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On 18 July 2016 at 12:53, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > So in your duplication scenarios, the case in which the original is >> duplicated, but

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18/07/2016 3:04 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 12:53, Bruce Kellett > wrote: So in your duplication scenarios, the case in which the original is duplicated, but continues to exist, the closest continuer

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 July 2016 at 12:53, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 16/07/2016 5:05 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 15 Jul 2016, at 04:00, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On 15/07/2016 12:38 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 14 Jul 2016, at 02:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > > There is no single

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/17/2016 8:25 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 12:35, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/07/2016 12:10 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 11:54, Bruce Kellett

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18/07/2016 1:25 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 12:35, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 18/07/2016 12:10 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 11:54, Bruce Kellett

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 July 2016 at 12:35, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 18/07/2016 12:10 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > On 18 July 2016 at 11:54, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > I have said several times that probability is a problem for the Everettian >> or MWI

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 16/07/2016 5:05 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jul 2016, at 04:00, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 12:38 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 02:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: There is no single 1p view -- there are three possible 1p views in the triplication scenario. Right. The

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18/07/2016 12:10 pm, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 18 July 2016 at 11:54, Bruce Kellett > wrote: I have said several times that probability is a problem for the Everettian or MWI view. This is not a problem of defining a

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 18 July 2016 at 11:54, Bruce Kellett wrote: I have said several times that probability is a problem for the Everettian > or MWI view. This is not a problem of defining a measure over a possible > infinite number of worlds -- though that is certainly a problem that

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/17/2016 6:06 PM, PGC wrote: Assuming this sort of ontology the phenomenological multiplayer video game section of subjective machine experience requires that persistence via its own definition. Persistence, continuity in time, I understand. Without that you couldn't identify PGC of

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 16/07/2016 4:32 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jul 2016, at 03:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: that anything new actually happens. He could have started there and argued for the reversal of physics and computationalism directly. The duplication of persons is just a distracting irrelevance to the

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 16/07/2016 4:28 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jul 2016, at 02:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 9:42 am, Jason Resch wrote: I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to both John-Washington, and John-Moscow. The questionnaires each had 8 questions: 1. What city

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 8:05:59 PM UTC+2, Brent wrote: > > > > On 7/17/2016 7:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > The duplicating machine cannot introduce a telepathic link which would > > be mandatory for having an experience of both cities at once, so that > > the candidate would write "I

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/17/2016 7:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The duplicating machine cannot introduce a telepathic link which would be mandatory for having an experience of both cities at once, so that the candidate would write "I see W and M". That simply never happens, or computationalism is false. It's

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On 14 Jul 2016, at 21:49, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​​>>> ​The better prediction was "W v M and I have no clue which one". ​​>> ​The better prediction about WHAT? ​> ​About the first person experience ​There is no such

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 3:33 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 15/07/2016 8:31 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >>> >>> On 15/07/2016 11:03 am, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> Although I

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 15 Jul 2016, at 15:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 8:31 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 11:03 am, Brent Meeker wrote: Although I think JKC has a point about pronouns, I don't see what it

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 15 Jul 2016, at 04:00, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 12:38 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 02:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 13/07/2016 11:36 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2016, at 13:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/07/2016 9:31 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: Holiday

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 15 Jul 2016, at 03:19, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 11:03 am, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/14/2016 5:07 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 9:42 am, Jason Resch wrote: I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to both John-Washington, and John-Moscow. The

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 15 Jul 2016, at 02:07, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 9:42 am, Jason Resch wrote: I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to both John-Washington, and John-Moscow. The questionnaires each had 8 questions: 1. What city did you last recall being in? 2. How

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 14 Jul 2016, at 21:36, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/14/2016 7:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 02:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 13/07/2016 11:36 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2016, at 13:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/07/2016 9:31 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: Holiday

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On 15 Jul 2016, at 22:16, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: ​> ​I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to both John-Washington, and John-Moscow. The ​ ​ questionnaires each had 8 questions: ​1. What city

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 Brent Meeker wrote: > > ​> ​ > Although I think JKC has a point about pronouns, I don't see what it has > to do with Bruno's theory. He just proposes this as an illustration of > first-person-indetermancy as implicit in Everett's interpretation of QM.

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: ​> ​ >> I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to both >> John-Washington, and John-Moscow. The >> ​ ​ >> questionnaires each had 8 questions: > > ​1. What city did you last recall being in?

Re: Holiday Exercise

The bickering levels reach a fever pitch and the two teams haven't even reached consensus concerning their status as teams at all in the first place. Then there are the heretics that question not only the match but game theory as well. But the drug is too hard to resist: to bicker... once more...

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 15/07/2016 8:31 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 11:03 am, Brent Meeker wrote: Although I think JKC has a point about pronouns, I don't see what it has to do with Bruno's theory. He just proposes this

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 15/07/2016 11:03 am, Brent Meeker wrote: > > On 7/14/2016 5:07 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On 15/07/2016 9:42 am, Jason Resch wrote: > > I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to both >

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 15/07/2016 12:38 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 02:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 13/07/2016 11:36 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2016, at 13:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/07/2016 9:31 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: *Holiday Exercise:* A guy undergoes the Washington Moscow

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 15/07/2016 11:03 am, Brent Meeker wrote: On 7/14/2016 5:07 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 9:42 am, Jason Resch wrote: I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to both John-Washington, and John-Moscow. The questionnaires each had 8 questions: 1. What city

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/14/2016 5:07 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 15/07/2016 9:42 am, Jason Resch wrote: I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to both John-Washington, and John-Moscow. The questionnaires each had 8 questions: 1. What city did you last recall being in? 2. How many

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 15 July 2016 at 08:28, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 7/14/2016 2:25 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Thursday, 14 July 2016, Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On 13/07/2016 11:36 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> On 11 Jul 2016, at 13:49, Bruce

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 15/07/2016 9:42 am, Jason Resch wrote: I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to both John-Washington, and John-Moscow. The questionnaires each had 8 questions: 1. What city did you last recall being in? 2. How many cities do you see now? 3. What is the name of the

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

I printed the following "Duplicate Questionnaire" and gave one to both John-Washington, and John-Moscow. The questionnaires each had 8 questions: 1. What city did you last recall being in? 2. How many cities do you see now? 3. What is the name of the city you see before you? 4. True/False: You

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/14/2016 2:25 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thursday, 14 July 2016, Bruce Kellett > wrote: On 13/07/2016 11:36 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2016, at 13:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/07/2016 9:31 pm,

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Thursday, 14 July 2016, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 13/07/2016 11:36 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 11 Jul 2016, at 13:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On 11/07/2016 9:31 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > *Holiday Exercise:* > > A guy undergoes the Washington Moscow

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/14/2016 10:54 AM, John Clark wrote: How could anybody not be fine with that? What could me surviving into tomorrow mean other than at least one thing tomorrow remembers being me today? If more than one thing remembers then even better. I think that's probably a failure of imagination.

Re: Holiday Exercise

al Message- From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thu, Jul 14, 2016 01:54 PM Subject: Re: Holiday Exercise On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bruce Kellett <mailto:bhkell...@optusnet.com.au;>bhkell...@optusn

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​ > ​>>> ​ > The better prediction was "W v M and I have no clue which one". ​ > ​>> ​ > The better prediction about WHAT? > > ​> ​ > About the first person experience > ​There is no such thing as *THE* first person

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/14/2016 7:38 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jul 2016, at 02:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 13/07/2016 11:36 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2016, at 13:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/07/2016 9:31 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: *Holiday Exercise:* A guy undergoes the Washington Moscow

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > So you were duplicated yesterday? One, quite reasonable, way of > regarding our continuing existence from day to day, moment to moment, is > that in every instant we die, to be reborn in the next instant. Yes,

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 14 Jul 2016, at 02:11, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 13/07/2016 11:36 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2016, at 13:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/07/2016 9:31 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: Holiday Exercise: A guy undergoes the Washington Moscow duplication, starting again from Helsinki. Then

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On 14 Jul 2016, at 00:52, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​​Which turned out to be the better prediction, Moscow or Washington?​ And was the prediction about John Clark or was it about some mysterious figure named "you"?

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 7/13/2016 6:50 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 14/07/2016 11:40 am, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 14/07/2016 11:31 am, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 Bruce Kellett wrote: ​ > ​ Of course, as I said some time ago, the easiest resolution of you logical

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 14/07/2016 11:40 am, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 14/07/2016 11:31 am, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 Bruce Kellett wrote: ​ > ​ Of course, as I said some time ago, the easiest resolution of you logical conundrums is that JC ~ H does not survive,

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 14/07/2016 11:31 am, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 Bruce Kellett >wrote: ​ > ​ Of course, as I said some time ago, the easiest resolution of you logical conundrums is that JC ~ H does not survive, and that

Re: Holiday Exercise

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 Bruce Kellett wrote: ​> ​ > Of course, as I said some time ago, the easiest resolution of you logical > conundrums is that JC ~ H does not survive, and that there are three new > persons, one in each city, so the probability that JC in H will see

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 13/07/2016 11:36 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Jul 2016, at 13:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/07/2016 9:31 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: *Holiday Exercise:* A guy undergoes the Washington Moscow duplication, starting again from Helsinki. Then in Moscow, but not in Washington, he (the one in

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​ >> ​Which turned out to be the better prediction, Moscow or Washington?​ And >> was the prediction about John Clark or was it about some mysterious figure >> named "you"? > > > ​> ​ > The better prediction was "W v M

Re: Holiday Exercise (was: self (was Re: Aristotle the Nitwit

On 12 Jul 2016, at 00:15, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jul 11, 2016, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​​>> ​1) Each​ copy saw only one city. ​> ​Excellent! That is the correct 1-view description. Now, you just need to interview each copy about the prediction made in Helsinki and

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 11 Jul 2016, at 18:56, smitra wrote: On 11-07-2016 13:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/07/2016 9:31 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: HOLIDAY EXERCISE: A guy undergoes the Washington Moscow duplication, starting again from Helsinki. Then in Moscow, but not in Washington, he (the one in Moscow of

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 11 Jul 2016, at 13:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/07/2016 9:31 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: Holiday Exercise: A guy undergoes the Washington Moscow duplication, starting again from Helsinki. Then in Moscow, but not in Washington, he (the one in Moscow of course) undergoes a similar

Re: Holiday Exercise

On 12/07/2016 11:36 am, smitra wrote: On 12-07-2016 02:00, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 12/07/2016 2:56 am, smitra wrote: On 11-07-2016 13:49, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 11/07/2016 9:31 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: HOLIDAY EXERCISE: A guy undergoes the Washington Moscow duplication, starting again

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