On 31 Oct 2013, at 17:58, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/31/2013 3:55 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
I believe there's an important aspect of this type of discussion that
is rarely considered. This sort of thing takes almost a religious
tone
where we are supposed to feel guilty. I'm very suspicious of
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:54 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
this distracts from the question asked, which concerns the first person
pov, from the first person pov. That is the first person experience. [...]
On 31 Oct 2013, at 18:54, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
this distracts from the question asked, which concerns the first
person pov, from the first person pov. That is the first person
experience. [...] Comp accepts that
Jesse how much oil is embedded in European renewables? Calculate the energy
budget along the entire pipeline form the original mining of raw materials
all the way through final disposal of obsolete windmills/panels etc. How
much of this energy is fossil in nature?
Believe me I am all for
On 31 Oct 2013, at 19:29, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, October 31, 2013 12:06:52 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 30 Oct 2013, at 18:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:52:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Oct 2013, at 19:15, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On 31 Oct 2013, at 19:34, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno: It is the Indra net of universal numbers reflecting
themselves which exists as consequences of the laws of addition or
multiplication.
Richard: Very Platonic and that is perhaps what programs the
Metaverse number net.
But from my
On 31 Oct 2013, at 20:49, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux
allco...@gmail.com wrote:
As I said before there is a profound difference between the two.
After Everett's thought experiment is over only ONE person is seen
by a third party so it's easy to
On 31 Oct 2013, at 22:01, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 5:58 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 10/31/2013 3:55 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
I believe there's an important aspect of this type of discussion
that
is rarely considered. This sort of thing takes almost a
On 01 Nov 2013, at 02:51, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com
wrote:
A) The test described where the simulation process forks 8 times
and 256 copies are created and they each see a different pattern of
the ball changing color
Come on Craig, admit you wrote that. It's the last paragraph that is the
dead give-away.
On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 4:07:59 PM UTC+11, Craig Weinberg wrote:
A Quora answer to the following question. Nothing new for me here
probably, but It's maybe organized in a more concise way.
On 01 Nov 2013, at 07:04, LizR wrote:
So, has step 3 gone from that's absurd to everyone knows that ?!
Since more than one or two years, John Clark oscillates between
obvious non sense to obvious, period.
We might hope than in his obvious, period phase, he might go to the
next step,
Le 1 nov. 2013 00:39, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com a écrit :
John, you are not the first that Quentin has categorized as a roger or
stephen lin. Richard
What does suggest that the universe is finite in the fact that we've found
a fully formed galaxy 700 millions years after the big bang?
Bruno: No problem, Richard. But then UDA shows that our bodies are not
machines. You better have to say no to the doctor.
Richard: Indeed I would. But I wonder how UDA shows that our bodies are not
machines. What else could they be?
Bruno: Then, physics first, or its idealist counterpart sense
Intuition
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
Le 1 nov. 2013 00:39, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com a écrit :
John, you are not the first that Quentin has categorized as a roger or
stephen lin. Richard
What does suggest that the universe is
OK... but then you shouldn't have use that as an argument... I respect
intuition, I don't respect using that as an argument.
Quentin
2013/11/1 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com
Intuition
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:17 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote:
Le 1 nov. 2013 00:39,
2013/11/1 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com
OK. I should have said suggests intuitively: or intuitively suggests
rather than merely suggests that the universe is finite. However, your
insult of categorizing me with roger and stephen lin is unmerited.
Yes.
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM,
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
OK. I should have said suggests intuitively: or intuitively suggests
rather than merely suggests that the universe is finite. However, your
insult of categorizing me with roger and stephen lin is unmerited.
And now you
2013/11/1 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com
wrote:
OK. I should have said suggests intuitively: or intuitively suggests
rather than merely suggests that the universe is finite. However, your
insult of categorizing me
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote:
2013/11/1 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com
wrote:
OK. I should have said suggests intuitively: or intuitively suggests
rather than merely
Telmo, Do you think Quentin should be banned for bullying?
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com
wrote:
2013/11/1 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at
2013/11/1 Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com
Telmo, Do you think Quentin should be banned for bullying?
I did not bully you, I asked several times the same question, firstly
gently, and you mocked me, secondly, you mocked the proves/suggest, then
you said fuck you (I said for fuck sake before,
When some bully oversteps the line of decency, then by default any
discussion ceases to be rational. Then we are left with the choice to let
it be or denounce the crossing of our personalized line.
With regards to this infinite back and forth, all the insults and
cul-de-sac arguments, with zero
On 01 Nov 2013, at 11:19, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Bruno: No problem, Richard. But then UDA shows that our bodies are
not machines. You better have to say no to the doctor.
Richard: Indeed I would.
OK. That is clear, and makes your work coherent with respect to comp.
But I wonder how UDA
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
Telmo, Do you think Quentin should be banned for bullying?
I don't think that anyone should be banned. We are all grown ups and
it's not that hard to set up an email filter.
I do think that it's depressing when people start
On 01 Nov 2013, at 08:06, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 6:54 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
this distracts from the question asked, which concerns the first
person
pov, from the first
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:04 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
So, has step 3 gone from that's absurd to everyone knows that ?!
Yes that is the situation right now, but with backpedaling and additional
caveats and restrictions made by Bruno and other members of this list that
I expect to hear
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 11:40 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:04 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
So, has step 3 gone from that's absurd to everyone knows that ?!
Yes that is the situation right now, but with backpedaling and additional
caveats and
2013/11/1 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:04 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
So, has step 3 gone from that's absurd to everyone knows that ?!
Yes that is the situation right now, but with backpedaling and additional
caveats and restrictions made by Bruno and
On 01 Nov 2013, at 15:17, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
When some bully oversteps the line of decency, then by default any
discussion ceases to be rational. Then we are left with the choice
to let it be or denounce the crossing of our personalized line.
With regards to this infinite back
On 11/1/2013 12:15 AM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Jesse how much oil is embedded in European renewables? Calculate the energy budget along
the entire pipeline form the original mining of raw materials all the way through final
disposal of obsolete windmills/panels etc. How much of this energy is
On 11/1/2013 12:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Brent
It does not matter now that in a million years nothing we do now will
matter.
--- Thomas Nagel
Nice!
What we will do now can matter a lot in our normal futures in a millions years.
What we do now might still matter in a million years.
Liz,
On 01 Nov 2013, at 17:40, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 2:04 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
So, has step 3 gone from that's absurd to everyone knows that ?!
Yes that is the situation right now, but with backpedaling and
additional caveats and restrictions made by Bruno
I am definitely slow compared to most of the members of this list.
Although I have a 1966 PhD in physics from Harvard,
my major was in electromagnetic theory,
and after graduation, studied radar scattering and laser propagation,
which are 19th century subjects even though the technology is 20th
liz wrote (Oct. 24) to Craig:
*What are inorganic atoms? Or rather (since I suspect all atoms are
inorganic), what are organic atoms?*
*
*
What are 'atoms'?
(IMO models of our ignorance (oops: knowledge) about a portion of the
unknowable infinite explained during the latest some centuries of human
On 11/1/2013 1:20 PM, John Mikes wrote:
liz wrote (Oct. 24) to Craig:
*/What are inorganic atoms? Or rather (since I suspect all atoms are inorganic), what
are organic atoms?/*
*/
/*
What are 'atoms'?
(IMO models of our ignorance (oops: knowledge) about a portion of the unknowable
infinite
On Friday, November 1, 2013 4:20:45 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote:
liz wrote (Oct. 24) to Craig:
*What are inorganic atoms? Or rather (since I suspect all atoms are
inorganic), what are organic atoms?*
*
*
What are 'atoms'?
(IMO models of our ignorance (oops: knowledge) about a portion of the
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:06 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote
The diary is useless because the diary was written by you and contains
predictions about the further adventures of you, but now there are 2 (or
more) people with the title you ...
..., but now there are 2 (or more)
2013/11/1 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:06 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote
The diary is useless because the diary was written by you and
contains predictions about the further adventures of you, but now there
are 2 (or more) people with the title you
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Jesse how much oil is
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On Friday, November 1, 2013 4:20:45 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote:
Wow, dogs might have emotions? What will they think of next? I suppose
they'll do MRIs on autistic people to demonstrate the possibility that they
have feelings too. There's got to be a Nobel in that. Mind you, where will
it all end? First dogs, then maybe mice will feel things too, and we'll
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By the way, personally, I thank you for – at substantial personal cost --
blowing the whistle on this 1980s MIC gravy train. A world without
whistleblowers is – IMO the kind of place Torquemada would feel right at
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