On 19 Apr 2013, at 17:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:49:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 18 Apr 2013, at 14:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:42:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1
Hi John,
On 19 Apr 2013, at 17:59, John Mikes wrote:
Craig - John - this is to the hard-to-identify last part of your
combined and mixed post signed by John K C. about the
'consciousness' ("C") part.
I know that intelligence is a requirement of consciousness, just
identify intelligence ap
On 19 Apr 2013, at 19:08, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Bruno Marchal
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> A deterministic reality
We don't know that reality is deterministic and in fact right now
the overwhelming evidence very strongly suggests that it is not.
Everett restores determinacy in ph
On 19 Apr 2013, at 20:36, smi...@zonnet.nl wrote:
Citeren John Clark :
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Roger Clough
wrote:\
"After the Boston bombings, what I'd like to see is a Moslem Peace
March.
A tbhousand man moslem peace march."
I would much rather see a thousand Muslims wis
On 19 Apr 2013, at 19:52, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:59:34 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 18 Apr 2013, at 22:05, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, April 18, 2013 1:29:29 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 4/18/2013 8:15 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 meeke
On 19 Apr 2013, at 22:39, Terren Suydam wrote:
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:46 PM, Craig Weinberg
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On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:49:17 AM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote:
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg
wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:05:28 AM UTC-4, Terren Su
That is absolutely wrong, and it is a religious statement of a devote
atheist
According with the "traditional" Doxatic definition of religion, Weinberg
is a non religious person that say that the Russian, chinesse Marxists, for
example, were all people born perverse by nature, suppossedly by mean
Agnosticism IMHO is another belief that is genuinely modern, with Atheism.
Both are escapes from reality. The atheist denies God not for God itself,
but for what implies a creation and an order. In denying God, the atheist
is denying the current order of things. It is absurd to spend time denying
s
On 20 Apr 2013, at 02:31, John Clark wrote:
The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that nobody
has clearly explained exactly what the problem is or what the answer
is expected to do.
The hard problem is only the antic mind-body problem, and what you say
is that you don't
On 20 Apr 2013, at 05:26, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/19/2013 5:31 PM, John Clark wrote:
The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that nobody
has clearly explained exactly what the problem is or what the
answer is expected to do.
I'm not so sure of the problem, but I'm pretty sure
On Friday, April 19, 2013 11:46:25 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:15:17 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Saturday, April 20, 2013 5:18:01 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Saturday, April 20, 2013 4:34:15 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:46:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On 4/20/2013 1:34 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
That is absolutely wrong, and it is a religious statement of a devote atheist
According with the "traditional" Doxatic definition of religion, Weinberg is a non
religious person that say that the Russian, chinesse Marxists, for example, were
all p
On 4/20/2013 1:55 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
Agnosticism IMHO is another belief that is genuinely modern, with Atheism. Both are
escapes from reality. The atheist denies God not for God itself, but for what implies a
creation and an order. In denying God, the atheist is denying the current ord
On 4/20/2013 2:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Apr 2013, at 05:26, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/19/2013 5:31 PM, John Clark wrote:
The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that nobody has clearly
explained exactly what the problem is or what the answer is expected to do.
I'm not so
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote:
> > We don't know that reality is deterministic and in fact right now the
> overwhelming evidence very strongly suggests that it is not.
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Yes, but although I like Everett I don't know for a fact that he
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 4:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would
>> have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But
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On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that nobody has
> clearly explained exactly what the problem is or what the answer is
> expected to do.
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> > The hard problem is only the antic mind-body problem, and what you say
> is
On 20 Apr 2013, at 17:56, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/20/2013 2:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Apr 2013, at 05:26, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/19/2013 5:31 PM, John Clark wrote:
The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that nobody
has clearly explained exactly what the problem is or w
On 20 Apr 2013, at 18:43, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 Bruno Marchal wrote:
> We don't know that reality is deterministic and in fact right now
the overwhelming evidence very strongly suggests that it is not.
> Everett restores determinacy in physics.
Yes, but although I like E
On 20 Apr 2013, at 19:12, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 4:05 AM, Bruno Marchal
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>> "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you
would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil
things. But for good people to do evil things, that ta
I am reading now Beyond Mechanism: Putting Life back into Biology. In
Foreword: Evolution beyond Newton, Darwin, and Entailing Law, Stuart A.
Kauffman writes:
p. 9 "Here is the first 'strange' step. Can you name all the uses of a
screwdriver, alone, or with other objects or process? Well, scre
Brent and Bruno:
*Brent* I love you for your scientific self-consciousness:
*"I'm not so sure of the problem, but I'm pretty sure of the solution."*
That's the 'end' of all. Religions like it.
Here is what I see as the (hard problem) problem: people like to think in
the mind-body restriction, as B
On 20 Apr 2013, at 19:49, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Bruno Marchal
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>> The reason nobody has a answer to the hard problem is that
nobody has clearly explained exactly what the problem is or what
the answer is expected to do.
> The hard problem is only the
Evgeniy: although I had my disagreements with Stuart dating back to prior
to the 1997 Nashua Conference, I have to agree here.
Turing was a great mind, his ideas leading to our (embryonic, binary)
computing machine are great, it is not the ultimate word.
I wonder how much Bruno's (Loeb's) universal
On 20 Apr 2013, at 19:15, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Craig Weinberg
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On Saturday, April 20, 2013 3:46:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 19 Apr 2013, at 17:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, April 19, 2013 9:49:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marc
On 4/20/2013 12:16 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Then a majority of atheist believes in Matter. That has been introduced as an hypothesis
by Aristotle (although he appears to be unclear in some passage),
I don't know why you keep attributing the belief in matter to Aristotle? First, belief in
ma
On Saturday, April 20, 2013 2:51:23 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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On Saturday, April 20, 2013 1:15:02 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
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On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 10:32 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Telmo Menezes
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On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 02:09:28PM -0400, John Clark wrote:
> No because in a sexually reproducing animal the genes that make the error
> correcting machinery are inherited independently of the very genes that
> they have corrected, and the vast majority of mutations are detrimental not
> helpful.
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