Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-19 Thread Roger Clough
- From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-18, 10:09:00 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 9/18/2012 9:16 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King The supreme monad (God) does everything (God causes all to happen) while the monads, being entirely passive, can

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-18 Thread Roger Clough
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-17, 11:26:51 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 9/17/2012 8:08 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King Monads

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-17 Thread Roger Clough
that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-16, 15:12:07 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 16 Sep 2012, at 13:36, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal All love, all truth, all beauty necessarily

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-17 Thread Roger Clough
Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-16, 11:18:30 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 9/16/2012 8:31 AM, Roger Clough

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-17 Thread Roger Clough
have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-16, 11:34:14 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 9/16/2012 8:31 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King Not sure I

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-17 Thread Roger Clough
-16, 12:15:31 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 9/16/2012 8:45 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King My take on the meaning of knowledge of things unseen is knowledge of what is invisible at the moment. Hi Roger, I agree with this definition. It is equivalent

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-16 Thread Roger Clough
. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-15, 12:47:02 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 15 Sep 2012, at 13:08, Roger Clough wrote: Hi John Clark Theology was once called the queen of the sciences, but that was just

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-16 Thread Roger Clough
- From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-15, 13:15:26 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 9/15/2012 8:57 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King Faith is merely trust. I could have faith in a doorknob. But I wouldn't try faith in Satan. Even

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-16 Thread Roger Clough
the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-15, 13:15:26 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 9/15/2012 8:57 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King Faith is merely trust. I could have faith in a doorknob. But I wouldn't try faith

Re: Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-15 Thread Roger Clough
, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 15:32:05 Subject: Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers On Friday, September 14, 2012 7:10:17 AM UTC-4, rclough

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-15 Thread Roger Clough
-09-14, 11:16:57 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Theology is a science. It's a very strange science, it's a science that does not use the scientific method and, not surprisingly, a science that has discovered

Re: Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-15 Thread Roger Clough
function. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 11:27:35 Subject: Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers On Fri, Sep 14, 2012? Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Faith is ?o me at least a virtue since it is associated

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-15 Thread Roger Clough
-list Time: 2012-09-14, 12:11:35 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 9/14/2012 7:09 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Faith can be expressed as a belief, but faith itself is inner trust, confidence, etc. Faith Noun:Complete trust or confidence in someone or something. Strong

Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-14 Thread Roger Clough
Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/14/2012 Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 13:21:50 Subject: Re: Re: The poverty of computers

Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-14 Thread Roger Clough
no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 10:58:09 Subject: Re: Re: The poverty of computers On Thu, Sep 13, 2012? Roger Clough wrote: Theology is based

Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-14 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Faith is to me at least a virtue since it is associated with hope and love. Faith is believing in something when there is absolutely no reason for doing so; an optimist with faith would believe in things that fill him with hope

Re: Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
:* everything-list javascript: *Time:* 2012-09-13, 13:21:50 *Subject:* Re: Re: The poverty of computers On Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:43:39 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal The shared part of religion (or science) is called belief(s). They are exclusively in the fom

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-13 Thread Roger Clough
. - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-12, 12:47:12 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On Wed, Sep 12, 2012? Bruno Marchal wrote: ? makes a bridge between two fields, ? What two fields?? ? The study of the notion

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-13 Thread Roger Clough
: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-13, 08:33:44 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers Hi Roger, On 12 Sep 2012, at 14:08, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Applying science to religion can be no more successful than applying science to poetry. Both poetry

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-13 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: Theology is based on faith I understand that theology is based on faith, what I don't understand is why faith is supposed to be a virtue. and moral practice. Then why is the history of religion a list of one atrocity after

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:43:39 AM UTC-4, rclough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal The shared part of religion (or science) is called belief(s). They are exclusively in the fom of words. For example words from the Bible, and the Creeds. The personal or private part of

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-13 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:58:10 AM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 Roger Clough rcl...@verizon.net javascript:wrote: Theology is based on faith I understand that theology is based on faith, what I don't understand is why faith is supposed to be a virtue. I'm

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
-11, 12:36:24 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: ? God = truth Certain statements can fool people into thinking they have made a profound discovery when they have not, they probably work so well because people often

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Clough
Leibniz would say, If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function. - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-12, 05:26:53 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 11 Sep 2012, at 18:42, John Clark wrote

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Clough
- From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-10, 15:54:00 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 9/10/2012 12:45 PM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: A better question to John would be: explain where consciousness and universes

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-10 Thread John Mikes
Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com *Receiver:* everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com *Time:* 2012-09-09, 10:37:05 *Subject:* Re: The poverty of computers On Sat, Sep 8, 2012� Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: You call yourself an atheist, I do, but that's only because I also have

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-09 Thread Roger Clough
content - From: Jason Resch Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-08, 16:24:35 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 2:58 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 9/8/2012 10:17 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, John Clark johnkcl

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-08 Thread Roger Clough
: Re: The poverty of computers Hi Roger, Brains some years ago had no intellectual or feeling facilities too. It came by evolution. Roberto Szabo 2012/9/7 Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net Hi Stephen P. King ? No, machines, even computers,?MHO in practice have no intellectual or feeling

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-08 Thread Roger Clough
: everything-list Time: 2012-09-08, 05:35:00 Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 07 Sep 2012, at 19:12, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Sep 7 2012, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote: machines, even computers, IMHO in practice have no intellectual or feeling facilities, are no more than

Re: Re: The poverty of computers

2012-09-08 Thread Roger Clough
Subject: Re: The poverty of computers On 08 Sep 2012, at 06:19, meekerdb wrote: On 9/7/2012 8:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Platonism (or mathematical realism) is the majority viewpoint of modern mathematicians. In a survey of mathematicians I know it is an even division. Of course