Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:08 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 12:53:45 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 5:43 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 12:28:19 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 5:19 PM

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 12:53:45 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 5:43 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > >> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 12:28:19 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 5:19 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >>> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 5:43 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 12:28:19 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 5:19 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 12:00:18 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:51 PM

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 12:28:19 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 5:19 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > >> On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 12:00:18 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:51 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 5:19 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 12:00:18 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:51 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 11:39:43 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:53 PM

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 12:00:18 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:51 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > >> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 11:39:43 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:53 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:51 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 11:39:43 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:53 PM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:28:39 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, December 4, 2018

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 11:39:43 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:53 PM Philip Thrift > wrote: > >> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:28:39 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 3:45:32 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: On Wed, Dec 5,

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:53 PM Philip Thrift wrote: > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:28:39 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 3:45:32 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:58 AM Philip Thrift wrote: >>> On Tuesday, December 4,

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:28:39 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 3:45:32 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:58 AM Philip Thrift wrote: >> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:53:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:40:36 PM UTC-6, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 4:50:22 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/4/2018 11:50 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:46:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 4:50:22 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/4/2018 11:50 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:46:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/4/2018 12:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> Can you give an example of "truth in the

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 3:45:32 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:58 AM Philip Thrift > wrote: > >> >> On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:53:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 12/4/2018 12:25 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> 1. Histories originate at an

Re: Extended Wigner’s Friend

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 2:09:06 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/4/2018 1:02 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > Fay Dowker [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fay_Dowker ] gives a short > > summary of "sum over histories" here (and why she prefers it to other > > interpretations). > >

Re: The most accurate clock ever

Brent Meeker wrote: > * finding the value of G depends on scaling the result by that ratio of > masses (1.37e25 lbm/348 lbm). * > The mass of the Earth played no part in Cavendish's determination of G because he was measuring gravitational attraction in a direction that was parallel to the

LIGO just announced 4 more Black Hole collisions

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Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On 12/4/2018 11:50 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:46:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 12/4/2018 12:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: Can you give an example of "truth in the programming" and how it differs from the mathematical idea of true and the

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 2:36 AM wrote: > > *Thanks, but I'm looking for a solution within the context of interference > and coherence, without introducing your theory of consciousness. Mainstream > thinking today is that decoherence does occur, but this seems to imply > preexisting coherence, and

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:58 AM Philip Thrift wrote: > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:53:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 12/4/2018 12:25 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> 1. Histories originate at an emitter e and end at screen locations s on a >> screen S. >> 2. At each s there is a

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

> Il 4 dicembre 2018 alle 16.36 agrayson2...@gmail.com ha scritto: > > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:13:38 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:57, agrays...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: The most accurate clock ever

On 12/4/2018 6:28 AM, John Clark wrote:  Brent Meekerwrote: /> Neither does a cesium clock measure the change in strength of 2 large gravitational fields.  It measures the difference in gravitational potential. / Same thing, a gravitational field describes the gravitational

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On 12/4/2018 3:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: … where Omnès added “time to be irrational” ... 1. Histories originate at an emitter e and end at screen locations s on a screen S. 2. At each s there is a history bundle histories(s). A weight w(s) is computed from the bundle by summing the

Re: Extended Wigner’s Friend

On 12/4/2018 1:02 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: Fay Dowker [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fay_Dowker ] gives a short summary of "sum over histories" here (and why she prefers it to other interpretations). [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj79kr6ekrI ] She says she prefers it to Copenhagen

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:53:15 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/4/2018 12:25 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 9:00:26 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/3/2018 8:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 3 Dec 2018, at 10:35, Philip Thrift wrote:

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On 12/4/2018 12:25 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 9:00:26 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 12/3/2018 8:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 3 Dec 2018, at 10:35, Philip Thrift > wrote: On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:17:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote:

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 1:46:44 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/4/2018 12:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > Can you give an example of "truth in the programming" and how it differs >> from the mathematical idea of true and the correspondence theory of truth? >> >> Brent >> > > > >

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On 12/4/2018 12:06 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: Can you give an example of "truth in the programming" and how it differs from the mathematical idea of true and the correspondence theory of truth? Brent Truth in programming follows the Brouwerian concept of truth: [ 

Fwd: tricolor consciousness compression

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Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 6:05 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >* It is very simple. Never claim to have the truth, and always present a > theory having verifiable consequences.* > Your theory is a working Turing Machine can be made without using matter or physics, so don't show me more squiggles, show me

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 6:37:01 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 4 Dec 2018, at 11:39, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 4:25:37 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 3 Dec 2018, at 23:01, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 10:13:38 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:57, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 1:05:26 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 7:39:14 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com

Re: The most accurate clock ever

Given the Earth has a liquid core, is there any chance that turbulence in the core would move the center of gravity around by some minute amount, but large enough to throw off measurements of such tiny differences? On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 9:29 AM John Clark wrote: > In yesterday's issue of the

Re: The most accurate clock ever

Brent Meeker wrote: *> Neither does a cesium clock measure the change in strength of 2 large > gravitational fields. It measures the difference in gravitational > potential. * Same thing, a gravitational field describes the gravitational potential at every point. *> **So I compared the

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 11:39, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 4:25:37 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Dec 2018, at 23:01, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 1:24:30 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 2 Dec 2018,

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 09:25, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 9:00:26 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 12/3/2018 8:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 3 Dec 2018, at 10:35, Philip Thrift > >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:17:54 PM

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 09:06, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 7:46:22 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 12/3/2018 9:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> But that is close to the solipsist move. The fact that we cannot define >> truth does not entail that some notion of

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 03:30, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/3/2018 7:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 2 Dec 2018, at 21:06, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/2/2018 4:52 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Language have no relation with truth a priori. Theories might have.

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 02:46, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/3/2018 9:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> But that is close to the solipsist move. The fact that we cannot define >> truth does not entail that some notion of truth does not make sense. In >> particular, Peano arithmetic can already

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Tuesday, December 4, 2018 at 4:25:37 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Dec 2018, at 23:01, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 1:24:30 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 2 Dec 2018, at 13:24, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 2,

Re: Extended Wigner’s Friend

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 06:07, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/3/2018 5:47 PM, Mason Green wrote: >> Here’s a recent editorial I found in the magazine arguing against >> Many-Worlds on the grounds that it denies the reality of experience or the >> self. >>

Re: Extended Wigner’s Friend

> On 4 Dec 2018, at 03:24, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 at 12:47, Mason Green > wrote: > Here’s a recent editorial I found in the magazine arguing against Many-Worlds > on the grounds that it denies the reality of experience or the

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

> On 3 Dec 2018, at 23:01, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 1:24:30 PM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 2 Dec 2018, at 13:24, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 5:23:15 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 29 Nov 2018,

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

> On 3 Dec 2018, at 20:57, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, November 18, 2018 at 1:05:26 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 7:39:14 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com <> > wrote: > If you write a superposition as a sum of eigenstates, why is

Re: If Quantum Mechanics can be derived using arithmetic only, how would that derivation begin?

> On 3 Dec 2018, at 16:02, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 2:42:26 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 2 Dec 2018, at 15:00, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 12:11:50 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 30 Nov

Re: Extended Wigner’s Friend

On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 7:47:02 PM UTC-6, Mason Green wrote: > > Here’s a recent editorial I found in the magazine arguing against > Many-Worlds on the grounds that it denies the reality of experience or the > self. ( >

Re: Measuring a system in a superposition of states vs in a mixed state

On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 9:00:26 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/3/2018 8:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Dec 2018, at 10:35, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, December 2, 2018 at 8:17:54 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 12/2/2018 5:14 PM, Philip Thrift wrote:

Re: Where Max Tegmark is really wrong

On Monday, December 3, 2018 at 7:46:22 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > > On 12/3/2018 9:59 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > But that is close to the solipsist move. The fact that we cannot define >> truth does not entail that some notion of truth does not make sense. In >> particular, Peano