On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 01:35:10AM -0400, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Is not the SSA “the idea that you should reason as if you were a
random sample form the set of all observers .
Yes.
I do seem to be rehashing some of Mallah’s argument
(http://www.higgo.com/qti/Mallah.htm ) but even in
On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 01:22:23AM -0400, Stephen Paul King wrote:
My point is that “the whole human history timeline” assumes the Newtonian
(Laplacean Demon) idea that all events are observable by some hypothetical
entity that is exterior to the universe (aka God). Do I need to knock
Hi Russell,
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Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis
On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 01:22:23AM -0400, Stephen Paul King wrote:
My point is that “the whole human history timeline” assumes the
Hi Russell,
From: Russell Standish
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 3:32 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis
On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 01:35:10AM -0400, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Is not the SSA “the idea that you should reason as if you were
On 09 May 2011, at 05:58, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/8/2011 7:53 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
I think that the ‘Surprise 20 Questions’ idea that John Wheeler
considered in his famous ‘It from Bit’ paper might be more
appropriate. Any OM that is a possible continuance of another OM
must
On 09 May 2011, at 04:53, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi Russell,
Did you see the rest of that post?
How does my sketch (replicated here) work out as a probability?
“ My parents lived in a certain area when this body that I
associate with was born, their respective parents lived
On 07 May 2011, at 19:36, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/7/2011 8:19 AM, John Mikes wrote:
Thanks, Russell,
I am gladly standing corrected about our fellow smart animals.
HOWEVER:
We speak about a self-awareness as we, humans identify it in our
human terms and views.
Maybe other animals have
On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 03:44:48AM -0400, Stephen Paul King wrote:
But surely you can see that this “linear human history” is one
that can only be defined from the assumption that “all human history”
can be determined. That’s the rub, it assumes the ability to know
something that requires the
Hi Bruno,
Could you elaborate more on your statement? One reason that the world is
not thought to be Newtonian is that in a Newtonian universe our atoms would not
be stable. Max Planck was driven to postulate his constant because Newtonian
physics predicts an ultraviolet catastrophe for
Dear Bruno,
But this is problematic since dreams are 3p describable by the diary
method, in that I usually have some memory of what I was dreaming once I awake
that I can encode in using symbols for communications to others. It could be
that the reported difficulty of becoming aware of the
Hi Russell,
Could you point me toward some discussion of the method to relativize the
argument?
Onward!
Stephen
From: Russell Standish
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:35 AM
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On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 03:44:48AM
On 09 May 2011, at 13:35, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Dear Bruno,
But this is problematic since dreams are 3p describable by the
diary method,
A part of it only. You can write I am conscious, but that is not a
communication, at least in the strong sense of persuading some others.
Hi Bruno,
From: Bruno Marchal
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:57 AM
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Against the Doomsday hypothesis
On 09 May 2011, at 13:35, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Dear Bruno,
But this is problematic since dreams are 3p describable by the diary
On 09 May 2011, at 13:20, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi Bruno,
Could you elaborate more on your statement? One reason that the
world is not thought to be Newtonian is that in a Newtonian universe
our atoms would not be stable. Max Planck was driven to postulate
his constant because
On 5/8/2011 10:22 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi Bent,
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On 5/8/2011 9:19 PM, Stephen
On 5/9/2011 5:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
in that I usually have some memory of what I was dreaming once I
awake that I can encode in using symbols for communications to
others. It could be that the reported difficulty of becoming aware of
the truth that one is dreaming, while one is in fact
On 5/9/2011 1:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 May 2011, at 19:36, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/7/2011 8:19 AM, John Mikes wrote:
Thanks, Russell,
I am gladly standing corrected about our fellow smart animals.
HOWEVER:
We speak about a self-awareness as we, humans identify it in our
human terms
On 09 May 2011, at 18:21, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/9/2011 5:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
in that I usually have some memory of what I was dreaming once I
awake that I can encode in using symbols for communications to
others. It could be that the reported difficulty of becoming aware
of the
On 09 May 2011, at 18:57, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/9/2011 1:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 May 2011, at 19:36, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/7/2011 8:19 AM, John Mikes wrote:
Thanks, Russell,
I am gladly standing corrected about our fellow smart animals.
HOWEVER:
We speak about a self-awareness as
On 5/9/2011 11:00 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 09 May 2011, at 18:57, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/9/2011 1:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 07 May 2011, at 19:36, meekerdb wrote:
On 5/7/2011 8:19 AM, John Mikes wrote:
Thanks, Russell,
I am gladly standing corrected about our fellow smart animals.
A stimulating discussion, indeed. I side with Brent in most of his remarks
and question SOME of Bruno's in my 'unfounded' agnostic worldview of 'some'
complexity of unrestricted everything - beyond our capabilities to grasp.
Which IMO does not agree with Bruno's
* I don't think this hard
On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 09:17:38AM -0700, meekerdb wrote:
Having an experience includes experiencing duration and sequence.
Russell posited that the OM could be defined as the “state of a
machine” in
http://www.mail-archive.com/everything-list@googlegroups.com/msg14307.html
Why would
You could try looking at the everything list thread Causation,
indexical facts self sampling from the 1999, which raised issues to
do with the SSA and MWI. But its not discussed
in detail, (or at least there's less detail there than I remember :).
Nick Bostrom's thesis discusses some of the
Hi Brent,
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On 5/8/2011 10:22 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi Bent,
From: meekerdb
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:31 AM
To:
Hi Russell,
Right! The OM would be the lower bound on a duration spanning any
experience.
Onward!
Stephen
From: Russell Standish
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On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 09:17:38AM
On 5/9/2011 3:22 PM, Stephen Paul King wrote:
Hi Brent,
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On 5/8/2011 10:22 PM, Stephen
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